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In another setback, to link the limit on consumer costs until 2015. We want to get your take on that. The phone lines remember to send us a tweet or post your comment on canbook. Com cspan, and you email us journal cspan. Org. Here lies again ashville here are the lines again ash we will get to your phone calls in just a minute. A little bit more from the story inside the New York Times, it continues what is your take on this . Says it is another setback for the Obama Administration possum limitation of the Affordable Care act. Last night the white house announced a one year delay and enforcement of the law. Republican caller, you are up first, nancy. Why would any person made this healthcare law and the confidence that ye have . The legislative reports that not even meet. There is an old saying somebody pays. This country is falling apart. Thank you, cspan. Host have you always opposed the healthcare law . Caller i havent. We are a blessed country. This tweet mark in florida, democratic caller, go ahead. Caller hello. Am amment is, s i democrat. Back in 2010 we should have passed complete socialized medicine. This hybrid plan is comp located. Resident obama had the votes in the house and senate in 2010 to do that. This is ridiculous. Pay 6,300 for prescription medicine next year. Get the average person cannot afford that. Host do you think the complexity of the law has led to all of these delays . Supporters say that this is what happens when you pass a major piece of legislation. They point to the Prescription Drug bill that republicans passed through in the Bush Administration as the same thing. Caller the complexity has led to all these problems. We should have complete socialized medicine in this country. We are the only industrial country in the world that does not have it. It is ridiculous. John says back to the story in the New York Times. A democratic caller in indiana, what do you think . I think it is awful. I am looking forward to this law going through because i am giving out 613 and . 35 per month. Month in health insurance. My husband has been bed ridden with ms for 10 years, four months. I cannot work because i have to take care of him. What about his drug expenses . How much is his medication . Hit the limit, you have to go up to 350. We are going bankrupt. This is like a mortgage crisis. It is a good thing we have our house is paid off. We are going bankrupt on this. It is crazy. I know who is making the money, the Insurance Companies and all those people in the congress. They all get free healthcare and we are here struggling. Host the piece in the New York Times says this do you think you can make it to 2015 . What will it be like over the next year and a half . Caller terrible. 1000 in termover life insurance, my life insurance, and my health insurance. This is bankrupting us. We cannot do anything. We cannot go out to eat. My caps off. He was a manager. I am a cleaning lady. Do you know how devastating that is . Our whole life has turned to crap. This, i could have three mercedes in my garage for the price i am paying for this insurance. Mitchell in new jersey, independent caller, go ahead. Caller good morning. I comment is if this delay is causing the status quo to be extended and people are getting upset by the tension of the status quo and the rollout, then that is more evidence that the plan is justified to begin with. The status quo is unacceptable. Theother thing is that republicans are constantly knocking this plan and saying that this is an nonworkable situation. The progressives would have preferred to have a singlepayer plan, which is quite simple in its concept, but they would not allow that to begin with. Tweets and susie in texas, republican caller, go ahead. I was calling to say paul ryan has implemented a plan where he is going to privatize Social Security and give the people 500 to buy their own health care. Maybe that would be better than this obama care. Timenk if you get 500 one and buy healthcare and privatize Social Security, what about that . Host you like that idea . Caller i dont know if it is better or worse. That is what the proposal consists that is what the republicans have proposed. Host a democratic caller in ohio, what are your thoughts . Caller i just wanted to make a 120 per month. One of the prescriptions i take is a shot. It is over 3000 per month. What about limits and how can i pocket when iutof am making 21,000 per year . That is my gross pay. It is kind of confusing. There needs to be a clearcut to all of this. Host we are talking about the the on the front page of New York Times. To remind you about what he reports here hgathered his a democratic caller. Good morning. Caller the reason there are delays on these laws and the mandates on these is because of the capacity of this law when they passed it. They did not know what was in it when they passed it. They passed it to see what was in it. [indiscernible] the working people is hard on them. I think there should be a better approach on health care reform. This is not the way to go. I hope that eric that the Congress Repeals this. Do you think it is worse to shut dumbly Affordable Care act . To shut down the Affordable Care act . Caller i do not agree with the republicans. I do agree that we can maybe change it and amended in a bipartisan way. I do not think it requires a government shutdown. That would be pointless. Jim tweets and in rhode island, in independent caller, hello. Call to explain that i also have multiple sclerosis. One of my medications is over 60,000 per year. It is 17,000 for a three months supply. I did not see how anybody can deal with this. I do not believe they should delay the individual mandate for the year and put everybody on the same plane. Host your cost for your drugs for ms caller 41 drug. For one drug. 17,000 for a threemonth supply. Outofw much is your pocket expense . Caller last year was a 50 co pay on my insurance plan. Our Insurance Company got switched to another prescription plan and now it is 200. I switched back to the home pharmacy because they hadnt wanted to do it because it is an adjustable medication and ingestible medication. My last copay was 93. Host you said that is the cost for one drug. How many drugs are you have to do you payw much outofpocket every year . Do you know . Caller i am very fortunate. I have a good insurance plan. Obamacare. Ted from we are not required to drop it. We still spend 3000 outof pocket. Host the front page this morning Andrew Taylor from the Associated Press reports an then on budget issues from the papers this morning. More on the Washington Times if youre interested on that deficit story. The wallo that, street journal has this headline about greece getting your reaction from the front page this morning, the piece about the administration deciding to delay limits on consumer costs under the Affordable Care act. A democratic caller, hello, rose. Caller hello. Does wall street journal know anything about germany . Host what about germany . Caller what about their health care . Host what is your point . Greece,we hear about but about germany . Why cant we come pair ourselves to them yet though there healthcare, drugs, hospitals. Host what do you know about their healthcare . Caller i lived in germany. Have you been to germany . Host share with us. Lets stop talking about greece. The United States does not have to be compared to greece. Host the headline in the wall street journal comparing greece is there economy and austerity measures. Not there healthcare. A republican caller, hello, todd. Caller good morning. Ofanted to offer a couple innovative purchase here. Instead of looking just at a payer system for exchanges, if we take a broader look at how we have pharmaceutical companies we knowturers that part of our program that part of our problem is related to the need of preventative care. I wouldnt call it a tax, but to look at industries and have industries that contribute to a lot of our health care, to pay up and put something into the system as their contribution to a National Healthcare plan. If you want to be a biopharmaceutical company, great. Pay into the pot. I guess my thought for our listeners is what about a system where you have other contributors into the system based on what they do in our economy and the impact that they themselves have on health care. Charles in st. Petersburg, florida, a democratic caller. Caller yes. I am trying to get this straight now, congress and the Government Employees have just been exempted. Insurance companies are not going to pay, the corporate Business People have been exempted, and a minimum wage worker pays. That is a great system. Said the caller who country is coming apart was absolutely correct. You discounted her. But she was correct. I have something to say, the government is the corruption. It is not the people. This country is worth fighting for. Do not give up. In, minnesota, a democratic caller. At it the way i looked is this bill went through a horrible congress and got ripped apart and got torn upside down inside out so it came out looking pretty great. The main concept is everybody has to have health care. You cannot keep sending people to the emergency room, it is pretty expensive. I think at some point it will even out. When apple sits in front of a Senate Subcommittee and admits that they are holding 400 billion in banks and england that is not being taxed, this is the norm for most corporations. Basically we have business that does tax evasion and a lot of money on the table that should be taken up. It is ridiculous. I am a war veteran. I do not make anything. As far as doctors and hospitals and the manufacturers of medical supplies and medical equipment, that stuff is so inflated and whoever contracted facthat is dumb. Host that was michael enrichment, minnesota. We are going to keep taking your thoughts on the Obama Administration delaying for one year a limits on consumer costs under the Affordable Care act. Yesterday we told you about attorney general eric holders beach before the American Bar Association in San Francisco, where he was set to announce yesterday and did announce that they would reduce sentencing or aim to reduce sentencing for low level, nonviolent drug offenders. We want to show you a little bit of that speech. [video clip] a today i have mandated modification of the Justice Departments policy so that low level nonviolent offenders who have no ties to cartels or gangs will no longer be charged with in fences with offenses that impose mandatory minimum sentences. [applause] they now will be charged for sentences in which the encompassing sentence is suited to their individual conduct. Severeving the most penalties for the most serious or traffickers, we can better promote Public Safety, deterrence, and rehabilitation of making our expenditure smarter and more productive. We have seen that this approach is bipartisan supporting. In number of senators, including dick durbin, Patrick Leahy, and rand paul have introduced very promising legislation aimed at giving federal judges more discretion in applying mandatory minimums to certain drug offenders. Such legislation will save us billions of dollars for keeping us more safe. The president and i look forward to working with members of both parties to find and to advance these proposals. Times,chicago sun courtesy of the museum, has this on the speech and then the Pittsburgh Post Gazette says this about his announcement yesterday and then hear from the Washington Times this morning the critic is Grover Norquist, who will be here on the washington journal later on in the program. We will talk to him about this and other issues. Wall street journal front page aboutorning has the story the new york judge ruling that the city stop and frisk law is unconstitutional. It says North Carolina governor signs of strict voter id laws, this is from the Washington Post. Aaron blank reports about this, saying shall recount and was also at the American Bar Association last night, receiving an award. A headline in the Washington Post says here is a little bit of that speech. [video clip] and he went who says Racial Discrimination is no longer a problem in american elections must not be paying attention. Despite the best efforts of many wellintentioned elected officials, discrepancies and resources across precincts sampling stations still disproportionally impact africanamericans, latinos, and young voters. That is why the Voting Rights act, especially the requirement that jurisdictions with a history of discrimination pre clear changes in their procedure, has played an Important Role for nearly half a century. In the past 15 years, under both democratic and republican president s, the department of justice has used the law to block nearly 90 discriminatory changes to state and local election rules. Many more were withdrawn under scrutiny. Congress reauthorized the Voting Rights act, more than 30 supposed changes have been stopped. The Supreme Court recently struck at the heart of the Voting Rights act and have stripped out the preclearance formula that made it so effective. Take the Historic Success of the Voting Rights act as a sign that discrimination is a thing of the past and we dont longer need it protection. As Justice Ginsburg said, that is like throwing away your umbrella in a rainstorm because you are not getting wet. You will soon be soaked. Host Hillary Clinton yesterday in San Francisco at the American Bar Association, talking about the Voting Rights act. The boston globe this morning has this that is the front page of the boston globe this morning. Also new jersey voters will go to the poll today to choose nominees to replace democratic senator, Frank Lautenberg. Democratic new york mayor, cory er, is against lonegan faces aletta eck. The lateo replace senator Frank Lautenberg. We will be watching that, as well. On edward snowden, here is the , saying he will not do a tv interview. It says back to our questions for all of you, michael in boston massachusetts. What do you think about delaying the consumer limit a limits on consumer costs for one year . Host i am angry about it. Law was copied from the Massachusetts Law. The Massachusetts Law also had, anytimeementation you have this among this piece of legislation there is going to be glitches. With the Obama Administration is trying to do, they are trying to not give ammunition or not have those glitches happen. I think by doing that they are hurting people. The laws 2600 pages. Social security had problems. This is not going to be the thing to destroy our economy. You think about delaying consumer costs in massachusetts . Similarnclude something cap but you know its impact . Here in massachusetts the did have a glitch with that. They started reworking parts of the bill. Its a two to three years for the Massachusetts Law to work right. No law is going to work 100 . They are going to have to find a glitches in this. Delays as welle during that two years . There were a couple of things. Our legislators kept hammering and romney kept working on it. Something that rob tic adminisr capitol hill. They kept working at it. T probably took maybe a year did the two sides come together during those two years . Caller they did. They had to. They had no choice. Ity put so much stuff in that it was really confusing. The other thing with obamacare is that not enough people says this is a huge bill. Not enough people know exactly what it is going to do. Doug tweets this patrick from south carolina, a democratic caller. What are your thoughts . Caller personally i think the Obama Administration sees the writing on the wall concerning dft station from patriots like rand paul and ted cruz. Concerning obtuse geisha and fromncernignng obfuscation patriots like rand paul and ted cruz. Majorityacare the of people dont like it. We want choice in our doctors and how much we pay for our health care. T the take out wha government kills. Junkbesity problem, the food people buy with food stamps. Our last hour yesterday we took a look at the vix program, the Nutritional Program for poor women and children, different from food stamps and snap. You may be interested in that. The wall street journal close quote is reporting on Flood Insurance. You can see here in this picture below that, the caption says this Insurance Agent could see his Flood Insurance increase from 633 to 28,000 per year. In 2012 before Superstorm Sandy hit the eastern seaboard acquires that government insured premiums for the Property Owners in flood prone the agents flood prone regions happening in d. C. This week, the association of unmanned vehicles is holding their annual meeting. We will have guests from the center, talking about the issue of aerial aircraft and unmanned vehicles being used in land and sea. We are covering a couple of different programs from the convention at 9 a. M. On cspan2. The association for unmanned Vehicle Systems will hold a conference on what is being used, the latest technology. At 1 p. M. They will be talking of using theses Unmanned Systems and the privacy indications they have. Look for coverage on cspan at 1 p. M. Live and then go to our website, cspan. Org for more information. Tom is from texas, hello. My comment is that it would be helpful to us viewers if you would asks your if you would ask your guests to indicate their income level and how much they are paying for health insurance. I noticed that a lot of times there is a mixup in between what Health Care Costs and what healthcare insurance costs. It would be helpful to clarify. Host rachel in texas, a democratic caller. Caller i would just like to make a comment on the British National health service. Paid through everybodys paycheck. Everybody who works has to pay. The influxly with from the european union, they have gone into some trouble. Everybody should be paying, no exemptions. Host a couple of stories on oil and gas the front page of the Financial Times this morning this on the Supreme Court from usa today as you know cspan has requested to have cameras in the courts for decades treated our lawyer here is quoted in the paper, saying that debate wages on. Hollywood, california, independent caller, what do you think about the did about the administration delaying the . Imits on consumer costs west hollywood, are you there, john . Good morning. One last call for john. I will have to leave it there. We are going to take a short break. When we come back we are going to be talking to Grover Norquist, the president for tax orform four americans f tax reform. Later we will be joined by ari melber. We will talk about what eric holder had to say. We will be right back. 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We bring Public Affairs events from washington directed to you, putting you in the rheumatic rational hearings, white house events, briefings, and conferences, and offering complete gaveltogavel coverage of the u. S. House, all as a Public Service of private industry. Cspan, created by the cable industry 34 years ago and funded by your local cable or satellite provider. And now you can watch us in hd. Washington journal continues. Host we want to welcome back Grover Norquist, president for the americans for tax reform. The front page of the New York Times, the administration decide to delayed the limits on outofpocket expense for one year. What is your reaction . Clearly this370002 guest clearly this bill was put together very sloppily. Democrat from montana says the whole thing is a train wreck. The president has admitted that they businesses cannot deal with mandates. He is giving them a years grace. Thes not clear that president has that authority in the law. He is not going to enforce the law that is there. We have another cap, this is supposed to be one of the benefit prices that are going to stay down. That is going to be delayed for one year. What is to stop it from being delayed for one year for the next 50 years . One of the things i have been working with in the americans for tax is supporting the idea legislative form has been to in with 50 cosponsors delay all of obama care for one year. It is not ready for prime time. Small businesses do not get the delay. They businesses do. Individuals do not. There is another piece to it that is not working. And takelay it a year a look at what needs to be reformed. Democrats and obama saying that was a no go. What is the strategy here . Think the president said during his press conference the other day that these are not normal times. Congress doesnt ever do with the president wants, going back 200 years. Said, one congress and the house of representatives passed a law to make the delay he wanted legal, he either wants to enforce or not enforce the law. It is a very odd assertion. Situations, like the continuing resolution. The president keeps driving the debt up high. He took two and a half trillion in 2011. Onal that Additional Debt in 2011. Congress can say that if you want the debt ceiling increase, we can do that. We just made you stop some of the crazier levels of spending. That is 2. 5 trillion spending restraint over a decade. As a result, we are seeing some reduction in the runaway growth. We need to do something similar with obamacare. , the the limitation massive new spending, all of the regulations, delay them for a year. That is take a look at where we are and then move forward. That is different than what senator ted cruz and republicans are saying, which is , under these negotiations, we want the president to the fund the health care law. Frontingn favor of the of defunding the healthcare law. I do not think the president can fix it. I do not think he ever intended to pass a completely flawed bill. Majority of the marriage and people think we should get rid of this and replace it with something that is consumer friendly. Not wage and price controls like Richard Nixon and world war ii. That does not work. For 2000 years wage and price controls have ended poorly wherever they have been tried. What we need to do is get rid of obamacare, get in a plan that response to consumers, and that will work. That said, the president of the successtates says one is passing obamacare. He is unlikely to agree to give the whole thing up. What i think he might be willing to do, because he is already announcing that he is going to delay big businesses for participation in the mandate not small businesses, that big businesses will get a year grace. Now costs are going to run wild for another year. All this other stuff is going to happen. I am in a very strong position for the American People. You have agreed that youre not ready for prime time, you have agreed that this is a train wreck, democrats see this as a problem. But this offer a year. For a year. Off this is not humiliating for him to say we will take a look at it. Giving the whole thing up, he would rather give up his kidney. T worth host is it worth shutting down the government for that . Whot it is the president has talked about shutting down the government. On the question of delaying Obamacare Free year, if we give you the debt ceiling for the continuing resolution, and with that you can delay obamacare, not just the parts for your he isut all of it given labor unions grants. Everybody else has to do it but you do not have to do it. His political donors and friends are getting interceptions. That has to end. We really have to have one law for everybody in the country. Piece in thea New York Times this morning host deciding not to hold town Hall Meetings during this august recess, and when they do congressional offices go through Great Lengths to not disclose where and when they will take place, calling their supporters letting their supporters know at the last minute at the room fills up with from a faces. What do you think that . This is gone on for years. I arrived in orlando in 2010. Calledhall meeting was in a union office. 95 of it with their political supporters and then opened the doors to the next five percent, who could come in for town hall meeting. Several thousand people showed up and surrounded the whole building. I was done there for another project that they. The nightly news had helicopters and what looked like a castle being stormed. It was amazing. I think it is a good idea for halle to have as many town meetings and open meetings as you can. There is a lot of stuff you can do on teleconferencing. Host which is the way many members are going, to hold these town Hall Meetings over the phone. The article points out that other Tea Party Organizations are upset with their republicans and democrats that are not holding town Hall Meetings. They want to express frustration over the healthcare law to the members of the congress and urge them to go along with some of gop, whichy in the is to not continue resolution unless obama care is the funded. Senator jim demint, their Group Holding come eating them face of what is happening. What do you make of the heritage action, the strategy they have taken under senator jim demint . Do you think he is playing an appropriate role in this gecko some colleagues complained in this . Some colleagues complained about the work they are doing. Host it is dramatically different than what it was a year ago. 10 years ago from now host what do you think . Guest i think there is a challenge. Think tanks and activist group put forward tax reform. We put forward the suggestions f calm for we have the majority members of the house of representatives who made a commitment to their voters. Harry reid certainly hasnt. Aken it it is a commitment to the people of their states. It has been a very strong firewall against higher taxes and limits to how much overspending can happen in washington. Rail. A good guard i am not in favor of outside groups explainign to the house and senate what tactics they use. I am more interested in the principles and overall strategy. They are completely committed to dealing obama care, replacing it with something that works. The president mocks how many votes they have had to amend it. Thats signed a six bills amends his legislation. He shouldnt make fun of the fact that people are trying to except for him now that they realize it needs fixing. Six signed bills republicans put forward to say, we have a problem, lets fix it. Host let us get the phone calls. A republican caller in new jersey, youre on the air with Grover Norquist. Guest have you voted yet . Caller i have been working. Facts, theto the train wreck the democrats are worried about is not that obama care was going to cause the American People. Theyre worried that obama care is going to cost the 2014 election to democrat. They are worried about getting reelected. Youve touched good facts about fundraising. 80 of democrat fundraising is from big businesses, contrary to popular belief that immigrants like to say they are not in league with big business. If this goes through big business will collapse all of their fundraising. Host Grover Norquist . Quite correct that a lot of focuses on the 2014 elections. That is why i think we have an opportunity to get a oneyear delay in the taxes and regulations and mandates for obamacare. All of the parts of obamacare if we delay it for a year, it is good because the bill as structured is damaging to the country. This is not good to mess i think we can delay it for a year am a partly because so Many Democrats recognize they do not want to be running in 2000 14, particularly in the senate. Every single democrat in the senate voted for this greahis. Obama has been trying to crush the oil industry. She has done nothing to protect it. The state has been badly damaged by president obamas policies against oil and energy production. Mary landrieu he stands there and does nothing. She has to run for reelection. She been attacking louisianas major industry, but she was also the person who gave them this mess of obamacare. There are a whole series of challenges. I think that is why it is possible to get a years delay and obamacare. I think only focus on the career, at the American People say we can do better. It does leave the door open. Could step back from the mistake they made when they voted for a bill that they had not ever read. Why do they keep saying the americans did not want the Affordable Care act when he was elected on that . Guest obama the romney. There are a whole series of issues on the table there. If it had been a referendum on obamacare, it will be one thing. He did not make it one. He has had something similar to this in massachusetts. It also has many challenges and problems. Despite his other assets and virtues, it made him a law candidate for the presidency at when the tweeter suggest it would have been a powerful issue. It was 2010. It could be in 2012 of a republican would have stood up and said i told you it was a bad idea. Romney could not do that. The last largeas piece of legislation that after beingediting passed . 3000 there should not be page pieces of legislation. One of the things the republicans said is that they would put bills online for several days before they get voted on. They have largely been able to do that since. Boehner became speaker. Now that we have the web and internet, it is easy to put it online. Speaker gingrich was the first to put all legislation online. It used to be that law firms would get paid a lot of money to go down and xerox these bills and then they and their clients would have access to someone in kansas would have no ir hands oning there ha it. I am very pleased that the republic in who put forth the ryan budget plan have written it down, voted for it repeatedly. It is in writing. You can go online and see what the reforms due to save the welfare and entitlement so that they say they so they stay there and do not go to. Having an open system or you say here is what you are doing in here is what he will pass is better than when obama ran. He said im going to do really will notf and yo it cost anything. That is not true. If he had to write it down, he might not have gotten elected. First of all, the deficit is going down. Yous just amazing to hear and so many other republicans, including john boehner, who says spending is out of control. The deficit is going down thanks to president obama. Nobody is acknowledging that. That theo untrue republicans did not say but shut down the government. The president was only stating what they said. They said it. They mean it. They are proud of it. One more thing. Taxes and america, how about talking to your friends on the republican side about getting that american jobs at past . To help the president look good is bad for america. That is insane. We will leave it there. Guest the republicans in the house have passed more than one dozen bills to help create jobs that have not seen the light of day in the senate. It is unfortunate. It has cost us. Has technically been in recovery since six months into the obama presidency. We have been in recovery since july 2009. It is the weakest recovery in the history of this country at least since the end of world war ii. We have been grown get on an average of 2. 2 a year. That is french levels. If we did it at reagan levels and incentive spending more and taxing more and regulating more, he reigned in regulation. Ratherally cut tax rates than raise them. We have millions more americans at work. There are millions more out of work because the resident took a high tax, Big Government europeanstyle Economic Policy rather than the traditional lower tax, less spending, less regulation. That is why we are in that situation. We talked about the president jobs bill. That is what he calls it. It is another solyndra. It is like the previous stimulus which saw the lousy economic numbers that we have still to this day. We have a very weak economy. Why are you complaining about spending . Is getting better. It is about 600 billion. It used to be a trillion. Better than what . Better what it group out democrats have the house . Republican said no to the massive spending increases. We are having a discussion this. They want to introduce marginal tax rates. It is 35 . The european average is 25 . Stupider than europe is not where you want to be on your tax policy. That is the average. 17 canadians are around point five percent. We are around 35 . Do youide of the border put it . To have full expensing for all business investment. We in north korea have worldwide tax systems for the american individuals who work overseas, we tax them as if they live in boston rather than in sweden or paris where they get taxed there and then they get taxed by us. We need a fair trial tax system. A rate no higher than 25 . That is tax reform. The the president just wants higher taxes. Can you hear me . Ok. Look backng you would to the first segment of thes show. We had all these horror stories. There are a lot of taxes in the health care bill. Caller i have a list. Healthcare is a moral issue. Ok . E are a Christian Country take care of the weak and the poor. Guest actually, we are in the favor of religious liberty. Caller morality is the word we are talking about here. Host go ahead. It is do you think ceos making person, 200 million a year . Peoplefirst of all, should only make what the guys in the company what they are worth. Some ceos are paid too much absolutely. Some tend to go encrypt if theyre paying people more than they are worth. A lot ofhere has been overpayments. I want the government decided how much you or anybody else can earn as a living. I think some of the salaries people play when they get baseball and football are pretty high. As long as people pay them voluntarily, i do not want the government involved in that. Go bankrupt if it spends too much money. That is their problem. I do not want the government telling them the picture is not worth what they are pitcher is not worth what theyre willing to pay them. Caller good morning. We have the best Healthcare System in the world. I am amazed at all the steps given by the liberals on our working in the our raking in world health care. Leaders do not go to australia, cuba, england. One reason that the cost is expensive because of managed care. You created an industry in between that charges and raises prices and paste all of their benefits. The other thing is state mandates. To missouri, they want freckles removed. You go to illinois, they want hair transplants. You keep adding that all up. , and i am aans republican all my life, they do not have an alternative. I do. Prize3 hundred had a coming. It extends Tax Deductions for employers. His doctors this. Reforms medical liability laws. What does this mean today to the average citizen. Guest one of the reasons canadians come here for surgeries is because it is what obamacare does, deny certain operations. Youre too old, you do not need any replacement. To have those kind of decisions. The caller earlier was talking about the morality of healthcare. Telling people they cannot have access to healthcare is a little bit of challenge. It is the only Cost Reduction that exist in obamacare. I would rather the market get prices down like when you buy and sell computers. More people producing, more people opportunity. That is the way to keep cost down. Host theyre pushing for an attainable plan. Those working with the administration useeking ways to replace the sequestration cuts. Some of these guys are worried about the impact it is having on defense. If youone of the things go to the budget, sequestration is actually limiting the growth of government. It is working as it was supposed to work. The caller said he deficit is going down. It is because of sequestration is the president now wants to undo. When the president needed to increase the debt total by 2. 5 trillion to get him from 2011 ,ntil after the 2012 election and we are now there, he wanted to buy himself time. The republican said if you want a debt ceiling increase of a trillion you have to reduce spending by a trillion in the same piece of legislation. We have 2. 5 trillion spending cuts. The president did this because he thought the republicans would never allow the restraint on pentagon spending. Toublicans are committed costg a reasonably priced effective defense as well as every other part of the government. President just had some cartoon image of what republicans are for. They always want more for the military. Strong military, keep the canadians on that side of the border. Youre not going to waste any money. That is nonsense. Host senator graham, mccain, is it a mistake for them to be negotiating with the president because of their concerns over defense spending . Always talk to people. Talk to the president. Wants taxent says he increases so he can spend more money. He has no interest on spending more money on national defense. He wants to spend less money. He wants to raise taxes to avoid spending restraint. He wants to rate sequester to spend more money and raise taxes to spend more money. I think it is rave and commendable the handful of brave and commendable the that aref senators republican. Raise taxes so we can spend more money, how about that . Mccain is a going to agree to that. Lindsey graham is not going to agree with that. 2010,t through this in 2011, 2012. The president keeps coming back. Why dont instead of reducing spending growth, why dont we raise taxes . Theays no and they ask question a different way. The what are the odds government shut down this fall. Guest i do not think it will. Last time the president came to the table and agree with spending restraint. The law of the land is sequester. The president is trying to change the law. E cannot look away the sequester is the law. He cannot spend more than the sequester. Do you want a continuing resolution . I think we need to delay obamacare for a year. The president is focused on breaking the sequester so he can spend more. Is a little bit like a teenage boy on a prom date. He keeps asking the same question in different ways. Every time you think he has dropped his focus, he just asked the same question a different way. Can we have tax increases and sid the sequester . You cannot. Host we will go to steve next. Independent caller. Caller good morning. Host good morning. Market does not work in healthcare. The Insurance Companies make money by denying care. I am opposed to that. I injured my knee at work. A year or so later i injured my knee again. I needed an mri and Blue Cross Blue Shield would not cover me because of a preexisting condition. That was not cheap. Republicans are afraid this law is going to work. Guest well. Theu know, caller, chair hasance referred to this as a crackup, a train wreck. So, the idea that republicans are afraid of wage and price controls for the first times in World History are going to work and provide better quality, i do not think anybody stays up at night. You were not deny care. You got the care. If you were in britain, it would not be legal for you to go get that mri that you said the Insurance Company said they would not pay for. A guy from nevada, he announced he wants a single office,an of government a post office that runs all the offices in the country like they have in canada or britain. One big monopoly that makes all the decisions. When they tell you know, it is no. It is not know you can go buy it somewhere else, it is no. That is how they reduce the cost of health care, by telling people in certain ages, i am sorry about that need because you will have to live with it. It is those kinds of decisions but the only way they can keep it down is to have wage and price control. They do not have free market solutions. The reasons why Computers Cost less every year and other products cost less is because we have the free market. Host democratic caller. I have one comment and two questions. I am hoping i can get through them. Am one of those people you are not an evil guy. Are pushingat you for policies you really believe in. Winky. Thank you. Has to do with the Affordable Health care act. It is up to the viewers that when you say that most will are against the aca, you look at frequently. Right now it is around 30 of the people say it is ok. Around 30 three Percent People have thought it has not gone far enough. The majority of the people do not like it. I think it is very dishonest of people, and this is what you did, to find that most people do not like it. A very large number people do not like it because it did not. O far enough there i guest you are right. When you look at polling data you always have to say what is the second question or thought . They would rather have it repealed and not have it or continue with it. Right now we are not into a time when we are about to repeal it today or tomorrow. We do need to delay the implementation for a year. It is not ready for prime time. It is clearly not working as written. The president admits this. He is getting special favors to his friends by saying the law will not apply to you, ok . We do not do that in the United States. Say it willarchies not apply to the air stock received. This applies to everyone. They should have to live under the law. That is not a distinction we make in the United States. That is why i think that the obamacare mandates and taxes should go away forever. At a minimum, lets put it off for a year, find out what the president thinks hes doing, how it is supposed to work, the president admitted for his friend the plan does not work. Host good morning. I think the collar before is right. His heart is in the right place. Ere a fight with pick a ben bernanke. He was deflating american dollars. I have one more question. It was early before they could get this covered. And to the question for me please. Because of the law obama care has taxes and regulations on certain sized companies and people that work a certain number of hours. Companies have been hiring fewer people. When he asked them why they are hiring and why you are not, the cost of obama care is one reason why unemployment is as high as it is. Then there are also hiring people parttime. The number of parttime hires versus fulltime is unusual and appears to be german by the mistakes in the obamacare law it appears to be given by the mistakes in the obamacare law. Hat does affect employment as to the money supply, we ought to have the dollar. The government ought to keep it the same and stop monkeying with printing large amounts of it. Host max baucus, the chairman of the finance committee in the , dave camp are traveling around the country trying to bring to the forefront the idea of overhauling the tax code. Prospectsu think the are . It will happen. The question is when. He keeps saying that he only wants to live a trillion dollars and higher taxes. As long as harry reid rent a cynic, he wants 975 billion and higher taxes. It is almost a trillion dollars in higher taxes. He will not allow to come to the floor a revenue nee natural. Until he reread retires, there will not be tax reform. All they want is a tax until he reread retires, there will not be tax reform. All they want is a tax increase. Republicans are under a spell. Guest Immigration Reform is important to the country. Say the immigration bill, we say is so often it is like a platitude. It is true. The reason why we are 300 Million People and a world power and a free country is because we are a country of immigrants. We are not all the same color, religion, come from the same countries. We have one thing uniting us, it the constitution. There are other countries. In germany, if you are not german you do not ever get in. Even other countries it can take a long time to ever feel parts of the country. You have the wrong last name are too many vowels at the end of your name or too many consonants. That is what makes the country great and strong and make this a whirl power. It is also the reason why we are growing population where European Countries are starting to shrink. Japan is looking forward to serious declines in total numbers. China is going to be declining soon in the number of will of working age. Eventually in total numbers because they are not having children. Second, they have no ability because of their culture to do immigration. We do immigration well. We whine about it but we do a better than everybody. Host have you made that argument to steve king . Guest i have talked to a lot. F republicans steve king disappointed a lot of people with the comments that were unpleasant and talking about certain ethnic groups. That is unfortunate. Ist gives the position he trying to put forward great disservice when he does that. That should never be done by anybody. Host disservice to the Republican Party . Guest no. They are clear that they are often the corner. The modern Republican Party is not there. When that gets said a gets let down very hard. The Republican Party can and should represent all americans of all backgrounds. You want to be free to take care of your family and go to whatever church or synagogue or mosque you want to. It is a free country. That is the point of the constitution. We do not have a list of things youre supposed to not do. We have a list of things the government is not supposed to do. You can do anything you want in the government cannot do everything at once. A very short list of things that they are supposed to do competently. Were working on them to only do the things on the list. Host eric holder yesterday announces that he would like to loweduced sentencing for level nonviolent drug criminals. Here is the headline. Theare you critical of administration for making this move . Attorneylder has been general for five years now. The challenge of mandatory minimums is one that republicans and democrats in congress have been working on. I work with a group called right on crime. I would recommend everyone google the work. It is conservatives who are focused on reforming prisons and the judicial system. Do we need 4000 federal crimes . Really . Nobody knows the 4000 laws are what they mean. A lot of them are paperwork. You can go to jail. We also need to ask ourselves do you want a guy who brought 75,bank at 20 in prison at does this make us safer . Democrats like older do not have any credibility when it comes to a lifetime of saying crime is be punished, criminals must be punished and our goal is to reduce total crime him not to ignore it. But to punish it and make sure it doesnt happen again. How do we do this in a way that is Cost Effective . Do you really want to spend 50,000 a year in california to pick people in prison . Who should be in prison and who should be under house arrest . Who should be under heavily supervised parole. There iare ways to drop the costs. Holder said this is the law and we are going to avoid it. No. Paul and Patrick Leahy had legislation to change and give more flexibility. If you do not like the law, you amend it. You bring a a bill of and change it. You do not have a discount somewhere saying we will ignore the law. That is not the way you do sell. The president sets a bad example for the rest of the cabinet officers when he decides not to obey the law on health care. It thishould not do way. He should be supportive. Host thank you very much for your time this morning. I appreciate it. Guest good to be with you. Host coming up next we will speak to a in these msnbc host. Holder talk about what had to say as well as the new york ruling. The stateook at standards for education with education week. 8 32 a. M. Two Senate Primaries in new jersey are not expected to draw many voters. To decide herent will run for the seat from Frank Lautenberg who died in june. Then head toll washington for the remaining 15 months of senator lautenbergs term. Pat mcquarrie has signed an extension to the state of voting id law. It requires voters to present government issued roto ideas photo ids at the polls and the voting from 17 to 10 days. They have filed a lawsuit. The Justice Department also is suggesting it will fight the new law which comes just weeks after the Supreme Court struck down a key portion of the Voting Rights act. Turning to the middle east, the Israeli Military shot shot down a rocket launch toward a red the resort town near the border. It is the first time the iron dome missiledefense system successfully intercepted a rocket attack on the resort during this comes days after high 10 tensions along the egypt israel order. Tonight on cspans encore presentation of risk ladies help to him. A when he was writing speeches she would critique and for him. Daily she would read newspapers and underline passages. She was a regular fixture in the galley. Congress would in act and immoral to the the outgoing speaker of the house thanking him. When james polk Left Congress to run for tennessee, they were so widely divided they refuse to do that. In the newspapers, a number of politicians rappel worms in poems insarah wrote honor of sarah. The encore presentation of ladies continues. Ari is the cohost of in msnbcs the cycle. Lets begin with the Washington Times. Eric holder had to offenders. Low level the headline is quoting our last guest. It is been five years for the administration and they have not acted. He told the Washington Times instead of changing the law he is saying we will charge defendants with lesser crimes to doingmandatory minimums i it through executive order. He creates in order that a New Residence could deal away with. Guest that is certainly true. Areas where they have executive discretion, how they prioritize certain laws can change from within different administrations. I do not think that means that they do not set policies. I heard mr. Norquist today. He sounded a little off on some of the details. I will give him the benefit that he is not fully caught up. He mentioned it would have been nice if general holder had worked with or mentioned to some of the members of congress who are working on this issue. In yesterdays speech, he singled out by name several members of congress including rand paul who has the safety valve after that would take a similar approach to try not to always default to these mandatory minimums. Is not coming out of nowhere are necessarily coming late. If you talk to people in doj, they emphasized that this is ongoing process. They inherited a policy by john John Ashcroft to go to the max and include any materials that could trigger that minimum. The memo twoback years ago. Yesterdays policy goes even further. It says there will be an affirmative policy in these cases that eric holder identified, nonviolent drug offenders who do not have a tie to larger criminal organizations. In that category they are now they go on the sentence he and the same disparity. This is through the congress. It fits with a broader pastiche but everyone may not know the details. Host why do think it is necessary to reduce the minimum mandatory sentencing . Guest if you look at the policies widely known as the war on drugs, it you see a shift in the way we approach criminal law from this countrys history, to reserve the sentences that take people away from their families and their lives and their , thers for a or 10 years type of things i was turning people into repeat offenders and recidivism but do so because they have done something heinous. We care more about removing them from society than future rehabilitation. That was always for the most serious crime. Violence. Murder. In the state criminal code, that was the case for a area long time. It is a very recent thing where we have seen states and the federal government take what are essentially personal crimes of drug use or low level of distribution, not talking about kingpins and people who are doing the main manufacturing and distribution but people who are using drugs or may sharing some drugs. We do not think that is great relativelyut it is new and unusual throughout the world to treat that behavior on per in sentencing with say rat or manslaughter. That is what has happened. That has grown. The prison population is not hasle or quadruple but grown by 700 and created an epidemic that has tremendous disruption in our communities and cities, disruptions that are disproportionately impacting the minorities more than other people on a host of issues. That is what you talk about. That is the larger shift. If you take the long view, it is one we are seeing draw more opposition not only from the Justice Department but from many libertarians and traditional conservatives who are saying enough is enough. Host what about the political ship . What do you make of democrats not fearing that they might look weak on crime . That is a huge shift that opens up the conversation in a fundamentally different way. Viewers will remember the many collections that turned on issues, particularly in the when era, particularly you had concerns about the social order about discipline and order in our society combined with a lot of rage racial strife and tension. Desegregation cases in the north. T became a National Issue it is one that really polarize people along ethnic lines. To of those issues combine create an environment where both hearties were constantly trying to outdo each other parties were constantly trying to outdo each other on who was tougher on crime. Ofot of americans outside the highly excited environment have a natural understanding of a distinction between being tough on killers and murderers which people still real very what areout versus more personal crimes of personal behavior. If you are a libertarian or conservative, we heard norquist talking about a constitutional system that restricts more of what the government should do as opposed to telling it what to do or how to be involved. That is right. There is no doubt the bill of rights is to reserve right to the people. Certainly to restrict the government. That includes the right to counsel, write to defense. Certainly in the area of nonviolent offenses the notion that the government should be not only exercising that power but exercising it without the check of independent judges. Some minutes of the war on drugs put this in mandatory minimums. It has taken a real cost. Host a want to get your reaction to the news coming out of new york. The judge in the frisking policy by police there. He said that it is unconstitutional. What is your reaction . Guest i thought it was a very strong ruling. A lot of detail, including looking at 19 specific instances of this. Ctress practice 14 of the 19 were unconstitutional. They have been treating different people i rates so differently. Separate from any racial conversation, violating our worth amendment rights to be free from unreasonable search and seizure. Is take ahave done decision by the Supreme Court allowed for certain on the street searching. Tore was a risk of danger the police. This makes sense. You can understand why the Supreme Court would say an officer who feared for his Public Safety might have a little more leeway as opposed to the higher search requirements that are triggered during a traditional search of going into someones home. You learned the in law school. Him makes sense. What nypd did is take that exception and make it the main way they search people in new york. 85 turned out to be racial minorities. Were not guilty of anything. As the lawsuit sews, one. 1 of hispanics, 1 of African American stopped under the program. Does not seem like youre even looking for guns are you are terrible or youre terrible at doing it. When you look at the racial disparities, youre terrible at doing it and you are subjecting a certain type of very invasive procedures to primarily people who are both of a certain class, look a certain way, and to our overwhelmingly innocent. That was too much for the court to accept. Guest you are a lawyer. They disagree with you. The site the Supreme Court carries ohio. They go on to say it is constitutional because of the itreme court case as well as is allowed under the criminal procedure law. About to create with blac guest the debate over whether this was constitutional change yesterday. The wall morning, street journal and i disagreed about this issue. Today we are in an environment where the federal word has ruled it unconstitutional. There is a right to appeal which would go up to the Second Circuit. The case is by no means over. Today i think members of the medias opinion matter far less. Mayor bloomberg talked about whether this increases safety. That is a debate people can continue to have. As long as it is illegal under the old form, which in now is, a nottical reality it is matter so much about what others think. We have to respect the courts decision which is the law until changed by a higher court. The second issue you raised was the law, what they can do under code. It comes in as timelines and a relevant thing. If they are otherwise acting constitutionally. This for ad suggest variety of reasons. No one would suggest that the new york guidelines somehow trump the amendment of the constitution which was a validation of yesterdays ruling. That is where the debate goes for those who want to look and how you can have these practices continue in ways that do not filing the constitutional peoples right. Just to be clear for the nonlawyers, the police ability to conduct the traditional stop and frisk has not changed. The question is whether this policy was applying that search for guns in a way that was so clearly irrationally and that thedisparate court said it went well beyond what they can do in the gun search context of the Supreme Court. This is an important point. When people say that stop and is no more in new york, they mean that program as applied with those numbers i mentioned. The individual ability of an officer still stands. What they can no longer do is use that gun search as a trick or a loophole to conduct hundreds of thousands of searches without really having the reasonable suspicion necessary. Host we will go to tony, democratic collaaller. Guest i think it is an important point. We have seen disparate treatment. Our laws have struggled to deliver on the promise of total inequality between all citizens that i think we have always had as an omission ambition. We have come closer to it but have not achieved. Are looking at in many cases is the way that laws that are written one way are actually applied. Not necessarily with disk room in a tory intent in the mind of each individual person in the unbearable and theirtake it results. One example is that the white population uses marijuana at a slightly higher rate. They are punished at quadruple the rate. They consider this a lowlevel type of drug event. When we look at the history of this and whether those offenses were as a society, whether those sentences were debated and thought about a something that we would all share together and have to think about. Meted out aswere something that would only happen to a few or others is an important point for us to think about. Do you think the stop and frisk case will go to the Supreme Court . Guest i do not know. It shows how they will go up and be reviewed. When it goes to the court of appeals in new york, that is a chance for multiple judges to look at it that is generally where this kind of case would stop. That is to say even highprofile appeals from federal courts are generally not by the Supreme Court. Why would they take this or any there ismetimes when something considered so important for such a natural question that they would not do it. Legislation was ultimately disagreed on by several courts. That is the the kind of case where people feel even if there was not a big leasplir, they mit have been willing to take that case just to resolve it. Host do you believe the Appeals Court will uphold the ruling by the judge yesterday . What is your prediction . Guest i do not know. I do not know. Second circuit, this is what i would say. The Second Circuit compared to some other places not necessarily a rubber stamp for government activity. There are circuits were Research Shows that the police or executive branch wins at an extraordinarily high rate. There are circuits that are particularly that it to claims of Public Safety or national security. The second is not that kind of rubber stamp. This should be a fear and well litigated case, not one where it is almost certain that the will win. There ball, there law, is a lot of president that says because believe police risk their lives that we give them a certain amount of damag deferen. If youre trying to understand what is going to happen, it was checking to see this judge rule so strongly. The judge could have said i have concerns about this, see if you can ask them. She did not have to have an independent monitor in there. She did not have to issue a permanent injunction. That part is striking. The Second Circuit has options to take it, cancel it, or do something in the middle ground. Beyond that i cannot predict. Host john, republican. Caller i am listening to this individual. I want to remind him of an old story. I do not know if youve ever heard of willie sutton. A famous famous a bank robber of the 50s. After he was captured, they asked him why he robbed banks. He says because that is where they keep the money. They have to stop the crime before it starts. Whatever the percentage is of them grabbing guns, theyre stopping crime before it starts. I do not know where he lives but i would give you dollars for donuts that he probably lives in an all white, crime free area. There is a reason why the cops go into this area. They know that is where the crime is. If he does not like it, that is too bad. I appreciate the point. I will leave out the where do i let part. I live in brooklyn. I used to work at the manhattan public defenders were you deal with defendants accused of crimes throughout the city who cannot afford their money to buy a lawyer. I have some both personal and Legal Expertise in the area crimefighting which is not by any means to diminish the fact that these are tough questions people want their communities safe. Substantivece part of the question, are the police simply going where crime is . ;s lead my opinion out of it. The judge ruled no. Even when you control for variables like the crime rate in certain neighborhoods, the police are actually very good at targeting individuals who are criminals. That is an important distinction here. This case might have been resolved differently if there was some Racial Disparity but a very good record of actually identifying potential criminals. That is not the case. What the judge basically found was that when you control for crime and Racial Disparity there still was an overwhelming selection of minority men over other individuals. That is why this is so important. It goes to the question of do hispanics create more crime and should they be targeted . Of thewer was it 89 people selected into the program are not found guilty of , crimeame anything that could affect you or violence, what the judge said was this is not working at all. What it is doing and using a very weak indicator rate to harass. ,ast year over 500,000 people 89 of them were not guilty of anything. The police have to find a better way to find these potential criminals then systematically searching and stopping and publicly humiliating so many new yorkers who are innocent who are certainwho also look a way. Anyone who has gone through that situation would tell you it does not seem fair. 2004gregate levels from 2012 where the case was looking the data did not allow them to make the kind of defense that the caller could defend the program. Host going to your series on ms msnbc the jury system is a farce and should be looked at seriously with a view to instituting a better system. Guest we have a lot of problems in the jury system. And a lot of people feel while everyone from the founders it is the baseline of our system. The untrainedto reactions to all the citizens who end up on the jury. There is a lot of concern about particularly how juries were, particularly when you do not have a very clear guideline for what to do the people who watch the case on tv. They will sometime feel like theyre coming to a different conclusion than they think any reasonable jury should. The reason why the system has managed to survive for so long is that it is ultimately a democratic check on what prosecutors were elected officials might do. We have seen juries again and bump the hype that may be circulating and come to their own decision. Does that mean theyll always get it right . Probably not. It is not leave this totally up in the air. We do not ask juries simply to figure out who probably did what. We set a standard that is they have to be pretty darn certain beyond a reasonable doubt. We have predetermined an outcome that it is better for them to be found not guilty then to be sending innocent people away. I do think there is room to look at the problems of the jury system. As for Racial Disparity and what we look at in the presumed guilty series, i would argue it is far less the source of some of these systemic inequalities and other parts of the system, including how we fund public defenders, how we let forprofit prisons determine public policy, and how often we rely on harsh sentencing as opposed to rehabilitation. Host birmingham, alabama, democratic collar. Caller. Caller i love you and the crew. My comment is this. I am glad you are explaining because Grover Norquist was on with a lot of spin. He had talking points going. Wish they could put you and him on at the same time so we could look at different views. You are so right. Learn the law. Law. Different parts of the the truth that you are speaking here constitutionality of stopandfrisk it was biased towards minority men, hispanic and African American men. They could have gone in manhattan or times square and did the same thing. Am an africanamerican i know it is higher crime sometimes in our areas. We want our Constitutional Rights not trampled on. Africanamerican men, learn your rights. And about the mandatory sentencing that eric holder wants to start thats what we need to find out and learn more about. Host ok. Mr. Melber . Guest thanks for the comment. I think this is a huge issue. One other point we have not gotten to is that, traditionally, the kind of stops the nypd was using is only legal if the person being stopped it is voluntary. They are talking to you and you are free to walk away. I dont think anyone who has seen any of these practices im a if you look at the data these practices, if you look at the data, would view them as voluntary. Plaintiffsone of the who was stopped repeated times right in his neighborhood as a lawabiding citizen. He did not feel that this was voluntary. You can look to him and other people who told their stories. The manner of education combines with having a government that respects peoples rights. It only goes so far if you say, technically, the Supreme Court said i can walk away from an officer, but in the moment it does not feel that way at all. It goes farther than the legal precedent. As for what eric holder is proposing in specific, i think what is important is this is a step back towards having judges and prosecutors figure out what should face an individual. A get you away from the one sizefitsall it gets you away from the onesizefitsall idea that everyone should get the max penalty. It is a max because it is supposed to be for the worst crimes. There may be cases where there are some really bad things going on and people want to put someone in for the max. But we have had our entire approach to sentencing and rehabilitation turned upside down during the war on drugs and the law and order era in saying everyone gets the max. It becomes a minimum. That is a huge problem. As for mr. Norquist, ive been in the same place before you died be happy to come on with him if it is something that he and cspan want to do before. I would be happy to come on with him if it is something that he and cspan want to do. Host can people who were wrongfully searched sue new york city . Guest sure. Under a federal lawsuit, you can always sue for vindication of your constitutional right. That is part of what we had in this case. The big question for policy is whether you are suing as an individual, seeking some sort of personal restitution, damages. I got hurt. I want money. Versus trying to have some sort of classaction or multiple plaintiffs who are seeking to change the policy. This case had several plaintiffs people who had been subjected to the policies who were suing. They were suing together instant in concert with the center for Constitutional Rights, seeking big policy changes, seeking an end to the program. The permanent injunction that they won did that. Tangible,e an actual, federal, individual right compromised, you always have that as a section of the law that provides for that. Since you are polling questions from twitter, whatever we dont get to polling since you are pulling questions from twitter, whatever we dont get to in the program, i can answer on twitter as well. Host massachusetts. Independent caller. Go ahead. Caller i would like to see the law not law, the criminal Justice System looked over. Because they are doing drugs. They are doing everything. And why are we listening to them when they need guidance themselves. We need their protection. Most of the time you hear a lot about them. And are turning around touching people that are. Nnocent grandchildren got into pot. They were smoking it. There was a lot of it going on all over the place. Righta very sick society now. When they get into the pot, they go to other things sometimes. But when they need help, they are sent away because they have done that. They come out of the prison system and have nowhere to go, nowhere to turn to. Up ugs make them ease to make them ease up and have someone speak to them are not there. Why dont we change this whole thing. If you are going to allow marijuana to be a free thing for people to get, give them the things that they need, which is help and the Justice System that really works. Host ok. Ari melber. Guest the caller is touching on a lot of important stuff. Number one, no one is suggesting that just because we dont want to do punishments for certain bronx on par with certain manslaughter,ith no one is saying that people should go out and be addicted to drugs or that is necessarily a great quality or approach to life. The caller raises the issue of recidivism and what do we do with people who may have won a legal act, whether that could be a car accident or drug use or something that does not necessarily mean that they are proactively choosing a life of crime and they dont want to be a productive citizen, but rather, they have something they are struggling with. How do we separate that from the people who need the punishment . Hot is especially complicated. Isis de facto pot especially obligated. It is de facto decriminalized in some states. He government will allow it the federal government has not changed the classification and still treats it as a potentially serious and punishable crime. Thato you deal with tension . How do you take people who may be caught up in the criminal aspect of drug use and treat that in a way that does not make them more likely to recommit. The recidivism rates are north of 43 . Within three years you come out of jail and you are likely to recommit. You have drug course and rehabilitation course that focus on helping people who do want to get away from a life of drugs or away from a habit and deal with that as a primary goal, rather than the expensive expense of punishing them as if they were a serious, criminal, violent offender. I am here talking about law and i am a lawyer. There is a broader question of the communities we live in and the families we are in and how we as a society create opportunities for people and give people other solutions and other incitement. In many cases, people who are really serious drug offenders or really serious drug users with a habit or an addiction are people who have lost sight of other opportunities or did not feel they had a lot of opportunities. And that is not to absolve them of their personal responsibility , but i think there are broader questions beyond the law, how we raise our families and our communities as well. Host here is a comment. Jails and prisons produce some of the best americans have to offer. Criminals america has to offer. Caller i have not had any trouble. I dont have any criminal history. , evene i am a female though im africanamerican, i have never been stopped. But i have a 36yearold son who has never been in jail, never had any problems with the police, married with three children, and trying to live and have a good life, and he is pulled over all the time. All the time. Even when his children have been with him. In fact, he told me the last time he was pulled over, the cop asked him when was the last time you were in jail. He said, ive never been to jail. So, they ran his his license they ran his license or whatever they do. He said the Police Officers attitude changed after he found out that he was not a criminal. But the damage was already done. Host all right. Ari melber. Guest it is such an important point. It comes up in the stopand frisk ruling. There is an extended side conversation about the fact, essentially, that when you systematically treat innocent people this way, with the obvious correlation of mistreatment based on race, you are undermining their faith and legitimacy in the system. Community policing, which is something people talk about a lot as well, relies on some sort of faith and trust between the community and neighborhood and people in it who are being policed and the Police Officers themselves. You have more than one cost. You have the individual cost, which is hard to put into words, but i think the caller did it very well, a person who is a father and a husband and a productive member of the community and a lawabiding citizen being repeatedly singled out and mistreated. I dont know that personal situation. It fits with many of the stories that were the factual predicate of the ruling in a way that was humiliating and counterproductive. Your heart goes out to those individuals in new york, like i mentioned, over 500,000 stops. That was something that really took the authority and the force of the nypd and really divided the city along racial lines. It is very serious and very important that we look beyond that not only the drive, legal analysis of it, although that is important to understand as a society, but also the deep human cost and to millie nation and humiliation. Were not talking about every police department. Were not talking about every members of the force every member of the force. The members were carrying out a policy. If you give them different instructions, they could carry out a different policy. The officers, in doing their jobs, they risk their lives for us. Because of a bad policy from the top that i have described from mayor bloomberg and ray kelly, those officers can be caught in a cycle of that humiliation i talked about, that they dont want to be part of either. You, one last call in for from mapleton, illinois. Caller thats a very good point you made about Police Officers being involved in that. Having been a Police Officer in california for 23 years. You work with people who dont have a lot of experience with other types of people. We are taught to have met to have command presence. When you get an escalation of something that was not a problem to begin with, you are going to really have some problems. What do you do next . You put your hands on them . Then you are in real trouble. Stopandfrisk never should have been allowed. Bloomberg knows better than that. The constitution says you cannot do it. Crime. Ped i could go door to door and kick it in and find something wrong and most peoples houses, but we cannot do that. We cannot allow people Police Officers to do that. Because the constitution says you cannot. Host all right. We will take that point. Ari melber. Guest i appreciate the point from the former officer. The ruling says that macs intermentmay max may lower the crime rate, but that is where we end, not where we begin. We saw that in the boston arming. In the Boston Marathon bombing. In that particular instance, it made sense. If you tried to have a lock down of a city every day to fight crime, you run into legal and moral problems. We cannot look at these issues from the narrow prism of what might possibly reduce crime. We have to look at it in terms of crime and Public Safety in combination with the fact that we are a democracy that lives with open values, tolerance, and some sense of equal treatment. Even people who disagree with me and think this is a tool that should be used sometime to myagree with the court final plea would be we have to look with our eyes wide open at how these programs are working, when they are racially unfair and in a way that is not directly connected to Public Safety goals, and try to come together as a society on something that has always been hard for us, which is to step outside of our own Life Experience or our own racial experience and figure out how we can Work Together as a society. I appreciate everyones input. Host ari melber, you can watch them on and as nbc on you can watch him on msnbc, the cycle. You can follow him on twitter and have a conversation, ar imelber, if youd like to do that. His series, presumed guilty, is creamy ring on msn is premiering on msnbc. Host we will turn our attention to common core standards. First, a news update. It is 9 17 a. M. Eastern time. In. Retail sales edged up july despite a drop in auto sales. The Commerce Department says retail sales increased 0. 2 in july. Core retail sales, that excludes autos, gas, Building Supply categories, rose 0. 5 in july, the biggest gain since december, when it had a similar rise. Fewer americans are delinquent in making credit card payments. Says, from april to june, the rate of credit card payments at least 90 days overdue fell to just over 0. 5 , the lowest level since 1994. As thel tournament fall approaches, there is a survey that says College Tuition is expensive but feeding and housing students is even more expensive. Students attending instate, fouryear you never cities paid an average of for food and housing four year universities paid an average of those are some of the latest headlines on cspan radio. One of the things i looked at as i was exploring this i looked at a lot of the county records in the counties where these colleges are. When you look at the colonial county records, very often, you will have the name of the president or name of the professor listed with their taxable property. Bring theirnts slaves . Students actually brought their slaves to school . Yes. What then happens, if you look at the name of the person and then three lines over, part of his taxable property is an enslaved person in the case of princeton or harvard, you will have the president s name, ditto the college. Who owns the person . In the Common Knowledge of the local area, the president and the college are kind of inseparable anyway. Craig Stephen Wilder on the connection between elite universities and a past intertwined with slavery Craig Steven Wilder on the connection between elite universities and a past intertwined with slavery. Washington journal continues. Host we want to take a look at common core standards. That comes from one of our viewers who tweeted in the suggestion. Isool is about as school about to begin, lets explore the limitations of common core from state to state and the testing session. We want to take a look at that in our last hour. If you want to suggest a topic, go to our homepage and submit your idea there at the top of the page im a or you can tweet us top of the page, or you can tweet us as well. Common core standards are our topic for the last 45 minutes. Lets talk about what it is. What is common core . Guest sure, great. Common core sure, greta. Common core is a set of academic standards that are common in grades k through 12. This is one set of academic standards in math and english Language Arts that are being used to create curriculum for students in k through 12. Host and they are voluntary adoption through by state. Why . Guest that is the way the initiative was created. States can choose to adopt or not adopt. That in itself is mired in controversy. Technically, they are voluntary adoption, statebased. Host how many states are doing this . Guest every state but four. 47 states and the district of columbia. Host minnesota has some lines through it. The state adopted standards in only one subject. They can pick one subject. Why . Guest they did. Minnesota was the only state that did that. They did have the adoption to do that in language or math. Minnesota did that in only ela standards. Host how did this come about . Guest there was a rising chorus about standards and the tests that states used to see if students have mastered had mastered those. It was disturbing to a lot of policymakers. There was rising concern about International Competitiveness and whether we were producing kids who are ready to compete in a global marketplace. Amid all of those concerns, governors and chief state school officers, state superintendents of schools, gathered for a big summit in 2009 to discuss is the time right for one set of common academic standards. The association of governors, the National Governors association, and the Association State School Chiefs really lead this initiative and tried to rally support. They played instrumental roles in writing the standards. At is how it came about. That is how it came about. Host what are the standards . Guest anyone who wants can look at the standards online. Www. Corestandards. Org. It is maintained by the initiative. It is really about what math content you need to know. There are different strands for the topics within the standards. They escalate. Mathematics, grade two. Understanding place values. A student might be expected to understand that the three digits of a three digit number represent amounts of hundreds, tens, and once. 100s, 6nce, 706, 7 ones. It progresses. There are multiple strands. In english, same thing. There are literary standards, literary tests, informational tests. There are speaking and listening standards, writing standards. Here is an example. This comes from the informational text in grade two. A student has to identify the main topic of a multiparagraph text as well as the focus of specific paragraphs within that text. By fifth grade, they are supposed to determine two or more main ideas of the text and explain how they are supported by key details and summarize the text. By 11th and 12th grade, it sounds like this. More central or ideas of the text, analyze their development, including how they interact and build on one another. Summary. N objective there are many strands. You can read them online. Host how are kids bearing . Fairing . Guest it depends. States and districts are at very different places, how far along they are with implementing the standards. They really are on their own timeline. The only taking timeclock here ,s that there are assessments state tests being designed for the standards by two huge groups of states. Those are going to roll out and in 20142015. How bad the state wants to ramp up to that they can build up gradually. It has been a little rock he. Little rocky. Host there is a story about the state of new york and how it is doing. This is a comparison of how many students in new york city and the other large cities scored proficient on englishLanguage Arts and math tests in 2012 and then in 2013 when the tests became more difficult. Guest there is a lot going on with charts like that. This is really tricky to understand. Unfortunately, it does get shorthanded in a way that makes it somewhat confusing. What happened in new york mirrors what happened in kentucky. Kentucky was the first state that gave a test that was created for these standards specifically. Performance that dropped precipitously. The same thing happened in new york. Washington, d. C. , did the same thing. I have been spending a lot of time in a particular school, watching the way common core is implemented. Struggle. Ricts they showed a ton of progress. I think it depends on what they are doing and how and how far along they are. Host we have divided the phones up a little bit differently. Parents, 202 5853880. Teachers, 202 5853881. Caller i have several concerns. I hope you will let me get all three of our my points out. I have read an article about finland being named the number one in advanced nations of Public School education. This may be going towards the model that they have. But my concern is that we do subject of learning instead of objective learning we do subjective learning instead of objective learning. Another concern of mine, the third concern, is that Public School is in most advanced nations. I would like to have our School Systems in america aim for age use theirldren could Social Security benefits from their elderly parent, death of a if they are already on Social Security at the age of 17 and 18, to go to college or a vocational college. I hope this is where our School System in the United States is headed. Thank you. Host all right. Catherine gewirtz. Guest you do make three large points. Im only qualified to take on the ones that pertain to the common core. At the risk of frustrating you all, i will take on that one. Finland has been held up for a model. I think there are things the common core tries to take froms from finland. The idea that learning needs to progress a certain way over the grades and that teachers are free to teach the way they feel they need to, instead of in lockstep, some of those ideas are incorporated into common core according to the riders. There are skeptics that dont feel that is the case at all. This is moving territory when it comes to debating these kinds of things. As far as age 16, that has nothing to do with common core. Host a parent in louisville, kentucky. Caller i think it is interesting you mentioned kentuckys position, as one of the people who just tested to compare the common core. Our children went through the catholic School System. The catholic School System here in louisville is very big. Our Public School system is so poor. Our local School Board Just voted last night to raise our property taxes for the sixth year in a row. We raise our taxes. We pay more money. And our scores continue to go down. We are also one of the few places who still bus students, which is one of the big drivers of our problems. I dont know when that will ever come to an end. I guess people just are not tired enough of it, and the ones who are leave and go to different counties right on the perimeter. I dont think the common core is going to help our problem at all. All it is going to do is shine a brighter light on some very, very deep problems having to do with busing, poverty, family dysfunction, etc. T is an interesting idea obviously, we like high standards, but its really not going to do anything to improve our situation. Host all right. Statesne gewertz, are getting financial help from the federal government to implement the standards . Guest no. That is really their problem. As you know, states are strapped right now. Anything that cost them money is that costs them money is problematic. There are two Big Consortium of states consortia of states that have federal funding. They obtained 350 Million Dollars of federal funding as part of the stimulus 350 million of federal funding as part of the stimulus. There is federal money to develop tests, but not to administer them. Host the states will have to pick up the tab for that. Is that an expensive endeavor . Guest it can be. It depends on how much and scoring is involved hand scoring is involved and how much can be computer scored. It comes to common core, we are talking about standards and not curriculum. Talk about the difference. Guest thats a great question. There could be a lot of discussion on that. In a nutshell, standards are like a skeleton. They are a highlevel framework. Curriculum should be what you put on top of those standards or you build around them to teach. If there is an expectation that kids have to read complex text independently, you could do that a number of ways. You could teach that through any number of resources or strategies. And that is the intent of the people who work the common core. A lot of people feel that once you have the federal government encouraging adoption of common core am a did through race to the top, and you have the federal adoption of common core, which it did through race to the top, and you have the federal host are the states coming in with curriculum to put on top of the standards . Curriculum is a local control tradition when it comes to the u. S. And standards. It feels national. It feels mandated to a lot of people. The really took some people wrong way. Curriculum, likewise, is very state to state. In some places, districts can create their own. Host we will hear from an educator in pennsylvania. Do you teach, and what grade . Caller i work in special education for an intermediate unit. Im kind of in a different plan than a regular ed teacher, because a lot of our kids dont have to measure up to the core standards. They take a different test. Beenast two weeks, i have going through in services on the common course and are common core standards. We have had some regular educators from different districts. It surprises me that, if you want everybody to be doing the common core stuff, why isnt it being taught across the board . Class anding a math im doing the vocab, that vocabulary in that class should also be taught any other classrooms. Raise what going to you want from our children. Host ok. Catherine the words. Catherine gewertz. Guest you race two good points you raise two good points. One is about peschel added and the other is about cross disciplinary teaching one is about special aed and the other is about cross disciplinary teaching. Are the teachers going to be sufficiently prepared to change their teaching to reach the children of need, not just special ed, englishlanguage learners, kids from poverty . That is a huge question. The other one about cross disciplinary teaching is a great point. Andstandards are math english Language Arts. The english Language Arts are cross disciplinary. There are expectations that teachers in all subjects, science, social studies, teach literacy skills that are pressed that are specific to their subject. You might need certain kinds of literacy skills to make sense of a confiscated, historical text, and those skills are different from what you might need to make sense of a complicated, historical text, and those skills are different from what you might need for a science project. Your point. If there is vocabulary that needs to be learned, it should be a team effort. That is what the standards writers would like. In my fieldwork reporting, i dont see a lot of that training going on with teachers. Host why not . Guest schools and districts and states have a lot on their hands. They would like to do more teacher training than they have the capacity to do. And we are talking about training teachers who are already in the profession. The ones coming up, who we call preservice teachers ed are not doing much to prepare new teachers for the common core, and the existing ones we have Read Research studies that show there is not as much professional development as there should be. It is hard to get it all done. Host George Washington University Center on education policy surveyed states and found that they all believe the standards are more vigorous and will improve students skills in math and english although few have the necessary skills. Is the website. What is your question on common core . Caller im a grandmother. I know schools have changed since i was in there. But why is virginia not doing it . Do you know specifically why virginia decided not to go along . Guest i do. It is very simple, unlike a lot of things we talk about in education. They thought their standards were just fine, thank you very much, and they opted not to adopt the common standards. But what they did do is they went through a process of what they call alignment. They looked at their standards. They looked at the common standards. They tried to tweak and adjust so that their own state standards did do what the common standards expected. And they have their own test, as you know. Bridging it has the standard of learning assessments virginia has the standard of learning assessments they kept. Non they are one of four participating states. 47, including the district of columbia, have signed up. Charles . Caller i support the common core standards. We have seen an adjustment from scores. We went from 76 proficient to 51 . I think it is just because of the changes and the way things are tested, but it will improve over time. Our focus is Public Education and enriching kids in many different ways, not just a test score. I think sometimes that gets swept under the rug. The impact public teachers have is on all kinds of things, not just one thing. Kids are wonderful. They are searching for their own way to be successful. If we can impact them positively and teach them how to be a good person and how to work towards things, all those scores really go out the window when we are enriching the individual. We dont want to lose sight when we look just at test scores. As Public School teachers should be looked upon as what we impact, just not on those test course. Scores. Please remember that. We impact a lot of areas, character and everything else. Host ok, charles. Guest good points. Theres a lot of conversation about what you mentioned. There are changes in states accountability systems, the reports they need to make to the federal government about how they are doing. State accountability is changing little by little. They are starting to take more things than test scores into account. Stay tuned. That movement maybe something you approve of, given what you said. Host here is a tweet from one of our viewers. Saying the idea of state to state and common core seems contradictory when they can pick and choose. Guest that is true. They can adopt the standards but they can make their own tests. We have seen states doing that. Oklahoma, for instance, stayed tiaone of the two big consorit and said, we are going to create our own test. There are differences that states can embrace on the testing. The common core standards were supposed to be the best of the whole thing, lock, stock, and barrel. The question about testing uniformity is all the states are going to use these common standards test there are other players entering the landscape. Does it mean we are not it is not, and if we are not all using the same test does it mean it is not common if we are not all using the same test . Act announced they are offering a suite of tests that, at least on paper, looked like they will do a whole lot of the same kinds of stuff that the common standards assessments will do. So that has started to look more like a competitive landscape. Host give us a ballpark or an idea of how much this costs. Guest the figure that gets thrown around is a per student figure. How much does it cost perfect per student . The system is not officially priced. They are aiming for the 20 student range. The common core consorita have consoritia have announced prizes. One of them gives a choice based on what sort of test. About 22 student or 27 student, depending on what you choose. For park, about 29. Host how do they deal with curriculum internationally . Guest since it is not a curriculum, it is a little hard to answer. Im not quite sure how to answer that. There are so many other countries and their standards vary so much. There are some countries whose standards are tight, little documents of 20 pages. Some dont have standards at all. They have set their Education Systems up differently. Im not sure i can answer that in as clear a way as that tweeter might like. Host we are talking about common core standards. We want to hear from parents, teachers, educators, and everyone else. You have seen the headlines towardtates moving adopting these standards and moving towards testing their children. Parents, 202 5853880. Teachers and educators, 202 5853881. All others, 202 5853882. Joe in noeew york. Caller good morning. My question is similar to the tweeter, about kind of an international and comparative perspective. Dont follow education common standards closely. When i meet people for example, i met someone from the south part of italy, calabria. The economy, she said, had not changed in years. Her daughter came over as an eighth grader and knew more than all the other kids in the community. I hear this story again and again from teachers. Someone came from ukraine and said, people were poor, but kids learn. If the kid misbehaved, the principal called the parent. If the parent did not stop the kid from disrupting the class, they called the parents employweer. And on and on. My daughter spent a summer in japan. It seems the schools that really slim and budget it is a fantastic learning environment. Host ok. Catherine gewertz. Guest i am not going to purport to be a historian of education in the u. S. But one of the things that drove the standards was the pervasive sense that we were letting kids off to easy, that things off too easy, that things needed to be more rigorous, that we needed to hold them to a higher expectation. One of the most widely quoted aspects of the literacy standards is an expectation that kids read closely. Close reading is a phrase that has been popularized by the standards, at least in education circles. What does that mean . A lot less land handholding by the teachers. You have to learn to read more confiscated task text. You have to dive you have to learn to read more complicated text. You have to dive into it, as opposed to just writing how you feel about the main character, or an eassay what i did this summer. People who wrote the standards hate that stuff. They think it is time to get nittygritty, dive into the text, built arguments. Its one example build arguments. It is one example. Host speaking of that, a tweet. Teachers hate test scores teachers hate test scores more than anything in this world. Guest there is a popular line that teachers hate tests and people do. Many parents and students hate tests. In addition to talking with those folks, i have also talked to teachers who learn a lot from the feedback that tests can offer. It depends on what kind of test you are giving. Is it multiplechoice . Is it essays . Papers . Research projects . The assessments of the common core being designed for the common core, they promise to have many other kinds of questions. Rop stuff on the computer, where it is not just fill in the bubble. These could be more indepth. Time will tell. Host daniel wants to know on twitter, what is being done to move schools over to Digital Media like tablets and ipads since the overall cost is cheaper than books. I assume it would be the same for testing if you move it onto the computer. Guest there are a number of forces that are pushing schools to go digital. It is expensive. They cannot do that as quickly as they would like. These common assessments are one of those forces. Both of them are going to be computerbased. Give these tests, you have to have the computer capacities that have the hardware, the bandwidth, the scheduling to get kids through the computer lab or whatever the case may be. You have to have the devices. That is one of the forces that schools are facing. Are they going to have the technological capacity to do these tests . York. An educator in new good morning. In what ways could schools could schools get parents to support their children . Guest good question. I know there has been a push to increase parent awareness of the common standards. The pta, you might not be surprised, has been part of that. There are all sorts of Information Fact sheets for parents, explainers being circulated by the pta and some of the local organizations. On that website, im sure you can find resources for parents. School is cued into doing that and helping parents is anybodys guess. Im sure they are all over the map. Parents may get left out of the loop. Hopefully that will not happen. Arents do have resources host welcome to the conversation. Caller good morning. How are you today . A couple of quick comments. I am 70 years old. I have seen lots of the federal government humming into the states. I am a big believer in the constitution the federal government coming into the states. I am a big believer in the constitution. Constitution the the education of children in louisiana is the federal purview is the purview of the federal government. What i see in this program the underpinning is you accept federal money, you accept federal control. This is the start of that. This is the nose of the camel in the tent. It isl have common core, voluntary. The next administration might be even more progressive than the current one. Now it is mandatory. And we have curriculum that follows it. It may be voluntary. Then it becomes mandatory. Host ive got your point. We will have catherine go wertz it. Atherine gewertz address guest you have touched on a lot of heat. The idea of federal control and federal overreach into local education decisions is very controversial in some places. There have been states that have been debating this. It got very hot in utah for this reason. Utah dropped out of the assessment consortia. There is concern and genuine debate about what constitutes overreach and where this is an example of overreach. We have published opeds about this controversy, where we have had scholars argue that there are places in federal law that prohibit what we are seeing. The flipside is that what is prohibited in federal law is the mandating of curriculum. The response, as you can imagine from common core supporters, is this does not mandate curriculum. Teachers can teach however and whatever they want as long as they hold their students to these standards. Something that is just a like veil and it light really doesnt address the problem. On twitter, will history and science be science facts be consistent, not susceptible to revisionist politics local religious views . Guest these are about literacy skills. History, thef content of science, not covered by these standards. There is a new set of science common carmen Science Standards that were recently created. Starting to be adopted by states. It is a separate initiative. Host monica is next in ohio. Parent. Caller good morning. I have a question and maybe a comment. I am the parent of a 12yearold who participates in a catholic and has special Education Assistance as well. Im curious as to why this country where 150 children 1 in 50 children are diagnosed on the autism spectrum and 1 in 25 are on the behavioral spectrum and those are just the ones that are diagnosed. Where do these children falling to all of this . These children fall into all of this . I think they will slip between the cracks. How can the mainstream these students to the standards . Host ok. Guest very good question. Like the previous caller who mentioned special ed, your concern is really ricocheting around the university of the common standards now. You are right. Special education students, except those most severely cognitively disabled the expectations are the same. The challenges how do we get our Teaching Staff up to speed to handle the new expectations for special ed students as well as nonspecialed students. This is one of the real tension points in this initiative. System,et the entire teachers, materials, technology, everything, up to speed, and it has not been fully answered. Been an expression of optimism. I understand your concern. Host a teacher from seagrove, North Carolina. You are on the air. Caller my first thing, as a teacher, from when i started 20 years ago to now, all you do now is teach a test. You cannot teach kids anymore. The individual out of education. The thing with this race to the stuff and all of that teachers are getting more work to do with no more pay. Our pay actually went down. The federal money we are supposedly getting teachers do not see any of it. Gewertz . Herine guest i cannot address the pay issue. We hear about this nonstop, that people hate tests, teachers hate tests. It is not hard to understand why. If you are spending a lot of your classroom time getting kids ready for a test a test you dont think is a very good test, that cannot feel very good. But tests are here right now. It is hard to see a letup. Host how does this differ from no child left behind . Behind child left there was a federal law called the elementary and secondary education act, which was the main law that carries the requirements that we all are familiar with. The latest version is called no child left behind. That is the name it has. That is what requires the tests that so many people love to hate. No child left behind is still in place. It is way overdue for reauthorization. But that is what we have right now. That governs testing. The Obama Administration has issued what we have called waivers what they have called waivers to states. States can get out under some of the requirements of no child left behind if they offer some way of being accountable that offers that satisfies the administration. We are seeing changes in what is expected. Nost lets talk to a parent i lafayette, indiana. Caller i am the concerned parent of an eightyearold and a sixyearold. My comment is that my children are average educated. But because of the common core standards, they are labeled as a child that maybe is a slower math. R or slower in they have to have help on the side. Also, i think money has a lot to do with it. If you dont have a lot of money to educate your child very young, they are not going to be at the standard when they start in school. Host lets take that point. Guest there are a lot of concerns about what happens with children, wherever they are under the Current System am a when a new set of standards comes in and the expectations are higher the Current System, when a new set of standards comes in and the expectations are higher, where is that putting my child . Teachers need to be able to teach differently, to reach out to children, and also support for students. Host let me get to ruth in new york. Caller im fascinated by the conversation. I have heard callers talk about special needs students. And what is going to happen to them with the common core. I am an educator. I am surprised. I am fortunate to work in a very good school district, Strong School district with resources. In places i live and that i travel and conferences i go to, i dont hear as much as i would like to about the universal design for learning. Yet it is part of the framework for the new assessments. Could you talk about udl . I would love to know how other states are embracing this universal design for learning. Host ok. Guest i will do my best. Special ed and universal design are not the greatest areas of my expertise, so i will be somewhat limited. They areconsortia say building tests according to those principles. They have access for all students in mind from the beginning, which is not always the way tests are done. It is like an afterthought here they are designing tests according to those principles. Where states are on that . Im not going to be much help on that. You forhose of people who are seeing the headlines and wondering where did this come from, what do you say . This is ak topic that is very tricky to put in mainstream newspapers in the amount ofi am not at all surprit it took awhile to make it into mainstream newspapers. This is where the rubber meets the road with curriculum. For three years this has been coming on. And has been very abstract. Most people go, what standards . And they move on. Becoming real in schools, people are seeing a more concrete way. Edweek. Org follow more on this. De