Community because of the warfare that the state has directed against africanamericans, so when we think about where we are at in way 15, the difference between 2015 and 1965 for millions of africanamericans is that in 1955, they knew in a very specific way about the existence of racial oppression because there was a National Civil rights movement, and there was a movement for social justice stopped in 2015, millennials, especially poor africanamerican millennials who are on the streets of baltimore, ferguson, philadelphia, boston they realize that the whole articulation of racial progress is not as clearcut as it should be. This idea that because we have barack obama, everything is all well and good where we have massive teenage unemployment, we have massive crisis in terms of lack of access to healthy food and food deserts in African American communities will stop their living in a time period where fairness and racial quality for them is just a jury. This is not about a democratic president somehow host thank you, mr. Joseph. Catherine, ohio, democrat line. Go ahead. Caller good morning. I have a couple of statements. The first is how would our conversation change if Police Officers were killing only young white men . My next statement is that we as a nation, we treat black people different than we do what people. We have a zerotolerance in the cities for black people, but in the county where the good white people live or they think they are the good white people we dont have a zerotolerance. As long as we treat one group of people differently than we do another, we are going to have a different outcome. Stop. Please stop. These are not black africans these are black americans, and treat them as such. If you want to be respected in the black community, treat black people with respect in the black community. Quit stop all this namecalling thugs. These are just white, black, and brown people who have no future. If they had your future, they would feel differently. Live in their shoes for a month. See what it is like to be picked up multiple times for a charge that you did not commit. Things would be different. We have to stop the culture of the police. Host catherine from ohio, thank you. Ms. Wright, go ahead. Guest catherine, you make great points, and i am all for blacks being treated with equality, that is why my parents, who are the products of the 1950s in the 1960s, they sat at the counters, my father was one of the first blacks to go to dental school at his college. I think about Martin Luther king as we sit here today and see the tragedy unfolding for black americans in cities like baltimore, new york city ferguson, and detroit. But i want to address one thing that mr. Joseph said. He said that, you know, i feel like some of it is a bit of a fairytale. Oh, you know, the criminal Justice System, poor black americans, we are just passive victims. The reality is according to the justice department, black men commit homicides six times the rate of white men. Black men or homicide victims seven times the rate of white men. These are facts, i do not pull them out of the air. It is a problem that blacks in america are committing more crimes. Now, we can talk about criminal Justice Reform all we want to but until we get to the root of the problem, which is a family, an intact family mr. Joseph talked about food deserts. When your mom is 13 years old, she is not voice know about healthy eating, so you can have all the great food you can have Grocery Stores until they come out of your p yang yang so to speak, as my mother with a, we have like the mother who slept her son, people are applauding her. As my mother would say, we have, like the mother who slapped her son, the people are applauding her. I want to go back to this thug idea. We had president obama referred to the criminality going on a baltimore, the looting, the rioting. If you look at rappers like jayz and you look at what is going on in hiphop empire, if you will, the new hit series on fox thug is glorified. A black man calling his woman a hoe and a bitch and a cunt, that is like coulter. You see it played out in the street, you see it played out in music, you see it played out in a lot of ways that black america is consuming media if you will and young black males, because they lack black role models in their home, look to that and say i want to be a boller like that, i want to go thugging like that. And finally, one other thing the caller with a i have not walked in peoples shoes, i have not been profiled i have been profiled many times. I have been pulled over in Richmond Virginia those in graduate school, was pulled over by the Police Coming back from a dinner date. I do not like it, but i put up with it because the reality is we are blacks, we make ourselves suspicious because we are committing more of a crime. Isnt it funny that we complain about profiling and all of this, and what happened in baltimore, in ferguson . We do the very thing that we complain about the police for treating us. Do not treat us as different but then we are going to act more crazy and destroy our neighborhood. I am all for equality, and i will argue until black americans are demanding is being treated as equals, they are not going to be i mean, it is absolutely insane. Host let me to mr. Joseph, and we need to get more calls, please. Guest when you think about baltimore and ferguson there is so much political organizing going on. So this idea that African Americans are victims that is not what im saying at all. They are certainly targets of racial and economic exportation, but from the black lives Matter Movement that has sprung up last year to all of these different organizing movements, some of them are clergy, many of them are students, grassroots movements, lgbt, there have been white activists connected to this, black women have been leaders here. We think about alicia garza of the black lives Matter Movement phil of the dream defenders there is so much hope in the air because so many young people we think about the Civil Rights Movement from 1954 to 1955, and we think about the black power movement, people like angela davis, the black panthers, who really had a piece of american democracy but pushed a movement for radical social political culture, selfdetermination, we are seeing that again. This whole idea that somehow African Americans are victims i would absolutely dispute that. What africanamericans are doing is actually critiquing a system of racial and economic oppression that for too long we have refused to talk about as a nation. So what has been really, really heartening is all the organizing that we have seen, and we have another narrative from social media. I call social media the fifth estate because the fourth estate, Mainstream Media whether it is fox or cnn, has really demonized africanamericans, and they have a perspective of why is this happening . You have different anchors saying they are so shocked, so surprised, even though ferguson happened last year, where the fifth estate of social media facebook, twitter, instagram, we see videos of young people who are reading, singing songs, and holding hands. There is something transformative happening. There is a social justice movement, a Civil Rights Movement happening all across this country. And people can feel it. This goes beyond what any president or president ial candidate can say because millions of people who are organizing for radical democracy in this country. Host Peniel Joseph of tufty University Joining us, also crystal wright of conservativeblackchicks. Com. Victor from silver spring, maryland, republican, go ahead. Caller good morning. Two quickie points. Number one, and your real enemy are the illegal aliens. Maryland is a thing to wear a state thanks to the democrats running the state into the ground, and they are welcoming all the illegal aliens they can. They are the ones that are taking the jobs away from the blacks. Number 2 life matters huh . Really . Well get rid of the planned parenthoods letter in the middle of the black americans, then maybe i will believe that black lives matter. Host mr. Joseph, do you want to start . Guest yeah, when you think about what is going on, undocumented citizens are not the problem. What we need in this country is comprehensive immigration reform. But the whole idea that undocumented citizens are taking jobs away from African Americans that is not true. What we need is a massive jobs program. We need a new new deal in this country, and one that is not just for africanamericans but for latinos, whites, native americans, asian americans. Even now we live in a context where after the Great Recession wall street is back up with record profits, and wall street and the nasdaq and different hedge funds. Regular, average, ordinary americans and working class and working poor are doing worse than ever. One thing i can add is when we talk about thugs the reason why it is racist is because we only call African American people thugs. If we call the wall street guys who committed corporate crimes and got off scott free and did not go to jail, if the president was calling them thugs i would have no problem with the word. When you frame a word just and directed at one racial ethnic group, it is racist. The whole reason why the calling of africanamericans thugs is problematic is because we are only directing that isat them. So the whole idea that we are thugs, we are savages is racist, and it ignores the political context of genuine racial and economic exportation. There is a reason why Hillary Clinton said lets end mass incarceration in 2015. It is because we understand both policy experts, activists family, there are so many children being born to parents who are incarcerated one out of every 28 children. There is something tragically wrong about our Justice System. For African Americans, it is an inJustice System, and the problem is not undocumented citizens. Host guest Hillary Clinton has not done anything for criminal Justice Reform. I feel like he is campaigning for ms. Clinton. Id way, her husband had a real tough on crime bill that was signed into law. So lets take Hillary Clinton out. Back to thugs, black americans behave thugs and they will be continue to be called thugs. It is interesting that mr. Joseph did not mention anything about the thug culture glorified by black america by consuming hiphop that denigrates women that teaches glorification through violence. That is just ridiculous. As far as oh, undocumented workers you manyean illegals . People who broke laws to come here, they are not harming black jobs . Mr. Joseph would say oh, there is no opportunity for blacks in an urban environment. We live in a democratic society. The 1964 Civil Rights Act was passed the 1965 Voting Rights act, but suddenly black americans cannot get a job right . Here is the reality to that blacks can get jobs, Illegal Immigrants willing to work point for hours a day, seven is a week under the seven days a week under the table does not help black america. I would remind mr. Joseph that the Unemployment Rate nationwide under this president has consistently been doubledigit compared to the national average. And i have a statistic for him because i guess he does not like facts. Young black men between the ages of 20 and 24 have an Unemployment Rate of about 37 . 37 in baltimore. Compared to 10 for white males and baltimore. So we know that immigration illegal immigration is not a friend of the black man. So i do not know how on the one hand, mr. Joseph can say oh there is no opportunity, and support illegal immigration on the other hand. I want to finally get to this notion of oh, we have an awakening of people in this country. There is no awakening. I think we are more racially divided in this country than we have ever been. And i think you can laugh, mr. Joseph, because i think you find it really funny that people are calling the riots in baltimore uprisings, i would like to plop you down there this week full stop you think you would feel safe . These are not uprisings. These are riotous, violence, criminal behaviors happening disproportionately in young black men and blackmun across this country who are behaving like thugs and until we denounce it and talk some real reform, which comes to the family, nothing is going to change, and i think we are in a crisis that black and White America are very much separated. Like the kerner report said. Host let me get a call in. Lebron, georgia, independent line. Hi. Caller hi. I would like to make a couple of very important comments. I would also like to state that i am a white person, 63 years of days. Ag i was drivinge. 63 years of age. I was driving an amg mercedes, i worked on a campaign for jim hammond, and i was only watched by a state trooper, mr. Charles david makemcdaly, leave a parking lot, and he followed me for miles proceeded to follow into a walgreens, where he could not answer a question of probable cause of following me, and he got heated and beat me all over my car, he beat me on the ground he done i right in front of apathetic white peoplet, and they done nothing. The problem is the police well, she just defined in a moment ago. A thug is a person that will destroy their own community. That is exactly what is going on here, and i will tell you why. I observed this for years. Chattanooga, tennessee, and north georgia, i lived here for most of my life, and the judicial system and the Law Enforcement is ran for profit. It does not matter black or white around here, i can guarantee you. If they can make a dollar off of you or if you offend one of these people, they will be you, they will shoot you, they will do anything and i tell you what, they never get accountability. These body cameras you can forget about them. They are going to use them to advertise of the attacking them. You will never see them being prosecuted because of anybody camera footage. I was also accosted at the deal. I said look, i work on mr. Hammonds campaign, you cannot do this to me. I know who to go talk to. Let me tell you something. We subpoenaed the video footages of the attacks on me at the jail and i was actually standing there so passive that i told them, i said, you guys act like this all the time . You are just acting like buffoons. There is nobody after you, there is nobody threatening you. But they still threatens me over and over again. Host lebron, thanks for your story for so we will let our guests respond for stop guest . Guest he raises an interesting point. We do not hear about it when people like this man is brutalized by police. It does not make headlines. Seecnn is not advertise it. In Fairfax County, there was a white male, unarmed white male gunned down. The Police Officer has been suspended. Serious circumstances as to why he was shot, i believe in the chest. It was during an afternoon in Fairfax County in his townhome. His partner of 20 something years with moving out, they have gotten into an argument, he did not have a gun. He was shot in the door frame of the townhome, and his family begged for medical assistance as he lay dying. The police did not give any medical assistance, and some suspect that the officer is hispanic. Well see no coverage of this, no outrage will stop it has been 20 months and counting, and nothing has been done. The Fairfax County police to permit settled with the family to the tune of the lawsuit 3 million. But there have been no charges filed against this officer. He has been allowed to run around, be suspended. We have no justice, no peace no outrage from anybody rioting. There have been protests in Fairfax County. I do not remember any riots by black or White Americans over this mans death. I think there are bad Police Officers, absolutely. Police brutality occurs, as we saw with freddie gray. And i commend the state prosecutor the baltimore state prosecutor, marilyn mosby, i believe her name is. She gave a wonderful, straightforward press conference, she did not politicize things, and lets hope she really means that she will follow justice and the facts wherever they leave her but we have to knowledge that black men are not the only men being wrongfully brutalized by Law Enforcement. Host mr. Joseph, go ahead guest . Guest well, when it comes to Law Enforcement, the criminal Justice System away from president ial contenders making speeches, many people have been working on this. You have got the Brennan Center at nyu, you have different scholars mohammed, weaver, thompson, so many people working on this issue, and you have groups like families against mandatory minimums and others. What we need to understand is that the criminal Justice System in its entirety is a gateway to racial and economic oppression. White people and latino people suffer as well. The highest rates of suffering are African American, second are latinos, but whites are eight times more likely to be arrested for drug crimes over the last 30 years. When we think about this period that we are in. Too many people are in jail for far too long, and what we have done and one thing i will say, visavis the clintons, certainly and ive written about this bill clinton, the on the bus crime bill of 1994 amplified our problem of mass incarceration that is rooted in the era of Ronald Reagan and the 1982, 1986 antidrug acts. So when we think about what is going on now, we put so many people in the jail we have gone from 350,000 in prison in 1980 to 2. 1 million, and really it is 7 million when you think about probation and parole. We have young kids who are being taken out of their classrooms as young as 7, 8, 9, 10 years old, in handcuffs, and their white counterparts that is not happen. This goes back to even before this. We have a criminal Justice System, and we can see this through racial outcomes. If people want to check out stats, Monique Morris has a book black stats, which has uptodate figures are not only the criminal Justice System but everything from health care to unemployment and all of the social Economic Indicators that show how do we measure racism in between for century. In the 21st century full stop it is through outcomes. We do not just need opportunity in the 21st century we need equality of outcomes if we are talking about real racial and economic justice. Host Peniel Joseph of top university, crystal wright editor and poster of conservativeblackchicks. Com editor and publisher of conservativeblackchicks. Com. Diono you are up nextn. Caller it is me, don, again. The young lady, she is going to get her and coulter badge soon. She is as bad as all of the white folks who call in here and discuss this. It is just what they want to hear, but my point is that all of the education that you two people have, it seems to me that you should know that your nationality is a jew and you have been jews ever since they kicked us out of israel in 70 a. D. The romans took over and they kicked us out and took our identity. And then that