Interviews with survivors. That is at 7 00 p. M. Eastern on cspan. Coming up next on cspan, the Bbc Parliament westminster review. Then the state department discusses the conflict between russia and the ukraine. At 11 00, another chance to see q a with glenn kessler. The British Parliament is in recess, so Prime Ministers questions without we seem to. Will not be seen tonight. Instead, a look back. Topics include efforts to combat isis, of the british economy, m scotlands decision to stay in the u. K. Lisa mccarthy hosts program which concludes with a look ahead to the general elections. Hello there, and welcome to westminster and review. The economic recovery may be underway, but always best to handle the future who is best to handle the future . A longterm economic plan, on the course for prosperity. We have balance the books in a fair way with a longterm plan to save the nhs. Also on this program, how to tackle the rise of islamic extremism at home and abroad. A series of inquiries rise to establish a child abusers got away with her crime. And after scotland says no to independence voters there and in the u. K. What is next for voters there and in the u. K. It is not fair for scotland to vote on things that are. Lets start with the economy. The trexler says that his latest facts and figures in a chancellor sets out his latest facts and figures in a budget. Normally the figures are secret, but this year there was an announcement. For the health service, the money is to support doctors and nurses. There was more money for roads too, with funds for a longawaited project. Basic that it is not new and will benefit coalition constituencies. What will be just let what will be chancellor have left to announce on his big day . There may be short trip to the commons to unveil his final statement before the general elections are very made the short trip to the comments to unveil his final statement before the general elections. Over the last year, we have grown 2. 5 times faster than germany, over three times faster than the your ozone over seven times faster than friends. Euro zone, and over seven times faster than friends. France. Rhythm is living within its means and the economic plan is on course. Brits and is living within its means and the economic plan is on course. There are those who say we should faster or slower but we have the basepace right. This was his finale. River is on course for surplus, on course for lower taxes, on course for hire growth course for a national recovery, a longterm economic plan, on a course to prosperity. Is featuring died away, the chancellor as featuring died away, the chancellor got to his speech. We had promised a balanced budget by the end of the parliament. Today they announced that the deficit next year is forecast to be 75. 9 billion pounds. Can be chancellor confirmed that number . And that the National Debt is forecast not to fall to rise . Wages have not kept pace with prices for 5253 months. Todays forecast of firms that wage growth is once again weaker than expected. Working people are 1600 pounds a year worse off than they were 2010. Somewhat in fulltime work is pound thousands of pounds worse off. When you recovery for the many not just a few. We will balance the books in a longterm way. It will take a labor government to deliver it. Then it was over to the back benches. Chatting with two former chancellors. Did i hear him right when he was claiming having the deficit . Because it used to be a terribly good thing to be doing. [laughter] he is proposing to evolve considerable powers to the various nations and cities of the United Kingdom. Jenny reassure us that he will combine can you reassure us that he will combine this with commitments to financial responsibility . Was the chancellor said is that the target for this year has not been. Been met. That the borrowing far from being 20 billion, will be almost four times that at 75 billion pounds. Why should the public believe is the government does the same thing, it will be any different than the failure . The economy is going to be crucial in the runup to the election in may, but what future will be companies be attempting to paint what futures will be parties be attempting to paint . David cameron is a bit of a dilemma on his hands and that on december the third, the office of audit responsibilities of that the economy was picking up faster than expected. They want to emphasize that it is not over yet and the job is not done. They are balancing between boasting the economy is recovering and saying why the need to continue to be in government next year to continue with the guts. Cuts. Were edward David Cameron had to say about the red light of the dashboard. What is he trying to do their . Americas growing and china is slowing down in japan is in a recession. It is political sleight of hand to point to what is happening elsewhere and say that this could happen to us but ultimately it will be trying to flag up the fact that people should not be too comforted by the recovery and that we could go and when recession. The parties are supporting themselves ahead of the election. What should we see their . It is five months before the election so cracks are appearing there. Their leader has said that basically after the deficit has been eliminated, they will not continue to shrink the state as the tories want to. These is trying tuesday got the middle ground between the conservatives and labor he is trying to state out the middle ground between the conservatives and labor. They are going to have to expect cuts. All parties through 2015 in 2016 but after that it does differ widely. The difference in physical positive between conservatives and labor is the largest that it has been since 1992. Labor are only considering cutting the daytoday deficit and not the federal deficit, and that will leave a 5 billion deficit by the end of next parliament. The do not want to be harsh on welfare as conservatives. We have come to the Parliament Central lobby, the crossroads between the common on the lords. And the lords. It has been quiet with the and these away for the recess. This september, old houses were recalled. The reason, the continuing rise of islamic extremism in syria and iraq. Islamic state extremists captured the iraqi city of mosul and strengthen their hold over other cities and towns and seized territory in syria. Estimates suggest they may have 35,000 jihadists fighting for them but there is an outrage of the brutality and the hostages being held and beheaded. David cameron explained why he wanted to u. K. To join airstrikes against the militants in iraq. Isis is a terrorist organization unlike those we have dealt with the four. The brutality four. The brutality is unlike what we have incredible. It is not just the brutality, it is backed by billions of dollars and has captured an arsenal of the most modern weapons. In the space of a few months, isil has taken control of territory greater than the size of britain and has made millions selling oil. Some will say that any action will further radicalize young people. I have to say that this is a counsel of despair. The threat of radicalization is already here. Young people have left the country to fight for these extremists. We must take action at home but we must also have a comprehensive strategy to defeat these extremists abroad. Students questions euros notebook to himself. Two questions he has not to himself. How long will lead war last the war last and when will Mission Creep set in . This will not take months but years but i believe we have to be prepared for that commitment. The Prime Minister places trust in the iraqi army. The problem is that we are the army and they ran away and now isil as their arms. Is he seriously contending that by airstrikes alone we can rollback isil or is this just politics . I am not claiming that by airstrikes alone we can rollback this problem. What is problem requires is a comprehensive strategy including a well formed Iraqi Government and armed forces because they, in the end will be the ones that have to defeat this on the ground. Will he recognize that killing extremist is not kill their ideas but can spread their ideas and that getting them around the negotiating table will be more effective than m bombing. Why dont we not hearing more about Diplomatic Solutions . Although we may have common cause with russia and with assad and iran over isis they have different views as to what they would see emerge on the ground as a lasting solution in syria. We need to be aware of the dangers that would propose. I do think there is an appetite in the United Kingdom and getting involved in an ongoing operation lasting many years on the ground trying to instill a new order which i do not think there is an appetite in the United Kingdom in getting involved in an ongoing operation lasting many years on the ground trying to instill a new order. [applause] mr. Speaker, lets be clear about what this is. Isil is murdering muslims. Those who say that it is an attack on islam, let me say this. I understand the anxiety including communities in britain, but the truth is entirely different. His muslims themselves were saying it muslims themselves are saying it, leading scholars wrote this, and i quote isil is perpetuating the worst crimes. Nobody is in doubt that it is a Difficult Mission and it will take time but there is evidence that the u. S. Action is having the effect of holding back i saw. Prior isil. Prior to this action, isil was advancing. It is a choice to act or not to act. Most mps spoke in favor of action against isis, but not all. To extremism will spread further and deeper just like happened as a result of the last iraq war. The people outside can see it, but before his in the air draw big salaries and expenses cannot or will not. Saudi arabia has 700 warplanes. Give them to bomb. Turkey is a nato member. Get turkey to bomb. The last people who should be returning to a scene of the former primes britain, france, and the United States of america. Crime is risen, france, and the United States of america. It is not just an these that were recalled. The action proposed there is right but we must not rely on a shortterm solution to a global, ideological, transgenerational challenge. We must demonstrate that there is a positive vision, far greater and more compelling than the evil of isil and its global clones. What sort of a country would we have become if we refuse to play our part in this international endeavor to confront evil . Of course it is true that airstrikes alone will not definitively defeat or destroy isis. In due course, it may be necessary for action of a different kind to be taken. But the imperative now is to continue. Their advance continue to stop their advance. We see men and boys abducted and killed without mercy and women sold as sex slaves, subject to rape and sexual violation including mutilation. The attitude of this group towards women is brutal integrating. Brutal and grading. Degrading. Christianity has been able to go evil what that is no longer happening. The collective evil in radical islam can only be defeated by peaceful islam. As u. S. Jets continued to pound fighters from Islamic State, mps began an inquiry as to how to counter. But the experts said ultimately there was no military solution. Instead there had to be political, particularly in iraq and specifically within the ruling elite in baghdad. We face a serious threat from the Islamic State in terms of stability and the region. The only longterm solution liquid of the work is a political one that could ever work is a political one. Is, in fact, this government is going to be a government backed by iran, based on shiite parties that do not want to make peace with the sunni population and its leaders and representatives, then we have a longterm conflict on our hands. Sex is there a way is there a way we can use an International Coalition to defeat isil. . My view at the moment is no. But there was a role for airstrikes. Airstrikes to change the balance of power at a tactical level. What appears to be militias fighting isils militias, these are company actions, not very large. A few bombs can change the balance in that area, help to contain. The second thing that airstrikes do is connect to the Counterterrorism Initiative elsewhere. If a target. It is a threat to the United Kingdom, we have the freedom to drop a bomb. Target pops up that is a threat to the United Kingdom, we have the freedom to drop a bomb. In themselves, they are not going to come out your debate in 2005 or 2007, or in afghanistan in 2001, bring down the force you are opposing. But it was the brutal murder of this man which brought home the impact of islamic extremism on our street. Rigby was savagely attacked outside his barracks in southeast london. The parliamentary report rules of the murderer not have been prevented but that the killers had appeared in investigations before the attack. The Prime Minister said that although security agencies have made mistakes, the report said they were not significant enough to make a difference. But he called on Internet Companies to do more to counterterrorism. At the start of december, the home secretary interviews new antiterror laws. The counterterrorism bill would ban Insurance Companies from paying ransoms, the duty on universities to counter extremism, and allow the relocation of terrorism in the. U. K. But it was the measure to ban foreign suspects returning home that was the most controversial. Depending on the individual case, it may also require the individuals to perform activities when they are back in the u. K. There is been a lot of interest in the nature of his power, we have seen this already this afternoon, but i want to reassure the house it will not render an individual stateless. All of those concerned will have the rights that their citizenship guarantees to return the u. K. But when they do, it will be on our terms, and quite possibly in the company of a peace officer. In the u. K. , the police will interview them to explore their activities. This is, in effect, exile. It is exiling, in many cases british citizens to another country. All of history suggest that that radicalized its people and makes them more dangerous enemies to this country. Without any judicial process which she is advocating, we are going to make ourselves in more danger rather than less. I would call from the gentleman in relation to this power. He has used the term exile. This is not saying that people cannot return, but they will be returning on the basis that we have set out in the bill and be returning in a way that is managed and we are able to have some control in relation to that. I understand the system that she is putting in place of managed return. What is not clear on the face of the bill is a system that will be present will be present allow that matters requirement to be challenged. I am wondering if you are not the house on that point. If she could help the house on that point. It seems to me that there must be a mechanism that it can be challenged on their return to this country and to do so expeditiously if it is not an unwanted interference with the rights. It will be possible, there will be a formal challenge available to the individual through judicial review. I warmly welcome this measure because many of my constituents like to see people given a one ticket and not coming back to the country and i think she has found a balance. It is unclear exactly what the government wants to achieve from these powers. The Prime Minister says that we are clear in principle but what we need is a targeted exclusionary power to exclude british nationals from the u. K. That is not what this power does. If someone is served with an order and the host country decides to deport them, and will cooperate and able be returned. There is the power to exclude them britain will cooperate and return them. There is the power to exclude them. The suspect does not have been cooperate with the interview only to turn out. So it seems to be a temporary Exclusion Order to give the Prime Minister of the headlines that he wanted. There was one other story that cast a long shadow over westminster. Child abuse. In september, the home Affairs Committees that the day crossexamining senior officials about the abuse. A report found that over a 16 year. Bank, 1400 children had been abused by gangs of men, mostly of pakistani origins. 16 your period, 14,000 children had been 1400 children have been abused by gangs of men, mostly of pakistani origins. We have held Police Authority meetings. I have been to community groups, i have been out there. I have been inspected by her majestys inspector. I did a followup that looked at intelligence. Some of those reports make me sick when i read them last night. I am not immune to the ideas that this is a hideous crime and i am deeply embarrassed. But i can say with honesty that of the time i was told deputies and chief counsel, i had no idea of the scale and the scope of this kind of organized crime. We find is impossible to believe, because we have heard evidence of the most compelling nature this impossible to believe, because you ever evidence of the most compelling nature. And youre saying that the first time you about this is when you read these reports. We find that impossible to believe, mr. Hughes. I have no understanding of the scale and scope of the issues. Not a single case past your sed your desk . They do not go to the chief constables desk. I was mentioned in this group and it did not get mentioned that those meetings and events i was at with them. This is not something i would have turned a blind eye to or something i would have willfully ignored. With respect, those who know me personally know that i would not trade blind eye or cover up. I take no pleasure in this. I have 36 years of his career and yet on this issue i have signally failed the victims of these criminals. The committee then heard from the director for children and young people who says she has no plans to resign. You knew about all of this you knew about all of this. How can you have failed them in such a way . Should you and all decencies that aside from your post what are others shouldnt you in all decencies step aside from your post so others can step up. You have clearly done nothing in your job. I have worked extremely hard to improve services. I have made sure that we have brought in good resource services, i have protected frontline social care, i have made sure that we had a child exportation team, i have worked hard with colleagues. We clearly have more to improve on but i did it those responsibilities seriously and no i do not intend to resign. Finally, they heard from the crime commissioner. He resigned from the labour party but not from his job as pcc. You do not see one single report that flunked. As elected officials, we are not the experts, so we arranged indicators, and not one local counselor asked me a question in my political group, not one local mp raised an issue or a case of csa over those five years. Not one report raised csa is a significant issue. We do not accept that. What is the point of continuing . I am here to do what i was elected to do when i will see that through. 26 years, you have served thousands of meetings and subcommittees. You are the least credible witness ive ever come across. I do not believe what you are saying. They both later resign from their posts. Resigned from their posts. The government launched a historical inquiry into childhood sexual abuse from the 70s to the present day. The attempt to find a c hair complete the company floundered. She was succeeded by fiona, who stepped down 10 days after making this appearance in front of the Home Affairs Committee because of concerns about potential conflicts of interest. When he appeared in front of mps, the most senior official of the home office apologized for the delay in finding somebody. When you were brought in and you were appointed, after a year and a half, as the new broom into the home office, here we have a situation where the home secretary has been left dangerously exposed both in parliament and outside to a lot of criticism over the way that Due Diligence was carried out. This is not something that minister should do, this is something that officials should do. Why was that not carried out in both of these cases before these names rwere put . I believe there was Due Diligence carried out. What i have not really appreciated was the threshold that we were setting which was probably different for this inquiry then it would be for any others. With me talk briefly about the Due Diligence, this is done like security vetting professional associations, or the on the board with anything are they on the board of anything that might have an association . In the end, we rely on the individuals themselves to identify on if they have personal or social connections. That might either be a real or perceived conflict of interest. You are saying it was not your fault. No i am not. You accept responsibility . Yes i do. You would like to apologize . I am sorry that we are in the situation we are in. I was talking about the first chair getting the inquiry moving promptly and this has caused a delay. And this has caused stress for the survivors and representatives. How easy or difficult do you think it will be divided chairman of such evide eminence . Was not in the past had a discussion who has that in the past had a discussion with someone was a part of the establishment. That was on our mind throughout the process of selecting the first two candidates. We work hard to navigate at. Were trying to navigate that. You are watching westminster in review with melissa mccarthy. Still to come, what is next for scotland and the u. K. . Miles away and oceans apart, politicians grapple with our relationships with europe. They may be peers, but they are still revolting. Another withering verdict on government policy. Yet again, parliament is being asked to the secretary for justice to rubberstamp a rushed and unthought through discrete proposal. But before all of that, lets turn our attention to scotland and the fallout from the independence referendum. In september the scotts rejected the idea by 55 404 . The campaign had been hardfought. The three main parties at westminster promised more devolutions, quickly dubbed the vow. The morning after the referendum, even cameron said that he wanted to look at the powers of the rest of the u. K. And stop british mps from voting on british matters. That upset labor. Opening the, debate, we american argued william haguye. Make no mistake, the need is palpable and serious and across the United Kingdom, we must find that for settlement. Delay is not an option. The debate quickly turned to what is known as the west question, the ability of scott mps to go on laws affecting england while englands mps cannot vote on devolved decisions. They want more power close to them. This is a problem for bush folks to them with flaws, it changes the jobless benefit of members in this house but does not actually take ourpower. These issues are not exclusive. It is possible to believe there should greater autonomy on the local level for her constituencies and mine. If she is talking about how people feel about this, she will have to acknowledge that they also feel that, whether in yorkshire or County Durham scottish members should not go on issues devolved to scotland. The debate was on gordon brown who fought hard to stay with the u. K. And made what is known as the vow,. W. You cannot have one United Kingdom if you have two separate classes of parliament. You cannot have representatives elected by the people that are half in and half out of the lawmaking process. Let us remember the words in the new testament by mark, a house divided cannot stand, and a house divided is brought into desolation. Wont you agree with me that my constituents want to know why it is that you should be able to vote in this place about education on the while i have no say in his constituency. I have not stopped believing in independence. I believe that the people who are best place to run the fantastic country are the people that live and work your. Here. It is true that that we will apply ourselves and we will get the maximum devolution. The only way forward is to not exclude scott or any representatives of minority nationss from voting at westminster on issues like taxation. Gordon brown making one of his final appearances in the commons. He later announced he was to stand out as an mp in may. Down as an mp in may. What do devolutions meme for the rest of the u. K. Mean for the rest of the u. K. . More devolutions must follow. Government leaders said the debate should be about more powerful local councils and not just english votes for english laws. The Scottish Referendum as actually open the Sleeping Giant of england, and i do not think we will go back to the complacency that has been in england before. We think that the government and the Political Parties need to recognize what is becoming a received wisdom without which is apparently we are the most centralized democracy in the world. What sort of devolution what i looking for were they looking for . The emergence of combined authorities for regions, combinations of local authorities around travel to work areas and economic markets is the model that we will be adopting. Meanwhile, plans for more devolution to scotland continued at top speed. The cross parties must Commission Set up recommended that they be given sweeping new powers, taxes and welfare measures. The recommendations were agreed by five parties. The s p, labor, the conservatives, and the scottish greens. A few days later, the architect appeared before mps architects appeared before mps at westminster. Labor speculated. The Scottish Government was going out of the money markets and borrowing money and agreed to a rate of interest with security with the assess the Scottish Government has. How does i have implications for the u. K. Government does that have implications for the u. K. Government . People feel there is no implicit u. K. Government guaranty. It is like a public loan border something. Board or something. The established government would say, we need another billion or something, go to the u. K. Government and they would go into the market with the u. K. Credit rating. If you go to bed for a the other direction, too for in the other direction this is the United States and states can go. To me, it is inconceivable, and doing what all the islands it is inconceivable, that a u. K. Government would allow her Scottish Government, devolved Scottish Government a Scottish Government, devolved Scottish Government. It is an implicit guarantee and if there is an implicit guarantee, you have to talk about them closely together, because the Scottish Government is completely free to go out with an implicit guarantee and borrow potentially recklessly. The u. K. Government would eventually say, hold on, that did not have an implicit. I think, trust people to be grown up and Work Together in a mature fashion saying you did say you would give a sufficient and increased borrowing powers of me will do this and the smartest way to do this at the lowest Interest Rate is to come through. Or we are going to do this direct but we are absolutely saying as we borrow that we have your implicit guarantee and are you prepared to say that is the . There. . It was also change in the Scottish Parliament. Alec salmond announced he was standing down and was replaced by his longstanding Deputy Nicola sturgeon. But he was not leaving the political stage. The later announced he would stand for receipt and was munster. The later announced he would stand for a seat in westminster. In some cases, nothing changed. The scots voted to remain a part of the United Kingdom. In other ways, everything changed. It was promised that scotland would get more devolution, visit of the smith commission. They set up the smith commission. They are proposing radical powers, particularly on taxation, giving the Scottish Parliament for more power over daytoday event. What will happen is that over the next few months that will be knocked into legal parliamentary control. The aim is that when the new government comes into westminster in may of 2015, although the legislation will be on the statute book, they can take it off the shelf and services to legislation to give scotland more powers and we will pass it as a priority when the new government comes in. All of the three main parties the conservatives, the labor, and the liberal democrats, say they all want to do that and keep the momentum going. Lsm and has stood down as leader but alex hammond has stood down as leader but he wants to come back to westminster. He is a big beast, he likes westminster and the environment of westminster. What will be important for alex hammond and nicholas sturgeon is how many people are coming with alex hammond if you select if he is elected. In the opinion polls, they are playing on a large number of mps. They could have 20 or 25 mds. That would be a huge 25 mps. That would be a huge number. Lets look at the flip side of devolution. The whole english votes for english laws, it has almost had trouble boosters put it by what happened in the Scottish Referendum and the promise of more devolution for scotland. Although the government says the two issues are not linked and one does not depend on the other, it is pretty obvious that there are a large deborah of english mps, a large number of conservative mps, saying that it is well and good and we are happy for scotland to have more powers, but if scotland has more powers we want more powers for england, at a regional level or the cities of liverpool and manchester. Or regions of the United Kingdom. There is a growing feeling that is scottish mps can vote on matters that do not affect them that is not there. The question is not going away. There is an agreement isnt an agreement within parties, but alone between parties. The proposals have three from the conservatives and the proposal from the liberal democrats. Labor decided it did not want to be a part of the process. You have five proposals regarding english vote for english laws and you are right. Within parties, there is disagreement about how that can happen. You get the impression that after the general election next year when the new government comes in, it may not see sorting this constitutional reform out as a priority. It is not just the relationship between england and scotland that has taken on a new look. A new color has found its way onto the political map with the rise of the u. K. Independence party. Focusing on the relationship with europe. In october, history was made in the comments when the parties first elected mp took his seat. I swear by almighty god that i will be faithful to her majesty Queen Elizabeth according to the law, so help me god. That was well had a set is a conservative before douglas had sat as a conservative before defecting. And then there were two. Months later the second elected mp took his seat in the columns. The jump from the tories, forcing a by election he jumped from the tories, forcing a by election. The government has had to admit it is not going to hit its target of getting the numbers down in the tens of thousands. David camerons talk upon to change the rules to limit the movement of free people has been given for shrek by angela merkel. Short shrift by angela merkel. He has to get 27 countries to agree with them. How many does he have so far . What we have is a thing that we want to sort out in europe. We want to sort out safeguards for the Single Market, get out of the union, reform of immigration. The used to say he would never before leaving the european union. That was his position two years ago. The cap even answer the question. He cant even answer the question. I just asked him, using the same words he used to run. I answered that question the last time round. I want britain to stay in a reformed european union. What we need the reform. But we need the reform. We have a plan and they have no plan. We say you have to safeguard the Single Market and what do they say, nothing. We say you up to reform immigration and what do they say, nothing. Absolutely feeble. That is why, mr. Speaker, he faces a crisis in his leadership. It is not just people coming to the u. K. Through legitimate routes that is causing concern. It is estimated migrants have gathered looking for ways to smuggle themselves into the u. K. The government has spent millions of pounds but the french want more done. The mayor says that the british benefit system is to blame. To think that there is a perception that do you think that there is a perception that england is a soft touch . You have a much more favorable regime in britain than in other european countries. There is the language question. So the second thing is the weekly benefit given to migrants are asylumseekers. Or asylumseekers. A huge amount of people who have nothing in their lives. We come to the house of lords, or the government found itself doing battle with the second chamber. The row was over the plan for secure college for criminals. The second secure college would have hundreds of offenders. Heres receiving about the plans. Yours were scathing about the plans. Once again we are being asked to rubberstamp and unthought through proposal. On the one hand, we have a secretary of state with no experience of the management of Young Offenders claiming that he can improve the dreadful track record of the Current System on which i reported adversely many times as chief inspector of prisons. By providing Young Offenders with better opportunities, particularly in education, at less cost because of economies of scale. On the other, we have experienced experts say that his proposals are bad for children, bad for justice, and bad for the taxpayer. Both cannot be right. About 16 have serious speech, language, and learning disabilities. 20 or 30 are learning disabilities have learning disabilities. About one in four have been like you estimated to be below 70 have beenan i. Q. Estimated to be below 70. Can you cure these people with a short Educational Program . Is that actually going to be effective . I found the visit to the Young Offenders institution in my constituency among the most troubling ones i have ever had. Because you met young men who have never had a chance of any kind whatsoever in their lives and you recognize that they could so easily have been your own sons. And you recognize, too, how much your own children were privileged. Not through money or any of the things which are foolishly pointed out by utilitarians trotted out by egalitarians, but just by the fact that they are loved. That is why we should not be troubled by any measures that are hurried. Because i think this is very difficult. I just think it is very hard to get these things right. At present, we are only committed to establish one secure college. This facility will be a pathfinder, intended to demonstrate the success of the new program to educating and rehabilitating and offenders. I entirely agree that the first secure college must be rigorously evaluated. Meet reassure my lords and let me reassure my lords that that is what the government intends. They rejected that argument and voted down the idea of secure colleges and another part of the bill, the plan to shake up judicial review. Under the system, ordinary citizens can challenge the decisions of ministers and local bodies. The government wants to streamline the process but the peers rejected the as well. When they sent me go back to the upper house, the peers rejected the idea once again the bill back to the upper house, the peers rejected the idea once again. It was not just the lords making life difficult. The government suffered its first legislative defeat in the commons in november. A proposal about pubs. an mp wanted to have lunch review rents independently reviewed. A labour mp serves up the argument. If they are stopped from exporting landlords and hiking up rents and charging up to 7 more for the cost of a point the price of a bike can only fall this of a pint can only fall. Is it any wonder they cannot point to a clear winner in the general election . We spoke to Professor John curtis and asked him if this was really the most unpredictable election ever. I think there is no doubt that we are in uncharted territory as far as the battle for power at westminster. This parliament had the most substantial independent fourth Party Challenge in english politics ever since 1945 and it does not look like the challenge will be disappearing soon. North of the border, we are seeing a Scottish National party to coordinate remarkable get quite a remarkable fillup. The greens are also playing a nontrivial role. Meanwhile, the two rigs supposedly is, conservative and labor, are struggling two supposedly big parties conservative and labor are struggling. An unknown number of u. K. Mps it is looking increasingly difficult for any of the parties to get a majority. On that point, how will it be for labor or the conservatives to form a majority government . As far as the conservatives are concerned, it will be very difficult to get a majority simply because we have an electoral system which has not been changed since 2010. We knew in the wake of 2010 that it is more difficult for conservatives to get a majority of the labor, so it is a problem. The second problem they seem to face is that they have lost who have been lost most of the roadster . Their votes to . Ukip. They look remarkably economically pessimistic. The challenges persuading the people that they have lost that the economy has gotten better. It is not clear that they are convinced. As far as labor is concerned their problem is in the economy, but it is a deepseated one which is that in the course of the parliament, they have failed to convince that they know how to run the economy more effectively. They have the overcome the suggestion they are responsible for the financial crash. The support for the labour party has ebbed away, making the party look like it will not getting a majority. Be getting a majority. Are the Coalition Parties operating . Separating . Yes. They are emphasizing differences. Many conservative mps simply regard being in coalition with the liberal democrats as just having a train and ball around her legs which they do not want. They are in a desperate situation. They have been weak since the tuition fees reversed and it has gotten worse during the course of 2014. They are keen to say to voters that it is worth voting for us. If you want something in between the harsh policies from the conservatives and the soft economy of labor, you have to back us. The problem is, labor democrats are not known historically for their strength on the economy and this could be a difficult message to sell. [applause] that brings us to that brings us to what end up on this edition of the program, but do join us when we return on monday the fifth of january. 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