. Oopholes what are the possibilities . Theseople know about important issues to them before they go to the polls so they can make informed decisions. Muche reason i like you so when congress is not out is because you have greater historical and International Programming on your station. Whatntinue to let us know you think about our programs. Call us at the number on this gray more order email comments tocspan. Org or send it we cspan comments. Like us on facebook, follow us on twitter. Miliband speaks. Of some of a preview the cases before the Supreme Court in the upcoming term. At his annual labor , add miliband commented on the overnight airstrikes in syria. He said he supported president obamas decision. He outlined the priorities of his partys agenda leading into the 2015 election. This is about one hour and 20 minutes. Please welcome the leader of the labour party, ed miliband. [applause] thank you so much for that incredibly kind welcome. I want to start by talking about Somebody Just down the road from here. Thats alan henning, a british hostage taken by isil. His wife, barbara henning, made an incredibly moving appeal for his release just over the weekend. You know, alan henning is simply an aid worker trying to make life better for victims of conflict. I think it should tell us all we need to know about isil and their murderous ways that they take a decent british man like alan henning hostage. And its not just british people that they are targeting; it is people of all nationalities and all religions. Thats why we supported a coalition, not simply based on military action but a coalition based on humanitarian, political and diplomatic action to counter the threat of isil. Now this week, the president of the United States and the british Prime Minister are both at the United Nations. We support the overnight action against isil, what needs to happen now is that the un needs to play its part. A Un Security Council resolution to win the International Support to counter that threat of isil. [applause] friends, this country will never turn our back on the world and will never turn our back on the principles of internationalism. [applause] and those values are reflected not just in our country but in this party, in this hall and in this great city of manchester. [applause] friends, it is great to be with you in manchester. A fantastic city. A city with a great Labour Council leading the way. And a city that after this years local elections, is not just a toryfree zone but a liberal democrat free zone as well. [applause] now manchester has special memories for me because it was four years ago that i was elected your leader, here in manchester. Four years on i feel wiser. I feel older. I feel much older, actually. [laughter] but hang on a minute, some of you look quite a lot older as well. At least ive got an excuse. But i am prouder than ever to be the leader of your party and i thank you for your support. [applause] but for our country, too. Nearly broke up, a aparty that nearly splits is not a country in good health. By thanking all of labour Team Scotland for the played in keeping our country together. Thank them all. Garwin,rown, alistair carron, douglas alexander. All, ladies them and gentlemen, because they helped save our country and i want to say to the people of scotland directly, this you overrty will show the coming years, you made the right choice, because we are together. [applause] now, heres the thing. Of us, all political leaders, all of us in this hall a responsibility to try and votedn why 45 of people yes, 45 of people wanted to break up our country. And weve got to explain why the feeling we saw in scotland is is just in scotland but reflected across the country. My story saw six days from the end of the referendum campaign. A publicmy way to meeting. I was late, as politicians tend to be. The meeting. Ide i met a woman and i was supposed the meeting but i wanted to stop and ask her how she was voting. I did that to everybody on the street. One vote at a time. Are youid to her, how voting . She said i havent decided yet. Wased out her name josephine. She worked as a cleaner in the building. I asked what the company was like that she worked for. She said the company was decent but the wages were rubbish. She hasnt decided because life was so incredibly tough for her. Leave but shet to thought it might be the best thing to do. How josephinenow voted in the referendum but i do know the question she was asking is anyone going to make life better for me and my family . And heres the thing. Isnt just josephines question. Its the question people are asking right across britain. Is anyone going to build a better life for the working country . Our that wasnt just the referendum question. Is the general election question. [applause] not talking about the powerful and the privileged, those who do well whatever the weather. About families like yours who are treading water, justng harder and harder to stay afloat. For labour, this election is about you. Sacrifices. The youve taken home lower wages year after year. Taxes. Paid higher youve seen your Energy Bills Rise and your n. H. S. Decline. You know this country doesnt work. Can build a that we Better Future for you and your family and this speech is about labours plan to do it. Labours plan for britains future. [applause] so what do we need to have that future . The we got to understand what people are saying to us right across the United Kingdom. Our country there is a silent majority who wanted endure but are telling us that things must change and they come from every walk of life. Theres a young woman who works where iar why live. She lives at the opposite end of from josephine. Shes separated by at least a generation but they share a common experience. Go touldnt afford to college so she got a job in the nearby washing dishes. Shes worked incredibly hard and worked her way up to be one of chefs but like josephine, ziamara is incredibly tough. By the way, she thinks politics is rubbish. Not pretend we dont hear that a lot on the door step. See in politics . She sees grift. She doesnt think we can solve her problems and weve got to prove her wrong and its not just that people like her and struggling with the troubles of today. Importantmething more about our country. People have lost faith in the future. The other day was in the park, i was trying to work on my speech, wasnt it or not and i getting anywhere so i went to the park and there were two young women who were in the park they seemed excited to see me and they came over. Dont laugh at me. [laughter] and one of them actually said, so it is true, you do meet famous people in this park. The other one said, yeah, it is, and then first one said, no fornse, we were hoping Benedict Cumberbatch. But anyway, anyway, one of them said something which really stuck with me. Said, mythis, she generation is falling into a hole and she said about her parents generation, theyve now theresod and nothing left for us. She wasnt just speaking for herself. Of was speaking for millions people across our country, millions of people whove lost like in the country, gareth high up in a Software Company. Daughter, 5yearold hes earning a decent wage. Homent afford to buy a for himself and his family. Hes priced out by the richest. He thinks unless youre one of the privileged view in britain, for youtry wont work and your kids will have a worse life than you and so many people, friends, across our country, feel this way. They feel the country doesnt work for them. Lost that faith in the future. To restoresk is peoples faith in the future. Not by breaking up our country, but by breaking with the old way of doing things, by breaking the past. Im not talking about a a differentlicy or program. Im talking about something much bigger. Im talking about a different a different ethic for the way our country succeeds. The sound andll fury in england, scotland, wales, across the United Kingdom, what people are actually saying to us is this country doesnt care about me. Our politics doesnt listen. Our economy doesnt work. And theyre not wrong. Theyre right. And this labour party is going put it right [applause] that, weve, to do got to go back to the very foundation of who we are and how run things. We just cant carry on with the belief, but we can succeed as a country with a tiny minority at the top doing well. Prosperity in one part of britain amongst a small elite, a most, blind too the concerns of people, sending the message to everyone but a on your own. Think about it for a minute. Workingconomy, its people who are made to bear the anxiety, precariousness and insecurity. Told, youre on your own. So many young people who dont have the privileges think their theirill be worse than parents. Theyve been told, youre on your own. So many Small Businesses are struggling against forces more powerful than themselves. Theyve been told, youre on your own. And the most vulnerable are being thrown on the scrap heap, cast aside, not listened to, even when they have a case. Theyve been told, youre on your own. And to cap it all in our haveics, its a few who the access when everyone else is told, out, theyve been youre on your own. No wonder people have lost faith in the future. People voted many to break up our country. Any wonder . The deck is stacked. Of game is rigged in favor those who have all the power. Friends, in eight months time, going to call time on this way of running the country, your own re on because youre on your own it doesntk for you, work for your family, it doesnt for britain. [applause] we build a different future for our country . Of course we can. Idea fora different how we succeed. An idea that, in the end, won referendum, an idea i love, because it says so much about who we have it in ourselves to become, an idea partys character an in our countrys history, idea that built our greatest institutions and got us through darkest moments, an idea simple word e together. Together, we can restore faith in the future. Together, we can build a Better Future for the working people of britain. Rebuild, we can britain. Friends, together, we can [applause] together says its not just a powerful few at the top whose but thehould be heard voices of everyone. Together says its not just a few wealthy people that create our country, its every working person. Together says we just cant a country with the talents of a few. Weve got to use the talents of all. Together says that we cant have some people breaking the rules, everybodys got to play under the same rule. Ad together says that we have duty to look after each other when times are hard. Together, the way we restore faith in the future. Forther, a different idea britain. [applause] now, you might be thinking, this sounds like a pretty big changing the way our countrys run, a totally idea. Ent thats quite a big task. Is it really going to be possible . Can we do it . I mean, in the 21st century, is going backwards . Well, it isnt. And the reason it isnt is idea is everywhere around us to see in every walk of life. The inspiration is everywhere, way of doingt things. Early on i mentioned gareth who Software Company whos worried about his daughter and worried about the future. Meet him. Ust i met his colleagues, as well. Company isftware full of bright, savvy young enthusiasml of great but it doesnt about getting to the top. Individualout each on their own. Every person at that company said the same thing, you need to the talents of every single person, not just the Software Engineers but the customer service. Not just the developers, but those who manage the accounts. Great businesses across our country and theyll say the same thing to you. Ethic of the 21st century in business. Entrepreneurs. Britain needs great greatesteurs but the entrepreneurs recognize that theyre only as strong as their team. And its not just true in business. Work are people here who in our Brilliant National health our Brilliant National health service, friends. [applause] earlier this year, i spent a lot hospital inn n. H. S. Watford. I wanted to go there to see how things looked from the front line. Mainly i got in the way, really, but thats what politicians tend to do. Remember one evening at 9 00 from i was watching nurses different backgrounds, different walks of life, all coming together. Incredibly moved. I was incredibly inspired by the team work. Proud of our National Health service. [applause] go toany great hospital, any great school, its the team that makes it strong, and then about our brilliant armed forces and let us pay tribute to them today, friends. [applause] heroic troops serving our country in the most dangerous places. Talk to any of them and theyll team and the team that makes it strong. So its true of business. Of Public Service. Its true of our armed forces. Ofs true in so many walks life. You see, its the ethic of the hierarchy,y with order, planning, control, the few. Ts of a the ethic of the 21st century is cooperation. Part,ody playing their sharing the rewards, the talent together. Friends, it is time we ran the bentry like we know it can run. [applause] now heres a question for you. Challenge is to run the country on this principle of thether, can the tories be answer . Answer . Tories be the [crowd says no] thats better. Bestse if you want the example of youre on your own, rig the system for the powerful throwback dog inma, dogma. St look at this if youre a low paid worker struggling to make ends meet, for longering harder for less and youre on your own. If youre a family in the middle, you feel like youre just treading water, and youre on your own. If youre on a zero hour getting up at 5 00 a. M. Every morning to find out whether youve got work, theyll how an economys succeeds, and youre on your own. The peoplene of whos worried about the railway company, the payday lender, theyre not going to do anything own. Lp you, youre on your if youre one of the nine Million People who rent your sector,the private theyre certainly not going to do anything for you, theyre going to tell you youre on your own. And why . Because they say intervening would be like venezuela. They say. T you see, they say they dont believe in government intervention. Really . Of course they do. Youre a millionaire who wants a tax cut, theyre certainly going to intervene to you. Rt youre not going to be on your own. If youre a banker whos worried well its goods, news for you because George Osborne is going to go all the europe to fight tooth and nail to try and protect it. You certainly wont be on your own. An Energy Company whose prices and profits are soaring, good news again. Youve got a Prime Minister who will be your own p. R. Man. Your own. Be on [applause] way, if youre a conservative supporting, gold owning,luxury hotel olig Award Winning russian ark and youve got 160,000 pounds to spare to bid at an auction, you wont be on your the tennis be on court playing doubles with David Cameron. That tells you all you need to know about this government. [applause] electionhe kind of campaign theyre going to fight. The next nine months, David Cameron is going to want to talk hes about the past and not going to want to talk much about the present and the future. Why . The britisho tell public that none of the problems in our country are anything to do with him. Hes done a really outstanding, tremendous job and he really deserves a lot of and thanks for it. Youve done a great job. Have nothing to do with him. And if you just hang on until election,general things are about to turn the family. Or your now, the british people will have to be the judge of this but tohink there are some things bear in mind. The record of this government, mediocre. Snt just it is one of the worst ever. [applause] the longest fall in Living Standard since 1870. Slower than prices of 51 months. For your family, five years of five years oft, sacrifice, zero years of success. Now, you might think that david right and things are about to turn around for you and your family. As i say, the british people will have to be the judge of this. But isnt there a second, more plausible explanation for their record. A tory economy is always an economy for the few because thats who they care about, thats the basis on which they a country succeeds, and so government isthis a good guide to the future. Family worse off. You cant afford to take that risk. British people cant afford another five years of David Cameron. [applause] an idea for our Prime Minister. He likes the surfing. He likes playing that game, angry birds. Thehe likes tennis with oligarch. Ive got a great idea. Why dont we give him all the in the world to do all may. Things come next [applause] to us. We have to build a future for you and your family. Fors what labours plan britains future is all about. And today i want to lay out six National Goals, not just for one office or even for one plan for the next 10 years. One of me as day Prime Minister, this is the plan and these are the goals i want us to pursue. Ask, why 10 years . Ill tell you one of the reasons. People are fed up with politicians who come along and me, on day one, everything will be transformed. Friends, the british people wont believe it. Doing an itall dick clade. Dick clade broke that promise on tuition fees, he didnt just destroy trust in the liberal democrat. He did something else. Trust in politics. Every time a promise is broken, a promise is made, every time we say vote for us and tomorrow everything will be totally different, people get and more cynical, people get more and more turned off, people think politics is more a game and all were in ourselves. Thats why i planned for the that10 years, not a plan says nothing changes but a route country, a route map for people like gareth i talked about earlier, for the young who wanted to see Benedict Cumberbatch and ended up with me my generation is falling into a black hole, i want to know theres a future for me. Thats what this plan is about. Our plan starts with rewarding hard work once again because thats what weve got to do as a country. In five of the men and women who go out to work in our country do their bit, make their put in the hours, and find themselves in low pay. Britains tradition, with labours tradition, that should all, friends. Thatirst National Goal is people inhe number of low pay by 2025, transforming the lives of two Million People in our country. Of together says we dont just use the talents of all, we reward the talents of the minimum wage has to a route to bringing up your family with dignity so we will wage by onenimum pound 50 an hour by 2025, to over eight pounds an hour, a wage of more than 3,000 pounds a year. The tories are the party of and privilege. Labour is the party of hard work, fairly paid. Payits not just the low but its all working people who should have their talent rewarded. So our second National Goal is that all working people should fairly in the growing wealth of the country. That means as the economy grows, everyday working people grow at the same rate. You know whats amazing, friends, is that that statement, that goal, is even controversial. It used to be taken for granted in our country thats that what would happen. Thats why the cost of living crisis, which the tories dont understand, is all about. Counter it, you need a government with a singular focus tackling it and key to this is transforming our economy so jobs at decent wages and that requires a Massive National effort. Together,ple of everybody playing their part. Means nonment, it vested interest, no old mindsety, no stale should stand in the way of this basic bargain of britain. It means reforming our bank, breaking up the big bank. So that we have the competition need in our banking system. Ofmeans getting power out white hall. We are a far too centralized country. Its time we did something about it. Its time we transferred power out of white hall to our soinesses, towns and cities, that they can create the jobs, the wealth that they need. [applause] its about businesses and trade unions engaging in cooperation, confrontation, and its also about something else, friends, for this party. Historic value to fight for those on the front line of the modern work force. Talking about a group of people that we in the labour party havent talked about that aboutnd we need to talk them a lot more. The growing army of our selfemployed. Five Million People in our country, often the most entrepreneurial, gogetting have ain britain, who hard, insecure life very often. See, because of the jobs they do, two out of three dont have a pension. One in five cant get a mortgage. They dont want special treatment. Fair shot. Ant a so the task of this labour party this 21st century modern discrimination and it is deliver equal rights for the selfemployed in britain. [applause] i said earlier that we need to wages good jobs at decent to transform our economy, those jobs of the future. So our third National Goal is that by 2025 britain becomes world leader in the Green Economy creating one million new jobs as we do. Under this government, were falling behind germany, japan, states, even india to china, when it comes Green Technology and services and there are so many brilliant are desperate to do their bit but governments not playing its part. We will. Plan, and this is what were going to do. Were going to commit to taking carbon out of electricity by 2030. Were going to have a green with power tok borrow and attract new as Carolyn Flint will announce tomorrow, we will and resources to community so we can insulate homes over the next 10 years. [applause] thatnvironment isnt fashionable anymore in politics withu may have noticed David Cameron, but it matters. Its incredibly important for our economy. And there is no more important issue for me when i think about childrens generation and what i can do in politics than Global Climate change. [applause] a plan for job, we wages. Plan for we need a plan that is actually going to help the working families of our country. At the heart of our plan for our country and for your family is of ourfuture for all young people. I met somebody called elizabeth the other day. Where is she . Shes here. Standeth, why dont you up for one second. Elizabeth is an apprentice. [applause] elizabeth is an apprentice. Electrician. I think its fair to say that what up toaking into now has been pretty much a mans world. Yes. Another round of applause for her and the great job shes doing. [applause] shes one of the lucky few, friends, shes one of the lucky few. Elizabeths school i met her yesterday Elizabeths School her to get an apprenticeship. Lots of young people say my school said apprenticeships are they wouldnt help me but im doing it and its great for me but frankly there of them so our fourth National Goal is that by 2025 as many young people will leaving school or college to go on to an apprenticeship as university. To [applause] now, ive got to tell you, this is an absolutely huge undertaking. We are such a long way away from this as a country. Going to require a Massive National effort. Its going to require young the ambition to do well and to get on. Its going to require schools to change inmatic education with new Gold Standard technical qualifications and going to need business and government to lead a resolution in apprenticeships. Government is very good about preaching to business about what it should be doing. Let me just tell you, government is absolutely useless when it apprenticeships and its true of governments of both parties. Look at other countries like do a fantastic job of giving apprenticeships to the next generation. Country do that in this so first were going to tackle the failure by government. To businessto say that youve got to play your part. If you want to bring in a worker outside the european union, thats ok, but you must provide the nexteships to generation. [applause] you see, we cant have whats happening at the moment in i. T. Where you have more and more numbercoming in but the of apprenticeships falling in i. T. We are also going to tell businesses were going to give you control of the money for apprenticeships for the first time but in exchange if you want a major government contract, you must provide apprenticeships to our young people. [applause] wages, forjobs, for education, but what is it, what things that give us confidence and security in life . Its the love of people we care decent workits properly rewarded, but its also the confidence and security of your own and so many people dont have that today, that very british dream ownership is fading for so many people. Werethis government, building fewer homes than at any 1920s. Ce the so our fifth National Goal is that by 2025 for the first time years this country will be as weng as many homes need, doubling the number of firsttime buyers in our country. [applause] require agoing to Massive National effort, a Massive National effort. Developerst large sit on land. Well say to Small Developers and Construction Companies that homeshelp them to build again in our country. Well build a new generation of ands, garden cities, suburbs creating over half a million new homes. Well also make housing the top priority for Additional Capital investment in the next parliament. This party will get britain again. G [applause] your family, also needs Public Services you can education, policing, transport. And nowhere is that more true than our National Health service. I mentioned earlier on that i spent a couple of days at a hospital in watford earlier on year. While i was there, i met an colin in hisalled 80s who sadly died a few weeks later, but i will always withber my conversations him. You see, he remembered the n. H. S. Ion of the he remembered what life was like the National Health service. Me,i remember him saying to ed, the problem then was you were on your own, on your own pay for medical treatment. Friends, we are so proud of our health service. And i know my duty to colin and british people. It is to make sure our n. H. S. Is it. E when we need [applause] so our sixth National Goal is truly worldte a class 21st Century Health and care service because a hospital only as good as the services in the community. You see, thats the biggest i learned in watford. Theirple cant get to see g. P. , if elderly people cant thenhe visits they need, they end up in hospital when it could have been avoided. Them, and bad for its bad for the taxpayer. It costs billions of pounds. It, friends,e those services are creaking. Are creaking just now. One in four people cant get to week. Eir g. P. Within a we had the scandal of home care elderlyor the restricted to just 15 minutes. Day and age, the n. H. S. Face huge challenges over the coming years. We will transform our n. H. S. Its time to care about our n. H. S. Nurses,doctors, midwives, care workers, who are able to spend proper time with us, not rushed off their feet. So we will set aside resources in our we can have wives,000 more mide 5,000 more care workers, and more workers. N. H. S. , its time to care [applause] and in order to pay for it, we wont borrow an extra penny or raise taxes on ordinary working families. Well clamp down on tax avoidance, including tax loopholes by the hedge funds, to pounds. Er a billion [applause] we will use the proceeds of a tax on homes above two pounds. [applause] we will raise extra resources from the Tobacco Companies who make soaring profits on the back of ill health. [applause] because, friends, because, friends, the principle of building it together means everyones playing their part in our n. H. S. What it needs to be. 2. 5otal, well set aside billion pounds in an n. H. S. Fund, and tomorrow, andy burnham will set out our integrated plan for physical health, mental the elderly,re for truly a 21st Century National service. [applause] are incredibly high in this election and nowhere more so than on the national we knowervice because the n. H. S. Is sliding backwards under this government. Know theyre privatizing and fragmenting it. Just imagine what another five wouldof David Cameron mean for our National Health service, friends. We are not going to let it happen. Our n. H. S. Is too precious, too important, and we will not let happen [applause] n. H. S. , we built the we saved the n. H. S. Were going to repeal the Health Care Bill and were going to transform our n. H. S. Future that is what the next Labour Government will do and friends, we will do it together [applause] National Goals, friends, six ouronals goals to transform country, not a false promise on skyone, not some pie in the idea that cant be delivered. That cancrete ideas transform our country, that can future, aith in the plan for britains future, for britains future. But to make that happen, we also have to do something else. And transform who has power in our country. So that those who feel locked out, feel let back in. Thinkow, people westminster politics is out of often irrelevant, and disconnected from their lives. Somebody who stands at Prime Ministers questions each wednesday, i also know what they mean. We might as well say it, its what people think about politics. They think its not about them and weve got to change it. We dont just need to restore the futureith in with this economic and social plan, we need to change the way country. Works in this what does that mean . First of all, its time to hear voice of young people in our politics so we will give the year olds ond 17 general election. [applause] the time to complete Unfinished Business of reform of the house of lords so we truly nation andte of the region. And its time to devolve power in england. And im incredibly proud of our proposal, our ambitious proposal to reverse a century of centralization, and there can be no better place to be talking about this than here in manchester, devolving power to local government, bringing power right acrossple england. [applause] and we need reform of our heres then but thing, friends. Given everything we know about what people think of westminster politics, its got to be led by the people. It cant be some westminster stitchup. Why we need a proper Constitutional Convention harnessing the civic energy and spirit of people right across england, scotland and wales, every part of the United Kingdom. You know, ive realized something else. Is alsoeople voice about recognizing who we are as a country. Are, more than ever, four countries and one wales, scotland, northern ireland, and britain, too. Making its contribution. Were not just better together, together. Ater and thats not something to fear. Be proud of. Ing to i learned something really important, as im sure we all did, in this referendum campaign. People who are proud to be scottish and proud british, just like there are so many people who are proud bebe welsh and proud to british, no one more so than our brilliant first minister of carwin joes. Lets hear it from him today, gentlemen. Too, we can be proud to be english and proud to be british. And i say to this party, we must for these traditions and not cede them to others. Englishness, a history of solidarity from the battle of cable street against Oswald Moseley and the black shirts, to spirit of the blitz. Traditions of fairness from the ford workers dagganham who fought for pay to Todays Campaign wage. E living englishness, a spirit of whose whonalism from fought in the spanish civil war to our generosity to those overseas. Friends, there will be some people who tell you that being english, welsh, or scottish, means dividing or setting each other. Ainst rubbish why . , these heres what we labour party, know. The injustices facing working them right across the United Kingdom. And we can only tackle them together. That is, after all, what we last two years fighting for, and i am not going to let anyone, after the last two years, drive us apart. If David Cameron cares so much about the union, why is he seeked to divide us . Hes learning the wrong lessons scotland. Hes learning the wrong lessons what hetland because doesnt understand is that the lessons are of course about the constitution but they are not about playing political tactics england. And heres why hes doing it. Cameron doesnt lie awake at night thinking about the United Kingdom. He lies awake at night thinking the United Kingdom independent party. That is why he is doing it, friends. And i say, pandering to them is just one more reason why he is not fit to be the Prime Minister country reat better together, across the kingdom, but also better together, true to our tradition of internationalism. And nowhere is that more true than when it comes to europe and union. Opean friends, let me say it plainly. Let me say it plainly. Our future lies inside, not union. , the european to reform europe. We need to reform europe on the immigration, on benefits, on all of these big issues. But were is the question for britain. How do we reform europe . Do we reform europe by building by burningr alliances . Whats really good is that weve had a recent experience, a test case, by David Cameron, of his strategy. I dont know whether you missed about somebody inled jeanclaude umker and case you missed the score, its not so good from his point of view, that David Cameron, lost by 262. And why did he lose . Why did he lose . The start, people thought he might win that vote. Ill tell you why. You see the problem for our country is that when david calling, people dont think hes calling about problems of britain or the problems of europe, they think hes calling about the problems of the conservative party. Heres the funny thing, friends, and heres the funny thing, if youre elected the germany or the Prime Minister of italy, or the president of france, you dont really think youre elected to solve the problems of the conservative party. Thats why he cant succeed for our country. And what we had over jeanclaude umker is just a preview of what could befall this country if David Cameron was back in power after 2015, because he lost 262 over that. He has to win 28nil to get europe, unanimity. No chance for David Cameron. Hes got no chance of fighting for this country because people think hes got one hand on the door and his strategy has failed. If you want to reform europe, if change the way europe works, if you want to britain in the european union, and if you realize that threat to our prosperity is now the rightvative party, the answer is a Labour Government as primemined that minister id promote our values all all around the world and one of the things that means, friends, is seeking a solution to a isblem we know in our hearts one of the biggest problems our world faces and that is issues in the middle east in israel and palestine. Ill tell you, i will fight with every fiber of my being to get the twostate solution, twostate for two people. Israel and palestinian state living side by side. That will be a very, very nexttant task of the. Abour government, friends theres one other thing i want what we need to do abroad. You know, weve made extraordinary progress on gay rights over the last 20 years. I think about the transformation growing up into adulthood, its the biggest transformation. Weve made such progress on thelity but we have to face fact that internationally things are if anything going backwards. We cant just let that happen. We cant just say well thats ok. This Labour Government, the next government, will fight to make sure that we fight for our rights alluman around the world. So today i can announce, today i im appointingat mer as our envoy on lgbt rights all around the world. So its about a plan, at home and abroad, but its also about leadership. Friends you know, i know, that the next eight months represent my interview with the british people for one of the most important jobs in our country. Let me tell you what i care about. I care about big ideas that can change our country. The principle of together. I care about hearing the voices of people right across our land and not shutting them out. And i care about something else. I care about using the power of government to stand up against powerful forces when we need to do so. It came home to me the other day, when i met rosie, a doctor from devon, and she said to me what we need is someone who will stand up for working people, for everyday people, because you will have the power and we wont. Thats why i stood up to Rupert Murdoch over phone hacking. Thats why i stood up to the banks over bonuses. Thats why i stood up to the payday lenders over their exploitation of the poorest people in our country. Thats why i stood up to the Energy Companies over their profits and prices and, yes, its why i stood up to the daily mail when they said my dad hated britain because i know my dad loved britain. [applause] ok, thats me, but what about the other guy. Now this isnt a conventional Job Interview so i get to Say Something about him. He stands up for the principle of youre on your own. He stands up for the privileged few. And heres the thing that gets me the most about him perhaps. He really thinks that a good photo opportunity will fool people into thinking he doesnt just stand up for the rich and privileged, he stands up for you and your family. In this day and age, when people are so cynical about politics, i just think it adds to that cynicism. But heres the thing. Hes been found out. Hes been found out because he hugged a huskie before an election, and then said cut the green crap after an election. Hes been found out because he stood outside an nhs hospital before an election with a placard saying no hospital closures, and he closed that very same a e department after the election. Hes been found out because he changed his logo to a tree before an election, and tried to sell off the forests after the election. [laughter] [applause] and hes been found out because he said he was a compassionate conservative before the election, and he imposed the cruel, the vindictive, the unfair bedroom tax after the election. [applause] and you know what gets me even more . You know what gets me even more . Is that even now, with all the tales of misery, hardship, injustice, he thinks a bit of rebranding will get him off the hook. So he calls it the spare room subsidy as if that will make the problem go away. Well, David Cameron, youve been found out. [applause] so friends, there is a choice of leadership at this election. A real, stark choice of leadership. Leadership that stands for the privileged few or leadership that fights for you and your family. And as i said earlier, this isnt just about leadership and government and labours plan for britains future. Its also about all of you. See, we cant build the country we need without you. Without mobilising every part of britain. So i say to young people we need your hope, your energy, your vitality. I say to every older person we respect your service and we need your wisdom. I say to every business you can be part of this and we cant do it without you. I say to every entrepreneur we need your ideas, your enthusiasm. I say to every charity we admire your spirit and we want to hear your voice. I say to every nurse, every teacher, every Public Service worker we salute your dedication and we know why you do what you do. [applause] i say to every person in our country who believes that tomorrow can be better than today we need you. Together we bring up our families. Together we look out for our neighbours. Together we care for our communities. Together we build great businesses, the best in the world. Together we teach the young. Together we heal the sick. Together we care for the old. Together we invent cures for the most terrible of diseases. So, of course, friends, together we can rebuild our country. Together we can reward hard work. Together we can ensure the next generation does better than the last. Together we can make our nhs greater than it has ever been before. Together we can make britain prouder, stronger in the world. Together we can restore faith in the future. On our own, we cant but together we can. In the next eight months the british people face one of the biggest choices in generations. A choice between carrying on as we are, on your own, for the privileged few. Or a different, Better Future for our country. We are ready. Labours plan for britains future. Lets make it happen. Together. Thank you very much. [applause] [captions Copyright National cable satellite corp. 2014] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] the british house of commons will be in recess for the next few weeks. The house of commons returns in midoctober. You could watch past Prime Ministers questions or other british programming on our website at cspan. Org. On friday, members of the British Parliament overwhelmingly approved Prime MinisterDavid Camerons proposal to join the u. S. And other countries are conduct thing air against Islamic State targets in iraq. Of the proposal stop short of endorsing military intervention in syria. Afters debated motion being called back from their recess. Heres a portion of the debate that preceded them vote. This is two hours and 10 minutes. This portion of the debate runs two hours. Order. Order. We begin with the house motion to be moved formally. Question is as only order paper. The eyes have it. We now come to the business of the house motion, motion number two as on the order paper. Thank you. Moved on behalf of the leader of the house. Thank you. Business of is the the house motion as on the order paper. Say i. I. No. The ayes have it. We now come to the motion regarding isil. The Prime Minister. Thank you mr. Speaker. I beg to move, that this house condemns the barbaric acts of isil against the peoples of iraq including the sunni, shia, the question is how to dismantle and ultimately destroy what president obama has called a network of death. There is no more serious an issue than asking our armed forces to put themselves in harms way to protect our country , and i want to set out why we should do that. To our direct threat people . Elementilitary necessary . Is it necessary for us to take part . Is it illegal for us to take part . Will we be doing so with partners . And is very moral justification for putting lives of british men and women on the line . Clear idea what an exit will look like and do we have a strategy to take us there. First, our national interest. Is there a threat to the british people . The answer is yes. Isil has already killed one british hostage and is threatening to more. Disruptedervices have six known plots in europe as inl as a terrorist attack australia aimed at civilians including british and australian tourist. A terrorist organization unlike those we have dealt with before. , crucifixions, the gouging of eyes, the use of rape as a weapon, the slaughter of children, all of these things belong to the dark ages. It is backed by billions of dollars and has captured an arsenal of the most modern weapons. In the space of a few months, isil has taken control of the territory greater then the size of Great Britain and has designs all the way up to the turkish border. This is not a threat on the far side of the world. , we will face a terrorist caliphate on the shores of the mediterranean and bordering a provenmber with a determination to attack our country and our people. This is not the stuff of fantasy. It is happening in front of us and we need to face up to it. Is there a clear and comprehensive plan . Yes. It starts at home. As the house knows, we are introducing new powers. These include strengthening our passports,seize stripping British Nationality and ensuring that airlines comply with nofly lists. In all of this, we are being clear about the cause of the threats we face. As i said before, that means defeating the poisonous ideology of islamic extremism by tackling all forms of extremism, not just the violent extremist. So we are banning organizations of hate and stopping people from inciting hatred in our schools, universities and prisons. Some will say that any actions you take will further radicalize young people. I have to say this is the counsel of despair. The threat of radicalization is already here. Young people have already left our country to go and fight with these extremists. We must take action at home but we must also have a comprehensive strategy to defeat it stream is defeat extremists abroad. To questions he has but to himself. How long will they wore last and when will Mission Creek start . Lastw long will this war and when will Mission Creek start . Believe this will take months, not years, but we have to be prepared for that commitment. Are notghtly, we contemplating putting combat troops on the ground. There will be troops on the ground, but they will be a iraqi troops, kurdish troops, and we should be supporting them in all the ways i will describe. In terms of mission creep, i will direct addressed are at the addressed very directly why werey speech discussing this today. I am grateful to the Prime Minister for giving way. He has said on a number of that wes in the house are combating poisonous ideology. Will he commit to working with the mainstream muslim theseities to see atrocities rejected and have a Practical Program to make this happen . I absolutely committed to doing that and we have to do that not just in britain, but around the world, and we should be clear that the cause of this problem is the poisonous narrative of extremism. Whenever there are broken states, conflicts, civil wars, we see this problem arise, whether it is boko haram in nigeria, al qaeda in yemen or il in iraq and syria. We need muslims to reclaim their religion from this extremism. It was notable that president obama in his speech to the United Nations singled out muslims in britain who said this is not being done in my name and we should give praise to those people up. Let me give rate my friend. The problem is, having caused this mess in iraq, we armed the iraqi army, they ran away, and arms. Ow has their is his series lead to be contended that with airstrikes seriously to be contended that with airstrikes alone we can rollback this problem . Requires is a comprehensive strategy including a well formed Iraqi Government and well formed forces because they in the end will have to be the ones to defeat this on the ground. Where i disagree with my honorable friend, in the cause of how this came about, i would say that the two most principal causes of this problem are the islamic extremism, but the two principal causes are that assad has been butchering his own people and acting as a recruiting sergeant to the extremist, and secondly, with the malik egovernment, we had a government that did not represent all the people of with the al maliki government, we had a government that did not represent all of the people. Missiles can kill terrorist but Good Governance will kill terrorism. We should have that thought front of wind as we debate this afternoon. They now know how to do it and will get full comment democratic support. It is absolutely essential. I think there is a lot more that needs to be done. Ny to discuss this directly we need to make sure the government in iraq is not just supporting the shia community, people inng together United Country with armed forces that are respected by every part of that community. That hasnt happened yet. It is happening. I think president obama was right to delay this action until we had an Iraqi Government with whom we could work with as a good partner. I will just make a little progress with my speech and i will take several interventions. As i said, we have to take action home and abroad. It must involve using all resources at our disposal. That meeting monetary efforts that britain is leading to help those displaced by the isil onslaught here in its diplomatic efforts as part of this international effort. At the United Nations, we are leading the process of condemning isil and distracting finances and global consensus of preventing the movement of foreign fighters. This strategy also involves political efforts to support the creation of a new and genuinely inclusive government in iraq and to bring about a transition of power in syria that could lead to a new representative and Accountable Government that it to could take the fight to iso isil. Military haveur an indispensable role to play. In a moment or two, i will turn to why. Thank the Prime Minister for giving way. On this vitalore area of changing the nature of government in syria . All syriao be frank, is what iraq needs. It needs an inclusive come at democratic government that represents all its people. We have had our strategy in terms of that backing the moderate syrian counsel in working with others. I do think iran has a role to play here and i met with president Rouhani New York to discuss this and other issues. Iran can play role in helping bring around better government and iraq. Yria the jury is still out as to whether they will play a role. I will give way to my friend and i will make some progress. Thee are all grateful for recall an opportunity to discuss this in this manner. Was mentioned. They also mentioned the kurds and iraq army are fighting on the ground. Given that last week the United States congress voted to support the Free Syrian Army of early with weapons even that they are conducting a ground war in which we are not prepared to do, what the premise to say whether were looking at whether we could give military hardware to the Free Syrian Army because they have the people and just not the weaponry to take on either a sod and isil together assad and isil together . As my friend knows, what we have done is support that Syrian National coalition and the Free Syrian Army with advice, training, and was nonlethal equipment. And not proposing a change to that today. Let me address this issue directly. Isil needs to be destroyed in syria and iraq. We support the action that has been taken in syria. I believe that is a strong case for us to do more. I dont want to bring in a motion to the house today in which there wasnt a consensus for. It is better for our country to proceed on the basis of consensus. In this action, there are many concerns about doing more in syria. I understand that. I do not believe there is a legal barrier that were we to act or others to act there is a legal basis. But it is true to say the situation is more complicated than iraqi situation. There is the presence of the brutal dictator assad. We should be clear that we have a Clear Strategy for dealing backing the official opposition, building it up as a counterpoint to assad and working for a transition. Needs isd, what syria a government that represents all people. Does he accept that without the iraqi army being able to take and hold ground, theres a real risk that airstrikes will not only just prove it ineffective, but could be counted protect dave, especially h casualties mounting could be counterproductive, especially with title iis mounting. It could be that story spun. I would disagree with my honorable friend on that. Action has taken place by the americans and to a degree by the french. It has made a difference. Lives have been saved. Many minorities who otherwise would have been butchered. Friend is saying do we need a better iraqi army on the ground . Of course we do. Because we quite rightly are not prepared to put troops on the ground, we should be working soh the iraqis and kurds they become more effective. We cannot wait for the and allow minorities and others to be butchered. Andme take some progress why and military action is necessary before taking further interventions. I dont believe there is a realistic prospect of degrading and defeating isil. We should be frank there is a military complex taking place. Isil has taken territory and their butchering people in iraq. Many are fighting isil. We have to decide if we will support and i believe that we should. It is vital that the International Community does more to build the capabilities of legitimate authorities fighting extremism and along with our European Partners play our role. Our strengthening the resilience of military forces in lebanon and jordan. Their return it and Surveillance Aircraft has been helping with intelligence gathering and logistics to support american attacks on isil and iraq. To be frank, the Iraqi Government want more direct assistance. Foreign minister wrote the United Council asking for military systems to support its actions. Him in new york, he reiterated that request to meet. The real work of destroying isil will be for the Iraqi Security forces, but they need military help and it is in our interest to give way to the foreign minister. There is a problem in iraq though we need to recognize it it is not just political and it is not just capability. There needs to be a well from the iraqi army to defend the sunni areas of the country army tom the iraqi defend the sunni areas of the country. Our air strikes me to support a country that has the will to defend all of its own people. The gentleman is absolutely right. That is a conversation where. There is no doubt that this Prime Minister is a change from the previous regime. They understand this point. Frankly, we should be taught in our interactions with them. They want our help and one more expert tease and counterterrorism expertise to help them defend against these appalling car bombs in baghdad. We should give them help, this is conditional on you defending and protecting all of your people. That must include the sunnis in iraq as well. I will give way to my friend. Thank you for giving way. The kurdish president is on record saying that they do not want british servicemen and women on the Ground Fighting the fight for them. They just me but equipment, training, and the air support. It Prime Minister will deliver that message to our Prime Minister and watching the situation via that sunni tribes, they need to take the fight to isil as well. Spot friend is absolutely on. My friend has been very frank and his requests. He said clearly, we need your help drive these people out of our country and out of the world. He has been frank about that. We are supplying equipment. We could do more to help the security forces. Them tocourse we need help, that they need to see that they could be part of a successful iraq. That is why the involvement of other countries are so important. There are countries that should be encouraging the tribes to take on. You give way to my friend and i will take progress. Thank you. Im glad that the except that airstrikes cannot hope alone to be successful unless they are in a nation with Ground Forces. Yelling Ground Forces mentioned so far are those of the kurds and the iraqis. What are other arab states proposing . Surely those forces have to be sunni muslim Ground Forces. We need other arab countries to supply them. I think my honorable method friend makes an appoint point. We should tread carefully. We are proposing at the request of the legitimate Iraqi Government. It is supposed to represent all of its country. Should be doing that rather than relying on provide sunnis to forces in order to deliver that affect. I think it is very important that we keep on the pressure. It is the Iraqi Government that should be representing its people. I will take more interventions, i promise. I want to answer this question whether it is necessary for britain to take part in this international action. Should we leave it to others . I do not believe that is the answer. Theres vital work being done in terms of airstrikes. Britain has unique assets that no other Coalition Ally could contribute. We have a unique surveillance and intelligence disabilities. It is well used to working. These are some of the reasons president obama and clear to me that amerco wants and to join the air action in iraq. I believe it is also our duty to in this international operation. It is about protecting our people as well and protecting the streets of britain should not be a task that we are prepared to entirely subcontract to other air forces of other countries. I give way to the honorable lady. Thank you for giving way. The former mi6 said that getting saudi arabia will be far more effective than bombing. Why are we hearing from this Prime Minister about the solutions to this rather than reaching for military solutions that could undermine them . We are taking those diplomatic initiatives. We need all of those political moves in diplomatic moves to take place. They are vital. Theres a part of this that requires a military solution. Can play a role as well. Let me give way to the honorable sentiment. I thank the Prime Minister. Givehave contacted me and voice to the fear of the consequences of action. Isnt that the point and the reason that we are here that we call today . It is far, far worse. I think my friend is right. We have got to think of the consequences of inaction. If we allow isil to grow and thrive, there is no doubt in my mind that the level of threat to this country would increase. We have already seen isil murderers butchered innocent people in a museum in brussels. We have had plots in britain by isil. How much stronger will they be before we decide we need to take action . I give way to honorable gentleman. Indeed these are murderous acts. That is not the issue. We know that. Is will that be effective in destroying isis . Afghanistan no more success stories. Are we going to embark on something that could last for years . Comment on why this is difference than the decision the house made about iraq. The fact is this is about psychopathic terrorist that are trying to kill us. There isnt a walk on by option. There isnt an option of just hoping that this will go away. I will give way more p i promise i will give way more. I want to leave plenty of time for other contributions. The attorney general has given his advice on the action have proposed to take. We have a letter from the Un Security Council. Theres no question that the legal basis for action founded on the request of the Iraqi Government. Let me briefly address that we will be acting in the support of local partners. This has been a major problem. We have a substantial coalition in place. Happening have been helping. Even regional powers are publicly condemning the extremists. Our differences with iran remain. Terrorist and for new clue program that has to change, but we will not back out. But if the political leaders are program, nuclear that has to change, but we will not back out. Let me give way to my honorable friend. Given the consent from the Iraqi Government, can the reconfirmation of the rinse to protect from genocide that is on the table and capable of wider my friend is right. There are variety of legal arguments that could be applied. If we were to react in syria, it would be collected defense against isil. He is right. I have said this in the house before that it is a legal base if you are reversing a humanitarian to test if he. Let me be clear again. It is right where having this debate and the scope, if there was a moment and looked as if there could be an urgent humanitarian need for intervention, i would be prepared to order that intervention and come to the house and explain why. Let me explain. We have a comprehensive strategy for action. We have a clear request from Iraqi Government and international law. We need to act in our own interests. We need to ask that is morally right and we move into a new phase of action by asking armed forces to take part in International Airstrikes against isil. I believe we should do so now. Muslims have made clear it has nothing to do with islam. Discussionseen with an Islamic Organization that represents Muslim States to see if any of them will be joining the International Coalition . That promises it is oh wider widerion is a coalition. I think it is one of the most important things that can happen. Muslim governments, islamic countries are coming out and condemning isil and explaining ofs is not a good bunch people acting on behalf of a religion. It is a bunch of psychopaths who have perverted a religion and it is not being done it in it is not being done in that name. We want to see a stable and overtime a stable syria. We want to see isil degraded and destroyed. Let me be frank we should not expect this to happen quickly. The hallmarks of this campaign would be patient and persistent and not shock. Were not deploying combat troops, but providing air power and support of local forces on the ground. No british or western troops will occupy iraq. Many of the elements that will be needed for a longterm success, many of which i have set out very clearly today. Let me give way to the member from the s p. Thank you. He has talked about the International Coalition. Peshmerga fighters have taken a lot of the brunt of fighting isil. Can you assure us all of the parties involved are in support of this . I have spoken to kurdish leaders and to the iraq Prime Minister. Both have an frank they want our help. They dont want british combat troops on the ground unit they do need the arms and the ability to defeat this murderous terrorist organization. Way. E give im grateful. I support the Prime Ministers motion. Did i hear him correctly a moment or two ago . Subsequentgive support from the house . Surely it is the other way around. The gentleman heard me right the first time around. Need to takethe urgent action to prevent for instance the massacre of the Minority Community or christian demanded he, britain could community, britain could act if i believe we could effectively do that. What im saying is that i would order that and come straight to the house and explain. Think the convention that has grown up in recent years is that the house is properly consulted and there is a proper vote. It is a good convention. If there was a critical British National interest at stake or if there was the need to act to prevent he monetary catastrophe, then you could act immediately and explain to the house afterwards. I think it is good that the house debates before action happens. Can you confirm whether he is asking the house to allow any presence of military British Military in iraq . If so, in what role . The reason for choosing the words combat troops is important. Were contemplating putting in helicopters to evacuate people trapped on the mountain, that would have involved British Forces being in an area of iraq with the servicing and efforts and helping those helicopters. It would have involved british personnel. That is why we talk by british combat troops. Whether or not we are militarily involved in syria, theres no doubt that the fighting has been and is intensified and that means it is a humanitarian crisis. It will also intensified. What preparations are being made . The current ones need to be stepped up. Who are they cooperating with to ensure it . I think the gentleman raises an important point. We have got very advanced aid programs. More aideen providing across the border and are working with international partners, including increasing contributions to make sure that happens. I will take more interventions. What is your card is an inclusive iraqi what is needed is an inclusivei iraq inclusive Iraqi Government. The future of british Prime Ministers and governments, i suspect they will be standing here in dealing with this issue of extremism in different forms and in different parts of the world for many parts to come. Isil sprung up quickly, but we see the mayhem caused by other group. It could be boko haram. There dealing with generational struggle caused by the perversion of one of the worlds great religions, islam. Ive no doubt the struggle is one in which this house is more than equal. I give way. I thank the Prime Minister for giving way. You may will need to use Ground Forces at the end of the day. Contemplating the use of british combat forces. I think it would be the wrong thing to do. The lesson to learn from previous conflicts is we should play the most appropriate role for us. It is for the iraq government and an iraq Government Army to defeat isil in iraq. It is for a proper and legitimate Syrian Government to defeat isil p at what we should be helping with is the aid and diplomacy and political pressure and with unique military assets where they can help. For the comprehensive strategy, not ignoring the powers, learning the lessons, that is what this debate is about. That is what this motion is about. I give way. Wording is careful carefully done to make sure we get support for it. For deweyplates really need to vote on the matter . We live in a robust democracy were this house of commons wants quite rightly in my view to see ministers at the dispatch box and defending their actions and the house of commons should be consulted in advanced. I have set out where i think there are gaps in that convention. I thank the Prime Minister. Which countries are supporting isil, including by producing oil and what is the British Government and others going to do about it . Is spot on. He lady there are number of things we need to do. We need to take action to tell the world that isil is actually selling oil to assad and making millions of pounds. American airstrikes have dealt with some of the socalled mobile oil refineries. Clearly theres more in venues to be done to persuade those that in the past might have backed organizations like isil. That was very much what was being discussed around the table at the Un Security Council. I thank the Prime Minister for giving way. What is going on with International Pressure to make sure funding is this is a wellfunded organization apparently. My friend is right. They simply took the money out of the bank. It will be a long term squeeze the has to be put on in this case. We must take a tougher line with key allies. They have a feeling terrorist for decades and continue to do so. I think we need to have this direct conversation with everyone in the middle east, which is the dangers of this sectarian groups. We need everyone to recognize sector of islam they are from, that terrorism breeds further terrorism. In the end, it comes back and damages their own countries and societies. It is inevitable that the shadows of the involvement hangs heavy over this chamber today. The situation we face is very different. We are acting in response to a direct appeal from a sovereign offering government to help deal with this terrorist threat. It is a threat to iraq and britain. Of ae acting as part coalition, 60 countries. All committed to rolling back isil however long and difficult that task might be. This is not 2003. You must and that for indifference or inaction. Once again are inspirational armed forces will put themselves in harms way to keep our people and our country safe is a contribute to the bravery and service. The question is the motion on iraq. The coalition against iso. Thespeaker against coalition against isil. Mr. Speaker, it it is important this issue was brought to the house and that he is committed to bring the decisions to the house as well. Whatever side of this debate we are on will be conducting it with huge admiration for the bravery, spirit, and the duty displayed by our armed forces who act on the decision that this house makes. Let us be clear the offset of the proposition today. It is about airstrikes against iso isil. It is not about Ground Troops and nor about u. K. Military action elsewhere. It is a mission. Let me say as we debate this, i understand the qualms of the uneasy that will be in this undertaking that is in the house and in the country. Those who advocate military action have to persuade members of the house not just that isil is an evil organization, but we should take military action in iraq. I want to do so by setting out the particular nature of the isil threat and the criteria we should apply to judging the case of military action. I want to Say Something about the world that i believe is directly relevant to this decision. Also clarified the labor position with regards to politics. Many are clear do not see any clear exit strategy. Others say the politics is not right. Many sunnis still feel alienated. Military intervention will not to be in doing. I understand that honorable gentlemans longheld portion on these issues. The point i will make is that there needs to be a comprehensive strategy. We arent talking about the military only solution. It is about you military action and a wider, strategic action. I want to Say Something about the nation of isil. Isil is not simply another terrorist organization geared we have seen the hostagetaking of british citizens. It is not just british citizens. Him hristians, fell fellow muslims, many Different Countries and many back on manying your backgrounds. Anyone who disagrees with them. It is relevant to the decisions that we make today. They separated men and boys from women and younger children. The men were driven away two different nearby locations where they were shot and killed. The women and children of the village working. Did abducted and continue to be held by isil. Sil is murdering muslims to those who say that military action against them is somehow understandn islam, i anxiety, including communities in britain, but the truth is entirely different. It is muslims. Themselves who are saying it leading british muslim scholars and recently wrote of isil they are perpetrating the worst crimes against humanity. It is a war against all humanity. Isils ideology has nothing to do with the peaceful religion practised by billions of people across the world and by millions of our fellow citizens, who are appalled by their actions. The leader of the opposition mentioned hostages. David haines was brought up and educated in perth, and some of his family are constituents of mine. To the people of perth, david haines was simply a hero, and the more we find out about his remarkable life, the more appalled we are by his brutal and barbaric murder. The people of perth are planning a commemoration of his life, and i am sure that the leader of the opposition and the Prime Minister will want to join them and congratulate them on their efforts to ensure that this man is properly remembered. The honorable gentleman spoke with great eloquence on this issue. In a way, it tells us all we need to know about this organisation that it would take hostage people who exist simply to try to help the innocent victims. Of conflict all around the world. I am grateful to the right honorable gentleman for giving way and for his support this time for the government motion for intervention. Given what he has said about the horrors of isil, if it is necessary for us to come back to the house and debate a motion to intervene against isil in syria, will he support it . I do want to deal with this very directly, if the house will give me permission. I want to be very clear about this. We will obviously consider any further proposition if the Prime Minister chooses to come back with one. Let me mention three issues that concern me about the difference between iraq and syria. First of all, there is the question of legitimacy. There is a strong argument about the legal base for action in syria under article 51. The point that i have been making in the last few days is that, in my view, when we are not talking about being invited in by a democratic state, it would be better i put it no higher than that to seek a Un Security Council resolution. Why . Because that is the highest Multilateral Institution of the world and therefore it would be better to seek authorisation on the basis of that. There are two other issues in play in relation to syria. One, there is the question of Ground Forces. The point that a number of hon. Members have made is that we cannot defeat isil by air power alone. In the case of iraq, the iraqi army and the kurds can conduct those operations. There is i put it no higher than this an outstanding question about who will perform that function in syria. Secondly, as the Prime Minister himself made reference to, there is a big outstanding question about the overall outcome that we are seeking in syria. The prmi