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Of police in this country made lead to a rise in Violent Crime. We want to check in with you this sunday morning on your view of police in your community. If you are part of Law Enforcement, call this number, 202 7488000. Experience with members of Law Enforcement, call this number, 202 7488001. Everyone else, call 202 7458002. If not by phone, you can weigh in by social media. Send us a tweet at cspanwj. You can post a comment at facebook. Com cspan. Or, send us an email at journal cspan. Org. Here is what got our attention, this headline in the new york ises, says, the fbi chief linking scrutiny of police with the rise in Violent Crime. James komi, the head of the fbi said, the scrutiny of police in the wake of highly publicized episodes of Police Brutality may have led to an increase in Violent Crime in some cities. He let the press dj of the fbi leant theion he prestige of the fbi to the nations most prominent Law Enforcement agency. Be just one factor in the rise of crime, like cheaper drugs and an increase in criminals. He made his remarks at the receive chicago on friday. [video clip] i have been part of a lot of thoughtful conversations about this. I have heard a lot of theories, reasonable theories. Some have said they be it is the return of violent offenders who have finished long jail terms. Some say maybe it is cheap hair went or synthetic drugs. Some have said, maybe had we maybe because we busted they gangs, it is small gangs fighting for turf. These are useful suggestions, but to my mind, none of them noneing the map and the of them explain the map and the calendar. I have also heard another explanation in conversations across the country. No one says this on the record. Police and elected officials are quietly saying to themselves, and they said to me, it is the one explanation that, to my mind, explains the calendar and the map. Maybe something in policing has changed. In todays youtube world, officers are reluctant to get out of their cars and do the crimehat controls violent. Avoiding the informal contact that keeps that guys standing around, especially with guns. I spoke to officers quietly in one big city precinct who describes being surrounded by young people with multiple phones, held high, taunting them. They said to me, we feel under siege, and we do not feel much like getting out of cars. I was told by a Senior Police to his force, we have no tolerance for you being part of the next viral video. Is this changing Police Behavior across the country . The honest answer is i do not know. I dont know that explains it entirely. I do have a sense that some part of the explanation is a chill wind blown across Law Enforcement over the past year. Part of the behavior change can be welcome, as we continue to have important conversations about police conduct, escalation, and the use of deadly force. Those are essential discussions, and my enforcement will get better as a result. We cannot lose sight of the fact that there really are bad people standing on the street with guns. The young men dying on the streets of those cities are not committing suicide, they are not shot by cops. They are being killed by other young men with guns. Host the New York Times goes were say that his remarks met with surprise at the Justice Department, where his views are not shared at the top level. Some senior officials do not believe that scrutiny of Police Officers has led to an increase in crime. While the department has no immediate comment, several officials fumed at his suggestion, and there was sharp thereeement over whether is any credence in effect. There is also disagreement at the white house. We will hear from president obama, shortly, on all this. Lets go to your calls first. What is your view of police in your community . Bruce is calling from baltimore. Welcome, bruce. Caller i agree with the fbi agent 100 . I live in baltimore. All of the areas were involved in the riots. There is a spike in crime. The homicide rate is going up tremendously in baltimore city. The Justice Department has their own agenda, and is not paying attention to the fbi director. This has got to stop. Heardhave you seen or others tell you that police in baltimore, and maybe elsewhere, for lack of a better phrase, pulling back a little bit . Caller i make it my personal habit, whenever i see a Police Officer to go up and talk to them. With the rankandfile Police Officer saying they are not happy with what is going on, when they make a call, there are. Eople already waiting for them theyre calling them names, racist, they get. They do everything to interrupt what they are doing in the community. Listen to the rankandfile. Sometimes even the command structure is not listening to the rankandfile Police Officers. You for calling. We look at some other voices from other cities. The Baltimore Sun has written about this recently on the editorial page. No ferguson effect, they write. Theo want to get walt on line, from pittsburgh. What is your view of police in your community these days . Caller the police are good. T is the mayor every week in pittsburgh, you in at least 47 blogs newspaper for killing somebody. In baltimore, i dont know why they didnt shoot at those people throwing rocks at them. This is coming right from the president. Remember when they showed black whitemarking out kids. This is getting ridiculous. Somewhere down the line, something will happen out of this. I hold the tv stations responsible. Host how come . Caller whenever you see Something Like this, like ferguson, or whatever, they are ers. Eing with the riot i did not see one thing on tv about the Police Officer getting kicked by the kids. Pittsburgh, they did the same thing. They have to talk shows two talk shows. They were talking about a cookout, there were marshmallows , and he said, if you bring them, they will be black. They will call him racist. Someone called in about baltimore, saying these people did this. The commentator said, i have to apologize for that language. What do you people mean . Black people were doing that. This president , lets face it, i think he is the most divisive president this country has ever had. Calls coming other in. Joe, you tell us you have had experience with Law Enforcement. Tell us about that, and tell us about your community. I think he is gone. Joe, are you there . Joe is gone. Scott from arizona, who has also had experience with Law Enforcement. Are you there, scott . Caller yes, i am. Good morning to those listeners around the globe. I would like to make sure we understand what we see on the side of Law Enforcement officers. Protectther serve and or protect and serve. In my community of sera vista ierra vista, i feel 100 safe. Bake, yes, i am an African American male who bakes good and takes it to them. When i stepped outside of my community, im fearful of any interaction with Law Enforcement. Asked, they can if theycoming, he yeah, shoot me, i do not want to suffer. If somebody outside of the community shoots me, shoot the so i can be dead, and do not have to suffer like Michael Brown in the street. Host the voice of scott therefrom arizona. We are following up on the story, this headline in the New York Times, and elsewhere, a mi on friday. Eph kon on twitter, there is no data to back up his assertion, who created this heightened scrutiny, and why do they care about viral video . Mr. Komi says that he has been told by Police Officers that they are asked to stay in their and that hesitancy has lead to missed opportunities to apprehend suspects, and decreased Police Presence on the streets in the countrys most violent cities. We have michael on the line now from new jersey. Good morning. What you have to say . Caller they are out there killing people and harassing people. The two guys who called earlier, they are about 52, cowards, and they need the cops to protect them. I think were dropping michael, we will have to get other viewpoints out there as time goes on. President look at obama. He spoke in chicago on tuesday. He addressed this whole issue. Here is a look. [video clip] of the time ior am in the office, i will do everything i can to encourage cooperation and work hard to that ise that the work being done by Law Enforcement is appreciated and supported, and that we maintain this incredible progress that we have made in reducing crime. But, in order for us to do that, we have to stick with the facts. What we can do is cherry pick data or use anecdotal evidence to drive policy. If we stick with the facts, and maintain coordination across federal, state, and local agencies, we will continue the progress that you and so many Law Enforcement officers have made over the past decade, that have saved lives, and kept families and tax. Host more headlines, white fbi chiefgrees with on scrutiny as a cause of crime. Patricia, good morning, what would you like to say about the police in your community . Caller this will be the second. Ime that i say, i feel safe i do see a shift of who is in from the Camden Police department. They are turning into county policing. I do not really know who they are anymore. I kind of knew some of them back in the day, but now, i do not even know who are police chief is. On it is agoes , police cars all over the place. I was there on friday night. It is terrible over there. I do not know what is going on. It goes from crack cocaine in the 80s, and as far as where i live, there is a hospital behind me, a football field. Randomly. N them they do not really talk to us. I get out of camden a lot. Police officers are human. Im black. I feel like i dont like a whole bunch of other ones. Im upset because this is rampant, in our face, in my face. I can understand how white people feel like they are putting up the guard, they feel attacked. I understand that. I work in health care. The seniors in ohio, they should be ashamed of themselves. I hear it, just talking to people. They do not know who i am. The hate they feel in our country, i dont know where these people are coming from. Have we been here a long time, are we migrating and bringing ate . H live rate of the cost . I am because i am a woman of color. They have to be held accountable. Host all right. The voice of patricia from camden. On twitter, there are Police Departments where discrimination is the norm, but not in my community. On facebook, beverly writes, a few people, a few police, let power go to their heads, it is a hard job, and most state professional and it. Carolyn writes, the police get a raw deal because policing policies are racist. Andrew writes, the police should not exist, sheriffs should. Kurt says, most of the crime u. S. Ized is random in the city,ys, with any there are those there to serve and protect. Eric says, they are arrogant bi uttheads. Sandra is calling now from massachusetts. Caller the police, at one time, i did not have a very good view of them, until they have been they stepped in when my grandson was getting into drugs. They went to the father and said to be put ind some, so they did. They put him in a detox. Eroin, we did not know at the time. He got out for one week, and they killed him he killed himself. The police had a program, and they turned around, and they will try to help, and forced these children to get some kind of job. They will try to help. They were there at the wake. My grandson died four days ago. By it. Y hurt he was 30 years old, and left for children behind. , and is a lot of the opium whatever it is out there. They need to get these damn drug guys, get them. The police in attleboro, great job. Keep pushing. Host thank you for serving. For sharing. What is your view of the comments by the fbi director . Are you still there . Address. E lost lost sandra. Durham, north carolina, Law Enforcement. From try patrick now miami, florida. Are you there . Glad to have you. What are your thoughts . Caller thank you for taking my call. I just want to say that im sorry for the previous colors callers loss. Some of my friends have fallen into drugs, it is no good. My thoughts on the topic, i have. Positive outlook on police when i see policeman, i feel safe. Theme in allommon of these shootings the art sensationalized, they are tragic, and some are criminal even. Often, the person simply did not officerse instructions. Maybe they were not raised to. I was raised to follow instructions. If they have a gun, it is in your best interest to listen to them. Host lets go back to durham, because i think we do have the caller there, part of Law Enforcement. Are you there . Caller i am. Host go ahead, please. You are in Law Enforcement, currently . Caller i am retired, by worked. Here for 26 years host local police . Caller yes, sir in the sheriff department. I just want to say there is a lot of misconception about what the police do. There are so many africanamericans that make up durham. Ive africanamerican myself. I can tell you, it is regardless if you are black or white, or a Police Officer, you are constantly running into other africanamericans hurting each other. The common thing that happens around here is somebody looked at themselves as the victim. Caught inwere being the middle of whatever they were doing wrong, that crime, that is when they wanted to play their card. Host did you feel a lot of scrutiny towards you in the department over the years . Caller actually, there was. At the same time, it was leveled. It was balanced. The police chief was allowed to come in and say the things that really matter. We are such a Diverse Group of people. Durham county is very very diverse. We have a huge amount of africanamericans, a big amount of latinos, a lot, we are just a very diverse individual place. I want to say this as well. If you do not want racism to continue, you cannot participate in it. I listened to gnome chomsky noam chomsky onetime. He said, if the country does not want terrorism, do not. Articipate in it starts because there is a group up at the top that makes that raises impossible, and that can be attributed to a different race, the white man, whatever, or whichever. I shouldnt say the white man , like that, but it is membersted by our black hurting each other. There is even racism between black individuals that i see all the time, especially between females. Host thank you for calling. I have a lot of other voices that we want to get in, whoding mark, on twitter says, a few bad apples can spoil the bushel. There says, was not enough data to make a direct connection between increased scrutiny of police and current crime rates. Byeport released tuesday justice said that annual attacks remain a threat to officer safety across the country, and the number of attacks are Holding Steady at about 200 per year. , planned attacks, on Law Enforcement officers concluded that targeted violence risest officers was on the. Aj is on the line now from florida. You have had experience with Law Enforcement, go ahead, tell us about it. Had a lot ofi have experience with Law Enforcement over the last 14 years, probably 2025 interactions. My experience,to i want to make it clear because i think that the conversation is a little convoluted. I think the issue is the government killing citizens that are unarmed, as opposed to citizens killing citizens. Apples and oranges, they are both fruit, but one is the just, citrus,ot one is what is not. I have been pulled over in the last three years, seven times. m a black guy, host whats the explanation when you are pulled over . Caller usually im going 57 miles over the speed limit. There are legitimate reasons, but i have not gotten a ticket. One time an officer stopped me and said, happy birthday, make sure to her new your license journal cspan. Org. When it is a criminal interaction, it is usually about experience. Ive been arrested before for no withn, for resisting violence, that was the charge. I went to jail. Ive called 911 before, and the person and to ended up being the person getting charges. It has been a bad experience, when police are interacting with me in a criminal nature. Host thank you for sharing your situation. We have jean on the line from louisiana. Good morning. Caller good morning. You know what, i agree with the report,hat said this you know, the policeman just , go black folks to shut up way, and not complain. Like the lady who called and said she was an africanamerican woman, well, i am an africanamerican woman also. Black people are human too. Livess why we have black matter. Really, we have to point this out. Really, mr. Fbi chief, who paid you to make this bogus report . Asked to beent is accountable for their wrongdoing. They cannot do their jobs because they are being videotaped. My nephew is chief of police. He treats people with respect. This is what we required by Law Enforcement. Black people are not against Law Enforcement. Hold your back people accountable, and you would not have this problem. You would not have black lives matter. Please, give an accurate report, and stop lying. Thank you. Host that was jean from louisiana. And when writes on twitter, the largest factor in the rise of filing crime is the lack of good paying jobs. I bring that up because that is sort of a theme of what the president has been saying. Another headline, from the chicago tribune. Speech, concerns the president acknowledged that gun violence plagues chicago, but he said the root of the gun violence was broken in policy families and easily available. Uns for youth philip, a member of Law Enforcement, good morning to you. Are you active Law Enforcement . Caller no, im retired maritime Law Enforcement. Anyway, my whole situation, when i see the ferguson affect, i look at it, and the whole premise of ferguson, there was no Police Brutality. How do you have of Movement Based on a false premise . It is still put in the media that way, the ferguson affect, as if it is implied, the Police Brutality. Now you have a whole movement of antiLaw Enforcement based on a lie. It is absurd. Article, and an they were saying that the administration is t at odds, and using it as a political tool. Then, even air colder out, and had some disparaging remarks about that. I thought all of this is based on an investigation that is over, and found nothing. Now, you have all this violence, lying, and everything else. Back,human nature to pull out of fear for your career. Host the headline that you brought up, white house chief on with fbi scrutiny as a cause of crime. Here is got learners, the evidence we have so far does not that is what is taking place. We have helen on the line now from oklahoma, who has experience with Law Enforcement. Caller good morning. Host tell us about your situation caller . Caller i just wanted to say, i think this is more of a systemic problem. To see whatndency is on television or the media, and focus on those things, and not look at the systemic situation with Law Enforcement, the judicial system, the drugs. Hat come into the country we look at specific, on the street videos, and not the whole picture. Host mj from franklin, massachusetts, good morning to you. Are you there . Caller yes, sir. Good morning. Host glad to have you. What are your thoughts on the socalled ferguson of fact . What is your general view of police in your community . For taking my call. Looking at this from a broader affect, i think there are two things. Bias with in any system. First thing, it goes back to deescalation. Those who are serving and protecting us i have seen situations where they could have stepped in and navigated the situation better. I think that goes back to training. The second thing be a really missing here i notice we are hiring the problem. In some places the Police Officers enforcing have had horrible records. Keeping the problem, i know could go back to arbitration or unions. Thank you. This for abouto 10 more minutes. I will bring some other news into the picture here. This is the front page of the Washington Post, Russian Airliner crashes in sinai. Elsewhere, a story on cuba. They show a caretaker in the. Ater here relaxing the headline says, cubas island of broken dreams, improved relations offer hope. If you go to the editorial the formerm webb, senator from virginia, who recently dropped out of the president ial race, as a democrat, he writes this morning, it is becoming ever clearer that we are on the cusp of a new era, driven by the reality that a large percentage deservecans want and something different, and no more is that reality more clearly seen that in the president ial race where the extremes have become glaringly obvious. There can be no better answer than electing a president who an bring washington bipartisan administration to break the gridlock. I am in the process of deciding whether to about the campaign, writes jim webb. Back to the phones, just from indiana, good morning. Caller thank you for taking my call. I think the real problem starts there is no sense of respect for authority. Most of the problems that we find with police and the supposedly is is of brutality and over aggressiveness against with people resisting what the officer is saying to them. They fight with officer. By and large, please are out police are out to do their job effectively. If you start messing with them, it is like a rattlesnake. You get bit. I think there needs to be zero tolerance. E see this in classrooms too no respect for teachers. By education standards falling . People cant get education because teachers have absolutely classroom. In the that is tolerated. I will be honest, i put a lot of the blame on the Democratic Party that is looking to get the minority vote. They bend over backwards to facilitate them. It leads to all of this, i really believe that. Host ok. On to robert now in alabama. Robert is in Law Enforcement. What is your work situation . Caller right now i am unemployed. Hass the way government giveced different laws to police attitudes and where they can be questioned by some, and not others. Then, they want to get mad. For example, you take the incident with the child in the school system, where, yes, she was unruly, but it takes that much for the policeman to detain her . Couldnt there have been someone else there, a counselor, to kind of help the situation a little bit more than what it was . Involvedjust so much in policeman. Yes, we have good cops, we have backups. Some of the cops are so illiterate. Again, im not an educated person, but the police spokesman, thei educationalr background is left of mine. Until we take control of how we hire cops, and until each Community Takes control on some of the things that go around in their community, there would not be subject problem with policing. When you bring in police that have no interest in your thingsty, most likely will escalate beyond control. Host encase you have not seen it, there was sort of a fun video that was out there recently from here in the district of columbia. Some seriousness behind it. Easy, trying to break up a group of teens, and it led to the standoff this dance off. The onlooking teams cut the dance battle on their cell phones while a song played in the background. Danced facetoface for two minutes, and it was a draw, according to everybody there. That is a look at that interesting video that made a lot of news recently. James is calling from fort worth, texas now. What is your view of police in your community . Caller thank you for taking my call. I will try to be brief. I hear a lot of talk about black people do this, black people do that. That is the behavior of generational poverty and discrimination. It has nothing to do with race. Whether the white people want to admit it or not, black people have been left in line for everything ever since they landed on these shores, and blamed for a lot of it. On the police said, there is a we versus them mentality. When you see the violent temper, there is a lot of steroid abuse. A lot of people dont want to admit to that. When it does happen, the good cops will participate in the coverup. That is why the people in the poorest and most impoverished neighborhoods do not trust them. The good cop, when one of them loses their temper and executes as citizen on the street, it is hard to get justice. Those are the things that most of us do not realize. Do not confuse poverty and discrimination that goes on generation after generation with an identity or a raise. Anybody in that circumstance would behave with frustration and anger. When police lose their temper and overreact, instead of calling that out, and weeding those people out, that is where our problem is. Host thank you, james feared the last couple of calls here, beginning with susan from cincinnati. What you think about all of this . Caller i think it is all utterly ridiculous. I cannot believe what is going on in our country. Im here, like you said, and since 90, ohio, and i am petrified to go to the grocery store. Host how come . Caller i get jumped in the parking lot by young black kids, getting out of my car and tried to get in the store. I even get the officer inside to as courtney outside when i have my groceries gathered up because i am scared. I go Grocery Shopping once a month, and sometimes i even stretch it to month because i am petrified. I will say here without milk, or anything, because i am petrified. Host how do you get that to stop . Caller what do you think i think . Hite lives matter im white. I guess you could tell, voices, and stuff. I just the best i can because i like to look nice. I think they take on me because i may be skinny, and i dont know, dress nice, and im white, and have a nicer looking car. If an older car, but nice, i keep it clean. Host you say that Police Inside the store. Is that typically the case, with an officer in there . Caller yeah, i asked him, when im done shopping, if he would car, and help me. I usually use the excuse that i cant find my car, so he escorts me. I dont want to tell him every time i go in there you know what im talking about, im embarrassed. Host the last call hear from roseburg, oregon, it is duke. Good morning. Caller i think there is a real problem with the general consensus that the police are there to protect and serve the people. Have you ever seen a mayor get ed . Ered or chokehold no, it is just the people. I tell you what, you find out what the police are made of once you take their guns away from them, once and for all. How manyfind out vacate the premises, which is exactly what they will do when they dont get a chance to shoot someone. Host thank you to do for calling in. Tomorrow on the program, Heather Mcdonald from the Manhattan Institute will be on. Policing in the u. S. , post ferguson, will be the topic. We have Rebecca Shabad coming up next from cbs news. She will talk to us about the house and Senate Passing this billion budget deal. It also raises the debt ceiling. People think as deep as we can dig as deep as we can. Openshe Third Exchange out. We will get to perspective on the Affordable Care act, and an overall update on the log. Be right back. Being ladylike does not require silence. Why should my husbands job, or from beingent us ourselves . I do not believe that being first lady should prevent me from expressing my ideas. [applause] betty ford spoke her mind, was prochoice, and a supporter of the equal rights movement. For much of her familys public life, she struggled with drug and alcohol dependency, confronting her addiction to find her post white house years. Cspansd, tonight on original series, first ladies influence and image. From Martha Washington to michelle obama. Tonight at 8 00 eastern on American History tv on cspan 3. It is a very touchy business being the son or daughter of a dictator. You would not wish this kind of life on most people, really. It is a collection of very interesting, sometimes l urid, stories. There are stories of loyalty, nature nurture, politics, and even democracy. A, theht on q and author of childrens of monsters. Somewas able to talk to i wasedgeable people not able to talk to family members. Their only so many around, and only so many willing to say what they know, or divulge their feelings or experiences. I was digging around for any possiblydbit, that i could. These sons and daughters, some are famous and important, some become dictators, but most of them are footnotes and asides. You really have to date to find out about them. Tonight on cspans q a. Washington journal continues. Host i guess now is cbs reporter Rebecca Shabad, here to talk to us about this brandnew twoyear 80 billion budget that gets signed by the president tomorrow. What are the main headlines coming out of this debate . Guest the deal in general raises the debt ceiling and 10 into march 2017. The deal increases spending levels over the next two years through the end of september 2017. It would be split evenly, 80 billion between the pentagon and nondefense domestic programs. That basically means that the 2011 deal that Congress Passed to limit spending, they are. Rying to alleviate the caps even republicans feel that the limits they set in 2011 were too low. That is generally what the deal does. Host what did it take for folks to get to this point, an actual builill that is about to become law . Guest it was a huge shock. Gues democrats and republicans had and held alobbying budget summit over the summer. It was a huge surprise to many people. Host democrats, republicans, an thought,nts what we and of talking politics, we would an unravel this these by piece. Er,ongtime print report Rebecca Shabad. Here is one headline. Todo expect the signing happen tomorrow. Lets start walking through the piece is a little bit. You talk about the debt ceiling. Limit untilthe debt march 2017. Equate key date was coming in all of that, wasnt it . Was this coming tuesday. The white house and congressional leaders in the house and senate really got the deal done pretty quickly. What is interesting is these negotiations started in september. They happened in complete secrecy. They were completely confidential. They happened on the staff level, and among president obama, Mitch Mcconnell, nancy pelosi, harry reid. They have been talking back and forth since september, but we did not hear about it until last week erie it is interesting how it just materialized out of nowhere. Host it delayed the sequester and increases funding by 80 billion through september 2017. Remind us of what the sequester was, why it was put in place, and how they finally got past this. Guest it was a deal that the white house and Congress Reached in 2011 after this negotiation collapsed. Both sides later realized that the caps over the next decade through 2021, they have been too low for people in congress. When they are trying to put together these government funding packages every year, it is too low for them. They had done this before. We saw back in december 2013, paul ryan and patty murphy, the chairman of the Budget Committee at the time, they did basically the exact same thing. They put together a deal that would alleviate the spending limits. That deal expired in september. Now, this deal will take over the next two years. Other points. Of the bill temporarily shifts money from the Social Security fund into the Disability Fund. It avoids 52 premium hike for some medicare enrollees. Guest Speaker Boehner and nancy pelosi really applauded the way that the entitlement reforms came to be in this deal. The 52 premium hike was expected to happen for Medicare Part d beneficiaries next year, 8 Million People. This deal basically brings that about 15 . Wn to it is much lower. That is a huge deal. As far as Social Security and Disability Insurance, this is basically the biggest reform to that Program Since the early 1980s. What it basically does is it reallocates the payroll tax so it is more evenly distributed. What that will do is it will extend the Disability Fund until 2022, and prevent a 20 cut for beneficiaries. That was expected to hit next year. Host the bill also repeal the section of the Affordable Care act. Tell us about that. Guest it is part of obamacare that has not gone into effect yet. It is based the this provision that would require employees and at large employers to automatically enroll and health plans. This deal eliminates that provision. A lot of lawmakers applauded that provision in the legislation. Host our guess is Rebecca Shabad, cbs news reporter, here to talk about this budget deal that is expected to be signed by the president tomorrow, and become law. It eliminates a good number of debates that we have been bracing for in washington, at least for now. We will talk about the pay force and revenues in this bill. First, lets go to the phones. Good morning, bill. Like to say that this reporter here is very much part of the Democratic Party. Host house so . How so . Caller she said that the republicans supported. Not one in the state of georgia voted for this bill. This is a ridiculous bill. It allows the president to have and credit card, and spend as much as he wants. He does not care anymore. The whole thing is silly. It is proving that the whole system is corrupt. Basically, any republican who voted for this bill can expected more than likely go down in flames. Basically, what this reporter does not mention is the fact that Social Security is bankrupt. More money is going out than coming in. Cash wise, this is a business that would be bankrupt already. What we are doing is spending money that we are borrowing. Guest as far as the republicans who voted for this deal, i do agree with you that there were fewer republicans in the house for the deal than those who voted against it. There were about 79 who voted for it in the house, and the majority voted against it. Many of them were against raising the debt ceiling. They consider this bill to be a clean that feeling and greece increased. At the same time, Mitch Mcconnell and john boehner said that the deal increases the debt ceiling into 2017, but also has pay forwards that would offset that. It was basically a compromise that Mitch Mcconnell and john boehner were trying to get across to the republicans. I do understand your point. About the debt ceiling, there is this misperception that it is basically increasing Government Spending, whereas, we are paying bills that congress has already as Government Spending goes. That is all i have to say about that. , does the billd do anything to bring down the debt so we do not have to do this in 2017 . They must be a little mixed up here. Will it do anything to bring down the debt that we have now . Guest i would say no, but we always have increasing debt. The reason we had to increase the debt ceiling is because if we did not, by tuesday, we would head into default. That is really has really never happened before, as far as congress goes. They have always raised the debt ceiling. They have done it before the deadline hits. They have been able to do that. From lets your from david cincinnati. Are you there . Go ahead, sir. Caller what are they doing to he reform the Social Security fund . They took some money out of retirement to fund the Social Security disability so they could pay full disability benefits, right . Guest exactly. Theyre basically reallocating the payroll tax. The reason why congress decided to include that in this bill is because if they did not take any action been beneficiaries then beneficiaries would have received as much as a 20 it should extend until about 2022. As far as a lawmakers say. As far as the Disability Fund itself, there are some penalties that they would implement that would make it a little more that is included in this bill. It is a huge reform to Disability Fund. Caller it looks like our kids are going to get why act. If they put their sticky fingers it covers gets the sticky fingers and Social Security, they will never correct that. As far as disability, our medical system in this country is horrible. If the Insurance Companies, everything. It is totally correct. Like obamacare. People are paying more for it. Ryan, watch out people. We are on edge. Thank you so much. Guest as far as the Disability Fund goes, the we out here the payroll tax. Congress has done this a dozen times before. It is not anything different. This bill daley implements a huge reform to Disability Insurance fund. It is not like it is a huge overhaul of the entire Social Security program. Say, congress has to take baby steps. You cant include everything you want to do in one piece of legislation. The has voted first. The senate was 6435. We have a short clip from kevin brady. The republican from texas in the house. He was one of the 79 republican votes on all this. He explains why. Heres a short piece. I think it is dangerous to keep holding our military hostage for politics. We are at war. The opportunity to fully fund our military for two years with predictability and no more particle gains for that. , i will take that any day. He was denied it. Instead, he got serious entitlement reforms. I think significant ones. Reforms, it actually stop the rampant fraud in the disability from graham. This is really program. It rewards those who want to go back to work. Principles. Y at the end of the day, we insured america paid its debt in full and on time. For my key priorities, the blank checks, strong funding. Making sure we pay our debts. There are positive things in that agreement. That was an interesting quote from kevin brady. He mentioned the idea of increasing military spending. That was a huge priority for Congressional Republicans over the last year. The point I Kevin Brady was making about increasing military spending, not only does it increase in discretionary portion of the budget for the pentagon, but it increases what is called the pentagons more fun over the next few years by an extra 82 billion. Of 32 billion. It reflects the amount president obama requested in february. A lot of military hawks were happy with the deal. Ceiling, the debt thing kevin brady mentioned. I mentioned it earlier. John boehner and Mitch Mcconnell admit they would not be able to pass a standalone clean debt ceiling increase. And their minds, guesses is such a comprehensive deal that has all of these offsets and reforms, it is not a clean height. I should have added the kevin brady on newsmakers. On cspan it is kevin bradys. Weighing in on newsmakers. I have two comments. My first comment is that my Prescription Drug plan premium from a Major Insurance Company is increasing by 38 for 2016. Prescriptions have doubled for next year. The situation with health care for Senior Citizens has gotten absolutely absurd. Overrideing to be cost in terms of what we can afford. It is just incredible. My other comment is with. Elationship to miss chabad the fact that she ended the first caller used the word basically a halfdozen times each. The word basically is such a weasel word. It either is or isnt. It isnt basically friday night. It was friday night or not at all. As far as medicare goes, we discussed this before. The deal would prevent a 52 premium hike for Medicare Part b. Eneficiaries next year this delimits that amount. Happen thing that would is the deal would put in place a 2 cut for reimbursements to medicare doctors. Basically goes, it is just a conversational word i chose to use. Host can you explain why ssdi is going broke . Guest the Social Security program a lot of lawmakers have said they need to keep it going solvent for this next few decades in order for their amountto get back that they are paying into the system now. The Disability Fund does not get as much as the Retirement Fund gets. Putress will really have to together some sort of deal in into to extend the program 2060. Host what about nih ad cdc funding . The hs and fbi funding . It does not fund the government for the rest of the fiscal year. The deal increases Government Spending but basically increases the spending caps. What Congress Still have to do is pass a compress it Government Spending package by december 11. In that piece of legislation, that is what would increase Homeland Security funding, as far as the guidelines for this field, it would increase across the government and lawmakers would fear this field as the framework for those levels in the package. Is decemberdeadline 11. Does the budget include the tax extenders . If not, is congress so considering that . As far as i know, the deal does not include tax extenders. That could come up later in the year. It is something they could possibly attach to december 11 package. One thing that many people have is averting a Government Shutdown in december. That is not entirely off the table. What usually happens is both republicans and public democrats, and try and put in these policy riders and attach these policy provisions to these bills with could create some sort of impact. It has happened many times in the past. Tax extenders that could be attached to that piece of legislation later on. I am calling to ask a question regarding Social Security and medicare. We always talking about those two things. Does anybody say anything about. He freebie, ssi . And medicaid how are those people affected . How come no one is talking about doing anything about those people who have received the freebies . Deal, evenow this though it does touch on Disability Insurance and medicare, that was a priority from nancy pelosi especially with the 52 premium hike for Medicare Part b beneficiaries next year. That was the focus and target for the deal. The fact we are able to get a huge compliment. [indiscernible] what do advocates of fiscal restraint if you cruise this theyment, it is apparent do not do anything. What we have traded is an increase in the debt ceiling. Not just an increase in unspecified, an increase in the debt ceiling. We are set to president obama you can spend as much money as you want throughout the presidency. No limits. The National Taxpayer using rights, Taxpayer Union taxpayers should clearly opt for the latter. The agreement contains a few meritorious provisions. It fails other savings and Structural Reforms necessary to address our nations 18. 1 trillion debt problem. The debt is the number one problem in the country. We will have a that this evening and that vote will be do you care . Are you willing to do something to slow it down . Deepened our reuse leverage of the debt ceiling to slow down spending or are you a spender who will vote to bust the caps at who will vote to give president obama Unlimited Authority . I think it is a clearcut question. I will vote no and continued his filibuster as long as there are enough votes here to continue. Host tells about these structural forms senator paul is referring to. Guest his right to the offsets of this field. There announced that the of siding the 80 billion and Government Spending increase over the next two years. We mentioned the automatic enrollment for obamacare. This deal a lemonade that provision that would have gone into effect next year. A few other things this bill dies is it would allow for the irs to increase their scrutiny and make it easier to audit lodge large partnerships. Another thing you would do is of thef portions Strategic Petroleum reserve and sell off portions of the wireless spectrum. There are a number of things this does to try and is this to tried offset that increase in Government Spending. Host those offsets, are they truly before . According to the Congressional Budget Office, when its that their first evaluation of this hill a few days before if you hours before the house voted on it, they found a little tiny chunk that was not paid for in the offsets. There was a little bit of disagreement between the house and cbo. Convincep was able to the Congressional Budget Office that there were a force. As far as the 80 billion go, that is offset. For thebillion extra pentagons war funds, that falls outside the budget caps. Pleased with that extra 32 billion and funding. There is a military question here. Of a dubiousports 60 billion contract for a new military bomber that survived cuts. Do you know anything about that . Guest i do not. Host maybe we can research it for a future segment. Caller i have a comment. You want to fix Social Security and medicare overnight, lets never to these converts meant senators benefits. Lets try pride in iowa. Lets try brad in iowa. Is for thequestion cspan viewers, i would like to establish some credibility. I would like to know in the 2012 for she votedion, for and who she contributed to politically. I believe she has given us her opinion several times. I would like to know where her opinion is coming from. Host what did you hear that was opinion in her view . Is or what they that took out at you. When one color came in and asked about the offsets. How it adds to the national debt. How it fixesn Social Security. Guest brad, i have to say i did not give my opinion at all during this segment. I have laid out all of the facts and provisions and in the deal. That is all i have to say about that. Caller good morning. She isent is that sitting up there telling me how wonderful this deal is because the 50 increase is going to be less. Im sitting here with papers that i got last year when i retired, it states from our government that if there is no pulled entries, they will not raise part b. How are we supposed to believe the government by vicente paperwork that is a lie . My other comment is that were going to bring in 200,000 refugees. A refugee is entitled to every Government Program available for a minimum of 18 months. Something is not right here. Guest as far as medicare goes, in the deal as i said, it does limit that 52 hike that was expected to hit beneficiaries of Medicare Part b next year. It is in legislation, that is what the government is going to do. Host another call. Dennis is on the line. Caller thank you for cspan. My question is when they vote on this budget, why do they always becoming a for agriculture . They have this insurance here which is 4 billion over budget from last year. They still spec it in for the next three years. It has destroy the earth, the rivers are polluted, they have pickup trucks to haul six buildups law. All of theers farmers are in offices throughout the country. The corruption comes from agriculture because farmers are in congress. This all has to stop. Lets get to the details with our guests. Over the next decade, the cut as it stands now would 3 billion in subsidies to crop tonce cut the knees Crop Insurance companies. This of sign number of lawmakers from heavily agricultural states , leadership on the Agricultural Committees because they were not involved in this negotiation. Manys a major surprise to of them because over the last year, whenever proposes like this have come across their desk, they have opposed every single one of them. It is also because in the 2014 farmville that Congress Passed, thats already cut a pretty big crop of subsidies to subsidies. That was a huge problem for many lawmakers on the hill this past week. It caused snacks in the process. Leadership has a fairly promised the leaders on the Agricultural Committee and lawmakers from heavily agricultural states that those cuts will not appear at least in the Government Spending package that congress will have to pass by middecember. Assurance and that basically persuaded a number of this lawmakers to vote in favor of this deal. Host michael is interested in knowing of the date that of the debt price referral. Guest deal would allow the government to sell about 58 Million Barrels from the Strategic Petroleum reserve. That would raise revenue and offset that increase increasing 80 billion in Government Spending over the next years. Host where selling petroleum. Eserve as a record is that a great time to sell an asset . The obamafar as administration goes, they feel that it should be ok to do. 600 Million Barrels. This would be a small portion of that oil. Host lets hear from don. Good morning. Im a littleoing . Befuddled on something. Powersear from liberal that as far as economics in the Public Sector excuse me the private sector, the theory is that it will not work. Get of capitalism, it does not work. When it comes to micromanaging in this country and running it hell, the federal Government Works just fine. I am just a little befuddled by that. Went what irks me is the term entitlement. Lets go back to biblical times. Every day for those people. He told them to take what they needed. Those are blessings. Not entitlement. These people get disability and food stamps. It is not entitlement. They are blessings. That is my comment. I would appreciate. Guest for a pretty long time, it was a huge priority for Speaker John Boehner and Mitch Mcconnell to implement longterm antenna reforms. It was a huge priority for Congressional Republicans in general. This was their opportunity to negotiate with the white house. To try and reform a small portion of Social Security, Disability Fund, and medicare. That was basically the priority in this deal. Hello. Thank you for taking my call. My question is, when does it stop . Obama has had an open enrollment to take money for whatever he going to since im a deal with you because youre not giving me what i want. When is that attitude stop . Had taken money from Social Security. He has taken money from everything just because he is the president. When do we stop giving him an open checkbook . He needs to be stopped. People do not need to keep getting raises. And house keep getting raises of money. Correct . They get their races. They need to stop getting there races braces and put that money to paying off the budget. Host a couple of different points. The approach by the white house. Guest the white house has said that they want to alleviate the spending caps power were put in place by the 2011 deal. This was a big success for the white house as far as that goes. There been were pushing they have been were pushing publicans on the hill. If john boehner had not announced his vision to do to resign in september, who knows if we would have had this deal at this point. It is an interesting set of dominoes that fell into place. Host where talking about congressional salaries, too. Guest a number of people are upset about lawmakers salaries. Even some lawmakers have said in the past that they would be willing to limit or free their salary. That is not the consensus on the hill. Lisa writes on twitter that this budget agreement is not helping anything but creating more poverty, pain, and suffering. Goes, as far as the deal as far as democrats go, they feel like this is exactly what they wanted. Maybe an increase in Government Spending by the amount that they wanted over the next does been years. 80 billion that is pretty huge. It just goes to show we are probably going to be right back at this point at the end of 2017 one lawmakers one lawmakers, again, when lawmakers, need to put together another deal that increases spending limits. As austerity, it was a huge accomplishment for democrats. Even republicans have agreed those caps were too low. At first, paul ryan distance himself from the deal right before the house was going to vote on it. He was also facing the vote among his House Republican become the nominee for the next speaker. He was trying to walk a fine line there. He finally decided he would vote in favor of this deal which was not a huge surprise. He negotiated a similar deal back in 2013. ,s far as speaker ryan goes when he was elected and sworn into office last week, he did say he wants to return to regular order in congress. Pass spending bills on time. Lets see if that happens. You might try and prevent these crises from emerging later on when these deadlines have come up. A speaker ryan position himself for december 11 when the government funding runs out . Guest appropriators on the hill , the leaders of the Appropriation Committee have already said as soon as the deal was attacked by the house, they agree they need to get to work immediately on this negotiations. Lets see. We might have some sort of on the bus spending package that would fund the government through next september. Well before the december alignment headline. Host back to the phones. Caller good morning. My comment is on the spending bills. People try to pick them apart and theyre looking at the trees rather than the force. Are a jobsg Bills Program if you look at it. Disseminated through the at the best disseminated throughout the added states there is not anywhere you cannot find the government footprint. In wisconsin, we build ships. In to eachey coming individual state and we depend on our elected officials to handle that part. Let them worry about the forest. Stope really need to thinking about their own problems when it comes to these huge bills. If you want to have a small problem, go to your state. Im sorry, people are beating up on the guest here. Hey, shes just reporting. I thank you for taking my call. Host just a couple callers, right . Guest i appreciate that. Many lawmakers appreciate this as a major investment as something that will drive the economy forward it is something that will be an interest in peace as we head into the 2016 election. Tro from minnesota. Caller thank you cspan. I wanted you to be honest and throughout fact that the last 40 years Social Security has been one of the major Funding Sources for the wars that we have been involved with. I thought of this country. For the increased proposal the lives of dollars in the war war fund, i have a suspicion that the last three or four years where paying for wars from Social Security. One of the most high discussed ics of had to keep funded of how to keep it funded. What our baby boomers are going to be flooding the market and need the Social Security dollars which is supposed to be a net for people who need the money. Not for people who are making millions of dollars and still collected their Social Security. I cant talk too much about the connection between Social Security and funding the pentagons war fund. As i said earlier, president obama basically asked tom Royce Congress that they do increase the war find now that the u. S. Is involved in the operations overseas to fight isis. Guest republicans working on getting those increases into this deal. Most lawmakers, aside from the budget talks, were pretty happy and satisfied with that provision. Host we have time for a couple more calls. First, in this deal, was there anything major left undone that they cannot get past that might be taken up at some point . That wasother portion not included in the deal was the reauthorization of export import charterarter banks that expired at the end of june. It was not included because when this deal materialized, the house was already moving forward xma vote to reauthorize the bank anyway. That built it passed the house last week. Bill did pass the house last week it. T with your from aegon yvonne in michigan. Guest i love your program and there is one thing i have to say. They are raising medicare, but ssi seems to be the new welfare system. Whole families are on it. They get food stamps. They get all their medical care paid for by medicaid. They keep having to pay more. I think its not right. If it went up 50 , i would have dropped out because my amount is only 405 a month. Is 1500. We qualify for no food stamps or help on drugs or anything. Me 900. Tion cost we have to pay for extra Health Insurance. Yeardeductible is 360 a from medication. Host things for sharing your situation. Any reaction there . Guest as i said, lawmakers in congress have to take babies that when it comes to performing the entitlement programs. Both republicans and democrats as well as the white house deals this deal did perform at least the Disability Fund to the point that its one of the biggest reforms since the early 1980s. Looking forward, maybe Speaker Paul Ryan will implement some of theproposals to overhaul Social Security program to try and keep it solvent for decades to come. Host cedarville, kansas is our last call. Welcome. Guest thank you. What i wanted to say about it if she said something about the doctors would take a cut from medicare. If they do that, they are going to raise their office calls and everything else. Paying 179 to medicare now because im being penalized for the rest of my life. If medicare raises their payments, even the 15 , i will drop medicare and i will just going to the doctor. Host can you clarify her point . Guest the 2 cut, that was so that the spending levels are all set over the next decade. Mandatory spending caps are increased until 2025. Forar as the premium hike medicare, that is something that lawmakers and the white house wanted to limit down to the 50 next year. Going from 52 to 15 , they were pretty happy about that. Host rebecca shabod is a reporter for cbs news, on the job for about a month. Prior to that, spent time working on the hill as a writer and an npr affiliate in syracuse, new york. For your time and all the detailed information. Guest and for having me. Host we have about 90 minutes left. 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For background on you want, or your copy of the landmark cases companion book. It is available for 8. 95 at www. Cspan. Org landmark cases. Washington journal continues. Host today is an another enrollment. Another enrollment day. Here to talk about it is dr. Alice chen with doctors for america. And we also say hello to joseph antos who is a scholar over at American Enterprise institute. Lets start with this headline. It talks about obamacares tough road ahead. It may be the toughest enrollment. Period ande toughest moment yet. What you think it will be such a there are 10est million additional people who are eligible to sign up for health plans, but they dont know. The big challenge is how to make sure those people are getting covered . Joseph, what you see is the big challenges . The first year, there was a huge push on the part of , and the government put a lot of money and promotion. People talked about it. It was in the newspapers every single day. It is old news now. But everybody reads the same stories. Host the phone number is on the bottom of the screen for our two guests. In roman. Begins Enrollment Period begins today. From your insurance employer, call this number. If you are uninsured, try this number we got lots of headlines to get into. I did notice this piece in the National Journal and said that obamacare enrollment is about to be with is about to reopen almost no one knows about it. Your comment about it not being new, about 50 uninsured uninsured 50 americans know about this. Of americans know about it. It is not so shiny and new and not in the new so much. Only is the market place opening today, but the deadline for getting covered starting january 1 is december 15. That is a really important date. Need people to understand that they can go online. Guest how is the law working in your view . It is a pretty big deal. As a doctor, i have seen more people getting the care they need. I had a patient who had Heart Failure or a very long time and it know it. He couldnt. Breathe. He couldnt he was having fluid building up in his lungs. He did not know what to do u ntil he got covered by obamacare. He came in and got help and went back to living his life. Host joseph, how about you . Guest people had expectations that simply could not be met. I think people thought they would get effectively free coverage. That did not happen. Havingf people are still to pay a considerable amount relative to their incomes. That is the issue. Is one thing to get a premium subsidy, it is another thing to get a subsidy for costsharing. If you get down to it, a lot of people covered, are still finding it difficult to pay their share of the bill. A lot of people are very disappointed about their access to physicians. They have access to hospitals. Hospitals take everybody, lets face it. But depending on what plans you have, depending on lots of other things, you may not have great access specialists. Guest more on the financial peace, we read this headline in many papers that the u. S. Is same as folks need to shop around at healthcare. Gov because the prices are going up. But you tell us about the cost . Guest there are parts of the country where prices are going up and parts that they are going down. This is a huge change. Premiums will be going up and down for the next several years. It is very important that if you got coverage last year, you go on to the exchange and find out what plan will work for you. Especially if you are one of those people who signed up for high deductible plans and did not know what that meant. To noteally important only go to the website, but to talk to somebody in person. There are free consultations you can get with people who understand Health Insurance. Guest what are the higher prices this time around . Guest this is the till to the Insurance Companies in the exchange are coming to grips with a couple of realities. They charge too little in the last two years. Companies didnt have any experience with their enrollees. Some were covered before and simply did since we changed to other coverage. Most of these companies did not know they were dealing with. Furthermore, when you start up a business, you tend to give a discount and price low. Era of low prices is pretty much over. I think we are going to see substantial increases. 7. 5 increase. It depends on where you live and what plan you have. Its absolutely the case that if you dont shop around and dont look into the costsharing, the deductibles, copays are making a big mistake. Premiumsshing the because thats what they know. What people need to know is about a lot of the plants. Guest there is a new tool on healthcare. Gov helping people pick a plan based on how much care they are getting. If you get low, medium, or high amounts of care, it will give you an estimate. It will give you an estimate of how much you will be paying. Host before we get to calls, hhs put out an ad telling folks throughup healthcare. Gov, specifically, they can get some Financial Assistance through all of this. Is what they are putting out . Who sign up on healthcare. Gov sign up for financial help to lower their monthly premiums. Many find low premium plans for less than 75 a month. Our quality plans that include andrage for doctors visits Prescription Drugs. Gov. Up at health attractive,ounds but it isnt necessarily the plan for a specific individual. They have to really look and see are their doctors covered, prescriptions covered . As alice said, can they afford the copayments . Host dr. Chen. Guest it is really important people understand that is financial help available because the vast majority of people dont have Health Insurance because its too expensive. That is one of the most important messages that have not gotten out who should be signing up for coverage signing up for coverage. Host lets get to calls, gary from indiana. You are up first, good morning. Caller hello. Intended, but sometimes it seems like the system is doctored up as we say. The people responsible for that, its like, what people are so susceptible to getting sick. Thats a gold mine. That is not the way it ought to be. We needs of in that includes the human factor. I would like to ask dr. Chen something now. I saw a commercial where there was a lady who said she was only paying 52 a month for her lupus, and now its up to 377. Was it because she picked the wrong plan . Your thoughts russia mark . Guest its hard to say. If someone has lupus and chronic conditions that needs medical care, prescriptions, tests, it is extra important that they not only shop around for plans, but it helped them someone who understand Health Insurance to go through all of was a need to make sure they are getting the right plan and not paying more than they ought to. Host joseph, the white house took time to lower expectations going into all of this with the signups. Why arent more people signing up . House so, the white directly says that its going to be tough this time around. They are predicting 10 Million People signing up on the exchanges and i dont think they really said anything about medicaid. It will definitely be 9 million or 10 Million People. They are being realistic. Some people say that the white house is lauren expectations so period,the end of the they can say they beat the standard. I dont buy that. I think this is a realistic view of the number of people who can sign up and the people who will do it. One thing we have to remember is that people dont really like to do with Health Insurance. It is complicated. I find it, located and i have a business. The idea of people shopping around, its very challenging. I think a lot of people will not shop around. We see that among people who have coverage through employers. Henll hear from dr. C statere are 14 marketplaces. Seven state partnership marketplaces. Three federally supported marketplaces. Do you want to respond . [laughter] guest it is so hard. Health insurance is so complicated. I am a doctor and i work in this business as well. Thisreally have to do again . Is it really november again . It is so important, especially eq have a chronic condition, with this, diabetes. There is help. It is a few hours of your life, but it is worth it. From newzabeth cohen jersey. Elizabeth is uninsured. Good morning. But i i mentored myself, was calling because i was talking about relatives. Myself, but id was calling because i was talking about relatives. Know, i believe intoylvania did not buy thecaid expansion under former governor, i think that has changed, so maybe this will improve. They are having great difficulty getting a plan that works for them that they can afford the premiums and it doesnt have very, very high deductibles where many times go most of the year without all of the year before they get anything covered for copays and such. Posted and set so high. Set so high. Been i think that used to be addressed in all the states because why are people paying for a premium that is high and cant access because they 6000t met 5,000, dollars, whatever that is each year . Thank you. Guest unfortunately, the way to look at this, you can either pay up front with a high deductible, or you can spread it out over 12 months by paying a high premium. The reality is that the cost of health care for a typical person buying insurance on the word iss not the not lowered. It simply spread out. Subsidies are related to their income. Depending on what their income is, they may just be in trouble. The other aspect is depending on where you live, you may live in a high cost area where health care is expensive. Subsidies are not attuned to that. Thats another big issue. Pennsylvania is at. Guest i think it is a really tough situation because health care is expensive. People are doing much better with the tax credit or with medicaid. I think as a doctor who sees people who are on the other side of not having gotten Health Insurance because they thought they couldnt afford it and now they have tens of thousands of bills to pay, it is an expensive fori know it is hard families, but it is so important to be covered in case something happens. And no one was to think something may happen, but it is always a possibility. It is important to have coverage because if you are in the hospital you are getting care, and you are not picking about will i lose my house . Host what about the penalties for not having insurance . What are the currently . St the current is 600 95 695 or 2. 5 of your income. What impact will that difference make on the process . Guest i dont think it will make much difference at all. You are unaware of this. Furthermore, the penalty is supposedly paid through your tax return next year. Doesnt work very well. If you want to get people to understand that they have to buy insurance, then the penalty has to be more up front. Is youre going to pay this now or by insurance. Instead, it is put off. The other problem is that a lot of people are going to find that they would have been eligible for subsidies, but they didnt all taxes this year because he never filed tax if they dont make enough money to file taxes. They are not used to that. I think a lot of people are going to find that they are going to lose their subsidy starting in january because they did not file the form. Host lets go to mike in new york city. Caller good morning. Thank you so much for taking my call. Thank you to your guests for being present. I wanted to take a different aspect. I am a physician. I am in private practice and selfinsured. Im selfemployed. I wanted to give a few observations. The people who artfully subsidized or partially subsidize are doing very well. What percentage of those 17 Million People are partially subsidize . How much are actually paying the costs . The people who are paying so costs are paying a low premium, but their deductibles are extremely high. They are not even utilizing the care. They are paying outofpocket because they cant afford the deductible. If the patient can afford a 2000 or 3000 premium for a 7,000 deductible, where the coming up with the 7,000 bid up the bull to pay me . Doctors are getting short selled. Lets expand medicaid. That is what you are doing when you are gainfully subsidize. I dont understand the point of this whole thing. We were supposed to help that ended rid of that, but all that it is done it ca has limited the maybe the ultimate plan is to have a one party payment. Host mike, thanks for your thoughts. Lets hear from our guests. I work with a, lot physicians and there are different perspectives there are doctors who are very excited to be taking patients who are on the obamacare plans because their patients are finally covered and they are finally able to afford the care they need. Peculiarcity is a very Insurance Market where there are a fair number of positions who dont take insurance for berries reasons. I think who dont take insurance for various reasons. About 5e currently Million People in the country who are in states that should have expanded medicaid, but havent yet. Those people are in a coverage gap where they cannot get care without having to pay for it outofpocket. That is a really important piece. Call the Insurance Companies evil, but they are just businesses. He has a business as well. Everyone needs to get paid for the services they provide. And thed to get paid Insurance Company needs to get paid. State contract with Insurance Companies because states cant do it here and they need to hire with the companies skill and connections with physicians and others to take care of the bills, take care of the patients from a financial standpoint. There is no getting around insurance anthonys but to expand medicaid. Insurance, but to expand medicaid. Host since the passage of the have 4 Million People 60. 4 Million People have gained insurance. Million uninsured have gained insurance. Lets go to caller good morning. I am 73 years old so i have medicare. Iquestion to you folks is come across blue cross and blue shield to buy my supplement plan. They offer one that you do not pay a premium for. It is also. If you go in for your yearly checkup, no fee, everything is covered. And lo and behold, i got the rewards card from Blue Cross Blue Shield for walgreens for 15 for doing that. And when i got my mammogram, free, 15 reward card. Anyway, i get a 90 day supply of the drugs i take and they dont cost me more than 15 per month on this plan. If iknow the bad thing is have to go to the hospital, i would have to pay the first 300 for the first four days if i am there that long, and they pick up, along with medicare, the rest of my expenses. I tell my friends who are paying 300 or 400 a month for a regular across blue shield, and if you figure that out and you go to the hospital for three days or four days, and they have been paying this for a few years. They have been paying since 65 and i am fairly healthy, but i am saying, why is this not more well known . I have a sister who lives in california and i told her that she goes, that is impossible. Number andl this 800 the answer was, it is not available in california, so i question to you is this should be known to more seniors. Am i not right . Just tell me. Host thank you. Guest if you are on medicaid, you are not really part of the Affordable Care act or obamacare. That is a separate program altogether. I am a little surprised to hear this because i believe medicare supplements do tend to charge something for their services, but more power to you, lou. I think in general, medical beneficiaries are aware of their options. Medicare supplements are popular with the medicare population because they do not want to deal with the hassle and pivot deductibles, pay the hospital deductible which is about 100 1100 this year and there is a deductible for Physician Services and so on. If you are not buying a medicare on medicaidy be which is a supplement in itself four people, or you may have coverage through another form. Very few people do not have supplementary coverage. Chen, they ask, what is the Quality Health care people are getting on the aca . Are they still going to the er . Why . Guest the quality is quite good. The majority of people who have signed up are able to see a primary care doctor and the wait times are not longer and they can get the care they need. There are some people going to the er because they realize they have coverage, so that they have an asthma attack, they go to the er. I think there is an education phase to be done on how to use your Health Insurance. A lot of people newly insured have never had a primary care doctor and the other person you call when you are not feeling well to get it feisty for go to the er and wait for hours. Are some rises in going to the er and part of that is our responsibility to make sure they are educated. Host michael wants to know if dr. Check and give us back on on doctors for america and your involvement annual area of medical practice. Guest doctors for america is a National Organization across all 50 states where they have all specialties across different studies from fellow to private practice to large academic centers. You come together to really get doctors involved we have come together to get doctors involved with matters that impact patience and practice. Our focus is making sure everyone has access to affordable and highQuality Health care and they have access to resources that they need to lead a healthy life, whether that is healthy food, safe neighborhoods, and making sure we are really expressing concerns of our patients. Because i was set up with patients not been able i was fed up with patients not been able to get the care they need, said that with patients could only eat doritos for lunch, and i decided in addition to taking care of patients oneonone as a physician, that i wanted to be involved in improving policies. Host clarence from ohio. Good morning. Caller good morning. Dr. , i listened to your conversations and then i hear youre part of the doctors for americas stuff which sounds good, but what is wrong in america that we have made doctors, Insurance Companies, hospitals kings . Why is it that in other countries, that seemed to have blessed to we do in america, ken provide health care for the people at no charge . You are a doctor, would you have voted for insurance for everyone for nothing . That is what we need in the u. S. What we are doing is so wrong. Muscular duster feet and i have for all of my life until i could not anymore connect cannot do anymore. I am suffering because i worked. , the companyility i had interested with my wife says they do not want to cover spouses no more, so now i have to pay insurance for it. Help that doesl anything for anyone in this country at all like that. Single payer system. What do you people think . Host lets hear from dr. Chen first. I am sorryt of all, you are in that situation. It is important for us and the strength of the nation and the more fiber of our country that we are making sure that everyone can pay coverage. , it islook at a single not exactly free because everyone pays taxes. I do think that exactly what you are doing right now is so important because a lot of times we think somebody else has all the power and health care and it is the Insurance Company, the doctors, the pharmaceuticals, voicesernment, but the of individual people are so important and we have to be raising those voices because every situation is different. We have to create this Health Care System and shift the Health Care System in a direction that serves everyone to make sure you get the care you need and can afford. Anis really in everybody everybodyin situation. Caller health free, health care is not it is expensive. Doctors and hospitals get paid a lot. If you went there is singlepayer system, you would have much higher taxes. If you are low income, a b will get a break, but if you are the maybe welln, get a break, but if you are an average american, youll pay higher taxes because america is not known for being efficient with their programs. Costs arestrative just as i or if not higher than of the u. K. Health care than private insurance over 65, so there is really no free lunch. I think that they fear that many of us have is that if you did go to a singlepayer system, then you get much more government control. You have much less patient control over your own health care and that is a big issue. Host robert would like to know how many people you think cannot afford to use the health care due to the high deductible . Guest i do not have figures on it is at i do know that problem. I think a lot of people when they first signed up for Health Insurance through the marketplace, they looked at the premium and they did not necessarily factor in all of the other costs. They picked the plan with the lowest premium and stuck with a higher deductible, so i think it is a problem and part of the learning process for the American Public and that the people should really be looking at that if you are covered right now and you do not like the plan, look for something better. Host we will get an update on the Health Care Law and retirement policy director with joseph antos and with dr. Alice chen. One remind us of what the upgrades are. Guest one of the main upgrades is being able to look at if you use the medium or high amounts of health care. It helps you guess how much money you will be paying for health care throughout the year. In this more mobile friendly, so you can sign up on your iphone if you dont have access to a computer. Those are a couple. Host one of that one of the upgrade will arrive sometime soon is a program that is supposed to enable you to find out more easily whether your positions are covered. That turns out the government has had trouble doing that. They are supposedly testing that system, but a couple of years ago they had trouble with computer systems, so it is a huge it it is a gigantic improvement. If you think you have a plan that you want to pick, call them. Number and you can find out if your doctor is covered. Host mike in texas, thank you for waiting period good morning. Caller good morning. This is mike and i would like to make a comment first. I traveled the world and i want to point out that even though we have a lot of problems with our health care and the cost, people in russia and the former soviet union, china, africa have such poor health care. He would love to be the United States, so people should realize how good we havent actually. Second, my question is i think you just answered it. We are fortunate enough that we are not we dont get subsidies under the Affordable Care act, but last year, we found insurance that was much better there we had had previously through the government website. This year, texas has lost a number of Insurance Companies, so we are searching again. I am wondering, for people not getting a subsidy, is the government website the best way to find an insurance policy and to be able to find out if your positions physicians and drugs are covered, etc. , etc. . Host i think he is done. Guest the government website is a star, but you can also since you are not eligible for subsidies you can also buy coverage through the private market and i would look there because few may find a better deal there then you will in the exchange. Guest i agree. I would go through an insurance broker, if you can, and you dont generally have to pay them. In otherompensated words, so ill it go through somebody who understands the market in texas and in your area. Host from the headlines, nearly half of obama care coops are closing and they write that nearly half of the 23 nonprofit insurance plans created under obama care in 2011 at the cost of 2. 4 billion have announced they will close by the end of the year. Is thearches health plan 10th to announce their closing their doors and will come soon after the administrations decision to provide the 2. 6 of the 2. 7 billion that ensures were seeking to offset by higher insurance costs. Reaction . Guest not at all unexpected. Coops are new inventions. Priorave zero experience to 2014, 0 experience in Health Insurance, and they generally do not have the expertise. Any did not have information about who their clients will likely to be, so they did not know how much of it cost. Furthermore, as i mentioned earlier, when you start a new business, you tend to go big and coops tend to be operated by people who have good intentions but may not be that wise about financing, so i think across the board, offered low premiums and they cannot make it. Host dr. Chen . Guest the idea of a coop is a great one that you have been nonprofit, communitybased insurance option for people who may not find what is right for them with big insurers, and there many coops have done really interesting work in providing more coordinated care, personalized care, and some coops are doing well. Unfortunately, i agree with joe, it is an entirely new market and some of these coops were not able to be sustained when they were not able to get the initial funding. Guest host the 12. 6 , that is how they are supposed to work. Guest the ac law says that the program is the aca law says the program is supposed be budget neutral and the should know be there should not be additional subsidies to the plan. The idea was that of the corpse did well, they were supposed was that of the coops did well, they were supposed to subsidize the ones that did poorly. Host in florida, good morning. Caller i wanted to make a comment and couple of questions. Told that the object of the government is the safety of the country, the defense of the country and the people. To me, that should include the goodness of their people and how well they are because a country that has no help the is no good. That should be one of their jobs. In other countries, the Health Care Comes under Social Security. When you are born here, you get your birth certificate and Social Security number. That should help you get Minimal Health care, basic health care from the time your point to the time you die. I will use some european countries, you can have extra health care at a cost, but at the least, as a citizen, should be able to walk into a doctorss office, show your Social Security card and get basic health care and Preventive Health care. Comment. Y why cant we do Something Like that . And whole hobnob of coop looking on the computer for this, that, and by the way, as quickly as your guests are answering questions, the whole situation in the world is fluid. Coops going broke, down, and lastly, to make two with a major mergers going on that will affect prices. Etna,ont think united, at all these guys there is something wrong. It should be simplified. Ityou want extra coverage, would be extra cost. When i fill up my taxes, i should be able to say, yes, i want to pay extra taxes and i am covered. We know nothing is free, that is all be us. At least, we have coverage for the price. On another note, this is depression this is a question, what stops the person from not paying the tax penalty rather than the premium and just walk into the emergency room rather than carry insurance . Host dr. Chen . Guest i agree we should have health care for everyone in this country. Theof the things that Affordable Care act has done is to start moving us toward a mindset that health care is a right and not a privilege, but we are not quite there yet as a country. I think a lot of people say, well, i should have health care but what about that guy down the street . Does he really does have health care . I think it is important for us to talk to each other and talk to our elected officials about the fact that everybody, no matter what kind of person they are or how much they may, should have health care and that is a first step in the direction of the future. Host the New York Times has a cease and heres the headline state policy stand out in the second year of the Affordable Care act. They say it regional patterns are emerging about who has Health Insurance and who still doesnt. The remaining uninsured are primarily in the south in the southwest. They tend to be poor, live in republicanleaning states, and the rates of people without insurance in the northeast and the upper midwest of falling into the Single Digits since the main law divisions have kicked him. It is still a problem for many americans. Guest this definitely relate to the fact that a number of states did not expand medicaid. It was their decision and the Supreme Court said, pick a side. Is, especiallyty i think most states will expand because there is this gap, however, states cannot count the very large subsidies that they are getting now and the subsidies will go down. There is no question in my mind that the matching rate will drop down to the standard matching rate. New york state is 50 of the for theirdicaid standard medicare and medicaid program. Nonetheless, i do think the states will be expanding the medicaid programs. Tend toh and southwest be low income areas, so part of it is that even with subsidies, you are still seeing a huge financial barrier. Does that mean we need to have Government Health care or government insurance, health care is provided by doctors but not the government, but we need to start from where we are to build the program. To be clear isg that right now, the way the law is written, the federal government pays for all of the Medicaid Expansion and parking at 90 . What happens in the future remains to be seen, but looking at your map, you look at illinois right next to missouri, illinois expanded medicaid and illinois and missouri did not. Illinois is much more covert and they are right next door to each other. It is really time for states to expand medicaid. There is an estimated 5000 people dying every year because their states have not expanded medicaid. Sure, eventually, we think they will expand, but the person who there was ase story in idaho. The young woman at 36 years old who died of an asthma attack because her state did not expand medicaid. She was two days away from Health Coverage and it was too late for her. Host lets go to mark in indiana. Go ahead, please. Caller i wanted i am selfemployed, a farmer, and i lost my insurance before because of the Affordable Care act because the plan i was happy with it but it was not up to the standards. Indiana,ea, central the three nearest hospitals only accept one plan and it was not. Hat they had been with before it is 500 more a month and the deductible is 3000 more a year, plus, they do not knock down the and them did. Did. E tests like anthem i have tests every year, and the werebefore last, they 528, and i played 120 two dollars after they knocked down. This pastor, there were 500 68 568 and i 338 paid hundred 38 dollars. The doctors were happy because 338. The doctors were happy and hospitals because they got paid more but i cant pay that. How many of the people that they consider uninsured were forced off of insurance because of aca. And then i had the guys you have been talking to about the coverage. Well, in indiana, you could walk into any hospital and they have to take care of you whether you pay them or not. That is the way it has been for years. Those people who are uninsured are getting health care, and i know a few people who have tried or are on subsidized coverage but they cannot afford the premiums now because short of a zero premium, they cannot afford it. That is my idea on the deal. Host lets you from our guest joseph antos and begin with. Lets hear from our guest, joseph antos. Guest he points out that he had insurance before and with obamacare, a lot of Insurance Companies had to drop the plans they were offering because they did not cover the socalled essential benefits. The word essential is a political tomfoolery as opposed to it is necessary for every single patient to get those benefits. What happened is that a lot of plans that were lowercost, did a better job for people who bought those plans can no longer be sold and they have to expand their benefits and charge higher premiums. There is no cure for that, short of changing the law. That has seemed to be what happened to a lot of people who had coverage and they had this problem. A person who died because they did not have health care insurance, it is not simply because he did not have insurance but they do not go to the doctor, the hospital. What you just said what he just said was right. If you are seriously ill, go to the emergency room. To not for the round or think it has to do with money, worry about health first and payment later. It will work out. Host the larger question about health care on twitter, how much of Health Care Costs are selfinflicted . Smoking, obesity, high risk behaviors, like of exercise, dui, and texting and driving . What are the trends . A huge portion of Health Care Problems that are preventable. I would not say it is entirely selfinflicted and some is societal, but the rates of diabetes, health disease, accidents because of texting while driving, so many things are happening because we not putting health first. We need to make sure that our kids are eating healthy foods, they have recess in school, pe, our neighborhoods are safer, and that all of us are individuals that take control of our health and doing the most that we can to make sure we are healthy. All of what we are talking about with the deck to full scum of premiums, the cost of the government and family all of that will continue to go up unless you get a handle on chronic disease in this country and a handle on preventable disease. I think that is more critical than anything else we are talking about. Host i have two more calls, ohio, glenda. One is. Gwenyth. Morning. Ood im so happy to get on here. I am 87 years old and i am on medicaid and what is happening here in ohio with governor kasich, about one month or so ago, has put 19 on anyone who once to sign up for medicaid. I do not think that is right. I think that is criminal. The seniors really do not like put quite a bit of cutting in ohio and people andlooking at his record every law he put in when he was first put in was unconstitutional. People should look up his record. If he gets to be president , we are in trouble. , they call iting gave metive care, they a problem with giving the estrogen pills years ago and then i got cancer from it. The Pharmaceutical Company still sells them. They have a problem. A data in a couple of beers and have to take chemo. That should be preventable for pharmaceutical companies to stop selling estrogen. It is in the Birth Control pill. Host thank you, gwenyth. Guest i will try to address the medicaid issue but not ohio because im not sure what happened, but if you are a Medicare Beneficiary and you have low income or exceptionally high costs, you are eligible for full coverage of medicaid. You are called dual eligible, so Medicare Coverage and medicaid basically takes up the rest. I think this lady has a special circumstance. In general, it is a very good deal for low income. Host dr. Chen . Guest i think there has been some move to figure out had we get lower income people to get into the system. Areink for seniors, people getting their medicare and medicaid and they should be set, but for your average americans under the age of 65, it can certainly be a challenge. I personally think that trying to get very poor people to pay into a system is not going to help in any direction. I dont think it is a great idea. Illinois we have ernestine on the line from illinois. To the i was calling premium cost, deductible cost, and the choices people make based on that. I have family members that are trying to pay for those premiums and having to sign up for insurance. Because being penalized they dont have the insurance, but what they do not take into penalized,n they are you may have a set of certain income levels, but then you have Living Expenses that are not accounted for in being able to afford this stuff and it makes no sense that they are allowing the Insurance Companies to boost the cost of these premiums so high and they offer so little in terms of health care. It makes no sense. That is something i wish our congress would deal with. Making Insurance Companies be more liable about pain are providing Better Service for these people and lowering these the that the polls because they are getting so much money from people who are paying these premiums. Host is going to jay in georgia. Caller i would like to ask mr. Ranked 37th in Health Insurance outcomes, so that the free market so the free market was a spectacular failure as far as providing Health Insurance to us. Mi gone . Am agon . Host you are still there. Caller you kind of smirk about the Health Care System. What makes america so much worse than the 37 countries beating our butts in health care . Guest this country has a much. Ore diverse population unlike france and germany, for example, they have to have a more uniform population. People large groups of who have much more Serious Health problems related to where they live and how they live. Is it is a problem rich country and we tend to think that we do not have to take care of our own health. Instead, we wait until something andens and doctors hospitals take care of us. Health insurance and the Health Sector is the last resort is that at the first. You have to look at the statistics. Here highly variable mortality rates, for example, we have everybody who was born, the instance they are born, they count as a real human being. In other countries, you have to be a live for a certain amount of time before you count. Measuredrtality is not the same way. Other indicators are also not measured the same way, but there is no question that it is a more diverse country with bigger challenges, and we are pouring more money into the system. Part of that is because we are a rich country and we are buying coverage and providing services. Host bernie in ohio. Welcome. Caller good morning. Reallylling because i am shy. When i heard mr. Antos and dr. Chen, when they said a singlepayer system is controlling what Health Care People can get, and that is not true. Said it is a less costly to administer health care through the private Insurance Companies and that is not true. In 1992 when the clintons tried to get a singlepayer Health Care System in this country, the cost for werensurance companies 200 billion a year, none of which went to health care. If you look up Canadian Health care myths, just google that phrase, and listen to how many myths we are given in this country by the canadian Health Care System which is singlepayer, it does not control where you go. All it does is pay, like medicare does, and if im not mistaken, medicares cost is a percent. I used to sell Life Insurance and Health Insurance. Host thank you. Lets hear from both of our we are just about out of time. Guest you have to account for the fact that medicare people spend much more money. They are older people and they have more costs, so if you measure it with administer the cost as a percentage of average benefit payout, it turns out it is somewhat higher than under 65. Adas consent, each province runs their own Health Care System mrimight not get in the anytime soon. I think the most important thing right now and for the next three months is we want to make sure that the system we are in is the most people can get coverage and the Health Insurance they need, they get Financial Assistance they are entitled to, and signing up starts today, november 1, and you have until december 15 to sign up if you want coverage by january 1, and the open enrollment january 31, so if you have Health Insurance right do haveou do not or you Health Insurance and the people around you do not, this is so important over the next three months to make sure as many people as possible are covered. Host joseph antos and dr. Alice , thank you to both of you for joining us this morning. Guest thank you so much. Host we will spend the last 20 minutes or so of this sunday edition of washington journal returning to a question earlier in the program. There was a headline out there that said the fbi chief was scrutinizing police of Filing Police in theof rise in Violent Crime. We want to return to that theme of policing in your community. Here are the numbers, if youre are part of Law Enforcement, call 202 7848000. If you have had experience with those in Law Enforcement, called 202 7848001. Everyone else, call 202 7488002 as your number. We look forward to talking to you. We want to let you know about newsmaker tonight. It is twice the time, beginning at 10 00 a. M. Eastern and 25 minutes and then tonight at 6 00. Kevin brady will talk about efforts by the gop candidates members need to transform the u. S. Tax laws. Here is a look. This is exciting that we have president s running for candidates running for president s with specific progrowth tax. This has not happened in a long time. Butave a wide breadth that is appropriate because we have a lot of ideas rather than just picking one among the others, but we do in the committee is way out the ideas that we have heard from members, the draft that has been developed, another proposal that has a lot of pro growth aspects to it, reviewed them in detail, encourage and invite a republican members to weigh in on this, and we will the foundation for tax reform. I cannot tell you how incredibly complex it is. Our members need to have that foundation so that they can help us reach the right solution. For me, here is the critical site i am looking at, i want the tax code built for growth, for family and business growth, one that grows our economy. I want to measure the principles we needs fair, simpler, to lower exemption, eliminate loopholes to lower rates for everybody. I want to make sure Small Businesses do not pay more than large businesses, which is what happens today. I want to make sure all of our companies are no longer competitive compete uncompetitive on the computer around the world for profits. In the end of the day, the principle is we will not bail out washingtons spending problems through the tax. This is about growing the economy and doing it in a way that encourages investment long string longterm. Out thece they laid draft proposal, the world has become even more competitive on the tax side, so we will have to go even bolder in our tax reform. There is a number of ways that we can get there. I think the right approach is to invite everyone into the discussion. Cspan has her coverage of your road to the white house 2016, where you will find candidates, speeches, debates, and your questions. We are taking our road to the white house coverage into classrooms across the country contest. Students cam giving students the opportunity to discuss important issues they want to hear from candidates. Follow cspans student cam contest and wrote to the white house 2016 coverage on cspan, the radio, and online at www. Cspan. Org. Washington journal continues. Back to the question we began this condition with. It has to do with your fewer police and the community and this headline we found out there. The fbiws a speech by director and he is linking the scrutiny of police with a rise in Violent Crime. If you look in the piece, it begins the fbi director said on friday that added scrutiny and criticism of Police Officers in the wake of highly publicized brutality maylice have led to a rise in crime in some cities as officers have become less aggressive. Heres what he had to say. I have been part of a lot of thoughtful conversations in the last months with Law Enforcement, academics, and Community Leaders about this. Ae heard a lot of areas lot of theories. Some say maybe it is the return of filing offenders who have finished jail terms. Some say maybe cheap harrison cheap heroin for synthetic drugs or maybe smaller gangs are fighting for turf after successfully busting bigger gangs. Some say maybe it is the system, or something is changing with the perspective of guns. These were all useful suggestions, but none of them explain the map in the calendar in places all of the country, all in the first 10 months of this year. I have also heard another explanation in conversations all over the country, and nobody says this on the record. Butdy says this in public, police collected officials are quite the same this and they said it to me and i will say to you. The one expert nation, that to my mind explains the calendar and the map and makes the most sense, they be something in policing has changed. World, our officers are reluctant to get out of the cars and did the work of the controls of file and crime. Our officers answering 911 calls but avoid contact that keeps bad guys from standing around, especially with guns. I spoke to officers privately in one big city precinct who surround you describe being surrounded by young people with mobile phones held tight and counting them. They said, they feel under siege to and they do not feel like getting out of their cars. I have been told about the Senior Police leader in this thatry who remembers Political Leadership has no tolerance for any of you being involved in the next final video, so the suggestion or question that has been asked to me is all these kinds of things changing Police Behavior all over the country and is that what explains the map and the calendar . The honest answer is i do not know and i do not know that that explains it entirely, but i do have a strong sense that some part of the explanation is a chilly wind that has blown of the Law Enforcement and the wind is changing behavior blown over Law Enforcement in the past year and the wind is changing behavior. Continue to have important discussions about police conduct, and the use of that the force and Law Enforcement will get better as a result. We cannot lose sight of the fact that there really are that people standing on the street with guns. Young men died on the streets of those cities seen that dramatic spike are not committing suicide or being shot by cops, they are being killed, Police Chiefs tell me, by other young men with guns. And wehere is the setup will take the next minute to bring in phone calls from you on your view of police in the community. We will do that for about 15 minutes to round out this edition of the washington journal on this sunday, november 1. There is this headline in political this morning about a meeting in the area this evening. It is an exclusive. Gop campaigns are plotting a revolt against the rnc. They are gathering this evening to plot out to alter their partys messy debate process. A political reporter is on the line now. Good morning. What is this meeting about tonight . You have a number of republican campaigns and the vast majority are meeting today area toashington, d. C. Talk about the debates. Not everyone has gone smoothly and they are upset about the rncs handling. Rnc is not invited to the meeting. Host what comes out of this . Guest there is really no set the agenda. Every campaign is different and donald trump is going to be represented at the meeting and he wants to make sure debates in the longer than two hours. He has been vocal about that. Lindsey graham helps organize the meeting and he once a system you have to debates that are made up of even the selected randomly selected groups of people. You have bobby jindal at the meeting and he wants to have different point criteria used for determining who is in debates and not, so everyone has a Different Things they want to achieve that they all have in common that they are not happy about how the rnc negotiated on their behalf. Host what does the rnc have to say about the topic so far . Rnc says they are doing their best, negotiating with campaigns on their best effort. They are trying to assist they have real [indiscernible] friday, right after this story ran, the rnc announced they were cutting ties with nbc in the future in terms of debates. They are really trying to prove who do notmpaigns, believe this quite yet, that they are in the progress. Host what is realistic as we wrap up . We have lots of money involved, more than a dozen candidates, is there a process unfolding and what do you think is realistic to come out of this . Guest that is the real question. A lot of this depends on how the next debate goes and it is held on november 10, right around the corner. How smooth is that process . That will be held on fox business. Visit go much more smoothly than the cnbc debate . One gets the sense that it that debate goes smoothly, the rnc will buy themselves time. There will be a lot of pressure for the rnc to get out of the process a bit more to stand down and that campaigns negotiate directly with key network scolding the debates. Host one more point about tonights meeting with leaders of the candidates, where what they meet . Are you expecting a statement or press afterwards . Guest they will be meeting in hotel in alexandria. A veteran republican election attorney is going to be helping to moderate the discussion and to make sure things go smoothly. Host alex, thank you for the update. We will be following your headlines after this meeting takes place. I appreciate it. Guest thank you for having me. Host lets hear about your view on police. You have been waiting in pennsylvania. Good morning. Caller yes, sir. I believe the police are very, very good. They have been here when i needed them, and they are very, very good. They work hard. Host bill from georgia. Bill, are you there . Caller yes, i just try to avoid the police at all costs. [laughter] host why . Problemi have a big with the fact that you have four jurisdictions in the area. They can stop before anything they want. They have readers now and they had those good guybad guy attitudes. The biggest drawback i find is that they talk about disobeying police commands. Once a Police Officer pulls you over, you are technically under arrest. Cannot say, i am in a hurry, i have to leave, so they can do whatever they want. This guy got killed in florida for having a concealed carry gun. Another kid got killed because he had a gun on a seat of their, so you have to watch yourself and do not call the police to your home because you will be the prime suspect once they get there. Host maria from georgia, what do you have to say . What is your view on police . Caller i have a comment. I see a distortion of amount of es a distortion it disproportionate amount of tapes of officers beating black men, women, and children. The answer is always more training. Unless the training is segregated, why would they need more training . Because you have white Police Officers and you have the other group of Police Officers who are black, mexican, and all other races. They are not killing white citizens. The same training, supposedly, in the same class. They are not killing white and littering the countryside with white men, women, and children, so why do they need more training . It is something else. We all know what it is. It is the way white americans view the lives of black americans, and that is why black lives matter. It is appropriate to look at that now and we need to look at this because unless you are blind, racist, then what is the answer . I need to know. Host on to david, mckinley bill, what state is that . Caller california. Host go ahead. Caller i just believe the police are in a nowin situation and i think the trend continues the way it is going with the police under, what i call, excessive scrutiny and being blamed for trying to do their jobs. What we are going to see is a breakdown of social order, kind of which we have barred had a glimpse of in places like ferguson, missouri, and baltimore. Not only because police are going to be more reluctant to get involved, but we are going to have a more and more difficult time finding recruits who want to become Police Officers. I look at that video that. Ccurred in virginia there is no way that that officer could ever moved that child that would have not looked bad, and the longer the officer took to remove the child, the worse it would have left. It is not easy to handcuff somebody when they have something under a desk to grip onto. Host thank you. Twitter, why do u. S. Police officers. Being recorded . Theyre not doing anything wrong and have nothing to hide, right . We started by mentioning the fbi director and he goes on to say with his remarks about where his views on justice are not shared at the top level. Civil Rights Violations have been a top priority at the department in recent years and some senior officials do not believe that scrutiny of Police Officers has led to an increase in crime. All the department had no immediate comment, several officials privately fumed at mr. Kobes suggestions. They also mr. Comeys suggestions. They disagree with the chief ist he says Police Scrutiny a result of a prize in crime and heres what the president has to say on the topic. President obama i will do everything that i can to encourage cooperation and work the workake sure that that is being done by Law Enforcement is appreciated and supported. And that we maintain this incredible progress that we have made in terms of reducing crime. In order for us to do that, we have to stick to the facts. We cannot cherry picked data or use anecdotal evidence to drive policy or to the political agendas. If we stick with the facts and we maintain coordination across state and local agencies, then we continue the progress that you and so many Law Enforcement officers have made over the past two decades. It saves lives and keeps families intact. Host Washington Post headline following that, the president says there is no evidence of a socalled ferguson affect. What do you think . Caller good morning. Thank you for cspan. Video of the officer tried to move the student from the officerm, to me, the and police in many circumstances like that should have issued a command to times or three times before he basically became involved. She should have been offered the opportunity to either leave or be tasered. Second, i agree with the previous caller that there is no way any video of this officer tried to remove this woman physically would look good. It is impossible to look good, in other words, there should be a standard that an officer gives and iforder three times it appears you understood it and do not comply, tasers should be or shouldalternative ask for backup. I think we should talk about tasers. Thank you. Host we have john from florida who has had an expensive Law Enforcement. Tell us what you think about and experience with Law Enforcement. Toss what you think. Caller the police down here in florida, i have been a biker all my life, and i do not think the police can get the average criminal. So they pick on the biker. We sort of stick out and we look like criminals going down the road. I will give you for instance, i was in Fort Lauderdale in a bar and my motorcycle is out front. Two Police Officers come up to me, i am the only bikerlooking guy, and they harass me. All i said was, yes, sir, no, sir. One looks at the other and says, profanity, and the other says, why not . Andarrest me for profanity dont be in jail and do not let me have my one call. In daytona, i was busted for nothing. I sitting on the wall, drinking a beer, i jump off the wall, finish the last year, dropped it in a trashcan next to me, walked to my bike, and a squad car comes up and throws me against the squad car and frisks me. I said, what are you busting me for . He says, drinking on the beach and littering. They harassed the bikers in daytona and i guess they lower the taxes for the locals. After you experience that for 20 years, you have a tendency to think that the cops are just bullies. Anyway, that is my experience. Host one last call also from florida, sherry, good morning. Caller good morning. I was calling. I have never experienced, but i have three sons and we are black people. I have been on the phone with my one son that leaves the house for work about 4 00 in the morning, and the cops really believe that they had themselves a target. They pulled him over and just because. They took outike a vengeance against him because he has no criminal record, no actuallycord, and it infuriated them. Bound andjust determined that they were going to make an arrest through my son. Host what does this mean to you as part of the larger issue we are discussing . Caller what does it mean to me . Well, it means that a lot of times just because people are in uniform, they think that they are doing their job by making an arrest, even if the person dont have or has done nothing to be arrested. One has even told my son, i cannot get you, but i will get your brother. As far as this other guy who called and he was talking about the child in the classroom and calling her a woman, that was a child. There are a lot of people, you cannot actually diffuse the situation with the one person that is causing the problem, take out the entire classroom of children or he did not have to grab her physically. She was sitting in a desk. He couldve dragged the desk, got her out in a different way. The desk has a back and front. Drag the entire desktop. It is ridiculous. Host thank you for your call. We are running out of time and we want to say thank you to everybody who has called. If you did not get in for this segment, call back tomorrow morning because i guess we had the mcdonalds of the Manhattan Institute and the topical be policing in the u. S. Postferguson. The segment will explore whether Law Enforcement has become more difficult for officers since ferguson and baltimore. We will also talk with techie Becky Pringle about the debate over standardized testing and our final guest will be tom scully, former administrator of the centers for medicare and medicaid centers. The topic is medicare sustainable . Another threehour program on various topics. We hope you enjoy the rest of your sunday and weekend. We will see you back here tomorrow morning. 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