Standby just a second, hopper. Ok. It. Will scratch things up and hopper, you may have checked that release ring. Can you verify . For the snap back . Yes. I did not get a good snap that. Copy that, so just stabilizing the qd with one hand holding it so the qd does not demate. Use the blunt end of the bill drive lever, try not to make any contact with the mail qd and see if we can counteract. Spacecraft communicator, mikewheelock instructing hopkins how to use this particular tool to ensure that we have a tight mate of this third in a series of four fluid lines to. The new spare pump module it is staying clear of the button, just to a pull test. I have a pull test. Copy and a visual. I heard you said the visual cap test looked good as well. It does. Is only thing i will say there is a little bit of play where i can push it forward and it comes back. Be 16 of an inch or 1 32 of an inch. There is some play for and after. Four and aft. 1 32 of an inch. There is some play for and after. Four and aft. Standing by. We are getting words that this may be typical. Rick, do you remember when we disconnected that line, was there some play in it . I cannot say i remember, sorry. Ok, copy that. Standby. Copy. Ok, guys, we will take a glove checked from both of you when you are able. Houston, from ed1, the half second as normal on the glove and the index finger, the thread near the end of the digit, there is more of that showing. Dont see any damage underneath. Ok, copy, hopper print thats acceptable. No change. Copy, rick. This is missioni heard you p test looked good as well. It does. Control houston, five hours and 12 minutes into the spacewalk. Three out of four fluid lines are now connected to the new spare pump module. You will be working with the m3 line now. The m3 line is a is the final fluid line that is hooked up to the pump module jumper box. The jumper box is utilized in an interim state to maintain among you flowing through the plumbing of the space station on the starboard truss in an acceptable fashion during the period between the disconnection of the saturday and the installation of the new pump today. There was difficulty with the third in the series of fluid lines, the m4 line. It refused to budge from that jumper a short time ago. When we finally were able to get it disconnected, a small number of ammonia flakes were detected by the crew. Playing it safe and per the flight rules, we will have to conduct a decontamination procedure for the crew before they are able to reenter the International Space station. That is forward work a short time from now. The task at hand now is to disconnect the fourth and final fluid line from the jumper box and hook it up to the new pump module. Can you squeeze the handles and i will pull back on the jumper box . That qdte we have to and i will review the steps when you are ready. Ready. Ready. Lease the side loads prior to demate. Pull back on the release ring and demate the qd. Demated. Demated. Looks pretty clean. On the jumper box copy that. Got it. In the female and, i do see some likes, some snow. The female plug. And the casing. There is a gap there and i can see one snowflake there. If you can see that, houston. Do you have a visual . Ok, yes we do, hopper. And hopper, as you are looking at the female end, can you verified the release ring is retracted and the forward white than does not visible . Im sorry. The release band is retracted. Copy, thank you. Standby for mate of the m3 to the pump module we are going to have to look starboard again. Ok, guys, we have a go to mate m3 to the pump module so get in position as needed for that maneuver. Copy. Ok, do you need me to pull this . Yes, we need to pull it back. Of this fourth line seemed to be no problem. A touch of residual ammonia flaking noted at the end of the connector but the thermal systems officer and the Flight Control team in Mission Control argot to mate this fourth line to the new pump. It is ready to mate and the detemp button should be up. Assess and counteract side loads prior to mate and mate the qd. Copy that. Hold on. Hold on. [no audio] [inaudible] five hours, 17 minutes into the spacewalk, and an hour and a half since the beginning of the of theg and mating fluid lines and onto the new spare pump. Copy forward white band visible. Hopper, on them3, perform snap back test. It release. D. Copy and forward white band visible again . No. It released. The qd just demated. Copy that, we will start from the beginning. Ok. We will just step through again when you guys are ready. Ready. Ok, weve done the inspection again. Verified the female qd is ready to mate and the d10 button should be up. Its stock right now. It does not want to move. It should be depressive all, took thats correct. Its not. Hopper, make sure the bale is full. I push it back and it is now depressing. Button ish,e detemp up and check that the forward white band is not visible. Not visible. Assess and counteract sideload prior to mate and when you guys are ready, made to the qd. Are you ready . Ready. Ok, lets do it. Took thats correct. The clamp is released and out of the way. On the snapback, if we can counteract the we have a good snapback. Hopper. That, stay clear of the button and the release ring. Perform papal test on the qd. Perform pull test on the qd. Completed pull test. Looks good and the visual gap test, did you read that already . I have not. We will take that when you are able. Its not. Houston, i would like to pull this off and tried one more time, if we could. Standby, hopper. Ok. The white band does not seem to be as big its supposed to be. Have a little bit of play in them. The white band what about that gap . Back. L this mli those are the threads. Those gap that gap is the same as f2. I think its good. Ok, hopper, we think you are connected. Back,we had a good snap what you are doing with your left hand, if you want to pull forward on that release ring to see if it moves further forward, up by the release ring at the forward end of the connector. Release ring. The release ring, not the bering just to see if it snaps out anymore. Ok, so here. Band sohe forward white we feel it is not in fit. Thats the bail. I concur. Ok, copy that. I think the gap looks the same as the other ones. Ok, copy that, guys. I heard that that we are getting ready to open m3. Jumper the pump module are here for now. Copy that, rick, thanks. Coming your way. Copy. In selling one final positioning device to find some structural stiffening for the fourth and final fluid line. We have a go to open the m3 valve. It is called the forward spacer after the release ring. Assess and counteract side loads. Copy. Detent buttono and move it forward to the spacer. Against the fourth spacer. Install the aft spid spacer. Thermal systems officer here reports no leakage through any of the four fluid lines now hooked up to the spare pump module. Nice work, guys. And guys, the next step is to finger start the pclamp on the m4 line. Ok, am i clear to release my wrist off the spid . Affirmative. Im ready. About 20 centimeters starboard. Starboard, 20 centimeters. Here comes the 20 centimeter motion to the starboard. Good motion. Good motion. Its about 20 . Stopping motion. Stopping. Destination 10 centimeters. Now in motion. Motion. This is Mission Control, houston all for fluid lines enable ammonia to flowthrough cooling loop a on the starboard side of the International Space station and they are now connected. One of the fluid lines , the so line proved to be a bit stubborn as it was being disconnected by hopkins and modulechio from a pump jumper box that provided an interim home for two of the four fluid lines during the period between the removal of the faulty pump on saturday and the installation of the new pump earlier today. Dirt ime that the that the third in a series of fluid lines was disconnected from the jumper box, some flakes of ammonia were detected emanating from the female module of that interface. The crew was diligent and pressed ahead with a recommendation of the Flight Control and we are able and were able to get that line disconnected and connected backup to the spare pump itself. The thermal systems officer in Mission Control is monitoring pressure in the system and everything looks good so far. We will be pressing ahead for the connection of a series of five electoral connectors that will set the stage for a so called bump test that will be monitored by the thermal systems officer under the call sign of spartan here in Mission Control. That bump test will be a brief but important test of the internal mechanisms in the new pump including all of the valves to make sure that we have a pump that is alive and well or it stow that as needed and retrieved this. The final line. Gather items. Copy, the next step is opening the valve at m4 but standby on that. I need to come port about 20 centimeters. Ok, copy porch, 20 centimeters . Thats affirmative. Ok, here comes the motion. Its in motion. Good motion. Stop motion. Complete. Breaks are on. Breaks are on. Ok, guys, when you are ready, we will open the m4 valve. We are ready. Ok, guys, prior to and movement, moved to the unlock position. Unlocked. Copy. To press the d10 button and push the blae forward so the white then begins to show. Copy. Ok, just beginning to show. Ok, we are going to slide the spid in now. Knob up. Ull the lock slide the slider aft and install the spid. Installed. Slide the spid slider forward to engage on the handle. Copy. Slide the slider aft and install the spid. Its over the handle. Ale towardush the b the closed position for this letter and put the lock knob onto the spid. Will this go all the way up against the release ring . Is that correct . Checking the slider . Yeah. Let me see. Move your left hand. It should go all the way. We are checking. The bale needs to go further forward. I agree. Houston, think about it. We are discussing, standby. [inaudible] i got one. Ok, hopper, we are expecting maybe a little bit of it yet between the forward part of that spacer, the spid and the release ring so if you can confirm it is fully seated in the aft portion and the bale is locked inside the spid, we are in good shape. Standby. And those forward tanks should be engaged as well. Tangs should be engaged as well. Ok, so, on the spid, the af t portion of the spid is back. Probablyrd portion is 1 4 inch space. Config, s a good hopper. Ok. Down around the handle. Copy. We will do a pull test on the spid and i think youve already done that. The spid is in place. Ready for a pull test. Ok, it looks like we have a good valve opening there, guys. Shorthand over, we will meet you on the other side. Copy. [no audio] we went around the wires. Ok guys, we have about 1. 5 to four minute drop out so we wanted to an ammonia inspection in your sues. Try to get an oblique angle. We want you to raise your sun visor, inspect each others suits and take a look at any loss of tmg thread pattern, any or glossy or hardpacked snow appearance on the front of the suits. And any unusual contours, copy . We copy. I am putting something in the bag. I will be right there. Copy that. Since you guys were in a mini blizzard, we will look all over the suit. They were pretty small. Most of them but there were a few up to1 4 of an inch. Copy that, we have about 30 seconds and we will have a four minute drop out and meet you on the other side with the results of your inspection. Things, guys. You bet. Coming your way, mike. An oblique angle. This is Mission Control houston, five hours 39 minutes into todays spacewalk or all four fluid lines have been to be up and confirmed perfectly made it mated between the ammonia system on the trust and the new pump module that was installed earlier today by spacewalkers mike hopkins and rick mastracchi o. During the time the third of the four fluid connection lines d was beingemated from a pump module jumper box to maintain duringte of the ammonia the time they were pretty smal. Between the disconnection and removal of the faulty pump module on saturday, and the new pump earlier today, the third in this series of lies, the socalled m4 line was very stubborn. It was finally disconnected but some some dissipation, flakes of ammonia that the crew believes came in contact with their suits. They are in the process of inspecting one another and beginning decontamination procedures that are part of the normal flight rules that any handling of these ammonia lines in the vacuum of space. Meanwhile, the thermal systems officer, the spartan as he is called in Mission Control, has informed the flight director that with the valves open, 35 pounds of ammonia have flowed from the Ammonia Tank Assembly in an adjacent slot on the starboard truss of the International Space station to the newly installed pump. That is the first step in the ultimate activation of the new pump but there has been a change of plans. To enable the Flight Control team, particularly the thermal ontems, to gather data hydraulic conductivity between the Ammonia Tank Assembly and the pump itself, we will not be doing that bump test that i explained earlier. The brief check out of the valves internal to the new pump itself they will wait until this evening after the system is bypletely pressurized nitrogen that will come from a nitrogen Tank Assembly on the starboard side of the International Space station. That will pressurize the new pump to its full pressure. Willthat, the pump bespun up and the pump will come to light. That will not happen until this evening. Will belly, the cva concluded with the hooking up of electrical connectors as an extent by the crew outside. After which will begin the cleanup steps and the crew will then move inside the quest airlock and repressurized the airlock to complete the spacewalk. All of the examination of the functionality of the new pump will continue throughout the course of the day today and later tonight. The pump will beast bone up the pump will be spun up and checked out by the flight team in Mission Control. We will provide updates through on otherater tonight activities associated with the pump and the final result on the Health Status of the pump itself. Again, the initial bump test to give us a snapshot of the help of the pump of the health of the pump would be determined by the thermal Missions Team here so they can conduct other steps with the pressurization of the new pump itself and the actual activation of the pump that will come later this evening. We dont expect any problems of any of that activity. Its just that we will not get immediate results until later this evening. [no audio] [no audio] [no audio] [no audio] are you with us . Ok, im with you. Go ahead and do a gc8. Im ready. Lets go starboard. 50 centimeters. Starboard, 20 centimeters. Motion. Es the copy. Good motion. Stop motion. Stopping motion. Standby. Complete for now. Breaks are on. Copy that. We are back with you, it looks like you got the wire tie in . We did. Sounds good. Ande twists on the bale around all three lanyards and three twists as well. Thats affirmative. Im looking at m3. Qd. The backside of the where the line goes in. Like is a gap that looks the inner part where it slides into the backside of the qd. Copy, standby. Our telemetry in the system looks real good and tight right now. I dont see any leaking. Confirm that. I dont see any leaking. Partmply looks like the that slides into the hard outer shell of the qd, there is a gap. Its only on one side. Copy that. Cclamp here . Re a phink what i am seeing is a clamp. Ok, copy that, hopper. Since it looks different than the other lines, it looks like the mli is pulled back a little bit, is that correct . It is just a little bit. Now that i look at it from the other side, it is just the band of the pclamp that was released. Ok, we will take the results of the ammonia inspection if you have it. Ev, im looking ev1 to 2, i can see no indications of ammonia on the suit. Same as my, ev2, instructions for him. We will take these as very reliable based on the white suit and the white snowflakes and the angle we are looking at. Copy all that. Hopper, thank you. [no audio] ok, guys, we will start working on the electrical connectors now. Any order so if you want to work the zenith and nadir, work that out between you. Ok, that sounds good. I will go to zenith, rick. Ok. I will try them. I will try and free float. Can i get gca . 20 centimeters zenith . Ok, hopper am a five centimeters. 20 centimeters. Copy, 20 centimeters. In motion. I see good motion. Copy. Thats about 20. And that motion. This is Mission Control, houston, five hours, 50 minutes into todays spacewalk. The two crewmembers are now pressing ahead to mate a handful of electoral connections of electrical connection to the newly installed pump modules. The valves are open and some 35 pounds of ammonia have flowed into the new pump. That will set the stage for of the pumpheckouts module systems throughout the day by the thermal systems officer here in Mission Control but we will not actually get to the pressurization of the pump andugh a nitrogen system actual activation of the pump until this evening. That activity should be complete by about midevening central time. Further updates following the completion of todays spacewalk will be provided through the web , updates on our main page,www. N asa. Gov that will appear on the station website. Basically went by the book all the way through club their procedures today, running into only one snag and that was the disconnection of the third in the series of four fluid as it is m4 line called, from a pump module jumper box from which it had been temporarily attached to maintain the flow of ammonia through the cooling system of the space station in a liquid state from the time that the old pump was disconnected on saturday until the time the new spare was installed earlier today. Exposed to some dissipation of flakes of ammonia from the female side of the Quick Disconnect connection line from thatm4 line so they inspected one another in a loss of signal period and reported no apparent ammonia on each others suits but because of the exposure, the flight rules call for them to maintain a bake out to enable any residual ammonia to dissipate from their suits before they reenter the International Space station later today. All of the early indications suggest that the newly installed pump is in good shape. Issues withve no its pressurization and its activation later today which tol involve the spin up begin exercising all of the valves and the internal mechanisms of the pump. Houston, you got yourself a good pump module. All five electrical connections are now mated and that crew breeze through that activity. All five electoral connections have been made to the new pump. No change, gloves. They are holding up very nicely. No changes. No changes. Copy from both of you, thank you. Ok, it looks like we are getting ready to clean up the worksite. Hopper, you have a go to gca to the egress as edition when you are able. Rick will be cleaning up stuff at the worksite. Whats theuick plan . I have them folded up and tethered together. Should i leave them in a package like that . Is that the big plan . Checking ready togca . Im ready, hopper. Ok, move the station forward by about 20 centimeters. Moving forward, 20 centimeters. Ship is in motion. Good motion. Ok, continue. At looking this afternoon nasas live feed from 260 miles above the earth at the International Space station, the astronauts are preparing to close out this spacewalk come of the second in a series of walks to fixate faulty pump module. The broken component has been installed and for luminary testing will commence through the s through the afternoon. The astronauts will return to the space station after some more work and further testing of the new ammonia unit and that will happen when the spacewalkers are safely inside the space station which would wrap up this second spacewalk to fix a part that forced astronauts to shut down all nonessential equipment and put a hold on a number of their research projects. Coverage ofe our the spacewalk at this point and move on with our programming. The United Nations secretary yesterday sent a letter out urging the Un Security Council to double the size of the u. N. 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He has been reporting for usa today. You wrote earlier this year about of eight. About the senate gang of eight. Is it fair to say it took the lead legislative this year . Absolutely. Right after the election that the senate came together and decided they wanted to tackle the issue. Mitt romney got a 27 of the hispanic vote, you saw a lot of republican senators get together and forming this coalition and a couple people drive in it came out. It ended up being eight senators that took the lead. It seems to have a lot of energy early on. What happened throughout the year . They ran through it. In this climate we are seeing in congress, very difficult to get anything through, they had a regular Committee Hearings and vote and pass the immigration bill on the senate floor. Something will not see too much of. That is when things stalled. They seem to have a lot of going in their favor. You mentioned the president and his desire to see immigration change. You wrote an article about Congressional Budget Office that the senate bill could cut ilLegal Immigration in half. Did it help their case or move it forward . Did that have resonance over there . Incredibly. The last time it failed in 2006 or 2007 was from the Heritage Foundation that found Immigration Reform would cost the u. S. Quite a bit of money in the services we provide to them and health care and education. This year, that was flipped on its head. Heritage came out with a similar study. And they came out with a similar study. A report said it would be incredible financial boom to the company, the taxes they would pay and contributing to Social Security and medicare. Once the republicans saw it, they could say it is an economic argument for us. Going back to your comments on the politics. Mitt romney got 27 of the hispanic vote. A number of senators must be up for election in 2014. Who are some of those senators . One key we saw senator hatch. He was one of those really trying to get it. He came over because they were able to do some things for high tech pieces in utah thats very important out there. He is one utah and hispanic population is increasing. You get one of those senators, arizona, nevada and places where the hispanic populations are growing. Folks like hatch and others are coming from the region it has become very important. We will show some the floor debate and key hearings held throughout the year including the judiciary committee. Some testimony on the path of citizenship. [video clip] first, i know you are reported in the 11 million a here. I know you are deporting all the 11 million here. Assuming most people do assume, they are not happy about ilLegal Immigration, isnt it better to have those who are here illegally able to work legally because they will be able paid a higher wage and wage rates for every body else will go up . In my neighborhood, as i ride my bicycle early in the morning and i see on street corners people were waiting day laborers who are waiting to be picked up. The construction workers picking them up are not saying i will pay you two dollars above minimum wage. They say heres 20 for the day. These folks because they are living in the shadows and in need of money, they take it. My question for you is very simple, if, also, we cannot deport in the 11 Million People is it not better to have a system in our bill where people can work legally work as opposed to work here illegally which pulls down wage rates even more . 2 things. I did not testify at all that i support deporting 11 Million People. I do not think we know how many are here. I am not in favor of deporting. Im an immigrants son. I am in full favor. I support immigration. I am here to take today even if you regularize and legalized across the board, everybody who works, subject to the same standards and everything else, the construction workers who are talking about are still going to exist. We are still going to have a sizable cohort of individuals that will take advantage of people regardless. Is it harder if they are legalized than illegal . Yes, senator. I see it on a regular basis. I live in this world and do this kind of work. I think we are living in a fantasy land if we think by a stroke of the pen because when something on paper, people are not want to take advantage. People always take advantage. You admit it will get a better but marginally, some of us think more. Great questions. Let me save important aspects go to the heart of the program. We really are creating in many ways in some ways, three brandnew programs. You have the year around contract part of the guest worker and judy at will guest worker atwill guestworker. We know it will be difficult and bumps and bruises on the implementation. This ensures that for Agricultural Production which is so important in terms of timeliness seasonality that there is going to be a maximum amount of time here before the everify system is kicking in and fully operational. So we can make sure that in these three new apparatuses are working and the caps are being set and an adequate amount to provide the workers we need. It gives time, remember senator franken, these are Small Businesses out there on our farms and ranches. More than anything else, want to measure the small producers know the program and what it takes to get the legal workforce here before we get to enforcing this thing on every single farm and ranch. And that is only fair. Especially for the small operations. We need to make sure that e verify system has an accuracy higher accuracy rate than it has now. As we introduce millions of immigrants into the system, the error rate stands to get higher when you do that. When you run a dairy operation or other Small Businesses for that matter, you do not have a huge Hr Department like you might at other businesses. I think this is very important that we understand how this all fits together and we deal with our eyes wide open. To me, it is absolutely essential that we do it at one time because everything is so interrelated. I am very pleased with what this is going to do again for our dairy industry half of all dairy cows in america are milked by by rather immigrant labor. I have called for this to be fixed for years and i am glad that senator feinstein has made efforts to do that. Keep in mind mr. Connor, in keep in mind mr. Connor, in addition to dairy by the way, the chairman said something about you said cows cant say they dont want to be milked they do not know what you are saying. Maybe not minnesota. [laughter] well, ok. I know the chairman is a dead head. No comment on where he got sorry, senator. Has the senator finished his questions . I wanted to aside from dairy, what are the two most important aspects of this agreement . Again, senator, we have a problem in american agriculture today reflected in the fact that so much of our workforce is currently undocumented. For anything else that we have recognized the problem exists today. The status quo is intolerable. Across all of the agricultural sectors, the notion you are going to give us the ability to actually have a legalized workforce and that we know is legal and can verify that. Farmers and ranchers are the most lawabiding people on this planet. They want to have access to the workers. They wanted them to be legal. Fundamentally, this bill gives us that ability to be legal. That is huge. The status quo again what are the alternatives . I challenge those who suggest it. The Current System is broken. We have to change it. Thank you. Thank you, mr. Chairman. I thank the chairman and witnesses and saying all of you and senator feinstein for working so hard to get an agreement here. Those of us working in the broader agreement were kept aware of the progress being made and the hurdles to overcome. It is not an easy task. Congratulations for working together on this and getting it done. When we launched the broader bill last week, i grew up on a farm and working alongside migrant labor. I know the motivations that they have and how difficult it is. And i know that were here to make a better life for themselves and their families and for the life of me, ive never been able to place all of those who come here across the border undocumented and some criminal class exists has never run true to me that way. I want a solution here. Farm work is tough work. I made it off the farm with almost all of my digits. I love the i lost the end of one. It is a tough job. You cannot tell a cow we are not going to milk you today. It does not work. I appreciate what you have done here. Mr. Connor, i appreciate working with you at the usda on issues and appreciate the work you have done. Let me say in your experience, i know you have been working on a solution for ag four years. Why is that so difficult and important to have this as part of the broader bill . Why is it the easiest part . Agriculture it is not a realization that has come about in the last few months. We knew we had a problem for a very, very long time. We worked with senator feinstein on solving just agricultural problems for a very, very long time as well. I would say that history suggests that did not work. The agricultural problem in enough itself probably was not going to produce successful legislation. Being a part of this comprehensive of effort on our negotiations have been very limited to the agricultural piece. We appreciate the fact that it is part of the broader package. There seems to be some momentum to get something done in this year. We have been talking and proposing solutions and in some cases, producing legislation for a very, very long time. This is been a problem for a long time. We believe 2013 reflects what i have described as the best chance in a generation to stop talking about it and finally fix it. Can you just go on with that . If we fail to Reach Agreement here, there is no agreement just the subset of agriculture. What would the consequence be . How much of our industry do we stand to lose if we cannot reach an agreement here . The consequences are substantial. I put my opening statement. The status quo means large percentage of the American Workforce doing nothing means a large percentage of the workforce is going to continue to be undocumented workers. People not here legally. It is untenable to the american producer out there. Somehow we cannot get him or her a legal workforce. Secondly, we do have labor shortages in this country. It is resulting in crops going unharvested and Agricultural Production and i cited the california study of tens of thousands of acres moving to another country. That pattern will continue if we do not fix the problem. Some would argue that if we do not have a foreign labor force, that simply means more jobs for americans. How does the lack of a program like this affects u. S. Jobs or American Worker jobs . Several have raised this point. I know time is running out. This has been studied and looked at exhaustively. Senator feinstein has been involved in efforts to demonstrate are we replacing u. S. Jobs here . We are just not paying enough or something is wrong and therefore, we are turning to foreign workers. It has been proven time and time again, study after study, that is not the case. They will not to do this work. Without this workforce, again, Food Production and crops will be left unharvested in the u. S. Why are we tying the pathway to citizenship to a Guest Worker Program . I am not going to get 11 million Illegal Immigrants a path way until i get something i want. I want a new immigration system. I would not trust them to give it to me. Our democratic friends are not going to trust us to hold everything up until we are satisfied with Border Security. You live on the border. I know you are as sincere a positive as possible. We have to talk about the elephant in the room. Every time we have this debate, theres always a reason the border is not quite secure enough. We spend billions of dollars and we got 21,000 Border Agents on the border and were spending 4. 5 billion more. We will have 18 drones and were going to have the comprehensive strategy at substantially deployed and operational. We are going to have terms that are flexible because at the end of the day, people on their side believe we are going to use 90 or 95 to find one problem after the border and we never quite get there. Your desire to secure this border is my desire. The southern fencing strategy is completed. That makes sense. As senator has expressed numerous times, fences are not the best security available to the country in some parts. In my view, the mandatory e verify system is the ultimate Border Security because they come here to get jobs. As to the exit system, that airports have not had the same as landbased systems. We created a new system. That is a gap in the system. At that airports and seaports look at boston, that is the gap. We are improving every day and want to do more. I am not against biometric. I am against having systems that can never be achieved. In my lifetime. Im against moving i am for moving forward and make our border more secure. The reason we have 11 million Illegal Immigrants, none of them coming from canada, its because the people come here from the south and overstayed their visas conference distressed parts of the world. If you can control who gets a job, you are going to control ilLegal Immigration. You cannot build a fence high enough if you are still having availability of jobs in america to Illegal Immigrants. We are going to do two things will never done before. We are but it has a Board Security using more money and technology and finally, address the cause of this problem controlling who gets a job. If you are an employer and you hire somebody illegally, you are going to jail or lose your business. That is long overdue. On schumer number five. One have a vote. We will have a vote. If i could respond briefly to my friend. Drug cartels and human traffickers do not use e verify. They do not use entry exit system. Here is even more fundamental problems. The Border Security trigger calls for a plan. It does not call for results. I am david vitter and i am really pleased to join the Tea Party Patriots here today and all of their guests you are going to hear from. Once you hear from them, you will see that we all support america as a nation of immigrants and fixing, truly fixing, our broken immigration system. This is where we are in regards to this bill. This gang of eight bill was supposed to come to the senate and essentially sailed through with over 60 votes. Once it was actually introduced and debated, that support started to erode and concerns started to arise. I do not think it has the 60 votes right now as we speak without an amendment. Now, we are going to plan b. It is to bring up this amendment, very, very quickly, a lot of hoopla about Border Security and try to pass it and then with that amendment over 60 votes. Again, it is important that we look at the details. Lets read it before we vote on it. Once in the American People do, they will understand and the same thing if they came to understand about the bill it does not truly fix the problem. First of all, an immediate amnesty and the legalization happen first and only after that are their promises of enforcement. Secondly, because all they guarantee is spending money. There is no measurement of success of results of actually securing the border. They have rejected our having any verifiable measurement of securing the border. Those are the two big problems with underlying the bill and that remain the two big problems with this amendment. I will be pushing so we can read and understand the amendment. The American People need to be able to read and understand and the amendment. Then, lets have a full debate and vote. Anyone in the chamber wishing to change their vote . Before the chair announced a vote, approval or disapproval are not permitted in the senate. The yays are 68 and the nays are 32. The bill as amended is passed. We will call the roll. Mr. Alexander . [chanting] yes, we can yes, we can we are back with alan gomez talking about immigration. Our year in review. You talked about this immigration conservatives trying to sway. How far did they get . Not very far. It is progress for them. What you saw was a different tactic that they were pushing this year. In previous fights, it was a traditional hispanic advocacy groups. Pushing for reform and that was counterbalanced by people on the traditional right and other groups. What youve seen this time around is a collection of bibles, badges and businesses. That the putting the pressure on republicans. It is graded more space for republican to give them cover. The chamber down here is ok with it, lets go forward. That has been a big change. House leadership still said that if they wanted to get something going moving forward. In terms of that, they want to get something going, what has stopped them forgetting something on the floor . Who knows . The Senate Passed their bill in june. The house has look at it and what did they refer as a piecemeal instead of a big, comprehensive a bill that is everything into account, they pass smaller bills. Three of them have to do with Immigration Enforcement and 2 revamping the Legal Immigration system to bring in more workers. Have considered those and they are ready to go to the floor. They have not introduced the bill that deals with the 11 million undocumented immigrants. It has been stuck there. On that point, it seems to be a key point of real opponents. The undocumented immigrants. What is going to happen to them . What is the argument of people of steve king of iowa . At a time when unemployment is very high, why are we vowing to bring in all of these workers from outside . Why are we letting these folks who started their lives in this country by breaking the law and give them amnesty . The counterbalance is saying it is not amnesty, itll be a very long process. At least in the senate bill, a 13 year pass have to pay taxes and have to learn english and jump through all these hoops. Before they get is the opportunity to apply for a green card. The argument is saying why are we breaking in of these guys are letting these folks stay here when there are so many america unemployed . You mentioned senators who have concerts in 2014. Every member of the house has reelection concerns. Are there key members in the house trying to work and those in favor . We are starting to see change. It was a bill introduced that has garnered 190 cosponsors. Not very surprising that all democrats would be on board. It has picked up three republicans. A couple of others have followed on. What did they are seeing, they come from heavily hispanic districts, some of them have their own personal stories about immigration. The problem comes down to the huge chunk of the house does not have a big Hispanic Group in their district are designed to deal with the issue very much. House republicans districts are 75 white. That is increased since 2010 redistricting. For a lot of them, it is not have a lot of hispanics. Will take a look at some the house action from the past year. Starting the steve king of iowa. It grants amnesty to everyone who is here. Its is an invitation to everybody who is been deported in the past and said marie apply, reapply. As a promise that everybody who comes or after the deadline, theyve also get amnesty. That is the package. Everybody here and deported and everybody here are going to get it on less they are convicted of a felony. By the way, nobody is coming out of the shuttle who does not want to. The people they think will be sorted out, fellas will not be felons will not come out. They will live in the shadows. Here is how bad it is. You know how badly i despise obamacare. I spend years of my life fighting against obamacare. I spent many years. I despise that bill because it is unconstitutional taking of our by these, our health and everything inside it. It is terrible and it diminishes the destiny of america. If i have to choose if it came down to this, if there was an offer that you will do one or the other and you have to choose one. I would take obamacare try to live with that before i ever ate said that his amnesty plan. The amnesty plan is far, far worse. That genie cannot be put back in the bottle. We cannot repeal obamacare or pay for it. It is amnesty goes through, there is no one doing it. The genie of the left wouldve escaped. Ultimately, the American People have little trust that administration would not enforce the law in the past will do so in the future. That is why real immigration and nissan mechanisms to ensure the president cannot simply turn off the switch on Immigration Enforcement. The bill contains such a mechanism. Not only does it strengthen Immigration Enforcement by giving the federal government the tools it needs, it ensures where the federal government fails to act, states can pick up the slack pursuant to the act, they are provided with specific authorization to assist in the enforcement of federal Immigration Law. States and localities can in act and enforce their own laws as long as theyre consistent with federal law. It shows how to avoid mistakes of the past with regard to Immigration Law enforcement especially the 1986 Immigration Law. The bill expands the type of serious criminal activities for which we can remove aliens including criminal gang membership, drunk driving, manslaughter, and failure to measure as a sex offender. They cannot take advantage of our generous Immigration Laws. In addition, the bill strengthens federal law to make it more difficult for Foreign Terrorists and other nationals who polls National Security concerns to enter and remain in the United States. It bars aliens who threaten National Security from receiving them aggression benefits such as naturalization and relief from removal. Such provisions are relevant following the boston bombing were naturalized aliens killed and injured americans. Under the bill, no immigration benefits can be provided until all required background security checks are completed. Another item that the Senate Bill Fails to include. It offers to waive background checks. It improves our first line of defense. The visa issuance. The save act lives up to his name and provide muchneeded assistance to help the u. S. Immigration to carry out agent jobs while keeping them safe. It allows local officials working in their communities to pitch in, the bill also strengthens National Security and protect our communities and from those who wish to cause us harm. The save act provides a robust enforcement strategy that will maintain the integrity of our immigration system for the long term. I look forward to hearing from all of our witnesses and i think the chairman. Thank the chairman. The gentlelady from california. Thank you. Over the past six months, this committee has engaged in informative and civil discussions. They have shown members of this committee recognized our immigration system is broken and must be fixed for americas businesses and families. Most have recognized that deporting 11 million undocumented immigrants is not a realistic and it would tear parents away from children and separate spouses and leave gaping holes in businesses and communities. That is why todays hearing on hr 2278 it so disappointed. Portions should be familiar because they draw heavily on bills we consider in the 112th congress. It will allow people to be detained indefinitely and deported they saw nothing at the discretionary decision of the secretary of Homeland Security without due process. I am confident some this language would never survive constitutional scrutiny. It troubles me more because how similar it is to a bill we consider in the 109th congress. In this bill contains many provisions from that bill including provisions that essentially turn all undocumented immigrants in the country whether they cross the border or overstay their visa into criminals. And every day they stay in the u. S. , they continue to commit a crime. Under this bill, every day and undocumented father or mother stays in this country to feed or care for a child, he or she would be committing a crime. Their family members may be committing criminal acts for living with them or driving them to the doctor. This bill goes further than hr 4438 by unleashing states and allowing people to enforce. Every cop would have the ability to detain a person based on mere suspicion that the person may be unlawfully here. And be put in jail for being here. It is impossible without thinking about the lessons we have learned about what happens with local Police Officers are turned to federal immigration agents. We know and trust immigration to local police damages Community Policing practices and leave Community Less safe. It breeds distrust in the community from u. S. Citizens, legal residents, and undocumented persons alike. We have heard this from major organizations. And the major cities chief association stop city police chief testified last year that placing local Law Enforcement officers in the position of immigration agent excuse me, it undermines the cooperation essential to successfully policing. Recently, we heard from a survey of latinos. 44 said they are less likely to contact the police if they are the victim of a crime out of fear officers will inquire about their immigration status or people they know. Seven out of 10 respondents who are undocumented said the same thing. When victims of crimes and people witness are afraid to contact the police, crimes go unsolved. When they go unsolved im a communities lose faith. Rather than making our community safer, something the bill purports to do. It results in unconstitutional racial profiling and prolonged detentions. E poster child for this bad behavior is maricopa sheriff. Just last month, a federal judge ruled he engaged in a pattern of unconstitutional racial profiling and the lawful detention while participating in the agreement with the federal government and the enforcement of arizona Immigration Laws. Last year, the Justice Department concluded that North Carolina engaged in routine discrimination against latinos which included illegal stop and detentions and arrests without probable cause. The Justice Department entered a settable agreement following an investigation into widespread Racial Discrimination and abuse against latino residents. It involved the arrest of Police Officers on charges of Excessive Force and conspiracy. Immigration law is complex. Even agents sometime make mistakes leading to the detention and removal of u. S. Citizens. Imagine what would happen would we turn over this power to people who cannot possibly understand the complexities of Immigration Law such as the rules surrounding acquisition of u. S. Citizenship, derivative, extension, adjudication, withholding and removal, and it goes on. It turns a blind eye to these problems. That is a gross understatement. Ms. Velasquez. All of the witness that have made reference to 11 million. I hear it everywhere i go. We know it is not. You made reference several times to the 11 million. Would you agree with me that those members of the 11 million who cannot pass a background check should be on the path of anything except a deportation . Maybe those people do not want a path, there should be a pathway for the majority. That is very different from what you said earlier. My point is, all 11 million i cannot have any background checks stop all the 11 million of any category of people from futures too Nervous Congress preachers to the congress cannot pass a background check. We know that is disingenuous. All 11 million do not want to be citizens. All cannot pass a background check. Even if you cant see that, we get to the details of what the check is going to look like. If you were sitting where he is sitting, if you have a condition for domestic conviction for Domestic Violence, should you be on a pathway to citizenship or deportation . I can only argue for my parents no, no. You advocated for 11 million aspiring americans. Ms. Rivera is not a back patter, the talking point of aspiring americans. I am not interested in that. I am down in the details. What does a background check to look like . Do you think a conviction for Domestic Violence shouldnt dismiss somebody for a pathway . I am going back to that is up to you all to decide. If it is up to us, why do i hear 11 million if it is one monolithic group . Why . Why not said what you said . There are subgroups that warrant Different Levels of scrutiny. Children who were brought here with no criminal intent warrants one level of scrutiny. The parents who brought them here warrant another level of scrutiny. Those who have misdemeanor convictions have one level of scrutiny and those allow multiple convictions have another level. Those last felony convictions. Why is that not most honest response . Honestly, i am in no position to tell you who deserves what. How would you decide that one it is not hard for me. I spent 16 years prosecuting people for Domestic Violence. That is a disqualifier. Even though most states consider that a misdemeanor. The devil is in the details. The bright line, people do not have any problem with that. I am out of time. I will say this. All 4 of you who were good, persuasive a witnesses even if i do not agree with everything that is said, you are here in good faith and you contributed to the debate. When i see things like i saw today from somebody named dan pfeiffer who works for the president , i think the same who said the law is irrelevant. He tweeted out today that our plan is to allow some kids to stay and to deport their parents. He summarized his entire debate with that tweet. I want to complement you and thank you for not being a demagogic, selfserving political hack who cannot be elected to an Advisory Committee much less than congress. We will also bring you our conversation with jeff of california. He indicated support for a path to citizenship. He was our guest on washington journal. If we get Immigration Reform across the finish line and it is there, it would give folks in washington to go ahead and do what needs to be done we will grow our economy and make our country more strong. We will strengthen our families. Most importantly [shouts] we will live up to our character. [shouting] please use your executive order to stop we need obama obama you have the power i do not. [shouting] stop deportations you guys do not need to go. Let me finish. You can stay there. [applause] hold on a second. I respect the passion of these young people. They feel deeply about the concerns for their families. What you need to know, when i am speaking as president of the United States, i come to this community is that if in fact i can solve all these problems without passing laws in congress, i would do so. But were also a nation of laws, that is part of our tradition. The easy way out is to try to yell and pretend like i can do something by violating our laws. What i am proposing is to use our democratic process to achieve the same goal you want to achieve, but not an easy as shouting. It requires us getting it done. [applause] immigration is one the challenging topics not only the Biggest Issue is that there is no fiscal cliff. No debt ceiling deadline. There is no date. We have to get the country focus. The house focused on this and we are doing that with this new bill that i coauthored and offered amendments. Does congress a need that pressure to get something done . When will we see a vote . I am confident will see a by the end of the year. They made a commitment will have a full debate on the issues and a floor vote this year. Our challenge is we had so many issues, recently with syria and the shut down. We are running out of time. We are trying to make sure that not only does house leadership know how many members are really motivated on this issue but a geisha the entire public. Engage in the entire public. We have something out there, several bills, one in particular. There is one thing to talk about how Many Democrats will support something where how many republicans will support a pathway. Until you actually have a bill, that makes it a challenge. We are getting them now. They are bipartisan. You signed on to a larger democratically led bill. Explain your decisionmaking. This is something ive worked on for many years. When the senate bill came out, i always said that was one major issue and that was Border Security peace. Both republicans and democrats have come out after the fact and said that was a flawed issue. The republicans in the house had a good Border Security package. Bipartisan, but has been added to the bill. We address Border Security and Guest Worker Program and a path to earned citizenship. Talk about Border Security. A rundown of these issues. It increases spending by 40 billion over the next decade to bolster Border Security. A bill was passed. Is that enough for you over like to see further action . I think there will be room for amendments as we move forward. There are a number of members that we continue to talk to. If you have an issue with this bill, tell us what it is an last amended and make sure we have a good working product. An example is my asked to allow dreamers to be able to surf in our military just as we always have. With that openness and bipartisan support, being able to change a bill, not only rare but refreshing in this circumstance. Alan gomez. Some the house action from earlier. As we wrap up, looking ahead, senate has passed its bill. What are things going in 2014 . They need to figure out what the house wants to do with undocumented population. We have seen representative issa has floated the idea of not allowing citizenship for them but in between where they have legal status of but can never reach the point of citizenship. Representative cantor is working on a bill to deal with the young undocumented population. Those brought as children. Those are the big things they need to figure out. They need to figure how they can deal with the population. Everything else when it comes to Border Security and the system, there are two different chambers. Thats what we will see the work through. You mentioned 75 of districts are white majority. You point out eric cantor and darrell issa. Their districts have larger hispanics. Alan gomez, thank you for joining us. People can read your articles at usatoday. Com. In wrapping up this year of review, we will look at a recent conversation on the history of American Immigration and why the u. S. Continues to see unlawful immigration. What we call comprehensive Immigration Reform comes out of the experience. It is a formula that says we will try to stop and solve the problem of ilLegal Immigration by legalizing those who are here and putting in place mechanisms to prevent any future unlawful immigration. As we know, that did not quite work out. Theres a lot of discussion as why that is. It was too idealistic and too lenient. In fact, the reason we continue to have unlawful immigration is because the system put in place which has the same maximum for every country, 20,000, that means belgium has the same quota as mexico. New zealand has the same quota as india. When people talk about being a long lines for visas, only four countries that max out on visas every year. Is the same for every year. Mexico, india, china, and the philippines. If they say you should go to the back of the line, for some countries the line is 2040 years. In 1990, congress raised the ceiling migration by 40 . That is a lot. That was in response to the economic expansion at the time. Because every country gets the same limit, 20,000 limit went up to 25,600. For a country like mexico or india, a small increase. You still have the same problems. I want to end by saying a few words about the most recent period of economic expansion and recent recession and how it has affected immigration. One is economic restructuring and that took place at the end of the 20th century was continued to draw migration said antiimmigrant sentiment. You had a decline in Manufacturing Industries and growth and Service Sectors so native whites and blacks suffered greater unemployment and was a new sector and Service Economy as well is agriculture and agricultural practices that drew a lowwage immigrant labor. It stalled in declining strength in organized labor. And getting away from unions which hired lowwage immigrants. Another feature of this economic restructuring was a reversal in the trend of distribution of wealth. From 19471974, we had a steady trajectory of declining gap between the wealthiest and poorest in the United States. Since 1974, we have seen the increase in wealth inequality. Whacks ban kimoon asked them to double the side of the peacekeeping force. The deadly violence continues. We will have live coverage starting at 3 00 eastern of the meeting. 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The commissioner for the office of information and privacy. Then the professor of law. Hour. Welcome, everybody. David bradley, our cohost. This is the most interesting of all panels because its the thing thats changing most in our lives, which is how the boom in new technology and the innovations that were facing impinge on our personal privacy and liberties. Going to start with jane, jane helped found the aspen Homeland Security group in a nice restaurant in washington. She took me out with janet napolitano. And we started with a group to look at the very issues in aspen. Tell me, jane, the whole new cyberexplosion, how is that affected the way you do Homeland Security . I think running concurrent to the expansion of the internet, which is instantaneous and organic and growing by 100 connections a minute is the global cyberawakening. All of us who are on the internet now are instantly connected to information we need, making the data liquidity now something that is not only important and powerful, but in all of our hands. And this cyberawake ng has three important implications. First, what we know a lot about the people on the internet, we know a ton about them. We know people almost entirely as consumers, not as citizens. Government interfaced with people as citizens, principally. Number two, the law which is supposed to anticipate the familiar and guide us is neither guide nor guardian in this environment. And, third, governments had not really been in the game in cyberspace largely because theyre not the most powerful actors. Now, what happens is when youre in Homeland Security and youre worried about a particular pattern of activity, you can find 1,000 times more information than you could have 50 years ago about a person. Tell me give me some examples of how that works and why we should or should not worry about it. How we think about how it works and the way we fight terrorism in the last 100 years. The bad guys are out there trying to come here. And the way we need to prevent those is to find the way they are and keep the way they are, fix them where they are, fix them abroad. We used intelligence, the military, and our International Partnerships in nato and other governments. And the comingling of that to identify where they are and prevent them from coming. But what if theyre here. What if there are already individuals inside the United States who affiliate with these ideas and mean others harm . How well will the intelligence community, our military, or our International Partnerships work . We need a different model and approach to being able to say to the American Public who have this expectation that your government is doing everything it can to keep you safe. Let me take a very specific example which is nowadays, cameras all over midtown manhattan, in boston, of course, cameras, perhaps quite luckily near the end of the marathon. You now have new ways of using biometric optical scans so that you can tell faces, other devices that you can tell other peoples faces, tell me how that works. Can you actually know anybody of interest is at any moment . And do you have to have new deals in the road. With technology, we can know where most people were at any moment where they are. Can you give me an example . An example i think and the commissioners here from boston about retracing steps based on the personal mobile devices that the individuals have and the calls they made and the people can thats been available for a relatively long period of time. So using the devices and using them to fight crime and see what happened and build a case is important for Law Enforcement and policing in our community. So people understand the consequences of this sort of ever present emission of knowledge and location, i think our rules, the sensibilities are changing, the rules are changing with them. It feels a bit big brotherish at any given moment, the government knows where i am. One of my colleagues said the more serious problem was little sister, not big brother. Its its companies knowing, for example, and tattling on you about your purchase history. Theres a famous story about literature coming into a persons home, a father getting very angry why we see this young 13yearold daughter getting pregnancy literature and pregnancy testing literature. It turns out her browsing habit s suggested she was pregnant and she was. Real quickly, before we go on, a different kind of question. There is now no secretary of Homeland Security for the United States. No one filled your job. No deputy secretary of Homeland Security. Washington seems totally dysfunctional. We cant even fill jobs in washington now. Is that a problem . Its a problem if the process is broken down and the processes in many ways in washington have broken down. Its not a problem because in the case of Homeland Security theyre experiencing their staff because theyre filling the positions on an acting basis, i come out of a military background. The leadership rotates all the time. Everyone is expected to be trained and step into a leadership position. So in the instant case, its not a problem. But a broader question, you know, i dont think anyone would accuse washington of being a well oiled machine at the moment. And how are innovations, the subject of this conference, acting our privacy. I will respond to that in a moment. But i have to respond to one thing. I think we need to worry about big brother. Its not just a matter of Companies Engaging in this kind of intrusive activity. Surveillance by the state has never been greater and has never lacked as much transparency as we have recently learned as a result of these revelations. Lets not for a moment suggest that surveillance by the state is not a serious matter. Its increasingly serious. What it threatens is our freedom and our liberty. The United States of america, the preamble of your constitution is we the people. Its all about living a life that is free and freedom from surveillance. We have to get the bad guys. I want that as much as you do. But we have to find way of doing surveillance and Law Enforcement and counterterrorism and privacy. Not to the exclusion of privacy. Its something we developed, privacy by design protecting features into proactively into the design of technologies, business practices, operational processes working with the government to do this. If you think its a pipe dream, let me tell you, i was invited to speak at the pentagon by the department of defense in march. Precisely because they were attracted by the idea of privacy by design. Privacy and surveillance. Privacy and counterterrorism measures. They invited me back in august, we had a session on how to do privacy and counterterrorism. So let me put it on the table that its not dont worry about the state. Worry about the state. Lets do something to ensure our privacy, which is the underpinning of freedom, ladies and gentlemen, lets not forget people think its the personal right, a fundamental human right, a personal thing. Its not this its the underpinning of freedom. An enormous societal value. When you talked about your papers for this, you talked about it not being a tradeoff, not either or. You have privacy and security by using new technologies you just touched on a moment ago. Explain how the new technologies work. So we talked about abandoning the data zero soem model. Its one or the other when you have unnecessary tradeoff. You abandon the tradeoffs. You explore. This is innovation. Privacy is essential to innovation. Privacy is a necessary but not sufficient condition but necessary condition for innovation. It breeds new ideas and creativity and how do you do this . We advanced something called biometric encryption. Its facial recognition, fingerprints, voice, whatever you want. But its encrypted so the only way it can be accessed is for properly authorized uses. If i walked to grand central, theyre picking me up biometrically, that goes to Law Enforcement data bases. Its encrypted. And if theres some reason they feel they might need to trace me, they would have to get a court order to do it. You need reasonable and probable grounds to access that kind of information by Law Enforcement. We do that by surveillance cameras. You can code and crypt the video stream. So not only is it not authorized, its inaccessible. Would that be totally fine for people in the department of Homeland Security. Its in play in Homeland Security. I mean, more people than there are on the planet moved through tsa systems in the last ten years. More than 7 billion people. Data use, Data Acquisition is never its own point. You do it for an acquisitional period. Theres never been a privacy breach in tsa. Im endorsing the notion that you can have privacy and security, these two things can travel together. You got a bit worked up. I made a comment in the green room i would ask a philosophical question why is privacy such an important if i was growing up, if i walked to the k b drugstore in new orleans and got a pack of marlboro, it would take 7 to 10 minutes before my parents would know that. I had no privacy in that regard. Sometimes people confuse or they say privacy, which is a word we all love which when they really mean is anonymity. You get to do things anonymously in the society. For 2,000 to 3,000 years, we have not had anonymity