Transcripts For CSPAN Vice Presidential Nominees Meet For Debate At Longwood University 20161005

One trillion dollars in tax increases, more regulation, more of the same 1 trillion in tax increases, more regulation, more of the same war on coal. Hillary clinton and tim kaine want to build on obamacare and make it a singlepayer program. Hillary clinton thinks obamacare is a good start. We have a plan to get Health Care Working again by lowering taxes across the board for working families, Small Businesses, and family farms, ending the war on coal that is hurting jobs, repealing obamacare lock. Stock, and repealing all of the executive orders obama has signed that are startling economic stifling Economic Growth in this country. On top of that, the trade deals that have put the American Worker first, you have got a prescription for real growth. When you get the economy growing, elaine, that is when you can deal with the national debt. When we get back to 3. 5 to 4 growth, then we are going to have the resources to meet our nations needs at home, abroad, and the ability to bring down the national debt. Sen. Kaine on the economy, there is a choice for the american electorate. Do you want a you are hired president in Hillary Clinton or a you are fired president and donald trump . We have five components. First, we invest in manufacturing, infrastructure, and research into Clean Energy Jobs for tomorrow. Second, we invest in our workforce from prek education to great teachers, to debt free college, and Tuition Free College for families that make less than 125,000 per year. Byrd, we promote fairness raising the minimum wage so you cannot work fulltime and make under the poverty level. We promote Small Business growth to make it easier to start and promote Small Businesses. We each grew up in Small Business families. My dad ran a welding shop. We have a tax plan that targets tax relief to middleclass individuals and Small Businesses and asked those at the top who benefits as we come out of recession to pay more. The trump plan is a different plan. It is a you are fired plan. Tore are two key elements it. Both donald trump and mike pence think we ought to eliminate the federal minimum wage. Mike pence, when he was in congress, voted against raising the minimum wage above five dollars 5. 15. He has been a oneman bulwark. Second, massive tax breaks for the very top, trillions of dollars of tax breaks for people just like donald trump. Elaine,lem with this, is that is exactly what we did 10 years ago and it put our economy in the deepest recession since the 1930s. The trump plan would cost 3. 5 million jobs. And donald trump, why would he do this . Because his tax plan helps him. If he ever met his promise and gave his tax returns to the American Public like he said he would, we would see just how much his economic plan is really a trumpfirst plan. Elaine the New York Times released part of mr. Trumps 1995 tax returns and reported he could have avoided paying several income taxes for years. Mr. Trump said he brilliantly used the laws to pay as little ties as legally possible. Does that seem fair to you . Gov. Pence first of all, i appreciate the you are hired, you are fired thing. Youve used that a lot. What you all just heard out there is more taxes, 2 trillion in more spending, more deficits, more debt, more government, and if you think that is all worth it, look at the other side of the table. The policies of this administration, which Hillary Clinton and senator kaine want to continue, have run this economy into a ditch. Sen. Kaine 50 million new jobs. Gov. Pence there are People Living in poverty today than the day that barack obama was Hillary Clinton at his side sen. Kaine it would improve dramatically between gov. Pence honestly senator, you can rollout the numbers and the sunny side. People in scranton, no different. Know different. People in indiana know different. The answer is not more taxes, sen. Kaine it is not to give away tax relief to folks at the top. I want to hear whether he will defend his running mate not releasing taxes. Elaine the question was about whether it seems fair to you that mr. Trump said he brilliantly used the laws to pay as little tax and legally possible. Gov. Pence this is the difference between donald trump and Hillary Clinton and senator kaine. They are career Public Servant. Donald trump is a businessman, not a career politician. He built a business. Those tax returns that came out publicly this week showed that he faced pretty tough times 20 years ago. Like virtually every other business, including the New York Times, he used operating laws, a tax code that actually is designed to encourage opportune encourage entrepreneurship. Sen. Kaine but why wont he released his tax returns . Gov. Pence he went through a very difficult time, but he used the tax code just the way it was supposed to be used. Sen. Kaine how do you know that . Gov. Pence he has created a business with billions of dollars. Sen. Kaine how do you know that . Gov. Pence this whole riff about not paying taxes, donald has created tens of thousands of jobs, and has paid payroll sen. Kaine let me talk about that. Elaine senator, i am going to give you 30 seconds to respond. Governor. Sen. Kaine donald trump started this campaign in 2014. He said, if i am running for president , i will absolutely release my tax returns. Gov. Pence he said he will do it. Sen. Kaine he said that makes me smart. So, it is smart not to pay for our military, for veterans, for teachers. I guess all of us who do pay for those things, i guess were stupid. Gov. Pence senator, do you do you take all the deductions you are entitled to . I do. Sen. Kaine governor pence, governor pence had to give donald trump his tax returns to show he was qualified to be Vice President. Donald trump must if the American Public his tax return to show he is qualified to be president. He is breaking his promise. Gov. Pence i have to respond to this. Donald trump has filed over 100 pages of financial disclosure, which is what the law requires. You can read youve that you can review that. Elaine gentlemen, i need to ask about Social Security. Sen. Kaine Richard Nixon released tax returns under audit. Elaine people at home cannot understand either one of you when you speak over each other. I will please ask you to wait until the other is finished. On the issue of Social Security. In 18 years, when the Social Security trust funds run out of money, you will be 76. The community for responsible federal budget estimates your benefits could be cut by as much as 7,500 per year. Sen. Kaine we are going to protect Social Security, one of the greatest programs the American Government has ever done. It happened at a time when you worked your whole life raising your kids, working, being a Little League coach, and retire into poverty. Inple deserve to retire dignity and not be in poverty. We have to keep it solvent and will keep it solvent. We will look for strategies like adjusting the payroll tax cap upward in order to do that. Here is what hillary and i will not do, and i want to make this plane. We will never ever engage in a risky scheme to privatize Social Security. Donald trump wrote a book and said Social Security is a ponzi scheme and privatization would be good for all of us. When congressman pence was an congress, he was the chief cheerleader for the privatization of Social Security, even after president bush stopped pushing for it, congressman pence kept pushing for it. We are going to stand up against that push to privatize Social Security and look for ways to keep it solvent going forward, focusing on the payroll tax. Gov. Pence thank you, you lane elaine. There they go again. [laughter] gov. Pence we are going to meet obligations to our seniors. We said we are going to meet the obligations to medicare. This is what this campaign is really about, senator. This is the scare tactic that they roll out sen. Kaine you have a voting record, governor. Gov. Pence look, there is a question that you asked sen. Kaine i cant believe you wont defend your own voting record. Gov. Pence you are running with defend your own voting record. Gov. Pence you are running with Hillary Clinton. You say you are going to keep the promises of Social Security. Donald trump and i are going to cut taxes. Sen. Kaine you are going to raise taxes on the middle class. Gov. Pence we will meet the obligations of Social Security and medicare. If we stay on the path that you have is on, we are going to be in a Mountain Range of that. Of debt. Elaine all right, let me move on. The issue of Law Enforcement and race relations. Law enforcement and race relations. After the Dallas Police shooting, police chief david brown said we are asking cops to do too much in this country. Every societal failure, we put it off on the cops. Not enough Mental Health funding, drug addiction funding, and schools fail. Cops. Give it to the do we ask too much of Police Officers in this country . How would you specifically address the chiefs concerns. Sen. Kaine that is a very fair comment. We put all that on polices shoulders. I was a city councilman and mayor in richmond. When i came in, we had one of the highest homicide rates in the states. We fought very hard with our Police Department and reduce our homicide rate nearly in half. When i was governor of regina, we worked hard. Governor of virginia, we worked very hard. We worked together. Here is what i learned as a mayor and governor. The way you make communities favor and the way you make communitiesou make through Community Policing. You build the bonds between amenity and the police force, bonds of understanding, thats between the community and the police force, bonds of understanding. When that gap narrows, it is safer for communities, and for the police. That model works across our country. There are other models that do not work, and overly aggressive more militarized model. Donald trump recently said we need to do more stop and frisk around the country. That would be a big mistake because it polarizes the relationship tween the police and the community. Here is what we will do, focus on Community Policing. Well focus on a comprehensive Mental Health reform package that Hillary Clinton worked on with Law Enforcement professionals, and fight the scourge of gun violence in the United States. I am a gun owner. I am a strong Second Amendment supporter. Because i got a lot of scar because when i was governor of virginia, there was a horrible shooting at Virginia Tech, and we learned through that painful situation that gaps in the background record check system should have been closed and could have prevented that crime. We are going to work to do things i close background record checks. If we do, we will not have the tragedy we did. One of those killed at Virginia Tech was a 70 plusyearold romanian holocaust survivor who had survived the holocaust, survived the soviet Union Takeover of his country, but then, he was a visiting professor at Virginia Tech, and could not survive the scourge of gun violence. We can support the Second Amendment and do things like background check to make us safer and police safer, too. Gov. Pence my uncle was a cop, career cop. On the beat in downtown chicago. He was my hero when i grew up. My three brothers and i would marvel at my uncle when he would come out in his uniform, sidearm at his side. Police officers are the best of us, and men and women, white, africanamerican, asian, latino, hispanic, they put their lives on the line every single day. Let me say, at the risk of agreeing with you, Community Policing is a great idea. It has worked in the hoosier state. We fully support that. Donald trump and i want to make sure Law Enforcement has the resources and tools to be able to really restore law and order, and for the cities and communities in this nation. It is probably why the 330,000 members of the fraternal order of the police endorse donald trump as the next president of the United States of america because they see his commitment to them, to law and order. They hear the bad mouthing that comes from people that seize upon tragedy as a reason to use a broad brush to accuse Law Enforcement of implicit bias or institutional racism. That really has got to stop. When an africanamerican Police Officer in charlotte, and allstar Football Player who went to liberty university, followed his dad into Law Enforcement, joined the force in charlotte in 2014, was involved in a Police Action shooting that claimed the life of keith lamont scott, it was a tragedy. I mean, we mourn with those who mourn, we grieve with those who grieve, and we are saddened at the loss of life. Hillary clinton actually referred to that moment as an example of implicit bias in the police force, where she was asked a week ago, whether there was implicit bias in Law Enforcement, her only answer was that there is implicit bias and everyone in the United States i just think what we ought to do is stop seizing on these moments of tragedy. We assure the public we have a full and complete and transparent investigation whenever there is a loss of life because of Police Action, but senator, please, enough of this seeking every opportunity to demean Law Enforcement broadly by making accusation of implicit bias every time tragedy occurs. Sen. Kaine people should not be afraid to bring up issues of bias in Law Enforcement. Gov. Pence i am not afraid to bring that up. Sen. Kaine if you are afraid to have the discussion, you will never solve it. This is a heartbreaking example. Philando castile, who was killed in st. Paul, who was a worker, a valued worker in a local school, he was killed for no other reason, in an incident that will be discussed and investigated. When folks went and explored this situation, what they found was that philando castile, they called him mr. Rogers with dreadlocks. Kids love him. He had been stopped by police 40 or 50 times before that fatal incident. If you look at sentencing in this country, African Americans get sentenced for crimes that very different rates. I just want to say, those who say we should not be able to bring up and talk about bias in the system will never solve the problem. Gov. Pence when africanamerican Police Officers involved in a Police Action shooting involving an africanamerican, why would Hillary Clinton accuse that africanamerican sen. Kaine i cannot believe youre defending the position there is no bias elaine i have a question on that point. Your fellow republican governor, senator tim scott, who is africanamerican, recently spoke on the senate floor. He said he was stopped seven times by Law Enforcement in one year. He said, i have felt the anger, frustration, sadness, and the humiliation that comes with feeling like you are being targeted for nothing more than being just yourself. What would you say to senator scott about his experience. Gov. Pence i have the deepest respect for senator scott. He is a close friend. I would say that we need to adopt criminal Justice Reform nationally. I had signed criminal Justice Reform in the state of indiana senate, and very proud about it. I worked in congress on the Second Chance act. We have got to do a better job recognizing and correcting the errors in the system that do reflect institutional bias in criminal justice. But what donald trump and i are saying is let us not have the reflex of assuming the worst of men and women in Law Enforcement. We believe that Law Enforcement is not elaine what would you say gov. Pence Law Enforcement in this country is a force for good. They truly are people who put their lives on the line every single day. I would suggest to you, what we need to do is assert a Stronger Leadership with the National Level to use the to support Law Enforcement. You heard senator kaine want to stop stop and frisk. Sen. Kaine let me if i could just i have heard senator scott make that eloquent plea. Criminal justice is about respecting the law and being respected by the law. There is a fundamental respect issue here. I want to talk about the tone. Donald trump has called mexicans rapists and criminals. He is called women dogs, pigs, disgusting. He said the judge was unqualified to. Federal lawsuit because his parents were mexican. He went after tom mccain, a pow, and said he was not a hero because he had been captured. If you want to have a society where people are respected and respect laws, you cannot have someone at the top who demeans every groupie talks about. I cannot believe that governor pence would defend the insult driven campaign that donald trump has run. Elaine immigration. Your running mates have both said that undocumented immigrants who have committed Violent Crimes should be deported. What would you tell the millions of undocumented immigrants who have not committed Violent Crimes. Governor pence. Gov. Pence donald trump has made a plan to end illegal immigration once and for all in this country. We have been talking it to death for 20 years. Hillary clinton and tim kaine want to continue the policy of open borders, amnesty, catch and release, sanctuary cities, all of the things driving wages down in this country, senator, and also too often, with criminal aliens in the country, it is bringing heartbreak. Donald trump has a plan that he laid out in arizona that will deal systematically with illegal immigration beginning with enforcement,ty, and it is probably why for the first time in history in immigration and Customs Enforcement, their union endorsed donald trump as the next president of the United States because they know they need help to enforce the laws of this country. Donald trump had laid out a plan. As we have a congress all that, which will strengthen our economy, strengthen the rule of law in our economy and make our once the criminal and then, we will deal with those that remain. I have to tell you. I was listening to the avalanche of insult coming out of senator kaine a minute ago. He says sen. Kaine i apologize. It is your two minutes. Gov. Pence he said it is an insult driven campaign. Did you all just hear that question marks ours is an insult driven campaign . Did you all just hear that . Ours is an insult driven campaign . Hillary clinton said that half of our supporters were a basket of deplorables. She said they were irredeemable, not american. It is extraordinary. She nailed one after another ism on millions of americans, beleive we can have a stronger america at home end illegalnd immigration once and for all. That is small potatoes compared to Hillary Clinton. She called half of donald Trump Supporters a basket of deplorables. Sen. Kaine she said, i should not have said that. Elaine this is senator kaines two minutes. Sen. Kaine now, we are even. Did donald trump apologize to senator john mccain for calling him not a hero . Did donald trump apologize for taking after somebody in a twitter war and making fun of her weight . Did he apologize for saying that president obama was not a citizen of the United States. You will look in vain for donald trump apologizing. Immigration, there are two plans on the table. Donald trump believes in deportation nation. You have got to pick your choice. Hillary and i want a bipartisan reform that will keep families together, second, that will help focus enforcement efforts on those were violent, third, that will do more border control, and l provide a path to citizenship for those who play by the rules and take criminal background checks. That is our proposal. Donald trump proposes to deport 16 million people, 11 million of whom are here without documents. They want to get rid of birthright citizenship. If you are born here, they want to eliminate that, that is another 4. 5 million people. They want to go house to house, school to school, business to business, and kick out 16 million people. I cannot believe that governor pence would sit here and defend his running mates plan that we should create a Deportation Force so that they will all be gone. Gov. Pence we have a Deportation Force. It is called immigrations and Customs Enforcement. And the union for immigrations enforcement for donaldst time endorsed trump to be the next president of the United States. Sen. Kaine you like the 16 million deportation . Gov. Pence senator, that is nonsense. They have a plan for open borders, amnesty. Sen. Kaine our plan is like Ronald Reagans plan from 1986. Gov. Pence we know the routine. It is amnesty. You heard one of the last things he mentioned is border security. That is how washington always plays it. Elaine senator sen. Kaine governor pence was against it. Gov. Pence a nation without borders is not a nation. Donald trump is committed to restoring the borders of this nation. Elaine how would these millions of undocumented immigrants leave . Would they be forcibly removed . Gov. Pence it doesnt end with border security, it begins with border security. After we secure the border, not only build a wall, but beneath the ground and in the air, we do internal enforcement. The focus has to be on criminal aliens. We just had a conversation about Law Enforcement, a conversation about the violence that is the setting our cities. The reality is, there is heartbreaking tragedy that has struck American Families because people who came into this country illegally are now involved in criminal and reprise and activity, and we do not have the resources or the will to deport them systematically. Donald trump said we are going to move those people out. People have overstayed their visas. We are going to enforce the law of this country and strengthen immigration and Customs Enforcement with more resources and personnel to be able to do that, and then donald trump has made it clear. Once we have done all of those things, then we are going to reform the immigration system that we have in this country. Sen. Kaine i have to gov. Pence that is the order you should do it. Border security, removing criminal aliens, upholding the law, and then, senator, i will work with you. You, we will work to reform the immigration sen. Kaine i look forward to working together in whatever capacity as we serve him. I want to make it clear that he is trying to change with donald trump has said. Donald trump looked everybody in the eye and said that we are building a wall and we are deporting everybody. He said they will all be gone. This is one of these ones where you can go to the tape on it and see what donald trump has said. And to add to it, we are a nation of immigrants. Mike pence and i are both descended from immigrant families. Some things, maybe worth a read about the irish when we came in, but we absorbed, and made our nation stronger. When donald trump said mexicans are rapists and criminals, he said the judge was unqualified to hear a case because his parents were mexican. I cannot imagine how you could defend that. Elaine gentlemen, i would like to shift to the threat of terrorism. Do you think the world today is a safer and more dangerous place than it was eight years ago . Has the terrorist threat increased or decreased. Sen. Kaine it has decreased in some ways because bin laden is dead, because an Iranian Nuclear Weapons Program has been stopped. There is not 175,000 in a dangerous part of the world, only 15,000, that there are other parts of the world that are challenging. To beat terrorism, there is only one candidate who can do it, and it is Hillary Clinton. She was a senator from new york on 9 11, at the World Trade Center when they were searching for victims and survivors. That seared onto her the need she was part of the National Security team that wiped out bin laden. Here is her plan to defeat isil. They have to take out their leaders on the battlefield. She will lead the team that will get the head of isis. We have got to disrupt the financing networks. Third, disrupt their ability to recruit on the internet, in their state havens. Fourth, we also have to work with allies to share intelligence. That is the Hillary Clinton plan. She has the experience to do it. Donald trump cannot start a twitter war with Miss Universe without shooting himself in the foot. He does not have a plan. He said i have a secret plan, and then he said i know more than all the generals about isil, and finally he said i am going to fire all the generals. He does not have a plan. He trash talks the military, john mccain is no hero, the generals need to be fired, i know more than them. He wants to tear up alliances. Nato is obsolete and third, he loves dictators. He has a personal Mount Rushmore of Vladimir Putin, kim jongun, muammar gaddafi, and saddam hussein. And lastly, donald trump believes that the world will be safer if more nations have Nuclear Weapons. He said saudi arabia should get them, japan should get them, and korea should get them. When he was confronted with this and korea should get them. When he was confronted with this, he said go ahead, folks, enjoy yourselves. I would like governor pence to tell us what is so enjoyable work comical about nuclear war. Gov. Pence that had a lot of creative lines in it. Sen. Kaine see if you can defend any of it. Gov. Pence i can make it clear to the American People, after traveling millions of miles as our secretary of state after being the architect of the Foreign Policy of this administration, america is less safe today that it was the day that barack obama became president of the United States. It is absolutely inarguable. He weakened americas place in the world. It is a lack of leadership. I will give you that. I was in washington, d. C. On 9 11. I saw the clouds of smoke rise from the pentagon. Sen. Kaine i was in virginia. Gov. Pence i know you were. We lived through that day as a nation. It was heartbreaking. I want to give this president , for bringing Osama Bin Laden to justice, but the truth is, he led al qaeda. The primary threat today is isis. Because Hillary Clinton failed to renegotiate a forces agreement that would have allowed some american combat troops to remain in iraq and secure the hardfought gains of the that the american soldier has won, isis was able to be literally conjured up out of the desert and it has overrun vast areas. My heart breaks for the likes of corporal lebowski. He fought hard, threw some of through some of the most difficult days of Operation Iraqi freedom, and paid the ultimate sacrifice to defend our freedom and secure the nation. That nation was secured in 2009. Because Hillary Clinton and barack obama failed to provide a status of forces agreement and leave sufficient forces, we are back at war. The president has just ordered more troops on the ground. We are back at war in iraq and i tell heriis were never going to forget her son. The sacrifices he made for squandered in iraq because this administration created a vacuum in which isis was able to grow. The deal that clinton initiated, 150 billion sen. Kaine without firing a shot. Gov. Pence it did not stop the nuclear program. Sen. Kaine yes, it did. Gov. Pence it guaranteed that iran someday would become a nuclear power. Elaine mr. Trump has proposed immigrantsting of parts of the world that have terrorism. That does not address many of the recent terrorist attacks in the United States such as the orlando nightclub massacre. Those were homegrown. What specific tools would you use to prevent those kinds of attacks . Gov. Pence i think it is a great question, elaine. It really does begin with us reforming our immigration system and putting the interest, particularly in the safety and security of the American People, first. Donald trump once extreme vetting for people coming in. Donald trump and i are committed to suspending the Syrian Refugee Program and programs and programs in immigration around the world that have been copper mice by terrorism. Hillary clinton want to increase it. Clinton wants to expand it. Sen. Kaine as opposed to violating the constitution by blocking people from coming in based on their National Origin whether or not they are dangerous. We have different views on refugee issues and immigration. Hillary and i want to do enforcement based on our people are people dangerous . These guys say all mexicans are bad. With respect to refugees, we want to keep people out of they if they are dangerous. Donald trump said keep them out if they are muslim. Yesterday an Appellate Court , with three public and judges struck down a pence plan and said it was discriminatory. We should focus on danger, not dissemination. Gov. Pence there is not that isis just infiltrated the United States. Germany just arrested three syrian refugees. Sen. Kaine they told you there is a right way and a wrong way to do it. Gov. Pence if youre going to be critical of me, that is fair game. Syriantell you after two were involved in the attack in paris that is called paris 9 11, you bet i suspended that program. I stand by that decision. If i am Vice President , were going to put the safety of the American People first. Sen. Kaine hillary and i will do Immigration Enforcement and vet refugees based on whether they are dangerous or not, not discriminating based on which country you come from or religion. Gov. Pence the director of the fbi said we cannot know for certain who these people coming are. Sen. Kaine if we do not know, we do not let them in. Gov. Pence if the fbi and Homeland Security said we cannot know for certain, you have got to err on the side of the safety of the American People. Sen. Kaine by trashing all muslims . Elaine secretary clinton has talked about an intelligence search. What would that look like and how would that help identify terrorists with no operational connection to a Foreign Terrorist Organization . Sen. Kaine it is your mike lee first of all my it is two things. Expanding our intelligence positives by hiring professionals, but also, we have got some of the best intel and cyber employees. It involves increasing our own force, but striking great partnerships with some of our cyber and intel experts in the private sector so that we can be consistent with constitutional principles, gather more intelligence. The second piece of this is really important. It also means making stronger alliances. Because you gather intelligence and then you share intelligence back and forth with allies, and that is how you find out who may be trying to recruit, who may be trying to come from one country to the next. Alliances are critical. That is why Donald Trumps claim theynato is obsolete and we need to get rid of nato look, if you push aside your alliances, who are you going to share intelligence with . Hillary clinton is a secretary of state who knows how to build alliances. That is what an intelligence surge means, better skill and capacity but a better alliance. Would like to talk about the tragedy in syria. Gov. Pence i would like to talk about the surge. Elaine you have 30 seconds. Gov. Pence donald trump just spoke about the issue this week. Cyber warfare is a new warfare. The asymmetrical enemies we face in this country, and i look forward if i am privileged to be in this role of working with you in the senate, to make sure we resource that effort. We have an intelligence surge. I will also tell you that its important in this moment to remember that Hillary Clinton had a private server in her home that had classified information on it about drone strikes, emails from the president of the United States of america were on there, her private server was subject to being hacked by 4 securityo put cyber first. Elaine i would like to ask you about syria. You have had a minute. Sen. Kaine the investigation concluded that not one reasonable prosecutor would take any additional steps. You do not get to decide that the rights and wrongs of this. We have a Justice System that does that. A republican fbi Director Director did an investigation and concluded that no reasonable prosecutor would continue. Elaine we are moving on now. Siege0 children are under in aleppo. Does the u. S. Have a responsibility to protect civilians and prevent mass casualties on this scale . Governor pence . Gov. Pence the United States of America Needs to begin to exercise strong leadership to protect the vulnerable citizens in over 100,000 children in aleppo. Hillary clintons top priority when she became secretary of state was the russian reset. After the russian reset, the russians invaded ukraine and took over crimea. The small and bullying the leader of russia is now dictating terms to the United States to the point where all the United States of america, the greatest nation on earth, just withdraws from talk about a ceasefire while that a mere putin puts a Missile Defense in syria while he marshaled the forces and begins look, we have got to lean into this with strong, broad shouldered American Leadership that begins by rebuilding our military. The russians and chinese have been making enormous investments in the military. We have the Smallest Navy since 1916. We have the lowest number of troops since the second world war. We have got to work with the congress and donald trump to rebuild our military and project american strength in the world. But about aleppo and syria, i truly do believe that what america ought to do is immediately establish safe zones so families with children can move out of those areas, work with our arab partners realtime, right now to make that happen. Secondly, i have to tell you, the provocations by russia need to be met with american strength. If russia chooses to be involved and continued to be involved in this barbaric attack on civilians in aleppo, the united should be able to use military force against the assad regime. Theres a range of other things we have to do as well. Should deploy a military defense shield. Elaine your commands are up. Hillary has the ability to stand up to russia. Donald trump again and again has praise Vladimir Putin and it is clear he has business with putin. Be Campaign Team had to fired because of those shadowy connections. Governor pence made the odd claim. Said putin is a better leader than president obama. If you dont know the difference between dictatorship and leadership, you have to go back to civics class. Donald trump is avoiding paying taxes. Those years included the years of 9 11. Clinton andlary Donald Trumps hometown was attacked by the worst terrorist attack in the United States. Young men and women signed up in the military to fight terrorism. Hillary clinton went to washington. Fighting ap was different fight. E would not support troops when a guy running for president troops, support veterans. Governor pence, you had mentioned no fly zones. How would you keep it safe . Governor pence supports our donald trump supports our troops. What we are dealing with it. There is an old proverb that the russian bear hibernates. Awakened andhas aggression in russia. Moving into we just need american strength. Theeed to marshaled research of our allies and act now to get people to get out of harms way. Be tones would have to United States of America Needs to be prepared to work with allies in the region to create a safe passage and protect people in those areas. Ive served on the Foreign Affairs committee for a decade. Soldierat the american won iraqi freedom. Senator kaine he does not want thecknowledge that we stop Iranian Nuclear program. Let me tell you what we are Donald Trumps idea that more countries should get Nuclear Weapons. Ronald reagan said something about that in the 1980s. He said that the problem with is thatproliferation maniac could trigger governor pence that is pretty low. Senator kaine, do you think more Nuclear Weapons will make us safer . Pence Ronald Reagan shouldid a nuclear war never be fought because it can never be one. He keeps saying that Hillary Clinton who started to deal with the iranians prevented iran from getting Nuclear Weapons. I know you boycotted Prime Minister netanyahus speech. This socalled iran deal did was guarantee. When i was in congress i thought of a bipartisan basis. To move forward the toughest sanctions in the history of the United States. We were bringing them to heal. Only was we would 1. 7 billion in a ransom payment. Senator kaine six times i have said you cannot defend your running mates position and in all cases he has refused to defend. Yet, he is asking everybody to vote for somebody that he cannot defend. Elaine lets talk about russia. But imprudent invaded ukraine and has provided crucial military support to the aside aside asid assad regime. Kaine Hillary Clinton has gone toe to toe with russia. She has had the experience doing it. She went toe to toe with russia and launched protests when they went into georgia. Punishing economic sanctions on russia that we need to continue. I will trump did not know that the russians had invaded crimea area. Hillary clinton has gone toe to toe with russia. Youve got to have the ability to do that. On the other hand, you have donald who praises trump. They should wonder when donald trump this sitting down with but of a prudent, is a going to be americas bottom line or Donald Trumps bottom line . This could be solved if donald trump would be willing to release his tax returns. Every president since Richard Nixon has done it. Elaine senator, your time is up. Governor pence just trying to keep up with the insult driven campaign. Most of what you said is completely false and the American People know it. This is the alternative universe of washington, d. C. Versus reality. Hillary clinton said her number one priority is a reset with russia. Primera r the crimea area crimea peninsula. You have primera crimea an increase of influence in iran. The leading state sponsor of terror in the world in iran now has a closer working relationship with russia because of Hillary Clinton in Barack Obamas Foreign Policy. And Barack Obamas Foreign Policy. You just asked a very thoughtful question. Isis is headquartered in rocca. Yet, senator kaine still sits here in saying that the Foreign Policy of pillar clinton and barack obama made the world more secure. T is astonishing for my dollars in cash in ransom payment. Elaine donald trump says putin has no respect for hill clinton or obama. Why do you think he will respect trump . Pence america is stronger than russia. Our economy is 16 times stronger. The bowling leader of russia has been stronger on the world stage then russia. That is an indictment of the leadership of pillar clinton and barack obama. Kaine governor pence said in our delete that r putin thanbetter leader president obama. If you mistake leadership with dictatorship and he cant tell those could be disclosed with tax returns. Americans need to worry about whether donald trump will be watching out for americas bottom line or Donald Trumps bottom line. Elaine what was wrong with what he said . Putin. Kaine vladimir anyone who thinks otherwise is not know russian history or Vladimir Putin. John mccain says he looks in his eyes and sees kgb. We do have to deal with russia in a lot of different ways. There are areas we can cooperate. Thats pillar clinton worked with russia to get them engaged in a community of nations to stop the Iranian Nuclear Weapons Program. She knows how to sit down at a table and negotiate deals. This is a challenging part of. He world elaine north korea conducted its fifth and most powerful test. What steps will you take to prevent north korea from developing a missile capable of reaching the United States . Governor pence first the need to make a commitment to rebuild our military. We also need an effective. Merican diplomacy it has to remain a policy of the United States. When donald trump is president of the United States, we are not going to have the kind of posture in the world that has russia invading crimea and ukraine. That has literally the world including north korea flouting power. I have to tell you, i get it. But Hillary Clinton and her husband set up a foundation. While she was secretary of state, the Clinton Foundation except did millions of dollars from foreign powers in foreign donors. This is basic step. Foreign powers in the government cannot participate in the process. They cannot make contributions but the clintons found out a way to create a foundation where foreign donors could donate millions of dollars and then we found inks to the good work of the associated trust that more was given to major donors of the Clinton Foundation. You talk about all of these rumors, usd trustworthy question that the beginning they are looking at the pay to play politics she clinton with the foundation with her private server. They are saying enough is enough. On the audition. I am glad to talk about the foundation. The Clinton Foundation is one of the highest rated foundations in the world. It helps americans deal with opioid overdoses. It gets higher rankings for its charity than the clinton dation then the the state department did an investigation and they found everything Hillary Clinton dead as secretary of eight was completely in the interest of the United States. Hillary clinton as secretary of date acted in the interest of the United States. Lets compare this with the tramp or commit prop organization lets compare this with the Top Organization organization worthy trumpthy or the foundation. In addition, donald trump has a foundation. The foundation was just fine for it illegally donating to a lord of attorney general. They made an illegal contribution and tried to hide it. Witherson they donated it was the person charged with investigating trump university. This is the different between a foundation that does good work and somebody who is conflicted doing work around the world and will not share with the public. I want to remind you both this is about to north korea. Gov. Pence less than 10 has gone to Charitable Organization of the clinton audition. . 10 on the dollar. It has been a platform for the buttons to travel the world honestly senator, we would know a lot more about it if Hillary Clinton would just hand over the 33,000 emails she refuses to in her private server. Had intelligence that south korea was about to launch an armed missile to the United States, would you take preemptive action . Takee president has to action. Exactly what action, you would have to determine what the intelligence was, how certain you were. You asked the question, how do we deal with north korea . I am on the Foreign Relations committee. Interestingly enough, elaine, often china will use their veto in the Security Council to veto eight security wreckage like that. They are starting to get worried, too. A actually vetoed a package even though a lot are against chinese financial institutions. Thoseis another one of relationships where it is competitive, challenging, and we have to be able to cooperate. Hillary understands that very well. She went once famously to a meeting and said womens rights are human rights. They did not want her to say that but she did. She has also worked on important diplomatic deals with china. About 650p owes million to banks including the bank of china. I dont think he could stand up quite so tough to the people who have lent him money. You have both been open to the role faith has played in your light. Can you detail a time when you struggled with your personal faith and the policy . My mom and dad are sitting right here. I was educated by jesuits. Jesuitd with missionaries in honduras. Nearly 35 years ago. They were the heroes of my life. Religion inctice my a developed way and follow the teachings of my church in my personal life and i do not believe in this nation where we overt raise any religion another and allow people to worship as they please. Of onee doctrines religion should be mandated for everyone. A struggle was Catholic Church against the Death Penalty and saw my but i was governor of the state and the state law says there was adept penalty for crimes if the jury finds them to be heinous. When i was running for governor i was attack strongly because of my position on the Death Penalty. I look them in the eye and said look, this is my religion. I am not going to change my religious practice to get one vote. But i know how to uphold the law. I was elected in i did. It is difficult to allow executions to go forward been in circumstances where i did not feel like there was a case for clemency i told virginia voters i would uphold the law and i did. That was a real struggle but i think it was important that those of us with faith do not feel like we can substitute our views for everybodys regardless of their views. Governor pence. Gov. Pence it is a wonderful question. My Christian Faith is at the heart of who i am. Wonderful raised in a family of faith. Church on sunday morning and grace report dinner. My Christian Faith became real for me when i made a decision for christ when i was a freshman in college. Out every let that day. With my wife and son. We found the calling to public service. We try to keep faith and values that we cherish. And with regard to when i struggle, i appreciate and i have a great deal of respect for senator kaines sincere faith, i truly do. Thator me, i will tell you were me the sanctity of life proceeds out of the leave, the ancient principle that where god [indistinct] i felt to stand for the sanctity of life. Indiana has said they seek for nonabortion alternatives to be available. Also, indiana is one of the most proadoption states. If youre going to be prolife, you should be proadoption. Understand that Hillary Clinton, now with tim kaine at her side is to support a practice like partialbirth abortion. I know, senator kaine, you hold prolife personally but the very idea that a child is almost worn into the world and can still have their life taken from them, i cannot conscience about a party that supports that or i know you have historically opposed taxpayer funding of abortion but Hillary Clinton wants to repeal the longstanding provision in the law where we said we would not use taxpayer dollars to fund abortion. So for me, my faith informs my life. I try to spend a little time on my knees every day. Cherishing then dignity, the worth, the value of every human life. Sen. Kaine hillarys methodist background was formative for her as a Public Servant. But we feel that you should live fully and with enthusiasm the role of your faith but it is not the role of the Public Servant to mandate that choice. Lets talk about choice. Versus wade. E we support the constitutional right of american women to can salt their own conscience to consult their own conscious conscience, their own partner, their own minister. Then they make their own decision. We trust american women to do that. We do not think women should be punished as donald trump said they should when they make the decision to have an abortion. Repealr pence wants to roe versus wade, once to put it on the sheep of history. There are some and people in the audience who were not even born when that was the sided. States could pass criminal laws to do just that, to punish women if they made the choice to terminate a pregnancy. Live youru should moral values, but the very last thing the government should do is have laws that would punish women who make reproductive choices. And that is the fundamental difference between a clinton king ticket and a trappence ticket. Nhr clinton came to get hence ticket. Clintonkaine ticket and a trumppence ticket. A great line. When donald trump says women should be punished, mexicans are johnts and criminals, it mccain is not a hero, he is showing you who he is. Gov. Pence you whipped out that again. There are people coming into this country illegally perpetrating islands. Also said, many of them are good people. You keep leaving that out of your quote. If you want me to go there, i will go there. I could not be more proud to be standing with donald trump who was standing or the right to life. It is a principle that senator kaine, and i am very gentle about this because i really do respect you. It is a principle you embrace and i appreciate the fact you supported banning the use of taxpayer money in the past. That is not Hillary Clintons view. People need to understand we can come together as a nation. E can create a culture of life more and more young people are embracing life as we know we are better for it. Like Mother Teresa said at that famous National Prayer breakfast, bring the children into our world. There are so many families who cannot have children. Who cannot have children can adopt dont you trust why dont you trust women, why doesnt Donald Trump Trust women to make this decision for themselves . We should be living with enthusiasm and excite, dialoguing with each other about important moral issues of the ont on under fundamental issues of morality, we should let women make their own choices. Gov. Pence society is judged on how they treat the most vulnerable. I could not be prodded to be standing with donald trump. If your ticket wins, what specifically will you do to reassure the people who voted against you and uniform your country. Sen. Kaine donald trump is running a campaign that has been about one insult after the next. But we do have to bring the country together. So here is what will do. I served in the senate. I am amazed, elaine, as i talked to republican senators how well they regard and respect Hillary Clinton. She was on the Armed Services committee. She worked across the aisle which was first lady to get the chip program past so that children have health Care Coverage. She worked across the aisle to thehealth Care Coverage for First Responders who went into the towers and the pentagon. She worked to get care for National Guard members including hoosiers. She has a track record of working across the aisle to make things happen. I have the same track record, elaine. I was the governor of virginia with two different houses. I have worked in relationships across the aisle because i think it is fine to be a democrat or republican or independent but after election day, we work together. Hillary clinton has a track record that will allow her to do just that. Governor, how will you unify the country . Gov. Pence thank you, ealing and thank you, senator. It is a very challenging time in the life of our nation. The relationship with america and the rest of the world and it has been followed by an economy that is truly struggling commerce rifle by an avalanche of regulation. Obamacare, the war on coal, the trade deals that what American Workers in the backseat. We can bring america together is to change in washington, d. C. I served in washington, d. C. , for 12 years in the congress of the United States and i served with Many Democrats and republicans, men and women of good will. But the potential is there to change the direction of this country but it is going to take leadership to do it. The American People want to see our nation standing tall on the world stage again. They want to see it supporting our military, rebuilding the military, command the respect of the world and they want to see the American Economy off to the races again. They want to see an american comeback. And Donald Trumps entire crew has been about building. Going through hardship. And finding a way through smarts and ingenuity and resilience to get through. When he becomes president the United States will have a stronger america. When you hear him say he wants to make America Great again, when we do that, i truly do believe the American People will be standing tall. They will see that real change can happen after years of talking about it. Decades. We will stand tall, stand together, and we will have the kind of unity that has been missing for way too long. Elaine gentlemen, thank you so much. This concludes the Vice President ial debate. My thanks to the candidates, the commission, interview for watching. Please tune in sunday for the second president ial debate at Washington University in st. Louis and the final debate at the university of nevada las vegas. Good night. [applause] [indiscernible conversation] [indiscernible conversation] [inaudible conversations] [indiscernible conversations]