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Trump. Here is how to join the conversation. Send us a tweet if you like. We welcome your comments also on facebook. We will show you momentarily, some of the comments from donald trump last week, from Hillary Clinton and president obama. Starting with them reaction on the news side. They write that matt drudge of the conservative drudge report reacted to Donald Trumps speech last week in which donald trump touted nationalism while slamming Hillary Clinton and president obamas globalism suggesting that is the focus of the 2016 general election. Donald trump, we switched from americanism to globalism. When wetry lost its way stopped putting the American People first. The chamber of commerce reacted. Over the weekend, the president of the chamber had a broader oped hes. Here is the tweet shortly after that speech. Under Donald Trumps trade plans, we would see higher , fewer jobs, and a weaker economy. The wall street journal said it was Donald Trumps terror party. Nd his policy would hurt trade saying that donald trump offered some promising thoughts on tuesday. Too bad they were made in passing, near the end. Billed what his campaign as his signature economic message was the most detailed assault on trade by a president ial candidate since, we cannot remember. He wants to make republicans into the terror party. The comments from the wall street journal to Donald Trumps speech. On the issue of globalization, here is the New York Times talking about president obama. We will show you his comments from canada momentarily. It said when president obama travels to North Carolina and europe, he will press an argument that could be defining Foreign Policy in the last six months of his presidency but americans and europeans must not forsake their open and interconnected societies for the nativism and nationalism preached by donald trump or Britains Brexit supporters. Few president s have put more faith than mr. Obama in the power of words to persuade audiences to accept a complex idea whether it is a morality of a just war or the imperfect nature of american society. Countering the antiimmigration and antifree trade slogans in this Election Year will require all of the president s skills. President obama addressed this issue specifically. President obama this nostalgia about an era where everyone was working in manufacturing jobs and you did not need a College Degree and you could go in and as long as you worked hard, you could support a family and support a middleclass life, that has been undermined far more by automation than it has outsourcing or the shift of jobs to low income or lowwage countries. Industry it is producing as much as deal in the u. S. As it ever was. It just needs 1 10 of the workers than it used than it used to. This is why my pushback on both the left and the right when it comes to protectionism or youade arguments, is are right to be concerned about the trends but what you are prescribing will not work. There is a better way of doing this. The better way is countries laborurs that have high standards and high Environmental Standards and strong protection of intellectual property and rule of law we have got to get out there and help shape those rules so they will work for our workers and our businesses. Not, china will make the rules and they may not have the same regard for the values that we care about. Week president obama last at the north American Leadership summit. We ask you this week, where you follow on the issue of trade. Globalism versus America First. Here are your numbers. Ben jacobs of the guardian tweeted after that speech republican president ial nominee picks a fight with the chamber of commerce because of 2016. On the issue of trade, over the weekend, donald trump met with. He governor of indiana there are talks about who the likely republican Vice President ial candidate and the democratic Vice President ial candidate. Nafta supports flaunts bid. 1993, then representative Newt Gingrich turned the vote on the pending north American Free trade agreement, into a magic moment. A disparate economic boom in the u. S. Now, he is reportedly on the short list of candidates for donald trump. His claim his campaign on opposition to trade. To rape and calling it the worst trade deal in the history of the country. Let us go to your calls. Here is a wilson, North Carolina and tim on our independent line. Caller good morning. The 1992 racek in when ross perot was in and he warned us about this freetrade. Everything he said about it came true. He said we could not compete with these other countries because of their low wages. What this is is a way for the rich to get richer and other countries are doing it and we decided to do it so our rich people could get richer. It was a race to the bottom. I challenge cspan to him on the show. He needs to come on there and he deserves it. I know you have the tapes and i wish you would go back and play them. s father wasush in there, he spoke of the new world order and free trade and how it would bring jobs. This was originally published by the republicans. In, thel clinton got republicans sold it to the American People and we were brainwashed. But when they got into the debate, bill clinton jumped on the bandwagon with the free trade. Do all ofposed to these good things for america and it never did. Back. U guys never go all you have to do is play the tapes. We need to know who did this and who got this into the mess. It seems like you just push it knowand say we do not how we got here. Bill clinton did sign it but it was originally pushed by the republicans. He told us everything that would happen. I will get off pretty soon. Why this is is that our salaries and standard of living will go down. It will be a globalization where everyone will be on the same and are at a living. Host has it come true . Coming true now. Our standard of living is going down. Poorn china, and other countries, their standard of living is going up. America is making too much money. I appreciate your comments. I also want to turn you to our website. You talked about ross perot and those past speeches, all of that is available on our website. And on history tv, we have been running road to the white house every week. David is next in auburn, washington on the democrat line. Caller good morning. Agree withay that i president obama when he says that he would like to go back and be nostalgic for the time when everyone was working and making money and everyone was happy. Did theon was what working guy in. Automation did more to kill the working class then globalization. And i happen to agree with that. To a certain extent. Coming, and you saw that automation would cost jobs, what will you do about those lost jobs because people still need to work . What will you do about those jobs . We have heard nothing about retraining, lowering the price of college. You want to lower the Interest Rates for banks that i remember way back 40 years ago when my mother went to college. She went to the bank and she signed one loan for quach years at a state university. One loan and that was it. Now, you have to go every semester. What changed . We really should go back to that system. David thatre saying you have not heard eight any heard any of those policy proposals from donald trump. Caller or even from the president. Host on the manufacturing jobs, there is a piece in the New York Times. Globalizationt and rising imports, especially from china, has reduced the number of manufacturing jobs in america. Manufacturing employment in america has been reduced by one million. Completely eliminating trade deficit in manufactured goods would add 2 Million Manufacturing jobs. But america is a big place and total it total employment exceeds 140 million. Shifting 2 million workers back into manufacturing would raise that sectors share of employment back from around 10 to around 11. 5 . Inget some perspective, 1975, on the eve of the great surge in inequality, and you factoring accounted for more than 20 of employment. Mike from North Carolina, good morning. Caller it is a complicated issue. There is no easy answer. One thing that i would suggest, my background is in economics and i worked in american years,turing for over 20 we should sunset these trade agreements. Even the best economists and Business People and the most altruistic and noble politicians do not know the unintended consequences of these trade agreements. In general, i think they are good. Anything that encourages trade between countries is generally favorable. Some people will win and some will lose. I think these trade agreements should be sunsetted at maybe 10 years. Every 10 years, the current sitting congress and president have to revise them. Everyone comments today that these deals have caused problems but know when once to do anything about it because it is politically untenable and it is ugly, messy, and it will make people angry. But if it was sunsetted automatically, they would be forced to go back to the table. Mexico took a beating on this nafta deal also. We have lost a lot of jobs here in the united dates that mexicos agricultural economy, the small family farm, a lot of what is driving illegal immigration is large american sell theirs can now products into mexico and they can make it cheaper, package it, faster, andbetter, more efficiently than small mexican farmers can. A lot of small, rural mexican farmers could not make it any more. So they packed up and the breadwinner headed to the United States to get a job at a car wash or in a landscaping company. Ross perot was right in a lot of ways. It did suck a lot of american jobs of but it also sucked a lot of mexican jobs that fed into the illegal immigration problem. Host we appreciate that. This comes in reaction to a speech last week by donald trump in pennsylvania. We want to play some of that for you. Our wayrump we lost when we stopped believing in our country. America became the world dominant economy by becoming the worlds dominant producer. You know that from right here, right here in this plant. [applause] created, we share it broadly creating the biggest middleclass the world has ever known. But then america changed its policy from promoting development in america, in, in, in america to promoting development in other nations. And is what is happening that is what happened. We allowed Foreign Countries to subsidize their goods, the value their currencies, violate their agreements, and she in every way imaginable and our politicians did nothing about it. Trillions of our dollars and millions of our jobs flowed overseas as a result. I have visited cities and towns aross this country where third or even a half of manufacturing jobs has been wiped out in the last 20 years. Today, we import nearly 800 billion more foreign goods than we export. We cannot continue to do that. This is not some natural disaster. And is a political politician made disaster. It is a consequence of a Leadership Class that worships globalism over americanism. Host donald trump in pennsylvania last week. Following that up with some statistics. Americas middle class is shrinking. The typical American Family is earning the same today as in 1996. The majority of americans believe their children will be worse off. White men have fallen out of the job market. Looking for your comments on globalism versus America First. On twitter also. A couple of comments here. This one from dd cu tweeds that unlimited supplies of lowwage, third wage third world. Americanss, putting first. Blocked recovery, you have got to be kidding. Edwin tweeds, in all trade agreements, the other country puts their country first. To our democrat line, we listen to wilson. I will be 70 in october. Everf the places i have worked, i was a factory worker. What kind of worker were you . Caller i was in the manufacturing business. All of them are gone. Young, there were factories in america and where i lived and now we are down to one. That factory makes parachutes. We compete in the wrong way. We always have. After world war ii, [indiscernible] the answer is simple. Host let us hear from Richmond Richard in lake placid, florida. Happy fourth of july. One of the greatest days that the world has ever seen. Globalism is terrible for this country. I think heump has the right ideas all the way around. 200 50 corporations and businesses he has. He has created more jobs than all of congress and government put together. We dont need globalism. We have the manufacturing, the agriculture, the development, the engineering, the energy sources. We have it all here. Took ourlists companies and they taxed them so much and our jobs and they pushed them overseas. And now we have 94 Million People without a job living off government. Why we have all of these taxes and these companies have left the u. S. We just need to bring these companies back. And then we can make the economic rules. We have been losing out on the north American Free trade act and all of these other supposedly do. Is on our democrat line from greensboro, North Carolina. Caller donald trump is the most as president for the United States. I wonder how in the world he will bring back jobs when all of his jobs are overseas. He is doing nothing but selling the Republican Party out. I dont know why he is doing that but he is really a fluke candidate. I want to thank you and have a good morning and a happy fourth of july. Host same to you, julius. Caller good morning. Globalism, the concept is fine. I dont think anyone, even donald trump is afraid of globalism. But if you are talking about trade, what donald trump wants and what i want and i think that american wants is fair trade. Take the example of japan. When Japanese Cars came to the u. S. , they upgraded the automobile industry. Status of trade with japan today. They are restrictive and we are open. Let us be honest. The way than american politicians execute globalism is out of fear. Doy are afraid that if we not give away everything, they will not like us. Look at the chinese. They are extremely protectionist. What what do we do . Do we make any demand whatsoever from china . What have they given up . We have given up at our steel jobs, Electronics Jobs you name it. What have we demanded from china . And we have lost all of these jobs. And that is what donald trump is talking about. We make no demands on our trading partners. Globalism and trade fine, but we want fair trade. Equitable trading with our trading partners. If we give up something, they give up something. Host we welcome your comments on twitter also. Here is one from jaden. Free trade has taken on the character of our religion. It ignored are the negative effects to the economy. We also hear from jim who says why would we want a president who puts who does not put America First. Another attack in baghdad. The third mass of attack in days leaves 143 dead in iraq. As trauma done stretched past midnight into sunday in central baghdad where of iraqis had gathered to shop and be together, a minivan packed with explosives blew up and killed at least 143 people. The third mass slaughter across three countries in less then a week. The attack was the deadliest in baghdad in years, it least since 2009. The bombing coming barely a week after Iraqi Security forces backed by american airstrikes celebrated the liberation of falluja from the Islamic State which on was to responsibility for the attack. We will be talking more about isis and the liberation of falluja later in the program. Here is judy in gainesville, florida on our democrat line. Caller thank you for taking my call and happy fourth of july. I saw a 30 Minute Program on bill moyer with two journalists who work on trade policies and they have been researching the tpp, what they can see. That trade agreement is not available for the public, the entire agreement. That is really concerning. What they said on that program is that this trade agreement is primarily written by and for corporations. Problem with any free trade. For thet is written benefit of corporations and not for the benefit of the rest of the 99 , then i do have a problem. On ourudy, you are democratic line. How do you feel about Hillary Clinton . Sandersactually, bernie is by candidate. I am not really sure where Hillary Clinton is on trade. She was secretary of state when most of the tpp agreement was written. The democratic platform a protppis taking stance which really upsets me. It isdoes some if good, i do not know why it is not published. I would love cspan to have those reporters on who were on bill moyer. They bent they came across as very intelligent. They spoke about gmo not being an issue because this agreement not make labeling available. Vermont be able and other states will not be able to pass laws about gmo. Host gmo labeling. Judy, thanks for your comments. Bernie sanders did react to the platform committees work. In advancerial oped of that, democrats have to wake up was a headline in the New York Times. Bernie sanders route that we need to fundamentally reject our freetrade policies and moved to fair trade. Americans should not have to compete against workers in lowwage countries. We must defeat the Transpacific Partnership and help poor countries develop sustainable economic models. Hillary clinton last weeks oak in san diego not specifically on trade, but on americas role in the world. Here is some of what she had to say. Hillary clinton i believe in strong alliances and clarity in dealing with our rivals and a commitment to the values that have always made america great. And i believe with all of my heart that america is an exceptional country. Words,still in lincolns the last, best hope of earth. [applause] we are not a country that cowers behind walls. We lead with purpose and we prevail. If we do not lead to, we believe in vacuum and that will cause chaos or other countries will rush in to fill the void. Then they will be the ones making the decisions about your lives and jobs and safety and trust me, the choices they make will not be to our benefit. That is not an outcome we can live with. Hillary clinton last week in san diego. Back to your calls on globalism versus America First. Two lois on the republican line in North Carolina. Caller thank you for taking my call. I am and 85yearold retiree and the health care profession. Inn i was first married 1950, there was not one thing that i owned that was not made in america by an american. Co. Went to work every day. Paid their taxes. Had a greatthat, we infrastructure in this country, great schools. Companies started to send their products have their products made abroad and brought back into this country. You could go to the store and buy a shirt for 20. Right next to it was a shirt made in the middle east for 10. What did these workers who were making good salaries do . Cheap shirts and not one of the americanmade shirts. We have lost our industry in this country. Of course we should put America First, and everyone in america should put their country and their workers first. When you go to the store to purchase something ask, do you have one of these made in america . If they dont have one made in america, tell them you will come back when they do have one. They talked about the power of industry and corporations. None of that is as powerful as the citizens of this country when they get together and decide they are going to change something. One of the things we need to change in this country is to put America First hand with the workers and the people in America First. Thank you, bill. Happy fourth of july. Host same to you. David in sarasota, florida on the democrats line. Caller thanks to cspan from having washington journal. Im against the tpp. It does not protect laws we might make and other countries could sue the United States for damages. My idea would be to have whatever Bernie Sanders says about trade. We would go that way. I think we need to have a change in the tax code that allows for american corporations to move their factories and headquarters overseas. Their taxes to be paid every year and put away until they came back to the United States which will never happen. Thank you and have a good fourth of july. Host here is a piece from the New York Times. It ties into the issue of trade and protectionism. Inequality is feeding protectionism says imf chief. Free trade pact to been criticized by donald trump and Bernie Sanders. While she did not mention the american president ial campaign during her speech in frankfurt, a yawning gapsaid in individual fortunes have had perceptions that the cards of insect against the common man and woman in favor of elite. Inward, we just look what are we just hide behind our borders . Theset of protectionism answer to the reality of this interconnected world is not fragmentation, it is cooperation. History has told her time and time again that any of the rep would be a tragic course. Antonio is in boston on our independent line. Caller good morning everybody. They talk about the trade. There is no trade. Its a oneway trade. China is a nation of cheaper labor. They dont understand. We have to buy americanmade in this country. Just american. Forget other nations. Business with people who dont have any money. You have to give the money and then you have to we never win with china because it is cheaper labor. When you go into a store and try to buy american . Caller yes. I am a taylor. Tailer. I see a lot of seats made in china. I see a lot of shirts made in other countries. What is your take on the quality and the value of imported shirts versus something made in United States . Made in the United States is the best. Others are cheaply made and dont last long. You send it to the cleaners sometimes and they change the caller. I hope Hillary Clinton does not become president with all my heart. I have been in this country for 51 years. I hope she never becomes liardent because she is a and she is no good for america. She has a lot of money from other countries from cheaper labor. 1 the headline in the Washington Post looks of the trust issues and the Clinton Campaign for clinton trust issues. Hillary clintons interview with the fbi is a perfect symbol of was probably her biggest liability heading into the fall election. A lot of people say they do not trust her. Forset for an interview more than three hours as part of a Justice Department investigation into the privately owned email system she operated off the books. The timing was three weeks before she will claim the democratic president ial nomination. Its an attempt to make the best of the situation the public that for any candidate, but it is particularly damaging for secretary clinton. In waycross,lewis georgia on the republican line. Caller i believe if we invested heavily in the carbon fiber production, we can sell highvalue products to other countries and get our money back. Host explain that the us a little bit. Caller lets take the highway infrastructure. You have guardrails that are made out of galvanized metal. He replaced the guardrails with carbon fiber. Your traffic lights. If you run into a steel pole or get pushed into a steel pole, you have 2000 pounds of Steel Holding up a traffic light that weighs 10 pounds. These are the things we need to do. We can sell that step overseas for big money. Carbon fiber is very expensive. And that is the way we need to go. Host thanks for sharing that. We are talking about globalism versus protectionism. Its more broadly just United States. Looking at the recent vote in the u. K. To leave the European Union. A look at the atlantics piece. Coulter is replacing class as the key political divide. On both sides of the atlantic and the u. K. And the United States, Political Parties are realigning and allegiances are shifting. When United Kingdom voters last week narrowly approved a referendum to leave the European Union the underscore they underscored how an era of unrelenting demographic change the shifting the axis of politics across much of the industrialized world from class to culture. Contrary to the initial speculation, the victory for the leave campaign did not point towards victory in the u. S. President elect and for donald trump who was voicing similar arguments against globalization and immigration. The british results underscore the obstacles facing his agenda of defensive nationalism and vastly more diverse u. S. Electorate. David ambassador, osullivan was asked after the vote on the impact of that vote. Here is some of what he had to say. [video clip] the consequences of the financial crash, the pain and suffering which is been felt by many people. The families in our economies. The recovery is underway but it is partial and uneven. Not everyone feels they are benefiting from the recovery. This am afraid is a common theme to be found all across the countries of europe and i hear it mentioned here. The challenge of politics is to respond to it and respond in the right way. I think most of us would argue that reducing trade, closing borders, closing doors to immigrants is not the right way. It would be counterproductive. But we have to persuade people we can address their concerns without those kind of measures and that will be a challenge. Host from last weeks washington journal. Marion richard in marion, ohio. Discussion,resting an important discussion. I dont think one answer is going to do it all. I think we do have oneway trade with japan and china. And they steal our information over the internet in every which way they can. That makes it very imbalanced. Weve got to get our economy going. We were doing the same thing in jimmy carters time. Was horrible until laffer put his curve in and we got more output from taxes. Every time they add 1 trillion, they should do a 1 trillion budget cut. If they do that we wont have the problems as much as the trade running with the wrong way with the dollar. Florida andto johnny is on the democratic line. Caller good morning. I would like to agree with the 85yearold lady that there are many things made in america. When you go to the store when i go to the store i checked my products. If it is made in the usa, i buy it and if not, i dont buy it. I would also like to say to the people who believe so strongly in trump, he had a chance to have his items made in the usa that he chose other countries. Buying he was making in other countries could have been made and were being made in the usa. One other comment i would like to make for the people that what is the name running against hillary . Host for donald trump . Caller no. The other host Bernie Sanders . Caller Bernie Sanders. For all the people that believe we can pay for all the kids to go to free college when he compares to the other country, they should realize those other countries they are smaller than our states. Even paris, one of our states compared to texas, there is no way the west can pay for all the kids to go to college free. Host Congress Returns tomorrow. The senate is back as well. Headlining the washington times, pelosi calls gop bill to block guns from terrorist toothless. The house is scheduled to vote this coming week on a bill that stops suspected terrorist from buying firearms from gun dealers as part of a new antiterrorism package. It is based on legislation written by senator john cornyn that would grant the attorney general the power to hold gun sales from the three days for anyone suspected of terrorist connections. That will get a vote this week in the u. S. House. We will show you some comments a piece this morning in the Washington Post about oklahoma enhoff jim and half after Weather Forces and the land is playing. Severe weather forced senator inhofe to land at a airport in oklahoma. He was out flying sunday evening when weather forced in the land , abouth them ketchum 70 loss northeast of tulsa. From brianre calls in michigan on the independent one. Caller thankscaller . It is never been one of the other. We voted nafta, the first leg of globalization. Foras written bipartisanship between the democrats and republicans. They are both guilty of it. We cannot compete with the wage. It is not the tax rate as republicans like to say or even say. Trump trump likes to it will always be the wage. That is the part we cannot compete with. Other adjustments have to be made. We know in this line of thoughts but we only look at two options, one or the other, a simplistic approach. We also notice in the globalization comes hand in hand, it seems to be in the democrats wont talk about it openly is open borders. We will not be a sovereign country. We can do both, we just have to use our heads. This is not as hard for it isnt one or the other. Host al on the independent line . Caller i think everybody is missing the simplest part of the question. It is not about free trade or fair trade, its about equal trade. If you can implement equal trade, which is simple to do. No taxes or tariffs involved. Thealso need to encompass corporate patriot trade act. That needs to be in from linda did implemented before anything else. Host appreciate your comments. Next up we will hear from longtime political analyst terry clifty of cnn and eleanor to talk about campaign 2016, globalization, the concept of freedom on this fourth of july. Later on the Hudson Institute michael pregent will join us to discuss what is next for iraq and the war against isis after recapturing fallujah. 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Caller happy fourth guest happy fourth the human everybody. Host we spent the first hour talking about trade, globalism. Issue. Y Major Political not just political issue but major issue in this campaign. Did either of you expect that to happen . Guest i have been expecting it since 1992. [laughter] really when ross perot made a pretty big splash on the political scene when he talked about passage of nafta. That if that were passed, we would hear this giant sucking sound never be jobs going to mexico. And ross perot for a time when the polls in june of 1992 ahead of incumbent president george h. W. Bush and bill clinton. His issues, trade, the deficit really kind of helped set the table for the next decade. Bill clinton been balanced the budget and i became the primary issue. Newt gingrich had a contract for america. John mccain had campaignfinance reform. All those issues grew out of the perot campaign. Trade has been this festering grievance for the last 2030 years. Ofhink the parties of kind reverse positions on it now. You have a democrat establishment for trade and republican establishment for trade, but the bases are opposed. Host on the issue of the republican establishment, we read a couple of tweets and articles from the wall street journal reacting to Donald Trumps speech on trade. That is not fitting in with the typical republican approach to trade in the past. Guest same thing with abraham lincolns approach to trade. It does not surprise me at all the traders become an issue in this election. If you look in the long run, is very definite trends in the United States and u. S. Economy that affect workingclass people. The Median Household Income in net states peaked in 1999. People in the latest year they had a lower14 Household Income than it did in 1999. Manufacturing jobs peaked in the 1970s. Population,h bigger a bigger labor force by fewer people working in manufacturing. One of the things president obama has proposed to sign and congress is not approved it yet is the Transpacific Partnership deal. Some people want to say this is a free trade deal. What is the Transpacific Partnership deal . Preamble to the partnership and says it recognizes the legitimacy of state owned enterprises. Was sort of free trade deal recognizes legitimacy of Stateowned Enterprises . What the Transpacific Partnership does is it creates a trade zone along 12 nations, but also including the communist government of vietnam. They are a great many state owned enterprises. The question americans have to grapple with is can we have free trade with communist regimes . The fact we have a constitution and society were people play on an equal level playing field, do we want to put American Workers and competition with workers in a state that is run by a communist government . I think those are very real issues that may affect people in their everyday lives. Host that is a piece of the democratic platform they have not nailed down yet. It seems like the satisfaction and the party still very much opposed to it. Guest i think more Worker Protection is probably needing to be included. I think trade is a scapegoat for a lot of the other changes in society. I think president obama has basically said automation or technology has transformed manufacturing a lot more than trade policies. But Government Policies have worked to the road the purchasing power of the middle class. They were to a road the power of unions. There are a lot of culprits here. I think it is kind of easy sometimes for the politicians to just pick on one and say these Government Policies. Notou live in a world every regime is going to have the same ideology as the u. S. Saying we should be fearful of vietnam because they have stateof enterprises is a silly argument. Guest we should look out for the interest of the American People. Constitutiony the one of the demands at some of the states had was the bill of rights. Aside from dissecting the freedom of religion and speech and press, different the freedom of assembly. A labor union is in fact an exercise of the First Amendment right for the freedom of assembly. Americans have a constitutional right when dealing with a Large Corporation or any other employer to form a group to negotiate what sort of wages and benefits they can have. We have that all across the country because we understand it is a fundamental right. You can like with 80 were not like it, but they have the right to do it in people have the right to form the organization. Chinaunist regime in and vietnam they dont have it right. When you look at the constitution of the United States, one of the things the founders did was they created a free trade sound within the United States where people have the same rights protected, for government was limited, and where people can engage in commerce is free people. You cannot engage in free commerce of the communist regime. Governor quinn here to talk about politics, president ial politics. We are talking about globalism and trade issues. 202 7488000 for democrats. 202 7488001 four republicans. All others, 202 7488002. You can set is a tweet. Terry jeffrey. You wrote a piece about america becoming more or less free. If you tie this into the trade,ts mainly against have trade deals made us less free . Guest guest i think in some circumstances but that is not what im writing about. You are looking at president obamas time in office. Are the american more or less free than they were eight years ago . What i argue is there is one indicator that clearly shows freedom has been diminished in the United States in the last eight years. That is with the passage in upholding of obamacare. Why do i argue obamacare is diminished the freedom of the American People . For the first time in the history of our country the federal government is demanding, wording, mandating people buy a product the government says is good for them. That was upheld in a convoluted, chock to victory contradictory opinion in the Supreme Court. Only buy Health Insurance we have this regulation promulgated says the Little Sisters of the poor case and hobby lobby that dealt with employers people have to buy egs,rance that covers drg even if they violate their moral and religious beliefs. That is the second way First Amendment rights are fundamentally diminished by obamacare. And by expanding medicaid and providing subsidies after ordering everybody to buy health , they have expanded the number of people in United States dependent on government. Rgue when you arent are depended on government you diminish your freedom. You are dependent on them rather than being selfreliance in your freedom is diminished. Our freedom has diminished because of obamacare alone. Guest i could use a lot fewer words is a white obamacare actually enhances equals freedom. You are not free if you are threatened with going bankrupt. Not being able to before the care you need. Pay, thisg people to is how insurance works in this country. You want to drive a car, you have to have insurance as well. Is a signaturere achievement of this president. Something that every president going back sought to Teddy Roosevelt. Host the conventions are a week away. Lets talk with Eleanor Clift about Hillary Clinton. You talked about her breaking the glass ceiling. This is the kind of fun and manage achievement that make you wonder if he steps into a broadway play. Women found their voices during the Womens Movement of the 1970s, the Civil Rights Movement in the 1960s and beyond. And the Antiwar Movement of the 1960s and 1970s. While clinton has her flaws, she was on the front lines of all this social change, especially when it came to women and girls. Its been a tough weekend for Hillary Clinton, interview with the fbi. How do things stand for her now . Guest i think affect the fbi interviewed her indicates they are breaking their investigation to an end. That needs to be resolved. Fighting the media narrative that she is untrustworthy. If i hear the word media narrative one more time i think it should be retired, along with the word pivot. Will donald trump give it to be more station statesmanlike . People dont trust hillary to do or not to do, and set of this catchphrase. She has been in public life for 20 or 30 years. She has been on the front lines of every one of those movements i referred to in the piece i wrote. I have watched her as a journalist. Make a lotseen her of correct decisions, a lot of strong decisions on behalf of all the issues i really care about. I think she is wellpositioned to be the next president of the United States but it will be a rough three months. Host what does donald trump have to do . We talked about some of the mainline republicans upset on his position on trade. What does he have to do the ring the party in line . Guest he has a lot of problems trying to bring the Party Together around him, and not all of it is based on issues. Some is based on temperament, based on things, ridiculous things he has said during the campaign. He has got his work cut out for him. Example, ank for issue is profoundly important and people need to trust donald trump is the abortion issue. These to be propartialbirth abortion. He moderated that mother time he was running for the republican president ial nomination. Thenys he is prolife and he says he wants to water down the republican prolife plank. Thats a very profound issue that as a candidate donald trump is out of step with the Republican Party. Thats a fundamental right, the right to life. I think a lot of people would want to note is this person going to advance the right . We are celebrating the declaration of independence this is all and are endowed by their creator with the right to life. Does donald trump believe that an advance that causes president of United States . Guest i think the new service you work for, what does cns stand for . And editorial, position guest we are 100 prolife. Voting fornk people donald trump dont seem to care about the social issues as much of the Republican Party has in the past. I think this not only true of the abortion issue, its true of samesex marriage. I would argue that he may be moving the party on those issues to a place where its more competitive nationally. Host lets hear what the viewers have to say. We hear from elaine in clearwater, florida. Good morning. Caller good morning. Say andave one thing to it is please, the people of the United States, go to the library and get a copy of the new world order and read it. You will know exactly what is happening to our country and to the world. It will scare you. It will actually scare you. Host what is it that scares you . Caller everything that you read. Brussels. Why does everyone over there have to have brussels permission to do anything . This is what is going to happen. We will have one leader controlling the whole world. People better be aware of this and get the book and read it and you will understand. Host you mentioned rustles. Lets tighten the brexit vote. Is there a connection between the way the people in the u. K. Ared and the way voters going to vote here . Guest successful explication of fear issues. Leavee campaign the campaign spread the rumor that turkey would become a member of the eu and they would be forced to take people from this muslim nation. I think it were a lot of fear tactics. Side,k that he remain when they pointed out the economic repercussions of are likely to occur, they were accused of spreading fear when in fact they were introducing some facts into the discussion. You have four Million People signing a petition after the vote saying they really did not know what it was about. They had a high number of people googling what is eu . the media has a responsibility in trying to correct misstatements when they are made. Actually introduce facts into a discussion. And not just spread catchphrases that politicians use to exploit peoples fears. Guest i dont believe the majority of the people in the they werebelieve voting for selfrule and sovereignty. What they see in the eu is a concentration of power outside of the national boundaries, outside of their own political tradition. And a consolidation of power in brussels that essentially is undemocratic. They wanted to bring sovereignty and selfrule back into the u. K. I believe that is what they are voting for. We will see as they move forward that is what they are trying to do. Host hampton, virginia, carlton . Cspan andd morning, happy fourth of july. I called because i wanted to say im an american. I am an American Fighting man. One of the best fighting forces on the face of the earth. I wanted to say this morning on the fourth of july, i wanted to say our strength is our diversity. Not bullets. Happy anniversary. Happy Independence Day. And miss eleanor, you are right on the money. God bless you. Guest thank you. Host there was a headline this morning in the Washington Post about Hillary Clinton. They Campaign Works to show the image of her as untrustworthy. Journal wall street poll about the disconnect with voters about sharing values between candidates. They talk about donald trump and Hillary Clinton. Do they share the same values as voters . Number ofly high people saying the candidates, both Hillary Clinton and donald trump do not share their values this year as opposed to previous years going back to mitt romney and Hillary Clinton to barack obama where people save the candidate to share their values. What is going on here . Guest that is one of those broad polling questions. What kind of values . The story in the post that he fit is a story about donald trump spreading a tweet that had a star of david and how it played into some antisomatic ever talked about donald trump in his charitable contributions. He claims a lot more than tax returns show he is actually forgiven given. What values are rebalancing here . Again, we take these shorthand answers to polling questions. If you ask me does Hillary Clinton share my values . My values on what . Public policy . People should separate the personalities. These are heads of parties. They are political figures. They will be representing positions carried forth by their parties. If you care about climate change, gun safety, gun rights, you ought to be able to clearly decide between the two parties. I dont think we have seen an election in a long time for the differences between the two parties are a stark as they are on the issues. With the Supreme Court control also in the balance. Guest i would point out that today we are selling the signing the declaration of independence. I think the decoration in its preamble stated the founding values of the United States. To government had answers the laws of nature and if not, it was not a legitimate government. In our history the Founding Fathers many of them did not comply with his values. The word uniting principles towards which the United States tried to move. I think through much of our history people in our government and our society tried to that are our nation so we can more perfectly comply with those principles. But now there are people that completely reject that idea. The natural law idea was that its a law that does not comply with the National Natural law is an unjust law. I feel america is moving away from that. A foundingding principle of our country. Guest i dont think its so weird peoples attitudes are towards the founding mothers. Guest people have come from all over the world to this one nation. One of the things that needs to unite us is that founding principle. That founding principle is correct. We adhere to that founding principle and we will have a just society. His immigration what is issues you are enunciating . Guest immigration should be legal and there should be a rational policy. We should not have a government that refuses to enforce our sovereign border. I do believe the declaration of independence is a principle the American People must adhere to if we are going to remake united as a people and have a just society. We turn our backs on that and we turn her back some being a just society. Host wayne from myrtle beach, south carolina. Could you name me something that can sway me towards Hillary Clinton . Could you name one thing she has done, a bill she has sponsored or anything in the last 30 years . Guest were talking letter senate career, she works very successfully with a number of people across the aisle on representing people in new york after 9 11 and getting them the Health Benefits they needed. She worked on getting childrens Health Insurance. She was very highly regarded when she was in the senate. On a personal level, if you talk to anybody who had any personal dealings with Hillary Clinton, they will tell you this is a woman who is very loyal, delivered, hard worker. It,eliver it, deliver hardworking. I think you Strong Family values. Host mary other democrats line. Caller good morning. Happy fourth of july. I would like to make a point on two things. I did not retire this year because i could afford the insurance i would have to pay. I am a teacher so if fairly decent insurance coverage. I cannot afford to retire. My husband is significantly younger than i am. I cannot afford to go. My pension was very low the too high for me to afford an affordable insurance. Obamacare for me to not work at all. Secondly i would like to talk bernie hasg said about the tpp, his point about why the tpp should not be allowed, him here. It will allow corporations to challenge any law that would adversely impact of future profits. Most of these claims deal with challenges to environmental laws and a number of countries. Tpptt people make the will give corporations the right to sue. This would be heard in international tribunals, by passing domestic courts. It is terrifying what they could do. Endd and home rule home rule. That would be totally knocked out by the tpp. I find this terrifying. Thank you very much. Host the headline in the inquirer in philadelphia, maybe she was reading from the oped published in a number of papers. We will start with Eleanor Clift. What prominent affect you think Bernie Sanders candidacy is head of the Democratic Party . Guest i think he has touched a nerve with the party. The base of the party wanted to midst of all the left wanted to move to the lesser of wanted to move to the left about this issue of inequality. Think that has grown stronger since then. To thesee has spoken issues and Hillary Clinton has basically adopted them. It is not like she is opposed to the 15 an hour wage increase, to making college more affordable. She would not go as far as he to make all public colleges free. Practical is more trying to look at what you get through a divided congress. I think he has energized the and keeping the base energized going into the election is critical because that is the coalition that elected barack obama twice with over 50 , which is the strongest majority any democrat has gotten for some time. To bring these folks to the polls again, i think Bernie Sanders these at a prominent place in the democratic lexicon going into november. It is tricky the way that is being worked out now but i am confident in the end he will come on board. Host we will ask Terry Jeffrey the same thing. The changes to the Republican Party that donald trump has brought . Guest i dont know he is but any public permanent change to the Republican Party. With the onepset party establish and washington, d. C. Anye wasnt really fundamental conflict between the white house and the Republican Congress in the past year. It all sort of rolled along as status quo. Many republicans the us would like to agree to this tpp for example. I think in the rise of trunk there is tremendous frustration with what was seen as the unity in washington, d. C. , not conflict in washington. I think the most remarkable thing about Bernie Sanders is that a president ial candidate who calls himself a socialist to gain so much traction in american president ial elections. Socialism means government ownership. What i believe is the more socialism you have, the more people are dependent on government. The less free they are. People are dependent on government for fundamental aspects of their life. There are other people that are productive and work and pay for it. It is every distribution of wealth. One of the thing weighing down of the standard of living and working for americans want to be selfreliant is the governments desire to transfer wealth they produce and earn to other people who dont produce and earn. Host lets hear from wayne, michigan. Justin on the republican line. Caller thank you for taking my call. I had a few comments. I often times think about the period between the civil war and world war i. That time was the most prosperous time in the history of the United States. Yet we had no income tax, virtually no government programs, virtually no federal regulations. And the trade deal we made were a lot better for the u. S. Back and they are now. I want to know the panels think about that sort of a thing. If we return to a federal government that operated in the same way the operated in the late 1800s, that created more wealth and more of a verizon income as a percentage than any other period in world history. The actual earnings and the income of the ordinary man increased more during that period of time than any other period in history. Why cant we return to that . Why cant we return to the same sort of policies increase the same sort of wealth and things created during those times . A lot of the charitable organizations and a lot of the hospitals we know, john hopkins for example, were founded in established during that time. Host thanks for the comment. Guest we do not have penicillin than. We did not have computers. We had a population that was a fraction of the size of today. That is what i would call extreme nostalgia to go back to the early 1900s. What you see today is a lot of nostalgia that goes back to the 1950s and the 1960s. Chickenld war ii where in every pot, everybody was working, people were having lots of babies. It was a very optimistic time. As president obama points out, that was not great for everybody. The Civil Rights Movement was preCivil Rights Movement, africanamericans were not living such a great life. Women were excluded from universities, from jobs. They were secondclass citizens. The 1950sk back at and 1960s with this taligent, that is not something we can repeat today either. We need to understand that we live in a modern, globalized world and you have to write the rules of benefit everybody. There are winners and losers. You have to make darn sure you have strong protections for the people who are left out in a globalized trade world. Guest eleanor is right about civil rights. Proclamationion freed the slaves and its a 100 years to get the civil rights act. And full rights for women in the United States. I think the call it does have a point in the constitution was written the federal government haveot have the power to it individual income tax on people and you had no welfare state. The federal government was understood to be limited with the amount money they can bring in. It was one of the things the framers put on the federal government. They did not have a federal welfare state until the 1930s under roosevelt. Thatperiod through that period in American History the government the creation of an unlimited ability on the part of the federal government to tax people is not a good thing. Host atkinson, North Carolina. Mike is on the independent line. Caller happy Independence Day. I have two points. They have mentioned one of the Biggest Barriers to trade his wages. Wage ofhas a minimum has aros and australia 16 minimum wage. Labor is a commodity like anything else. When the gas is plentiful, the gas is cheap. When it is not plentiful, it is expensive. ,ack when reagan gave amnesty there were laws instituted to protect American Workers. The federal government has turned a blind eye to that. Another issue i would like to point out. Kudos to the lady about the new world order. I heard a general and on your i googled that ended up in my eyes. Echoed by, from an earlier caller about the 1930s and the new world order. I will read part of this piece from the wall street journal. He did a piece last week on the 1930s echoing in todays politics. He wrestled lesson of 2016 so far is that resentment from the deeper section that began in 2007, the financial collapse of 2008 means painful enough that they compel voters across the industrialized world to make choices that once wouldve seemed implausible. Some 13 million americans voted for donald trump in the primary and 12 making for Bernie Sanders. Both were marginal figures before this year and their message once wouldve been considered well out of the mainstream. In europe parties of the socialist left and nationalist right are enduring burst of popularity and in some cases actual power. About howa little bit donald trump is changing the party. Is he on to something here . Guest i think he has touched a nerve. We have seen in europe a nativism and a xenophobia and antisemitism down in. On some of his days really is a scary figure. Have a lot of mainstream republicans looking at him and saying, look, they cant support him. He is someone who is really not qualified to lead this country. I have never seen that within a party. I have lived long enough that i saw some democrat elites not fond of John Mcgovern when he ran in 1972. But i have never seen a party reject so wholeheartedly the man who is going to lead them into the convention and potentially who could lead this country. Host lets hear from janice in plymouth, massachusetts. Caller that is plymouth, michigan. Host my apologies. Caller thats all right. I remember you back when you were with human events. What is the name of your organization now . Guest cnsnews. Com. Caller i was curious when eleanor asked you with the letters stood for and you said cyber, i think choose what he did hear the word christian. I have noticed eleanor. I watch the Mclaughlin Group every sunday. Eleanor is holding yourself back today, but usually i have noticed little bits of it. She laughs. She uses laughter which is one of the rules for radicals to diminish the point that her opponent is making. We are on to that kind of thing finally. We have learned a lot in the last seven and a half years. There are 200 days to go before obama is gone. You forrey, i do salute the fight and first saying you are prolife, which has become a dirty word. And hurling out terms like nativism and xenophobia does not make it so. We dont feel we are xenophobia towards refugees. Ordered and an verifiable way to keep track of people who come into our country, to make sure that the racism of the left saying that people from Central America can only do cleaned out toilets in hotels or pick fruits and fields because americans wont do it. I think that is a racist thing to say. Host Terry Jeffrey, any comment . Guest i think the lady makes some good points. Host Eleanor Clift . I thought cns was pat robertsons. Guest he is cbn. Host ralph on the democrat line. Im a uaw member from upstate new york and i would talk about international trade. And the role that the good role the government plays in our lives. For workers who lost their jobs with the misguided trade agreements, you can find yourselves on both sides. When you are working you are either producing and needed help and government giving trade adjustment assistance to go back to school you are on the receiving end. Government does play a good role to help people get back on their feet and get the education. I would like your guests to comment on the roles people do play in their lives. And sometimes on the receiving end and back on the producing and. I thank you. Guest he is asking for roles . Host the role of government in helping educate people. He was a uaw worker. Guest i see. I think government plays a positive force in our lives. Ds wething from the roa drive on, the air we breathe, the food we eat, the fact you can get health care coverage. Maybe it is too expensive and some of it needs fixing but i think the government has stepped in with people need help. We have Senior Citizens who are impoverished. They would end their lives impoverished before we had Social Security. I dont see a lot of people even who subscribe to your views about freedom and sovereignty who are willing to give up their medicare or Social Security in order to be more independent. Stand. Not where i forcedwhen a person is to pay the payroll tax or Social Security and medicare, they expect the government to deliver. Guest they get a lot more back. Guest we are heading towards bankruptcy among other things. It is a subsidiary. Something andn do can take care of their children, the family should take care of their children. And the states come in attorneys or the authority of the family to take your the children, it is wrong. When a community can take care of it, the local community can take care of it. This is a principle the founders understood. Its part of the system of checks and balances. And what we have is a concentration of power in this town among people who dont necessarily know whats going on in local communities or families. Power should be returned back to the family, back to the local community, back to the state and not concentrated. Host a tweak here from mike says, the World Manufacturing industries do not start to recover from world war ii until at least 1955. Until at least 1955. And certainly the uaw was a bit part the recovery from the 1950s19 70s. Our states making it more difficult . Or is the federal government making it more difficult . You talked about this earlier. Guest no. People have the right to assemble or not assemble. I dont have to join your union. If you are a teacher and they say you must join the union and pay dues, and then they use that politicians, a prolife feature say you could never cooperate with the destruction of human life but you are forced to pay money to an organization that is dedicated to advancing the cause of abortion. You cannot be compelled to join a union or pay fees to a union. Legislate andt protect people from being forced to join a union are doing the right thing. Host Eleanor Clift . Guest unions have lost a great deal of power. At score break in set of motivating rebellions in both parties. So i think that may be a positive thing that will come out of the election, people cleaning of unions. Host we are here with our guests, Eleanor Clift of the daily beast and Terry Jeffrey from cnsnews. Com. Caller i have a couple of comments i would like to make about Hillary Clinton being trustworthy. I dont even know where to begin. From the moment they came into the white house, trade, iill, as far as lost my first job to being outsourced in 1988. And they dont need trade to move a job out the country. I lost my second job to 2003. Rcing under ast being said, as far benghazi and Hillary Clinton, what happened in benghazi was a tragedy. But it was nothing of her doing. It is all a conspiracy. As far as Bernie Sanders who is Bernie Sanders . I neverrd for him heard of him until he ran for president. That once again, they are trying to move a cool on her. Bill ints hear from new mexico on the democrat line. Caller good to see you. On Terry Jeffreys mention of the cut situation. Let me take the first three words. We the people. It can be applied to raise. The constitution was written with the 13 colonies. It can be applied just for them or it could be employed for all of us. Written,me it was black men were considered one quarter human. Women were considered property. Indigenous first nation people were considered savages. All the people does not apply in the constitution. Mentioned, you states that it was a government thing. Socialist and also jewish. Host do you feel like the constitution speaks to you now . Caller no, it doesnt. The constitution at this stage allows slavery. Host reaction . Gets into the date as to whether because it usually is a living document or whether it has to be interpreted with modern times. We couldnt imagine a u. S. Congress that wouldnt hold a vote on every thing that came before it. And they couldnt imagine a million over 300 guns, that is different from the standing militia. Right have people on the to our originalists and they want everything interpreted literally. I would not be in that camp. The constitution it was done with the bill of rights. Which was ratified by the states. They amended the constitution to prohibit slavery which was the right thing to do, it should have been there from the beginning. And then there was equal protection of the law within states, which many states did not adhere to. And that was ratified by the states. That is built in. Yes, but we havent had a constitutional amendment for some time because it is such an onerous process. There are some who want that to overturn citizens united. I think that will be taken care of if the democrat wins the white house. And then it will be gone. The Senate Judiciary committee, when they try to reverse citizens united, ted cruz fought the language as an amendment to that bill. So if you want to amend the constitution to restrict the freedom of speech, it could should be difficult. The idea that five justices on the Supreme Court can restrict the freedom of speech of the American People and the free exercise of religion is outrageous. Guest money is not a speech anymore than people. It could also go the other way. In this country we respect the Supreme Court even when we disagree with it. For example, the Supreme Court could be profoundly wrong. They say someone could be first to take affirmative action, contrary to their religious belief. Guest you have one view on reproductive rights but many people have other views. Guest but they are wrong. Host lets get back to calls. Lauren is on the republican line. Go ahead. Jeffrey,r. Terry donald trump gave a rally here in manchester, New Hampshire last thursday. If he was with me in my opposition to the murdering of unborn babies being legal and his answer was i am behind you, i am with you. That would clarify your comments that he has been ambiguous on the abortion issue. Guest i would like to see him make a systematic and rational like he has tried to make on other issues. He did water down the prolife claim. At every convention there are people who would like to change the republican platform. And donald trump wants to water it down. Host so do you think he is aking the Republican Party in different direction, a more liberal direction . Guest if he were able to take the party, he would. A matter what, there will be constituency in this country for protecting godgiven rights. I believe that it because it is so rooted, people stand up and it is in the right to life. Some politicians dont want to act on it. On a party that turns their , it is the right to life so fundamental. The sympathetic position is that abortion should be safe, legal and prayer. And i think that legal and rare. Host good morning to derek. Aller i wanted to make comment about what Eleanor Clift said to the gentleman who called in about the prosperity of the preworld war i era. Siting of the things that was decidedly wrong. With the gentleman was talking about, i think, is that americans, individually are much toe prosperous and free prosper when government is small and limited. That the lackgree of womens rights was wrong. We agree that the treatment of blacks and minorities precivil rights was wrong. The gentleman isnt talking about that. ,nd what that seem to do is when we make the case that leads toovernment prosperity, they always pick out something that was incorrect. But that is not what we are talking about. Ited and small government there are things wrong in every europe and we need to fix those at the state level. Education, defense, Economic Growth and the list goes on. If Hillary Clinton is elected, how difficult will it , afor her to have her view more expansionist view, of government. Guest if Hillary Clinton is elected, there is a good chance that the senate will go democratic. And i think the house, if donald trump turns out to be an electoral disaster, the house could be in play but we will set that aside. With Chuck Schumer as a leader, Bernie Sanders returning to the senate, Elizabeth Warren as a strong figure. Hillary clinton has a history of working across the aisle. She is aware that needs to be done. If she wins the white house, one of the first thing she will do is call and the Republican Leaders with the democratic leaders. She doesnt want to make the same mistake that obama did in assuming that bipartisanship would just happen. You have to really work for it. So i think there is a chance of making incremental change work in terms of things like college tuition, may making fixes to the Affordable Care act, Immigration Reform that is big. I think she will look to see if she can get republicans to work with her on that. If the republicans lose the white house again, they may be obstruct fort just quarter years. They might be willing to show leadership. 1976, with newsweek Terry Jeffrey, your Campaign Experience goes back to 1992. Take that on. If the republicans lose and donald trump loses, what does the party look like . Guest i honestly dont know. Issues. There are key i think the last caller was exactly right. Stance shows limited government. But trust the American People in the sense that when they are left alone, they will take care of themselves. Look at theou prospects of what happens if Hillary Clinton gets elected, one thing for sure is that the Supreme Court will be further on the left. There would be an immediate nomination which would support a five vote liberal majority. There may be other nominees. States isf the united at 19. 3 trillion. The Republican Congress has not passed a spending bill that could put on track for the balance. Debt,keep running up the this country will go back. Guest for every program that Hillary Clinton has introduced, she has talked about how she will pay for it. She wont come to washington and blow the lid off the budget. But donald trump all sorts of wild schemes and tax cuts which experts on the right and left say are completely irresponsible. Governmentt put spending only at the foot of Hillary Clinton. Said that all of these oppressive government powers what exactly do you want taken away . Fracking . S about regulations about clean air and water . What i government does is protect the Larger Community and generally when people are rallying, they want a specific legislation lifted. This idea that an everexpanding regulation, what we have is a congress who doesnt want to take responsibility for the legislation it passes. So it passes legislation that empowers bureaucracy. And the issue ever more regulations. It forces people to buy but it isnt explicitly written into the obamacare legislation. You dont have to buy those drugs if you dont want them . [laughter] we really appreciate you being here. Eleanor clift with the daily beast. Terry jeffrey, you can find him on twitter. Thank you. The Independence Day washington journal continues. We have more coming up in a moment with the Hudson Institutes michael pregent. 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There are some characteristics of the spectrum that make it complicated in that environment. There is a narrow line of sight. It doesnt go through walls well . There are issues with that. But there are complex Engineering Developments that have these new antennas. Porting. It beam so there is a way to adjust with the spectrum and make it more usable. Watch the communicators tonight on cspan two. Washington journal continues. Host joining us on the washington journal is michael pregent. He has with the Hudson Institute and has spent a great deal of time in i rock in iraq. He is the Company Commander in afghanistan in 2002. So plenty of experience. Joining us this morning, for one day after terrible news from baghdad, the worst single attack , this says 121 but i believe the figure has gone to 143 people. We are here with michael pregent to talk about the war on isis and the fallout from iraqi forces retaking falluja last week. This attack on baghdad, do you think there is a direct correlation to isis losing falluja and this attack . Guest 1. 5 months ago there were car bombs in baghdad and it prompted putting falluja and head of mozilla. Nobody was talking about taking falluja 90 days ago. After the car bombs, the push was, lets do something about falluja now. It was the first city to fall to isis. Isis was demonstrating its reach. And we seeing that in baghdad. But with ramadi and falluja, both cities were punished and ubbled. These are temporary victories. When testified said the most important part is what we do afterwards. And the afterwards isnt being done. Protecting the population. We are not doing that in ramadi and the Iraqi Government isnt doing that in ramadi or falluja. So it is a way for isis to demonstrate its reach. Saying they dont need to raise a flag in baghdad. Host give us an idea of the size of the cities . Baghdad and falluja free isis occupation, how big . Guest 500,000 in ramadi. 300,000 in falluja. These are Large Population centers where isis has been able to control the population because they dont have anyone to call. Sunni population cant call the police or the iraq he army. So you are able to govern these large bodies of civilians with a small number of people. Ramadi was 6001000. It was 6001000. Controlling populations after the refugee exodus. At a largelooking percentage of military aged men who have not joined isis, who are viewed as collaborators by their government and viewed as collaborators by the iranian backed militias. Back iraqi troops win falluja two years in the grip, it is safe and habitable. They say it has been under control since 2014, 1 of the first cities to fall to the militants. Why did it take iraqi forces so long . Guest with ramadi, we kept asking, are the militias part of those of us who have served in iraq know that we are not supposed to use militias to go into these places but we were told they are part of the falluja. The falluja was surrounded by militias for two years. A lot of the city was starved and shelled. And it was punished by these militias. Indiscriminate targeting for two years with no emphasis on clearing it. No emphasis on building a forced to retake it. No emphasis on building trust. To been falluja came important because the Prime Minister was under pressure to protect from isis in baghdad and to punish somebody from this. The niceja became place within rocket range and sniper range to punish. Consider falluja a victory. I dont consider ramadi a victory. The whole part has not happened. Theory is winning back trust of the sunni population. During the search we protecting the population from al qaeda and shia militias. In this operation, we are pardoning with the militias to clear the cities. That report you read, i wouldnt be surprised if an iraqi weicial said that because dont have anyone on the ground to make the same validation. Host michael pregent is our guest. We are talking about the state of isis. 202 7488000 is the number to call for democrats. 202 7488001 is the number for republicans. 202 7488002 if you are independent. And we have a special line set aside for iraq war veterans at 202 7488003. So you are now at the Hudson Institute. You have spent a lot of time in iraq. How are you on top of what is going on there now . Guest i travel the region every two months. My last trip was in march. I went there ahead of the vermont the ramadi offense. To refugee camps in turkey, Syrian Refugees and iraqi refugees. And they asked two questions. I wanted to talk to people who are not happy with United States and i want to talk to people who say we should do something about it. So you going to a room of military aged men and if you ask if they blame the United States, hands go up. Who thinks we should do more . A lot of hands go up. Dude try to stay away from talking to state Department Officials and government officials. A lot of my colleagues come to iraq and they come back after meeting with iraqi politicians and when you compare what they are saying to a newspaper in baghdad or to a conversation you had with someone in a refugee camp, inc. Still find up. Camp, things dont line up. You are being told the pr line that we are winning against isis but what we are doing is resetting the conditions. Sunni population is more disenfranchised now than ever. They are more distrustful of baghdad. More thanistrust us ever because they see as aligned with a government that they dont see as legitimate. And we are providing air cover to militias on the ground. Whether they be uniformed or mobilizationostile units. You have terrorists Commanding Iraqi volunteers and leading them into these situations where they are going into sunni cities and they get to decide who is a collaborator and who is innocent and they shouldnt be the ones deciding. Host when you come back for your trips, where do your findings go . Panels. E give i talk to people in the agency and capitol hill. Times we think it sounds like there is no solution but there are solutions. We need to engage and spend more time with the government of baghdad. We need to send back the americans that the iraqis know. Chance to brief the 82nd Airborne Division before they went and we asked the question, how many of you guys have been to iraq before russian mark 85 had not been. That right there is surprising. When i went back to iraq, they said, how come you are not sending us the americans that we know . The daily beast did a report saying there are general in iraq right now but the generals are the ones who are the battalion commanders. The majors during the surge. Heavy general presence there because the iraqis know them and trust them. But the problem is that our great americans who are serving in the ranks dont know iraq. They dont know that they are training shia militias. That is one of the problems. So when you want to bring sunnis into train, and you see an american sergeant hugging a shia militiamen and looking at that guy, it is an intimidation factor. Whothat sunni individual wanted to join the forces and be a part of something feels intimidated and feels the u. S. Has been cooperative. Will go to the republican line, good morning to john. Michael, i think you are doing a terrific job with the isis situation in iraq. The reason why i am calling is because i grew up in a town in pennsylvania, right next to sailors berg pennsylvania. It is a small town. There is a gentleman who is a turkish clergymen out of the country of turkey. Int is the future of turkey a terrorist perspective . Ay are we protecting terrorist in our own country . Why cant we get him out . I grew up not too far from this camp where the neighbors are upset and there are afraid to come out of their house because they are intimidated by the turkish people and this gentleman has been here since 1999 and i feel who do we call . Cant call the fbi. Nobody wants to talk about it. I will let you go there. The question more broadly is about turkey. Guest one of the biggest problems we had was the foreign fighter flow coming in and the illicit oil moving out through turkey. A lot of that has stopped now. His symbolattack in has forced the government to do more. So i think turkey is doing more but syria is so complex. They could do something right but the next day they could do something wrong. So turkey has a role to play. The problem is that turkey needs to see isis as an existential threat more than the ecb kurds in turkey. Bombing in thet airport, has that changed . Guest we dont know yet. The shelf life of an attack like this, we dont how long. But who knew that turkey came out right away and said it was isis. You would think they would try on kurdish extremists to fix the narrative so i do believe that does change it. Host we have a call on the iraqi veteran line. Good morning. Caller first, i would like to to michael pregent for your service to the company. My question is, how long was a maliki in office in iraq . Service . Was his best and who is in office now . I want to know. I will let you go. Guest initially, he was a compromise candidate. He came in and was easily influenced by the party. Over time he became a strong man. In loyalists and he was actually blamed for a lot of the sunni disenfranchisement that happened under his premiership. And he was asked to step down. He inherited maliki security and up to 2006. I he is easily influenced. See that. Y you any Political Capital that he yesterday was lost when he was rid out of baghdad. I dont see pictures of it but people were stoning his car . People the obviously, it was a horrible situation. But what specifically about the Prime Minister were they upset about . Guest he is not detecting the population. One of the biggest complaint is that the government is not providing services to the people. And isis reminded everybody that they were still there. Isis is doing that again. It had been declared liberated and now 152 is the count of people were dead. He was run out of that area by shia iraqis the because they are not happy with what he is doing. One thing he needs to do is protect the population. And to exact revenge. The shia militias are primed to do that. Will that take the shape of an attack on proposal . Have no, they do not enough forces. Infiltratedng the minister of federal police. They cannot clear and hold falluja and do most old. They cant do it all. Thatsis is reminding them they do need to protect baghdad. Mozilla will be pushed down the road. There will be attacks but onella has a population of million military aged males. We have had two years to build the sunni force. We built a 90,000 men sunni force where each commander had a parade in the back pocket to call americans if there were threats but we have not started to do that. Right now we have trained u. S. Forces. Train theeed to read iraqi army. We need to reintegrate the sunnis that helped us decimate piece. Notmaliki government is going to do that. He was so concerned about the we hen to the power that ensure that there would not be that presence in the community. Come into shape at all. We havent done anything to do that. Host lets go to rob. Good morning. Caller thank you for your service. I have a question. You were saying earlier that you were in a room full of sunni guys who were military age and u. S. Them a few questions and one of them was how they felt about america and they were angry with us for not going assad. A so is, this religious divide has been going on for a long time. Al qaeda is mostly sunni. We put ourselves in the middle of this by going into iraq originally. And we took the lid off the whole jar. We let everything out. And in libya, you hear the same thing. That we have to take out this guy because he is a bad guy that look what happened there. And then people are clamoring to go after a sod, who is a dictator but he is a lot more secular than a lot of the other guys. With us are all upset because we didnt take out president assad. When are they going to take responsibility for themselves . Guest thank you for your question. The issue with the military population in the middle east is that you have to deal with the fact that there are 10 million sunnis in the middle east but isis is only 30,000. So there is a body of people there that want to do the right thing. Is the number one driver every time isis loses territory in iraq, they compensate with a highprofile attack somewhere else. But we actually help them out by fighting towards the iranian and russian position in syria. So then we negate success with what were doing in syria. The middle east has been in conflict for a long time but any time but anytime the iraqi soccer team wins a game, the whole country celebrates. It is what everyone likes to talk about but these are nationalists and we need to reach out to the secular nationalists in this country. President assad is not the only secular nationalist. A linee have set aside for iraqi war veterans. That is at 202 7488003. First, we go to our democrat line. Caller good morning. You kind of answer the question i was going to ask but the middle east has been a mess for generations. As you can see, instability in the middle east is an existential threat to the United States. We do have allies in the region. We have friends in the region. The majority of muslims to not support these radical offshoots of islam like al qaeda and isis. There are problems. Everybody likes to blame the United States but at the same ask who blames the United States, hands go up that when they ask if we can do more, hands go up. We have demonstrated success in the past. With what is going on with iraq, what is their involvement in syria . Took 2000 deaths before we talked about it. We are up to forge hundred 50,000 deaths in syria and we are trained to build a force to go into rocca. The caliphate and isis. We are just not focus on that. Thethe middle east looks to west, whether we like it or not, as a guarantor. That we will do the right thing at some point. And they are looking to the west. The 20 million sunnis in the middle east are looking to the west and they are not seeing commitment. They are not seeing engagement. Theyre not seeing a serious a dictator from using his military to punish the population in syria and doing enough about isis in our dad. Baguettesilitating punishment of its population and criticizing president assads population. We need to get the strategy fixed. We need to have a conference of strategy to deal with both. The next white house hopeful he will. Host we go to our for public in line, we hear from joey in las vegas. This whole benghazi thing, it is all a fiasco. They are talking about the embassy but that isnt the main project. The thing is that Hillary Clinton went in front of the cameras wearing a yellow outfit i remember like it was yesterday and she said that we had to take gadhafi out because he was going to wipe out the town of benghazi. Are 40,000 people there and we cant permit him to kill 40,000 people. It is inhumane. Host it is a little bit out of the context of what we are talking about today. What is the status of isis in libya . There is an overcorrection of the bush doctrine by this administration. We need to rid a country of a dictator like it off not go in and build a secular nationalist force to protect the country and the population. The overcorrection is leading to prolonged conflict and the expansion of conflict and we are seeing that in places like libya. Iraq, and jordan is one of our most crucial allies and jordan is between a shia proxy highway and an islamic extremist highway. Into the lamont. I dont call this isil because you give it credit i give it isil. S. Iny are the strongest tribe ungoverned spaces. All it takes is a committed ground force with u. S. Support to kill it but you have to use the right ground force. Host steve tweets about that in terms of turkey. Turkey could be on the edge of sharia. It doesnt want to fall into the aesh kind of sharia. Of dollarsllions have we spent on training the iraqi forces . Guest we have spent a lot of money. Iraqiuld reintegrate the forces. Those of a who have the knowledge. We have spent a lot of money to train them. It would not take a lot of money to get them back. Promotion and you will be able to repopulate the iraqi army. No emotional or falluja or ramadi a would be able to tell us where isis was. We cant do this by using an iranian proxy force. Kurds cant go in. They could clear it. In the current process you alienate the sunnis that you need to be a part of that. There are two phrases that ive learned in arabic. Terroristi is a from a shia and every kurd is a militiaman. See you cant go into a city believing everyone is a collaborator. You have to build relationships. Then, you go to decapitate the head of the organization by going after the leadership. Int we go to San Antonio Texas on the iraqi war veteran line. Caller good morning. Why does this guy keeps saying we . We dont go them anything . Not a dime. How did you feel when anddi fell and the lucia falluja fell . After all of those marines . They should be upset they sent us in the first place. You want to continue to fight a war that will last for years. Talk about that. Why do we need to continue to increase the iraqi soldiers . The ones that we trained, allmoney that we paid, that could be remedied by putting back the sunnis that we have already paid for and worked with into the security apparatus. A lot of marines that i know were upset that ramadi fell. There are two sides of this. Yes, we did things wrong but we did other things right. We need to learn what we did right. Right now we are doing all of the wrong things by working with this government. Host at the start of the conversation you mentioned the special president ial envoy. That went before the Senate Foreign relations committee. He thoughtasked if iraq had the capacity to recapture territories from isis. Have beenas that taken back from isil, none of them have been retaken so that indicates that something we have done successful. And these arent American Forces in the streets of these cities, trying to hold the territory after. We are organizing local police and people who know the streets and people to hold the territory afterwards. So your answer is yes . We believe that the iraqis, through using their combined forces, will be able to maintain those territories on their own . And be able to make sure that isil doesnt recapture any dominant force . The record so far is encouraging. Wont bet mean iraq full of a host of problems for years to come. An International Terrorist society organizing the city is not something i think theyll be able to do. Host what do you think . Guest i disagree. Rebuild ramadi and the effort to rebuild trust in ramadi isnt taking place. It has been left to 3000 sunni tribal men to secure a country of 50,000. They are overstretched. Forces are overstretched. The iraqi army is overburdened. And the militias cannot be controlled. One of the biggest issues i have is that brent mcgirt shouldnt be the one talking about this. President ialbe the envoy. It should be a member of the military. One of the biggest problems with naming general alan these are the time was that he fell under the state department. He was responsible for pillars under the government. The humanitarian pillar. But he wasnt able to do that. Departmente construct. One of the issues we have now in because when we we were there we were allowed to now, onlyybody state department can engage with Iraqi Government. The u. S. Military can only engage. This is a state run operation against isis. One of the biggest criticisms i have heard in iraq from iraqi politicians is that they are not talking to the right people. If it is easy to talk to somebody, youre not talking to the right person. You need to get out and talk outside of people who agree with you and strategy because it is not working. There is nothing that we are doing that is permanent. Everything we are doing is temporary. Ramadi, a rush for falluja popped up after the car bomb attacks. And mozilla is different. Talk about that without losing falluja again or western baghdad again. There are not enough Iraqi Security forces that are considered legitimate. Have another iraqi veteran on the line. Good morning, sir. Caller happy fourth of july. Host same to you. Inler i was in iraq 20042005, and i am just wondering why we are still there . Why dont we pull everybody out . Pull everybody out of syria. A good question. I believe a strategy to provide air cover to a heavy shia force is a reason to pull out. To be honest with you. I think the u. S. Government should hold baghdad with current existing law. Suspend our air campaign. Make some reconciliation efforts with populations. Continue to Development Intelligence and isis leaders in sunni towns with u. S. Air of blamed the u. S. For civilian casualties based on crude artillery. So you have the militias on the ground taking credit for an it is citing the u. S. Complicit in the indiscriminate targeting of the population. Host refugees the followup from falluja, a new refugee crisis. What have you seen in your most recent visit . Guest i saw a lot of people who were iraqis in their own country who were displaced in refugee camps. With no faith in their government. And they are still there. There is nobody asking for them to come back. There is nobody helping them to come back to where they come from. In the iraqi detainee population as well. One guysted raids and a target and the other 30 guys that. They get lost because nobody asks for them and it turns into who isis is able to recruit from. Again, these military aged men who may not have done anything at the time, it is the same thing that is going on in the refugee camps. There are places where people can be radicalized if the wrong people get in. Go to bill in pennsylvania on the independent line. Happy fourth of july. Michael, thank you for your service. I have been listening to you and i have learned a lot and i appreciate that. Now i know, by thought maybe 30 or 40 generals and admirals would step up to thislate and say that ridiculous idea of putting transgenders in the military you are a Company Commander, i cant imagine being a Company Commander and have someone report to me for duty and be transgender and be on hormone therapy and they are going to have a sex change that we have to pay for. Where is our leadership as far as the pentagon . This is ridiculous. We cant do it and it is not going to work. Host a little offtopic. Guest those generals are focused on isis. I will leave it at that. On isis andcused the threat here and the threat there. On thisu touched thelier but maverick tweets governing forces in iraq want the u. S. Forces back . They kicked us out after the surge. Guest the city population wanted us to stay. There was a flight that took place in 2008 where the president elect obama toward the battlefield with general betray us. Host were you on his staff . Guest yes. I was a part of what they call the safety commander initiatives group. There was a flight that took place and general betray us was telling obama, look. These are the surge but the message was i dont care, we are getting out. Then there was increased pressure on iraqi politicians. It would have kept the United States there. We would be the ones who punish if they did something that they could be punished by the Iraqi Government. Brett mcgirt was one of the negotiators of this agreement. We werent able to use our leverage. We were able to use our leverage to put pressure on the government. But malikis party and other parties were told by iranians andto support the agreement not to support an extension of u. S. Forces. So we left. And maliki began to extend his politicization of the forces. We warned, something will fill this security void. Now we are looking at the aftermath. Vermont. s go to john. Caller good morning. I had a comment a ways back, the sunnis never for gave america for the arm twisting. And the big payoff to him. To open up a cord or to come destroy thed generator. And in the process, also taking out the most ancient Christian Church in all of christendom. They never forgive that. Syria was a wonderful place to visit. You would go there and buy all they never forgive that. They never forgot it. And that is why syria got in the crosshairs. Host what do you think . That youere are things do 1015 years ago that have consequences now. If any of us got into relationships with our andificant others anticipated a divorce, we never would get into it. Timeframe, you make sense out of order and make it work. Host the New York Times yesterday did a big spread on after the fall of falluja and what the Islamic State has won and lost. En. Have this up on the scre they put it in black and red. Going back to 2014, the city of mozilla was the largest city by the Islamic State what will it take to regain the city . The right side and the left side is what the kurds are calling it. I argue that we never secured it, even while we were there. We pacified it. Inempowered enough sunnis order to provide intelligence to punish al qaeda leaders, to take them out. There was not enough deterrence where of happened we would be able to do something. Inwas considered secure 2007, enough to send kurdish units down to baghdad as part of the surge. And then it started falling back toe the right side was left the insurgent groups, to rekindle the insurgency. What is it going to take . It will take a sunni force that trusts its government. Side, that is predominately a christian and kurdish area but there is no force that could go into the left side that could be made up of shia militias. It will have to be a sunni force because that is the isis stronghold. Host we hear from mike in maryland on the republican line. Dont cut me off too quick. I want to make some pressing points. I asked her guest not to talk over me. I want to reference a couple of articles. Bal research out of canada it is entitled american greed in al qaeda and the other article i thaterence is from is the International Meeting in isil in france. This was attended by western dignitaries and american generals. General shelton attended. Rudy giuliani. These are western and american groups. Host are you familiar with that . Guest i understand the argument. In 2008, 2009, led to the Islamic State of iraq starting to move towards what we now see as isis. We did take our eye off the ball. There was a warning piece in 2012 that said there would be that isis would reemerge. Being warned about something and not doing something is not creating it. Watch,created under our but not with our approval or support. They beat back an assault by syrian rebels. They wound up getting their hands on a lot of american goods, including u. S. Mortars, a toyota helix pickup truck. I wanted to share this report from the new york post. Isis, and aike on lot of these, we see these white Toyota Pickup trucks. There was a large convoy of a least 250 isis fighters. How were they able to get these vehicles supplied to them . Guest this is the fallujah cowboy convoy. How do you cordon off a city so nothing can get out and allow a 200 car convoy to leave falluja, get away from the city enough and then bomb and attack it . There is a lot of information that will come out about this convoy. We are relying on the Iraqi Government to tell us it was an nice is convoy, and it is not bode well. The sunni population believes civilians were in there. It is something we need to deal with. If the sunni population believes a civilian convoy was leaving falluja to go to syria, and it was straight and everyone was killed, that is a problem and something we need to deal with. Was celebrated in western media as a tactical victory, but how do you let a 200 the apple convoy guest pretty noticeable. Guest pretty noticeable and suspect. Host thanks for being with us. When do you next go to iraq . Guest after ramadan, so in the next 30 to 45 days. Host thank you for being with us. Our Program Continues on washington journal, we will talk about what you find right and wrong with america on this fourth of july. Tonight on the communicators, senior Vice President at verizon and the new head of Public Policy and Government Affairs operations in washington, on the theissues in telecom like need for more spectrum and net neutrality. There are some characteristics of spectrum that make it complicated in that environment, a very a very narrow life narrow line of sight. 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I want to share a poll that asked the same question about satisfaction with the United States. Are you satisfied or dissatisfied with the way things are going in the United States . This is from june 1 through the fifth. Presented satisfied, 29 . Percent dissatisfied, 69 . This is from june, first to the fifth. And june 7ago, through the 10th, in 2012, 77 , excuse me, satisfied, 20 , dissatisfied, 77 . A bit higher number, four years ago. What is wrong, what is right. We go to alabama and hear from avery. Caller good morning. You can start with the constitution. It is a flawed document from the beginning, created by freemasons and set up slavery and racism the country can never get over. That is primarily what is wrong with the country, the Founding Fathers and the constitution and 500 years of trying to uphold the document that held women and immigrants and black people beneath the rights of property owning white men. Set up through freemasonry. In tennessee, richard, what is right . Caller there is so much right with the United States, that sometimes we fail to see it. We are always looking at what is wrong, we always want to uncover corruption and things like that, but when we see other countries, and how they operate, we should be proud. Tom brokaw brought a book about the greatest american generation , and i do not have the confidence to say that right now because there are so many people that downgrade america. Host if you had to pick one that is right with the country, what would you say . Caller our freedom to travel from one part of the country to another, and to enjoy the beauty of our country. Host john in jacksonville. Is that florida . Caller good morning. I think what is right with this country is the response to the poll shooting. I am a millennial and i have a lot of millennial friends. Dealing with transgender issues in North Carolina and other states, the response from the individuals of america, supporting lgbtq entities after polls, that is what is right in this country. We have gone a long rate we have come a long way in human rights. Host 202 7488000 for what is right, 202 7488001 for what is wrong. You can also send us a tweet. Charles, louisiana. Caller good morning and happy fourth of july. Thank you for taking my call. My comment is what is right with america, just step back a moment and look at what is happening in the world. Here, you have absolute freedom to do the things that you do. Recent Supreme Court decisions testified to that, where you look at the decision with the lgbtq mitzi, not necessarily agreeing with their lifestyle, but since in a fringe of pond there infringed upon their rights as an individual, it was struck down so they can be what they want to be. Trying toissue is influence all of us who may not agree with that lifestyle. Nowhere else in the world will you find that. The previous caller spoke about freemasonry and Founding Fathers being freemasonry and rate writing the constitution to keep people of color and others under the foot of the european white masters, it is ludicrous. I am a mason and i am an african american. When you dont know about something, you tend to go off on the deep end of tangents about what you do not know. Everybody has opportunities. The problem is, most people in america have never lived abroad and seemed to radical governments. I spent 40 years in the military , i joined the army out of high school in 1917. I retired in 2011. When a family comes to me and says because of you, i will be a will to sleep tonight because they are not coming out of the hills to attack us because you we aree, it tells me spoiled, selfish and we do not understand the freedoms that we have. Host front page, courtesy of the museums. Politics of patriotism, clinton, sanders and trump offer conflicting visions of the term. Kyle from rhode island, finding something wrong. Caller good morning. A couple of complaints about the education system, starting with even from Education Elementary School to high school, we do not have enough handson. For every 15 to 20 teachers, you will have three that actually try. I feel like we are regressing, and even we are not even in the top three, how do you call us the greatest country in the world when we are not in the top three. We have some of the best colleges and i understand that, but we charge too much. You can go to almost any innercity high school in america. A lot of them are in poor communities with teachers that do not want to be there and teach stuff that you do not even use. A lot of stuff they teach you just not have much use in the modern world. We are not teaching kids to get ready for the future or anything like futurebased technology. I feel like we are going at a very slow pace. Host how far did you get in school . Caller i am in college right now. Host we appreciate you joining in. What is right and what is wrong in america. In florida, laura, good morning. Caller good morning and happy Independence Day. I feel what is right with america are the American People. What is wrong with america is also the people. We have become apathetic to some things and some people have become they have a entitlement ratio, but whatever there is a disaster around the world, we are such a giving people. We step up, we stepped in, we give as much as we can. We send our military to places where there are natural disasters, and people do not remember that. We have to remember that in our own country. We have to remember to love each other in our own country. Host do you think that is a trait that is unique to americans . Caller i think it is. I think it is because of our freedoms. We know what we have, we have the freedom to be the best we can be as individuals, if you take that opportunity. It is not going to be handed to you. Host thank you for that call. Next from bethesda, maryland. , go, go ahead cole ahead. Caller i am in university right now, and i think this country has its fair share of problems but one of the problems is that people do not love it enough. The republicans are moving so far to the right, democrats are moving so or to the left, nobody is coming together to work together. After world war ii, we had all thought together, people had seen their friends die and family and that is just one problem, especially with this very polarized political scene, people do not love the country enough. Host lindsay in florida, finding something right with america. Sayer i would just like to that what is right with this country is Americans Still thinking with a patriotic attitude. Americans who maintain a patriotic attitude in this climate are the most courageous i have seen because you may not have you do not let your patriotism blind you to what is wise on, and it would be to not let your emotions overshadow rationality in this country. Morning. Aware, good caller good morning and happy fourth. There are many things wrong with this country, but there are some good things. Here are a couple of things that have gone absolutely wrong. We have a Corporate Media that lies in our face every day. In the constitution, the press in the is the only industry that is mentioned, and that is meant to inform and educate the people have a right to have an informed decision, but what we have is a politicized media, a politicized government, the right has gone so far right they are fascist and the left, there is no left. These that on the fact that way that Bernie Sanders was theted in this election, National Scandal of Election Fraud that went on against Bernie Sanders tells me that we have a government not and by the people, but other than by the corporations who actually own and control all of our congress. I am talking democrats and publicans, so unless the people get together and do something for our own rights and our own privacy and to keep our freedoms, im afraid our country is going to go totally fascist if we end up with donald trump and if we end up with the clinton, i am concerned that we will have more regime change around the world, i think that she is guilty and should be indicted, but i doubt that she will be, because that is a system that we are under. It is a twoparty system that needs to and, need more parties in this country, we need more people speaking out about what we want, not what we are told because it is supposed to be democracy. Host on this fourth of july, asking you what is right and what is wrong with america. 202 7488000 if you think something is right or 202 7488001 if you think something is wrong. There is a tweet that says what is wrong, taxation without representation, seizing peoples private property without due process. Jim says letter bugs are one thing wrong, and a fell is one thing right with america. The perpetually offended over another wrong. Kevin says we are taxed way too much, not enough jobs. Many says there are some loving and giving americans pennsylvania, shirely in pennsylvania. Caller and i am in iowa. What is wrong with america is we are not like our allies. Things thatl the bernie wanted, we would still not have life as good as they do in the european countries, with their much higher minimum wage, our kids would not be a truly in dollars in debt would not be a trillion dollars in debt for going to school. John in massachusetts, what do you find wrong with america . Caller there are a lot of people in this world that have the internet, and dont do research. Your history, the history of your bible has been whited out by the european countries. Had a hijacked religion, and have hidden the true identity of the people of the bible and we have occupiers in israel that is what i am going to say. The same race they give you that gave you hitler, the same race that is giving you communism, racism and fascism. , findingin georgia something wrong with the u. S. Caller hello. See is that people who use the law to break the law. When you use the u. S. Constitution and the bill of rights to legalize drugs and promiscuitybortion and other things that are causing more problems in the country than they are solving, it is a big mistake. Inshould not put the poison food and call it a new recipe, and that is what we are doing by adding criminal and stupidity the law, and making it legal. To law, and making it legal. Host heres is an article about flags flying at half staff. Re overusing the tribute of flying the flag at half staff . The Associated Press writing that nearly every day, somewhere in the country, the stars and stripes were lowered to half staff. The centuriesold practice can be a visible public answer to extraordinary loss as when more than as when more than a dozen people were killed last month in orlando. Flag bugs noted that the honor that has been extended more widely over time, including two celebrities and police dogs and some have questioned whether the country has lowered the bar on lowering the flag. George in louisiana, good morning. Caller good morning. Believe is good in america is the life. Americans do things more liberally than many other countries. Americans have opportunities to learn what they want to learn, do what they want to do to improve themselves. People still have the American Dream to come from other countries and learn and get into business, and build something, and do for the country instead of the country doing for them. What is wrong with america boils down to the elite, the owners of thats, the owners of decide what the media says in think. , how people call the mind countryers who act like they pay all of the taxes. Education, we are not ready to deal with a new world and education, people need to be multilingual, like other countries. They have to finish their math, they have to finish their science, and also history, if you do not know where youre coming from, you do not know where you are going. Host up next, michael in illinois. Caller good morning, thank you for the opportunity. I have to give kudos to the last caller, he made some great points. America isat with the American People get it. Ist is wrong with america the opportunity, i believe that has been given to the postmodern radical left within our twoparty system. I believe they have taken us down a half of defeatism. That is my point. Host dave is in florida, also finding something wrong. Caller good morning. Happy fourth of july. Military, i served in the u. S. Army and when i was in the service, we had a lot of people of different races all over the world, and i cannot believe people in this world are separating themselves and living our government separate each other, when there should be love for each other, no matter what race you are. There are dividing the country and people are letting it happen and it is crazy. We should be united as one. It is going to separate the people that are here, and they should be proud of the country. We have a great country and nation, and we should be proud of each other. Host there is the front page of florida today, celebration in the sky. Thousands packed the shoreline on cocoa beach for the fourth of july fireworks. Several of the firework shows tonight in the same county. In virginia, we hear from sean. Caller what is great with this country is the fact that you can have this show, the fact that people can express their opinions freely and not worry about the government coming down on them. Charles inis massachusetts. Good morning. Caller good morning and happy fourth. What is wrong with this country, my mind is rattling. A lot of it has to do with the people only listening to one side of an argument and that is through news media that they listen to, be a left or right. The example i think is best is brexit,ngland, with the how the people after it was passed, to leave the euro, the biggest question asked on google was what is the euro. To onejust listened argument and did not listen to the other, and they made a decision based on only one of you. Not being able to foresee the problems that we have, when Social Security was created, the average lifespan was 63 years. Today, it is 80. That is something that should have been addressed a long time ago, nobody had the guts to do it because it would mean taking step away from everybody. Host a lot of comments on twitter. Americanrong when the when the head of the doj has secret meetings with a suspects husband, talking about Loretta Lynch meeting former president bill clinton. James on the line from florida, good morning. Caller this is whats wrong with america. Not just america, the whole world. Have taken our religion. It is talking about ethiopians. The bible talks about the north son. [inaudbile] host we will see if we can get a couple more calls. Today is Independence Day in todays holiday marks 200 years since the adoption of the declaration of independence. Good morning. Don, caller i was calling for what is wrong, it is the number of andle that are unemployed millions of people and infrastructure that is falling apart, that needs people to work on it. Thatroblem that is causing 2006, the younger bush stopped collecting the 34 corporate tax, and that money is needed to start working on the infrastructure and put people to work, to get them off the streets. Host we appreciate your thoughts and more of your comments are welcome at facebook. Com cspan. We are back tomorrow morning, and previewing the week ahead in congress. We start the program with someone from politico and we also hear from the huffington post. Later on, u. S. Efforts to fight isis. We are joined by the former white house senior middle east advisor. That will do it for this mornings program, we hope you have a great fourth of july and will see you tomorrow morning. On this july 4, members of congress in their home districts are traveling. John mccain in afghanistan today, spending time at camp resolution and visiting Service Members from arizona. A New Hampshire senator getting ready for Independence Day celebrations in her area. She sent this tweet out. Constituentss her to see her pictures of todays events on her snapchat page. Is ate island congressman patriotic exercises in bristol before the parade starts and he tweets. You can see what members are cant members of congress are up to through cspans twitter page. Today on cspan, we look at first ladies influencing Public Policy. Former chief of staff Hillary Clinton describing Nancy Reagans behind the scenes influence on that administrations approach to dealing with the soviet union. Here is a preview. There were many around president reagan who wanted him to take a hard line against gorbachev, and i have some friends who were advising at the time, and they said that one day, nancy reagan said why does everyone assume my husband is a warmonger . They really wanted to see that moment, as did others, as a huge tension. George schultz was on one side and others wrong other side, but person to timothy, her knowing where her husband wanted to go andory was extremely she gets very little credit, at least when she was still first lady, her what she did to help him navigate all of that, because in many ways, she was reputed to be able to call a state a state in terms of people , and that got her into some hot water, but she played a really Important Role in history. You will also hear from Michelle Obamas current chief of staff, plus two former chief of staff to former first ladies laura bush and Hillary Clinton. At 8 00, for president jimmy carter in conversation. The event at the Carter Library focusing on civil rights and individual freedom. At 10 00, a discussion on the latest Technology Trends with former google ceo eric schmidt. He now serves as executive chairman of googles chair parent company. It is this evening on cspan. The hardfought 2016 primary season is over, with historic inventions to follow this summer. Watched cspan as the delegates consider the nomination of the first woman ever to had a Major Political party, and the first nonpolitician in several decades. Watch live on cspan, listen on the cspan radio app, or get video on demand at cspan. Org. You have a front row seat to every minute of the conventions on cspan, beginning on monday, july 8. July 18. K, staractor george to of the Broadway Musical allegiance, based on his story of living in japaneseamerican internment camps. He sat down for a conversation with kermit roosevelt, greatgreatgrandson of Teddy Roosevelt at the Japan Society in new york city, talking about the treatment of japaneseamericans during world war ii. This is about an hour. Informed of the currently running broadly is a goal, a legion. His acting career has spanned five decades, it includes many roles, the first one in which i be cured became aware of george was his iconic and unforgettable portrayal of the helmsman in star trek, but includes many others. He is not just an actor, he is unprecedented he has a unprecedented social Media Presence and is an activist for many causes, speaking up for the rights of lgbt people, and also asianamericans and many others. In recognition of his contribution to the relationship of you of the estate and japan, he was awarded the order of the rising sun by his majesty, the emperor of japan, please join me in welcoming george to k george takei. [applause] host thank you so much for coming. George thank you for the , and toon to be here the Japan Society, it is always a pleasure to be here and to have a discussion with you, who has written a title written a novel titled allegiance. About halfway through that, please dont reveal any