is "the daily show with jon stewart." [cheers and applause] captioning sponsored by comedy central [theme song playing] [applause] >> jon: welcome to "the daily show." my name is jon stewart. my guest tonight, we got a good one for you tonight, the great bill moyers will be joining us, one of the few legends of public broadcasting not made of foam rubber. perhaps you saw me on moyers' show. last night we took a measured look. god, there's really no way to cover this weiner story. all right. fine. i guess [bleeped] was taken. anyway, the upshot is obviously very strange story. congressman possibly tweeted a picture of his john or had his twitter account hacked and a picture of his junk sent or a picture ofcline is theree1 was . oddly enough, it's also the name name of what was used to clog the gulf oil leak. also he's a very good friend of mine. i was hoping he'd have a very clear and strong explanation that hasn't necessarily happened so far. but after saying that he wasn't going to comment on the situation, he's didn't a few interviews this afternoon. obviously too late in the day for us to really sink our teeth... [laughter] i mean, there's no... it's too late in the game for us to suck his [bleeped]. why run from it? fine. [cheers and applause] we can't show you a -- we can show you a quick snippet. >> i didn't send that picture out. >> but that's not a picture of you many >> i can't say with certaintude. my system was hacked. pictures can be manipulated. pictures can be dropped in and inserted. [laughter] i guess that clears that up. you know, i'm not certain about a lot of things. there are three things in this world that i do have certaintude on. the empire strikes back is the best star wars movie. [cheers and applause] o.j. killed those two people. and the third one is what my erect penis looks like in my own underwear. [applause] i will tell you this: i know."y penis like the front of my hand that i use to get to know my penis. [laughter] so i don't know what's going on here. i don't know how this thing's going the play out, but obviously we'll keep you appear appear -- appear nis of any new things going on. >> day three of sarah's one nation us with tour, she met with donald trump on his home turf right here in new york city. >> jon: oh, my god, she's here! she's in the house? with him? wow, this brings up so many questions. whose name will they put on the vehicle they travel in? hmmm. will they call it trailing palump? what will they call it. so trump's showing palin the town. i'm sure he took her to some savvy place like the trump all you can eat caviar, trump foie gras cafeteria, where you're guaranteed to contract gout, the disease of kings. >> do you feel broke? they went out for a slice of pizza in new york's times square. >> >> jon: slice of pizza. respect. >> the place is called famous famiglia pizza, an albanian chain of pizzeria. [laughter] >> jon: what? famous famiglia is on 50th an broadway. i've eaten there, that pizza is fine. i used to eat there a lot when i was working next door at caroline's comedy club. it's good convenience pizza. back in the '08s there weren't a lot of food options. it was famiglia's pizza or edible underwear from one of the porn shops. giuliani took that option away. you know, donald, i don't want to say anything, but if you're taking an esteemed visitor to get real new york pizza, famiglia's ain't it. >> it was great. wasn't that good? it was real new york pizza. >> jon: no! no! it's not! unless real authentic new york pizza can also be found in terminal four of the phoenix airport. governor palin new york disrespect to you, you're a guest in our city, we should offer you the finest that our hospitality has to offer you. i just would have thought captain combover could have pulled that one offer. i mean, for [bleeped] sake, it's new york city. i hate to use this term this close to ground zero, but we're a bit of a pizza mi mean, you kt lombardi's... [cheers and applause] honestly, lombardi's. oldest pizza rhea in town, little italy, they make their own pork sausage. go to grimaldi's under the brooklyn bridge. go there early. totonno's, coney island, thin crust, sweet sauce. go to the one on bleecker's. that's full. but the pies, mmm. denino's on staten island, the bred crumbs on the island. go to joseph's. [bleeped]. i get it. i get it. [applause] you're in a hurry. maybe there's security concerns. i'll forgive you the selection. i apologize. let's just go to the content of your meeting and then we'll just -- son of a bitch. you stab your slices, donald? with all due respect, you stab slices of pizza, the steam from the bottom of the slice is going to make the top crust [bleeped]. maybe all those years, all those years of making your hair do whatever it is that it does, you think you can go around layering any [bleeped] thing you want the layer and no one is going the say anything about irtd, but you cannot. you know something, i apologize. i apologize. no disrespect. i apologize. let's continue with the meeting. are you eating it with a fork, a [bleeped] fork? ahhhh, nooooo! [laughter] [speaking gibb irish] donald trump, why don't you take that fork and stick it right in new york's eye. donald trump, we work hard. can you do this? you disrespect us in our own house? you can few your name on everything. you can build your [bleeped] glass and gold-paint buildings to the sky, blocking out the central park sun. it's fine. it's fine. but you invite an important visitor to our house and our town and eat your pizza with a fork right in front of her. who the [bleeped] do you think you are? [spoken with italian accent] why don't you beat it with a crying goat on liberty island, you son of a bimp. you son of a bitch. watch and learn. watch and learn, for god's sake. watch and [bleeped] learn. [cheers and applause] you ogre. you fold it and you eat it. one hand. you have the other hand free, power aw2bopepper. maybe you give it to your friend. it's delicious, yeah, yeah. take care of that. all right. very nice. or maybe you just use your other hand to take an irresponsible amount of napkin, dab it on. there and maybe a few minutes later you just throw them the [bleeped] out. you just throw them out. or you leave them on the table and say, you want a tip, here's your [bleeped] tip. what do i look like, a [bleeped] bus boy? no disrespect. actually, i was a bus boy. my point is this: [laughter] [cheers and applause] donald, i'm going to tell you a story. i'm going to tell you a story, donald trump, my grandparents immigrated to this country. my gann fare worked as a taxi driver in brooklyn. my other grandfather worked as a dry cleaner in washington heights. i do not come from successful stock. but every day they worked their fingers to the bone, to the bone, because it was their dream that some day their grandson could afford demeanor v.d.s of all robert de niro's movies, so that he could, little jewish boy of latvian, lithuanian and mongolian blood could one day, god willing, pretend to be italian on television. [cheers and applause] andñr now, you [bleeped] your pizza with a fork. based on how you eat pizza, donald, i want to see your long form birth certificate [ man ] ♪ trouble ♪ trouble, trouble trouble, trouble ♪ ♪ trouble been doggin' my soul ♪ since the day i was born ♪ worry ♪ oh, worry, worry worry, worry ♪ [ announcer ] when it comes to things you care about, leave nothing to chance. travelers. take the scary out of life. >> jon: my guest tonight is a bestselling author. he's a prize-winning journalist. he hosts "bill moyers journal." his new book is called "bill moyers journal: the conversation continues. " please welcome back to the program bill moyers. [cheers and applause] so nice to see you. and you too. >> jon: thank you for coming by. i was reading. it's so nice to read the interviews that are compiled in this because it reminds you of just what a great voice you are on television, and it's, you know, pardon me, and i know that you'll be uncomfortable doing this, but what's so nice about your interviews is they provide context but not amnesty. they have this incredible ability to bring out the layers of a story, but not to excuse anything elsement and you may just nod if you want. [laughter and applause] i really appreciate it. so what's your... when you approach an interview, what's your... what's your preparation like? >> well, first my folks and i try to figure out the difference between the important and the immediate because the immediate is not always the most important. and who can speak to what we think is important? we do a lot of research, a lot of reading, a lot of talking and all of that. you know... [laughter] >> jon: i'm going to put star by that. >> i don't think you told your friends here about the first interview. because i'm a pretty good choice. the first interview in this book is who but you and i having a i>m9ythat's first one. >> jon: that's what drew my eye to the book. [laughter] >> well, we started not necessarily with the smartest, but with the most... >> jon: thank you. thank you. [audience reacts] he's rights. let me ask you a question. when you say "the most important," that seems to be what is missing from today's journalism interviews, a sense of editorial authority and the courage to exercise it. >> well, it's your own independent judgment. you have to bring that to bear on your choices. you have to decide, this is what i think is good, is what i think is right, and then stand by it. you have to document it. you have to prove that your authority is credible, that it's justified. i learned a lot. i don't follow sports very much, but i learned a lot from the great one of hockey, wayne gretzky. you remember that he said his strategy was always to go where the puck was heading, not where it is. he read the game, as somebody said, in magnificent way. and that's what we journalists should try to do, try to see where the puck, the news, the events are going. and to be there when it happens so we can put it in context. and when you do that, you gain a certain authority from being right more often than wrong. >> jon: do you think journalism is in trouble because it's lost that authority, the will to exercise that authority, the ability to exercise that authority? what's... where would you say is the biggest lapse that you see? >> i think we're lost in what... i believe it was whitman or thorough called the mere smoke of opinion. the news is about what people want to keep hitting. everything else is publicity. people don't want to keep their opinions hidden. they want to keep the facts hidden. it takes a lot of money, a lot of time, a lot of effort to explore the facts and bring them out. so a lot of news organizations no longer do much reporting. they simply rely on opinion, talk, all of, that and that undermines journalism. the other thing is we are abusing ourselves to death. it's all about entertainment today. jon jon i should just go. [laughter] [applause] >> you actually entertain? >> jon:, no not really. every now and again. >> the reason you're first in the book is people said, why do you have jon stewart on the show. you were first on my show when i came back to pbs in 2007. and i said, well, because mark twain wasn't available and he's not. but the truth of the matter is, your people here know that the truth goes down better in a democracy when it's in humor, but you do a splendid job of juxtaposing. you don't attack people. you put what they said ten years ago and what they said last night. that's what good journalism is about. it's about comparing. it's not declaring it. >> jon: well, that's very kind of you. i feel like we're not to dye that man's mustache, but thank you for putting us in the same sentence. we're going to take a commercial impressive resume. i see you're flatulent in three languages. graduated top of your gas. [ male announcer ] got gas on your mind? your son rip is on line toot. [ male announcer ] try gas-x. powerful relief from pressure and bloating in a fast-acting chewable. gas-x. pressure's off. we don't go lower than 130. big deal, persuade him. is it wise to allow a perishable item to spoil? he asked, why leave a room empty? the additional revenue easily covers operating costs. 65 dollars is better than no dollars. okay. $65 for tonight. you can't argue with a big deal. you know, something you said earlier reminded me of one of the interviews we did in a book with susan jacobi. you were talking a lot about the language of keeping things hidden and the language of deception. it seems like the public discourse is now the language of deception, and news media, whose job it would be to defog the room, are pretending that they can just not even referee but i don't know, mod rated wouldn't be the right word, narrate. it seems like the news media today just far -- narrates as opposed to anything else. >> they're narrating their impression. they're not reporting about the world. susan jacobi is one of the most interesting interviews about her because she's the author of a book about people who exercise independent judgment. they're the rebels and the protesters. and she talk about what you just said. in fact, i don't like to interview... i admire what politicians dork but i don't like to interview them because their language is designed to conceal. i like to interview people who want the reveal their thinking, and i think that's what works with you as well. people want to talk. they will talk. they won't try to put it in that smoke and fog of deception. politics, newt gingrich, bless his heart, got in trouble on "meet the press" by speaking the truth. you can't speak the truth on television today because somebody will find a way to turn it against you, and that's why people are very cautious, very careful, they're not willing to engage. we're not even here talking about the words. both of us are trying to get to the meaning of each of us, trying to get to the meaning behind the words. that's where the interview becomes a conversation, when both of you are trying to be comfortable in exploring. >> what do you do in that situation? this is'ding away at me. when you have somebody on there that you want so desperately to engage in that manner. we had donald rumsfeld on our show. i can honestly say i believe i lost more sleep over that interview than he probably did over the entire iraq war. [laughter] during the interview, though, it's very early on, and he says, i say to him, so the administration sells us this idea of weapons of mass destruction. "if i may, not sold, presented." it was early on. and i just went past it. and that night around 2:00 a.m. where i do my best work -- [laughter] i was thinking, that was the intercessory view, in the space between our definitions of what they did, sold and presented, and how do you accomplish that? how do you find those spaces and can you and how do you let it go? >> well, most of my guests are not on the show to make news. they're on the explain the news, to help understand the news. so there's in game plan there. they're not trying to find that edge that will create a headline in tomorrow morning's paper. they're really trying to help us put into perspective what we have seen and experienced. you know, the worst hour that i ever put on was many years ago with henry kissinger. he was secretary of state. he granted me an interview. all he did [grumbling] [laughter] it was eloquent. [grumbling] i didn't understand a word he was saying. yes, mr. kissinger. but i already announced it. i had to put it on the airment i vowed after that never to do an hour with any official because they're always trying to make sure you don't understand what they say, even though they use simple words to express it sometimes. what you do is, well, here's my technique, and in 40 years, i've never been called on it. i interview in lech, and then i edit. i make sure that we in the editing get to the essence of what that person really wanted to say. it's matter of judgment, but in 40 years, i've never had anybody come back and say, you took me out of context or you didn't get to the essence. they are actually thankful that we have listened in a way that is beyond the words and then edited what is their view of what they would have said if they were as good as it as we are in editing. [laughter] you listen for the meaning, not necessarily for the words. >> jon: you said it beautifully. that's the other thing i should write down, "edit to not take out of context." [laughter] >> always a pleasure. >> jon: thank you very much. bill moirgs. moyers. his new book is on shelves now. bill moyers.
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