Transcripts For CSPAN Key Capitol Hill Hearings 20161002

Diverse background of of policy and of partisanship, all coming together at this time, recognizing he is the man that we need to leave lead in these next four years, because these are tumultuous times. We have got to win the wars. We have got to get our economy back on track. We have got to not allow the greed and corruption on wall street anymore. And we have not got to allow the partisanship that has really been entrenched in washington, d. C. , no matter whos been in charge. When the republicans were in charge, i didnt see a lot of progress there, either. When the democrats, either, though, this last go around for the last two years. Change is coming. And john mccain is the leader of that reform. Senator. Ill be very brief. Can i respond to that . Look, the maverick lets talk about the maverick john mccain is. And, again, i love him. Hes been a maverick on some issues, but he has been no maverick on the things that matter to peoples lives. He voted four out of five times for george bushs budget, which put us a half a trillion dollars in debt this year and over 3 trillion in debt since hes got there. He has not been a maverick in providing health care for people. He has voted against he voted including another 3. 6 million children in coverage of the existing health care plan, when he voted in the United States senate. Hes not been a maverick when it comes to education. He has not supported tax cuts and significant changes for people being able to send their kids to college. Hes not been a maverick on the war. Hes not been a maverick on virtually anything that genuinely affects the things that people really talk about around their kitchen table. Can we send can we get moms mri . Can we send mary back to school next semester . We cant we cant make it. How are we going to heat the heat the house this winter . He voted against even providing for what they call liheap, for assistance to people, with Oil Prices Going through the roof in the winter. So maverick he is not on the important, Critical Issues that affect people at that kitchen table. Final question tonight, before your closing statements, starting with you, senator biden. Can you think of a single issue and this is to cast light for people who are just trying to get to know you in your final debate, your only debate of this year can you think of a single issue, policy issue, in which you were forced to change a longheld view in order to accommodate changed circumstances . Yes, i can. When i got to the United States senate and went on the Judiciary Committee as a young lawyer, i was of the view and had been trained in the view that the only thing that mattered was whether or not a nominee appointed, suggested by the president had a judicial temperament, had not committed a crime of moral turpitude, and was had been a good student. And it didnt take me long it was hard to change, but it didnt take me long, but it took about five years for me to realize that the ideology of that judge makes a big difference. Thats why i led the fight against judge bork. Had he been on the court, i suspect there would be a lot of changes that i dont like and the American People wouldnt like, including everything from roe v. Wade to issues relating to civil rights and civil liberties. And so that that that was one of the intellectual changes that took place in my career as i got a close look at it. And thats why i was the first chairman of the Judiciary Committee to forthrightly state that it matters what your judicial philosophy is. The American People have a right to understand it and to know it. But i did change on that, and and im glad i did. Governor . There have been times where, as mayor and governor, we have passed budgets that i did not veto and that i think could be considered as something that i quasicaved in, if you will, but knowing that it was the right thing to do in order to progress the agenda for that year and to work with the legislative body, that body that actually holds the purse strings. So there were times when i wanted to zerobase budget, and to cut taxes even more, and i didnt have enough support in order to accomplish that. But on the major principle things, no, there hasnt been something that ive had to compromise on, because weve always seemed to find a way to Work Together. Up there in alaska, what we have done is, with bipartisan efforts, is Work Together and, again, not caring who gets the credit for what, as we accomplish things up there. And thats been just a part of the operation that i wanted to participate in. And thats what were going to do in washington, d. C. , also, bring in both sides together. John mccain is known for doing that, also, in order to get the work done for the American People. Lets come full circle. You both want to bring both sides together. You both talk about bipartisanship. Once again, we saw what happened this week in washington. How do you change the tone, as Vice President , as numbertwo . Well, again, i believe john mccain, were he here and this is a dangerous thing to say in the middle of an election but he would acknowledge what im about to say. I have been able to work across the aisle on some of the most controversial issues and change my partys mind, as well as republicans, because i learned a lesson from mike mansfield. Mike mansfield, a former leader of the senate, said to me one day he i made a criticism of jesse helms. He said, what would you do if i told you jesse helms and dot helms had adopted a child who had braces and was in real need . I said, id feel like a jerk he said, joe, understand one thing. Everyones sent here for a reason, because theres something in them that their folks like. Dont question their motive. I have never since that moment in my first year questioned the motive of another member of the congress or senate with whom ive disagreed. Ive questioned their judgment. I think thats why i have the respect i have and have been able to work as well as ive been able to have worked in the United States senate. Thats the fundamental change barack obama and i will be bring to this party, not questioning other peoples motives. Governor . You do what i did as governor, and you appoint people regardless of party affiliation, democrats, independents, republicans. You you walk the walk; you dont just talk the talk. And even in my own family, its a very diverse family. And we have folks of all political persuasion in there, also, so ive grown up just knowing that, you know, at the end of the day, as long as were all working together for the greater good, its going to be ok. But the policies and the proposals have got to speak for themselves, also. And, again, voters on november 4th are going to have that choice to either support a ticket that supports policies that create jobs. You do that by lowering taxes on American Workers and on our businesses. And you build up infrastructure, and you rein in government spending, and you make our our Nation Energy independent. Or you support a ticket that supports policies that will kill jobs by increasing taxes. And thats what the track record shows, is a desire to increase taxes, increase spending, a trilliondollar spending proposal thats on the table. Thats going to hurt our country, and saying no to energy independence. Clear choices on november 4th. Governor palin, you get the chance to make the First Closing statement. Well, again, gwen, i do want to thank you and the commission. This is such an honor for me. And i appreciate, too, senator biden, getting to meet you, finally, also, and getting to debate with you. And i would like more opportunity for this. I like being able to answer these tough questions without the filter, even, of the Mainstream Media kind of telling viewers what theyve just heard. Id rather be able to just speak to the American People like we just did. And its so important that the American People know of the choices that they have on november 4th. I want to assure you that john mccain and i, were going to fight for america. Were going to fight for the middleclass, average, everyday American Family like mine. Ive been there. I know what the hurts are. I know what the challenges are. And, thank god, i know what the joys are, too, of living in america. We are so blessed. And ive always been proud to be an american. And so has john mccain. We have to fight for our freedoms, also, economic and our National Security freedoms. It was Ronald Reagan who said that freedom is always just one generation away from extinction. We dont pass it to our children in the bloodstream; we have to fight for it and protect it, and then hand it to them so that they shall do the same, or were going to find ourselves spending our sunset years telling our children and our childrens children about a time in america, back in the day, when men and women were free. We will fight for it, and there is only one man in this race who has really ever fought for you, and thats senator john mccain. Thank you, governor. Senator biden. Gwen, thank you for doing this, and the commission, and governor, it really was a pleasure getting to meet you. Look, folks, this is the most important election youve ever voted in your entire life. No one can deny that the last eight years, weve been dug into a very deep hole here at home with regard to our economy, and abroad in terms of our credibility. And theres a need for fundamental change in our economic philosophy, as well as our foreign policy. And barack obama and i dont measure progress toward that change based on whether or not we cut more regulations and how well ceos are doing, or giving another 4 billion in tax breaks to the exxon mobils of the world. We measure progress in america based on whether or not someone can pay their mortgage, whether or not they can send their kid to college, whether or not theyre able to, when they send their child, like we have abroad or im about to, abroad and john has as well, i might add to fight, that they are the best equipped and they have everything they need. And when they come home, theyre guaranteed that they have the best health care and the best education possible. You know, in the neighborhood i grew up in, it was all about dignity and respect. A neighborhood like most of you grew up in. And in that neighborhood, it was filled with women and men, mothers and fathers who taught their children if they believed in themselves, if they were honest, if they worked hard, if they loved their country, they could accomplish anything. We believed it, and we did. Thats why barack obama and i are running, to reestablish that certitude in our neighborhoods. Ladies and gentlemen, my dad used to have an expression. Hed say, champ, when you get knocked down, get up. Well, its time for america to get up together. Americas ready, youre ready, im ready, and barack obama is ready to be the next president of the United States of america. May god bless all of you, and most of all, for both of us, selfishly, may god protect our troops. That ends tonights debate. We want to thank the folks here at Washington University in st. Louis, and the commission on president ial debates. There are two more debates to come. Next tuesday, october 7th, with tom brokaw at Belmont University in nashville, and on october 15th at Hofstra University in new york, with bob schieffer. Thank you, governor palin and senator biden. Good night, everybody. [applause] you you clicks thank you. Thank you. Thank you. [applause] cspan. Created by american cablevision brought to you by your cable or satellite writer. President making appointments to the Supreme Court of the United States will be president donald trump. With Hillary Clinton in the white house, the rest of the world will never forget why theyve always looked up to the United States of america. Cspans campaign 2000 16 with the Vice President ial debate between mike pence and tim kaine tuesday night, live from Longwood University in virginia. 30, the predebate briefing for the audience and at 9 00 p. M. , live coverage of the debate followed by reaction. The 2016 Vice President ial debate. Or at any on cspan time on cspan. Org and listen live on the radio mobile at. President ialys campaign was the only time when three Vice President ial candidates appeared together on the stage. Dan quayle faced senator al gore and james stockdale, the running ofe of retro mate wraparound. This is an hour and a half. [applause] mr. Vice president , senator. Nice to see you, sir. [applause] we have just about one minute before we go on air. Thank you. Good evening from atlanta and welcome to the Vice President ial debate, sponsored by the nonpartisan commission on debates. This is being held here on the campus of georgia tech. I am from abc news and i will be moderating tonights debate. The participants are the republican Vice President dan quayle. [applause] democratic senator al gore. [applause] and retired vice admiral james stockdale. [applause] the candidate for ross perot. Thee grandma and ground rules. I will present the issues to be discussed. The candidates have one minute and 15 seconds which will be followed by a five minute discussion time in which they can answer questions. The order of the response has been decided by a drawing and will rotate. At the end of the debate each candidate will have two minutes for a closing statement. Our radio and tv audience should know that each candidate was given an adequate amount of the audience space for their supporters so i ask the supporters to refrain from responding to any kind of the debate because it takes time away. Lets get started. We turn first to senator gore for his Opening Statement. Al gore good evening. It is great to be here in atlanta for this debate, where america will be showcased to the world when the 1996 olympics are put on here. It is appropriate because our discussion this evening will be about what kind of nation we want to be, four years from now. It is also a pleasure to be with my two opponents. Admiral stockdale, it is a special honor to share the stage with you. Us who served look at you as a hero. President , dan, if i may, it was 16 years ago that you and i went to congress on the very first day together. I will make you a deal this evening. If you dont try to compare george bush to harry truman, i wont compare you to kennedy. [laughter] [applause] d remember the last time someone compare themselves to jack kennedy . Only one of many occasions when faced thrust a vice into the candidacy. And that is something to think about. Senator gore when the recession came they were like a deer caught in the headlights. Blinded to the suffering and bankruptcy and people that were unemployed. We had an environmental crisis. A Health Insurance crisis. We had substandard education. It is time for a change. Bill clinton and i want to get our country moving forward again. Put our feet put our people back to work and create a Bright Future for the United States of america. Hal the next statement will be from wise president quayle. Vice president quayle thank you for reminding me about my performance in the previous Vice President ial debate. There are two things that im going to stress ring this debate. Number one, bill clintons economic plan and agenda will make rings much worse. He will will make things much worse. He will increase taxes, increase spending, and make the government much bigger. Bill clinton does not have the strength or character to be president of the United States. Let us look at the agendas. President bush want to hold the line on taxes. Bill clinton once to raise taxes. President bush is for a balanced budget amendment. Bill clinton is against it. We want to reform the head care system the Health Care System. Bill clinton once to empower government. We want to empower people. Missouri of this ,ear, bill clinton said this america is the mockery of the world. He is wrong. In the next few years, there will be an International Crisis. I cannot tell you where it will be or the circumstances, that it will happen. We need a president that has the integrity to handle the crisis. The president has the integrity and the character. The choice is yours. You need to have a president you can trust. Can you really trust bill clinton . Admiral stockdale, your Opening Statement please . Vice admiral stockdale who am i . Why am i here . Im not a politician. Use the same lingo of a washington insider. I was in the navy. I led the first bombing raid against north vietnam. I was there the day it ended, and i was there for everything in between. 10 years in vietnam. Torture. Bat and i know things about the vietnam war better than anyone in the world. I know some things about the vietnam war that are than anyone in the world. Howhow governments american governments can be courageous and how they can be cowards. That is one thing im an expert on. I was a leader of the underground american pilots that were shot down in north vietnam. You should know that the american character displayed in those dungeons by those feynman was a thing of beauty fine men was a thing of beauty. I look back on those years as a thing of wisdom. Learning everything a man can vulnerabilities and asength that are ours americans. Why am i here tonight . I am here because i have in my brain and in my heart what it takes to lead america through tough times. Hal thank you admiral. You are running for Vice President. We ought to Start Talking about the vice presidency itself. The Vice President resigns over the senate. He cast a deciding vote in case of a tie. Your role really does your role is really determined by the assignment you are given by the president. If the president is unable to serve or dies in office, the Vice President automatically becomes president. That has happened five times in this century. The proposition i put on the table for you to discuss if this what role of each of you like to play as Vice President . What areas interest you . What are your qualifications to serve as president , if necessary . We will start with Vice President quayle. Vice president quayle qualifications, i have been there hal. Senator gore referred to as being elected to congress together in 1976. I have done the job, and i have done many things as Vice President. You as Vice President , never know what exactly your role is going to be from time to time. Let me give you an example of when i was tested under fire. President bush was flying to malta in 1989 to meet with president gorbachev. It was their first meeting. A coup broke out in the philippines. I did go to the situation room, a symbol the president advisers, i made a recommendation to the president , and the president made a decision. Suppressed, democracy was reinstated. I have been there. I will to you one of the things that qualifies you to be president. You have to stand up for what you believe in. Nobody has ever criticized me for not having strong beliefs. Admiral stockdale . Vice admiral stockdale my perotation with candidate is a close one. He has granted me total autonomy. I do not take advantage of it, but i am sure that he would make inartner in decisions making decisions about the way to handle health care and get this economy back on its feet again. I have not had the experiences of these gentlemen. I know i have his trust. Way to keepact in a that situation a lot. Alive. Thank you. Hal senator gore. Bill clinton and i understand cooperation and partnership. If we are elected, we will Work Together to put our country on the right side again. The experience that Vice President quayle is talking about includes the worst employment numbers since the great recession. Withong can we continue trickledown economics when the record of failure is so abundantly clear . Discussions of the vice presidency tend to focus on crisis is in which the Vice President is thrust into the oval office. Indeed, one third of the Vice President s that have served have moved into the white house. The teamwork and partnership before hand hopefully the situation never happens, but how you Work Together never happens. The way we Work Together in the campaign is one example. In response to Vice President quayle, he spoke about malta in the philippines. George bush has concentrated on every other country in the world. When are you going to start worrying about our people here in the United States of america . [applause] will ask the audience not to applause. It takes the time away from the candidates. Now i will allow time for discussion. We have adent quayle plan to create new jobs. That was not the question though. The question was qualifications. You may have the qualifications to serve in congress. However, when you are president of the United States, or when you are Vice President and you have to fill in the night of the crisis in the philippines, you have to make decisions and make up your mind. Bill clinton running for president of the United States said this about the persian gulf war. Had i been in the senate, i would have voted with the majority, but i agreed with the argument of the minority. You cannot have it both ways. You cannot sit there in an International Crisis and say, on the one hand this is ok, and on the other hand this is ok. President bush has been tested, he has the experience, he has the integrity to be our president for the next term. Admiral stockdale, it is your turn to respond. Vice admiral stockdale ive withouts is was desk this was an open thing, and people could jump in whenever they want i thought this was an open thing, and people could jump in whenever they want to. Senator gore im happy to jump in any time. I wanted to allow admiral stockdale some time. I will let you guys figure out some things here. However, i won an answer to my question about when you are going to start worrying about the American People. We have been listening to trickledown economics for about 12 years now. You will still support trickledown to the very last drop. That point of concentrating on every other country in the world as opposed to the people of our country right here at home ker outorge bush took ba of the state department and put him in charge of the campaign and made him chief of staff in the white house, mr. Baker said that for these last four years george bush was working on the problems of the rest of the world. In the next four years, he would target america. We really appreciate that, but bill clinton and i will target america from day one. We will not wait for years before we concentrate on the problems in this country. He went on to say that it is really amazing what george bush can do when he concentrates. It is time we have a president like bill clinton who can concentrate and work on the problems of real people in this country. Our country has been troubled. We simply cannot continue with this philosophy of giving huge tax cuts to the very wealthy, raising taxes on middle income families, and then waiting for it to work. How much longer will it take for trickledown economics to work . Vice president quayle we will have plenty of time to talk about trickle down the government, which you are for. The question that you have failed to address is why no nton is qualified to be why bill clinton is qualified to be president of the United States. You have talked about the economy, york talked about trickledown economics senator gore i would be happy to answer. Vice president quayle i would like to go back and make a point. Senator gore i would like to answer the question, but Vice President quayle let me repeat it for you. Here is what he said are you asking question or making a statement . Vice president quayle i am making a statement and then asking a question. Here is what bill clinton said. Vote, i wouldose vote for the majority. However, i agreed with the minority. I hope the people of america are listening very closely to this debate. I thinkiral stockdale the nation right now is seeing why this nation is in gridlock. [applause] vice admiral stockdale the trickledown and the tax plans are charge points. We cannot get this economy going. Whoseere, we have dan president is going to take eight used to balance the budget. On my left, the senator who is going to get halfway balanced in four years. Ross perot has a plan to balance the budget five years in length from start to finish. People of the nonprofessional category you are just sick of just sick ofre this terrible thing that has happened to the country, we have a man to fix it. I am working for it. Hal lets move on to the economy. About thely, we spoke economy at great length in the president ial debates. Lets talk about a very particular aspect of the economy. That is getting people back to work. For the average people, they are losing their jobs in the recession. This means the loss of benefits, the loss of home, the destruction of the familys security. Specifically, how would your administration go about getting , and howck to work long is it going to take . The admiral stockdale lifeblood of our economy is investment. Right now, when you borrow 350 billion a year, it saps the money markets and the private investors are not getting their share. What we do is work on that an Aggressive Program so a painful program we can start borrowing less money and get more money on the streets or entrepreneurs. Maybe we will then start manufacturing goods in this country again. That is my answer. Hal senator gore . Senator gore bill clintons top priority is getting americans back to work. We will create good, high wage jobs for our people. The same way that he has done in his state. He has created highway manufacturing jobs at 10 times the national average. According to the statistics from the bush quayle label Department Labor department, bill clinton has been number one among the top 50 in the creation of jobs in the private sector. It is the first time in the presidency since Herbert Hoover that we have gone for a for for a foureriods where we have less jobs at the end of the time that we did at the start. Learned twoen, we weeks ago, taken our tax dollars and subsidized the moving of u. S. Factories to Foreign Countries. Do not deny it, because 60 minutes and nightline and the nations newspapers have invested this investigated this very closely. When are you going to stop using our tax dollars to shut down american factories and move them to Foreign Countries . Hal Vice President quayle . Vice president quayle dont always believe what you see on television. The media has been wrong for. We have never subsidized any company to move from the United States to latin america. You know full well the caribbeanbased initiative. You supported that. Senator gore i voted against that. Vice president quayle you voted for it. We will have a of interesting debates after this, and our people would be glad to furnish the press with senator gores voting record. You talk about the trickledown economics and all this. The worst economy since Herbert Hoover well, it is a tough economy. What are you going to do about it . Your proposal is to raise 250 billion in taxes. How is raising taxes going to help Small Businesses . Hows it going to help the farmer . Hows it going to help the consumers of america . I submit to you that raising taxes would make matters much, much worse. Hal it is now open for discussion. Admiral stockdale, it is your turn to start the discussion. Vice admiral stockdale we have to clean out the barn if i may quote up quote my boss. We have to start getting this investment money on the streets so that we can encourage entrepreneurs to build factories. The program is out there. It is a put together thing that requires some sacrifice, but not excessive. We are learning to move forward at a fiveyear clip to put as back where we can start over and get this nation straightened out. Hal senator gore . Senator gore the difference between the Perot Stockdale plan and the clintongore plan is that the ross perot plan focuses exclusively on balancing the budget. The danger is if that is the only goal, it could throw our nation back to an even worse recession . Bill clinton and i have a detailed fiveyear budget plan to create good jobs, cut the budget deficit by half, and illuminate the investment deficit in order to get our economy moving forward again. We have a 20 billion Infrastructure Fund to create a nationwide network of high speed rails. What are called, information superhighways which will create a new world of knowledge for our students and companies. We also have tax incentives for investment in job creating activities. Not the kind of encouragement for shortterm ripoffs like the proposals we have had from george bush. I want to return and say one more time. You have used our tax dollars to subsidize the recruitment of u. S. Companies to move overseas and put our americans out of work. Notor veil, tennessee very far from our in decaturs bill in dec a factory, tennessee, was shut down. Their imports were subsidize coming back into the United States. When are you going to stop that program . We do notdent quayle have any program that encourages companies to close down here and go and invest in invest on foreign soil. That is outrageous. Of course american businesses have is this a broad. We have global competition. We want businesses to expand. Do you realize that every job that is overseas means three jobs here to support that . Never have we ever supported the idea that we should shut down a factory here to move it abroad. Senator gore is going on right now. It happened in tennessee. When george bush went to nashville, the employees that lost their jobs i talked with them. Amitai what they are feeling. Some of them are in their 50s let me tell you what they are feeling. Some of them are in their 50s and 60s, and they are wondering when they are going to get new jobs after their old jobs were destroyed. There are manufacturing jobs that have been destroyed because of the policies from you and george bush. Do you seriously believe that we ought to continue the same policies that have created the worst economy since the Great Depression . Hope wesident quayle i youe with those people that told him the first thing you and bill clinton are going to do is raise taxes. Senator gore you got that wrong too. Vice president quayle are you going to disavow your plan . You know what you are doing . You are pulling a clinton. A clinton is when you say one thing one day and another thing on another day. You are covering both sides of the issue. The fact of the matter is that you are proposing 150 million in new taxes. I hope when you spoke with these people you told them senator gore you can say all you want. It does not make it true. Vice president quayle im sure what you did not talk to them about is how we are going to reform the Health Care System. He wants to go out and reform the Health Care System so that everyone have affordable Health Insurance available to them. The other thing im sure he did not talk to them about is legal reform. Your position on legal reform is the status quo. You talk about american you talk about foreign competition, why should American Companies have to spend more on insurance costs than a company in japan or germany . That is not right. We have a decision on capitol hill that will create jobs in the democratic side will not pass it. Think it is time to move on to our next topic. All three of you gentlemen have some expertise in defense in the armed forces. Vice president quayle and senator gore both served in the Senate Armed Services committee. Admiral stockdale, of course, as a very distinguished military career. Everyone agrees that there will be major cuts, but this history has a long history of neglecting its military needs during peacetime and paying for it with heavy casualties later on. What happens to the people who are forced to leave the military services . If they lose their jobs because they are working in Defense Industries . Senator gore bill clinton and ice of port a Strong National bill clinton and i support a Strong National defense. In the aftermath of the cold where, the definition of a strong, National Defense has obviously changed somewhat. Example, george bush once to maintain at least 150,000 american soldiers in europe even though world war ii ended 50 years ago. Bill clinton and i agree with so many military experts that believe it is time for the europeans, who are so much more wealthy and powerful now than they were at the end of world war ii, to start picking up more of that cap themselves and not rely so exclusively on the United States taxpayer for the defense of your. Europe. Ve defense of cutslieve we can make safe in our military spending. The difference is that bill clinton and i have a defense Conversion Program so that those that won the cold war will not be left out in the cold. We want to put them to work building the infrastructure and the economy here in this country. Hal Vice President quayle . Vice president quayle we won the cold war because we invested in our National Security. We did not we won the cold america had the political will and made the right decisions. Yes, we have made cuts in defense. Bill clinton wants to cut another 60 million dollars. Cut willlion defense cut a lot of jobs. Yes, we are making a conversion. We can go to a civil state rather than having a defense industry. Let me say this. We would not have won the cold war if we had listened to senator gore and supported a nuclear treaty. Thatu had supported attitude, we would not have won the cold war. We won the cold war because we invested and moved forward. Stockdale. L vice admiral stockdale the numbers in terms of the dollar cuts as they stand on our plans now show us at almost the same as Vice President s. That governor clintons plan is almost twice as much of a cut than either one of us. The end of through world war ii and the surprise beginning of korea to see how it cost us more money because we over cut the Defense Budget in the first place. [applause] thinkdmiral stockdale i that should be eyed with great suspicion. Kicking the props out from under our great military establishment. Theres another difference from the perot approach and what we see up on either side of me, and that has to do with we want interests, economic and military, more to the pacific. We figure that we are generally going along with any sort of troop removal from europe. That is still another face to this puzzle. Hal senator gore would you like to respond start the discussion . Senator gore under the details of our fiveyear plan, we do propose more defense cuts but only 5 more. One of your fellow admirals endorsed our military plan even though he was the chairman of the joint chiefs under george bush. John white has supported the economic aspects of our plan even though he was the architect of ross perots economic plan. When i heard george bush say at the convention in houston that when he heard the phrase, we , he wonderedar who the we this wasnt a partisan victory that came suddenly, a few months after you took the oath of office. This started with harry truman and it was a bipartisan effort from the very beginning. George bush taking credit for the berlin wall coming down is like the rooster taking credit for the sunrise. [applause] and i want to, i want to add i want to add one other thing, because in the debate a few nights ago, i think president bush made a very serious misstatement of fact in response to ross perot. It was kind of a little lecture he gave to ross perot when he said those ss18s are gone, ross, thats done. He he reached a deal with Boris Yeltsin to completely remove them so we can all sleep safely without any fear tonight. But you know what . They thought they were going to get that deal, but when he took the person in charge of the negotiations out of the state dept and put him in charge of the reelection campaign, the deal unraveled and now there is no start ii deal at all. In fact there are serious problems. Isnt it a fact, dan, that every single one of those ss18s is still there, in the silos, and under the start i treaty, only half of the silos are supposed to be dismantled, and there is no deal to get rid of the other half . Didnt the president make a mistake there . Mr. Bruno Vice President quayle, please. Mr. Quayle the president does have a commitment from Boris Yeltsin to eliminate the ss18s. That is a commitment to mr. Gore is it an agreement . Mr. Quayle it is a commitment. Mr. Gore oh. [laughter] mr. Quayle lets talk about, lets talk about mr. Gore well, he said hed bruno let him talk, senator. Quayle lighten up here, al. [applause] [laughter] bruno go ahead. Senator quayle lets talk about getting agreements. You know, the president of the us doesnt just negotiate with your friends in congress; the president of the us deals on the international scene. Hes got to deal with the president of russia, hes got to deal with the chancellor of germany, the Prime Minister of britain, the president of france, the Prime Minister of japan hes got to deal with a whole host of leaders around the world. And the leaders sit down and they will negotiate, and they will come to agreements with people that they trust. And this is a fundamental problem with bill clinton, is trust and character. It is not the issue of how he avoided military service 20some years ago; its the fact its the fact that he does not tell the truth about it. He first said he didnt get an induction notice, then we find out that he did; he said he didnt have an rotc slot, then we find out he did; he said he didnt use senator fulbrights office for special influence, then we find out that he did. These are inconsistencies. Bill clinton has trouble telling the truth. And he will have a very difficult time dealing with somebody like president yeltsin or chancellor kohl or Prime Minister major or president mitterrand, because truth and integrity are prerequisites to being president of the us. [applause] mr. Gore i want to respond to that, i want to respond to that. George bush, in case youve forgotten, dan, said read my lips no new taxes. [applause] [laughter] mr. Quayle i didnt think i was going to hear that tonight. Mr. Gore hold on, hold on, let me finish. Mr. Quayle okay. Mr. Gore he also said he wanted to be the environmental president ; then he went on to say he wanted to be the education president. Then he said that he wouldnt raise taxes again no, never, ever, ever. Then the next day his spokesman, marlin fitzwater, came out and said thats not a pledge. Then 2 weeks ago he said that after the election, if you win, then james bakers going to go back to be secretary of state; then a week later, in the debate a few nights ago, he said, no, after the election, if we win, james baker is going to be in charge of domestic policy. Which is it, dan . Is he going to whats your role in this going to be . [applause] [laughter] mr. Bruno well, well have to move on to another topic. Mr. Quayle let me mr. Bruno sorry, mr. Vice president. Quayle i dont have time to respond to that . Bruno youll get plenty of chance to respond, so dont worry. Quayle okay, youre the moderator. I was under the assumption that when the thing is like that that you get a chance to respond. Bruno well, we ran out of time; according to the agreement, its time to move on. And i want to stick to the agreement. Quayle okay. Well, you got the last word on that, but well come back to it. Bruno but youll have a chance i can see whats happening here we throw out the topic and then we drift. But thats okay, because i think its making for a healthy exchange. [laughter] the only thing i would ask of you mr. Gore im enjoying it. [laughter] mr. Bruno the only thing i would ask of you gentlemen is that when we get to the discussion period, whoever talks first be considerate of the others, because you have a tendency to filibuster. Mr. Quayle look over there. [laughter] mr. Bruno okay, im not pointing any fingers. Lets talk about the environment well get away from controversy. [laughter] Everyone Wants a safe and clean environment, but theres an ongoing conflict between Environmental Protection and the need for Economic Growth and jobs. So the point i throw out on the table is, how do you resolve this conflict between protection of the environment and growth in jobs, and why has it taken so long to deal with basic problems, such as toxic waste dumps, clean air and clean water . And, Vice President quayle, its your turn to start first. Vice president quayle hal, thats a false choice. You dont have to have a choice between the environment and jobs you can have both. Look at the president s record clean air legislation passed the Democratic Congress because of the leadership of george bush. It is the most comprehensive Clean Air Act in our history. We are firmly behind preserving our environment, and we have a good record with which to stand. The question comes about what is going to be their position when it comes to the environment . I say its a false choice. You ought to ask somebody in michigan, a uaw worker in michigan, if they think increasing the cafe standards, the fuel economy standards, to 45 miles a gallon is a good idea 300,000 people out of work. You ought to talk to the timber people in the northwest where they say that, well, we can only save the owl, forget about jobs. You ought to talk to the coal miners. Theyre talking about putting a coal tax on. Theyre talking about a tax on utilities, a tax on gasoline and Home Heating Oil all sorts of taxes. No, hal, the choice isnt the environment and jobs. With the right policies prudent policies we can have both. [applause] mr. Bruno admiral stockdale. Admiral stockdale i read senator gores book about the environment and i dont see how he could possibly pay for his proposals in todays economic climate. [applause] you know, the Marshall Plan of the environment, and so forth. And also, im told by some experts that the things that he fears most might not be all that dangerous, according to some scientists. You know, you can overdo, im told, environmental cleaning up. If you purify the pond, the water lilies die. You know, i love this planet and i want it to stay here, but i dont like to have it the private property of fanatics that want to overdo this thing. [applause] senator gore bill clinton and i believe we can create millions of new jobs by leading the environmental revolution instead of dragging our feet and bringing up the rear. You know, japan and germany are both opening proclaiming to the world now that the biggest new market in the history of World Business is the market for the new products and technologies that foster economic progress without environmental destruction. Why is the Japanese Business organization the largest one they have, the ki den ren arguing for tougher Environmental Standards than those embodied in us law . Why is miti their trade organization calling on all japanese corporations everywhere in the world to exceed by as much as possible the Environmental Standards of every country in which theyre operating . Well, maybe theyre just dumb about business competition. But maybe they know something that george bush and dan quayle dont know that the future will call for greater efficiency and greater environmental efficiency. This is a value an issue that touches my basic values. Im taught in my religious tradition that we are given dominion over the earth, but were required to be good stewards of the earth, and that means to take care of it. Were not doing that now under the bushquayle policies. They have gutted the Clean Air Act. They have broken his pledge to be the environmental president. Bill clinton and i will change that. [applause] mr. Bruno okay. Discussion period now. Again, leave time for each other, please. Vice president quayle, go ahead. Vice president quayle well, im tempted to yield to admiral stockdale on this. But i you know, the fact of the matter is that one of the proposals that senator gore has suggested is to have the taxpayers of america spend 100 billion a year on environmental projects in Foreign Countries senator gore thats not true Vice President quayle foreign aid well, senator, its in your book. On page 304 senator gore no, its not. Vice president quayle it is there. [applause] it is in your book. You know, hal, i wanted to bring the gore book tonight, because i figured he was going to pull a bill clinton on me and he has. Because hes going to disavow whats in his book. Its in your book senator gore no. Vice president quayle it comes out to 100 billion of foreign aid for environmental projects. Mr. Bruno all right. Lets give him a chance to answer. Vice president quayle now, how are we going to pay for it . How are we going to pay for an extra 100 billion of the taxpayers money for this . Senator gore dan, i appreciate you reading my book very much, but youve got it wrong. Vice president quayle no, ive got it right. Gore theres no such proposal. Senatorgore theres no such proposal. Vice president quayle okay, well, well find mr. Bruno let him talk, mr Vice President. Let the senator talk. Go ahead. Senator gore there is no such proposal. What i have called upon is a cooperative effort by the us and europe and asia to Work Together in opening up new markets throughout the world for the new technologies that are necessary in order to reconcile the imperatives of economic progress with the imperatives of Environmental Protection. Take mexico city for an example. They are shutting down factories right now, not because of their economy, but because theyre choking to death on the air pollution. Theyre banning automobiles some days of the week. Now what they want is not new laserguided missile systems. What they want are new engines and new factories and new products that dont pollute the air and the water, but nevertheless allow them to have a decent standard of living for their people. Last year 35 of our exports went to developing countries, countries where the population is expanding worldwide by as much as one billion people every ten years. We cannot stick our heads in the sand and pretend that we dont face a Global Environmental crisis, nor should we assume that its going to cost jobs. Quite the contrary. We are going to be able to create jobs as japan and germany are planning to do right now, if we have the guts to leave. Now earlier we heard about the Auto Industry and the timber industry. There have been 250,000 jobs lost in the Automobile Industry during the reaganbushquayle years. There have been tens of thousands of jobs lost in the timber industry. What they like to do is point the finger of blame with one hand and hand out pink slips with the other hand. Theyve done a poor job both with the economy and the environment. [applause] its time for a change. [applause] mr. Bruno admiral stockdale, you had something you wanted to say here . Admiral stockdale i know that i read where senator gores mentor had disagree with some of the Scientific Data that is in his book. How do you respond to those criticisms of that sort . Do you Vice President quayle deny it. Senator gore well [laughter] admiral stockdale do you take this into account . [laughter] senator gore no, i let me respond. Thank you, admiral, for saying that. Youre talking about roger revelle. His family wrote a lengthy letter saying how terribly he had been misquoted and had his remarks taken completely out of context just before he died. He believed up until the day he died no, its true, he died last year mr. Bruno id ask the audience to stop, please. Senator gore and just before he died, he co authored an article which was had statements taken completely out of context. In fact the vast majority of the worlds scientists and they have worked on this extensively believe that we must have an effort to face up to the problems we face with the environment. And if we just stick out heads in the sand and pretend that its not real, were not doing ourselves a favor. Even worse than that, were telling our children and all future generations that we werent willing to face up to this obligation. Vice president quayle hal, can i senator gore i believe that we have a mandate mr. Bruno sure. Weve still got time. Senator gore to try to solve this problem, particularly when we can do it while we create jobs in the process. Mr. Bruno go ahead, mr. Vice president , theres still time. Not much, though. Vice president quayle i know it. Weve got to have a little equal time here now, hal. In the book you also suggest taxes on gasoline, taxes on utilities, taxes on carbon, taxes on timber. Theres a whole host of taxes. And i dont just i dont believe raising taxes is the way to solve our environmental problems. And you talk about the bad situation in the Auto Industry. You seem to say that the answer is, well, ill just make it that much worse by increasing the cafe standards. Yes, the Auto Industry is hurting, its been hurting for a long time, and increasing the cafe standards to 45 miles per gallon, like you and bill clinton are suggesting, will put, as i said, 300,000 people out of work. Mr. Bruno okay, lets move on now. I would like to remind the audience of one thing. Trying to stop you from applauding may be a lost cause. I didnt say anything about hissing, but i do think it is discourteous, and theres no call for that, and it reflects badly on the candidate youre supporting. So lets knock that off. Lets go on to health care. Health care protection has become a necessity of life in our society, yet millions of americans are not ensured and the cost of medical treatment is practically out of control. How do you propose to control these costs and how are you going to provide access to health care for every american . Lets see, whose turn is it to go now . Vice president quayle i think its admiral stockdales. Mr. Bruno i think its admiral stockdales turn to go first. Go ahead, sir. Admiral stockdale well, we have excellent Technical Health care, but we dont administer it very well, and the escalating costs top any other budget danger in the on the horizon, i think. And what mr perot has suggested is that we try to re to look at the incentives, the incentives that are in our current way of doing business, are what are killing us. Theres theres no incentive for a hypochondriac not to go to the to medicare every day. There is no incentive for a doctor to curtail the expensive tests because hes under threat of malpractice lawyers. And so we we just have a web of wrongway incentives that has to be changed by some people who are in the medical profession and some other crafty people who know how to write contracts to change incentives or get get the the incentives situation under control. Mr. Bruno senator gore. Senator gore bill clinton and i believe that if a criminal has the right to a lawyer, every American Family ought to have the right to see a doctor of their own choosing when they need to see a doctor. There are almost 40 million americans who work full time today and yet have no Health Insurance whatsoever. We are proposing to change that, not with a governmentrun plan, not with new taxes, but with a new approach called managed competition. We are going to provide a standard Health Insurance package provided by private Insurance Companies and eliminate the duplication and red tape, and overlap, and were going to have cost controls to eliminate the unnecessary procedures that are costing so much money today. There was a Bipartisan Commission evenly divided between republicans and democrats who looked at our plan and the bushquayle proposal. They said ours will save tens of billions of dollars and cover every american. The bush proposal, by contrast, will cost us tens of billions and still leave americans uninsured. A but what i want to know is, why has george bush waited for 3 and a half years during this Health Insurance crisis before finally coming out with a proposal, just before the election, and he still hasnt introduced it in congress. Why the long wait, dan . Mr. Bruno mr Vice President. President quayle hal, president bush has had his Health Care Reform agenda on capitol hill for 8 months. Hes had parts of it up there for years. You talk about increasing costs that the president has had on capitol hill medical malpractice reform legislation for several years. Defensive medicine and health care today cost 20. 7 billion. Defense medicine defined as testing and treatment that is only necessary in case of a law suit. Wouldnt that be nice to take 20. 7 billion that were putting into our legal system and put it to Preventive Health care or Womens Health care or Something Else besides trial lawyers . But no you dont want to reform the Health Care System to drive down costs through medical malpractice. What youre doing you are talking about a government program. Your program is to ration health care. You said in your statement to see a doctor when you want to see a doctor. When you start rationing health care theres going to be a waiting line to see a doctor unless its an emergency. Remember when we rationed energy in this country . Waiting lines at the gasoline stations. The same thing would happen when you ration health care. The president s proposal deals with tax credits, deductions and purchasing health care in the private sector and making Health Care Affordable and available to every single american. Mr. Bruno admiral stockdale, would you like to start the discussion period . Admiral stockdale well, im out of ammunition on this senator gore well, let me talk then because ive got a couple of things that i want to say. Mr. Bruno go ahead, senator. Senator gore we still didnt get an answer to the question of why george bush waited for 3 and a half years Vice President quayle he didnt wait 3 and a half years. Senator gore during the national Vice President quayle i did answer the question. Senator gore Health Insurance crisis before he even made a proposal. And it still hasnt been submitted to congress in the form of legislation. I also want to respond to the question about malpractice. Do you know which state has the lowest malpractice premiums in the entire country . Bill clintons arkansas does partly because he has passed reform measures limiting the time during which malpractice suits can be filed. In fact, tort claims generally have fallen 10 under bill clinton there. But you know, thats not the reason for this Health Insurance crisis. The reason is, weve had absolutely no leadership. Let me tell you about a friend of mine named Mitch Philpot from marietta, georgia not far from here who tipper and i met with his family in Johns Hopkins hospital. Their son, brett, was in the bed next to our son and they couldnt pay their medical bills. They used to live in atlanta, but they lost their house. And while they were there, both mitch and his wife lost their jobs because they could not get unpaid leave. We pass legislation to give family leave under circumstances like that, exempting Small Business. How can you talk about family values, dan, and twice veto the family medical leave act . [applause] mr. Bruno mr Vice President. Vice president quayle pass our family leave act, because it goes to Small Businesses where the major problem is. Your proposal excluded Small Business. Thats the problem. Now, let me talk about health care and senator gore did you require it . Did you require it . Quayle my turn senator gore did you require inaudible quayle lighten up al. My turn. Senator gore its a free discussion. Vice president quayle take a breath, al. Inhale. Senator gore its a free discussion. [applause] did you require family leave in that legislation . Yes or no . Vice president quayle we offered incentives to Small Businesses. Yes or no senator gore thats a no, isnt it . Vice president quayle was Small Business exempted under your proposal . Senator gore yes. Quayle yes. And thats where Vice President the biggest problem is senator gore did you require it of anyone . Vice president quayle im going to get back to the topic again senator gore did you require it of anyone . Vice president quayle because he obviously doesnt want to talk about Health Insurance or health care, which you address. I was absolutely i shouldnt say that another clinton. You pulled another clinton on me because here you go again. Medical malpractice legislation has been before the congress of the us and you tried to convince the American People that bill clinton is for tort reform . The Biggest Campaign contributors to your campaign are the trial lawyers of america. We have a letter and were going to release it again to the media, if the media is interested where the head of the trial lawyers of arkansas said that bill clinton was basically in their back pocket, that bill clinton has always opposed tort reform of any kind. Its in the letter, we have it, well make it available because bill clinton is not for tort reform. Id like to know where bill clinton stands on Health Insurance. When he was campaigning in new hampshire, he said i am for the payorplay Health Insurance. Pay or play, thats a 7 to 9 payroll tax on every worker in america that participates in this program. Senator gore can i respond . Vice president quayle and then, all of a sudden, this summer he says, oh, im not for a pay or play. Here we go again. Bill clinton, one day hes for pay or play, the next day hes against pay or play. He does it in education. He writes polly williams, a democrat state legislator in milwaukee, wisconsin, saying im for choice in education; then he goes to the nea Teachers Union and says, sorry, im not for choice in education because you wont let me be for choice in education. One time bill clinton says term limits we ought to limit terms, its ridiculous that a member of congress can serve for 30, 40, 50 years, and you limit the terms of the president but thats another subject. Senator gore were fixing to limit one. [laughter] Vice President quayle its not going to be mine; its going to be people like you and kennedy and metzenbaum and George Mitchell and the rest of that Democratic Congress on capitol hill thats who were talking about. And thats who the American People as you well know, youve got term limits for a president , you dont have term limits for congress, and i think its absolutely ridiculous that we dont. Senator gore i want to respond to some of this. Vice president quayle here goes bill clinton again he says, well, term limits, thats an interesting idea, i think i might be in favor of that. Then his democratic friends in congress say, no, bill, you cant be for that. Bill clinton has trouble telling the truth. You have to tell the truth. Senator gore i want to respond, if i might. Mr. Bruno go ahead, senator, quickly. Senator gore you know, in response to my question before that long laundry list, he said that they had their own family leave proposal. It was just like the proposal of your party back when Social Security was first proposed. You said were for it as long as its voluntary. Same with medicare. You said were for it so long as its voluntary. Civil rights were for it so long as its voluntary. Bruno senator, im going to have to ask you to wrap this one up. Gore family leave is important enough to be required. Bruno okay, thanks. Coming out of health care, again trying to avoid controversy, lets talk about the abortion debate. [laughter] abortion rights has been a bitter controversy in this country for almost 20 years. Its been heightened by the recent Supreme Court decisions. So ill make it very simple in this question where do each of you stand on the issue . What actions will your president S Administration take on the abortion question . Will it be a factor in the appointment of federal judges, especially to the Supreme Court . And i believe that senator gore goes first. Senator gore bill clinton and i support the right of a woman to choose. [laughter] that doesnt mean were proabortion; in fact, we believe there are way too many abortions in this country. And the way to reduce them is by reducing the number of unwanted pregnancies, not vetoing Family Planning legislation the way george bush has consistently done. The reason we are prochoice and in favor of a womans right to privacy is because we believe that during the early stages of a pregnancy the government has no business coming in and ordering a woman to do what the government thinks is best. What dan quayle and george bush and Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson think is the right decision in a given set of circumstances is their privilege but dont have the Government Order a woman to do what they think is the right thing to do. We ought to be able to build more Common Ground among those who describe themselves as prochoice and prolife in efforts to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies. But, dan, you can clear this up very simply by repeating after me i support the right of a woman to choose. Can you say that . Mr. Bruno Vice President quayle, your turn. Vice president quayle this issue is an issue that divides americans deeply. I happen to be prolife. I have been prolife for my 16 years [applause] in public life. My objective and the president s objective is to try to reduce abortions in this country. We have 1. 6 million abortions. We have more abortions in washington, dc, than we do live births. Why shouldnt we have more reflection upon the issue before abor the decision of abortion is made. I would hope that we would agree upon that. Something like a 24hour waiting period, parental notification. I was in los angeles recently and i talked to a woman who told me that she had an abortion when she was 17 years of age. And looking back on that she said it was a mistake. She said she said i wished at that time, that i was going through this difficult time, that i had counseling to talk about the postabortion trauma, and talk about adoption rather than abortion. Because if i had had that discussion, i would have had the child. Lets not forget that every abortion stops a beating heart. I think we have far too many abortions in this country, in this country of ours. Mr. Bruno admiral stockdale. Admiral stockdale i believe that a woman owns her body and what she does with it is her own business, period. [applause] period. Mr. Bruno thats it . [applause] admiral stockdale i dont i, too, abhor abortions, but i dont think they should be made illegal, and i dont and i dont think its a political issue. I think its a privacy issue. [applause] mr. Bruno you caught me by surprise. Lets go ahead with the discussion of this issue. Senator gore. Senator gore well, you notice in his response, that dan did not say i support the right of a woman to choose. That is because he and george bush have turned over their party to pat buchanan and phyllis schlafly, who have ordered them to endorse a platform which makes all abortions illegal under any circumstances, regardless of what has led to that decision by a woman. Even in cases of rape and incest, their platform requires that a woman be penalized, that she not be allowed to make a choice, if she believes, in consultation with her family, her doctor, and others, whoever she chooses, that she wants to have an abortion after rape, or incest. They make it completely Vice President quayle senator, do you support a 24hour waiting period . Senator gore illegal under any of those circumstances. Now they want to waffle around Vice President quayle do you support a 24hour waiting period . Senator gore let me finish this, briefly. Now now you want to waffle around on it and give the impression that maybe you dont really mean what you say. But again, you can clear it up by simply repeating i support the right of a woman to choose. Ms. Say it. Mr. Bruno let him say it himself. Let him say his own words. Go ahead, mr Vice President. Vice president quayle thank you. Talk about waffling around. This issue is a very important issue. It has been debated throughout your public life and throughout my public life, and one thing that i dont think that it is wise to do, and that is to change your position. At one time, and most of the time in the house of representatives, you had a prolife position. Gore thats simply not true. Senatorgore thats simply not true. Vice president quayle in 1987, you wrote a letter, and well pass this out to the media senator gore that is simply not true. Vice president quayle you wrote a letter saying that you oppose taxpayer funding of abortion. Bill clinton has the same type of a record. Senator gore in some circumstances. Vice president quayle youre going to qualify it now. Senator gore and i still do. Vice president quayle and bill clinton, when he was governor of arkansas, also worked with the right to life people and supported right to life positions and now he has changed. Talk about waffling around. This is the typical type of clinton response. Even on the issue like abortion. Hes on both sides of the issue. Take the nafta agreement senator gore well, wait mr. Bruno lets stick with the question, mr Vice President. Vice president quayle how long did he have senator gore i know you want to change the subject, dan, but lets stay on this one for a while. Vice president quayle how long did he have to wait or how quickly did he change his position on education . He changes his position all the time. Senator gore lets stay with this issue for a while. Vice president quayle bill clinton bill clinton has trouble telling the truth. 3 words he fears most in the english language. Mr. Bruno does anybody have any view about the appointment of judges on this . Vice president quayle tell the truth. Senator gore yeah, i want to talk about this, because the question was not about free trade or education. The question quayle talk about waffling. Youre the one who brought up the gore now, i let you talk. Quayle issue of waffling. Hes waffled on the abortion issue. Gore i let you talk. Let me talk now. Its going to be a long evening if youre like this, now. Quayle oh, no, its not gore dont change the subject bruno lets get on with it. Gentlemen, lets get on with it. Gore dont change the subject quayle well, answer my questions, then. Gore what you have done quayle answer my questions. On the 24 hour waiting period do you support that . Gore i have had the same position quayle do you support that . Gore i have had the same position on abortion in favor of a womans right to choose. Do you support a womans right to choose quayle do you support a 24 hour waiting period to have gore youre still avoiding quayle how about avoiding the question . Gore the question. Now, wait a minute. Let me tell you why this is so important. There are millions of women in this country who passionately believe in the right of a woman to privacy. And they want to stack the Supreme Court with justices who will take away the right to privacy. Make no mistake about it. That is their agenda [applause] and if you support them, dont be surprised that that is exactly what they want to do and that is why dan quayle refuses to say this evening that he supports the right of a woman to choose. I agree with admiral stockdale and the vast majority of democrats and republicans in this country. You know, one of the reasons so many republicans are supporting the clinton gore ticket is because theyve turned over the party to this right Wing Extremist Group which takes positions on issues like abortion that dont even allow exceptions for rape and incest. Mr. Bruno senator senator gore again, cant you just say you support the right of a woman to choose . Mr. Bruno could we give admiral stockdale a chance to jump in here if he wants to, if he dares to. Admiral stockdale i would like to get in i feel like im an observer at a pingpong game, where theyre talking about well, you know, theyre expert professional politicians that massage these intricate plots and know every nuance to em. And meantime, were facing a desperate situation in our economy. Ive seen the cost of living double in my lifetime. A new granddaughter was born in my family my granddaughter 3 weeks ago. And according to the statistics that we have that is, the perot group the chances of her seeing a doubling of the standard of living are nil. In fact, her children will be dead before another this standard of living is doubled. So what the heck lets get on with talking about something substantive. Mr. Bruno all right. Mr Vice President , youll have a chance to youll have a chance in the closing statements. Vice president quayle we need to get on mr. Bruno no, lets move on to another topic. Quayle just 15 seconds to respond. Gore well, can i have 15 seconds also . Bruno no, lets move on, gentlemen. Quayle ill tell you what. If bruno lets not were not horse trading. Were having a debate. Lets go on. Lets talk about the cities. Because thats where a majority of americans live, in urban areas, and theyre facing a financial and social crisis. Theyve lost sources of tax revenue. The aid that once came from the federal and state governments has been drastically cut. Theres an epidemic of drugs, crime and violence. Their streets, their schools are like war zones. Its becoming increasingly difficult to pay for public education, for transportation, for police and fire protection, the basic services that local government must provide. Now, everybody says, talks about enterprise zones, that may be part of the solution, but what else are your administrations really going to be willing to do to help the cities . Vice president quayle, its your turn to go first. Quayle well, hal, enterprise Vice President zones are important and its an idea that the president has been pushing, and theres been very strong reluctance on, with the Democratic Congress. Well continue to push it. We also want, hal, to have home ownership. I was at a housing sub a Housing Project in San Francisco several months ago and met with people that were trying to reclaim their neighborhood. They wanted home ownership. They didnt want handouts. And i was with the democrat mayor of San Francisco who was there supporting our idea. But when you look at the cities and you see the problems we have with crime, drugs, lack of jobs, i also want to point out one of the fundamental problems that we have in American Cities and throughout america today, and that is the breakdown of the American Family. I know some people laugh about it when i talk about the breakdown of the family, but its true. 60 of the kids that are born in our major cities today are born out of wedlock. We have too many divorces. We have too many fathers that arent assuming their responsibility. The breakdown of the family is a contributing factor to the problems that we have in urban america. Mr. Bruno admiral stockdale. Admiral stockdale i think enterprise zones are good, but i think the problem is deeper than that. I think we are you know, when i was i ran a civilization for several years, a civilization of 3 to 4 hundred wonderful men. We had our own laws. We had our own, practically our own constitution. And i put up i was the i was the sovereign for a good bit of that. And i tried to analyze human predicaments in that microcosm of life in the in the world. And i found out that when i really got down to putting out dos and donts, and lots of these included take torture for this and that, and this and that, and never take any amnesty, for reasons they all understood and went along with. But one of the we had an acronym, backus, and each one of those back was something for which you you had to make them hurt you before you did it. Bowing in public, making, making getting on the radio and so forth. But at the end it was us, backus. You got the double meaning there. But the us could be called the us, but it was unity over self, loners make out. Somehow were going to have to get some love in this country between races, and between rich and poor. You have got to have leaders and theyre out there who can do this with their bare hands, with working with, with people on the scene. Mr. Bruno senator gore, please. Senator gore george bushs urban policy has been a tale of 2 cities the best of times for the very wealthy; the worst of times for everyone else. We have seen a decline in urban america under the bushquayle administration. Bill clinton and i want to change that, by creating good jobs, investing in infrastructure, new programs in job training and apprenticeship, welfare reform to say to a mother with Young Children that if she gets a good job, her children are not going to lose their medicaid benefits; incentives for investment in the inner city area, and, yes, enterprise zones. Vice president quayle said theyre important, but george bush eliminated them from his urban plan, and then Vice President quayle well, thats not true. Senator gore and then, when they were included in a plan that the congress passed, Vice President quayle we have been for enterprise zones senator gore george bush vetoed the enterprise zone law, the law that included them, for one reason because that same bill raised taxes on those making more than 200,000 a year. Lets face up to it, dan your top priority really, isnt it, to make sure that the very wealthy dont have to pay any more taxes. We want to cut taxes on middleincome families and raise them on those making more than 200,000 a year. Vice president quayle what plan is that . Senator gore and if we can take our approach, the cities will be much better off. Mr. Bruno lets start the discussion period right here. Go ahead. Vice president quayle what plan is that thats just going to raise taxes on those making over 200,000 a year . You may call that your plan, but everyone knows that you simply cant get 150 billion in new taxes by raising the marginal tax rate to a top rate of 36 and only tax those making 200,000 a year. Its absolutely ridiculous. The top 2 which you refer to, that gets you down to 64,000; then you have about a 40billion shortfall that gets you down to 36,000 a year. Everybody making more than 36,000 a year will have their taxes increased if bill clinton is president of the us. And i dont know how youre going to go to urban america and say that raising taxes is good for you. I dont know how youre going to go to urban america and say, well, the best thing that we can offer is simply to raise taxes again. This is nothing more than a taxandspend platform. Weve seen it before. It doesnt work. Let me tell you about a story. Senator gore can i respond to some of that . Vice president quayle ive got a very good example senator gore can i respond to some of that . Vice president quayle when we talk about families here, because i was meeting with some former gang members in phoenix and los angeles and albuquerque, new mexico. And when i talked to those former gang members, heres what they told me why they joined the gang. They said, well, joining a gang is like joining a family. I said, joining a family . Yes, because the gang offered support, it offered leadership, it offered comfort, it was a way to get ahead. Where have we come if joining a gang is like being a member of the family . Mr. Bruno senator gore, you wanted to respond . Vice president quayle and thats why i think that families have to be strengthened, and you dont strengthen the American Family by raising taxes. Senator gore i do want to respond to that. Mr. Bruno go ahead, senator, admiral. Senator gore george bush and dan quayle want to protect the very wealthy. That is the group that has gotten all of the tax cuts under the bushquayle administration. Nobody here who is middle income has gotten a tax cut because middleincome families have had tax increases under bush and quayle in order to finance the cuts for the very wealthy. Thats what trickledown economics is all about. And they want to continue it. Were proposing to also require Foreign Corporations to pay the same taxes that american corporations do when they do business here in the us of america. George bush has not been willing to enforce the laws and collect those taxes. We want to close that loophole and raise more money in that way. Mr. Bruno senator, can we stick to the cities, sir . Senator gore excuse me . Mr. Bruno stick to the cities. Senator gore all right. Well, he, he talked about ways to raise money to help the cities. What were proposing is to invest in the infrastructure in cities and have targeted tax incentives for investment right in inner city areas. The enterprise zones represent a part of our proposal also, and strengthening the family through welfare reform. And you know the Bush Administration has cut out has vetoed family leave, they have cut Childhood Immunization and college aid. If you dont support parents and you dont support children, how how can you say you support families . Vice president quayle how about supporting parents and the right to choose where their kids go to school, al . Do you support that . Let the parents let the parents senator gore do you want me to answer . Vice president quayle public or private schools . Senator gore want me to answer . Mr. Bruno go ahead. Senator gore we support the Public School choice to go to any Public School of your choice. What we dont support and listen to what theyre proposing to take us taxpayer dollars and subsidize private schools. Now im all for private schools, but to use taxpayer dollars, when the people who get these little vouchers often wont be able to afford the private school anyway, and the private school is not Vice President quayle al, i think, i think its important senator gore under any obligation to admit them, that is a ripoff of the us taxpayer. Quayle thats important. This is a very this is a very important issue. Choice in education is a very important issue. Bruno let him respond. Quayle and he said that he was not for choosing giving the parents the right to choose to send their children to Public Schools. But its okay for the wealthy to choose to send their kids to private schools, but its not okay for the middle class and the working poor to choose where they want to send their kids to school. I think that its time that all parents in america have a right to choose where they send their kids to school to get an education. Mr. Bruno admiral stockdale, would you like to have the last word in this period . Admiral stockdale i i come down on the side of freedom of school choice. The and theres a lot of misunderstandings that ive heard here tonight, that i may have the answer to. The starting at, you know, for the last, almost a decade, weve worried about our schools officially through washington, and the president had a meeting of all the governors, and then they tried the conventional fixes for schools, that is, to increase the certification of requirements for the teachers, to lengthen the school day, to lengthen the school year and nothing this is a very brief overview of the thing but nothing happened. And its time to change the schools structure. In schools, bureaucracy is bad and autonomy is good. The only good schools we have are those run by talented principals and devoted teachers, and theyre running their own show. How many times have i thrived . You know, the best thing i had when i ran that civilization, it succeeded, and its a landmark. The best thing i had going for me was i had no contact with washington for all those years. [laughter] [applause] senator gore could i respond . Mr. Bruno we have to go on. What im about to say doesnt apply to the debate tonight; it applies to the campaign thats been going on outside this auditorium. With 3 weeks to go, this campaign has at times been very ugly, with the tone being set by personal negative attacks. As candidates, how does it look from your viewpoint . And are these tactics really necessary . Admiral stockdale its your turn to go first. Admiral stockdale you know, i didnt have my hearing aid turned on. Tell me again. [laughter] mr. Bruno im sorry, sir. I was saying that at times this campaign has been very ugly with personal negative attacks. As a candidate, how does it look from where you are and are these tactics really necessary . Admiral stockdale nasty attacks well, i think there is a case to be made for putting emphasis on character over these issues that weve been batting back and forth and have a life of their own. Sure, you have to know where youre going with your government, but character is the big variable in the success. Character of the leaders is the big variable in the success long term success of an administration. I went to a friend of mine in new york some years ago and he was a president of a Major Tv Network and he said, you know, i think we have messed up this whole this election process it was an Election Year by stressing that putting out the dogma that issues are the thing to talk about, not character. He said, i felt so strongly about this, i went back and read the lincolndouglas debates. Read those debates. How do they come down . Douglas is all character. He knows all of the little stinky numbers these guys do. Abraham lincoln had character. Thank god we got the right president in the civil war. But that is a question that is a valid one, and you know, i would like to brag about the character of my boss. Mr. Bruno okay, senator gore. Senator gore this election is about the future of our country, not about personal attacks against one candidate or another. Our nation is in trouble and it is appalling to me that with 10 million americans out work, with the rest working harder for less money than they did 4 years ago, with the loss of 1. 4 Million Manufacturing jobs in our nation, with the health care crisis, a crisis of crime and drugs and aids, substandard education, that george bush would constantly try to level personal attacks at his opponent. Now, this, of course, just reached a new low last week when he resorted to a classic mccarthyite technique of trying to smear bill clinton over a trip that he took as a student along with lots of other rhodes scholars who were invited to go to russia. Its a classic mccarthyite smear technique. I think the president of the us ought to apologize. I think that he insulted the intelligence of the American People and im awful proud that the American People rejected that tactic so overwhelmingly that he decided he had made a mistake. Do you think it was a mistake, too, dan . Mr. Bruno okay. Vice president quayle. Vice president quayle let me answer the question. Hal, you said and i wrote it down here personal negative attacks. Has anyone been reading my press clippings for the last 4 years . But i happen to i agree with one thing on with senator gore, and that is that we ought to look to the future, and the future is, whos going to be the next president of the us. And is it a negative attack and a personal attack to point out that bill clinton simply has trouble telling the truth . He said that he didnt even demonstrate he told the people in arkansas in 1978. Then we find out he organized demonstrations. You know, i dont care whether he demonstrated or didnt demonstrate. The fact the question is, tell the truth. Just tell us the truth. Today, bill clinton excuse me yesterday in philadelphia on a radio show, just yesterday on a radio show, he attacked admiral, he attacks ross perot saying the media is giving ross perot a free ride. The press asked him when the klieg lights are on, said what do you mean by ross perot getting a free ride . He says i didnt say that at all. I mean, you cant have it both ways. No, i dont think that is a personal attack. What i find troubling with bill clinton is he cant tell the truth. You cannot lead this great country of ours by misleading the people. Bruno all right, gentlemen, the control room advises me that in order to have time for your closing statements, which we certainly want, there simply is not going to be time for a discussion period on this particular topic. So lets go to the closing statements. You have 2 minutes each. And well start with admiral stockdale. Admiral stockdale i think the best justification for getting ross perot in the race again to stay is that were seeing this kind of chitchat back and forth about issues that dont concentrate on where our grandchildren the Living Standards of our children and grandchildren. He is, as i have read in more than one article, a revolutionary; hes got plans out there that are going to double the speed at which this budget problem is being cared for. It was asked how, if we would squeeze down so fast that we would strangle the economy in the process. That is an art, to follow all those variables and know when to let up and to nurse this economy back together with pulls and pushes. And theres no better man in the world to do that than that old artist, ross perot. And so i think that my closing statement is that i think im in a room with people that arent the life of reality. The us is in deep trouble. Weve got to have somebody that can get up there and bring out the firehoses and get it stopped, and thats what were about in the perot campaign. Mr. Bruno thank you. [applause] senator gore, your closing statement, sir. Gore three weeks from today, our nation will make a fateful decision. We can continue traveling the road we have been on, which has led to higher unemployment and worse economic times, or we can reach out for change. If we choose change, it will require us to reach down inside ourselves to find the courage to take a new direction. Sometimes it seems deceptively easy to continue with the old habits even when theyre no longer good for us. Trickledown economics simply does not work. We have had an increase in all of the things that should be decreasing. Everything that should have been increasing has been going down. We have got to change direction. Bill clinton offers a new approach. He has been named by the other 49 governors, republicans and democrats alike, as the best and most effective governor in the entire us of america. Hes moved 17,000 people off the welfare rolls and on to payrolls. He has introduced innovations in health care and education, and again, he has led the nation for the last 2 years in a row in the creation of jobs in the private sector. Isnt it time for a new approach, a new generation of ideas and leadership, to put our nations people first and to get our economy moving again . We simply cannot stand to continue with this failed approach that is no good for us. Ultimately, it is a choice between hope and fear, a choice between the future and the past. It is time to reach out for a better nation. We are bigger than george bush has told us we are, as a nation, and we have a much brighter future. Give us a chance. With your help, well change this country and we cant wait to get started. [applause] mr. Bruno Vice President quayle. Vice president quayle thank you, hal. Id like to use this closing statement to talk to you about a few people that i have met in these last 4 years. I think of a woman in chicago when i was talking to parents about education where she stood up and said im sick and tired of these schools in this city being nothing but a factory for failure. And thats why we support choice in education. I was in beaumont, texas, and met with Small Business people, and they wanted to reform the Civil Justice system because they think our legal system costs too much and theres too much of a delay in getting an answer. I was in middletown, ohio, talking to a welfare woman, where she said i want to go back to work and i had a job offered to me but im not going to take it because i have 2 children at home and the job that is offered to me doesnt have Health Insurance. Under president bushs Health Care Reform package that woman wont have to make a choice about going back to work or health care for her children, because shell have both. I was in vilnius, lithuania, independence square, speaking to 10,000 people in the middle of winter. Hundreds of people came up to me and said god bless america. Yes, in the next 4 years, as i said, somewhere, some time, theres going to be a crisis, and you need to have a president that is qualified, has the experience, and has been tested. Not one time during this evening, during 90 minutes, did al gore tell us why bill clinton is qualified to be president. He never answered my charges that bill clinton has trouble telling the truth. The choice is yours. The American People should demand that their president tell the truth. Do you really believe do you really believe bill clinton will tell the truth . And do you, do you trust bill clinton to be your president . [applause] mr. 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