Be able to match the states with National Priorities that will be funded by our Congress Persons and also the local communities have spent so much time and effort, like davenport and burlington, to be able to create jobs on their own. Who knows jobs the best but the authorities, the City Councils . They know where the jobs are. The communities are that need it. They noa know know what theye do to get those jobs to become a reality in their community. State government is going to be provide refreshing new dollars instead of one Agency Getting it. Be disbursed to four Economic Development authorities with their own board of directors, appointed by the governor, to sit for three years. They will create the thertunities and identify match between our state investment and the local priorities. Senator, thank you. Governor branstad, 45 seconds rebuttal. Well, first of all, obviously my opponent doesnt know whats going on in illinois, because have the secondhighest Employment Unemployment in the nation. Iowas has dropped by nearly in debtinois is mired and has the secondhighest unemployment in the nation. Im really proud that weve created over 150,000 jobs in the last three years and eight months. Weve gone from the highest unemployment in 25 years to of peopleecord number employed. That doesnt happen by accident. Weve got a great economic thatopment Authority Partners with the locals. The fertilizer plant happened county the people in lee partnered with the state and made that possible. We see those that great jobs in iowa. And well be talking more about the fertilizer plant in moment. Would you care to rebut for 30 seconds . Yes. Its important for us to understand these numbers. The governor talks about 150,000 new jobs that he has created. A fifth know, even grader knows you have to subtract what youve lost. 80,000 jobs were lost in this economy, giving a really 75,000 orin of about 80,000. Thats how we identify jobs. Knowe private sector, we that government doesnt create jobs. Businesses do. Governors dont create Small Businesses. Entrepreneurs do. Create a base of entrepreneurs in this state that will be able to meet the demands the needs of our communities. Thank you, senator. Keep on path,to well try to keep as close as we can ill give a reminder as to the length of time. Its harder to keep track of, i know, from back here. Our best. Do our second question now, still on the question of jobs. Yes, governor. To go a little bit more into detail about your promise 2010 about creating 200,000 jobs in five years. Increasing iowans personal income by 25 . Hatch has accused you of cooking the books on this. All right. Us where weto tell were at that point, where we are now, and how you think youve those promises, talking about adding and subtracting . To where weink back were four years ago. The Unemployment Rate here in southeast iowa was the highest in the entire state. And we had an Unemployment Rate 6 . Owa well over weve reduced that by over 30 40 here. Nearly i was just last week down at the fertilizer plant. 1900 construction jobs there. Theyre going to add another 400. Goingrmanent jobs are now to be 240. But theres also another right here in burlington that share foods is going to be investing 35 million and adding 80some jobs. Every day to bring more good jobs to the state of iowa. Im proud of the fact we work in localrship with the governments and with the local Economic Development people and Economic Development authority, debbie durham, has done a great job. I think it would be a big mistake to divide the state into four regions. Wouldnt have as much resources. Im really proud of what we have accomplished. But were not done. Were going to continue to focus on how we can prepare the the jobs of the future, because the Lieutenant Governor and i hear from butness we have good jobs cant find people with the right skills. Iowa andere skilled investments in s. T. E. M. , science, technology, engineering and mathematics, prepare them im reallyobs, and proud of the fact that today the ismployment tax rate in iowa going to go down again in january for the fourth year in a row. Morealso makes iowa excessive for business businesses and jobs. Senator, 45 seconds. Thank you. That the topdown approach that governor branstad following where des moines picks winners and loses is the wrong approach to from an were recovering recession. Our proposal is from the community up. Thatroposal is to ensure local communities, state coalitions, City Councils, boards of supervisors, have a chance to identify and empower their communities to get engaged and to value their own dollars and to be able to have a to leverage local dollars with state dollars. Tohink its wrong to be able say its only going to be des moines thats going to make those decisions. Thats the wrong direction. Were going to have a direction of going from the community up. Now lets move to the big have, but the both of you alluded to, regarding tax incentives. Incentives are used more and more for job creation and generating revenue by many states. Tax incentives, tax breaks, the fertilizer plant being built 1. 6 billion area, plant being built here. 100 million in tax breaks used to land this deal and to build the plant was too much. The first question here regarding tax questions for the governor, dale allison, whose has done a considerable job of reporting on this very subject. Governor. Regarding the negotiations to land the plant, Property Owners the immediate vicinity arent quite dont share your it. Usiasm with negotiations were done out of the purview of the general public. And, you know, not only was the property negotiated but a of taxes andeu other considerations, including water rights. Was announced, iowa fertilizer upped its demand from 480 millions 3. 3 billionally to gallons. How is this good Public Policy everyday working iowans and you address the charge that this deal was crammed down wever . Idents of , first of all, it was initiated by the people, the supervisors and they provided incentives. But the thing you need to net result ishe the Fort Madison School district and lee county are going to get of 2. 9 million additional tax revenue every year. Iowa is also of going to gain revenue. If it had not located here, we get those additional tax revenues and we wouldnt have the 1900 construction jobs, the 400 more that are going to be added, nor would we have the wouldent jobs, nor farmers benefit from the 740 reduction in nitrogen fertilizer costs. Significant, because that is the biggest cost of raising corn today, is nitrogen fertilizer. Most of it is being imported. And the big cost is all the transportation costs to bring it in from overseas here to this in theoducing area midwest. So this was a good deal. In fact, the Site Selection magazine, read by Economic Developers around the world, said this was the secondbest Development Deal in the entire world last year. It. E very proud of and the ceo of the Company Recently said that theyre just up. Ing warmed when they complete this, theyre looking at expanding it. Were tennly there fertilizer plants being looked at. Only three of them being built, and two of them in iowa, and were really proud theyre being built here, where the corn is produced. Senator hatch, 45 seconds. Thank you. Let me be clear. Im in favor of fertilizer will help engage and expand our agricultural base. Favor ofery much in the jobs it has created. What ive been critical of is deal that the governor negotiated. It was a reckless deal. It is a bad deal. A terrible deal, where he 110 millionngage 165tate money to create jobs. 700,000 al to job. 000 per governor, in the seamen manufacturing plant, gave money to them to build wind blades. For 240 jobs, that equaled 7,000 per job. Governor, in the seamen job. Acturing 7,000 per job, 700,000 per job. Theres an imbalance. Thats what were up against. A bad deal. That is what is causing the problem. Imagine whatust this area could do, if we were able to balance those two us tosses and allow spread the investment from the state to more businesses and to areas than just lee county. Governor, 30 seconds. Well, you cant be against and for the jobs. Without the incentives, we wouldnt have gotten the jobs. Debbie durham is a very skilled negotiator. For 15 years, she did a great job up in sioux city. Thats why i asked her to be the Economic Development authority. She worked with the local people here. And actually, it looks like this going to continue to grow beyond what was initially planned. The net revenue gained we didnt write out a check. Credit against a taxes in future years. Frankly, the state is going to fort madisonw the School District in lee county gained substantially. This was a great deal. On this samentinue subject with the next two questions. So for the next question, lets who has aelle, question for senator hatch. Senator hatch, if youre elected, whats your plan to any business that does receive a state tax incentive is held accountable job creation, contributing to the overall economy, and also also explain how you have used tax incentives in your own private investments . Absolutely. The one important thing that you maketo do as a governor, sure that theres transparency, accountability and responsibility. Ans is another good area, example, in which governor branstad did not use any of those three guidance or principles in negotiating a deal. The citizens of iowa want to know whats going on. Youve got to be open, transparent, and thats how you can ensure that negotiations with a company will be honored in the deal. They are already changing the deal. Gonna change the deal more. And its going to hurt our our local folks, our water and the entire ability of to share other tax credits. Now, the governor has been criminal of my business critical of my business. Des Moines Register spent over six weeks investigating his claims of a conflict of interest and that im spending so much state money and not giving anything back in return. Kind ofeally disturbing. Roberts,nd i, sonia opened up our entire business. No privately held company would this to happen. Claims by thee governor prompted us to do this. What did they find . That we followed the rules. Was no conflict of interest. Kcrg also had a fact check. What did they find . Claims thaternors our misuse of tax credits was false, that we did things right, an appropriate company and were a good company. And its strange that a republican governor would be blaming a good businessman for having a good and honest business. Wrong. Just and it shouldnt be happening. Governor, 45 seconds. People of trust the iowa and i have disclosed 4 of myof my 24 years taxes and if he wants to disprove our claim that he has gained substantially and made millions of dollars at the expense, i would challenge senator hatch to to years of hismore taxes. Im willing to do another four, i the previous four before came back as governor, if hes willing to do that. I believe that we need to be open and transparent and im telling you we have been. The people in lee county know that. And we have worked with them. And were very proud of the fact partnered with lee county to bring this great project here and bring these iowa. Obs to southeast senator, would you like 30 seconds here . I think whats important is us to understand, in my business with my wife, that we in areasax credits that no other developer would go in. Housing. Affordable des moinesst 21, the register wrote an editorial that said our use of tax credits was appropriate. The governors use of negotiating with one of the profitable most Egyptian Companies in that nation was questionable. So were providing a public good, by providing housing for lowincome iowans. Hes providing additional dollars to one of the most profitable corporations in the world. To a socialve on media question. Our first of the night. This is for the governor. Johnny writes, since the governor brags about the deal in bringing the fertilizer plant to which was a good thing im quoting here increasing the workforce and putting a lot work with this deal, how many of those jobs actually went to iowans . Of those i have met say wever, iowa, its out of town contractors bringing their them. Rce with first of all, its brought a lot of jobs to the area. Iowans. E been filled by and there have been some that have come in from other areas as well. For the been also great economy, here in burlington and fort madison, wever, the entire area. Im really proud of the fact that we have that. Passed this year for more opportunity for people to learn while they earn. Apprenticeships. And were working, because theres a need for more people in the Construction Industry the Construction Industry during the previous administration, during the recession. That. Now rebuilding and we have a great opportunity. We tripled the funding, the funding for apprenticeships. That way people dont have to go into debt. They can earn while they learn in construction and manufacturing. Say we work with building and construction trades and we worked with the contractors. And we got that legislation this year. And its now in the process of being implemented in helping people for those jobs in the Construction Industry, the fertilizer plant, and others being created all over the state of iowa. Jobs up inheres fort dodge, up in woodbury county, all over the state, so this isnt the only project. But this is the biggest and one of the best. Thats a followup to question, were there not enough skilled iowans to do these jobs . Enough. Here werent thats the reason why we need apprenticeships, to train more skilled jobs. Se you can talk to the building and construction tradespeople. Theyll tell you they need more people with skills. And were working hand in hand people so wetrain have more iowans with those building and construction trades jobs. Good careers. And we want to have more of them in iowa. Seconds. R hatch, 45 thank you. Were talking about the possibility over the next four years of an Economic Opportunity explosion in jobs. If werent do it going to put all of our eggs in the basket of large corporations projects. Then you will have an inability the workers to do the job in the construction. Focus on isoing to on Small Business. On Small Business, i want to to southeast iowas vision, when tom brought in anheuserbusch, when he widened highway 34 and he created and developed the avenue of the saints. Thats whats going to create the opportunities in southeast and all over the state, by our ability to focus on Job Opportunities for Small Businesses in this state. Lets move now on to the of minimum wage. Danielle has a question for senator hatch. Senator hatch, in your you talk about growing Small Businesses and also increasing the minimum wage. The Small Business owners weve heard from say theyre worried about how an minimum wagehe would affect their business. How can you be in favor of both . Well, you know, good question. [laughter] allyoure assuming that Small Businesses pay below the minimum wage, which is wrong. 216,000w, there are iowans that get less than the we are proposing. Thats not high wages. Allows an individual working 40 hours a week, works works hard, works every day, to get just above the poverty. No iowan should be able to work and not get the wages necessary to lift their lives the level of poverty. Thats my value. Believe in sot i much, that we had no problem acommending that wage of minimum wage. And it would lift 216,000 possibly 20 of them, off of general assistance. Not thesinesses are type of businesses that pay cheap. Businesses, like my wife and i, pay very well. Theyre all over the state. We cant be afraid of that kind of wage. Ofknow that from other types proposals, and when we raise the minimum wage before, and which signed, there was no outcry from the Small Businesses that they were losing losing opportunities. Just the opposite. People got that money. They spent it in their communities. They were able to get off of general welfare. They were no longer part of that antipoverty program. Governor, 45 seconds. Well, if the minimum wage was when theant, why, minimum wage bill was assigned to the committee that senator on, was it killed by the democrats who controlled that committee . They didnt even bring the bill out of committee. It shouldnt it couldnt have been that big a priority. I reserve judgment until i see where a bill ends up. Its gotta pass the house and the senate in the same form. In this case, the minimum wage did was not even approved by the democraticcontrolled senate, house. Ne the republican my focus is on trying to bring helpjobs to iowans and to people get the skills so they can have a living wage and be themselves and their families. We work at that every day. Workforcesing on development and Economic Development and coordinating them. Is thetor hatch, if that case with the blockage in the legislature, how do we fix this . Well, you know, harry truman in thepublicans believe minimum wage, as minimum as possible. [laughter] that bill come through, senator courtney, your senator here, was the chair of subcommittee. There were negotiations all year. And during the legislative session, whether or not the house would pick it up. The house said no. We went to the governors office. Governor,help us, dislodge the disagreements in your own caucuses . No, he wouldnt. Thats not leadership. They had no intention. So our majority leader said, you know what . This is a Political Year. Were not gonna put our members in the way of being criticized a Political Year and then have workers who are trying to lift themselves out of poverty become the political pingpong during an election process. We are very sensitive about that. Passed it without a problem. The fact is, it would have been stopped. And it was stopped by the governor. S and by the continue thatell with this from social media. 40plus hoursork a week in construction with three kids and a wife thats a cna. And we still live paycheck to paycheck. Is that right and is there any way that will change . Thats the reason why were bringing 40plus hours a week in construction with these jobs at the iowa fertilizer plant. It pays very well. And were working to try to more of those kind of jobs in the state of iowa, Companies Like g. E. , here in burlington, they provide good wages. Companies like cargill and c. J. , which we brought to the fort area. Ciences, iowa homegroan homegrown businesses have all been expanding. Were working every day to try to do that. Make sure people have the skills for those jobs. Thats why we started with the bill, the skilled iowa program, why the Lieutenant Governor has led the efforts for s. T. E. M. , science, technology, engineering and mathematics, and were working with every high state andthe Community Colleges to train the jobs of the require knowledge in science, technology, engineering and mathematics, and we want to make sure the workforce of the future in iowa has those skills. Im going to continue to work on that every day. Recently proposed a center for Human Capital which would coordinate what were doing in Economic Development with our Workforce Development so that we the workforce with the skills for those jobs that can incomes and better provide for their families and to the economic wellbeing f our state of our state. Senator hatch, in the 45 ournds we have remaining in first half hour, your reaction to that. Well, its interesting, the governor said he would like to hes done. Hat the state doesnt have enough than just onere orscons model. And the fact is we need to be what our friend said in his question as an opportunity to understand that middle class iowa family to paycheck. Ycheck theyre being taxed too much. And we may talk about this later. But we had proposed a middle class tax cut, where every family under 220,000 would get. Theyre being taxed too much. And because were working on productive ti, and children are the values of our proposal. Ups that if you have to live paycheck to paycheck, the state responsibility to invest in our communities and our small the biges, not undeserving corporations like we have. And we will continue regarding property taxes, accountability and leadership, much more still to come in our gubernatorial debate. We continue our conversation now with the focus on accountability and leadership. Weoughout the campaigns, have seen on television and on airwaves, radio and newspapers as well, senator hatch has have. And we will continue regarding property taxes, accountability and leadership, accused the Branstad Administration of being scandal ridden, settlements of state employees. Now is our chance to discuss this matter in particular. We begin with dale who has a question for senator hatch. Likenator, iowans clearly their governor. They keep reelecting him time widertime, by wider and margins. Yet instead of telling iowans lead the state, your advertisements and press statements focus on criticisms. That iowans dont get it . What im saying is that iowans need to listen to the problems that this governor has over the past four years. It is the most scandal ridden administration in the history of state and its beginning Offices Development that he closed, that the Iowa Supreme Court said was unconstitutional. Then the Iowa Juvenile Home he closed and the District Court said governor, thats unconstitutional. Then it was the settlements and changes of merit employees. To of them were moved over political over to political positions including Administrative Law judge. Meaning that they no longer had qualifications but could be fired for any reason. Right under the direction of the governors office. And then you had the secret settlements to fire employees have been there before and then hush money to keep them quiet. Then the black list of do not hires that now theres a class action suit against the governor on peoples names that should not have been on there. Firing of top aides. And the d. C. I. Agent that reported the governors vehicle for speeding doing a hard 90 on route 20. He was fired for reporting that. And then of course was the commissioner godfreys position. Where he was asked the governor asked him to resign. He wouldnt. And then commissioner godfrey who just left for an impressive position in washington sued the governor for defamation of character. That is not leadership. Thats not something iowa wants. Thats not something that iowa values have. It should very well be looked at. And there are now investigations of the senate and the courts to look at how governor branstad has been managing the state. Governor branstad. 45 seconds. Well, iowans know me. They know that i go to he have county every year. I have a press conference every week. They know im honest. Im straightforward. Im transparent. Ive released all my taxes. They know these attacks are false. They are not correct. And the people of iowa know that. And i trust the people of iowa. I have nothing to hide. Im very proud. Fact when we found out about confidentiality agreements, i signed an executive order to prevent them in the future. Senator hatch and his friends in the senate killed that bill, which would have made it available to the public to know whats in those personnel records and why people have either been dismissed or not hired. I want honest, open, clean government. Im committed and the house passed that by an overwhelming bipartisan margin. The senator and his friends killed it. 30 seconds, senator. Sure. The fact is iowans dont know whats going on. And if you look at his ads that are attacking me, you would think that im the one thats under investigation in the statehouse. But thats not the case. Governors ads are false. Dont take my word for it. Des Moines Register and their series of articles understood that i had done nothing wrong and they said that i followed the rules. And kcrg did a fact check and again, they said nothing was right in his advertisements. That his advertisements were all false. Ladies and gentlemen, and governor, i would like to ask that you take the key from one of your political heroes. Ronald reagan. And he said, and i keep it to you, you stop lying about me, and ill stop telling the truth about you. [applause] an opportunity to also answer that if you choose. Governor, social media question. Twitter. Why postpone deposition if charges are true . Why didnt you want that information out there . Well, first of all, this lawsuit was filed about three years ago. Its been delayed by the plaintiffs on many times. Were in the midst of a campaign. I have a very busy schedule. And thats we have agreed upon the date for the deposition. Like i said, weve got nothing to hide. First of all, i treat everybody with respect and dignity. I dont make these outlandish attacks. Everything thats in our ad has been documented. It is true that he killed a bill that would have reduced the fees for the kind of tax credits and also true that hes made millions of dollars off of tax credits. He may complain about the tax credits that have created good jobs here in southeast iowa. But he has no complaints about that. Nor will he release the tax returns to show the people of iowa how much money he made and what kind of tax breaks he got. Senator hatch, lets talk about this because this is a lot of information for the voters to go through. One side having one big issue and another bringing up other issues. Lets talk about whether the politics in play regarding the some of the lawsuits against the governor right now and some of the accusations you face. Sure. The fact is im only repeating not accusations, but lawsuits, investigations. Even the state auditor said that the governor had mishandled the investigation of the secret settlements, that there were more secret settlements even after the governor and his staff said there werent. If youre going to be a leader, you need to be a governor whos going to be open and transparent. And its just unacceptable that the governor stands in front of us that hes open and transparent and has nothing to hide when thats all theyve been doing. Is hiding and not just an attack of a candidate. But the accusations come from legitimate sources of the legislature. The state auditors office. From the courts. And from individuals who have taken the time to sue him personally and his office. These are not the actions of a governor who can lead. Governor, would you care for 30 seconds . This is iowa, not illinois. Most of the former governors in illinois are in prison. Im back in office because the people of iowa trust me. They know me. They know im honest. [applause] and i have been totally open and transparent. And i have a press conference every week. And i take the tough questions from the press. And anybody can file a lawsuit. But i can tell you we worked with the auditor. There was one agreement that was agreed upon before i signed the executive order and was signed later and when it was discovered that was the case, it was changed. They eliminated the confidentiality clause in that. That has been enforced. I will continue to enforce it. But we want to extend it to local governments and to the legislature and the house passed it with an overwhelming bipartisan vote. And my opponent and his friends in the senate killed it. Because they dont want the public to know the truth about whats in those confidential files on employee personnel. I think the people of iowa deserve to know that because its their tax money thats paying it. And as i give you 30 seconds on this, because i think this is such an important issue, i will remind our audience, please, do not applaud until the end of our debate so we can continue moving forward. Senator hatch. Gary and the audience, its really important for us to understand that these accusations could go back and forth. Its not something weve made up. The Republican Governors Association and the governor have spent millions of dollars attacking me on tv. On accusations that are untrue. And hes expanding his search to find something more. Im very proud of my company with my wife. We spent a lot of time being successful. And the fact is we did not kill a bill that would lower the amount that develop coerce receive and in actuality if you read the des Moines Register story, governor, you would see that what they said is that my developer fee was actually less than 10 . It was 9. 2 . And that bill had no support with anybody else. And it wasnt dead. It wasnt taken up. This is the kind of leadership you would expect from a governor of illinois. Not the governor of iowa. This is also a subject matter that can be intertwined with the following questions so lets move to property taxes now. For a question for governor bran stand from dale. Sure. Governor, last week, we published a story looking at property tax reform and how it looks to be working against smaller low growth communities. In fact, in the story, the state was accused of institutionalizing devaluation. Apartment complexes, for example, have been taxed at 100 of their value. Theyre on their way to being taxed like residential rates. Retail and Industrial Properties are also headed lower. Somebody must pay for the cost of government. If taxes are being lowered for the upper values, the burden must fall on someone. Do you know how this is going to shake out . Do you know how this will work out for slow growth communities like burlington which are kind of more the rule rather than the exception . And how can you assure ordinary iowans that they wont be asked to shoulder an even bigger burden . Well, thank you for asking that question. Because this has been a problem that has faced the state of iowa for 30 years. Multiple Residential Properties should have never been taxed as commercial. And that is being corrected. That was actually something that Senate Democrats wanted. I wanted to provide permanent tax relief for commercial Industrial Property. And the agreement we reached between the house and senate and the governor does all of that and by getting the states financial house in order, putting together a fiveyear projected budget, and the state providing the money to replace the commercialIndustrial Property tax is going to provide tax relief to businesses, small and large, across the state of iowa in communities of all sizes. It will especially help slow growth communities and Rural Communities because the property tax credit is significant. It also benefits for Economic Development commercial development in our state as well. And the state is providing the money to replace the local property taxes. And i insisted that we put that money in a standing appropriation so the legislature couldnt renege on that commitment. Senator hatch, 45 seconds. The commercialIndustrial Property tax bill that was passed as the governor said with his insistence did nothing for Residential Property tax receivers. And his priority was to reduce corporate taxes, not residential. If it wasnt for the Senate Democrats who he is so openly criticized now, that provision of allowing commercial property tax for Small Businesses and property depressed areas would never have seen the light of day. And so we came to a conclusion. I think theres going to be issues in the future about how the state will be able to fund all of those Property Tax Reliefs. But it didnt help the middle class. It did not help the Residential Property tax owners. And it certainly gave a boone to the largest out of state Corporate Leaders that are taking more taxes away and out of this state. Governor, would you care to respond . I would just point out that this was passed with bipartisan support in both houses of the iowa legislature. It was long overdue. Our commercial property taxes were the third highest behind minnesota and illinois. We dont want to be there. This is going to make a difference. And its going to be the most significant property tax cut in iowa history. And its going to be phased in over a period of time. And we have the resources to do it. And ive protected it because weve cut the size and cost of government. So we can afford to fund the education, leadership bill that we passed for teacher leadership and Property Tax Relief. Senator hatch, youll probably get a chance to respond to that if will you in this next question from danielle. Regarding property taxes. Senator hatch, your Campaign Website says your proposed income tax cut for middle income families would cost the state about an estimated 300 million a year. Over the next couple of years. At a time when you say we need to fund our schools and our infrastructure needs, vital and immediate investment, why would that be the best use of that money . The best use of that money for middle class iowans, youre right. Its the best use for that money. Iowans who are in the middle class working every day, 40 hours, 50 hours a week, need a break. Middle class iowans need that kind of help. We are the sixth highest state with dual income families. We are a low wage state. And we are a state that values children. So when our Property Tax Relief, we identified families that have dual incomes. And we gave them a 1,000 tax credit. Because we value the productivity of the state. And we also valued the children. And i think governor bran stand and almost every politician will say they are our greatest resource that is need protection. So right now we give them a 40 tax credit. Theyre valued a lot more than that. Under my proposal, we give them a 500 tax credit. When you put them together it provides us with a very strong middle class tax cut. That will help the people that need it the most. Not these corporations. But people need that. To answer your question on the budget, it is a priority. The budget is a priority. Someone once said you could tell me all you want about your values. But show me your budget. Then ill tell you what your values are. This would be a high priority of our administration. Do you believe that the legislature would pass such a plan and why . Well, i think the legislature will engage in this discussion. I cant guarantee anything. But i know that the Democratic Caucus in the house and senate believe very proudly and very clearly that middle class has got to get a break. That middle class iowans cant be left out in the cold. They were under the governors commercial Property Tax Relief. Thats the largest Property Tax Relief in history. But it wasnt for the residential taxpayers, it was for the corporate taxpayers. I want to give residential Middle America the everyday iowan the tax break they deserve. Equal to the tax break he gave. To the corporations of this state. Thank you, senator. Governor, your response. Well, first of all, eliminating federal deductibility will raise taxes for some low income people, too. Because if your income varies from year to year, you wont be able to able to deduct your federal taxes. The bill that we passed, the Property Tax Relief, isnt just for corporations. Its to all commercial and Industrial Property including all the main street businesses in burlington and fort madison and all over the state of iowa. And people have gotten those tax bills and they can see theres real significant tax relief for individual iowans that own commercial property. Ive heard from them. All over this state. And theyre saying thank you. Finally we got some real tax relief. And im proud that we did that. And thats going to continue next year. And we want it to continue in the future. If you instead going out and spend that money on another program, then we wont be able to do that. And the education money thats committed also for teacher leadership. 30 seconds, senator. Being a governor means that you set priorities and that you lead. The governor just said he wanted to provide the commercial and industrial Property Tax Relief for commercial businesses in this state. I want to provide Property Tax Relief and the middle class tax cut for the residents of this state. For the citizens of this state. For the everyday iowans of this state that need a tax cut. My priorities will always be with the middle class. Corporations, which we are one, were good at what we do. Well figure out a way. And well be able to continue to provide the jobs that are necessary, but i want middle class iowa to get the support they need. With just under 10 minutes remaining in our debate lets try to squeeze another category in if we can. Regarding gas tax, infrastructure, roads, bridges, the question is for the governor from dale. Times going by quickly. I like it when youre having fun. Youre a pay as you go guy. But the state needs money, too, to improve its infrastructure. Youre administrator of the department of transportation says theres not enough money to maintain the network that we have. Local coalitions have lobbied you for some time to widen u. S. 61. Between burlington and Muscatine County and thats more important with all the traffic coming from the fertilizer plant. Lawmakers told in us january that there was support for an increase in the gas tax. If you would have indicated your support, but without such an indication, nobody was prepared to propose a tax that might get vetoed. During the state fair debate, you said you were working on a transportation funding plan. But were not prepared to reveal it. Why not . Why the wait . Paul trobini has put together a series of options and ive been discussing that with legislators for the last several months of how we can go to a hybrid system that would replace the gas tax partially with an excise tax on fuel. Like you have with the sales tax and also increased fees for heavier loads that go across the state of iowa. I would also compliment paul trobini when we had that flood in 2011 on the missouri river, he was able to put together a strategy to rebuild all of those roads even though we only had 60 days to do it. We rebuilt all those roads and got the federal funds reimbursement to pay for all of that. He also weve had the two biggest road building years in history. The last two years. Because hes reduced administrative costs by 50 million. Im continuing to work with him. I intend to work with a Bipartisan Group of legislators as we did the last time we addressed this issue back in 1988. And we got a majority of both house and Senate Republicans and democrats to agree to do this. And i will lead but i want to make sure that we have a majority of both parties, both caucuses, supporting it. Senator, if you can, for time constraints, 30 seconds, please. You cant lead with legislators unless you have a proposal. Ive offered a proposal for over two years. 10 cent gas tax. Two cents a year for the next five years. Not only is highway 61 needing a four lanes, but highway 20 up in fort dodge to sioux city. There are areas there that need four lanes. Plus the bridges in this state. We have the second worst state in bridge repair in the country. We cannot have a repair of our county roads and our state roads if we dont have revenue. Jackson county said they are just now reducing the tonnage of 44 bridges in jackson county. From 10 tons to three. You can get a van with children on that three ton bridge. But you cant get emergency vehicles. You cant get ambulances. You cant get the fire trucks. You cant get the farm implements. The combines and the trucks that need to pass and to provide commerce for power farmers. This is a crisis. And for the governor not to recognize it, to have a cash force that he doesnt liston and waiting for the special interests to say you can do it now is not the leadership we want. We need a leader to take the lead. It is time for us now to get to our closing statements. The order is determined by the coin flip. Senator hatch, you are first. Thank you. Gary, i thank you very much. For kwqc to be a sponsor, the chamber of commerce and the hawkeye. I commend the two panelists and yourselves for providing this for this opportunity. And also i want to acknowledge my wife, sonya roberts, and my running mate, monica vernon, in the audience. And if i could give a quick shoutout to my daughter in anchorage, alaska, whos an nbc affiliate reporter and weekend anchor. So for danielle, shes im as proud of her as im sure your parents are of you. But being governor means that we have to lead our state into a new area of economic explosion. I want to return iowa to the tom vilsack iowa where we focused not only on Agriculture Insurance but we diversified this economy to finance Information Technology and advanced manufacturing. In iowa where we are not picking winners and losers but create regional authorities we can rely on local leaders to match the priorities of our local and our county leaders. To do this, we need to reorganize an Economic Development effort into four regions. Equal to the Congressional Districts. Establish regional boards of directors. And provide leadership, locally. And i will announce and tonight that my running mate, monica vernon, will take the lead being a city council person, she knows how to bring people together. Shes done that. And shes a leader in the community. Local Business Leaders know what they need. And well rely on their advice. We need a community of Economic Development proposal. Not a top down. We need local people picking what they want to invest in, not winners and losers from a board in des moines. Thank you very much. Governor branstad. First of all, i want to thank the greater burlington partnership, kwqc, burlington hawkeye, and all of you in the audience for being here and for sponsoring this. And great to have this debate at the first territorial capital of iowa in burlington. Im really proud to be here. My mother was born here. Im proud to have my wife and a lot of members of my family, my stepmother here. And i also want to say i love this state. I grew up on a farm. I learned to work hard at a very early age. And i worked every day, the Lieutenant Governor kim reynolds and i go all over this state. We go to every county every year. We work hard every day to bring more good jobs to iowa. To make iowa the best in the nation in terms of education, to reduce the tax and regulatory burden. Weve reduced the size of government by over 1,400 and were not done yet. Were focused on things like College Affordability and reducing student debt. Two years, no increase in resident state tuition. And were going to do more. To reduce that and make college more affordable, weve proposed a center for Human Capital enrichment. And connect every acre so that we have high Speed Internet everywhere in iowa. I would appreciate having your vote of confidence, your support, and the opportunity to work hard for you for the next four years. I love iowa. And im proud to have the opportunity to serve you. And i would appreciate your vote. Thank you very much. Gentlemen, thank you. [applause] the conversation continues at your next debate. But that is all the time we have for tonight. We would like to thatching our candidates, senator jack hatch and Governor Terry branstad. Lets give them a round of applause. [applause] watch us at kwqc. Com and on hawkeye. Com. Thank you for watching tonight. 114,000 iowans were out of work. Unemployment was the highest in 25 years. The state budget was 900 million in debt. Then Terry Branstad came back, and so did iowa. A budget surplus, 140,000 new jobs. Unemployment reduced nearly 30 , and governor branstad is just getting started. Iowa is back. Terry branstad is building i was future. He is honest, compassionate, a visionary. He is always looking forward. Where can we go next . To do better, bring jobs to the economy. And we see that. The jobs today, young people moving back. More iowans are working today than at any other time in our state history. I am really optimistic about the future. He definitely has a passion for this state. After 20 years, iowans are tired of Governor Terry branstad. The scandals, bad deals, and political favors. 110 million bad deal, taxpayer money given to an egyptian billionaire. Isu economists call it the dumbest economic decision made in iowa. Branstad even tried to abolish preschool funding. Arent you tired of terry . Time for a fresh start. Jack hatch for governor. There are two men running for iowa governor. Terry branstad forces tax breaks for corporations, and jack hatch supports tax cuts for middle class families. While he gave away millions to a wealthy egyptian comedy, jack hatch was putting iowans to work. Only one thing branstad and jack hatch have in common. For jack, that is one thing too many. Im ready for a fresh start. Debate coverage continues tonight at 6 30 p. M. Tonight with the pennsylvania governors race. Secondebate Congressional District debate. 2014, more than 100 debates for the control of congress. Ebola outbreak, i wish you would have some guests on to talk about the history of africa in general. Their resources depleted, the people used by crooked leaders, corrupt leaders. Corporations are only too glad to do business with. The most beautiful confident continent, where life began really. It has been abused. Hearing, thank you for that. That the realn reason we are still having these workngs is because of the the was done to cover up including susan rice. 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He said our Founding Fathers would be turning over in their graves and we needed to have a Tea Party Like they did. We were talking about his rant and we decided to have a Conference Call after his rant, which was on february 20 of 2009 for about 23 people. The following friday, we had 48 tea parties around the country with artie 5000 people in attendance. Where were you living . I was living in atlanta. There were two other people from atlanta on that Conference Call. We knew there would be at least one tea party in atlanta. What was your status . One of the things that Rick Santelli said, he asked the people who were standing behind him, if they wanted to pay for a home that their neighbors could no longer afford. That really is what motivated me to be involved. That part. My husband and i had just moved into a rental home in february of 2009. We had come out of personal bankruptcy and lost everything. We decided after the bankruptcy, we were offered fannie or freddie money, i dont remember which it was, to bring us current in our mortgage. We realized we had a house that we could no longer afford and it wasnt right for our neighbors to be paying for a house that we couldnt afford with their tax dollars. We wound up losing our house as well as everything else, moved into a rental home and were starting over. How did you go bankrupt . It was related to issues with personal guarantees. What was the business . Temporary staffing