Tuning in. Im so excited, my guest tonight the editorinchief of National Geographic, Susan Goldberg is joining us, everybody. Its a really fascinating article from National Geographic. You want the stay tuned from that. Since she is from National Geographic, lets start with weekend news from somewhere americans only usually hear about on National Geographic. It is often said a good speech leads forever and on occasion of swearing in of ghanas new president akufoaddo, whole paragraphs of speeches from two new american president s appeared to have found their way into his speech. It appears to have been lifted from bill clinton and george bush speeches. I ask you to be citizens. I ask you to be citizens. Citizens, not speck starts. S. E. C. Zits, not spectators. Citizens, not subjects. Citizens, not subjects. Though our challenges are fearsome, so are our strengths. Though our challenges are fearsome, so are our strengths. Americans ghanaens have ever been a restful, hopeful people trevor i love it so much applause at his inauguration, ghanas president of the United States stole parts of his speech from bill clinton and george w. Bush. I like that hes like, no, no, i can see the similarities, i can put them together. He thought he could get away with plagiarizing. And an idea he stole from melania hes stealing everything i cant wait for ten years from now when african president s are stealing speeches from donald trump. The New York Times is doing another hit on me sad, exclamation point laughter you have to admit ghanas president is a genius for doing. This what are the repercussions . America will be like, hey, you stole from us they will be, like, well, you stole us. Lets call it even, huh . Lets move to the top story, the golden globes, which by the way is also what trump calls boobs, last night the Hollywood Foreign press association held its 74th annual awards show honoring the best in film and television. There is been a lot of focus on diversity in award shows, and it was great to see so many black artistest recognized for their work. I have to the most diverse golden globes. Moonlight pig best picture. Tracee ellis ross. Viola davis for fence also. Best comedy and best comedic actor applause trevor thats right, what a night for black actors and they pronounced all their names correctly it was, like, give them the awards before he comes back, we can all pronounce viola i feel bad for the golden globes. Fences an adaptation of an August Wilson play and the other film hidden figures, completely different movie about the black female mathematicians whose work at n. A. S. A. Helped put a man in space which is an amazing story. If you havent watched the movie, you should. Eth heroic work. Im not impressed that black women could do the math and send a man to space. Whats impressive is they agreed to bring him back from space. That was the thing. Theyre, like, yeah, well send him up and not bring that white bleep back. Now you and now you are going up next. How come no ones coming back . I guess you should have made my supervisor. Thats what you should have done, you should have made me supervisor. applause so these are two totally different movies, the only thing they have in common is that black people are in leading roles. Fences and hidden figures. For best supporting actress in a Motion Picture here are the nominees, viola davis, fences. applause Octavia Spencer hidden fences. So youre nominated for hidden fences. How cool is that . You said this party is known for a little drinking laughter trevor you can see in that moment pharrell in his head, hes like im not happy hes like, hidden figures, figures, in his head, its figures. Come on, figures, please you know what this is you know what a hot topic black films at award shows have become. If there are just three movies, make sure you remember the three if theres five, theres not going to be five, so just remember the three come on, hollywood. Youre telling me you can tell the difference between ryan gosling and Ryan Reynolds but not these movies . Theyre both white, have beards, canadian, both handsome, both have dreamy eyes that pierce into your soul and make you want to kiss them in the rain and question everything youve learned in life and just wish you could find them on a fight and but thats not the point. The point is i can tell the difference between them. But lets look on the bright side. The bright side is at least now there are enough black movies nominated for people to be confused, so progress yeah thats what it is, progress it could have been worse it could have been a lot worse it could have been going, hey, pharrell, i loved you in 12 years of madea halloween laughter could have been worse. Tyler perry is at home going, mmm, i like that, 12 years madea halloween. laughter but thats the case in hollywood. Whenever meryl streep is involved in something, there is a good chance she will steal the show. Last night was no difference. There was one performance this year that stunned me. It was that moment when the person asking to sit in the most respected seat in our country imitated a disabled reporter. It kind of broke my heart when i saw it, and i still cant get it out of my head because it wasnt in a movie. It kind of gives permission for other people to do the same thing. Disrespect invites disrespect. Violence incites violence. When the powerful use their position to bully others, we all lose. Trevor wow. Wow. applause trevor wow. applause that was powerful. Although i can see de denzel sitting there going, i still think i was better in fences, but whatever. laughter even in a career distinguished as merrills, her speech last night was a high light. She spoke to so many things. It was so great except for a tiny part where meryl streep like her character in Foster Jenkins if you kick them all out you will just have football and martial arts to watch, which are not the arts trevor i dont know if i could have done better, but i feel like we could all learn this as people, you dont have to make your point by bleep on someone elses thing because a lot of people love football and the arts. Yesterday i was watching football with the friends and went on to watch the golden globes. A lot of time football and arts go hand in hand. For instance, 1 2 commissioner Roger Goodell acts like he cares about concussions. They go together. But if you focus on that part of the speech, you miss the larger point. It was a speech about respect, about empathy, and most importantly was a speech about responsibility. We need the prince prld press to hold power to account, to call them on the carpet for every outrage, because were going to need them Going Forward, and theyll need us to safeguard the truth. Trevor wow. If they gave awards for accepting awards, meryl streep would win that award. That means she would be stuck in a time loop of accepting. No, because she would win, accept for winning, then go win again, and would be trapped in this world, a black hole, a time that we wouldnt be able to escape. We would be, like, ah, we cant escape but this is better than a trump presidency, so lets stay here, but still want to escape. I thought it was weird last night hollywood celebrated itself for being progressive but ignored how much they reinforce negative stereotypes. Think about it, in hollywood, middle easterners are almost always terrorists. Black people are gangsters and slaves. Its not like there arent other diverse stories to tell. Just look at hidden fences, you know . laughter if you think about it, even hollywood dogs have more varied roles. If you only make stories that show people a certain way, there is a good chance they will be perceived that way. And if you want to fix the problem of how people are perceived in america, actually really, im wasting my time if i want anyone to listen to this, i have to win an award and make it my acceptance in fact, you know what . Im going to make my own award right now. And the award for best mixedrace late night host named trevor, and the winner the its meryl streep . No the winner is me cheers and applause oh, wow wow oh oh, wow thank you so much i just want to say real quick, diversity is not just about a quota. 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I guess well never know the truth. laughter you know one thing were all going to have to get used to over the next four years is donald trump and his people saying that things we saw with our own eyes didnt happen. And not like in a cool way, you know how like gangsters are like, hey you didnt see nothin, you hear . That would be cool because if trump gave us 50 each every time, we would be, like, yeah, yeah, we didnt see anything. laughter but he didnt do that. Its not just about things trump says. Its also about whether another country interfered with an american election. You probably heard this, on friday the entire American Intelligence Community released a public report agreeing russia meddled in the president ial election, most likely in an attempt to get donald trump elected. Then since that was a thing that happened on earth, donald trump tweeted his response. This is part of his twitter reaction to the russian hack report. Intelligence stated very strongly there was absolutely no evidence that hacking affected the election results. Voting machines not touched. That is not true. You can read it yourself. The report says no such thing. Intelligence agencies explicitly say they have no way of judging whether hacked emails and other russian tactics like promoting fake news may have affected the decisions. Trevor who is this man . He writes the worst cliff notes ever. I get it, it was the best of times, dont listen to that loser, charles dickens, he doesnt know what hes talking about. The media is lying trump is talk about a public report we all know whats in it so we know that trump is lying about what the chiefs told him because we can see that thats not what they said we can see it its a totally catchable lie hes saying, i didnt finish the milk, but we know you did, donald we know you did its a dead giveaway cheers and applause what people dont seem to understand is this is about to get much worse because usually the intelligence agencies dont tell anybody bleep , and then you realize every single one of us will have no way of knowing when donald trump is lying, which he will be, a lot of the time, because now they said this is what we think, and they told us. Normally they just tell the president and then he would be like, they tell me something else, and we wouldnt know why. Truth may not be on trumps side, the despicable people who work for him, they are. Trump surrogates. 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My guest tonight is the editorial director of National Geographic partners and editorinchief of National Geographic magazine whose january issue is dedicated to the gender revolution. Please welcome Susan Goldberg cheers and applause trevor thank you so much and welcome to the show. Thank you so much and thanks for having us. Trevor this is an amazing issue that National Geographic released. Lets get straight into the why. I mean, an entire issue dedicated to gender around the world. I can understand it being, you know, an article or even an extended piece of an issue, but why the entire issue . Everywhere you look these days you see gender at the center of so many conversations, and not just in our country with discussions about bathroom laws in North Carolina or texas. But everywhere in the world, and it isnt just about transgender, its about gender. So whether its about girls in sierra leone trying to, you know, thwart traditional norms of female genital mutilation and childhood marriage or men in sweden taking advantage of really generous policies for paternity leave after having a child, youre seeing so much conversation around the worl about gender. Trevor i think what really struck me when reading this issue wasnt it was about gender but the conversations had. As you say, it was all around the world and, most interestingly, it was all about children. It was about how children see themselves on the gender spectrum, it was talking to kids in different cultures all over the world, specifically nineyearolds, very specific age. So why did you choose that . So nineyearolds are articulate, great observers, theyre likely smart, for those ofous who have been around nineyearold kids, and they do tell you the truth. We went to families in eight countries all over the world and said what does it mean to be a boy in your cull sure . What does it mean to be a girl in your culture . Whats the best thing about being a boy . What would it be like to be someone of another gender. They told us what they thawvment the answers are funny sometimes, heartbreaking sometimes. One to have the big takeaways is how much girls around the world still use gender to define limits in their lives. They say being a girl not all girls said this but a number said being a girl somehow limits their abilities. Trevor yes, but you dont even realize it, when youre reading through this article, one of the pictures that really jumps out, and i think we have it here, is the blue and pink, you know, showing how boys and girls roles in their lives are defined. Its almost produced and predetermined. So this was a project undertaken by a south korean photographer who saw that, you know, her own daughter just loved pink and she got really curious about the idea of, you know, was it societies that were sending girls to pink and boys to blue or were they just doing that naturally . So she started going all over the place looking at how it is that kids end up surrounded with a sea of pink if youre a girl or a sea of blue if youre a boy. Trevor before i tell you or before i let you go, rather, lets talk about the cover, because the cover is something that, in its own right, was something that you found was met with a lot of, you know, objection. You have a transgender child on the cover. We do. Trevor the first in National Geographic history. As far as we know. Trevor yeah, thats actually very true. You met a lot of resistance. People who got the cover said, you know, why, and we didnt want this. What was their reasoning . Well, i think some people were offended that we even would have an issue about this topic. I have received a lot of complaints from people who say this is not the kind of topic that National Geographic ought to even be discussing. They just didnt feel it was appropriate. You know, i understand at the a lot of these complaints are hearheartfelt and i respect peoe for having that opinion, but we really did think it was important because there is a huge conversation going on, even if some people dont want to acknowledge it. You know, other people objected because they said this is a child is that yeah. Youve got a child on your cover and avery jackson, the girl on the cover who went to our subscribers, is nine years old, and ever since she has been four years old, she has said, i am a girl, and that is how she is being raised, that is what her and her family, you know, theyre Going Forward with that, shes actually an activist in the transgender community, and, so, we felt very comfortable putting her on the cover. Trevor she actually had one of the most fascinating phrases on the cover here and that is the best thing about being a girl is now i dont have to pretend being a boy. Right. And when she said that we thought in that one sentence it really put her at ground zero of so much in what people are talking about in terms of gender. Trevor i could talk to you for hours on this because the pictures of the stories and the ideas behind it are really fascinating. I encourage everyone to go out and get the issue. But thank you for making it. Thank you. Trevor thank you so much. cheers and applause the january issue of National Geographic magazine is on stands now and nationalgeographic. Com genderrev olution. Susan goldberg, everybody. Well be right back. Thank you so much. cheers and applause