Transcripts For CSPAN Republican Presidential Candidates Debate 20160214

We must restore our place as the leader of the free world. We are going to make America Great again. Cbs news brings you the republican residential debate. Moderator good evening, i am john dickerson. President , the first we are going to hear from the first six men that have to be the next nominee. They are here for their ninth debate. The first in the south primary is a week from today. George washington wrote that the truth will ultimately prevail when there is pain taken to bring it to life. We go to shut it shed light on this as the denton and make their decisions. We start us on stage. [applause] dickerson with us tonight, our retired neurosurgeon ben carson of florida. [applause] senator marco rubio of florida. [applause] Businessman Donald Trump of new york. [applause] senator ted cruz of texas. [applause] former governor jeb bush of florida. [applause] and Governor John Kasich of ohio. [applause] now, as most of you have heard by now, Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia died today at the age of 79. He was the longestserving member of the Court Appointed by president reagan in 1986. Justice scalia was the court leading conservative, and even those you disagree with his opinions regarded him as a brilliant legal scholar. Please join us and the candidates on our state in a moment of silence for Justice Antonin Scalia. Thank you. Well talk with the candidates about Justice Scalia and the road ahead when the debate begins in a moment. Dickerson before we get started, candidate, here are the rules. You have one minute to answer a question and 30 seconds more if we ask a followup. If you are attacked by another candidate you get 30 seconds to respond. Here is how we keep time. After we ask a question you would get a green light. The yellow light means you have 30 seconds left to finish your answer. My time is up, the right turns red. That means please stop talking. If you keep talking you will hear this. [bell] you dont want to hear that. During the is Major Garrett and kimberly suffolk from the wall street journal. Throughcan participate your partnership with twitter. Treat us your comments using the gop debate. Lets begin. The death of Justice Scalia, dr. Trott mr. Trump, i want to start with you. If you were president and had a chance with 11 months to go in would be an abdication to conservatives in particular not to name a conservative justice for the rest of your term . I weretrump if president now, i would certainly want to try and nominate a justice. Im sure frankly, i am absolutely sure president obama will try and do it. I think the senate will be able, mitch and the entire group will be stepping about it. Do something about it. This is a tremendous blow to conservativism, a tremendous blow to our country. Dickerson to be clear, you are ok with the president nominating somebody . Donald trump i think he is going to do it whether i am ok with it or not. T is up to Mitch Mcconnell it is called delay, delay, delay. [applause] dickerson governor kasich, i want to get your thoughts on this. Justice scalia with a real believer in the strict word of the constitution. Harry reid says if we do not fill the vacancy it would be a shameful neglect of one of the senate house additional abilities. Constitutional responsibilities. Amazing, notit is only two minutes after the judge , nine children here and their father did not wake up, his wife is sad. I just wish we had not run so fast into politics. Heres my concern about this. The country is so divided right now, and now we are going to see another partisan fight taking place. I really wish the president would think about not nominating somebody. If he were to nominate, lets have them think somebody that is going to have unanimous approval instead of partisanship. This can happen without a lot of recrimination. I would like the president for first,t the country go we are going to have an election soon. People will understand what is at stake in the election. I believe the president should not move forward. I think we ought to let the next president of the United States decide who is going to run the Supreme Court with a vote of the people. [applause] , you like dr. Carson others put out a statement after the death was announced, and you said the president should delay. You of written a book on the constitution recently. What does the constitution say about whose duty it is to act in this kind of situation . Ben carson the consultation does not address that particular situation, but the fact of the matter is the Supreme Court is obviously a very important part of our governmental system. In our constitution was put in place, the average age of death was under 50. Therefore, the whole concept of Lifetime Appointments for Supreme Court judges in federal court judges was not considered to be a big deal. Obviously, that has changed, it is something that needs to be looked at pretty carefully at some point. We need to start thinking about the divisiveness that is going on in our country. I look at the remarks people made after finding out Justice Scalia had died, and they were truly nasty. We have managed to get to that position, it is a shame. We should be thinking about how we can create healing in this. Right now we are not going to get healing with president obama. It is very clear. [bell] i totally agree that we should not allow a judge to be appointed during his time. [applause] youerson senator rubio, are a lawyer. Can you address the issue of the constitution whether it tells who has the power to appoint Supreme Court justices . Last year, they talked about removing the filibuster for the senate for Supreme Court nominations. You seemed open to that. What is your feeling on that . Marco rubio the me first talk about Justice Scalia, our hearts go out to him. You talk about someone who defended consistently the original meaning of the constitution, who understood it was not to be interpreted based on the fad of the moment, but according to its original meaning. He understood that better than anyone in the history of the republic. Case, independent counsel his dissent is a brilliant piece of work. Number two, i do not believe the president to appoint someone. It has been over 80 years since a lameduck president has appointed a Supreme Court justice. It reminds us how important this election is. Someone on this stage will get to choose the balance of the Supreme Court, and it will begin by feeling this vacancy now. We need to understand the constitution is not a living and breathing document but interpreted as originally meant. [applause] dickerson very quickly, on this specific question you were once in favor of dropping the threshold. Marco rubio no. Dickerson you were never in favor . Marco rubio appellate judges can now be given by supreme majority, but not Supreme Court. I do want that to change. If we were not in charge of the senate, harry and barack obama would ram down our throats liberal justice like the ones he has appointed already. Dickerson all right. Republicantime, president s have pointed justices who have not been real conservatives. Bernie sanders has his litmus test or this. Do you have one . Jeb bush not a specific issues. If i am president , i will nominate people that have a proven record in the judiciary. Have appointed people thinking you can get it through the senate because they did not have a record. The problem is sometimes we are surprised. The simple fact is the next president needs to appoint someone with a proven conservative record similar to Justice Scalia, a lover of liberty. Someone with that philosophy that did not try to rule from the bench, and then fight and fight for the nomination to make sure it passes. Of course the president has every right to nominate Supreme Court justices. I am article to guy. Guy. Rticle ii there should be a consensus orientation on that nomination. There is no doubt in my mind barack obama will not have a consensus pick when he submits that person to the senate. [applause] cruz, the senator constitution says the president with consents from the senate. He does have constitutional power. You dont think he should. Are president , does it begin in Election Year, september, november . Would you abide by that date . Ted cruz we have 80 years of president s not confirming Supreme Court justices in an Election Year. In wereor the ma there any nominated in an Election Year . Fortis, lbj nominated but he was defeated. Dickerson the kennedy confirmed him in 19 ted cruz appointing in this case it is both. Dickerson i just want to get the facts straight for the audience. [booing] ted cruz Justice Scalia was a legal giant. He was somebody i knew for 20 years. He was a brilliant man, faithful to the constitution. He changed the arc of american legal history. His passing tonight, our prayers are with his family and his wife who he adored, his nine children and 36 grandkids. It undermines the stakes of this election. Away from alection Supreme Court that will strike down every case on abortion. Ofy could reports one Justice Scalias seminal decisions on upholding the Second Amendment. They could undermine the religious liberty of millions of americans. The stakes for this year for the senate, the senate needs to stand strong and say we are not going to give up the u. S. Supreme court for a generation by allowing barack obama to make one more liberal appointee, and then for the state of South Carolina, one of the most important judgment for the people of South Carolina to make is who on this date [bell] has the character and strength of resolve to nominate and confirm principal constitutionalists to the court. That is what i will do. [applause] dickerson thank you, senator cruz. Lets move on to National Security. I want to read a quote from secretary robert gates, who served for under eight president s. This is what he said about republican candidates. Part of the concern i have about the campaign is the solutions he offered are so at odds with how the world really works. Mr. Trump, i will start with you. He said you would get up to speed very quickly, you would know more than any of the experts. You have been elected president , it is your first day in the situation room. What do you after National Security experts about the world ask your National Security experts about the world . When do we want to do it and how hard we want to hit. We also need to learn who are allies are. We are spending billions of dollars supporting people we have no idea who they are in syria. Do we want to state that route or go and make something with russia . Ate to say iran, but maybe it was one of the worst deals i ever seen negotiated. A very important [applause] not only a disgrace but an embarrassment. It very important, who are fighting for, what are we doing . We have to rebuild the country, but do not go into iraq, do not hightech iraq. Attack iraq. , but iot a politician said it and i said it loud and clear. And that is what happened. [bell] i also set a check the oil, update the wealth away and keep the oil. They just started listening a few months ago. [applause] dickerson senator rubio, 30 seconds on this, are those the questions you would ask . You what to get on top of what we are doing in the pacific region. Originally in the middle east with a combination of the sunnishiite conflict that iran is trying to establish, and the growing threat of crisis. The third is reinvigorating nato and the europe theater. Vladimir putin is threatening the territory of multiple countries, controlled 20 of georgia and a significant percentage of ukraine. Dickerson let me ask you a followup. [applause] extremists are operating in 40 countries, some 80 are in different degrees of stability. That is the crisis overseas. Barack obama walked into an economic collapse. He faced International Health crises from ebola to zika. There is a lot of opportunity for crisis. What would you point to in your past to show you have been in a crisis and you have been tested when that comes when you are a president . Marco rubio one of the hardest decisions you will ever make in congress is when you are asked to use force. Your putting your name behind military action. Americans lose their lives in uniform. So barack obama said he would not take military action against assad unless authorized. It was hard. You look at the pictures. I thought the same pictures. Saw the same pictures. Little children gas and poisons by their own leaders. , and weg had to happen needed to seek retribution. And i looked at his plan. Barack obamas plan was unbelievably small, and i concluded that would not only help, it would make it worse. To thegoing to stand up United States, survivor strike, and strengthen us. It was difficult, and we only had a few days to look at it. I voted against it. He was the right decision. Dickerson dr. Carson [applause] you said you had more phone calls than anybody up on this stage. When those 2 00 a. M. Phone calls the, you operated on foundation of all the medical work you have done. If you are president s, you would not have the Political Foundation that how did those in space. Helen to those instincts when that comes. Is that a liability . Ben carson let me go back to your first question. Who nominates Supreme Court nominees. There was leftwing media that track to make a hay on that. Thank you for including me in the debate. Two questions already, this is great. [applause] as far those 2 00 a. M. Phone calls are concerned, judgment is what is required. The kinds of things you come up with are sometimes very difficult and very unique. One of the things i was known for is doing things that have not been done before. So no amount of experience really prepares you to do something that has never been done before. But as for judgment comes in. Of the situation we are in right now. We have never been here before with the kinds of threats that pose a real danger to our nation , and it comes in very handy in those situations. Dickerson governor kasich [applause] russia is being credited with bombing u. S. Rebels on behalf of assad. Moved intolso crimea, eastern ukraine. You said you wanted to punch them in the nose. What do you mean . John kasich we have to make it clear to russia what we expect. We need to make clear what we expect. We will arm the folks in ukraine were fighting for their freedom. They deserve it. No ifs, and, or but. Either in the nato countries or similar in sweden, it would be an attack on us. We have an opportunity as americans to put something great together again. Jordananians,dis, we look at europe and france, belgium, britain. Everybody is being threatened by radical islam. We have an opportunity to lead. The back of the matter is the world is desperate for leadership. Sometimes they may make a remark that we dont like, but frankly the world needs us. We have an opportunity to assemble a coalition of civilized people, those who respect civilization, the rights of women, the right to protest, we will reassert our leadership across the globe and make sure this century will be the best weve ever seen. [applause] , yourson governor bush said defeating isis requires defeating assad. You also put us in conflict with russia, a country that supports assad. So you think he is there to stay . That is the problem. The lack of leadership by barack obama, john kerry, Hillary Clinton, thinking this works. It is complete unmitigated disaster. To have russia influence in syria makes things harder. But he to destroy isis and dispose of assad to create a stable syria so that is not a breeding ground for a islamic jihadism. M russia is attacking our team, what we have been training and supporting. It is absolutely ludicrous to suggest russia could be a positive partner in this. They are on the run. Every time we step back, they are on the run. The question you asked, what you atuld do, 13 things wh three things, the sequester should be reversed. I would create a policy of containment as it relates to irans ambitions to make clear that we are not going to allow for iran to do what it is doing, which is look towards nuclear weapons. Though the be the foremost things we need to do. [bell] [applause] trump, you said you could get along with Vladimir Putin. You did at one point. Donald trump i like it so far. Jeb is so wrong. He is absolutely [booing] that is jebs special interest lobbyists talking. [booing] jeb is so wrong. Youve got to fight isis first. Have russia, iran, and syria. You have to knock out isis. These are animals. Knock them off. You decide what to do after. You cant fight two wars at one time. If you listen to him and some of the folks that ive been listening to, we have been in the middle east for 15 years and we have not won anything. We have spent 5 trillion with thinking like that. [applause] [bell] is you graham, something. We spent booing] i only tell the truth, lobbyists. We need to rebuild our country, rebuild our infrastructure. Listen to that, you will be there for another 50 years. Fact the very basic jeb bush the very basic fact is Vladimir Putin will not be an ally of the noted date. United states. They are attacking the troops we are supporting. We need to create a coalition, Led Coalition to destroy isis. You cant do that with a thought in power. Donald trump we support troops we dont even know who they are. [applause] we have no idea who they are. Dickerson we are going to leave that they are. This is the guy that makes Hillary Clinton is a great negotiator in iran. This is a man who insult his way through the nomination. Dickerson gentlemen, lets limit their i can ask a question to senator cruz, who is also running for president. [applause] about the first gulf war as being a model for your focus and determined efforts to go after isis. There were 700, and you do not have a ground components your plan. Why . Ted cruz we to focus on the objective. The three questions in this and we should situation room, i think it is a problem if we elect a commander in chief that does not have the background to face threats coming in on day one. If you look at the threat, one of the threat, National Security , nuclear iran. Why i would like to rip to shred the Iranian Nuclear deal. Anyone that thinks you can khomeini does not understand his nature. When it comes to isis, we have the problem of barack obama and Hillary Clintons foreign policy. And sadly, too many Establishment Republicans in washington. They focus on nation building, toppling governments to promote democracy and it ends up undermining our National Security. With isis, we need a commander in chief for war. They have declared war. [bell] we need overwhelming airpower, and we need to arm the kurds, and of renters are necessary we should employ them. It should not be politicians. It should be military expert judgment ring out the objectives set out by the commander in chief. [applause] quickly, 32ndy followup, 30 second followup, you mentioned ground ever. Crews can only work within their territory. If you dont, you have an ethnic war with arabs. He cant do as much as you seem to putting on their backs. Ted cruz they are winning victories right now. Isis is using American Military equipment they have seized in iraq. Obama refuses to help the peshmerga. We need to embed special forces to direct the overwhelming airpower if it is required to use Ground Troops to defeat isis, we should use them. We ought to start with using our incredible airpower advantage. The first persian gulf war we launched 1100 year attacks a day. Today it is 15 and 30. [bell] we are not using our tools because the commander in chief is not focused on defeating the amity enemy. Dickerson mr. Drum. [applause] monday, george w. Bush will campaign for his brother. You have often said the iraq war and your opposition was assigned of your good judgment. You said you were surprised democratic leader nestle nancy policy did not try to impeach him. You said it would have been a wonderful thing. When asked what you meant, you said for the war. He lied, got us into a war with lies. Do you still believe president bush should be impeached . As a businessman, i get along with everybody. I have business all over the world. I know so many of the people in the audience. I have my wife and my son. So, let me just telli know so me audience. Self funder. I get along with everybody, which is my obligation to myself. Obviously the war in iraq was a big, fat mistake. You can take it any way that you like, and it took jeb bush if you remember when he announced, it took him five days he went back. It was a mistake, it wasnt a mistake, it took him five days before his people told him what to say and he ultimately said it was a mistake. 2 trillion, thousands of lives, we dont even have it. Iran has already taken over iraq with the worlds secondlargest oil reserves. George bush made a mistake. We can all make mistakes, but that one was a beauty. We should never have been in iraq. We have destabilized the middle east. [bell] you think he should be impeached . [bell] they said that there were no pons of mass destruction they said there were weapons of mass destruction and they knew that there were none. Do i get to do five or six times question mark here is the deal. I am sick and tired of barack obama blaming my brother for all of the problems he has had. I could care less about the insults donald trump gives to me. Its bloodsport for him. He enjoys it, and im glad he is happy about it. I am sick and tired of him going after my family. My dad is the greatest man alive in my mind. While donald trump was building a reality tv show, my brother was building a Security Apparatus to keep us safe, and i am proud of what he did. And he has the gall mr. Trump the World Trade Center came down on your brothers watch. [booing] governor bush you had the gall to go after my mother. My mom is the strongest woman i know. Ors is not about his family my family. This is about the South Carolina families who need someone who is a commanderinchief who can lead. Dickerson governor kasich, please weigh in. Governor kasich ive got to tell you, this is just crazy, huh . This is just nuts. Geez, oh, man. Im sorry, john. Dickerson why is it not . Governor kasich listen, being in iraq colin powell, one of generalsdistinguished in modern times told us to work weapons of mass destruction, but the fact is we got ourselves in the middle of a civil war. The sunni, the shia, and the kurds have never gotten along. Wereorders of that country drawn after world war i by westerners who did not understand what was happening. The tragedy is we are still them embroiled. If there were not weapons of mass destruction, we should never have gone. I do not believe the united intes should involve itself civil wars. I served on the Defense Committee for 18 years and i was some of theal with most serious Security Problems we face. We should not be the policeman of the world, but when we go, we mean business, we will do our job, we will tell our soldiers, take care of your job and come home once you have accomplished the goal. That is what we need to do. Dickerson 30 seconds. Senator rubio on behalf of of me and my family i thank god all the time it was george bush in the white house during 9 11 and not al gore. I think you can look back in hindsight and sick couple safe. , but he kept us in no matter what you want to say about weapons of mass saddamtion, sodo hussein was in violation of international sanctions. He kept us safe mr. Trump how did he keep us safe when the World Trade Center came down . The world [booing] i lost hundreds of friends. The World Trade Center came down. He kept us safe . That is not safe. That is not safe. That is not safe. The world senator rubio the World Trade Center came down because bill clinton did not kill Osama Bin Laden when he had the chance to kill him. Mr. Trump george bush had the chance also and he did not listen to the advice of his cia. All right, dr. Carson can we have a clearing governor bush i am not going to invite donald trump to the rally. I am rescinding the invitation. Dickerson a moment of pause here you have said, dr. Carson, referring to yourself, that people bought into the idea that a nice person cannot be tough on terrorism. For looseningd the rules of engagement for the military that could lead to more civilian casualties. If ny those casualties would be acceptable in the fight against isis . Let me address the iraqis. I was not particularly in favor of this going to war in iraq, primarily because i have studied the middle east, recognizing those are nations ruled by dictators and has been for thousands of years. Ofn you go in and remove one those dictators, unless you have an appropriate plan for replacing them, you are going to have chaos. Fortunately, we were able to stabilize the situation and it was the Current Administration that turned tail and ran and destabilized the situation. Terms ofid that, in the rules of engagement, i was talking about obama has said we should not bomb tankers coming out of refineries because there might be people in their Army Environment might be heard. That is just asinine thinking. Fact of the matter is obviously you are not going to accomplish all of your goals [bell] without some collateral damage. You have to assess what is acceptable and what is not. You, dr. thank carson. We have to take a commercial break. Debate be back with the from greenville, South Carolina. Mr. Trump it is a disgrace. Senator rubio the constitution is not a living and breathing document. It is to be interpreted as originally meant. We need tosh dispose of isis and a side. Assad. Dickerson we are back with the president ial debate. The topic is funding. We will turn to Major Garrett and kim of cbs news. Trump you have made a lot of promises and you are the only candidate said he would not touch entitlements. It is estimated that your ideas would cost an additional 12 trillion dollars to 15 trillion and we would have to have Economic Growth anywhere from 7. 7 to 9 annually to pay for it. When you said the only candidate, when you listen to the democrats, they want to do many things to Social Security. Not of these folks are getting elected, ok, whether they can do it or not. I am going to use a Social Security. Im going to bring jobs back from china and mexico and japan and every country throughout the world. Vietnam, they are the new one. They are taking our base. We have had this discussion. Were going to make our economy strong again. I am lowering taxes. Twoave 2. 2 trillion off point 5 trillion offshore. I think we have more. The government has no idea as they have proven very well. You take a look. China bought the chicago stock exchange. China, a Chinese Company. A carrier is moving to mexico, airconditioning company. Nabisco and ford they are all moving out. We have an economy that last quarter [bell] gdp, did not grow, it was flat. We are dying. This country is dying and our workers are losing their jobs. On the only one who can take Social Security, believe me. But how would you actually do that . Can i ask you, because tremendousyou have waste, fraud, and abuse. That we are taking care of. That we are taking care of. Righte Social Security now, thousands and thousands of people who are over 106 years old. You know they do not exist. They dont exist. There is tremendous waste, fraud, and abuse and we are going to get it. But we are not going to hurt the people who have been paying into Social Security their whole lives and all of a sudden theyre supposed to get less. We are getting our jobs back and were going to make our economy great again. Want toenator cruz, we talk about Economic Growth and wage growth. You have proposed a consumption tax. You call it a flat tax. Some economists say it is akin to a value added tax. How does that work and how would you address the longstanding conservative concern that something approaching a value added tax it would be used to the common escalator of taxation, not of growth . Thetor cruz let me say at outset, everyone here understands, everyone at home understands the middle classes been left behind the last several years of the obama economy. Weve got to get people moving from parttime work two full time work. We all agree on that. It will not be solved with magic pixie dust. It will not be solved by declaring into the air let there be jobs. We have to understand the principles that made America Great in the first place. Where do we get Economic Growth if you look at cause and effect question mark every time we lessen the burden of washington on Small Business owners and job creators, we see an incredible economic effect. My tax plan, typical family of four, first 36,000, you pay nothing in taxes. No income taxes, no payroll taxes, no nothing. About that, everyone pays the same simple flat tempers and rate. It is flat and fair and you can s on aut your taxe postcard and we abolish the irs. And if you want to see the postcard, ive got it on my website. Major conservatives have flirted with this idea for a long time, but in europe where this exists, it has become an escalator of taxation and that have longservatives resisted it. What would you do to make sure that does not happen . Major, thez Business Flat Tax is not a vat. A vat in europe is a sales tax. It is not a sales tax. Fairly andmposed evenly across all businesses and one of the things that is critical, we are doing that in conjunction with abolishing the obamacare taxes, abolishing the payroll taxes, the biggest taxes they buy most working americans, and abolishing the death tax, which is cruel and unfair. And you asked about Economic Growth. [bell] senator cruz a simple flat tax newd produce 4. 9 million jobs, would lift everyones incomes by double digits. That is have you turned the country around, not just hoping and praying for it, but implementing policies kimberly ok, i have a question tax rate of anyone on the stage. You do that so you will have more revenue to pay for a tripling of the Child Tax Credit. Normally it is liberals who like to use the tax code to enforce social policy. Why should conservatives want that approach . Senator rubio this is their money. This is the money of parents. You dont r d tax credit unless you are working. Here is what i dont understand. Its a business take their money and invest in a use of equipment, they get to write it off their taxes. But if a parent invest money in their children, they do not . This does not make sense. Family formation is the most important [cheering] senator rubio my tax plan does create an additional Child Tax Credit so parents who are working get to keep more of their own money to invest in their children to go to school, to go to a private school, to buy a new backpack. If you are a parent and struggling, you know 50 a month newhe difference between shoes and not getting new shoes. I will have a tax plan that is profamily because the family is the most Important Institution in society. You cannot have a strong country without strong families. Kasich . governor governor kasich, in 2013, you pushed through a medicaid reform in your state over the objections of many republicans in your state. Total enrollment in overall cost in that program have gone well beyond what anyone expected, including yourself. How can you argue this overall growth fits in with conservative ambitions to significantly cut back on the size of federal welfare programs . Governor kasich those numbers are incorrect. Our Medicaid Programs are coming in below cost estimates and in the second year it grew at 2. 5 . Kimberly, let me tell you, when we expand medicaid and treat the mentally ill and they do not live under a bridge or in a , when we take the drug addicted and treat them in the prisons, we stopped the revolving door of people in and out of prisons and we save 22,500 a year. They get their lives back and the working poor get health care and a third of the people getting that health care are suffering very serious illnesses, particularly cancer. An 8 billionrom hole to a 2 billion surplus, we have cut taxes more than any other governor in america, by 5 billion, we have grown the number of jobs by 400,000 private sector jobs since i have been governor, our credit is strong, our pensions are strong, and friendly, we leave no one behind. Economic growth is not an end unto itself. We want everyone to rise and we will make them personally responsible for the help they get and that is the program we are driving in ohio, employee, people ought to look at ohio. Governor bush, either question, but you would like to jump in governor bush i admire that governor kasich is supporting spending more money on drug treatment and mental health, i a high priority across the country. And expanding obamacare is what he is talking about. We should be fighting obamacare, replacingobamacare, it with something totally different. When i was a private citizen, with thiss confronted choice. The governor was supportive of what john did. I was asked to go make the case against these [bell] and i did. Sh it was not expanded in South Carolina major jump in. Governor kasich first of all, when jeb was governor, his Medicaid Program grew twice as fast as mine. Its just a fact. With obamacare, i not only suited the administration sued the administration, but i did not expand medicaid. The fact of the matter is, we their to get people on feet and whats they are on their feet, we are giving them the training and the effort that they need to get work and pull out of that situation. [bell] caroliniansh south need to know this because the Cato Institute that grades governors on spending rank him right at the bottom Governor Haley ranked at the top. Let me finish this. Governor kasich hold on, major. Governor bush south carolinians want to elect the most conservative governor our candidate who can win. Governor kasich ive got to correct the record. The fact of the matter is, we went from an 8 billion hole to a 2 billion surplus, our credit is rock solid, and i dont know the people of this country and the state went to see everybody rise and they want to see unity and i do not want to get into all of this fighting tonight. The negative campaigning, im going to stay positive about what i want to do. From this perspective of Economic Growth, you have proposed a tax on Hedge Fund Managers. The americans for tax reform has said no republican should be for higher taxes on Capital Gains and many conservatives wonder if this proposal would undermine not only that philosophy but under current undercut your projection of Economic Growth under your presidency . Governor bush of course not. It will not have an impact on Hedge Fund Managers not just hedge fund people, but people in the business of investing other peoples money, getting capital Capital Gains treatment is not appropriately. They are grateful to make a lot of money, im sure. We lower the rate. Its not the end of the world that private equity people in hedge fund folks are getting treatment for the income they earn. Thats not problem at all. What we need to do is to reform the tax code, to simplify the rates to shift power from washington, d. C. That is what i did as governor of the state of florida. That stimulated seven out of eight years, florida led the nation in jobs growth. Major dr. Carson, before we go to break, could you give us is your sense of this conversation about medicaid or Economic Growth rate taxation . Dr. Carson first of all, let me mention on the tax issue, read about it. Go my tax plan has been praised by forbes, and it is based on real fairness for everybody. Povertys at the 150 level, but even people blow that have to pay something, because everybody has you have skin in the game. Talk about what other people have to pay and have no skin in the game. It deals with the Corporate Tax rate. Same. Ody pays exactly the as far as medicare and medicaid, my main goal is to get rid of obamacare and put the care back in the hands of im sorry, dr. Carson we have to go to commercial. The free market wants what it wants. We will be back to the republican president ial debate in greenville, South Carolina. Welcome back. We will begin the second half of the debate with one of the hottest issues in the campaign immigration. I have one question for mr. Trump. Mr. Trump, in the Republican National committees spanishlanguage response to the union, theye said, it is essential we find a legislative solution, talking about immigration, to find a permanent and humane solution to those who live in the shadows. What does that mean to you . Mr. Trump i want everybody taking care of, but we have to take care of our people in this country. We are not taking care of our people. We have no border. We have no control. People are flooding across. We can have it. We need a border. I am not opposing i will build a wall. I will build a wall. Remember this. The wall will be paid for by mexico. We are not being treated right. We are not being treated properly. If we dont have borders, if we do have strengths, we do have a country. People are floating across. We have to take care of our people, believe me. John senator rubio. Senators major rubio, the lines you would draw as president , what is amnesty . Senator rubio amnesty is freedom from consequence and i have never supported that. I think thereafter because be consequences for violating our immigration laws. Until, not make progress first, it illegal immigration is brought under control. You go back to 1986 when they legalize three money people and borderd to secure the and people lost trust in the federal government. It is clear the only way to make progress is not just to pass a law, but proved to people it is working. They want to see the wall built. They want to see the Additional Border agents. They want to ce everify. They want a tracking system. Stayinghe people illegally are entering legally and overstaying visas. I think the American People will be very reasonable, but responsible about how you handle someone who has been here a long time, who pays a fine and all they want is a work permit, but you cant do any of that until you prove to people it immigration is under control once and for all. [bell] senator cruz you have promised to deport illegal aliens. You promise to reverse president thats executive action gives temporary amnesty to illegal brought here by their parents his children. As children. You would have the names and addresses of 800,000 who have registered under that action. You have said we should not go doortodoor looking for illegals, but in this case you would have a list. Would you use it . Senator cruz your question highlights a sharp difference on immigration in this stage. And the republican primary, everyone talks tough on immigration. Everyone is against illegal immigration. But as voters, we have been burned over and over again by people who give a Great Campaign speech and you not walk the walk. There are sharp differences on amnesty. If you look of the folks on this stage, when harry reid and chuck and Establishment Republicans were leading the fight to pass and massive jeffty plan, i stood with sessions and steve king and the American People and led the fight to defeat that amnesty plan. Would you use the addresses . Would you pick them up . Senator cruz that moment is what reagan would call a time for choosing. Amnesty planumer [booing] apparentlyz supported by the donor class, which is why washington supported it, pass to the senate and was on the verge of passing the house. House leadership intended to take it up and pass it with the democrats overruling most of the republicans in the question for anyone is where were you in that fight . Where did you stand . You are right rid there is a difference between senator rubio and me on this question [bell] senator rubio we are going to have to do this again. Beinghat issue was debated, ted cruz said i want Immigration Reform to pass, i want people to come out of the shadows and proposed an been ant that would have 500 increase on guest workers. Now he is a passionate opponent of all those. He either wasnt telling the truth then or he is not telling the truth now. But to argue he is a purist on immigration senator cruz i get a response . Kimberly your response, senator cruz . Senator cruz the lines are very, very clear. Marco supports citizenship for 12 Million People here illegally. I oppose citizenship. Marco stood on the debate stage and senate, but marco has a long record when it comes to amnesty. He supported instate tuition for illegal immigrants. In spanishunivision and said he would not resend president obama fraley Legal Executive the on his first day tooffice or it i promised resend every single he executive action, including vast one including that 1 senator rubio first of all, i do not know how he knows what i said on univision because he does not speak spanish. Spanish]ruz [speaking this is abio disturbing pattern. For a number of weeks, ted cruz has just been telling lies. He lied about ben carson iowa, he lies about marriage, now he makes things up. The bottom line is, this is a campaign and here is the truth. Ted cruz supported legalizing people in this country illegally and only now senator cruz [indiscernible] that is knowingly false. [both talking at once] look at jeff sessions, who said without ted cruz, the rubioschumer the bill wasd have passed andted responsible. You should look to Rush Limbaugh and mark levin governor bush, bring this out to a wider philosophical place, if you would. Governor bush thank you. Illegalou said that immigrants broke the law, but its not a felony. Mr. Trump has, as you are well aware, denounced that statement over and over. What does it mean to you . Where you stand on Immigration Reform . Governor bush great question. I have to get into my inner Chris Christie and point out the reason why i should be president is listening to two senators talk about arcane amendments to bills but did not pass. This is the problem. We need a leader to fix this problem. Ive a detailed plan to fix just that, including dealing with the visa over stairs, making sure we have a path to legal status, not citizenship, learning was, dont commit crimes, work, pay taxes. Do you believe this amendment is insufficiently compassionate to this issue . Governor bush they come to this country because they have no other choice. That does not mean it is right. To ourld pick who comes country. We should controller border. Coming here illegally should be easier than coming here illegally, but the motivation they are not rapists, you know who said . They are not that. They are coming here to revive for their families. We should show more respect for the fact they are struggling. It does not mean we should not be controlling the border. That is exactly what we should be doing. Mr. Trump when i announced i was running for president on june 16, illegal immigration was not even a subject. Up, wed not bring it would not be talking about it. I do not often agree with marco and i do not often agree with case. Ut i can in this the weakest person on the stage by far on illegal immigration is jeb bush. They come out of an act of love is so weak it is laughable and Everybody Knows it. Governor bush this is the Standard Operating Procedure to disparage me. Thats fine mr. Trump spend a little more money on the commercials. Governor bush you want to talk about the weakness . It is weak to disparage women. It is weak to denigrate the disabled. And it is really weak to call john mccain a loser because mr. Trump i never called him governor bush thats outrageous. Hes an american hero. Ago, he saido days he would take his pants off and moon everybody and thats fine, nobody reports that. Hegets up and says that and tells me, oh, my language is a little bit rough here is my language areas give me a break. He governor kasich said the idea of the concept of supporting governor bush make sure my mother is watching the debate . [all talking at once] leave the moon metaphors to be adjudicated later, i assure you. Governor kasich, you said the concept, the idea of deporting 11 million undocumented workers in this country is not. Why are you so opposed to that idea . Is aor cruz has said it simple application of existing law. Why do you disagree . Get tor kasich before i that, this is the ninth of 10 debates. Watching this backandforth and these attacks, some of them are personal i think we are fixing to lose the election to Hillary Clinton if we dont stop this. Ie fact is you know what would suggest . What are we take all of the negative ads and comments down from television and lets just talk about what we are for and sell that and the Republican Party will be stronger as a result . Now as for immigration first of all, i am for sealing the border. Work, gon come in, back home. Border, it closed the believe, because special interests block it. With 11 Million People here. If they have not committed a tome, give them a path citizenship, make them pay a fine and back taxes. Run 11not going to Million People out of their homes. I will send a plan like this to the congress of the United States, and i will bet you it will pass. Proposal reasonable that the people in this country will support and so will the bulk of the congress of the United States. Moving subjects dr. Carson, Morgan Stanley agreed to pay a fine to state and federal authorities for contribute into the mortgage crisis. Democrats say we should be jailing more executives. Two questions. Should financial executives be held legally responsible, and do you think finds like these arent effective way to determine companies from future behavior like that . Dr. Carson please go to my immigrationread my policy. It actually makes sense. As far as these fines are concerned, here is the big problem youve got all of regulators andt they are running around for people to find. O fine. We have way, way too many agencies and they do not have anything else to do. What we need to do is start trimming the regulatory agencies rather than go after the people trying to increase the viability , economic viability of our society. Im not sure the way to solve that problem is increasing the regulatory burden. 2 trillion for family 24,000 per family. The is the same level as Poverty Level for a family of four. You want to get rid of poverty, get rid of all of the regulations. John senator cruz, ive a question. Speaker paul ryan has made a big commitment to trying to lift the 50 million out of poverty and Arthur Brooks from the American Enterprise institute says, if we are not warriors for the or hasy day, Free Enterprise been no matter. How are you a warrior for the poor . The people who have been hurt the most in the obama economy have been young people, hispanics, africanamericans, single moms. We have the lowest percentage of people working today as any year since 1977. Massive regulation does not work. What we need to do is bring back booming Economic Growth. Let Small Business you the heart of the economy. Two thirds of all jobs come from Small Business. I think of these issues from the perspective of my dad. In 1957. Ed cuba he had 100 in his underwear. He washed dishes making . 50 an hour. A pastor. Dad is he travels the country preaching the gospel. How would this impact my dad when he was washing dishes . In place,obamacare the odds are high my dad would have been laid off. Hisot, he would have had hours forcibly reduced. The burdensift to on Small Businesses and we need well for perform welfare reform to get people back to work. [bell] mr. Trump, i was with you in South Carolina, it was a bit chilly and you promised the crowd that if ford or a company toe it would move a factory mexico, you would stop it by imposing a 35 tax on every automobile sold. So, where would you derive that power as president . Wouldnt you need congress . And you think it would be good to threaten private industry . Mr. Trump i would build consensus with congress. I do not like the idea of using executive orders like our president. I think it is a disaster what he is doing. I would build consensus. You have to work hard. You have to cajole. You have to make deals. China the Chinese Company bought the Chinese Exchange carriers moving. If you saw the people because they have a video of the announcement i will tell you what. I would go right now and i would take, i am going to work awfully hard. You are going to make airconditioners now in mexico. Youre going to get all of these 1400 people laid off they were crying, it was a very sad situation. You are going to make airconditioners in mexico. You are going to cross our border with no tax. Consensus fromet congress. Stay where you are or build in the United States, because we are killing ourselves with trade pacts that are no good for us and no good for our workers. John all right, thank you so much. We will be back in a moment to the Republican Debate. Mr. Trump we are not taking care of our people. We have no border, we have no control. People are flooding across the river we cant have it. ted cruz lies. He lied about ben carson in iowa. Now he makes things up. Governor bush we should be fighting obamacare, repealing obamacare, replacing it with something totally different. John we are back from greenville, South Carolina with the candidates for the republican president ial nomination. President s have to be firm, but also flexible. Flexible and change your opinion on a number of things from abortion to Hillary Clinton. At the same time you are criticizing senator cruz for what he says is a change on immigration he disputes this, of course. White when you change your you changewhy when your opinion it makes you like reagan and when he does it, it is a character flaw . You do haveohn, flexibility. You have a plan, its a beautiful plan, you cant lose, the enemy makes a change, you have to change. Ronald reagan, we are talking about the great example. He was a somewhat liberal democrat who became a pretty strong conservative, most importantly became a great president. He made many of the changes ive seen as i grew up, ive seen as i got older and wiser and i feel i am a conservative. I also feel like i am a commonsense conservative because some of the views i dont agree with and i think i agree with me. I am not in love with eminent when jeb bush said you used that for a parking lot, it was not a parking lot. It was going to employ thousands of people. I got hit very hard. Understand they took over a they said texas and eminent domain, but they just found that out after the charge when they say they, talking about your brother. There are these areas where i disagree with my brother. Eminentld not use domain for a parking lot. Bridges, power lines. Not to take an elderly womans home to build a parking lot so high rollers can build casinos in atlantic city. That is not the appropriate thing to do. Cruz, youror response . Senator cruz flexibility is a good thing, but you should not be flexible on core principles. I like donald. Hes an amazing entertainer. Mr. Trump thank you very much. I appreciate it. Histor cruz for most of life, his policies have been very liberal. Himself as very prochoice. That is a matter of principle. Trump you are the biggest liar. You are probably bigger than jeb bush. This guy lied about ben carson when he talked of ben carson in iowa. And today we had robo calls trump isaying donald not going to run in South Carolina where i am leaving by a lot. This is the same thing he did to ben carson. This guy will say anything. Nasty guy. Now i know why he doesnt have one endorsement from any of his colleagues. Cruz don, i need to go on trump hes a nasty guy. Cruz i will say, it is fairly remarkable to see donald defending ben after he called, pathological, and compared him to a child molester. Both of which were offensive and wrong. But let me say this you notice donald didnt disagree with the substance that he supports taxpayer funding for planned parenthood. And donald has this weird pattern, when you point to his own record, he screams, liar, liar, liar. You want to go trump where did i support it . Where did i cruz you want to go trump again, where did i support it . Cruz if you want to watch the video, go to our website at tedcruz. Org. Trump hey ted, where i support it . Cruz you can see it out of donalds own mouth. Trump where did i support . Cruz you supported it when we were battling over defunding planned parenthood. You went on trump thats a lot of lies. Cruz you said, planned parenthood does wonderful things and we should not defund it. Trump it does do wonderful things, but not as it relates to abortion. Cruz so ill tell you what trump excuse me. Excuse me, there are wonderful things having to do with womens health. Cruz you see, you and i trump but not when it comes to abortion. Cruz don, the reasoned principle matters. The reasoned principle matters, sadly was illustrated by the first questions today. The next president is going to appoint one, two, three, four Supreme Court justices. If donald trump is president , he will appoint liberals. If donald trump is president , your Second Amendment will gone trump hold on cruz you know how i know that . Dickerson hold on, gentleman, im going to turn this car around. Trump ted cruz told your brother that he wanted john roberts to be on the United States Supreme Court. They both pushed him, he twice approved obamacare. Dickerson all right, gentlemen. Bush my name was mentioned twice. Dickerson well, hold on. Were going to gentlemen, were in danger of driving this into the dirt. Dickerson senator rubio, id like you to jump in here bush he called me a liar. Dickerson i understand, youre on deck, governor. Bush also, he talked about one of my heroes, Ronald Reagan. Ronald reagan was a liberal maybe in the 1950s. He was a conservative reformed governor for eight years before he became president , and no one should suggest he made an evolution for political purposes. He was a conservative, and he didnt tear down people like donald trump is. He tore down the berlin wall. Trump ok, governor. Bush he was a great guy. [applause] dickerson senator cruz, 30 seconds on this one. Cruz i did not nominate john roberts. I would not have nominated john roberts. Trump you pushed him. You pushed him. Cruz i supported trump you worked with him and you pushed him. Why do you lie . Cruz you need to learn to not interrupt people. Trump why do you lie . Cruz donald, adults learn trump you pushed him. Cruz adults learn not to interrupt people. Trump yeah, yeah, i know, youre an adult. Cruz i did not nominate him. I would not have nominated him. I wouldve nominated my former boss, Justice Scalias first law clerk. And you know how i know that donalds Supreme Court justices will be liberals . Because his entire life, he support liberals from jimmy carter, to Hillary Clinton, to john kerry. In 2004, he contributed to john kerry. Nobody who cares about judges would contribute to john kerry, Hillary Clinton, Chuck Schumer and harry reid. Dickerson were going to switch cruz thats what donald trump does. Dickerson were going to switch here to senator marco rubio. Senator marco rubio, please weigh in. Rubio on anything i want . Dickerson i thought you had a point . Rubio well, let me talk about poverty. Dickerson i thought you had a point you wanted to make. Rubio i do. Bush that was me. Rubio i had something important. Dickerson youre on deck, sir. Rubio the issue of poverty is critical, because for me, poverty is the is is Free Enterprise not reaching people. Today, we have antipoverty programs that dont cure poverty. We dont cure poverty in america. Our antipoverty programs have become, in some instances, a way of life, a lifestyle. Now, we do need antipoverty programs, you cant have Free Enterprise programs without them, but not as a way of life. And so i have a very specific proposal on this and i dont in 60 seconds, i cant describe it all, but it basically turns the program over to states. It allows states to design innovative programs that cure poverty, because i think nikki haley will do a better job curing poverty than barack obama. [applause] dickerson senator, i wanted to ask you, just going back to immigration, in the last debate, you listed your series of accomplishments in the senate. One thing you left off was was Immigration Reform. Is it the case that in your list of accomplishments you cant mention that . Rubio well, no. Its not the case. It didnt pass, and we havent solved immigration in this country. Its still a problem. It is worse today than it was three years ago, which is worse than it was five years ago. And it has to be confronted and solved. But the only way forward on this issue you asked a question about flexibility. Let me tell you about that. One of the things that you need in leadership is the ability to understand that to get things done, you must figure out the way to get it done. You will not pass comprehensive Immigration Reform. People do not trust the federal government. They want to see the law being enforced. They want to see illegal immigration come under control. They want to see that wall. They want to see everify. They want to see all of these things working, and then they will have a conversation with you about what do you do with people that have been here a long time that are otherwise, you know, not criminals. But theyre not going to do it until you first enforce the law. Dickerson dr. Carson, i have [applause] dickerson dr. Carson, i have a question for you. Candidates are carson before you ask the question, can i respond to the you know, they mentioned my name a couple of times. Dickerson all right. You have 30 seconds, doctor. Carson all right. Well, first of all, you know, so many people have said to me, you need to scream and jump and down jump up and down like everybody else. Is that really what you want . What we just saw . I dont think so. And you know, i when i got into this race, i decided to look under the hood of the engine of what runs washington, d. C. , and my first inclination was to run away, but i didnt do it because im thinking about our children and the fact that we are the United States of america. And anybody up here is going to be much better than whats going to come on the other side. And what happened tonight with with Justice Scalia tells you that we cannot afford to lose this election, and we cannot be tearing each other down. [applause] dickerson dr. Carson, i let me ask you a different question. When you were you were the first one, really, to talk about political correctness. Everybody now talks about it, but that was really what sparked your your rise. Politicians are often accused of glossing over any hard choices people have to make, just always selling happy, nice things. So in the in the spirit of saying something that might be politically incorrect, tell the voters something that they need to hear but that might be politically incorrect . Carson well, first of all, im not a politician, so im never going to become a politician. But heres what heres what people need to know. People need to know that free college is not its a nonstarter. You know, you have to look at our economic situation. Were on the verge of economic collapse and, you know, were its not just the 19 trillion, but its also the 200 trillion in unfunded liabilities. What we need to think about is, what does that do to the average person . When we have a debt of that nature, it causes the fed to change their policy, it causes the central bank to keep the the rates low, and who does that affect . Mr. Average, who used to go to the bank every friday and put part of his check in the bank and watch it grow over three decades and be able to retire with a nice nest egg, thats gone. That part of the American Dream is gone. All of these things are disappearing, and Bernie Sanders and people like Hillary Clinton blame it on the rich. They say those evil rich people, if we take their money we can solve the problem. Its not the evil rich people. Its the irresponsible, evil government. [applause] dickerson governor kasich. Governor kasich, youve been described as the democrats favorite republican. You talked about in new hampshire, democrats would come up to you and say, i hope you win. Why will that help you win a republican nomination . Kasich you know, john, i think all people are the same. Look, i did 106 town halls, and ive been doing them left and right here in South Carolina. The first thing we have to do is grow the economy, and i know the formula because i was chairman in washington when we balanced the budget and created so many jobs, and the same that weve been able to do in ohio. You need commonsense regulations so Small Business can flourish, you need lower taxes both on business and individuals, and you need a fiscal plan to be able to get ourselves in a situation where people can predict a little bit about the future when it comes to the fiscal issues. And when you have that formula, combined with work force thats trained, you can explode the economy and create many jobs. I have done it twice, and i want to go back to washington and do it again. John, the thing is, is i think that there are people now, these bluecollar democrats my dad was a bluecollar democrat the Democratic Party has left them. When theyre arguing about being socialists, theyve left they have lost those bluecollar democrats. And you know what i think they get out of me is my sense of what they get out of me, and its embarrassment about campaigns, you brag about yourself. But i think im a uniter, i think people sense it. I think they know i have the experience, and that im a man that can give people hope and a sense that they have the opportunity rise. And ill tell you, i love these bluecollar democrats, because theyre going to vote for us come next fall, promise you that. [applause] dickerson mr. Trump, let me ask you a question. President s in both parties say that the one thing you need in your administration is somebody who can tell you youre wrong. You dont necessarily seem like somebody who has somebody who tells you youre wrong a lot. Can you tell us of an instance where somebody has said, donald trump, youre wrong, and you listened to them . Trump well, i would say my wife tells me im wrong all the time. And i listen. [laughter] dickerson about what . Trump oh, let me just say look, i am very open i hired top people. Ive had great success. I built a great, great company. I dont need to do this. Im selffunding. Im spending a lot of money. Ive spent like in new hampshire, i spent 3 million. Jeb bush spent 44 million. He came in five, and i came in number one. Thats what the country needs, folks. I spent three, he spends 42 of their money, of special interest money. And its just this is not going to make excuse me. This is not going to make our country great again. This is not what we need in our country. We need people that know what the hell theyre doing. And politicians, theyre all talk, theyre no action. And thats why people are supporting me. I do listen to people. I hire experts. I hire top, top people. And i do listen. And you know what . Sometimes theyre wrong. You have to know what to do, when to do it. But sometimes theyre wrong. Dickerson let me something, in talking to voters that they wish somebody would tell you to cut it out is the profanity. Whats your reaction to that . [applause] trump well, ill tell you over the years, ive made many speeches. People have asked me, Big Companies have asked me to make speeches, and friends of mine that run Big Companies on success. And occasion, in order to sort of really highlight something, ill use a profanity. One of the profanities that i got credited with using, that i didnt use, was a very bad word, two weeks ago, that i never used. I said, you. And everybody said oh, he didnt say anything wrong. But you bleeped it, so everyone thinks i said the i didnt say anything. I never said the word. It is very unfair, that criticism. Now, i will say this, with all of that being said, i have said i will not do it at all, because if i say a word thats a little bit off color, a little bit, it ends up being a headline. I will not do it again. I was a very good student at a great school not using by the way not using profanity is very easy. Dickerson all right. Ok governor bush, id like to ask you bush yeah, well, i have got to respond to this. Dickerson well, can i how about you respond, and then you can answer the question im about to ask you. Bush sounds like a good plan. Dickerson itll be bush or you could ask me two questions, so i could get two minutes instead of one. Dickerson if we adjudicate this, the night will be over. Governor, in 2012, you said that your father and Ronald Reagan would have a hard time in todays Republican Party, based on their records of trying to find accommodation and finding some degree of common ground. Do you still feel that way . Bush i think the dysfunction in washington is really dangerous, thats what i think. And we need a proven leader that has a record of solving problems, someone who doesnt cut and run; someone who could be a commander in chief to unite our country around common purposes; someone who doesnt disparage people. Someone that doesnt brag, for example, that he has been bankrupt four times and it was great, because he could use the legal system. Trump thats not let me respond. Thats another lie. I never went bankrupt dickerson hold on, mr. Trump. Trump no, but its another lie. Dickerson hold on, mr. Trump. Trump no, but its another lie. This guy doesnt know what hes talking about. Just a lie. Bush we need someone with a proven record to be able to forge consensus to solve problems. And right now, both republicans and democrats in washington dont get it. People are struggling 63 of americans cant make a 500 car payment. Most americans are living paycheck to paycheck. And we need someone has a proven record of growing the economy, reforming the things that are broken. And im that person. Dickerson ok, mr. Trump, your response. [applause] trump let me just tell you. Jeb goes around saying, just like the biggest Business Leaders in this country, ive used the laws of the land to chapter i bought a company, i threw it immediately into a chapter, i made a great deal. I uses the laws to my benefit, because i run a company. Bush yeah trump excuse me, jeb bush yeah. Trump i never went bankrupt, never. Now but you dont want to say that. Now, let me just say, ive used it, just like the biggest leaders in the country. Let me tell you something florida. Florida, he put so much debt on florida. You know, we keep saying hes a wonderful governor, wonderful governor. He put so much debt on florida, and he increased spending so much that as soon as he got out of office, florida crashed. I happened to be there. Its my second home. Florida crashed. He didnt do a good job as governor. Bush here we go. Trump and you havent excuse me, you havent heard that. You listen to the good record in florida. You take a look at what happened, as soon as that year ended he got out, florida crashed. Too much debt. He loaded it up with debt, and his spending went through the roof. Trump by the way dickerson the bells are ringing, sir. Trump he was not a good governor. Bush heres the record. Heres the record. We led the nation in job growth seven out of eight years. When i left there was 9 billion of reserves, 35 of general revenue. No state came close to that. Trump take a look at your numbers. Bush when i during my time, we were one of the two states to go to aaa bond rating. We didnt go bankrupt like trump did and call it success when people are laid off, when vendors dont get paid. Thats not success. What we did was create an environment where people had a chance to have income. Personal income during my time went up by 4. 4 . Trump florida went down the tubes right after he got out of office. Bush the government grew by trump went right down because of what he did to it. Bush half of that. Dickerson all right. Thank you. Senator rubio, i want to ask you a 30second question, no president can rubio thirty seconds. Dickerson no well, ill ask the question, you do what you want. Rubio i speak fast. [laughter] dickerson no president can know dickerson no president can know everything, right . So a smart leader knows how to ask questions. So if you could talk to any previous president , whats the smart question you would ask about that job that you would want to know . Rubio well, i think one of the president s well, the president i grew up under was Ronald Reagan. And reagan had a vision for americas future. And if you think about what Ronald Reagan inherited, its not unlike what the next president is going to inherit. This is the worst president weve had in 35 years, 35 years back would have made it jimmy carter. Thats what Ronald Reagan inherited. And i think the question you would ask is, how did you inspire again the American People to believe in the future . How did you what did it take to ensure that the American People, despite all of the difficulties of the time you know, you look back at that time, the American Military was in decline. Our standing in the world was in decline. We had hostages being held in iran. Our economy was in bad shape. The American People were scared about the future. They were scared about what kind of country their children were going to live in and inherit. And yet somehow Ronald Reagan was able to instill in our nation and in our people a sense of optimism. And he turned america around because of that vision and ultimately because of that leadership. I wish Ronald Reagan was still around. This country needs someone just like that. And if our next president is even half the president Ronald Reagan was, america is going to be greater than it has ever been. [applause] dickerson all right. Thats going to have to be it there, senator rubio. We have got to go to a break. We will be right back with the cbs news Republican Debate in greenville, South Carolina. Dickerson time now for closing statements. You will each have one minute, and well begin with governor kasich. Kasich well, i want to thank the people of South Carolina. Youve been fantastic. And look, what i want you to know is im going to send a lot of power, money and influence back to where we all live. But as ive traveled around South Carolina, ive noticed something. You know, its that people have a sense that youre not going to wait on a president. You know, when i was a kid, we didnt wait on president s to come to that little bluecollar town and fix things. You know, the lord made all of us special. The lord wants us to be connected. I believe were part of a very big mosaic. And ill send the power back. And whoever gets elected president here, hopefully will take care of the issue of jobs and wages and Social Security and the border. But the spirit of the america rests in all of us. Its in our guts. Its taking care of our children. Its taking care of the lady next door who just lost her husband. Its fixing the schools where we live and telling kids to stay off drugs. You see, i think what the lord wants is for to us engage, and in america, the spirit of america doesnt come from the top down. The spirit of america rests in us. And i want to call on everyone in america to double down and realize that you were made special to heal this country and lift it for everyone. Thank you all very much. And i hope i can have your vote in South Carolina. [applause] dickerson dr. Carson dr. Carson, youre next. Carson this is the first generation not expected to do better than their parents. Some people say its the new normal, but theres nothing normal about it in an exceptional american. I, like you, am a member of we, the people, and we know that our country is heading off the cliff. Joseph stalin said if you want to bring america down you, have to undermine three things our spiritual life, our patriotism and our morality. We, the people, can stop that decline, starting right here in South Carolina. If all the people who say, i love ben carson and his policies, but he cant win, vote for me, not only can we win, but we can turn this thing around. You know, we have this manipulation by the Political Class and by the media telling us who were supposed to pick and how were supposed to live. We, the people, are the only people who will determine that. And if you elect me as your next president , i promise you that you will get somebody who is accountable to everybody and beholden to no one. Thank you. [applause] dickerson governor governor bush. Bush thank you all very much. The next president is going to be confronted with an unforeseen challenge. Thats almost certain. It could be a pandemic, a major Natural Disaster or an attack on our country. The question for south carolinians and americans is who do you want to have sitting behind the big desk in the oval office . Because thats the question. Its not the things were talking about today. Its the great challenge that may happen. I believe i will have a steady hand as commander in chief and president of the United States. I will unite this country around common purposes because i did it as governor of the state of florida. When i was governor, we had eight hurricanes and four tropical storms in 16 months. Our state was on its back. We recovered far faster than what people thought because we led. We want to challenge rather than cutting and running. Thats what we need in washington, d. C. We need someone with a servants heart that has a backbone, that isnt going to focus on polls and focus groups. The focus will be on the American People to keep them safe and secure. I ask for your vote next saturday. [applause] garrett thank you, governor. Strassel and now, marco rubio. Rubio thank you, and thank you for watching tonight. This is a difficult time in our country. Our economys flat, its not creating the jobs it once did, and People Struggle living paycheck to paycheck. Our cultures in trouble. Wrong is considered right and right is considered wrong. All the things that once held our Families Together are now under constant assault. And around the world, americas reputation is in decline. Our allies dont trust us, our adversaries dont fear us, iran captures our sailors and parades them before the world on video. These are difficult times, but 2016 can be a turning point. Thats why im running for president , and thats why im here today to ask you for your vote. If you elect me president , we are going to reembrace Free Enterprise so that everyone can go as far as their talent and their work will take them. We are going to be a country that says that life begins at conception and life is worthy of the protection of our laws. Were going to be a country that says that marriage is between one man and one woman. We are going to be a country that says, the constitution and the rights that it talks about do not come from our president , they come from our creator. We are going to be loyal to our allies like israel, not enemies like iran. And we will rebuild the u. S. Military so no one will there test it. Vote for me. I will unify this party. I will grow it. We will win this election, and we will make the 21st century a new american century. [applause] dickerson senator cruz . Senator cruz, your closing statement . Cruz South Carolina, you have a critical choice to make. Our country literally hangs in the balance. Do you want another washington deal maker who will do business as usual, cut deals with the democrats, grow government, grow debt and give up our fundamental liberties . Or do you want a conservative, a proven conservative that will stand and fight with you each and every day . Listen, repealing obamacare is not going to be easy. Passing a simple flat tax that abolishes the irs. Is not going to be easy, but if we stand with the American People, we can do it. And today, we saw just how great the stakes are. Two branches of government hang in the balance. Not just the presidency but the Supreme Court. If we get this wrong, if we nominate the wrong candidates, the Second Amendment, life, marriage, religious liberty every one of those hangs in the balance. My little girls are here. I dont want to look my daughters in the eyes and say, we lost their liberties. Who do you know will defend the constitution and bill of rights . And as a commander in chief, who do you know will stand up to our enemies as the clam, steady, deliberate, strength to defeat our enemies, to secure our borders and to keep america safe. Dickerson mr. Trump, your closing statements . Trump thank you. Politicians are all talk, no action. Youve seen where theyve take you to. We are 19 trillion dollars right now. Its going to be increased with that horrible budget from a month ago that was just approved by politicians. We need a change. We need a very big change. Were going to make our country great again. I say this every night, every day, every afternoon, and its so true we dont win anymore. We dont win with health care, we dont win with isis and the military, we dont take care of our vets, we dont care of our borders, we dont win. We are going to start winning again. We are not going to be controlled by people that are special interests and lobbyists that everybody here has contributed to. And you know what, they do exactly what those folks want them to do. We are going to make our country great, and were going to do the right thing. Im working for you. Im not working for anybody else. Thank you very much. [applause] strassel well be back with a few final thoughts in a moment. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. Visit ncicap. Org] our road to the white house coverage continues tomorrow when bush at. Bush joins jeb a Campaign Rally in charleston, s. C. Live coverage beginning at 6 00 p. M. Eastern on seas and. Road to the white house began in iowa, the caucuses that date back to 1972. Then we moved to new hampshire, the quintessential first in the nation primary. Now we really began to test the candidates and their message. The First Southern primary, and the Party Caucuses in nevada for the democrats and republicans. More than likely we will see a number of candidates drop out of the race in the field will narrow. Then we will move into early march, super tuesday, winner take all primaries. Countwatch the delegate continue we will get a better sense of whose message is resonating and who is on the path to the nomination. The reality is the best president s and the greatest president s have been willing to recognize that they werent the smartest person in the room. Withrround themselves people they felt were smarter than themselves. Tonight on q a, robert gate discusses his book a passion for leadership lessons on changes reform from 50 years of public service. He has served under several president s, most recently president george w. Bush and barack obama. War, the end of the cold when i was director of central intelligence, i came to believe very strongly that the American People had given the cia a pass on a lot of things because of this existential conflict with the soviet union. I believe that after the end of the cold war, we would have to be more open about what we did and why we did it, and even to an extent how we did it, to help the American People better understand why intelligence was important to the government and to president s, and why they valued it. Tonight at 8 00 eastern on cspans q a. On wednesday, attorney general Loretta Lynch announced the Justice Department will file a civil rights lawsuit against the city of ferguson, missouri. This comes after the city council failed to pass an agreement between the department and the city. Attendance includes to Court Practices. This is about 15 minutes. Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining me here today. By the headere also of our civil rights division. Nearly a year ago, the department of justice released our findings in an investigation of the Police Department of ferguson, missouri. Our investigation uncovered a community in distress, in which residents felt alienated from their own police force and their own local government. The ferguson Police Departments violations in particular. Are expensive and delivered and deliberate. They violated the Fourth Amendment by arresting them without cause and by using unreasonable force. They made enforcement decisions based on the way individuals express themselves, and they unnecessarily escalated nonlifethreatening situations. These violations were not only egregious, they were routine. They were encouraged by the city in the interest of raising revenue. They were driven at least in theyby racial bias and occur disproportionately against africanamerican residents of ferguson, and they were profoundly and fundamentally unconstitutional. The governments findings were based on informationreceived from fergusons own citizens, from their own records and. Officials they demonstrated a clear pattern and practice of violations of the constitution and o federal lawf. After announcing our findings are mostly year ago, we begin negotiations with the city of ferguson on a courtenforceable Consent Decree that would bring about Necessary Police and tort reforms. We made clear that our goal was to reach an agreement to avoid litigation, but we also made clear that if there was no agreement, we would be forced to go to court to protect the rights of ferguson residence. Painstaking negotiations lasted more than 26 weeks as we sought to remedy the early years of systemic and systematic. Deficiencies. A few weeks ago, our own negotiators came to an agreement that was both fair and costeffective, and that would provide all the residents of ferguson the constitutional and effective policing and Court Practices guaranteed to all americans. As agreed, it was presented to the Ferguson City council for approval or rejection. Last night, the Ferguson City council the rejected rejected the Consent Decree. Their decision leaves us no further choice. Today, the department of justice is filing a lawsuit in Federal District court against the city of ferguson, missouri, alleging a pattern and practice of Law Enforcement conduct that file its the first, fourth, and 15th amendments and federal civil rights laws. We intend to aggressively prosecute this case, and we intend to prevail. The residents of ferguson have waited nearly a year for their city to adopt an agreement that would protect their rights and heat them safe. They have waited nearly a year for their Police Department to accept rules that would ensure their Constitutional Rights and rules that thousands of other Police Departments follow every day. They have waited nearly a year for their municipal courts to commit to a sick, reasonable rules and standards. Clear, thert made residents of ferguson have suffered the deprivation of their constitutional right, the rights guaranteed to all americans for decades. They heavily the decades for justice. They should not be forced to wait any longer. Thank you. This is fast. This is less than a day. Why not go back and continue to negotiate . Bankruptcy is a legitimate concern. There is a fair potential consequence. What i can say is that throughout the discussion with the city, beginning with the report and going through 26 weeks of negotiation, we were very sensitive to cost concerns. As you note, you have in your packet information in our freer, we provided Technical Assistance to them during this time period at no cost to the city. We have discussed this issue with the city. We had come to terms on agreement to be particular to the city council. The agreement was to be approved or rejected. The city was clear last night that they rejected the agreement. What was your reaction when you heard that the counsel objected . Disappointment that they chose litigation over faster moves that would bring constitutional policing to the Police Department. Is your understanding of what the sticking points were . Why did the City Council Vote this down