Host how are you funded . Guest we are funded by foundations and private contributions. Host before we get to detail of donald trump jr. s meeting last june, what are the rules pertaining to the president ial candidate for his senior officials having contact with some one, a representative from a Foreign Government during a campaign . Guest Campaign Finance rules are based on the expenditure of money. A Foreign National and a Foreign Government are prohibited from spending money in u. S. Elections. It is one of the few provisions that apply to state and local elections. The real idea is we do not win Foreign Governments and nationals interfering with our elections. If the campaign accepts a contribution from a Foreign National, it is illegal, also to solicit a conservation from a Foreign National. That includes money in anything of value, which should be providing Opposition Research, anything they have to spend money on to produce would be something the buyer if they gave it to the campaign. Host who determines if it is of value . Several ways, the federal Election Commission is a Civil Enforcement agency that reviews these laws and fax and they determine if something is of value. When a Foreign National spends money to support the campaign, it is illegal. If its also be where the criminal Justice Court gets involved. Host we want to get definitions from you, coalition, coordination and collusion, coordination and conspiracy. Is a shorthandn term. In Campaign Finance law, it is a question of coordination. You can do things independently of the campaign and it isnt considered a contribution, but when you coordinate, it is. Coordination involves talking to the person making the expenditure, giving them plans, projects and needs. That is coordination and can turn a legal activity into an illegal activity. Host President Trump was asked about his sons meeting with that russian lawyer, i want to play his response. [video clip] President Trump he is a great young men, a fine person. He took a meeting with a lawyer from russia. It lasted for a short period, nothing came of the meeting. I think it is a meeting most people in politics probably would have taken. Mr. President . President macron yes, to answer your question, i think it is inays good not to interfere domestic life. President trump what is the answer then . [laughter] host the president and french president there. Your thoughts on that expedition from President Trump. Guest it is wholly inadequate and ignores the facts of what we know and what his son has admitted. This was not just a short meeting. This was a meeting set up after donald trump jr. Garden email saying that this lawyer got in the mail saying this russian lawyer had information, based on their attempts to help the trump campaign. Going into this meeting, they knew where they thought they were going to get information that would help them in the election. It was information gathered by the russian government. The idea most anyone would take that meeting is false. I think most political people in washington and lawyers, when you get in the middle like that, they tell you, immediately they know and turn it to the fbi. Host how long have you been working in election law . Guest 40 years. Host have you seen Something Like this . Guest not like this. We had fed incidents of Foreign Nationals trying to influence elections and investigations for republican and democratic sides. Usually, it has to do with Foreign Nationals trying to put money into the u. S. , but i have not seen where you have meetings way think youre getting information from a Foreign Government and the context. Basically, a long discussion of the administration and his familys involvement with russia and denials that anything was going on with backs show differently. No, i have not seen anything like this. Host very noble with this for the next 25 larry noble with us for the next 25 years. Democrats, 202 7488000. Republicans, 202 7488001. Independents, 202 7488002. Paul from ohio, like the democrats. Inler hello, i am calling regards to the russian involvement in a president ial election. Although i am a democrat, i think regardless of your politics, if you are a democrat, republican or independent, this issue should be upsetting. For the first time in this history of the nation, a foreign power has had a role in determining who the president of the United States would be. We need an independent investigator to investigate this matter to find out how deeply the russians got involved. From what i have seen on the thatand tv, it appears some highranking republicans went along with this. We need to see how deeply this went into the republican party. Host thank you. Dont we already have an independent investigator . Guest we do. We have an independent counselor investigating this, and we assume hes investigating all of them. You would expect congress and the house without hearings on this type of thing, and our organization, along with others, have filed complaints over the meeting and solicitation of foreign contributions. I agree with the caller. What we need is a fullscale investigation to find out with the russian involvement was and find out, what, if any involvement the Political Campaign had. Host toward the ramifications . Is it a fine, something that is a criminal felony . Guest they can investigate the campaign, ore people involved, or it can refer it to the department of justice for criminal prosecution. I have to say, the ftc these days is not known as an aggressive agency and there was a statement made the other day by republican commissioner that he got they should let the other investigations go forward. That aseady see responsible to look at Something Like this. Host willful and knowing violation seems more of an artistic term. How do you define that . Are there strict rules . Guest it means you knew what you were doing, you know the law and you still did it. You knew it was illegal to solicit a foreign contribution and accept a foreign contribution, yet, you did it. Host line for independents. Caller thank you. I have a question, i wonder if this incident would be investigated as aggressively as hillary would have won . Thank you. Guest this is an issue comparing what would have happened with hillary. If Hillary Clinton was president , this had happened and republicans had the house and senate, yes, this would be investigated aggressively with hearings on it. If it had happened with her campaign . Guest yes, with her campaign. We have seen this from the past. One of the reasons you are seeing hesitancy in the house and senate to conduct a full investigation is because they are concerned about upsetting the base and theyre hoping to get their agenda through. At some points, we all americans. If Hillary Clinton had done this, i would be calling for an investigation on that. Host i think if you had been asking, if Hillary Clinton had won, do you think this meeting between donald trump jr. And the russian lawyer, do you think there would have been investigated as much . Guest if you had a Republican House and senate, possibly not. I think she would be calling on the issue but there are something else, it would be a violation and an important matter. What makes it more serious is that he is president. If she is president and investigation is about him, it is important, and it should be carried through. It is not as serious when the person involved or allegedly involved with russia is the president at the time. Host in england, barbara is waiting period republican. Good morning is waiting. Republican. Are you there . From barber inr england but dont think she was by her fun. Gerard is in staten island, new york. Go ahead. Heard, we had been talking about this russia for such a long time. Trump is president , and canned the government get on with governing and forget about russia . Russia is just russia and we are just the United States. Guest we have been talking about it for a long time, but new information keeps coming out. It came out last week about this meeting with the russian attorney that john will trump donald involved that trump jr. Was involved, jared kushner, so we are not talking about something that happened two years ago, these meetings are going on. Host what concerns you more, the original meeting or the changing explanations about the meeting, and which one should concern donald trump jr. More . Guest they both do, but the original meeting and what happened and it is rehabbed the initial violation. Is where we have the initial violation. What concerns me is the stories keep changing. Donald trump jr. Said nothing happened, and we have gone to him saying that they did not know who was going to be at the meeting and it turns out there emails that not only describe what the meeting is about, which is information about Hillary Clinton, but referred to part of the russian government attempting to help donald trump, and donald trump jr. s response is, i love it. I think that is a serious offense of credibility questions and there is another issue. If you think about it, he says he was excited about the possibility of getting this information and he was frustrated because he did not learn anything. Was that the last contact he had . That,e do know is after wikileaks started releasing emails hacked by russia, according to our Intelligence Agency. Host President Trump has tweeted already, he wrote Hillary Clinton can legally get the question about the debate and delete 30 3000 males, but my son don is been scorned by the take news media . Guest this is not something the is making a. His sons emails show it happened. This is not take news. This is real news and he needs to face up to that. Host about 15 minutes left with larry noble. Campaignlegalcenter. Org, easy to find. A democrat in virginia, good morning. Caller my cousin is bobby kennedy. One, whents to make, this was going on in june, why wouldnt there have been a movement to maybe try and change state regulations on absentee voting . And betsy devoss brothers attended meetings in west africa, talked about his locker a trump, andt ivank i feel this new policy with President Trump in cuba trying to restrict trade while there is this boom in russian investments, you know, the importance of looking more at what is happening there. Host a lot there to sort through, what do you want to pick up on from that . Guest one of the issues here, and we had known it from the beginning is that President Trumps family does have business dealings abroad. Businesstensive dealings abroad. One of the concerns from an ethics standpoint from the beginning is the present potential conflicts of interest and put the family and the president in a situation where it may look like they are trying to help themselves as opposed to the country. When you move into this situation, that background effects of people thing and if you are concerned these meetings may have in some way been related to business dealings in the past with russia. These are big concerns. Those are ones we will have to deal with. They will not go away. He is hurt by the fact that he keeps denying or partially denying russia had influence or other people may have had influence, even though the Intelligence Agency says he has had some. It needs to be investigated fully. Host i want to ask what you make of this story in the Washington Post and other papers, President Trump campaign made a payment last month to the law firm of the attorney representing donald trump jr. Two weeks before was announced the same attorney would be representing his son and that russian related probe, according to Campaign Finance reports filed and released. Guest there is a law that prohibits a campaign from using Campaign Funds for personal use. That is any use you would have irrespective of the campaign. In this case, that means you can use Campaign Funds for matters related to the campaign, such as the Russian Investigation involving the campaign. Meansem to pay these fees they had decided something was going on with donald trump jr. That required legal advice. This is at the time before we knew about the meetings, before anything was released. I do not know if it means they knew something was coming up and they were worried about it, but they had to see at this point they were paying those legal fees because it was a campaign related matter. Host to michigan, brian, independent. Go ahead. Caller obviously, there is confusion with this. We are supposed to be the land of free speech. We allowed russians and others, but i guess we are supposed to put up some kind of quasiwall we cannot speak to that salient and the the process dnc, it appears the socalled russians, we do not know for sure, but they acted in the dnc, and from what i understand, clinton and the people around him did not want our own intelligence people to find out and ascertain what was going on. Why didnt the dnc trust our own government . To trust themwant now, why did they not trust them to do a proper investigation and find out the extent . Act, 9 11, the patriot homeland security, i worked in intelligence, so maybe it will not go into too much, but we cannot handle all of the information that is coming into our government through the nsa, and it is causing problems. We need to get back to the constitution. Guest i cannot answer why the the fbi looking at service. I have read what they said and i think they should fully cooperate. This is not a titfortat situation, that if the dnc to not want the fbi to look at its servers, we should not investigate whether russia was involved. Host does it matter that the russian lawyer reported he was cleared by the department of justice to come to the United States . Guest no. It is not affect whether a violation occurred. We are not saying the person snuck into the United States. You can be here illegally, but unless you are a resident alien or citizen, you cannot make the contribution of be involved in our election. Again, one thing a Foreign National can do is volunteer for campaigns. Hey can volunteer for campaign they cannot use other peoples money, for nationals money to help the campaign or use their own money in minimal amounts to help the campaign. Host isnt volunteering for campaign giving something to it . Guest that is the debate at the time, and they decided your own individual activity is exempted from expenditure, but they were clear that that was shown activity. Resourcesng other into it, it is illegal. In no way does that volunteer activity allow you to use the russian government to come up with information or to use any resources as a Foreign National. Host can you bring information on your own that could be considered Opposition Research . Guest interesting question. If the attorney her own certain facts and she wanted to tell the campaign them, that would probably not be a violation. If it was something she hired people to research, that would be a violation. If she got these facts from the russian government, that would be a violation. No, she said herself that i have been involved in the field along time, and i saw when the dnc took money from Foreign Government, that would be a violation. Host that was not in these emails released. Guest not at all. Virginia and pennsylvania, republican. Caller yes, i would like to know how much time you spend investigating the obama election . I understand there were dead people voting, people turn to her from the polls people turned away from the polls, all kinds of corruption. Guest we are strictly nonpartisan. If you go to our website, we put an expedition on their homepage about what nonpartisan means and we list actions we have taken against democrats and republicans. We do have Voting Rights sections of our organization. But without getting too deep into it, the issue of voter fraud is not evidence of a lot of people who are voting and i think the problems on the other of restricting people from voting. During the campaign, host which campaign question mark guest the past camp which campaign . Guest the past campaign, they criticized the Clinton Campaign for the fund rising. We over filed a complaint against the Clinton Campaign for illegally working for a socalled outside group. We have been nonpartisan about this. If receipt a violation, we will file a complaint. Host norm in north carolina, go ahead. Caller i am enjoying the conversation. I will bring it back to topic. There seems to be a lot of call on the right and the last one is an example, where they try to obfuscate the point and bring up other issues they feel are germane to the conversation, havent we been talking about this long enough, so on and so forth . Benghazi was investigated 33 times and nobody on the right was calling for us to get over that issue at that point. Considering what the Trump Team Just revealed in these emails, at what point does mr. Mueller start drinking the folks from andtrump campaign into start questioning them . And will those be broadcasted the way the Senate Hearings are . Guest i agree with the caller that of the arguments are distraction and you have to focus on the problem now. As far as what mr. Mueller is doing, i assume he is looking at this and look at the russian connections, any russian involvement in our elections, and what the campaign had to do with it. We will not see it while the investigation is going on. They are confidential. What we will see eventually is if he takes action on this and then we will see what is going on. Host he does not need to announce philia springing in for interviews . Guest no, he does not. Normally, you do not want to announce you are bringing in or give people warnings. He may be talking to Major Players now. Is hiringok at who lawyers. That is an indication. Host chris, maryland, republican. Caller good morning. In april 2016, the New York Times [indiscernible] and two, comey stopped investigating clinton and trump jr. Gets a call there is information, that the dnc was looking at the campaign to the and this was all preconvention, so it is a little shaky, pressure, but with insider information, it is nice to get. At the same time, democrats are trying to block any reform of voter fraud and manipulation. I just wondered about that. Host the two topics we have talked a little bit about already but anything to add . Guest we have to settle separate various actions. If the Clinton Campaign did something wrong, that should be investigated and as an earlier caller pointed out, there were investigations of what secretary clinton did. It is important for this country to focus on what is going on now because it involves integrity of our elections and government. This is one of the most serious. Hings that can happen whether or not there other things that should be investigated and whether or not whether or not that bothers you, let that slide for a moment and think about what is going on now. There is evidence that donald trump jr. He was going to get information that was a result of the russian government trying to help his father get elected and he took the meeting. I think that is serious in and of itself. Host last call, line for democrats. Go ahead. Withr my comment is a man what the other gentleman said, what if we had president clinton and Chelsea Clinton was found to have had the same meeting with the russians, what do you think the response would be from the republicans and the commentators on fox news over that . Guest i think given the way politics works, if we had a president clinton now and Chelsea Clinton had the meeting, and the republicans had the house and senate, there would be a number of investigations now. I think the media right now is heavily supporting President Trump in this issue and would be attacking her. We live in that world, but it does not change the facts that if there was a violation of the law, it needs to be investigated and we need to know what is going on. President trump is our president and we have to update it what he is doing is for the country, not because of business deals with russia or has had previous involvement with russia and they helped his campaign. Host very noble with announcer cspans washington journal, live every day with news and policy issues that impact you. Coming up, political reporter for the Los Angeles Times and Chicago Tribune and the White House Correspondent from politico discuss the weekend in washington. 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