breaking news tonight. satsuma, florida. a 5-year-old little girl tucked into bed. five hours later she's gone. vanished. the back door propped wide open. daddy comes home from the night shift to find not a trace of little haleigh. last person to see the 5-year-old alive at night? new stepmother misty croslin. bombshell tonight. just hours after croslin handcuffed by cops on alleged road rage she flies first class to new york, taking to the air to declare she's innocent. how does a fish get caught? he opens his mouth. even in one brief interview she can't keep her story straight. minutes after croslin's debacle on national tv her lawyer dumps her. after her brother tells cops he was at the home that night and no sign of croslin, completely debunking her story, her mother weighs in that croslin's not coming clean. croslin's response on tv? "they betrayed me." they're the bad guys. look at them, don't look at me. and tonight her staunchest supporter, her husband and haleigh's father, admits cracks in her story through lawyers. she first claimed she knows nothing about haleigh's whereabouts, but then in a stunning twist blurts out, "the other side of the family took haleigh." who? then a 180 on the failed lie detector, claiming she passed, then admitting she failed, blaming her own guilty conscience. is that an admission? cops reconfirm physical evidence contradicts croslin's story. has haleigh's disappearance, the nine-month search for the brown-eyed 5-year-old, and fingers pointing at babysitter turned stepmom misty croslin taken a toll? cummings and croslin divorce. croslin claims neither haleigh's disappearance nor the holes in her story had anything to do with the split. but have cummings' worst fears been confirmed? that his new wife, misty croslin, implicated in the disappearance of his own 5-year-old girl. >> the two of us have agreed to go separate ways. >> they are splitting up. >> with the family problems and everything else, it's just -- it's too much on the relationship. we can't go anywhere without being questioned or people staring at us or anything like that. >> okay. so you're getting at a divorce because people stare at you? i don't believe that for one minute. >> no, that's -- that's not why i'm getting a divorce. i'm -- that's a part of the reason why i'm getting a divorce. >> i don't want a divorce, but that's what he wants. so whatever. i'm not going to fight him. >> the last time you had seen her before, then, was when? >> 10:00, when i laid down to bed. >> you had put her to bed? >> mm-hmm. she went to bed at 8:00. >> but your brother told police when he went to the trailer that night that you were supposedly putting haleigh to bed you weren't there. did you go somewhere that night? >> no, i did not. i did not leave my house at all. >> why did he tell police that you weren't there? >> trying to get out of jail. that's what i think. >> so your brother was in jail? >> yeah, he was in jail. >> your own brother would betray you like that? >> my family, yes. >> and tonight, live, missing, a 13-year-old 12k3w4r50ir7b8g9sd. upzblarnltz. the threeing'llingsing 78g9sds three at home. where are 13-year-old janet and 7-year-old twin brothers alexander and alexis tonight? is there a break in the case? >> a 13-year-old girl and her 7-year-old twin brothers are missing after they disappear, possibly at a local shopping center. that shopping center hosting a carnival. georgia police issuing missing children's alerts in the attempt to locate 13-year-old janet and 7-year-old twin brothers alexander and alexis villanueva. the 13-year-old girl taking a walk with her brothers. they never came back. frantic parents calling the cops hours later. just how do three children vanish? >> good evening. i'm nancy grace. i want to thank you for being with us. just hours after croslin handcuffed by cops on alleged road rage she flies first class to new york, takes to the airwaves to declare she's innocent. how does a fish get caught? he opens his mouth. but even in this interview she can't keep her story straight. >> changes, even subtle, small changes in misty croslin's story about the night haleigh went missing bothered you. what changes -- >> yes, ma'am. >> -- if any, do you recall? >> i can't really recall the exact changes. and they're real small. it's not like she -- she pretty much tells me the same thing each time she -- i ask her about it. >> they keep saying that you failed. do you want people to know something about that -- >> they're going to know. they're going to know. >> so are you saying that you didn't fail the polygraph like people and law enforcement are kind of claiming? >> no, i did not. >> ronald cummings, did it ever disturb you that misty croslin's story actually changed? >> yes, ma'am, it did. >> what about his claims that there are -- you're telling different stories? do you think he believes you're guilty now of something? >> no, i don't think so. >> what has he said to you about this? >> he just -- he hasn't really said like much about it. you know, he believes me. he doesn't think i had anything to do with haleigh going missing. >> when you say the other side of the family, you're talking about haleigh's natural mother? >> yes. >> why would she harm her own daughter? i mean, that's a pretty serious accusation. >> she wasn't close with her daughter. they -- she admitted that they didn't have a close relationship with her daughter. >> so what do you believe in your heart of hearts she may have done? >> i don't know. i don't think that she personally had anything to do with it. just someone on her side of the family. >> you're seeing new stepmother misty croslin on cbs's "the early show." we are taking your calls live. first out to marlaina schiavo. marlai marlaina, what's the latest? >> misty croslin says that her brother lied about the night coming over to knock on that door because he wanted to get out of jail. and she also clarified that she is blaming crystal's family for the disappearance of haleigh. and crystal sheffield has lashed out and has spoken out against what misty is saying. they're both pointing fingers at one another. so you know, misty is just kind of digging herself in a deeper hole to the point where her attorney has now dropped her. >> okay. to dr. janet taylor, psychiatrist and medical doctor. dr. taylor, do you get a sense -- and i've seen this with defendants on the stand. it's like this. everybody else is at fault but them. here she's saying my brother betrayed me, my mother, it's just my family. that's supposed to explain it all? the brother places himself at the location that night, says he bangs on the door, no misty croslin. that totally debunks her story. the mother says she hasn't come clean. and now on national tv she says they betrayed me, they're the bad guys. >> yeah, it's just one story after another. we know how dysfunctional, by her own admission, her life was. and now she's backed into a corner, so it's just all this finger pointing with no real understanding. she was the one in charge of little haleigh. what happened to her? >> take a listen to her ill-f e ill-fated interview on cbs morning show, the interview her lawyer begged her not to do. >> the last time you had seen her before then was when? >> 10:00, when i laid down to bed. >> you had put her to bed? >> mm-hmm. she went to bed at 8:00. >> but your brother told police when he went to the trailer that night you that were supposedly putting haleigh to bed you weren't there. did you go somewhere that night? >> no, i did not. i did not leave my house at all. >> why did he tell police that you weren't there? >> trying to get out of jail. that's what i think. >> so your brother was in jail? >> yeah, he was in jail. >> your own brother would betray you like that? >> my family, yes. >> when you say the other side of the family, you're talking about haleigh's natural mother? >> yes. >> why would she harm her own daughter in i mean, that's a pretty serious accusation. >> she wasn't close with her daughter. she admitted they didn't have a close relationship with her daughter. >> so what do you believe in your heart of hearts she may have done? >> i don't think she personally had anything to do with it. just someone on her side of the family. >> so some phantom person on the bio mom's side of the family comes, gets the baby in the middle of the night. that's croslin on cbs's "early show." it doesn't even make any sense. if the mother didn't care enough to live in the town where the little girl was, it's not like she had a job demand or a reason to live elsewhere that she could not get around. why would the bio mom bother to come kidnap the child in the middle of the night if she didn't even exercise visitation rights? we're taking your calls live. let's go straight to the lines. first to ellie jostad, our chief editorial producer. croslin's response about her own brother, claiming he betrayed her and he made the whole story up to get out of jail. well, he didn't get out of jail. weeks and weeks passed. and think about it, ellie. if you're going to tell a big fat whopper lie to cops about your own sister to get out of jail, wouldn't it be something like she confessed she killed haleigh by accident? >> right. >> or she confessed she knew where the body was. why would it be i went to the house and knocked on the door and nobody came. who would make that story up? >> yeah, and her brother didn't go into any real detail about it. he said he went there, knocked on the door, hung out a little bit, the house was dark. he didn't say oh, and i went inside and she wasn't there. all he said is that he knocked and she didn't answer. of course misty croslin is saying i was there the whole time, i was asleep, i must not have heard him knocking. >> out to the lines. shirley in florida. hello, shirley. >> caller: hello, nancy. >> hi, dear. >> caller: hi. my question is have they put any comparison between misty and her actions and casey anthony? because it seems to me that she's acting like another casey anthony. >> huh. to marc klaas, president and founder of klaaskids foundation. he's a child rights advocate. what do you make of that comparison? >> well, it's not far off. i think that misty's complete and total lack of life experience is what's really betraying her, not her brother. and i think that's a very revealing statement, nancy. if this family is willing to betray each other over something like getting -- a get out of jail free card, what does that say about her? and who is she willing to betray? is she betraying ron? is she betraying haleigh? is she betraying everybody that's standing behind her? and why does ron continue through his lawyers to say that he's supporting misty and that he's not concerned about the inconsistencies in her story when we thought he was divorcing her? he's still providing cover. he's probably his own worst enemy at this point. >> keep haleigh's face out there. and if you have any information leading to her disappearance to call it in. it don't matter who it hurts. and i want to let everyone know that i'm not hiding anything for anybody. let's bring haleigh home. every night hln's nancy grace brings you the real drama straight from the courtroom. >> every lawyer has a different version of what they would think justice is. >> tnt mondays. "raising the bar" is all new. >> to me justice is a jury rendering a verdict that speaks the truth. >> you trust him. because that's what this case comes down to. >> stephen bochco's "raising the bar." mondays at 10:00 on tnt. and pick up nancy's new book "the eleventh victim," available now wherever books are sold. the stepmom of missing little girl haleigh cummings breaking her silence. >> so are you saying that you didn't fail the polygraph like people and law enforcement are kind of claiming that you did? >> no, i did not. >> so bottom line you don't know where haleigh is? >> bottom line. >> she tells a local reporter on her way that she never failed the polygraph. then she gets on the cbs "early show" and blatantly admits that she failed a poly. >> misty did do this interview without the blessing from her attorney, robert fields, who said that he did advise her not to do this. but misty croslin is speaking out, saying that she's not worried about getting an arrest, she does believe that haleigh is still alive and well. >> i didn't do anything with -- to that little girl. i would never hurt her. >> she didn't say that it was fact that the other side of the family's involved. she said "i felt it." i watched her eyes roll a little too. all indicators that she's lying. this is another diversionary tactic from some individual who is a suspect in a very, very serious case, obviously. >> i thought all along that she has something to do with it. and now this kind of just proves it. i mean, she was the last one to see our daughter, and her stories just don't add up. >> and also, we learn that ronald cummings, through his lawyer, states he no longer accepts her story. he's beginning to see the cracks in it. and he has been her staunchest supporter. out to the lines, sandy in arkansas. hi, sandy. >> caller: hey, nancy grace. i love you, dear. >> thank you. and thank you for calling in. >> caller: and i'm so proud of you and your hubby and your twins. >> you know what? we are -- like god heard our prayers and answered them 10,000 times over. >> caller: i have followed you for so many years. court tv, all of them. but anyway, i'd just like to make a comment on the cell phone bills, if there is a cell phone that ronald tried to call misty that night. if he tried to call 20 times, ronald's got a hot temper, i wonder why he didn't leave work and go home and check to see what was going on. i'm not buying this story. >> to terry shoemaker, attorney for ronald cummings. terry's father, of course, terry, well-known attorney in the jacksonville area. in fact the whole region. terry shoemaker, thank you for being with us. >> thank you. >> let me just clarify again, and correct me if i'm wrong. because i'll find out later at some point. the truth will be uncovered. isn't it true, mr. shoemaker, that ronald cummings stayed at work his full shift and he got home around 3:00 a.m.? >> absolutely. he never left. >> terry, what did he do for a living? what was it exactly he did there? >> he was a crane operator. amongst some other -- >> i'm sorry. i couldn't hear you. >> he was a crane operator. >> okay. were there other people around him observing him operating the crane amongst other things? >> yes. he was there all night. you know, there were some times, you know, based on our conversations with fdle, that people didn't actually see him. but they were for very short periods of time. and people saw him there all night for the most part. >> and his home was about a 30 or 40-minute drive away p. >> a little less than that. you know, probably anywhere from 20 to 30 minutes. >> okay. give him 30. he would have to have been gone about an hour and a half, 30 minutes there, 30 minutes back, and 30 minutes for whatever was to take place there. was there that big of a gap of people seeing him? >> absolutely not, nancy. >> okay. mr. shoemaker, you're giving me your word on that? >> absolutely, nancy. >> and again, you said he operates a crane. was he operating a crane that night? >> i don't believe he actually was that evening. i know he had a couple different things he was doing -- >> like what? >> i can't really answer that specifically. i know -- >> why? >> well, when we spoke with law enforcement the last time, they asked him about his different jobs that evening and he said that he had to move some material from different locations and -- so i know he had a number of different responsibilities. but his primary responsibility at that job was as a crane operator. >> indoors or outdoors? >> well, the crane is outdoors, but he would move things to different aspects of the job site and take care of material that way. >> so we know absolutely he did not leave the job site? >> absolutely. >> okay. i need to go to you. ellie jostad, this one i don't understand. about all those phone calls. if she did not have her telephone turned on, that may be explaining why cops can't get a ping on her to locate where she was. because even if you don't pick the phone up, if your phone is ringing or it's turned on, you're still emitting pings. am i right or wrong about that? >> yeah, you're right. and police have told us that they have not been able -- or they haven't been real clear about what they've been able to learn about misty croslin's cell phone. but you're right. we do know that ron called her over 20 times that night and apparently never got an answer. >> everyone, quick break. we're taking your calls live. now we know why misty croslin's lawyer insisted that she not give an interview. to tonight's case alert. 16-year-old bipolar chicago girl who vanishes off the streets on her way to school in the morning found alive after a tipster sees our program. tonight 16-year-old jessica jones reunited with her family. breaking news. there is a god. when you say the other side of the family, you're talking about haleigh's natural mother? >> yes. >> why would she harm her own daughter? i mean, that's a pretty serious accusation. >> she wasn't close with her daughter. they -- she admitted that they didn't have a kroes relationship with her daughter. >> so what do you believe in your heart of hearts she may have done? >> i don't know -- i don't think that she personally had anything to do with it. just someone on her side of the family. >> that is new stepmother croslin on cbs's "early show." unleash the lawyers. joe lawless, defense attorney out of philadelphia and author of "prosecutorial misconduct." and stacey schneider, defense attorney out of new york. let's see that map again, norm. joe lawless, don't you just love it when your client actually points to a specific person as the one who did it? take a look at how far away crystal sheffield lives from little haleigh. so she drove over an hour to get there in the middle of the night, sneaks in, leaves the door propped open? misty croslin doesn't hear a thing. then she leaves -- >> you stole the phrase i've used on the show countless times, that even a fish wouldn't get caught if she kept her mouth shut -- >> that's not exactly what i said. i said how does a fish get caught? he opens his mouth. that's what i said. >> well, if this girl keeps doing what she's doing, it's only a question of time before she's charged with something having to do with this kid's disappearance. she just repeatedly, repeatedly contradicts herself, and if i were her lawyer i'd have dropped her too. >> stacey schneider, i always loved it as a prosecutor when a defendant or a suspect points a finger at a specific person and says they did it because then you could bring that person to court and have them speak to the jury and clearly give an alibi, show why they didn't do it. look, this mom doesn't even exercise visitation. you think she's going to go to satsuma, florida and steal a child in the middle of the night? >> yeah, nancy, that was a really bad move on her part. it's sort of like throwing junk up against the wall and seeing what will stick. and i think she's in a defensive position, she just threw it out for to us hear. i think we both agreed on it. >> who brought it up first? >> i did. >> everybody knows that i love haleigh and ronald and junior. it's a family like haleigh wanted. >> just being married, it can be stressful and there can be challenges. >> okay, sir, let me talk to your wife. let me get some information from her. okay. can i talk to her? okay. >> how the [ bleep ] can you let my daughter get stole? >> and on top of that, everything they went through during their marriage. >> i don't know anything about her flunking a polygraph. i know what's been said about it, but i'm not a polygrapher myself, but i didn't see any results. >> it's definitely an issue at 17 years old. she doesn't have the adult thinking skills many of us would have even though she's leading a very adult life. >> divorce. i don't want a divorce, but that's what he wants. so whatever. >> ron has stuck by misty all along. he's always thought that she's told the truth. he has had some turns -- concerns, i'm sorry, regarding what she has said, some discrepancies between different statements. but he has stood by her all along. he bases that on the fact that she has been a little loose on certain situations and she has changed her story a little here and there, but nothing major. i don't think he's doubting whether or not she was involved. he's just doubting whether everything she said is what transpired that night. but he in no way believes she was involved whatsoever. >> that is terry shoemaker, who was on "the early show," cbs. he's with us live tonight. and earlier you saw misty croslin from cbs morning. we are taking your calls live. but i want to go back to terry shoemaker. this is the attorney for ronald cummings, the biological father of little haleigh. he had custody of her. he goes to work that night, comes home, she's gone. and there running her eyes like she's sleepy is girlfriend turned new stepmother misty croslin, who said rutro, i guess i slept through the whole thing. okay. terry shoemaker. >> yes, ma'am. >> please don't sugarcoat it for me the way you did on the morning shows. because if you are doubting aspects of misty croslin's story, that means you doubt the whole story. you know, you may want to take the light version and think she went out that evening and someone else came into the home. i don't know how likely or probable that is. or you may take a more realistic look that she was the last one with the child and most typically that is the person responsible for the disappearance. but has the divorce been signed yet? >> i know that misty was in our office today. we gave her the paper. she's no longer represented by anybody. she looked them over, she took them to a notary, brought them back signed. and they will be filed shortly. >> now, after the divorce is final, do you believe ronald cummings will have more to say to police? >> i don't believe so. i know, that you know, in all the times that we've met with law enforcement, which really hasn't been that many times, i know that he's been very forthright on the number of times he called her, when he called her, what the conversations were all about. so i don't think that he's really going to come out with any, you know, bombshell as to i was holding this bag. >> you're seeing video of cummings and croslin's wedding from the nbc "today show." let's take a look at some of the inconsistencies in her story. norm, if you could pull that up for me. first of all, we know there were the inconsistencies about who was in bed that night. first of all, we hear that she's in bed with both children. later she says she was in bed with junior. then she finally said oh, the children were in two separate beds from her. she said she did laundry. no detergent in the home. claimed to be sleeping, but cops and cummings said that the beds were made when they got to the home. the time frame in which she called the cops, well, that's not correct. that screen's not correct. she didn't call the cops. cummings made her call the cops. cummings made her call the cops. she didn't voluntarily do that. why she went to the further bathroom away from the one right beside her bed. there are so many things that don't make sense. out to the lines, melody, ohio. >> caller: nancy, you're beautiful. two quick comments, please. ronald's mother on the show made a comment about the taste of oxycontin being very sour and she couldn't imagine haleigh taking it. no, not if the chimld was force to take it. if there was oxycontin in the home was it the mother's? and my other question, when i look at the scene in the bedroom i see those air ducts on the floor. have those air ducts been searched for anything? thank you. >> good question. norm, let's pull up that video of our tour inside the home, including the bedroom from which hal yeeg we haleigh went missing. to dr. feigin, camden, new jersey. dr. feigin, thank you for being with us. norm, rewind that, if you could. i know it might be difficult. i saw those air ducts again. they didn't look very big but probably big enough for a child. what about the taste of oxycontin i? don't know. i've never had one. >> i haven't either. but you can mask the taste of anything by mixing it with something sweet, for example. >> that's a good point. now, in these letters that popped up, ellie jostad, the writer said she accidentally, i believe, took oxycontin at a drug party. i still don't believe that theory, ellie, because you can't tell me a bunch of potheads sitting around at i aparty are going to keep their yaps shut for this long and not say haleigh was here, especially when there's a $30,000 to $70,000 reward hanging in the balance. >> and putnam county sheriff's office has downplayed that letter. remember, it was written by a friend of misty croslin who is in jail right now. she claims she heard the information secondhand, she was writing a letter to her boyfriend about it. so police are saying take it easy on in letter. >> yeah, you know what, lawless, schneider, you've got to take every letter you get from the jailhouse with a box of salt. yes/no? >> yeah. no question about it. and everyone -- most people in jail have a motive. i'm a defense attorney. i get all kinds of letters from jail with agendas, and i never trust them. >> lawless, i would even get faxes from the jail when i was a prosecutor. >> i would get phone calls from the jail as a prosecutor. people are looking for a get out of jail free card and that's what that letter was. >> john lucich, president of high-tech crime network, i don't understand can quh y. they're not getting pings on her cell phone to pinpoint where he should was that night. what's the problem? >> the problem is she probably did have her cell phone off. that phone registers with the mtso, the mobile telephone switching office, as it moves around from cell site to cell site. they will be able to see where she was at any given time by looking at the records at each mtso. if the cell phone is off -- there have been so many cases out there where people know about cell phones that she probably did turn it off for this case. j to marc klaas, founder of klaaskids foundation, hey, marc, as an aside, isn't it true you can now put a chip in your kid's cell phone and turn on your computer and actually see where they are? have you heard about that? >> you don't have to put a chip in your kid's cell phone. the vast majority of cell phones come gps enabled and the vast majority, or the major cell phone carriers have a pretty low-cost and quite effective child locator plan where you can go onto the internet and do certain things. you can have a breadcrumb feature that lets you follow the history of where the child is and where they're going, it gives you a panic button and also provides you with geofencing so that you're able to create a barrier that if the child goes outside that barrier, wherever it is, you will be notified. it's a marvelous siystem, i think. >> marc klaas, as usual you're an encyclopedia. to the lines. lin linda. >> caller: how are you? >> i'm good, dear. what's your question? >> caller: i was wanting to know have they investigated if anything happened before ronald went to work? >> good question. to marlaina schiavo, i believe they have accounted for her time up until the time he went to work. and what about those air ducts? let's go back to melody's question also. >> as far as the air ducts, yes, nancy, investigators have searched the entire home. and as far as what happened leading up to ronald going to work, there were arguments. they accounted for her time. they knew where she was. and she was definitely home with haleigh. and there was an argument that happened before he left for work. >> and how about cummings? was he at the last sighting of haleigh? >> absolutely. absolutely. >> got it. there you see why defense attorneys tell you don't talk, much less on national tv. every one of her renegade theories have been shot down. misty croslin taking to the airwaves to declare her innocence. very quickly to tonight's safety tip. road rage. all too common for drivers to lose their temper behind the wheel. but some go way too far. it ends in road rage. if a driver harasses you, do not react by braking, swerving, or speeding up. most common form of road rage, tailgating. if you're being followed, drive to the nearest police station or any busy area to get help. road rage can and does escalate. keep your doors and your windows closed and locked. if someone tries to get into your car, blow your horn non-stop to attract attention and take off if you can. and please, don't be baited into a fight. you could end up hurt or worse. you never know if the other driver has a gun, for pete's sake. for more go to aaa.com. law enforcement has issued missing child alert for not one, not two, but three brothers and sisters. police say 13-year-old janet villanueva took her 7-year-old twin brothers for a walk sunday evening. but they never came back. mom and dad call police after they couldn't find the kids. the children possibly last seen at the blue ridge shopping center, where a local carnival is going on. tonight police need your help. >> our investigators have been knocking on doors, running down leads. the school system is out for fall break right now. so that does make things a little more difficult. again, they're out talking to classmates and just trying to run down possibly where they could be. we are asking the public's help. if somebody saw something or possibly saw one of these children to give's a call. >> a 13-year-old girl and her 7-year-old twin brothers are missing after they disappeared, possibly at a local shopping center. that shopping center hosting a carnival. georgia police issuing missing children's alerts in the attempt to locate 13-year-old janet and 7-year-old twin brothers alexander and alexis villanueva. the 13-year-old girl taking a walk with her brothers, and they never came back. frantic parents calling the cops hours later. just how do three children vanish? >> straight out to matt zarrell. matt, what's the background on this? >> well, apparently, 13-year-old janet took the twin boys for a walk around 6:00 p.m. on sunday. now, they were possibly seen at a carnival at a local shopping center later that day. the parents waited eight hours after searching, called cops, and we're learning that there may be news coming in soon, nancy. >> okay. wait a minute. what kind of carnival? what are you talking about? how far away was it from the home? >> the carnival was about a mile, mile and a half from the home. they would have had to walk through a wooded sxwrar backroads to get to. it's a carnival that takes place in the parking lot of a shopping center. >> they go for a walk in the neighborhood and they end up nearly two miles away at a carnival? was there a sighting there? >> cops believe they were possibly sighted in the area, but no one had saw them officially except for 6:00 p.m., when the three of them left the home sunday night. >> i'm hearing in my ear with me right now eric jen wrga radio. eric, what's the latest? >> yes. thank you, nancy. we do have some breaking news on this story. all three children have now been found. the two twin boys have been reunited with their parents. the 13-year-old, janet, has been taken to northeast georgia medical center, where she'll be medically cleared there. >> wait. the 13-year-old is in a medical center? >> yes. and we don't know the details surrounding that other than that a hall county juvenile court judge has issued a detention order, which needs to be evaluated at that hospital. and again, anything more detailed beyond that would be speculation at this point. they were just found moments ago. about four to five miles away from their residence. >> joining me right now, chief frank hooper. he is the chief of police in gainesville. chief, it's a pleasure to have you on with us. where were they found, chief? >> thank you, nancy. we found them here locally in town probably about -- it was about four to five miles from their residence. it was in an area of town here that's predominantly a hispanic community. and we were able to follow up on leads. our investigators had really been working on this case ever since 2:00 a.m. yesterday, when the parents first reported these children missing -- >> holy moly. 2:00 a.m. on sunday morning? >> yes, ma'am. >> so it took eight hours for the parents to report them missing. they were doing their own search during that time, correct? >> yes. that's apparently what happened. the children were last seen by the parents about 6:00 p.m. there at the home. she was taking the two brothers, who were 7-year-old twins, she said, for a walk. and they never returned. and of course the parents looked for them, but they didn't notify us until 2:00 a.m. sunday morning. >> chief hooper, chief frank hooper is with us from gainesville. chief, you said they were about five miles away. where? >> it was at a residence. >> what in the world were they doing five -- was it a family friend? five miles away at the residence, somebody didn't think to call the parents? >> no, ma'am. it would appear that they had friends at this location. and our investigators most of the day were pretty close behind these kids, and it looks like when they were spotted at this carnival last night, this was before they'd even been reported mittsing. so had we gotten the report earlier, that's a lead we could have followed up on immediately. we weren't able to follow up on that lead. and sometime around midnight it would appear the kids kind of went to ground at a residence somewhere and didn't resurface until later on today. and we developed additional leads that we could follow up. >> chief hooper, how'd you do it? how did you find them? >> well, just good hard old-fashioned police work. like i said, we dedicated about four to five investigators and of course a lot of patrolmen to this case and diverted them. they were out knocking on doors in neighborhoods. and our school system here is out on fall break. so we had to basically go knock on doors and try to identify friends -- >> i heard all about fall break. it used to be columbus day. chief frank hooper, you know, this happens so rarely that we have a miracle like this. marc klaas, weigh in. >> well, kudos to the chief and his investigators for taking this seriously and doing what they needed to do. now, in hindsight i think the parents -- what parents need to understand is that time is the enemy in all of these cases. 74% of children that are murdered as a result of an abduction are murdered within the first three hours. therefore, it's incumbent upon them to know who their kids' friends are, to know the routes that they use, and to make that search very, very quickly. and if they don't recover the kids very quickly, then get a hold of law enforcement and let them do what the chief and his people did so well, which is go out, find the kids. as the chief said, they could have found them at the carnival and resolved this much more quickly and resolve these things and bring these happy endings along. now, i would also suggest that if parents are going to send three young children like that out for a walk the 13-year-old should have an open, on cell phoneopen, on cell phone for all of the reasons we've spoken about earlier and so the parents can call them and say, where are you, should it get too dark. >> chief hooper, chief frank hooper is joining us. chief hooper, why is the 13-year-old girl in the hospital? >> she was taken to the northeast georgia medical center to be medically cleared and also she had a history -- we've investigated her before as a runaway. so, of course, we were immediately concerned about that, but then her two 7-year-old twin brothers were with her so that really ramped the case up. >> everyone, tonight, a miracle. these three have been gone, missing, since sunday, but they have been found. chief hooper, thank you so much. and to you, eric jones, matt zarrell, thank you. as we go to break, thank you for your thoughts and your prayers for our friend, felony prosecutor, eleanor odum. she was out working out, thought she had heartburn, went to the doctor, they didn't let her go home. she completed triple bypass surgery like a champ. she's on the mend. in fact, i took her a casserole today. god bless eleanor. investigators have been walking on doors, running down leads. school system is out for fall break right now so that does make things a little more difficult. they're out looking and talking to classmates. still trying to run down possibly where these children could be at. >> law enforcement has issued missing child alerts for not one, not two, but three brothers and sisters. police say 13-year-old jenna took her 7-year-old twin brothers for a walk sunday evening but they never came back. mom and dad called police after their couldn't find the kids. the children, possibly last seen at the blue ridge shopping center where a local carnival is going on. tonight police need your help. >> janet villanuva, age 13, alexander and alexis, 7-year-old brothers, miracle tonight, have been found. to pennsylvania. hi. >> caller: how are you? >> i'm good, dear, what's your question? >> caller: i want to say my thoughts and prayers go out to your mother. me and my husband watch you every night and he loves you. he's going to be so proud i got through. we've been trying for so long. my question is, where were the parents at? >> good question. >> caller: if the girl was a runaway, why would they let her take these two little babies by herself? >> to eric jens, wrga radio, what about it? >> that's obviously a judgment question and in hindsight it seems a very ill-advised decision if they did give them permission to all three leave in such a situation. you know, obviously it doesn't seem like it was a good call but the good news, of course, is that all three are now back and hopefully lesson learned. >> to chief frank hooper. what about it, chief? >> of course, that's a question we'll be asking as we complete our investigation in this case, but one thing i can't say enough about, we activated the child is missing program initially last night, which is a phone system that calls residents in the neighborhood and lets them know these children are missing, give a description. that helped also to develop loads. that's a great system we can utilize. nancy, we appreciate you getting the word out because folks don't forget about the victims as long as they've got a voice. >> you know, chief hooper, i really appreciate that, and god bless the children and, chief, thank you for what you and your force did in finding these children alive. everyone, let's stop and remember air force senior airman. 21, indianapolis, indiana. her family's third generation female to serve. also served afghanistan where she mentored local women. loved writing, social development, photography, animals, dreamed of being a veterinarian. leaves behind parents vicki and mark. brother, levi. four sisters. ashton goodman. american hero. thanks to our guests but especially to you for being with us. i'll see you tomorrow night 8:00 sharp, eastern, and until then, good night, friend. coming up next, president obama has a lot going on. he's under fire from the right for winning the nobel peace prize. exactly how did this become a bad thing? and the gay community wants to know when he's going to repeal the military don't ask/don't tell policy. the chief executive is saying don't worry. but they are. finally, in show biz news, jimmy kimble is dating a co-worker. is he the only late night host who didn't get the memo? all that and more on "the joy behar show" tonight. tonight, is the right really outraged that president obama won the nobel peace prize? or are they just ticked off because tom delay didn't win "dancing with the stars?" then obama vows to end don't ask/don't tell and the gay community is asking when already? plus, ed begly jr. on what it feels like to be run over by rush limbaugh. all this and more, tonight. apparently winning the nobel peace prize is now a political liability. at least according to obama's detractors. helping me pick through the gop's sour grapes are k.t. mcfarlin, former deputy assistant secretary defense in the reagan administration and roy seakoff, founding editor of "the huffington post." he won the nobel peace prize, k.t., why didn't he deserve it? >> what's he done? by my count he's made seven terrific speeches but not signed one peace treaty, not stopped one nuclear weapon from being developed, hasn't softened adversary hostile speeches. so i understand the importance of making the signal, but he's not done anything to accomplish it. i would contrast that to my old boss, ronald reagan. hundreds of millions of people freed from the depression, tens of thousands -- >> he didn't do that himself. to take credit for that -- >> gorbachev gave him credit. >> gorbachev is a gentleman. he's going to take credit for that? >> i think credit goes to a number of people but i think the instigator of a lot of it was ronald reagan. >> ronald reagan is always invoked as if he created -- he did everything for the republican party that was never done again. bush undid everything he did. >> but joy, ronald reagan didn't get an honorable mention from the nobel committee. i have to make the argument -- >> they never said it was on objective panel. >> the real question is, did obama deserve it? i don't think even he would say he deserved it. >> he was very gracious. >> here's the question. where's the venom? where is the vitriol coming from from the right? it's outrageous. it's one thing to say we're having a discussion on the huffington post now. some people say he defshed it, some people say he didn't. the likes of rush limbaugh to say -- >> he's angry naturally. listen to this tirade. >> can you imagine, folks, how big obama's head is today? i didn't think it could get any bigger, but i think his head's now growing so big that his ears actually fit. liberal sellouts get this prize. george bush liberates 50 million muslims. ronald reagan liberates hundreds of millions of europeans, saves parts of latin america, any awards? no. just derision. obama gives speeches trashing his own country and he gets a prize for it. >> he's so jealous and angry it seems to me because the guy got the nobel -- first of all, iraq, 100,000 civilians were killed in iraq. let's not give credit to george bush for that. in latin america, what did he do in latin america? what did he do there? >> reagan did an awful lot of things throughout the world -- >> the peace prize worthy of that. el salvador, very worthy of the peace prize. >> nuclear weapons, intermediate, the short-range nuclear weapons. it was a class of weapons not just reduced, eliminated. >> let me ask you this -- >> no. >> i'll take you on. >> remember when limbaugh said, i didn't want him to fail, it wasn't about america, it was about his policies. listen to that. he said he wanted to be on the same side of hamas and the taliban. he thought that was hilarious. >> rush limbaugh is, a, not the republican party. to have a serious conversation about thirks i think this presented president obama with a much bigger problem. >> which is? >> there's no yardstick. there's no benchmark of, okay, because if you look through the announcement that the nobel peace prize, the nobel committee said, they said they were give lg it to him in hopes for his quest for nuclear disarmament throughout the world. what happens if a year from now iran has nuclear weapons? north korea successfully attacks nuclear weapons -- >> he would have failed. that doesn't stop the committee from giving h ima prize. >> i think obama was gracious with his statement. >> k.t., you give him no points for the fact he changed the conversation in the world? they hated us up until george bush was out of office. >> okay, joy -- >> the world hated us. >> what have we gotten for it? >> we don't know yet. >> have we gotten russia to help us out? >> you're supposed to have something in your hand immediately. he's working on it. the fact people don't hates and want to kill us -- with the same ver ferocity is a big deal. >> he went to europe and the europeans now love us. what have we gotten to it? >> he went to tie row. that was more significant. >> tell me one thing -- we haven't gotten anything from this. haven't gotten european cooperation in afghanistan, didn't get european cooperation in the bank bailout. what have we got. in the middle east? in the middle east we haven't gotten those countries to step up to stop -- >> i agree with you. >> he's in office for nine months. >> he's not running for prom king. he's president, commander in chief. >> it's not his fault he's popular. you like the kid in high school that's mad that the guy got -- she's the prom queen and you're not. >> if he gets something for miss popularity, think it's terrific. so far he hasn't gotten anything that helps my country. >> listen to rnc chairman michael steele, what he said. he used the win to try to make some money. this is brilliant. oh. okay. here's a fund-raising letter he sent. it's a stunning if not truly surprising indication of just how meaningless a once honorable and respected award has become. what has president obama actually accomplished? please support gop elected officials by making a contribution of $25, $50, $100, $500 or $ 1,000 today. >> car pay diem. it he can make -- >> the anger works. the guy, joe wilson, the guy who yelled "you lie" has made more money than he spent in his entire campaign. i awe gree with you on the fact that tl is a danger for obama with afghanistan. he's making the decision, is he going to go 15,000 more, 40,000 more? if we see civilian casualties and the inevitable blood shed, remember the famous line that irony died when henry kissinger got the nobel prize -- >> i worked for kissinger for seven years. i think henry kissinger changed the world. had the opening to china, the first ever -- >> he got the peace prize for stopping bombing people in cambodia -- >> he was forgiven for cambodia? he should get the peace prize? that's like saying, now geshs is now becoming an advocate for nuclear disarmament. >> china, middle east -- >> yeah, exactly. >> good, no many smacking around. >> "saturday night live" poked fun at the award. listen to this. >> now, this prize bestowed by the nobel committee in norway is given annually to individuals who have made significant contributions to world peace. jimmy carter won it for decades of trying to find solutions to international conflicts. al gore, his years of educating u.s. about climate change. us, well, i won it for not being george bush. >> good enough reason for me. >> that is a serious point you're making. >> setting up a credibility gap. >> what's the point i'm making? >> you're making the point after eight years of dark, disengagement, the world is saying, thank you. >> the sun is coming out. >> so, i mean, i think it's premature -- >> i think is a premature unless he has substantive things to back up. the world has said, we're anointing you. we're expecting a lot of great things from you. what happens if he doesn't get those great things? >> that's another story. he's not a bully. why can't the right wing of your party understand you can be diplomatic and not a bully and accomplish something? why is that not in their discussion patterns? >> when you go back to ronald reagan where you say everybody -- >> move it along. >> ronald reagan was able to talk the talk and walk the wauk and be gracious about it. i think president obama was very gracious in his statement at the white house. >> gracious? wait, wait, wait. >> hey, come on, he knows he doesn't deserve it. you know what he should do when he goes to -- tom friedman had a great article over the weekend saying president obama should go and when he accepts that award, he should say i'm accepting this on behalf of the american military. >> maybe he will do that. >> i hope he does. >> that's the point. i think they really were awarding the american ideal and that's what limbaugh was trashing and that's what the rnc was trashing. that's the problem. remember the little giddy dance they did when we didn't get the olympics? >> you two are fabulous. k.t., come back again. thanks to my guests. a little later i'll have a lot more to say about these right wing nuts and their attacks on obama. up next, don't ask, don't tell under fire from gays and lady gaga. oh, yeah. >> obama, i know that you're listening. are you listening? he was drunk and he cornered me in the editing room. >> cornered you? >> yes. and i backed him off. i told him i was married and he was embarrassed and he left. >> you must have been really shocked. >> i was. believe me. >> but nothing happened? because nothing could have happened because you're married? >> tom, i swear on my mother's laf. >> you sure you want to do that? >> that was the scene from "mad men" where sal, a closeted gay man is fired after a male client hits on him. that fictional show takes place in 1963, but the reality in 2009 is that gays are still discriminated against. thousands marched on washington yesterday in protest and to ask obama to keep his promises to the gay community. joining me to discuss this are dan savage, author and columnist and brian batt, oegingly gay actor, designer and activist. welcome to the show. i love the show. it's really great. it's just -- i love it. that took place in 1963, that scene. where you would be fired if you were gay on madison avenue, which is shocking to me. >> very shocking. the sad thing is it can happen today. there are laws -- >> not on madison avenue? not in the advertising industry? >> no, not now. >> they'd have to fire everybody. >> when you're compared to the rest of the country -- compared to the rest of the country madison avenue isn't that big of a street. there are a lot of other places where it could happen and still does happen, unfortunately. my characters are closeted. >> and married. >> and married which unfortunately still happens. we cannot still be ourselves. it's very telling. you know, reflects what's happening today. >> it's so dangerous to be in that situation, because a lot of men are on what they call the down low which is dangerous for the wives. >> for the wives, the women in their live and the men -- they're living -- it's living a lie. it's not what i was taught. >> saturday, president obama addressed this seemingly slow progress on gay rights. listen. >> my commitment to you is unwavering even as we wrestle with these thunderstorm problems and while progress may be taking longer than you would like as a result of all that we face, and that's the truth, do not doubt the direction we are heading and the destination we will reach. >> dan, we know that obama is trying to get rid of don't ask/don't tell. why is he taking so long? he can just with a stroke of a pen get rid of it. what's up? >> do we know that he's trying to get rid of don't ask/don't tell? obama has the authority to right now to suspend enforcement of don't ask/don't tell. members of congress sent him a letter asking him to do that. they say they can't because they're governing a closely-divided country. wide majorities of americans, liberal, democrats, conservatives, republican, weekly churchgoers, support by supermajorities the repeal of don't ask/don't tell. obama suffers no political blowback for suspending its enforcement while congress works on repeal. he won't do tt. the speech on saturday was great. we've heard it before. we heard it during the campaign. we heard it at the white house earlier this year after gay activists kicked up a fuss. we're sick of hearing this speech. we want to hear movements of action. >> bonnie frank was quoted as saying all they did was make spots on the grass, that it's a wait of time to go to washington on the weekend where everybody is away. >> barney frank is a national treasure and one of my heroes. i went to the gay march on washington in 1987 and made an impression on the grass and didn't see my congressman. it changed me for the rest of my life and it was extremely empowering. there's a lot of ripples that emerge from a march like that, and it's all over the newspapers today. these issues are being discussed because of the march. you know how the news business works. you need a hook. we are with that hook that the march created. we're discussing all these issues again and discussing really -- the gay community is holding obama and his administration accountable for their inaction. >> all this talk, ms. napolitano, the homeland security lady at "the view." she says he's dragging his feet because he wants it to be right. >> it is right. >> he wants to do it in the right way. it was very vague. >> can i bring up something janet napolitano did, herself? there's something called a widow's penalty. when you marry someone -- your american spouse dies before your marriage is two years old, you will be deported. it's offensive and unjust. janet napolitano has suspended enforcement of the widows' penalty while congress works on changing the laws. janet napolitano has authority barack obama doesn't? >> isn't she gay? >> i never slept with her. >> you know what, guys? neither have i. so who knows. you also lose your social security if your spouse dies if you're not married. you're not allowed if you go from state to state to be in the emergency room or in the o.r. and make decisions if you're not married in a different state -- if you're married in oklahoma, let's say, that will never happen, but let's say, and you get sick in texas, the partner cannot make a decision for you. >> there was just a case in florida where a lesbian suffered a brain aneurism when she was in florida with her female partner and the three children they raised from birth, they had been together more than two decades. the hospital barred the woman's partner from her bedside as he died. she died alone in her bed without her children, her partner by her side. they had domestic partnership, powers of attorney. all the forms were faxed to the hospital. the hospital wouldn't let them to their bedside because they weren't legally married. they said to this woman's face, florida is a an anti-gay state. >> florida, you can't trust a state that's shaped like a penis. brian, you were raised in a very conservative family. >> i would say pretty conservative. new orleans background. >> why do you think people are against gay marriage? >> i think they don't understand it. i think people have a hard time wrapping themselves around a concept or something that they just don't understand, themselves. it's a selfish act, i think. >> a lot of things people don't understand. >> people didn't want women to vote. people didn't want plaqblacks t have the same right whites did. it does happen eventually. that's why we supposedly elect firms that do the right thing, not necessarily the most popular thing. a lot of times the most popular thing is not -- >> that's right. >> black people on the vote, people on the vote. we're constantly told whenever we are facing mementos social change if we take this step that the sky is going to fall. the sky never falls. women get the vote and public endures. jim crow is done away it. segregation is done away with. we should stop paying attention to the people who predict social catastrophe when there's civil rights progress because they're always wrong. >> we don't learn from history. there is a rift within the gay movement, itself, right, dan, between the younger and the older gays, the younger seem to be much more anxious to get this moving and the older are, like, well, he has a lot on his plate. am i right? >> i'm 45 so i'm officially older. i'm extremely impatient. there's a lot of people out there. certainly the younger generation feels entitled to their full civil rights. thai no longer willing to play patty cake and wait. they're driving this movement. the power players and people behind the scenes don't speak for those people. those people are going to make their own voices heard. >> god bless them. >> thank you so much for coming on this show. maybe they should take a page, the nra lobbies and the aarp. brian, thanks. dan, see you again later. first, the youngest baldwin joins me next. my next guest is from hollywood royalty and he and his family play a big role in the breast cancer fight through the carol m. baldwin breast cancer research fund. joining me, actor stephen baldwin. welcome to the show. >> thank you. >> if you're hollywood royalty, before we get to the cancer conversation, who's the king of the family? come on? >> without question. >> without question, he's the king? >> i just got asked the question if i ever seriously needed a large amount of money, who would i go to? i said, alec. he's got the most and it would probably be bail money and at least $5 million. i'd have to go right to alec. >> all right. your family's very close. we're talking about your mother's illness. she survived cancer. >> sure. 19 year survivor. absolutely. >> must have been difficult with all the children to have a mother who was very ill with breast cancer. tell us about that a little bit. >> well, when my mom was diagnosed it was a year before my wedding, which i've been married 19 years. she didn't say anything. typical baldwin dysfunction, she just kept her mouth shut and didn't want to ruin the wedding. oh, gosh, mom, thanks, now we find out you have breast cancer. it was pretty far along. she eventually had a double mastectomy and has been a tremendous crusader ever since. >> when was the caroline baldwin fund started? >> over ten years ago. >> ten years ago. what's your part in the organization? >> there's two chapters. there's an upstate syracuse organization and downstate long island organization. daniel and myself work on the upstate one. alec and billy do the one in long island. we do golf tournaments, events, black tie galas. annually they have a motorcycle ride that mom puts on the old pink helmet and rides in the side car of a harley davidson. >> wacky group, but they're fun, the baldwins. do you all get along with each other? >> very well. >> do you ever fight with alec politically. >> he doesn't agree with you on politics. >> i'll put it to you this way. we were hanging out a few months back. he said, who would ever thought? i said, what? little stephen, born again, conservative and republican. i said, i'm a registered independent. he said, we all know you're a republican sympathizer. you know -- >> you're a born-again christian, too, right? >> that's right. >> do you think god has helped your mother to get better? >> oh, absolutely. >> you do? >> i think god is sovereign and he allows and doesn't allow for things to happen, so if she's still here, then i would say it's his will. >> really? see, i don't understand that when people talk like that because there are a lot of bad things that happen in the world, too. is god responsible for the bad as well as the good? >> no. god allows the bad. he allows the bad. >> what do you mean he -- >> god allows the devil to do what he does. >> oh, the devil? >> yeah. >> what does the devil look like? >> do you have children? >> i two. >> did you discipline them? >> no. >> never? >> she was a perfect child. >> never once? >> no, i didn't. i don't believe in the devil. >> you asked me before the program, was ascared of you? when you do that, i get scared. >> what are you scared of? >> you're quite ferocious, joy. >> i'm ferocious? alec is not afraid of me. >> alec's alec. >> i wish he'd come on the show more often. >> has he not been on yet. >> not on this show. he was on with me on "larry king." >> he'll be on. >> he'll be on and talk about you if you want him to. >> he'll say nothing about how much he loves me and how much fun we have okay, kid, it was nice to have you. i hope i didn't scare you too much. >> i survived. >> i'm a very nice person. i just have questions that i ask all the time. thank you, stephen. up next, another late-night host finds himself in hot water over an office romance.