Journal, white house chief strategists relationship with President Trump was explored. This new book, devils ba rgain. Meetdid steve bannon first donald trump . Guest a lot earlier than most people realize. I tell the story of how they were actually introduced in 2010, by a veteran republican activist. Trump had begun turning to tutor him and give some political advice on the idea that he was going to run for president and said hey, im going up to advise donald trump, dont you come along and steve bannon decided to go along and by all accounts, van and trump hit it off right off the bat and he has been a part of trumps cabinet ever since. Host what do they have in common and what separates the two . Guest they have quite a bit in common. They both went to military high schools. They are both dealmakers. Trump in manhattan real estate, bannon on wall street finance and later in hollywood. Involved both deeply in the paint entertainment industry. Trump in the apprentice and then and produced sean penn films, became hopkins films and a conservative documentary filmmaker that eventually led him into the tea party movement. Breitbart and took over Breitbart News when Andrew Breitbart died. How are they different . Not just in their backgrounds, but philosophically. Guest they are different in the sense that trump was born rich, his father was a big developer in new york city. Bannon is the bluecollar Irish Catholic workingclass son of a telephone linesman. Verycially, you have different backgrounds. Haserms of politics, bannon always cared a lot about culture and traditions. Long before he met trump, he had developed his own idea of a nationalist economic populism, whereas trump, i dont think had a particular political agenda he was trying to pass. He famously ran on the reform party ticket. They have different political backgrounds, although trump seems to recognize in bannon that here was a guy in politics that could work for trump and get him elected as a republican president and as we all know, it did. Host did steve bannon take donald trump seriously at their first meeting . Guest he did not, i think. I think he thought this would be fun. Everyone knows donald trump from the apprentice. I dont think bannon had any inkling that trump was serious about running for president. They pull together what is called opposition researchs of that they could go up and essentially give trump a sense of what he was likely to encounter from his political opponents if he were to get into the race and i describe this scene in the book where trump is gob smacked that these guys have managed to figure out that he have his he has given money to democrats, he does not put very often. These are readily available public records that you can pull up on your phone. Trump is dazzled any connected with bannon on a personal level. They are both kind of swaggering alpha male dealmaker types and from that moment on, bannon was a part of trumps cabinet go circle and became more important as time went on. Host what is the devils bargain . Guest i explain how it was that i met bannon. He had written in she had read a article i had written about sarah palin and called me up and said he had this documentary film he wanted me to see. This was in 2011 when we thought sarah palin might run for president in 2012. I did not think much of the film, but bannon was this interesting guy with this distinct rand that did not have representation in washington. He told me that he thought palin could be the candidate that would carry this politics to the white house. I argue in devils bargain that the bargain implicit at the heart of the bannon trunk relationship is that bannon would give this populist nationalism to a candidate and get him to the white house. The flipside was that once there, President Trump would faithfully enact those policies and for the most part, that has not happened. Host early on, you have a chapter called where is my steve . Guest that is a quote from donald trump about steve bannon. That i try tongs eliminate in the book is how it is that these two men came together. Such unlikely backgrounds, such a strange marriage yet such a important relationship for greatest g the understanding what i call the greatest little upset in american history. Trump is ordinarily surrounded by very deferential staffers. They were described to me as lackeys. I think we all know the type. Steve was the only alpha male in trumps cabinet verse. He liked bannon. He respected the fact that he had gotten rich on business. Bannon as a former investment banker had real experience managing ambitious egotistical aggressive guys like donald trump. He was not wowed. They had a certain rapport. When trump began to travel to certain the little conferences, trying to lay the groundwork for a president ial bid, he would look for bannon at these conferences and say where is my steve and then he would go find him. Host another quote from the book, the surprise elevation of bannon to head trumps cabinet hit political washington like a thunderclap and to most insiders, like a bad punchline. To washington republicans, bannon was the worst choice trump could make because it signaled that trump was going to in route to awn loss so ugly it might destroy the party. Host there was no warning guest there was no warning, no trial balloons. The state of the Trump Campaign was your chaos. Was your. Was pure chaos. They came off of a dark Republican National convention. He was fighting with fox news and megyn kelly. He famously went after the parents of the slain muslim soldier. This was very damaging to his standing in the polls. It looked as if he were spiraling to a blowout loss. Lo and behold, steve bannon is put in charge of the campaign and the reason that republicans were so negative was that in his role as chairman of Breitbart News, he had helped drive out House Speaker john boehner. Unless you are part of a very small subset of hard right ,epublican members of congress if you had any experience with steve bannon and breitbart, it was highly negative and it was clear that bannon gtmo is to be more outrageous and more extreme and aggressive than any mainstream political consultant would be. There was a fear that bannon, and his eagerness to blow up the president ial race would end up blowing up the Republican Party. And inhe president won response to your book, almost, tweets out. He has also said he was his own strategist. Host i think i will use that as a book blurb on the back of the paperback. Everyone knows trump does not like having a costar. Bannons worse experience so far in the administration came in february after Time Magazine famously ran a cover of bannons face and the headline the great manipulator. That quotehis belief unquote, president bannon was really the guy in charge and it sort of rubbed President Trump the wrong way. Now he has worked his way back into the inner circle, but i think the fact that my book puts him on the cover and is one official pointed out to me, Steve Bannons name comes before Donald Trumps name in the subtitle to your book. It rubbed donald trump the wrong way. I encourage him to read the whole book. It has a happy ending from trumps cabinet of view from drunk from trumps point of view. Caller i have a question for your author. Take onSteve Bannons the relationship with the works . F julius evola quite a traditional guest i get into this, in the book. One of the questions i had for bannon was how did you come up with this idea of nationalist rightwing policy and who did you look to for inspiration . And came out that there was a video of bannon at a backing conference in 2014. He mentioned the name julius evola. Was a need to me soon bonito mussolinis fascist here is to went on to nazi germany. One of the reasons i think a lot of people believe that bannon is a white supremacist or a crypto antisemite is the fact that he is familiar with how people like evola. He said i was looking for an intellectual underpinning for my beliefs about nationalism and the big nationalist thinkers or most prominent in the 30s and 40s and they included people like evola. I do a section in the book on the roots of bannons nationalism and it mentions evola. He told me evola was a path back to an earlier thinker, a french freemason who was the godfather for julius evola and this group of traditionalist thinkers who were probably at the height of their influence in the 40s and now are back in the form of bannon and Alexander Dugan who is Vladimir Putins chief ideologist. This is the string that connects evola to bannon to trump. Host question or comment . Caller i have a comment. Thank you for your book. Unfortunately, really people that are going to read it are the curious, the people that have any kind of education. Im not here to fix the world, but if you look at how we are dumbing down and how we are going back to these archaic guest, inm your last my opinion, it was probably steve bannon that may trump go out there and im sure trump is homophobic and steve bannon had an office in my friends building and he was a strange guy. I heard all kinds of stories about this guy. I did not vote for bannon. Did not vote for these people were they educated . I worked all my life to be educated, to understand ideas. Thesearter than most of harvard or stafford guys. Host did you vote for the president . Caller no. I voted in the primary for Bernie Sanders and that i voted for hillary, reluctantly. Not that she is not qualified, but i saw the errors. I did not want a businessman like mr. Trump in the office. Andk you for your book maybe you could write a victims version of it could write a dick and jane version of it. Guest the day after the clintons campaign, most of the people that i circulate with in washington at my job was just shocked at this happened and nobody really believed until 10 00 p. M. On Election Night that trump could win. Mom. Ember talking to my she said how could this happen, you said hillary was going to win. I thought it was important for someone to look back and tell the full inside story of what had really happened. Just because i had a close access to people like bannon and trump, going so far back, i thought i could tell the story of the campaign and i thought that the key to understanding what happened in that election was understanding the relationship between donald trump and steve bannon because together, they were able to ride this populist wave the gop nomination against what was thought to be the strongest president ial field on the republican side in a generation, but to beat Hillary Clinton who seems who seemed that she had been ticketed for the white house ever since she lost to barack obama. Host what about Donald Trumps relationship with the establishment . I want to show our viewers a cspan interview with the new rnc chairman at the time, Reince Priebus and a question he gets on our Newsmakers Program back in 2011. You said that all the republican candidates on the field are credible. Is donald trump a credible ublican candidate . Republican candidate . I think all these guys are credible and i think that they all have a different angle and different viewpoint that they will articulate. I think it is going to be up to the voters. I dont get to choose who the candidate is going to be, that i have to make sure we do what we can do. Is a good for the party or the debate to have eight candidates talking so much about is this president an american citizen . I think it is up to the primary voters to decide that. Obviously we will have different opinions and you have a lot of different candidates that are running. They will talk about Different Things at different times. I think it is up to the primary voters. Having a diversity of opinion is fine. I think the voters usually get it right and it is up to me to turn my to turn our party into a functional committee. Host you write in the book that it was moments like those that amused donald trump. Why . Guest i tell the story of this interview in the book. Believe it or not, when Reince Priebus was first elected chairman of the Republican National committee, in 2011, the very first scandal that he had to deal with as chairman was a donald trump scandal. Trump was going out claiming that barack obama had not been born in the United States and the interview click clip you show was previous was his first interview. He is confronted about what is clearly a lie about Barack Obamas birth, and yet you see him unwilling to kind of stand up and assert himself and say there is no room for that kind of talk in our party, it is not true. I think that his weakness in the clip and afterward is one of the reasons why the wii public and party was unable to stop donald trump from storming his way through the republican nomination and winning the presidency. Host lisa in kentucky, democrat. Caller good morning. Andink that donald trump steve bannon identify with each other more on the prejudice level. I dont think steve bannon he wants a separatist society. Donald trump brings in Foreign Workers to work his motels and hotels and these hightech jobs that there are supposedly nobody in the u. S. That are qualified for them. That is just not true. The main thing is, they want to drive wages down and i dont think steve bannon really believes in that. Host lets get a response. Guest i think that one truck that what trump and then in share is trump and bannon share is a power of stoking americans resentments. The story i tell in the book of how they came together, on the one hand, i can trace trumps put the lineage. 1988, he strikes a lot of the same notes that he struck in 2016. The idea that the u. S. Is being taken advantage of life foreign countries. Back then it was japan and now it is china. The element that steve bannon that was sot mix powerful and the 2016 cycle was the issue of immigration, taking a hard line on immigration both in terms of valley to deport immigrants who were here vowing to deport immigrants who were here, illegally and even reducing legal immigration. Trump did not say those kinds of things 10 years ago, but once he met bannon, it really started to resonate out on the campaign trail and that was the issue that carried him to the nomination and that is what he and steve bannon have in common. I dont know whether trump really believes it. I know for certain that bannon believes it. Host lets go to florida, independent caller. Caller thank you cspan for taking my call. Is the propaganda that is floating around. I find it ridiculous. I remember reading about the propaganda that occurred in and an at the time entire generation of people were raised to believe to fight, to kill, to do horrible things and their montage back then was make germany great again. To me, i find it a little ridiculous to hear the president , bannon and all these people saying make America Great again. It just brings that back into my mind and i find it very displeasing. Trump understands intuitively, i be than any politician in my life team in my lifetime, the visceral power of phrases like that activate voters. A connects on it on emotional level anyway the democratic slogan simply did not. The current setup sounds like it was swat teamed. Propaganda, it is interesting the caller could mention that because steve bannon actually studies and admires a lot of the propaganda lawmakers from the 1920s and 30s. He has been compared to the not the filmmaker the nazi filmmaker. While i dont think he shares his views, he does admire her ability to shape the public message and shape public sentiment through film and that is a lesson he has tried to bring to the Trump Campaign. Host did steve bannon sanction this book . Did you talk to him for the book and if so, for how long . Guest he did not sanction the book, that i met bannon in 2011 because i am always looking for interesting characters who break the mold. Bannon if nothing else, breaks the mold of the type of person you encounter, and washington. I would interview him, over the years. Hundreds of hours of interview tapes. I did not actually write about him until 2015. I did a cover story built on this elaborate plan that he had conceived to tear down how the clinton who everyone was everyone knew was likely to be the democratic nominee. I travel to florida with bannon and interviewed everyone around him. He did not sanction the book. I decided to write it on my own. I dont think he is happy that it is out there. We see what happens to steve bannon when his profile gets out. He did talk to me after the businessweek profile because i think he did appreciate the fact that a mainstream Business Reporter could look into what he was doing. I remember calling him and saying everybody is going to come after you, every reporter because you are now in charge of a president ial campaign. Dont forget who was there talking to you and taking you seriously before you are running Donald Trumps campaign. To his credit, we kept talking throughout the campaign. Host who else did you talk to . Guest dozens if not hundreds of people. Job as a reporter the last three years was really to cover the rise of the populist right. I was more or less embedded with the Trump Campaign. I did not do a lot of reporting on the clinton campaign. In the course of doing my job as a political reporter for bloomberg, i did long profiles of donald trump, of Reince Priebus, a lot of the people who wound up being instrumental on the campaign. I did additional reporting after trump was elected. Up in trump tower and hanging out with the in Administration Officials. Host did you talk to the president . He puts the trump brand on it. That d in the book, now you have won, you have a different idea than the will you put ow the trump brand on the epublican party, he goes on about how he wants it to become a workers party. Was was an idea that powerful, trump recognized, the republican message as it was the g. O. P. Ed by establishment of the last 10, 20 resonating and that trump, by making a pitch to kind collar, workingclass eople and promising different hings, would be more effective messenger to base Republican Voters and i think in the event being true. P host something he pivots back to today. Hes sitting down at cabinet meeting, leading a meeting yesterday with the new white and chief of staff immediately turns to the economy and tells the numbers, this twitter saying stock market could hit alltime high, it was 2,000 today, 18,000 six months ago on lection, Mainstream Media seldom mentions this. Guest i work for bloomberg, we all day long everyday long. If you want good news about the welcome to , he is read bloomberg. I dont agree quite, during the bluecolor had oriented message, make America Great again, bring back jobs, were going to hold off wall street banks sachs, ripping off little guy, populous message what bernie os of sanders and Elizabeth Warren say. As president , he hasnt quite governed in the way he implied would. Of stocked Upper Echelon hissad min stragz with mnuchin, sachs g goldman executives, his health care to have ch looks failed, would take money and mostlyt toward tax cuts, for wealthy donors. The irony of trumps plight as won the is that he republican primary by running against and defeating, showing weakness of the standard republican policy ideas, but the white into house, he turned around and basically agreed to try to enact them. Say in the afterward of the book, take a stab at explaining gone so wrong so fast and if trump had done to the vision he put out on the campaign trail, ay for instance, begun with trillion dollar infrastructure plan, that would be truer to who a trump, a builder, put stamp on bridges and roads he uilt, he would have split the Democratic Party because the union base was supportive of trump and had he launched big infrastructure plan, it would of jobs, he a lot would be in a different wants to , instead he pass a Health Care Law that would have cost 15 to 23 Million People health care. He made a real mistake in taking the direction he has, but now hat he has a new chief of staff, hes tried to hit reset, maybe he can move things back in a more itself direction. Host go to joan, in rochester, minnesota, democrat. You are on the line. Caller thank you for cspan. Had heard on t. V. , on one of 2013,rograms, that back in bannon had proclaimed that he into run the United States the ground and work at destroying this country. I think were on a very bad path around those lines. Up a wall in mexico, of the e people out country, we are in isolationist position where the american are completely isolated from the rest of the world and of their goal. Host joan, go back, where did by bannon . E comments caller i wasnt it wasnt a was a by bannon, it comment made about bannon on t. V. What remember host okay. Caller what program it was, my mind and i think of trump and bannon as trump joel gray in caberet, going on for what is behind the scenes, which was the fascism, rise of fascism. Host talk about Steve Bannons influence. Bannon has been quoted saying, not that he wants but blowup e party, the political establishments of both parties, he has been reporter of the daily beat said bannon described lennonist, he wanted to blowup the system, that may be what the caller is referring to. That is accurate representation of what bannon thought he was doing in 2013, to give him credit, hes pretty much achieved that. He blew up the republican helping trump y win the republican nomination, not a single republican in washington wanted that to happen and the party resisted and resisted until the very last moment. And i think by virtue of the fact trump defeated hillary he has also to an extent blown up the democratic establishment. Washington, every clinton would ted be president. It is not clear what direction the party would take there is a of wouldnt call it civil war, but tug of war between the Bernie Sanders wing and mainstream establishment who are loyal, if not to Hillary Clinton specifically, to clintonism in a more modern Democratic Party and that zoo play out illy over the next three or four years as democrats try to unify the inee to party and defeat donald trump. Host catherine, mobile, alabama, democrat. Caller yes, i have a lot of questions for your guest. I book, i fully our intend to. First, id like to comment first think about it. The thing that worries me is, i as born in mississippi and raised from the 1950s and 1960s in alabama and mississippi, i have been seeing. For eight years i watched in orror, the first thing, why is the changing of the meaning of words become so easily done by media, like yall are alling you say fake news, people, it is just life, call it what it is. When people lie, they need to be out they are telling lies. The next thing is, you say that being re sick of politically incorrect. Ell, that just means they wanted to be rude and crude in the population. Enough enough . Hate, ang sxer rage, got pack of faerrel ogs i had to capture in the woods and my dogs had to be put down because they couldnt be a family of it was dogs that moved to my country property. All my life,d dogs i didnt want to deal with this figured the good lord gave it to me. The dogs are fine when they are okay, but when they are apart, they are calm, when work up together, they into a fever, that is what is happen nothing our population. okay guest let me stop you there, so i can tackle some of the questions before i miss them all. On the fake news, i dont think that is the media saying fake charge think that is the being lobbed at us by donald artisans, thetrump original meaning of the term fake news back in the Campaign News fab news, in dicated on websites macedonia and sent across or disillusionck people that something had literally t was propaganda. Donald trump appropriations the and applied to real stories and real news media he doesnt like, something taken up by republicans, by a lot of trump supporters. So its changed the meaning of term. As far as the willingness to call lies lies, i disagree on one, too. If you look at some reporting in the New York Times and have ngton post, they been doing wonderful work and evergone further than ive seen a mainstream journalism not using nd euphemisms and stating donald something. About begun ews chyrons have fact checking. Let readers and viewers know when something snt true that, is a development in the news media. Ost chyrons that says, President Trump says, and in disputes s, soandso the claim. Guest not just they dispute the see on s not true, you msnbc. One criticism of cable news, in and after the to Trump Administration was trump would tweet something that or make an attack that wasnt true and cable news producers would simply broadcast that tweet, leading readers or iewers to believe, especially if you have the sound turned off or you are in a cab, catching corner of your eye, what was being asserted was true when it wasnt true. Media has made a greater ffort to identify and call out misinformation when it happens. Host lets go to north carolina. There, a tching republican, good morning. Caller good morning. For josh is, this learned from the i about this through the guardian how cam bridge analytics and mercer and the own breitbart and i elieve mercer was largest private donor for trump. They describe what happened in brexit has a part of cambridge is propaganda,ss whatever, that is unleashed on a civilian population. That really worries me and still worries me. But, i guess my big question is, is the c involved cambridge analytics in big data . Guest great question. I actually have a chapter in devils bargain about robert mercer, the billionaire coc. E. O. Of renaissance technology, a hedge fund, a ajor donor to donald trump and especially to steve bannon, essentially Steve Bannons setting up a lot of different groups and one of the businesses that mercer invests in i believe is the u. S. Analytica, firm hat has become aggressively involved not just in brexit, but u. S. Politics and had data scientists embedded in the Trump Campaign. I did a story for business week the election, i trfulled with my colleague, eisenburg, foremost Political Data expert in ournalism and we were given access to the group, intersanctum of cambridge and were doing at they on the data science front. Hey have phd, and astro physicists and data cambridge syops, thatnot doing gets exaggerated, what they were polling sophisticated and data modeling, what that got book, is plain in the that it gave them a better to ght into who was going come out and vote and who trump voters really were. So confusing was flustering to pollsters and media, trump voters, trump republicans, had different raits than traditional mainstream Republican Voters had. Analytica modeled trump voters, how they differed from republican. Interesting, they cared about different issues, some cared more about gun control, about tax reform, they tended to be more rural, older traditional han Republican Voters. Because the cambridge folks nderstood this, they were better at targeting voters and getting them to come out to the than anyone really realized that they would be. On election day you suddenly have this mass polls of vast numbers of rural people, whiter folks, people who hadnt voted in elections for showing up to vote donald trump and that was something that most people just fact anticipate, but the they came out sited the election for donald trump. Host what about data and how the candidate donald trump speeches, hat in his kicked off the issues that each of the groups cared about, was Second Amendment moveing that to nafta, etcetera . Guest exactly. And large, voters were less concerned about traditional issues, hawkish foreign policy, an emphasis on aspects of free trade and a focus on cutting high end rates for the wealthy. None of those things did you donald trump on the campaign. What you heard instead was, we are going to be smarter about war we fight, which is base like, we are going to focus on iddle class and mainstream, bringing back manufacturing jobs, making America Great liked and thing they trump also i think embodied and cultural issues in a way that resonated with a way can voters and in that more washington centric like republicans, people marco rubio, jeb bush or paul do, couldnt connect with voters on a visceral level, the fact so many up in the polls defying expectations of people effective ows how trump was at understanding who his voters were, how to reach them. Nd how to activate host norfolk, virginia, marvin, independent caller, you are on with joshua green. Caller yes, i am i can never call donald trump our president what henited states for announced about his casinos and not want black people working in his casinos. Denied this country so bad that i think the Congress Needs to hold him down, like on the vote, for him to sign that paper with russia. Has to be done because too divided under this man. He is not a good person and the needs to sit down and speak to him. It okay, well leave there, marvin, joshua green, excerpt from an is new book, it is time for republicans like himself to stand up to the executive branch, to this president. Yeah, i mean, this is a kind of energy, this has been up beneath the radar elected ot of support ns who did not tru trump, but understood they were saddled him. He was their president and would try to make a go of it. Administration descended into chaos, as egislative agenda has gone off the rails and now failed with health care vote, a lot of these tell reporters like me, off the record or not for losing ion, that were our patience here, there is going to come a time, not there et, come a time when were going to break publicly with the flakes and i think book is the first high profile example of that happening and are two things im going to be watching for in the days ahead. Eks one is jeff flake back up these attacks with actual action . Does he announce im not going trumps items until he changes his behavior or does this or that . Question, will other people follow. Is this an issue where the dam party in g and the mass will move against trump or is an example of another what known as never trumpers during the campaign, somebody coming out and saying this, is unacceptable, who winds up basically being a lone voice in of wilderness while the rest the party keeps marching behind trump. I think that is the big open flake. N around host james, republican in south carolina. Caller hi. First of all, thank you for taking my call and you have a great program. It. Ove i look forward to reading the book. Want to touch on a couple of points here. One was i just heard one for ody blaming Trump Division of the United States and thats, you know, everybody their opinion, weve been a divided nation since the 1860s civil war and after the civil war, never stopped being a divided nation. Can see, by the numbers and the facts trump has lot, given the Democratic Party has done nothing to contribute to getting anything done, which i think both parties eally need to get in there and Work Together because when it is all said and done, were all americans. Ou know, forget being a democrat and independent or whatever party you want to be, american. Ill guest what i dont call political rocess of polarization in america, which campaign,ident in this has been moving steadily toward extreme since about the mid1970s. Of can go look at charts congressional leaders and how many people were in the center ersus the extreme and there is literally a parting there. Not inly donald trump is solely responsible for the divisions in our politics. Being said, the story i tell in devils bargain, steve particular, realize divisions were there and thought rather than bringing people could stock them, deepen them and thereby drive in the political process, people who become disillusioned in didnt think anybody politics represented their interest. That was an interesting strategy, it was different than what a lot of consultants were and ng for at the time wound up working. As far as the lack of democratic trump tion with the agenda, one reason for that is pursuingp, rather than a potentially bipartisan policy, ike big infrastructure plan that would build roads and ridges and give jobs to Democratic Union voters, for instance, he went instead and apart Barack Obamas signature achievement, he Affordable Care act, and democrats just arent going to they areard with that, not going to be bipartisan, they ave real policy interests at stake, they see under assault by likes of donald trump and steve the n, so i think one of potentially developments of the epublican Health Care Plan failing is that there are a lot of republicans and democrats about behind the scenes potential Bipartisan Solutions on Health Care Reform and in fac fact, Mitch Mcconnell said and as threat, if republicans cant vote through have are repeal, we will no choice but to work with democrats. The caller sounds like that and we maygood thing be heading in that direction. Host chris, jacksonville, north carolina, democrat. Caller thanks for taking my call. There, what mr. Green is say suggest gobblygoo, politics 101, everything is done parties, everything is done by Political Parties and the Republican Party that just of the Republican Party. The Republican Party is toxic so unlike therent areas, Democratic Party is consolidated. The Republican Party has areas and different opinions in it, they lost party. Of the republican steve bannon and donald trump are not political savvy, they smart, not the great inds he wants to portray them as and guest they beat everybody in your Republican Party, i mean, Republican Party is in chaos because they lost to a politicalbsolutely no experience, who is considered a joke and a punch line by in thedy in politics and Popular Culture and together, trump and bannon and this is a book, turnedin the out to be better analysts of both democratic and republican anybody in n washington. The absolutely destroyed Republican Partys preferred candidate en route to winning the white house. Think anybody can argue with any real sense they were influential, or maybe not in the white house in legislative sense, but certainly were in the election. Was, i believe, the greatest upset in u. S. Political history. To understand and give credit to people that pulled it off. Host at the white house now, traditional republicans as reince the inner circle, priebuss last book, other traditional republicans there and steve bannon still there, conway, other folks, the president cing most or does it change on daily basis and are they fighting with each other, the different within the white house . Guest one thing we learned about the trump white house, fighting against each other, maybe general kelly has come in and can impose order and calm down those interesting but i think that the traditional Republican Party is less represented in trumps inner circle and wasnt well with. Sented to begin you had Reince Priebus, a weak chief of staff. You had sean spicer, from the r. N. C. , although he was really a spokesman, wasnt a policy guy, them had any legislative experience. I think they were slightly the role as being liaisons to paul ryan, Mitch Mcconnell and the republican congress. Host Vice President mike pence . Guest Vice President mike pence probably the strongest tie to republicans in the house and senate, although even pence hasnt served in congress he came as hile, governor of indiana, hes liked and respected by everybody in has experienced to slative staff, in order succeed, have you to kind of manage around both the that trump himself seems to throw up on a pretty regular basis and also all the jockeying for position in trumps staff. The question of who he listens i think it changes from day to day. Days s ago, i guess 12 kushner, ivanka trump, his daughter, wanted to bring in scaramucci as director, Reince Priebus and steve bannon objected, they were overruled. Flash forward two weeks and the apparently is not listening to those two anymore, scaramucci his way, is gone, new white house chief of staff. I think it changes from day to day. From hour to hour, who trump is listening to what he does. Oing devils book, bargain steve bannon, donald trump and the storming of the pr announcer this friday, our profile of Administration Officials continues. , i prepare so much more than some of my mail colleagues. Well, i would to do well. Your listeners are so kind to tune in and i want to do a good job. I want them to feel it was worth their time to tune in and listen. I feel that way about everything i do. People are giving their time and attention. To live responsibility up to their trust in me. People have trusted me even know they may not have known me. I want to do a good job for them. Thats how you prepare for head of united labor, peace corps, transportation. I think transportation is a matter of being thoughtful and considerate. And, i do not like it when people come and they are not prepared. You know, because the time you spend with the principle is so precious. If you come to see the secretary you want herbal attention. You want her to know what youre talking about rather than having to explain. The its a pal is well prepared the discussion could be richer, more meaningful, more productive. It will be good use of the visitors time as well. I remember when i was on the outside and i would be so disappointed if the person i was seeing did not even know who i was, what mike background was. Go any, you if i know there are so many people who want to see me. They have been waiting maybe 15 minutes, maybe half an hour, maybe 45 minutes. I always make a point to know who they are, what their names are, with their titles are. They deserve that. I think that is respect i can. How them when i visit them so i try to be prepared out of respect for the person i am meeting. Announcer we will have more from that interview friday on cspan. Earlier, the president spoke to a group of Small Business leaders at the white house. He was joined by his daughter of vodka trump and linda mcmahon. Heres a look. [applause]