Both parties. It is a futile effort to continue to call for the repeal of obamacare. That is not realistic. The debate and actually moved the ball backward on getting reform and places we need. I do not like tying the provision of Health Insurance to employment. I think that is a mistake. They cut and 40 hours to not have to meet the mandate. Another thing hits utah unusually hard, the tax on sales of medical devices. We have the medical devices industry in utah. Im upset that harry reid would refute that amendment to that provision out of tax reform legislation. I would like to see that repealed. There are some things that we , that parents can keep their children on their insurance policies, preexisting conditions. Ite of these solutions, seems obvious. Lets keep the parts we like and work at what we dont like on a bipartisan basis and not have it polarized dialogue. Criticism ofrpest the Affordable Care act . The Affordable Care act is not affordable. It is not sustainable. That is the biggest problem i have with it. It was meant to fit as many people on insurance as possible. We have fewer people insured today than we did before. From ally got an email lady who got kicked off of her insurance and had to be forced onto the exchange. She was elated to find out her cause were going to be 134 a month. Then was dismayed when her deductible was 6,000. She would not be able to afford to go to the doctor. We do need to afford we knew we do need to repeal obamacare. But we need to know we are going to replace it with. My plan improves Patient Experience and outcomes. We need to make sure that we allow people to buy insurance across state lines. We want to remove the berlin and for decisionmaking in the hands of patients and doctors. We need broad freemarket reform to health care. Able to align the incentives with the outcome. If we are able to do all of these things, it will give people access to health care. Opportunity for rebuttal . We need to roll up our sleeves and go to work on a bipartisan basis. We had the polarization that resulted from a shutdown into any discussion of reforming it. It is lamentable. There are many provisions we need to fix. I talked to my wife about this all the time. There are mandates on outcomes rather than processes. I believe strongly that we can leave it up to medicine to govern itself if we set those goals. We need to address affordability. Your opportunity . I agree we need to remove the medical devices tax. It is killing jobs. I want to address this notion of extremist. Of debt, the hijacking of 20 of our economy through obamacare without bipartisan support. Extreme is ignoring the rising cost of to wish in an attacking your opponent for trying to find solutions. To one of the you more beautiful corners of the fourth Congressional District. Carlquestion comes from who lives in spring city. He says the narrows project in central utah is important to the residence of the county. Please tell me what your position is on the narrows project. , what you would do in congress to advance or kill the project. I can tell you why it is such a long explanation. They have been fighting this for 90 years. It is a long time to fight for this project. Have ait sad that you city that cannot have water for farming. They are actually rationing out there water. I find it disheartening. This project was held up in congress for the past few years and it started up again and they are having problems with the environment process. I think we need to do everything we can to support these projects and understand that water and transportation is a lifeline to any city. If you do not have it you cannot drive and continue to grow. I support the project. Only my going to help get that project through im going to do everything i can to expedite that project. Doug collins. A beautiful corner of the district. I have visited several times. I support the project. It is time to get that water turned around. This is a function of congress is not think the field. Wasll mention my father heavily involved in the utah water project. Love the details i am wellsuited to get into that and help the stakeholders come together and work on a solution. Even things we couldnt disagree on. To fixroken and i want it. It is in my nature to bring different people together. , the washington board whererness they brought stakeholders together, got a sensible , so i think that we it puts the interest of utah hardworking Families First and im going to go to work on. Hose solutions that we need wexler may exercise my prerogative and give you each one minute. In my district it is critical infrastructure. But if it is built in your state it is pork politics. How do you differentiate between the proper appropriation of federal dollars to benefit your district as opposed to weighing ratio andnd benefit other locales. I can draw directly from my experience. In put on aed priority level many projects. Funds were coming back from our taxpayer dollars and those funds projectng to a specific that the federal government wanted to put in. The same project that would cost us 260,000 cost over 1 million for the federal government to put in the project. What i would like as a former mayor and as i speak to mayors across the district, they want to release the handcuffs. It is the government stopping them from doing. Stopping them from addressing the issues that their constituents want. As i go to the district they have all specific issues. That is something i want to make sure i removed. The public good and investing too much . It is part of the role of a congressman to look after his or her district three i favor into the investment in tracks extension. I support that. I will go to work on issues that will invest in business and growth in my district. You need to have the punch is notic interest at heart and engage in things that are wasteful. Sometimes this is a simple congressional dysfunction where we see congress has to punt its functions because congress on theextricate itself decision. Sometimes that make sense to do that. I would rather see members of congress be responsible if their best judgment is not adequate for the district. If a Congress Member cannot explain it to the district. There is a larger public duty to take into account. Part of it is helping your district with investments in the future. , the realml question of National Security and surveillance. The question comes in several parts. To begin with, what is your view on the National Security agency surveillance activity . Would you support a law that prohibits mobile phone manufacturers from producing phones that cannot be easily monitored by nsa surveillance programs . Government be able to listen in . As an attorney i appreciate the liberties enshrined in the constitution. I have litigated many of them. I think the nsa should be entitled to survey citizens if they get a warrant. I support that. I dont know that making a cell phone that could never be surveyed would be consistent with the need for government if a proper warrant is obtained to to go after cell phones. I dont think i would support that legislation. Theour opportunity on government conducting surveillance. I cannot support it. I do believe that you are willing, one of our forefathers mentioned it, if youre willing to give up freedom in the name of security you are worthy of neither. The things that makes this country great is the ability for people to make decisions, to have their privacy. Inhout the government coming and listening in on their conversations. Privacy is incredibly important. If there is clear evidence that there is someone threatening the life of americans, it is important for us to be proactive. Ofn it comes to privacy every individual we need to make sure we protect that. I am going to protect those individual rights and every other right that is enshrined in the constitution. Are questioner had a distinct followup. Im going to give you 30 seconds. Do you consider Edward Snowden a hero or trader traitor . Why do you think that . He release classified information to the International Surveillance programs involving. He United States mr. Owens . To the accounts i have read he has committed crimes dream he has released government secrets to the public. I understand it has endangered particular individual. I dont want to use harsh terms but he sounds like the accusation that he has committed crimes against the country. On the opinion highprofile case . One of the things that is unfortunate Many Americans do not have trust in the government. The trust in the administration is not there. It is hard to differentiate what information we are given is true and which isnt true. It is hardly you not have a transparent government. I would say that i certainly ape if this person is just weeblower he is not would be able to protect his rights and be able to bring him back home. I hope that we would be able to protect his individual rights. As frequently happens, we have fallen into a gray area. Not enough time for another question but perhaps enough to extend your closing comments. Note, imn just one 92nd to extend you an u opportunity. Thank you. Thank you for tuning in tonight and getting informed about the election. It has been a privilege to go out on the campaign trail and get acquainted by so many fine people and hear about their aspirations and hopes for the future of our state and country great we havent had inherited a great country. Our state and country. We have inherited a great country. I want to go to work to fix issues. I want to end the gridlock in washington. I will work with both parties to get things done. I think we have got to get Congress Working again in a way that works for all of us, commonsense bipartisan solutions. You tony to representative who can go to washington and put utah first. Best that each party has, and take those ideas in a metarepair i find them to take those ideas no matter where i find them. We have to have a sense of humility. Take in account different viewpoints and find Common Sense Solutions and bridge gaps between those who have different viewpoints that are trying to address issues hitting us every day like the Social Security reform, obama care, immigration. I hope as an independent voice i be suited to find those solutions and Work Together to change the attitude in congress. Im not interested into playing by the rules. I will be a strong and independent voice for utah. Our final opportunity. Ando i believe that we have obligation to care for those who cannot care for themselves . I do. Luckily that we have the resources a i believe that we need federal government to force us to do what we already know we should do it is the day we are not deserving of the title americans. This is a great country conceived in liberty and american exceptionalism were people all over the world are willing to risk their lives to come to. We have an opportunity to do something area special here in the state to represent utahs voice and bring people along with us. I am not going to washington to be one of 435. Im going to washington to make sure i represent your values. I amis not about who running against. This is about what we are running for. We are running for our childrens way of life. We are running for freedom. We are running for our state. We are running for the ability to make decisions in our home. I am not asking you to trust washington. Im going to washington to tell them to trust you again. I believe this is a great state we can be a great example in this stage. I am asking for your support in representing our values. Im asking for your vote on november 4. God bless you, god bless utah, god bless our independent United States of america. Your timek you for this evening. Special appreciation to the university of utah. Since this is the final debate it is appropriate to thank all the Media Partners and television for printing support to these debates print it is a long list of people behind the scenes that labored to bring these debates, pacific lead the howell, theytt have all played important roles. The utah that they commission reminds you election day is tuesday, november 4. Good evening. Be part of cspan 2014 coverage. Follow us on twitter. Like us on facebook. Get debate schedules, video clips, debate previews from politics seems. You canu 117 insulate share your reactions to what the candidates are saying. The battle for control of congress, stay in touch and engaged by following us on twitter at cspan and letting us on facebook. Hampshire Jeanne Shaheen is facing scott brown. He served as a u. S. Senator in massachusetts until he lost reelection in 2012. He is running in new hampshire. We will bring you the latest debate tomorrow. Merkley isjeff running against monica webb being. You can watch that debate at 9 00 eastern. Next, the Treasury Department david cullen talks about defunding isis. Stephen harper addresses the gun attack on auto with parliament. In iowas fourth Congressional District steve king debates jim our. On the next washington journal we will talk about civil rights, the criminal justice system, and the police. And the new mortgage lending rules and the increasing lending with david stevens. Well be taking your calls, Facebook Comments and tweets. Like every morning at 7 00 eastern. The Treasury Departments david colonizes the best funded terrorist organization he has ever seen. Carnegieat the endowment for international peace. Good morning. I am marwan muasher, director of the middle east program. I want to welcome you to carnegie and thank you for joining us for this timely discussion on u. S. Efforts to disrupt the Financial Network that support Islamic State of iraq and the levant, what is called isis. I see there is enough interest in this room for this issue. Overflow. Public attention has focused on the military efforts to degrade isis, there is another effort being led by the Treasury Department, which is focused on shutting down the flow of money to isis from outside sources and through Smuggling Networks. It has been estimated that isis country produces over 50,000 barrels of oil for day, which can provide between one and 2 million per day of revenue. This is in addition to the funds the group collects from activities such as extortion, kidnapping, and illegal surcharges. Isis is considered the wealthiest terrorist organization. To discuss the strategy to try to cut off these funds, we are honored to have david cohen with us today. He is the undersecretary for terrorism and Financial Intelligence at the Treasury Department where he leads the department in enforcing, regulatory and intelligence functions aimed at identifying and disrupting Financial Support to International Terrorist organizations and other illicit actors posing a threat to National Security. He will discuss the terrorist financing challenge posed by isis and the measures the Treasury Department and other agencies are taking to a dress this thread. Following his remark we will open the floor to questions from the audience. For those who want to join the conversation online, we will be live tweeting this event using the disruptingisis, one word. Please join me in welcoming treasury undersecretary david cohen. [applause] good morning and thank you for that kind introduction and to the endowment for hosting here today. It is an honor to have the opportunity to lend my voice to the ongoing dialogue fostered by carnegie and the middle east studies program. Before i begin my remarks, i would note our sympathy and prayers with the people of canada. We are still working on gathering all of the information about the attacks yesterday and are working with our canadian counterparts. This is a tragic reminder of the reminder to remain vigilant in the face of terror. Our friends in ottawa will have whatever support they need from our National Security teams in the United States. I come this morning to discuss the endemic problem of violence extremism. The terrorist group known as Islamic State of iraq and the levant. I will describe the u. S. And International Efforts my team is leading to undermine their financial strength as part of a strategy to disrupt and defeat isil. Lindy review why we are so focused on isil. They have slaughtered thousands of innocent people who did not subscribe to their theology. They have persecuted religious they have brutally murdered aid workers and journalists who travel to syria just to bring a small measure of relief to the people or to tell their story. The vast majority of their victims are muslims. Isil threatens core u. S. Interests and american facilities in iraq and our regional allies including turkey and lebanon, who are already strained by the ripple effects in syria. It is attracting so many foreign fighters and securing a safe haven, isis could pose a direct threat to citizens of the United States and our allies outside the middle east. A terrorist organization with a stated desire to kill innocent people abroad must be confronted. That is why the International Community has come together to stop this threat. The president has cap a special envoy with a broad coalition, 60 partners strong from the middle east to europe, behind a strategy to degrade isis capabilities and ultimately defeat it. Isil has grabbed the world attention for its ambitions and astounding tally, but also for another reasoning, it substantial wealth. Their primary funding tactics enable it to generate tens of millions of dollars per month through the sale of stolen oil, the ransoming of kidnap victims, theft and distortion, and donations from supporters outside of syria and iraq. It is part of a broader strategy to degrade isil, we are intensifying our focus on undermining their finances. This is a whole of government effort. We are working closely with our counterparts in the state department, the department of defense, and the Intelligence Community. Were linked up with international counterparts. We hosted a meeting with the state department and brought together over 20 countries to identify Financial Measures to undermine isis and the illegitimate assad regime. Our efforts to combat the financing will take time. We have no silver bullet, no secret weapon. This will be a sustained fight and we are in the early stages. One thing is certain. So long as isis terrorizes the people of iraq and syria, we will remain committed to degrading its financial strength. In 2004, the office was created and charged with developing financial tools to combat financing, reflecting the recognition that one way to forestall attacks is to deprive organizations of money. Through the application of sanctions, operation with foreign partners, and enhancements to International Financial transparencies, we have made it harder for terror groups to raise and store and use funds. In many respects, our campaign will build on our work over the past 10 years and resemble our previous campaigns. To some extent isis poses a different challenge. It has amassed wealth and the Revenue Sources have a different composition than those of other terrorist organizations. Isil devise a small share of its funds from deep pocket owners and does not depend on moving money across international borders. Isis obtains the vast geordie of its revenues through local terrorist activities. Just as isis realize a new marginals to pose itself, we are adapting our techniques to combat the financial activities. Before turning to the steps were taking, and the detail these sources of revenue. First they have raised a significant amounts of money from selling oil extracts from field in syria and iraq. They have tapped into longstanding black markets connecting traders in and around the area. After extracting the oil, they sell to smugglers who transport the oil outside of their strongholds. These smugglers move oil in a variety of ways. We also understand that isil controls Oil Refineries and earn some revenue from the sale of refine petroleum products. So who is buying this oil . As of last month, isil was selling oil at discounted prices to a variety of middlemen, including some from turkey, who transfer or the oil to be resold. Some of the oil has been sold to kurds in iraq and resold into turkey. It seems the Syrian Government has made an arrangement to purchase oil from isil. It is difficult to get resized estimates on the value of these transactions. We estimate that beginning in may june, isil has earned 1 million a day from these oil sales. There are good indications that efforts have begun to impair isils ability to generate oil from energy smuggling. The supply network is threatened and depriving it of fuel to sell or to use itself. Our partners in the region including turkey are committed to preventing isilderived oil from crossing their borders. I souls ability to produce and smuggle oil had been significantly hampered. Isil also kidnaps innocent civilians to profit from ransoms paid to obtain the release. Isil did not pioneer kidnapping for ransom. It has been around for thousands of years. Other organizations also rely on ransom payments as a key revenue source. Kidnapping for ransom is one of the most significant threats today. These ransom payments are irregular, but each one can be a significant boon. They released captured journalists from several countries this spring. In return, they received several multimillion dollar payments. Isil has taken it at least 20 million in ransoms this year. Like its predecessor, isil raises money up to several Million Dollars for month through an extortion racket. They extract payments from those who pass through, conduct this is in, or seek to live in territory where it operates. Accounts of terrorist going homes to homes the many cash at gunpoint. A Grocery Store owner was warned with a bomb outside his shop. Others have seen their relatives kidnapped. Religious minorities have been forced to pay special tribute. When customers make cash withdrawals, isil has demanded as much as 10 of the value. This is not taxation in return for services or real protection. It is theft, pure and simple. The money takeover is being exchanged for the temporary absence of harm. Isil also profits from a range of other criminal activities. They rob banks. They loot and sell antiquities. They sell abducted girls and women as sex slaves. Isil derives some funding from wealthy donors. Even though they do not rely heavily on external donor networks, it maintains important links to financiers in the gulf. Isils Revenue Streams are diverse and deep. With the important exception of some statesponsored terrorist organizations, isil is probably the best funded terrorist organization we have confronted. Understanding this effort will take time and broad collaboration, we are wellpositioned to degrade their financial strength. Our strategy involves three elements. We are working to disrupt their Revenue Streams to deny it money in the first place. We aim to limit what they can do with the funds they collect by restricting their access to the International Financial system. We will impose sanctions on their Senior Leadership and financial facilitators to disrupt their ability to operate. The first element of our strategy is working to cut off isils main sources of funding, ransom payments, extortion and crime. To disrupt the marketed oil, we will target for financial sanctions anyone who trades in their stolen oil. It is true that oil moves in Illicit Networks that are largely outside the formal economy. At some point, the oil is acquired by someone cooperates in the legitimate economy for makes use of the financial system. He has a bank account. His trust may be insured. All that makes isil Oil Facilitators vulnerable. The traders and refiners and anyone else that handles their oil should know we are hard at work identifying them and we have the tools at hand to stop them. We can cut them off and freeze the assets and we can make it difficult for them to find a bank anywhere that will touch their money or process their transaction. In combating their fundraising through oil sales, we will leverage the reluctance of banks around the world to facilitate the financing of terrorism. We are working closely with others to enhance the ability of our partners in the region to choke off crossborder Oil Smuggling routes and to identify those involved in the Smuggling Networks. The turkish authorities have made commitments to combat whatever Oil Smuggling occurs in their territory. Our military is playing a significant role in degrading the source of funding through airstrikes. To prevent isil from raising funds through ransom, we are redoubling our efforts to transform against a payment it ransom into a more widely adopted practice. It has been policy to refuse the payment of ransoms or make other concessions to hostage takers. This policy rests on the premise confirmed by experience that explicit session policy reduces the frequency of kidnappings by eliminating the incentive to take hostages in the first place. In the context of hostagetaking by terrorists, this policy has greater force. We know that organizations use ransom money to fund the full range of their violent activities. Refusing to pay ransom makes it less likely that americans will be taken hostage but it deprives terrorists of funding critical to their deadly aspirations and operations. We maintain this policy not because we are coldhearted. The president we use all of our military intelligence, Law Enforcement to secure the release of american hostages. The attempts made this summer by u. S. Forces to rescue hostages being held reflect this commitment. But very simply, if we are to protect our citizens and avoid bankrolling our adversaries, every country must lament a no ransom policy. This norm is beginning to take place. Last year that payment of ransom was rejected by the g8. This year members of the Security Council have adopted resolutions reaffirming their shared commitment to seek the safe relief of hostages without making monetary or political concessions. Going forward we remain dedicated to freeing those taken and will continue to urge partner nations to subscribe to a noransom policy. We will look to use our sanctions authority against those who demand or receive ransoms on the half of terrorist organizations. We are concerned about the external donor networks. To prevent isil from raising funds, we will identify the Financial Supporters and target them from sanctions. We have focused on disrupting the Funding Networks of isil and its predecessor. We have applied sanctions against more than two dozen individuals over the past 10 or so years. We will continue to target those who would exploit the suffering of innocent people in syria and iraq, to raise money for their agendas. In the months ahead with plan to accelerate our efforts to identify targets for sanctions and take actions through our counterterrorism authority. President obama led the un Security Council in passing a binding resolution to stem the flow of foreign terrorist fighters into and out of iraq and syria. 2178 aims to prevent and suppress the flow of foreign fighters and money to isil. Were working with others to implement it swiftly. We are closely with our friends in the gulf, are partners in the antiisil coalition, to make sure they have the tools in place and they all use these tools effectively. We appreciate the close collaboration and strong steps taken by the saudis to combat isil financing. Even though isil does not rely heavily on their donor model, that is no reason to relax our efforts in this area. Particularly as we make progress in disrupting their current sources of income and as isil gains additional prominence, we must be prepared for the possibility that wealthy extremist will increasingly seek to fund it. As for disrupting the evident they generate from extortion, we recognize the tools are not well suited to the task. We will identify and designate the individuals who oversee their extortion networks, calling attention to those who are brutalized the people of iraq and syria. Our experience drives home the point that shutting down the revenue flow ultimately will require breaking its hold on territory. Other lines of effort are focused on this objective. Even where financial tools cannot it off certain streams, we still have a role to play. That brings me to the second key element. As he worked to disrupt their sources of income, and that brings me to the second key of our strategy. As we work to disrupt isils income, we need to impair ability to collect funds. Isils ability to make the use of the funds it collects depends on the sick on the banking system. Operating in cash is cumbersome and risky. Cash is bulky, vulnerable to theft, and requires complicated logistics to transport. Isil will have a hard time finding external operations, funding external operations without access to the International Financial system. We are working to end iso isils ability to transact through the banking systems. Bank branches are located in territories where isil currently operates. Through cooperation with iraqi authorities, bank coordinators, and International Financial community, we aim to prevent isil from using those bank ranches branches. The private sector is playing a key role in this element of our strategy. The Bank Secrecy Act provides the u. S. Government with valuable insight into financial activity in areas where i still operates. We carefully where isil operates. We carefully review these and disseminate information to the appropriate authorities. The third element of our strategy draws on our time sensitive approach to countering the financing of terrorism. We will continue to dismantle isils financial foundation, targeting its leadership, supporters, and financial facilitators. Running a terrorist organization, especially one that spans hundreds of miles, is both costly and bureaucratically challenging. In order keep track of all its revenues and costs, isil depends on complex measuring networks, with cfo like figures at the top. As we identify those individuals, we will expose and we have seen from our fight against isis and other organizations that can bring their that hampering their funds will make it harder for isil to conduct commercial and financial activities and clearly identifies for the International Community who stands behind this evil organization. Weve stepped up our designations of isil officials, those based in iraq and syria and their Financial Supporters outside the area. On september 24, treasury sanctioned two highprofile individuals associated with isil, a financial facilitator who arranged a 2 million donation from the gulf, and his senior military commander. Both were in syria soliciting donations, from procuring military equipment, and employing foreign fighters. These designations will not on their own stop the individuals, a their own stop the individuals, but they and designations the, frustrate isl isils ability to attract money and fighters. I would like to make one final point against in our campaign against isils financial funding. We should not confuse funding with strength. A terrorist groups overall financial strength turns not just on its income, but it expenses and the degree to which it can dedicate its resources to violent purposes. Isil operates within certain real constraints. Isils territorial ambitions are a financial burden. Attempting to govern the cities, towns, territory in iraq and syria where it currently operates, much less the motoring some modicum of Services Much less the liver and some modicum of services to the people it ekes to subjugate it seeks to subjugate is expensive. No one expects isil to deliver the same level of services that the legitimate Iraqi Government, the official iraqi budget for the provinces where isil currently operates is well over 2 billion. That far outstrips isils levering and does not include the price tag for the territory it seeks to dominate in syria. Isil cannot possibly meet the most basic needs of the people that it seeks to rule. As we make progress in diminishing isils revenues and its freedoms to use them, we will further exploited vulnerability. The consequences of isils inability to meet the cost of governing, by the way, were articulated very well in a recent report by with time, patience, and Close International operation, the steps i have outlined today will help undermine isils financial foundation. I must stress again however that the campaign against isils finances will require more than just financial tools. This is primarily because, given that isil is enriching itself locally, cutting off one key source of funds will require dislodging it from territories in which it operates, but more broadly, even as this campaign progresses, we recognize that the only solutions to the conflicts in iraq and syria are political in nature. The hateful ideology propagated by isil must be countered by tolerant, economically vibrant societies and governments that rule in an inclusive manner. These are longterm goals that the United States is deeply committed to fostering. So, while we work towards lasting solutions, treasury will continue to deploy innovative and him him strategies to disrupt isils finances. Together with our partners in the u. S. Government and across the globe, we will do great and ultimately defeat isil we will degrade and ultimately defeat isil. Thank you. [applause] thank you very much. Let me start the discussion with a couple of questions and then open it up to the audience. You just returned from a trip to qatar and saudi arabia. Both countries were where individuals continue to donate money to isil. What was your message to them, and how do you assess the state of fundraising in the gulf for such organizations . And thats right. I just last week was in saudi arabia and qatar. And the gulf is in or mislead important in the antisocial and i the antiisil and coalition, including the counterfinancing aspect of this. Weve made no secret over the years of our concerns with financing for terrorist organizations coming out of the gulf. I think we have made some significant progress in the gulf, but there is obviously more work to be done. If you go through each critical country individually, if you look at saudi arabia, for instance my meetings there were very good. The saudis are deeply committed to ensuring, to the best of their ability, that no money goes to isil or al qaeda or on nusra or al nusra front. They have made enormous strides in combating terrorist financing and are committed to ensuring that isil is not able to raise funds in the kingdom. In the uae, which i didnt visit on this most recent trip, though im a frequent visitor, they also are steadfastly committed to preventing funding for isil from nusra front. We have a very good, close relationship with the iraqis with the emiratis. We got a bilateral we have a bilateral task force where we will work more closely on combating terrorist financing. I think thats a very positive development and one that reflects an ongoing commitment by the emeratis. With respect to qatar and kuwait, i didnt make it to kuwait on this most recent trip. But general allen, who is spearheading this overall effort and is just embarking on a tour that will include kuwait and qatar, i have, in the past noted i have in the past noted that both kuwait and qatar are jurist jurisdictions with suspicion with specific concerns to nusra front and to isil. I think both countries have more work to do. In qatar, where i was last week, i had very good meetings with Senior Leadership. We discussed how best how best to in to address this problem. The emea emir proposed a new law to try and ensure that there are u. S. And u. N. Designad terrorist financiers in qatar that have not been acted against under qatari law. The u. N. Designated in august they are residents in qatar. With respect to kuwait, they are home to a number of u. S. And u. N. Designated terrorist financiers. They also have the laws and institutions in place to combat terrorist financing in kuwait. One thing we are particularly concerned about and two of the recent designees both were raising funds through social media. Through twitter appeals, in particular. They are raising funds not necessarily from within kuwait, but are also reaching out to others, including in saudi arabia to make appeals to raise funds. One of the areas where we are quite concerned is ensuring that in particular people who have been designated by the u. S. And the u. N. Are disrupted and unable to continue their fundraising activities. As i stay, i think there is more work to do, both encoder in qatar and kuwait. We been deeply engaged with both countries for a number of years. We have seen others make really substantial progress in combating terrorist financing. We are going to continue to work as closely as possible with our partners in the gulf on this issue. How would you address critics of u. S. Policy who say that this is not americas fight and that it should be better left to countries in the region and not to the United States . How do you see the campaign compressing progressing in the coming years . What would you look for to determine whether the strategy is working . First of all, this is certainly americas fight to some extent. What isil is doing threatens for u. S. Interest threatens core u. S. Interests. Whether it is the interest of some of our very close partners in the region, jordan, lebanon, turkey, it is a significant u. S. Interest. As well as the concerned that isil is attempting to create a safe haven for terrorism across that suite of territory, which is attracting foreign fighters. We have seen something on the order of 15,000 foreign fighters flow into the area from 80 or so different countries, including dozens of americans. It is deeply in our interest to confront isil, combat isil, defeat isil. But it is not our fight alone. The size of the antiisil coalition, 60 countries and organizations coming together to combat isil, 10 of which are involved in military strikes, i think demonstrates that this is viewed quite properly as a threat to many countries around the world. And then, as to how we will judge success of our particular efforts to address isil financing as i said, this is going to be a longterm effort. It is going to involve work that the Treasury Department does in designations, in exposing the networks. It will involve work of partners in other countries, turkey, elsewhere, where we are very much engaged. My deputy was in turkey a couple of weeks ago. General allen was there last week. We are continuing very close communication with the turks on these issues. And it will require an enhanced understanding of the Funding Networks that were combating that we are combating. Whether it is external donation networks i should note that we are very proud of the Treasury Department that we have inhouse i should note that we are very proud of the Treasury Department that we have inhouse intelligence agency. We are the only finance ministry in the world that has our own intelligence agency. What these folks do is help us understand the Financial Networks. They develop Financial Networks. It is enormously important that the Intelligence Community help us understand. I think we will see over time that we are degrading each of these lines of financing for i saw for isil. Isil has a fair amount of money today. What is critically important is that we do everything we can to prevent this from being recurring. Recurring revenue. Onetime revenue that we can address is one thing. We want to make sure that, as they have significant expenses, that they dont have a ready stream of recurring revenue. Lets open it up. We have about 20 minutes. We will take questions in batches of three. Please keep it short. [inaudible] a couple of questions. How would you assess what youve done so far . Also, you talked about how people in the gulf how some governments of the gulf have new tools that you want to make sure that they know how to use. What are these tools . You were talking about how you were trying to come up with novel ideas to raise funds. You have outlined anything new. Youve always had designations. What is new about what you are doing . I am with the National Endowment for democracy. I want to raise your attention for a few things. What about Informal Companies in turkey. In turkey . [indiscernible] one thing you didnt mention, agriculture. If you see in iraq, 80 of the wheat and corn is in the area. Thats a lot of money. Did you look in this area . A question from the back. Yes. Please. Im from the International Center for terrorism studies. A big method of combating isis has been supplying materials and weapons to the Syrian Rebels and to the peshmerga. Should a priority be put on ensuring these supplies do not fall onto into isils hands and put less pressure on to their financial coffers . Lets start with these. We are in the early stages of these efforts. Some things that have been useful to the designations of both military and financial facilitators, which builds on the work that we have been doing for a number of years to identify people who are related to a july to hui as well as isil. This was helpful in my recent trip to the gulf, the highlight work that can be done. This is not going to be a connector size where we are going to, at the end of every month, be able to produce a Balance Sheet that shows what isils finances look like. This is going to be a steady effort that will do will degrade isils finances over time. The other area where i think we have seen and i noted we have seen some progress already is not something that weve done at the Treasury Department. It is something that our colleagues in the department of defense and their partners have accomplished in terms of strikes against isil oil facilities. Oil refineries in particular. It impedes their ability to self Refined Products and makes it more difficult for them to fuel their vehicles among both military and vehicles, both military and vehicles that may be smuggling oil. I think those are efforts the one other answer to your question about whats new weve also begun conversations with the Iraqi Government and with other financial regulatory authorities. About our concerns with Bank Branches that are within the isil controlled territory. It is a difficult problem. Our interest is not in shutting down all Economic Activity in the areas where i sold were isil currently operates. They are subjugating huge swaths of the population, millions of people who are still trying to live their lives. Banks are important lubricants for the economy. At the same time, we are very concerned about isil possibility isils ability to coopt or coerced the Bank Employees into using the bank as a way for them to coopt or coerce the Bank Employees into using the bank as a way for them to operate. I dont know if this is new or old, but a new manifestation of the core competency, which is working with financial counterparts, both in the Iraqi Government and outside, to see what can be done to try and prevent isil from making use of these branches. On the question of the informal means to move funds not everything moves through the financial formal sector. We have done it in afghanistan. Good intelligence on who is involved in these activities. It requires the cooperation and collaboration with partners in the region. You cited one end of that transaction was in saudi arabia. I think they are fully engaged in the effort to combat isil financing. We will work with partners in the region on these issues. With respect to the question on agriculture and isil selling weapons. They are able to engage in activities within the territory where they are currently operating, whether it is stealing crops and selling them for coming into weapons that have been left behind selling them or coming into weapons that have been left behind, that is all activity that we are aware of, that there are ways to address, particularly if it is going beyond the borders of where they operate. But, fundamentally, its going to require pushing back isil from the territory where it operates and freeing the lands where they are, as well as that will work on the extortion networks. It will work on the fulfilling of crops they are stealing. Could you please talk a little bit about you said there had been some success in your conversations with countries, im guessing primarily european countries, about no longer paying ransoms to isil and other terror groups. Could you be more specific about which countries are coming around . Barbara slaven. How do you deal with the fact that there are mixed motivations on the part of the members of the coalition, with many of them putting a priority on getting rid of bashar assad, particularly turkey . There are many folks who seem to have an ambivalence about the activities of the Islamic State. If i could also throw in an iran question how much progress have you made in setting up financial channels for people who want to do legitimate business with iran . Will there be a blessed channel between an american and an iranian bank if we get a comprehensive Nuclear Agreement . In the back. Please, sir. Thank you. I had a quick question regarding the oil trade. You said that some of the oil providers from the territory that isil is controlling is sold to kurds in iraq and to turkey. Could you clarify what percentage of this royally screwed and what percentage is refined of this is crude and what percentage is refined . What is your position on this issue . You said you are working there with the wall street journal congo to follow up on the oil trade i am with the wall street journal. To follow up on the oil trade, has been u. S. Identified what routes are being used question mark are being used . I will do this in reverse order. What weve seen our tankers are truck tankers, not ship tankers. In response to the question to how the oil is moving, what the smugglers look like, what were doing about it, i dont have much more detail that i can provide today beyond what a marty said. These beyond what ive already said. These smuggling routes have existed for a long period of time, long before isil was active in the territory. What may have been a willingness to look the other way, to see to not be knowledgeable about the origin of the oil that these Smuggling Networks are using i think these Smuggling Networks, its not just oil. There are other commodities that have for dozens or hundreds of years moved through these Smuggling Networks. The ability of people at the end of these networks to be unaware of the origin of the oil may have been people stealing oil from the syrian or Iraqi Governments and selling it through these networks. What is different is that we now know and they now know that this oil the trade in this oil fundamentally funds this terrorist organization. What may have been a willingness to look the other way in the st is something that cannot continue going forward. We will try to emphasize that message rhetorically and through actions as we identify the people involved in those networks. With respect to competing ambivalence or what have you, i will leave the diplomacy to the diplomats. I dont sense any ambivalence whatsoever among the key partners on the importance of combating isil financing. Even with respect to what i was saying on cutter and kuwait on qatar and kuwait, neither of those countries are saying to me that they are indifferent to the funding of isil coming from the territory. Both of those countries are aware of the qataris have a new law regarding charities. They have longstanding legislation that allows them to designate individuals and designate terrorist organizations, as they are obligated to do under un Security Council resolutions. The kuwaitis also have both the institutions and the Legal Framework to do essentially what we do, which is to take administrative action against terrorist financiers. Those are the tools that are available. We are going to continue to work with both jurisdictions so that they employ those tools as effectively as possible. On the question about ransoms and where weve had success, i do think it is notable that, in the last year plus, you had the g8 come out a very strong statement about the payment of ransoms and then you had two un Security Council resolutions that, one, specifically focused on ransom payments and the other, in the context of the foreign terrorist fighters, also noted the importance of not paying ransoms to terrorists. That is a very significant declaration of adherence to a no ransoms policy. The trick is translating that into practice and being committed as a matter of fact to a policy and approach that is becoming a broader international norm. That requires some very hard choices to be made and recognition of the importance of adopting a no ransoms policy as a means to protect all of our citizens. As i noted in my remarks, isil received something on the order of 20 million in ransom payments. That means that not everybody has committed to the no ransoms policy as certainly as we have. The british are, too. They have, like us, long adhered both inward word and in practice to a no ransoms policy both in word and in practice to a no ransoms policy. You im afraid thats all the time we have. Please join me thank you so much. Im afraid thats all the time we have. Please join me in thanking the undersecretary. [applause] please stay seated until the undersecretary is able to leave. 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We will now have a moment of silence for private or flexion and meditation. Private reflection and meditation. Amen. [applause] i understand there have been consultations among the parties and there is agreement to hold a moment of silence and memory. The right honorable Prime Minister. [applause] thank you colleagues, mr. Speaker. I would like to begin today by acknowledging and thanking the leader of the opposition as well as the honorable members for their encouraging words last night. [applause] mr. Speaker, in our system in we are opponents, but we are never enemies. We are all canadians. [applause] we may sit across the aisle from one another, but when faced with attacks on the country we all love and the things we all stand for, i know we will always stand together. [applause] speaker, today, more than ever before, i am very happy to see all of my colleagues from all parties in good Health Across the aisle. May be used that mr. Speaker, through you, to provide a little bit of light to my colleagues, i think my position and growing number of gray hairs and titles me to do this once in a while. That is just to say we all here are engaged in extremely demanding and stressful jobs, youthe stress that many of faced yesterday was really beyond and above anything that any of us are really expecting to face. I would just say while we resume our duties, and i will talk about that in a moment, i would encourage everybody here to take care of their house. Be sure you find some time to relax in the next little while. Also, if any of you, because we are not all in perfect health, if any of you are experiencing any undue physical stress as result of what occurred yesterday, please take the time to see a physician and get that check doubt. Get that checked out. [applause] i also just want to say to canadians, we heard a lot of feedback from canadians yesterday. We are all used to the feedback we get very regularly from today. Much of it in the form of brickbats, and some of it deserved, but in this case, mr. Speaker, i think we all experienced the tremendous outpouring of form and affection and good wishes from people across the country, and we thank them, all of us. [applause] i just also want to convey all the good wishes that i heard personally, not just from canadians but from our friends outside the country. I heard from president obama, from Prime Minister abbott, Prime Minister netanyahu, through statements from Prime Minister cameron. We have heard these expressions across the world. We are all touched by the wonderful gesture shown last night at the Pittsburgh Penguins hockey game bit thanks to our friends in the United States and around the world. [applause] of course, mr. Speaker, we know all too well that this is not a happy day for everybody, in particular a terribly sad day for all of the family, loved ones, friends and colleagues of o and patriceirill france while. Ande have seen photos pictures of these beautiful guys , and our hearts really are with all of them. We are so fortunate to have this, the last couple of decades we see across the world and increasing crisis where the planet is descending into savagery. There are people who every day of their lives stand on guard for this country and for all of us. We obviously want to convey our gratitude to these two servicemen and their families but also to all the people who undertake this extremely dangerous work. [applause] fix is to speaker, i spoke of the state of much of the world. Who arefor all of us blessed to live in a country like this, it is hard to understand how we can have people who are involved in a movement who so want violence, who so despise progress, who so hate that they can desire to drive medical workers from their community, harm them, how they can enslave women, torture kill,en, and how they can want to kill anyone who looks different than them. It is in a sense, mr. Speaker, beyond our comprehension, but it is very real. In the struggle in which we are only ourin which not finest values must be put to work, so must be and will be the. Ighest unity and resolve they are our ultimate and indispensable weapons, and thats what these people will face. Mr. Speaker, as regards the events of yesterday and in a few days, many questions remain unanswered. And during the course of the police investigations, we will find answers to these questions. However, i can tell the house this today, the objective of these attacks was to instill fear and panic in our country and to interrupt the business of government. Well, members, as i said yesterday, canadians will not be intimidated. [applause] we will be vigilant, but we will not run scared. We will be prudent, but we will not panic. As for the business of government, well, here we are in our seats, in our chamber, and the very heart of our democracy and our work. [applause] mr. Speaker thomas this house personifiesse city canadas spirit. Tocanada will not yield terrorism and neither will this house of commons. We carry on. Countrystend to the affairs and we will be faithful to the trust that people have placed in us. As i saidpeaker, earlier and as i have been saying for a long time, we live in a dangerous world. Terrorism has been here with us for a while and dangerously close on a number of occasions. I speak, for example, i draw our members attention back to incidents such as toronto 18, the via rail conspiracy and 2013, and i could point to a number of others, as well as many that most will never know about. For that reason, and with the that canadaecurity is the governments primary responsibility, we have over the years pass such legislation as the combating terrorism act and the strengthening Canadian Citizenship act to better protect canadian and secure institutions. Last week our government proposed amendments to the legislation under which the Canadian Security Intelligence Service operates. In recent weeks i have been saying that our laws and Police Powers need to be strengthened in the area of surveillance, attention, and arrest. They need to be much strengthened and i assure you, mr. Speaker, that work which is already underway will be expedited. [applause] in conclusion, mr. Speaker, we are all aware and deeply troubled that both of this weeks terrorist attacks were carried out by canadian citizens, by young men born and raised in this peaceful country. Concern, andis wonder what weakness could lead someone to reject a nationality that so many people in so many countries want for their children. That is a question for another day. For now, make no mistake, even as the brave men and women of our armed forces are taking this fight to the terrorists on their own territory, we are equally resolved to fight it here. We live in dangerous times, yes, but the mission of our country and the work of this parliament goes on. And so does the work throughout this city. Word, just say one final and recognizing all of the heroics of yesterday. First of all, i know so many i could certainly speak personally to my staff at 24 charbonneau,oger the chefs, tim and tina, who were up all night. That i know people who for all of us across the country here in ottawa are working day and night to make things as easy as possible, officials who are busy at work trying to respond to the situation, First Responders and citizens who put themselves in harms way when this incident began to unfold. But obviously, mr. Speaker, and in conclusion, most particularly the men and women of our Security Forces, the Royal Canadian mounted police, Canadian Armed forces, the city of ottawa police, and most particularly of course, mr. Speaker, i would be very remiss if i did not conclude in acknowledging specifically the work of the Security Forces here in parliament and the great work of our sergeant at arms. [applause] [applause] be part of cspans campaign 2014 coverage. Follow us on twitter and like us on facebook to get debate schedules, video clips of key moments, debate reviews from our politics team. 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For decades, i will press has brought you political leaders and newsmakers from across iowa and beyond. Celebrating more than 40 years of broadcast excellence on statewide iowa public television, live from the campus of unit is to university, this is a special debate edition of iowa press. Here is dean boyd. [applause] welcome to university university, anderson auditorium. We are in iowas fourth Congressional District. That is the northwestern counties, by and large, including a region from ames to mason city, westward to denison and sioux city. 39 of iowas 99 counties. Steve king is the incumbent here. First elected in 2002, seeking a seventh term. Although the boundaries change with the redistricting every 10 years, republicans have represented some counties in what is now the Fourth District since the mid1960s. Democrat jim mowrer is campaigning to change that. He is an Iowa National guard iraq veteran. He served as a civilian in appointments at the pentagon. Welcome to iowa press. I feel like i am masquerading here in another body, but this is me, but now my voice. Well get through it together. You are both familiar with the traditional iowa press format, but we are in a different setting with a wonderful audience. In addition to the television viewers, those in the audience have agreed not to cheer during the onehour debate. We are following the regular format with which you are familiar, and that is no preset debate rules, just an exchange of ideas and issues. I will be moderating, and questions will be coming from multiple journalists. Dean borg, kay henderson, and kathie obradovich. What do you point to as your signature accomplishment . I think that my record comes down to the bad ideas that have been killed or stalled. I want to recognize that my fight against obamacare i do not think that anybody fought as strongly as i have. But in the middle of the gridlock, we passed a good farm bill that will be here for the next five years or longer. Well see the foundation of agriculture and iowa be stronger because of the Risk Management program in this new farm bill, too. We have seen an increase in value in a 2 billion in farm land value. That does not include a property, great in the been, collect grain in the bin. I have enjoyed the support of all the major agricultural groups in this campaign and others. This district is a republican Voter Registration edge. If you were elected, you would be a part of a minority. What is your argument for how you would be an effective representative . The one thing i hear the most when i travel be 39 counties is that they understand that congress is broken. It is not getting the job done. We have representatives a have a record of not working with anyone across the aisle. We need to send more representatives with a record of pragmatic results to get Congress Moving again. My opponent has no record. I have a record of saving my money and saving taxpayers billions of dollars at the pentagon. You have a look on your face as though you do not believe that. Ive heard many things Biggest Campaign that i do not believe, that is one of them. The statement that my opponent established the office, i voted for that. It passed the house and senate and was signed into law october 22 of 2008. The gentleman arrived in january, or even february of early 2010. The office of business transformation was done by congress at the hand of john mccue, now the secretary of the army. I served with him. Was tasked to oversee setting up the office of business transformation, and work closely with secretary mccue. A former Republican Congress and from new york. Congressman from new york. Ive heard it said that you have never accomplish anything by working across the aisle. The you dispute that or is that true . Do you dispute that or is that true . You are an outlier, your summary that says things outside of the traditional publican line. Republican line. An outlier is someone that such a trend. Someone that may not sets a trend. If you talk about working across the aisle, that is how we got the farm bill done. That is why were able to get a bipartisan vote. We had a good farm bill with rid i was support engaged in all of that, three and a half years just to get to that point. Gentlemen, here in storm lake , this is the most racially diverse county in the state of iowa. Register reported recently that 80 of the kids in school are nonwhite and 18 my grudges are spoken in the school district. 18 languages are spoken in the school district. Congressman king it, you fought to make english the language of iowa. Do you think that the diversity here is something to be embraced or something to be resisted . And how will you support that in congress . Look back that if you on my record, we succeeded in establishing english as the official language of the state of iowa. And i am a lead sponsor of english legislation in congress. When the moment comes for us to build a past that, i hope to move better, because a common language is the most powerful Unifying Force known to humanity throughout all of history. It is a common language, a language of success and achievement. It is congratulated a young man was an the restroom american citizen who arrived here from somalia. I have been a great cheerleader gal immigration, and isolate citizens who respect our laws. It is interesting to hear him speak that way because we are used to hearing him use hateful and divisive language when talking about immigration. He is not leading, he does not have plans to fix the broken system. Every time i hear him use the hateful and divisive language to talk about immigration, i think of a friend of mine that i who wasith in iraq not american citizen and received his citizenship in iraq. He claims to be a leader in congress, but i think if he would turn around how do you define hateful language . I think that most people heard congressman kings language in the press. That does not move the conversation forward. We have a broken immigration system in this country, and i support the competence of Immigration Law that passed the senate. He would put additional boots on the border. It is supported by the farm bureau and the chamber of commerce. It would cut 1 trillion from the deficit. Congress when king does not have plans, he has empty rhetoric. Congressman king it does not have plans, he has empty rhetoric. It is not a system that is broken, it is the administration that refuses to enforce existing law. But i have brought a number of pieces of legislation forward to improve the system that we have. You have to have the will to enforce the law before you will have an effective immigration system. I am for building a fence and a wall in a fence along the border. Just until they stop going around the end. I am the author of the most important piece of legislation that we could pass, i generated the idea and wrote the bill did it is called the new idea act, ch illuminates the federal eliminates the federal deduction for benefits paid to illegals. That helps us to secure the borders. These are ideas that all republican candidates have endorsed in the last president ial election. Even governor perry of texas has said that building a wall is not the right approach, and the people to advocate for her to understand the challenges that we face that advocate for it do not understand the challenges we face. That is a 20th century solution to a 21stcentury problem. Before we go on, there are challenges that come from the diversity that we havent communities like storm lake. Have in communities like storm lake. You are endorsing a freer flow of immigrants into the United States. How would you help committees like storm lake to address the issues like challenges in schools and social services . We are a country of immigrants, that is why we need conference of reform to fix the broken system. Helping people integrate is a big piece of that. The difference is, i have read the bill. The bill comes money down to the border, but it does not secure it. But it lowers the Legal Standard to 90. It is perpetual and instantaneous and retroactive amnesty, and destroys the rule of law. We cannot have a country if we do not have a border. No one is promoting amnesty. Obviously he is mischaracterizing the bill or has not read it. Advocated for a bush as an official language has never looked up the definition of amnesty. Amnesty is to reward lawbreakers with the objective of their crime. I have read the bills and the gentleman has not. How do you define amnesty . This is the immigration bill that passed the senate with a bipartisan majority. It provides for a decade was corrective process that includes paying a fine and meeting a host of requirements. That is not amnesty. Amnesty would be free and clear. Congressman king, last word. If youre going to lower or eliminate the penalties, that is amnesty. You do not change the rules after the game. Congressman king, you worked on the farm bill. You get a bigger republican majority in the house at a republican majority in the and that a republican majority in the senate, when you write the next farm bill, should iowa farmers plan for no federal support . Not at all. I have been a strong advocate for a stable farm bill, and that means remember, 80 goes to the foodstamp side and nutrition side, were talking about a 20 going to agriculture. That means a Risk Management program. Insurance. L crop that is the stability that we have to have, and we need to have input so that iowa farmers are playing premiums paying premiums that reflect the risk along with the folks in texas and florida that are getting a better return on premium dollars. That is where i would look for adjustments. But we have to have a farm bill because simply this. We cannot afford to have all farmers go broke in the same year. But what you say to republicans in your own party who say that they do not want to pay farmers . You deal with the circumstances then. We are five years down the road. I would say to farmers that are listening tonight that we asked for their advice three and four years ago. It was hard to get their advice then. Hard times will give you more advice. Input ofpe it with the oliver agriculture groups. All of our agriculture groups. Why should a small businessman who was a farmer get subsidy from the government while a small businessman on main street does not . Because agriculture is a priority, we cannot do anything without it. It is a foundational issue. Agriculture is the foundation to our economy and the world economy, and we cannot do anything without it. I do hear his characterization of his work on the farm bill, it sounds like a single handily got it passed. In fact, the Senate Passed a wentity bipartisan bill, to the house, and was delayed because king was restricting the passage. When i finally did pass the house, republican senator refused to vote for it. Driving to storm lake late last night after dark, i did couldor miles out i look for miles out in this largely agricultural area of iowa. The lights of the harvesters were out there during the night, harvesting. And it came to me that this was iowas greenery, if not a large section of the midwest greenery. The emphasis is on grain farming. Recently, i was speaking with some bankers and farm lenders who were bemoaning the fact that the price of corn, right now, orn that was being harvested when i drove is about half of what it was. They were predicting and anticipating that there is a great economic fall ahead for iowas farmers and midwestern farmers. In saying that, this time, it will not be the bankers, it will be farmers by themselves who are overleveraged right now. And the agricultural communities are going to be even further decimated. That is the countryside of the fourth Congressional District. If that occurs, and it could be within the next 12 or 18 months, what are you prepared to do if you are reelected to congress . Andgate into assist to assist iowas Rural Communities from taking that hit . That was a great question. I respond,ay, before that my opponent statement was opponents statement was baseless. At first this, i live to the farm prices of the 80s. I know what it is like to pay 22 interest, and i know what it dc locks the the f bank up. I had two pennies to rub together and customer accounts were frozen as well as mine. I remember seeing 27 billion get dumped into the farm program in about 1985, and i river seeing 14 new pickups parked at the restaurant after that remember seeing a 14 new pickups parked at the restaurant after that. We are in a better shape than we were in the 80s, a lot of the land is leveraged. The 2 billion of value that i mentioned earlier, that will bridge us through. There is a draw or disaster, we sit down and figure out how to deal with it. Ought or disaster, we sit down and figure out how to deal with it. There are reasons to be optimistic. That you areying optimistic, and we have any federal government a safety net