All indicated pretty strongly that theyre going to continue to work hard to live up to the commitments that they made. It seems at least for now this isnt going to lead to a collapse of the agreement, though that is certainly something that people are afraid of. I would say the flip side of all that, the other way to look at this is in a way this is nothing really new from trump. Since the day he took office he and his administrators of the various agencies have been working really, really hard to undo the Climate Policies that were put in place by president obama. In a sense theyve already kind of withdrawn from paris because with the steps theyre taking and trying to take there is really no way for us to meet our commitments anyway. In some ways this could be just seen as a formalization of what theyve already been doing. You heard the president from the rose garden earlier today. He said he would like to renegotiate this agreement. Walk us through that process if it were to occur. How would it happen . Gosh, well, you know, personally i have trouble seeing there really being a successful renegotiation. The reason for that being, you know, when trump says theyre withdrawing, hiS Administration is coming from a place of, one, Climate Change is either a hoax or not that serious or just, you know, something we dont really need to worry about, and, two, they seem to be of the opinion that Renewable Energy is exorbitantly expensive, which is not the case anymore, and certainly theyve made the case that they want to bolster coal and oil and gas, which is sort of totally incompatible with what the Global Climate targets are, so when trump says he is going to renegotiate, to me, thats, you know, not something that i really see happening successfully. I think that that is a little bit more of a, you know, way of trying to say to the World Leaders that, hey, were not totally walking away. Weve heard you. We still want to be part of this conversation, but if if im the leaders of those countries im not sure how much i buy that because im having trouble seeing what it is theyre going to really be able to concede here thats going to be valuable. You have studied this agreement. Is it fair to say the Paris Agreement includes benchmarks and goals that are not really enforcible . Thats correct. The way that paris was able to get sort of agreed upon by this 195 countries was to make it unenforcible and those are practical reasons a lot of countries wouldnt get on board if it was going to be sort of legally required. You know, it was an agreement that was enforceable and had mechanisms for that it probably would have needed to go through the u. S. Senate, which was not going to happen. And so there is definitely a school of thought on this that says, well, paris was unenforceable anyway so maybe this is less significant than a lot of people make it out to be. That cuts both ways. There are Clean Energy Advocates and supporters who say, paris wasnt enforcible anyway, so maybe this isnt so bad. And there are people on the other side who say, you know, paris wasnt enforcible anyway so were really not doing that much, as much damage as the rest of the world says that we are by backing out of this. We are talking with sammy roth, the Energy Reporter for Palm Springs Desert Sun joining us from california. He also writes for the usa today network. So what happens next, if anything . Well, you know, i think next weve already sort of, over the last few weeks and even now in the last few minutes are starting to get indications that other countries are coming forward and saying were going to stick to our commitments. You know, its a lot of people seem to think, and i think just, you know, that china is really going to be stepping into the Global Leadership role of, you know, the climate conversation. Domestically there are still a lot of states and cities and companies as well that are working very hard to increase Renewable Energy and move to cleaner transportation and reduce emissions. California just yesterday the state Senate Passed a bill that would actually require 100 Renewable Energy by 2045, which is much more ambitious than anything anyone else has done thus far. In new york and illinois and Companies Like apple and google and facebook, which are signing huge contracts to be powered by solar and wind. So definitely emissions in the United States seem to be on a trajectory to keep going down. Utility executives are not by and large investing in coal anymore. Theyre starting to see which way the winds are blowing and what are the cheapest sources of power which are solar and wind and natural gas in a lot of places. I think well continue to see, for those reasons and others that emissions continue to go down in the United States. Just not nearly enough to be part of a climate solution that seemed to be the sentiment of former president obama, for states and cities to carry on the task. We are seeing that in a few key areas, correct . We argued in a speech, he mentioned pittsburgh. Said i am governing for the people of pittsburgh, not paris. When he finished speaking, i think it was the mayor of , 80 of usthat said voted for Hillary Clinton and Climate Change. Definitely you are seeing states ,nd cities jerry brown today the governor of california, is making a trip to china where he will talk to leaders there about emissions. I think you will deftly see california trying to step into the worldole on stage. We are not done, were still part of this. States and cities will keep acting. We will look for your reporting online. Roth joining us from palm springs, california. We appreciate your time. 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