Present laughter im just trying to help you. laughter applause jon trying to help me, huh . Try to help me . Well the jerk store called. Theyre adding you. Sadly i didnt say that, and in an instant, rumsfeld was gone. And i would never get my chance again, or so i thought. Donald rumsfeld is now saying he was skeptical when george w. Bush was invading iraq and saying we would have a democracy. The idea that we could fashion a democracy in iraq seemed to me unrealistic. I was concerned about it when i first heard those words. Jon were you . Well. I think we can file that under comments that might have been useful earlier. laughter right behind the hindenburg engineer who said i dont know i thought hydrogen was flammable. It looks to me like its time for stewart versus rumsfeld 2 the grudge match, brought to you by arbys. Arbys its like on hock shockand awe for your bowels. So this. cheers and applause i have no never even eaten there. This is being Donald Rumsfeld after suggesting that he knew all along that spreading democracy in iraq was a bad idea, he ran to fox to clarify. Well its none sense. The article was not accurate. What i said was im for democracy but my concern about the word was that it would leave the impression in that country inaccurately that the United States intended to impose its form of democracy on their country. The idea that our template would fit them at their stage of ef of the evolving governance i thought was would be an unfortunate impression on their part. laughter jon you know okay i get the clarification. You didnt want the iraqis to have an unfortunate suppression about our use of the word democracy. Where could they have gotten that impression from . We expect them to be professional and behave in a way that set this country along a path of democracy. Predictably were hearing from those who say the iraqis cannot pull off a transition to democracy. Look at what happened in ukraine. You look at what happened in eastern europe. You look at what happened in afghanistan. Is someone smart enough ton the iraqis are, for whatever reason, unique on the face of the earth, tatheyre not capable of living in a free system . There are doubters and those hosay it cant be done. There have always been doubters who have said it couldnt be done. Jon and one of those doubters will be me retrospectively 11 years after the invasion. cheers and applause i fought and worked tire wily to make happen so my point is, i was right all along. Well i never thought id say this, but woorks got you, Donald Rumsfeld we got you yeah cheers and applause bam we got ya yeah we. laughter well, that felt strangely hollow. laughter you know, i placed a lot of stock in the idea that getting rumsfeld or douglas, or bush, or cheney, judith miller, Richard Perle bremer, rice any of the other architects or enablers of the iraq war we tried to have on the show, i put a lot of stock in the idea that catching them in some illogical trap or forcing them to admit the errors of their ways would be the ultimate victory but now i wonder as we return to our segment, learning curves. cheers and applause you know, one of the best one of the best, most cathartic examples of catching one of these war architect was erroll morris great documentary fog of war where morris gets another grayhaired, wirerimmed defense secretary to come compleen cleanabout just how bleep wrong he had been, this time about vietnam. Im very sorry that the in the process of accomplishing things i made errors. War is so complex its beyond the ability of the human mind to comprehend all the variables, our judgment or understanding, are not adequate, and we kill people unnecessarily. Jon regret, atonement. Morris got mcnamara. And youd like to think the value of these revelations is that they would give pause to other almost bleep identicallooking defense secretary who might be considering making these same exact errors. Now, admittedly fog of war came out in december of 2003. It was a feelgood christmas movie, i believe, at the time. Original title was jungle all the way. By that time, rumsfeld was nine months deep into the iraq quagmire so too late for rumsfeld to have learned mcnamaras secondland lesson of vietnam, so it would be a valid excuse if rumsfeld hadnt already learned the same lessons about vietnam firsthand as shown in erroll morris other great identicallooking documentary, the unknown known. North vietnamese and viet cong forces moved into saigon. I was in the oval office with secretary kissinger and the president. It was a day anyone involved will never forget. The inevitable, ugly ending of an unsuccessful effort. Jon yeah. Thats the banner that should have been up on that bleep Mission Accomplished boat well, all right rumsfeld, he didnt think that the vietnam lesson was apropos to the middle east. applause he didnt think that the vietnam lesson was apropos to the middle east. That would have been valid if rumsfeld hadnt already learned firsthand lessons of the middle east from the middle east. I would send cables to report back on my observations and i titled one of them back in november of 1983 the swamp. I suspect we ought to lighten our hand in the middle east and keep reminding ourselves that it is easier to get into something than it is to get out of it. Jon yeah, you should have kept that in mind. How did you forget that lesson . Why did you forget that lesson . Oh it was the 80s. Everyone of high on coke. You know how stephen king doesnt remember writing cujo. Same with me and my middle east quagmire memo. And why should he . Because as we have seen, learning curves. And its not as though rumsfeld learned no lessons from his experience with war. Do you think that theres a lesson to be taken from this . Some things work out. Some things dont. That didnt. If thats a lesson yes, its a lesson. Jon thats not a lesson. laughter the lesson from a decadelong elective war against a hostile population split into separate factions and shifting loyalties does not bleep . Sometimes youre the windshield. Sometimes youre the bug. Thats not the lesson. Ask there it is. Thats why these traps and getting them to admit things is so hollow. If you can get one of these guys to admit their mistakes you may have a moment of selfsatisfaction and katharthsis but it doesnt mitigate the horrible consequences of those decisions nor does it stop the next guy from repeating those mistakes and im sure in the future there will be another slickbackedhair, wirerimglasseswearing bleep who is well versed in history who says absolutely we should invade middle earth. Im sure we can stabilize it. Hobbits dragons they will welcome us as ibularitys. And i understand the elves would have left middle earth by this point. So people of the future is it futile to try to pin these people down . Yes. Would it be easier just to give up and let rumsfeld go preferably on an ice flow into the north atlantic . Yes, because no matter what evidence, no matter what arguments, or historical fact you put in front of these people, they think learning curves are for pussies and if even if they did learn it wouldnt change the past or prevent the same mistakes in the future. Which is why i want to say to you, in the future, please, never stop trying anyway. Because theres always hope that one day theyll think just for a second, and that second will be enough time for us to shove these bleep on to that ice flow. To the polar bear only tmobile has americas best unlimited 4g lte family plan. 2 lines of unlimited 4g lte data for a 100 bucks a month. Need a phone with that . Get the lg g4 for 0 down. Switch to tmobile today. Everyone you meet theyre jamming in the street all night long four delicious flavors. One new bud light lime ritafiesta pack. Fiesta forever. Dear stranger, when i booked this trip, my friends said i was crazy. Why would i stay in someone elses house . 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You know, usually on this show and i think you know this usually on this show we take on current event issues of the day but i want to indulge myself a little bit in my love of botany. These are call embryophytes, or plant as simpletons obsessively jon jon. cheers and applause jon tonights guest mark ruffalo, actually your interview is in the next segment so yeah, im sorry, but i just wanted to step out quickly and say to you jon, and say i want to drop the pretense tonight. I know for a fact you didnt watch my movie. laughter i just want to get that out of the way. Jon no, of course ive seen your movie whats it called . Jon its called. Infiniteitly. Jon bear. Infinitely polar bear. Jon you got it. Youre just so good in it. Thanks, jon. No, its cool. Im selling a movie. Youre doing a show. Okay, so im just another addition in the parade of false pleasantries you foist aboutp now thats not entirely, unsuspecting audience members. So its cool. But this this moment, id like to take a look back tonight in a celebration of what a tremendous interviewer you have been. Gl thankbeen. Jon thank you. The movies are great. Thank you. Jon it is a good movie and youre very good in it. Its terrific. The movie opens up on fridays. This book moves me i didnt actually see it. No i have not read it, but heres the thing you havent seen it, but it is terrificking. You have seen it . Jon i have not. I havent seen it. I dont watch that bleep . I dont read that. You have seen it. Jon i have not. Have. Jon you are you kidding me . Obviously, ive seen the movie. I know you havent seen the movie, you know, but thats, you know because laughter . Jon i did read the back. They must have written you up some sort of synopsis you havent seen it . Jon no, but i will go see it. You really dont Pay Attention to your guests. That was another movie i did. Jon you were excellent. Jon hasnt seen my movie. Well, in the the movie she gets him. Jon ive seen it twice. Ive been on the show so many times, and hes never seen government movies. Jon no, no. What i meant was i havent seen it twice. Oh my god ive read it twice. I did read the book. And what did you find in it . Jon i thought it was a recipe for sadness. Is this would not get me through one bowel movement. It is not shakespeare. It must be historically bad. Im not really a sandler fan. I had no idea that you could act. You were here for years and i never thought you were talented. Where do they live, adult living places . Where do they live, your audience isnt l. A. A law office . No, its in boston. Jon what is the characters name . What are all the plot point . I wasnt in the first film. Jon oh publishers clearing house, right . No thats another company. Jon what are you . Thats our rival. Were American Family whats publisher clearing house. Anybody can make a mistake. laughter applause cheers jon, just wait till you make a movie and people lie to you about seeing it. laughter jon i i did i did make a movie. It was called rosewater. Oh, yeah. That was great laughter applause it was so um, rosewatery. Jon mark ruffalo, everybody. Well be right back. You didnt see it. cheers and applause music playing if you havent heard about the latest sale at hotels. Com by now music playing its because youre willfully ignoring me. Music playing book now and save during the fourth of july sale at hotels. Com. Mark and Alissa Anderson recently signed a 30year mortgage on this home. They must be confident about the future. Are you . Buy in. Quickenloans home buy. Refi. Power. Can we please stop with the lectures on smoking already . Ive heard it all. And i want to stop. But cold turkey doesnt sound that hot unless its between two slices of bread. Cant we take this one cigarette at a time . Cause one less cigarette feels pretty big to me. 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Well all of that money was put into a trust. Nobody could touch it, except for your greatgrandmother. She controls it all and decides when to give who what. Its hard to explain. Jon please welcome back to the program, mark ruffalo. cheers and applause first of all, let me say this. Okay. Jon this movie is great and youre terrific in it. It is about let me explain what its about. Its about a polar bear that goes on forever. And i want to say to you that i did actually see rosewater. Jon did you really . And the scene so that was you when the scene when the cop carries the baby through the burning building, and then the dog the dog youre actually thinking of beethoven. That was beethoven. Im so sorry. Jon thats fine. It doesnt matter. This movie a tremendous writer. Terrific. This is her family. You play a bipolar man who is raising her. Its her father and raising his two mixed race daughters on his own in the 70s while hes in a fullblown bipolar episode. Episode or depression or mania. Jon right. Whats so difficult about this and it is to do that character because theres going to be hilarity and you want to be careful that youre not making fun of, but sometimes i remember my grandmother had alzheimers. Some incredibly funny stuff happened, but thats tough thats tough to express. Yeah. You dont want to laugh about mentally ill people. Jon right. laughter but its real life. It is. Jon and thats how people get through it. And i think thats kind of what makes the movie work so well is it does bbs out scary moments with the humor. Jon let me ask you something this is something that came up earlier and i dont know what you think about this. Hulk versus superman. cheers and applause now, they asked i can give you my take on it. Yeah i want to hear it. Jon so my take on it is superman can fly. Hulk can bounce. Jon my point to them was if they both stood like and both jumped, whos coming down first . Okay. cheers and applause jon dont you think . If if the high jump was the determining factor of who would win in, you know im going to miss you. cheers and applause . Jon listen to this, though. My point is. cheers and applause seth down. Whenwhen hulk gets mad. Dont you think that would make him so bleep bad . Can we do this again some other time . Jon i would like to do that very much so. You know what else i want to talk about because we dont have a tremendous amount of time and this is something i admire about you greatly. A lot of celebrities they drop into these Charity Efforts or things like that. You know, they do it. They dont really care about it. Youre not like that. You act, i think as a hobby to allow yourself money or whatever to work on issues you care about. You should see what this guy is doing whats your Environmental Group called 100 . Theres water defense. Jon water defense. Which we defend water, which is can i tell you who would be great at that . The hulk. He is green. And theres the solutions project, which is, you know, accelerating the change to take the United States and the world to 100 renewable energy. Jon thats what it is, 100 renewable energy. Thats your passion. cheers and applause a lot of guys wont see a lot of people are are afraid of what that might do to their image their career. I admire the fact that guat it not to be trite, 100 . Thank you. Jon its impress and i have you do great work and youve actually seen results. Yeah. It started basically out of the fight against frac here in new york state, which we won. cheers and applause and people never win. We never win you know, but we won. We had rumsfeld running things instead so we won. Out of that came an idea okay so if we dont use hydrofracking what do we do . And that brought me to stanford where i met professor jacobson and i said i saw you did a paper about hypothetically taking the United States to 100 reniewblg energy. Could you do that for new york state . And could you do that in lets say 30 years . And he said, i cant help you. Im in the middle of midterms. laughter . Jon well, i thought this stfers actually going to a different place. Two days later, i got 25 pages of what became the sustainable the study to take new york state to 100 renewable energy. Since then weve done 50 states and 50 plans. You can go on our web site. Every state has a plan to take it to 100 renewable energy. cheers and applause jon mark ruffalo. Infinitely polar bear, new york and Los Angeles June 19. Expands to more cities. Mark ruffalo, thank you for coming by. cheers and applause only tmobile has americas best unlimited 4g lte family plan. Thats right. The best in the game. 2 lines of unlimited 4g lte data for a 100 bucks a month. And for a plan this big, you want a killer phone. Get the lg g4 for 0 down. Add lines for only 40 bucks a pop. So give your carrier the boot. Get the lg g4 and full speed 4g lte data that really is unlimited. Switch to tmobile today. julia people laugh about having gas. mark or anything to do with your bowels. Its funny. Until the doctor finds a tumor in your colon. And you smoked. And you nearly die. And you have surgery. And chemotherapy. And a colostomy bag. mark if that happens to you, my tip would be to keep your sense of humor. Youre gonna need it. announcer you can quit. For free help call 1800quitnow nyan mbai ngueda koba a teraga ndiki bongue a teraga ndiki bo a teraga ndiki bo nyan mbai ngueda koba nyan mbai biniigana gwo ni gwo right now at pizza hut, you can get any two medium pizzas for 6. 99 each. Get any toppings. Any crust flavor. Anything you want for just 6. 99 each. And sweeten the deal with a hersheys triple chocolate brownie for just 5. 99. Only at pizza hut. Jon thats our show show. Here it is, your moment of zen. You received the award last night from the Brooklyn Museum that honors women for feminism. Some say miss piggy shouldnt have gotten the award [hail to the chief plays] good evening my fellow americans. I just want to thank you for your continued faith in we won, mother[bleep]ers [screaming] we won thats my anger translator luther. Whoo yeah whats up . [humming] mm mmmm mm mm mm mmmm but i want to wish my opponent, mitt romney, well. He ran a good campaign. Take that [bleep] back to the lab, mitt, cause you lost and now we move forward with pressing issues. We gonna pass healthcare again. Now what, bitches . While we had huge turnout from our faithful supporters. Thank you, black folks we made it to two elections in a row, man now how hard was that . All your votes were crucial in this victory. White people who voted for me yall are all now honorary black people. So thank you for your support. And [bleep] you if you tried to [bleep] me i mean, you know how much money they tried to spend to get rid of this . Millions, son i said millions but you couldnt get rid of it, [bleep]. Aw, naw. Yeah, cant touch this. Luther. Nluther, whatd i tell you . No hammer dancing. Come on, b we won lets do it, dog no, im, uh, iii told you i dont want you doing it wrong. Ohh. You gotta get it right. Ohh if youre gonna do it god bless america. Oh, thats right thats right. Say it, though. Say it now, iii told you, homeboy you cant touch this. [soul music]