Not to disclose who our donors are. If donors want to disclose it thats fine. Host in the markets that you do receive none from, if not from the energy, what other areas in the broad sense . Guest very Broad Spectrum of individuals across the country. Around the world. Host what was your organization positions o. The paris climate agreement and the president s decision to move out of it . Guest we have pushed since the Paris Agreement, came over the horizon that it it was a treaty. It was a treaty from day one. But they are describing it as not a treaty just an executive agreement. Our position has been that the president acceptance of the treaty, sending a letter saying, i accept were now a member, was invalid because every other country went through normal, and legal constitutional procedure. Every other country called it radicalization. Japan called it acceptance. They accepted the underlying treaty on Climate Change. Our view starting in 2015 is the senate needs to take this up and have a vote on it. What we see now is what can be done by executive fiat and by truth president President Trump. President obama made a gamble they can get away with this. It would be a democrat elected and republican like george w. Bush who would say well, if i just ignore it it will go away. Unfortunately, for president obamas gamble, it failed for him. Unfortunately. President trump has said, im going to undo this. Host this is a headline they applied to you and your organization. They said the man behind the decision to pull out the paris climate agreement. Is that true . Guest no. President trump made a number of Campaign Commitments during the campaign. Theyre pretty clear. Theyre not based on long policy papers where you qualify everything and try to fudge the issue. He gave a number of policies speeches starting on may 26th last year in bismarck, north dakota. Thatches his that was his energy and environment speech. He would cancel the paris climate agreement and get rid of president obamas climate agenda which was implemented by regulation and executive ordering and without congress. He promiseup promise he promised that. The key to the decision hes keeping his promises. Host the organization put out an ad showing promises he made. Guest yes we did. That ad was meant to remind the people in the white house and the president , how emphatic his promise was and how important it was. Host before the transition, how a role when it came to the Environmental Protection agency and the transition there. Guest he was the leader of the epa team. Host is it previous access that you had, did you have any of that directly tell the president basically nudging them or reminding them in a manner to pull out this agreement . Guest my work in the transition is confidential. I can tell you that basically it was the charge given to us by the transition leaders was figure out how to implement the president s Campaign Promises. His Campaign Promises have to be very close to the goals of the organization. I work for cei, which is a deregulatory agenda. If we can get some of these obstacles to out of the way, we can get resource and manufacturing going in the heartland of america. Yes, i know some of these people and yes i have talked to some of them. Until i went to the rose garden on thursday to watch the president speech i had never seen him live before. Thats how far i am down the totem pole. Host no conversations leading up to the pull out itself and at least give your thought on that . Guest most what we did to try to influence the white house is was public. My colleagues published a long very detailed policy paper. Which went into the legal arguments carefully. We did this television ad. We had a joint letter which cei organized which was signed by 44 nonprofit groups. Free market conservative groups that said please mr. President , we support you in keeping your promise to withdraw from the paris climate treaty. Most of what we did was public. I think thats what was affected. Host heres the phone line, for democrats 2027488000 for republicans rep 2027488001 for anyone for independents 2027488002. What was wrong with the Paris Agreement . Guest the Paris Agreement is a promise by the United States to cut our emissions Greenhouse Gas emissions by 26 to 28 below 2005 level by 2025. The executive actions and the regulatory action that president obama under took without congress would get us about half way there. President trump is undoing most of those actions. Were a long ways away from meeting our commitment. The people who wanted us to stay in said well, its just voluntary. You dont have to do it. Its a commitment of the United States. Typically International Commitments can be litigated in federal court by private citizens saying, the United States is not living up to its commitment. The second thing is, that the paris treaty, is perpetual. Every five years each party is supposed to make a new commitment. By staying in, if President Trump had stayed in, i think he would have been pursuing the failed postals policies of george w. Bush. What happened was when president bush went away and president obama came in, everything that just been sitting there for eight years, pop back to life. If you recall in the first year in december of 2009 president obamas first term we had the copenhagen. Which collapsed. Which was a big event which had been lying there ready to go. The other thing that President Trump did as he made it very clear, that the United States is not going to fund the Green Climate fund. That was agreed to. That was proposed by secretary clinton in 2009 and copenhagen. It was confirmed in 2010 at in cancun. The Green Climate fund is meant to raise a minimum 100 billion a year starting in 2020 from developed countries to help the developing countries pay for the cost of reducing emissions and adapting to Climate Change. The congress has made it clear theyre not going to fund the climate fund. President trump wasnt breaking any new ground. What he was doing was, he was putting the developing countries on notice that the United States is not going to be transferring vast sums of money to the developing world through emissions. You guys in these countries that say youre supporting the paris treaty you better think twice because many of them are in it because they think theres a lot of money involved. Host myron ebell joining us. First call comes from baltimore on the independent line. Matt, youre on. Caller hello. So glad i got on with mr. Ebell. First of all, let me give you my justification. I ran three geophysical observatory satellites. We measured surface temperatures because every 45 minutes, they all made a complete circuit. We could find no, zero, man made influence upon change in climate, which is absolutely necessary. What i would hope is that people that question the one who are so wildly enthusiastic about were killing the world, ask them to distinguish between man made and natural. Weve always had Climate Change. As far as the Paris Agreement that goes back to another thing for making money by creating a new class of brokers. They will trade your ability to reduce co2 by be elses ability. They make the money in the interim. Guest matt is let me start with the broker comment. If you look at the most enthusiastic supporters of action through this emissions and international agreement, you find Companies Back at the time of enron and goldman sachs. Henry paulson became the treasury secretary in the last couple of years for the george w. Bush administration. He created a whole unit at treasury to develop the perfect trading system, the perfect carbon tax and that kind of thing. Goldman sachs as a broker will be in the middle of every deal and will get a commission. Now we have gary kohn at the white house, former head of goldman sachs, it was reported was supporter in the middle of us staying in the paris climate treaty. It seems im accused of representing economic interest, when i think im representing consumers interest. There is an obvious conflict of interest for people who come out of organizations like goldman sachs. As for the satellite measurements, i defer on that. Host this is john from new mexico. Republican line. Caller hello, thank you for taking my call. Its great to talk to you. I would just like to mention that the iscc report was wrong. They had a report to university some ten years ago. Im telling you that the 777 Climate Change concert saying that al gore did the whole documentary that al gore did, it was wrong. None of that has come to past. Many scientists have jumped back from Climate Change. Said, maybe its over time in climate. What we have done here is we have elected a president as part of his platform was not to pay the world 26 billion in blackmail over climate that we built this big industry. My ron youre funded by solar panel manufacturers, people that make cars like musk. Youre financed by corporate interest that make a lot of money off this Climate Change rhetoric. Yes, its the Climate Changes its because god decided its time for the climate to change. Youre going to say im an idiot because im invoking god. We elected a president that was going to throw all this hogwash aside. That was a big part of his agendas. Its not to be blackmailed by other countries. Guest john, i think you have me confused with the other side. I support President Trumps decision. One of the reasons i do is something President Trump didnt talk about, which is Global Warming as a hypothesis as we increase coal, oil and natural gas which produces Carbon Dioxide that would lead to warming. I dont think theres any doubt about that in theory. The question is how much warming and what we found is that the model predictions from the 1980s and 1990s have for over predicted. They predicted lot more warming than weve seen. I think this hypothesis has been beendisproved. The data shows modest warming. Impacts of that warming are mostly beneficial. Some are negative, it depends on where you are in the world. What your preference is. Some people like cold away and some people like slightly warmer climate state. I think by in large the hypothesis still being pushed by the arm of this community has been disproved by history. The data that weve accumulated since the 1980s. Host democrats line, melvin, youre next up. Caller good morning. I like to talk to myron there. When he first came on, he nicely said hes not taking no side about anything. But then in the same statement he very clearly denounced president obama and it seems like hes not link in the chain trying to correct the mistakes that President Trump made. In my opinion, all this is just another part of the conspiracy to dis dismantle that president obama did. You know trump is a dummy. Lock him up. Host melvin, what do you think of the Paris Agreement . What do you think the value it brings . Caller i think we should stay in it. Were better together. It dont have to be just the u. S. I got sons and grandsons in the military and we need these people. My son when he went to iraq, he had to stop off in germany. He had to stop in all these places so they can exchange planes. Host got you. What do you think about the other countries that are left in this agreement . Guest couple of comments. The first one let me go back this idea that President Trump is undoing everything that president obama did. I think you see that a lot of what President Trump did was basted on the fact that his agenda was frustrated in congress. When he was elected, he did not run in 2008 on Global Warming agenda. He barely mentioned. Neither did his opponents. As soon as he got in, he said we need cap and trade legislation to control emissions. Type. Thats the kind of fight that we need in this country. The political debate, congress debated it, the house passed it narrowly. Blow back from the country was so strong that the senate never took it up. Harry reid said were not going to touch it. In the 2010 election Many Democrats lost because of that vote. The republicans took over the house. In 2010, right after the election, president said there are more ways to skin the cap. I dont need congress, i can do it through executive orders and regulations based on existing laws. That havent worked. What happened is, what can be done by executive action can be undone by executive action. Thats whats happening. If you dont like what President Trump is doing, i think what you have to say is, he picked the wrong path. He should have persisted with congress maybe gotten as much as he wanted done. Once something is passed in law its much more difficult to get rid of it than some executive order or regulatory action. I think President Trump is perfectly within his rights. He won the election just as president obama won the election four years ago and eight years ago. As far as other countries, i think the hysteria around the world over President Trumps agenda is not all together sincere. On the one hand, weve been told that paris climate treaty is the most important agreement in the history of the world. On other hand, environmentalists included said its really no big deal. It doesnt do that much. For example the United States commits to real emissions reduction. Those are swamped by the increases in emissions that china has promised that india has promised and other major developing countries promptup prompt promised. If paris was totally implemented, if everybody had their promise, would hardly be effective. Our emissions will be emissions and japan. China has promised their emissions will keep going up until 2030. Remember, chinese emissions went surpassed u. S. Emissions in 2006. Theyre now almost double. Host lets go to independent line from michigan mark, go ahead. Caller i think our system has im trying to figure out what who stole the tv technology. I want to take tesla machine throw it in the north and south pole, use the tv 2 technology, if you take that electricity its actually heating the north and south pole. You take that dim that light that might allow the north and south pole to rejuvenate and recool themselves. Host up next from washington d. C. Republican lane. Caller i want to point out building on youre guest comments before the last caller. Democrats were very opposed to the Paris Agreement. President obama did not get it approved by congress. He rammed it through. Democrats said it was voluntary. They were not supportive of it until President Trump decided to say, the u. S. Was going to take a leadership role outside of the Paris Agreement. Then everybody on the other side said oh my god hes going to kill the planet. Armageddon, everything is going to blow up. I think its very ironic. Thank you. Guest let me comment on the previous caller. I believe in technological innovation. I believe the world will innovate new technologies. I dont think we can predict it. I think where technological innovation comes from free market, free people, responding to the incentives provided by free markets. Thats why the United States is lot more innovative. We are the freest. The idea i want to point out this idea we can cool down the artic. Antarctica has been cooling down. Temperatures have gone down slightly. I dont think thats the way argument for or against Global Warming. The problem is that the debate has been moved to wherever the alarmist camp supporters of paris think they can make some progress. When it was first negotiated, didnt go nearly far enough. It was entirely voluntary. Nothing to worry about. Then it became the most important environmental agreement in the history of the world and President Trump turning his back on that and is a trader to the planet. You got to decide which side youre on here. Whether its really nothing or whether its absolutely critical. I dont want to get involved in that. Im just opposed to it. Host Chicago Tribune on the criticism. Saying mr. Trump stubborn approach represents opportunity it puts the u. S. On the sidelines for one of the most important issues. Its a risky place to be. Ace puzzling position for president focused on business. Lot of the conversation will be about future of green energy. Guest two points i think when youre going in the wrong direction, youre not leading. I think the United States under President Trump has a tremendous opportunity to lead the world to a future of more abundant and more affordable energy. That leads to my second point. 80 of the world energy comes from coal, oil and natural gas. The demand is going up every year. Up about 2 . If you look at renewable energy, winds mill and solar panels after all decades of subsidies and mandates and all the Government Action to force utilities to increase power rates ininin order to pay for solar panels, they supply less than one percent of the world energy. This is not the future. Winds mill and solar panels are a dead end. You want to talk the innovation that will get us off coal oil and gas eventually, its either going to be nuclear power, which many of the environmentalists say, the planet is threatened, well do anything except we wont allow nuclear power. Theres a contradiction. If this is a truly crisis, then we have to do whatever is necessary. Some technology that we have not dreamed of yet. For example, the shell oil and gas revolution was not something the government dreamed up. It was something private individuals like George Mitchell down in texas spent decades tinkering with until he made it work. That is the Biggest Energy revolution in our lifetime. Thats the kind of thing that we cannot predict. Nobody thought he could do it. He did it. I believe in the future. I dont think the future is windmill and solar panels. Host our guest is myron ebell. You heard him heading mr. Trump trumps epa transition team. Talking about issues concerning the Paris Agreement and the president s decision to pull the u. S. Out of that. From north carolina, democrats line. Hi. Caller 53 Million People voted for donald trump. Donald trump will do something for 53 Million People and nobody else. I do know it will lead to carbon footprint. The problem with me is that until we study, i dont think donald trump has the i. Q. To study the Science BehindGlobal Warming. President obama, hes not president anymore. Its racist and using obamacare and Say Something about donald trump. Hes the president now. Stop blaming president obama. You said about president obama came. Stop using bush. Host you made your point. Guest unfortunately in politics we have to look back and see whats been done and what needs to be done. I personally am going to keep blaming the Obama Administration for the things that i think they did wrong and supporting him for the things i think they did right. I think they did a lot more things wrong. I think your caller has the opposite view. What we need to do is to be respectful of president obama. He was president and he tried to lead the country in the direction he thought was right. I disagree with that. I dont try to trash him or denigrate him. Host well hear next from the independent Line Lexington kentucky, this is christian. Caller from the paris accord is the most short sighted decision that trump could have done. Here in kentucky, we have the most lung cancer deaths. We have the most wood river in the United States. After california, were tops for worst polluted air. We have the most life long minors which by the way big coal thrived john hopkins denied every single case of black lung disease. They shut down that unit and theyre under a class action lawsuit. Mr. Myron ebell according to the truth backers documents housed at the university of california, this is one of the tobacco lobbyist who lobbied congress through the con frontiers of freedom lobby group. To allow advertising cigarettes to kids. Hes taking a page how of that play book and doing the same thing with cancer, coal. There are over 300 high hazard coal ash damns in the United States. Any one of which would ruin a states drinking water. Host christian, well let the guest respond. Guest christian is misinformed. I dont blame, i blame the left Wing Campaign that hides behind academic credentials and studies. Im proud to say, i workedder frontiers of freedom. I have never lobby on a single tobacco issue. I never said anything about a single tobacco issue in public or private. These are not my issues. Theyre not what im concerned with. When i worked at cei, they filed lawsuits which i had nothing to do with, filed a lawsuit try to overturn the agreement between the state attorney generals and the big coback coe Company Tobacco companies on the grounds of collusion. The big Tobacco Companies opposed that lawsuit. If anything, ive been against by association ive been more against big tobacco than for it. I never lobbied for even a minute. Host myron ebell with Competitive Enterprises joining us t