The fbi is saying this is just fact ch factually incorrect. Thats certainly their concern. Their statement says that they really didnt have a whole lot of time to review this memo. From everything they have seen, that is the fbi director, Christopher Wray, has seen this memo. From everything he has seen, he has concerns that it is going to be misleading, that there are inaccuracies. This memo, apparently, from fwht ive been told in talking to sources, does not paint a full picture of what the fbi was doing. Thats the danger here. We in the public are going to see something that is not complete. And yes, its going to be unfavorable to the fbi. That is because we are not seeing the full picture. Ive been told similar things. When we say the full picture, its all the background intelligence that would have been used to make a judgment that you need to monitor. So for instance, if this is about a fisa, a renewal fisa that the Deputy Attorney general Rod Rosenstein approved, in order to get an approval on a renewal, you have to show the fisa court that the existing fisa was giving you information, that you were getting valuable information. In order to get the renewal, so if they got a renewal that, means the court felt they were getting good information. I want to get more into that, but big picture here, you have Christopher Wray, the new director of the fbi, chosen by President Trump, openly, is he not, defying the administration here and the Justice Department. Certainly is. Were told there are people at the department of justice that did not want the fbi to do this, to issue this statement, to go public with their concerns over this. Privately, certainly people at the fbi, at the department of justice who have spoken to us have raised this concern. But for the fbi to issue this kind of a statement so publicly, its unprecedented, unheard of, and perhaps maybe the fbi is now saying, you know what, enough is enough. Weve been beat up enough and its time we stand up for ourselves. And there are really two issues here. The fbi is saying this is not an accurate portrayal of why we wanted to surveil this person, carter page, who is the subject of the surveillance, former Trump Campaign adviser. The Intelligence Community, more broadly, has been telling me that theres also a danger here that youre revealing the way the u. S. Intelligence goes about its business, how it picks targets and why it might pick a target here. Both a security issue here and an accuracy issue. And youre dealing with fisa, which is some of the most secret stuff this country does. By revealing information in a fisa, sources can figure out where the information is coming from, perhaps. We dont really know whats in this memo. So that is always a concern. Its funny because usually we hear if you reveal information, sources and methods are going to come up. Youre not really hearing that in this case. Youre hearing more about the accuracy of the information and the purpose of congress in doing this, of nunes in doing this, everyone certainly at the fbi feels this is political and to undermine them and to undermine parts of the department of justice and the russia investigation. Which is part of a Broader Campaign weve heard led by the president. Thanks very much. I want to go to White House Correspondent jeff zeleny. Jeff, you heard us talking there. This really pits the fbi with a director chosen by the president against the white house, openly defying the white house and jus us it departme tice department on this. It does indeed, jim. This is only the latest installment of whats been an extraordinary feud and fight between this white house and its Justice Department and indeed its fbi. We do know that Christopher Wray, the director of the fbi, was over here at the white house on monday making that argument directly to white house chief of staff john kelly, urging them not to release it. Clearly they are escalating that by releasing this statement. In terms of where things stand right now, we heard from white house chief of staff john kelly earlier this morning. He was talking in a radio interview that he says this is going to be released fairly soon. He said advisers and lawyers are, in his words, slicing and dicing it. We mow its a three and a half page memo and is likely to be released soon. The white house is not saying exactly when that would be. The white house is also not saying exactly if the president himself has seen or read this memo. We do know its only three and a half pages long. It has been over here since monday evening. So it seems difficult to believe that he would not have seen it by this point. But the white house is trying to at one hand say its going to be released, but on the other hand, you know, trying to show that Due Diligence is being done here by the lawyers. But we heard the president s own words last evening when he was leaving the state of the union address, when he was asked exactly by a republican member of congress if hell be releasing it. He said 100 . So we know the president s mind set on this. But i am told if it is released released, it will not come in any type of public setting here at the white house. It is a document from the house of representatives. It will be released on the hill from them, jim. Jeff, so i have to ask you here, lets look at the facts. The white house has claimed theyre going to go through the steps of a process here, careful process. Five days in the white house to review were not releasing anything that is inaccurate or misleading. The president said last night in effect the decisions already been made. How do you rectify reconcile, rather, those two statements . Its a great question, and i do not have an answer. The reality is theres a contradiction between what the president has said, you know, saying that 100 he will release this, and his advisers are trying to say, look, it is a process here. The reality here is, jim, we know that this is almost certainly to be released. We have heard advisers say that, you know, that definitely is the plan. The question is when and how. Also, if some parts of this would be redacted, if some parts of this would be modified in some respect. That is still an option here, we believe. But jim, the sense here is that the question is a matter of timing. Do they want to step on the message from the state of the union. The reality is this is hanging over washington. Again, this feud between the fbi, the house of representatives and the white house here is not going to go away. Its simply escalating here. We look for it to be released at some point. The question is when that will be. Jeff zeleny at the white house, thanks very much. Lets get some perspective now from a former fbi assistant director for the criminal investigative division. Chris, you listen to this now, and we know the fbi does not love the idea of getting into battles with the commander in chief. And yet, Christopher Wray, a new director of the fbi, chosen by this president , felt the need to do so. Why . Why do you think he would believe it was necessary to call out the white house on what it sees as an inaccurate portrayal of events . Well, chris, if you listen to his hearings, he said he would exercise independence. Hes been proving that since the day he took office as the fbi director. I think what chris is getting at is the principle and the precedent here theyre always Briefing Congress in closed session and classified settings on things that are very sensitive. If now congress decides to unilaterally release information that theyre briefing them on, then really its a breach of trust between the fbi and congress, not so much the fbi and the white house. We know the white house is probably going to release this information. I, like a lot of people, would like to see the information. On the other hand, i defer to chris wray and the agency itself and the doj as to whether that would, in fact, compromise sources and methods. You know, in shorthand, that means somebody could get killed. Youre going right to an issue here, which is also central to this. You have the accuracy question. You have the fbi saying this is misleading. Ive spoken to current and former intelligence officials who are concerned exactly about what youve brought up here, which is that youre revealing what is by design a secretive process, which gets at how targets are picked and surveilled for National Security issues here. Whats your degree of concern about lifting the veil, so to speak, on this process . Well, i personally have been involved in using fisa information in open court in criminal cases. Theres a process for that. And fisa information can get sanitized and released to the public. Its really all about the process here. Fisas are based on a mosaic of information, lots of different sources, corroborated, and like a criminal wiretap, the person thats putting forth the fisa application has to reveal all the facts they know at that time that are relevant. So as a member of the general public, id like to know, you know, if it was paid for by an opposition party, if there was information there. On the other hand, i defer to the agencies. Chris wray in particular, who has integrity and independence, and if they say, look, this will compromise sources and methods, you have to take them at their word. Albeit, theyre a little conflicted because the criticism is leveled at the fbi. However, you also have they report to the department of justice, and the Justice Department, as i understand it, is saying lets hold up here, this is going to compromise sources. I have to defer to them at this point. Lets talk about what you raised there. The essential republican argument here is that this is going to reveal that this whole thing started because of this famous dossier funded at times by democrats. I spoke, for instance, yesterday to the former director of National Intelligence, michael haydn, who like you has been involved in fisa warrants, the issuing of them. He made the point, listen, you do not ever seek or get granted a fisa warrant based on some one piece of outside information. Youve got to have independently collected intelligence to bolster that case, intercepted communications, et cetera. Say it was mentioned in the fisa application, this dossier, theres no way first of all, the fbi would request such a warrant or the judge would grant such a warrant based on one piece of information. Is that an accurate expression of how this is done based on your experience . It is. I did a lot of criminal work, spent some time doing counterterrorism work, but these work the same way as criminal wiretap applications. Its a composite of information from a multitude of sources. Some of these affidavits run into the hundreds of pages. Its not inconceivable that some information from the dossier went in there. I think in fairness, i think procedures would require that you would relate to the court that some of this where it derived from, what your source was, and let the court decide whether that tainted the information or not. I dont mean to confuse the issue here. As a member of the general public, id like to know how much of a role the dossier played. As a former member of the Intelligence Community, you have to defer to these wellestablished procedures that are in place. The fbi says thatll compromise sources. I think we have to take them at their word. Chris swecker, you have your own experience in the fbi. I appreciate you sharing it with us. I want to bring in our panel now. April, if i could begin with you, we know that the president wanted to bask, to some degree, in the glow of a successful state of the union speech last night, at least by his own measure and others. Depends on who you talk to. Theres some positive reviews. This is how many hours afterwards, the morning after, and this is his fbi director that he appointed who is openly defying the white house, is he not . Yes, but you have to remember and Everyone Wants to believe the president well, the republicans want top say the president is allowed to do what he wants, but there has been a line over the years with administrations and justice as well as the fbi. Theres no intermingling. Now there seems to be im going to control you, im going to do this. To leave this over your head like i have the power to thwart this and to thwart a possible investigation into possible obstruction of justice. If he does indeed fire, do whatever, or anything is moved around what is it, Musical Chairs weve been hearing about, so things can happen at the fbi. This just does not bode well. Whatever the success was last night, because when you poll, you look at the fact that the people who are watching the state of the union are basically people who support the president. All of this cloud leaves people wondering and the trust factor. Theres going to be a crisis of trust, a confidence crisis if theres any kind of impropriety or look of impropriety that happens. Part of this is an intentional campaign by the president , is it not, to attack the fbi on a number of fronts. Weve heard that going back to hes attacked the Intelligence Community, the department of justice, but hes gone after the very credibility of the bureau, individual senior officials in the bureau, its behavior, the fbi in tatters, et cetera. This memo, is it not, is part of that Broader Campaign. We know that the president s advisers believe that a fire storm over this nunes memo will help change the subject from an intensifying mueller probe. They know the risks. I think, jim, you pay as close attention to this as anyone. If you know the fbi director wray met at the white house to read the memo on sunday, hes likely been saying this since sunday. It took a Public Statement, because its being ignored by the white house, a process and place with expertise from all these people that are supposed to weigh in on this, take what doj and fbi says into consideration, and then make a presentation to the president has all been tossed away. He already made up his mind to release it. And said as much last night. 100 . And i was told last night that things change in the trump white house, that they were going to bask in the glow of the state of the union for two days and release it on friday. Chief kelly indicated its coming soon. For chris wray to have to come forward with a defiant what looks like a defiant statement means no one would listen to him sen since sunday. Katelyn, you cover the white house. Do you have any doubt that the white house will go ahead and release this, perhaps be swayed by a Public Comment like this . Well, the president has made it so clear that he wants this out. I mean, we saw him he erupted at officials on air force one when he was flying to switzerland when he found out that the doj had tried to block the release of this. So the president has made it very clear he wants it out there. I would be stunned if they do not release this memo after the president s attitude towards it. You heard from him last night saying 100 . It really goes to show that even a statement from his fbi director, who the president hand picked not that long ago to lead the fbi, saying this. It really goes to show also the president is not heeding the advice of not only his fbi director but also aides in the white house have said lets wait a few days before releasing this so it looks like we at least weighed it, mulled over it, thought about these concerns that the department of justice has made about this memo and the recklessness of releasing it. It clearly shows the president does not have any concerned about that whatsoever. This devotion to process seems to be belied by that comment last night. Listen, stand by. Well have a chance to talk about it more. Turning now to our other major breaking news story, that crash of a train carrying a large number of republican lawmakers, including members of the leadership. They were on their way to a republican retreat when their train collided with a garbage truck at a crossing. Theres at least one fatality in that truck, minor injuries for passengers on the train. Joining me now is one of those passengers, florida congressman aboard the train. Thanks very much for joining us. Were certainly happy you and your colleagues are safe. Tell us, if you can, what you saw and heard as this happened. Jim, appreciate you having us on. Yeah, everybody on the train seems to be fine. Some bumps and bruises. Were traveling along at a modest pace, i would say. I dont know how fast we were going. You heard a loud thud and a jolt of the train. It came to an immediate stop. We knew we hit something. You know, you always hear the worst. Theres a school bus or Something Like that. A truck pretty much got annihilated. Congressman yoho, i know youre in something of a rural part of virginia. Were having a little trouble with your signal. So were going to take a break. Were going to come right back to you. Meanwhile, theres another congressman who was on board that train with you. His name is john fasso, from new york. Congressman, can you hear me . Congressman, its jim sciutto with cnn. Just checking to see if you can hear me. All right. Were having a little trouble. That train in this accident this train carrying numerous members of congress, republican members of congress on their way to the retreat. Took place in a rural area of virginia. Having a little trouble getting those cell phone lines up. Were going to check those lines and be back right after this break with an update. And get u. Then i found aleve pm. Aleve pm is the only one to combine a safe sleep aid plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. Im back. Aleve pm for a better am. If yor crohns symptoms are holding you back, and your Current Treatment hasnt worked well enough, it may be time for a change. Ask your doctor about entyvio, the only biologic developed and approved just for uc and crohns. 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Thats right, jim. Were hearing from multiple sources that among the members of congress, their staff, and many families who were, in fact, traveling on that train from d. C. To West Virginia today, that there were no extensive injuries. Were hearing minor injuries. Some people describing bruises, small injuries. Many of them even saying likely, you know, potentially in the next few days people might have whiplash. Those sorts of things. But no serious injuries to people on the train, according to multiple sources. The White House Press secretary, sara sanders, has said that there is one fatality confirmed and at least one serious injury, unclear exactly who those people were. In talking to members of congress on the train, weve heard many of them say after the initial collision, that initial bang that their train had with that garbage truck on the tracks, the immediate need was for the people outside of the train. The immediate need for the extensive and serious injuries were those people in that garbage truck. Weve heard anecdotally from many members of congress, many of them who are Trained Medical doctors, really jump in and roll up their sleeves and help people. Certainly a scary incident. Now, of course, plans being reworked for how this retreat, this threeday republican retreat goes on. Were told it will continue on. Vice president pence, who was not on that train, was scheduled to speak there later today. He has said that he indeed intends to speak there. President trump will speak there tomorrow at that retreat in the green briar area in West Virginia. Certainly a very tragic and scary incident, one that many members of congress, their families and staff, are still trying to recover from. Jim . Sunlen, as you know, there are a number of doctors, medical doctors who are members of congress. They were aboard that train. Michael burgess, roger marshall, bill cassidy p. I understand they took to the aid of some of the injured in this crash, and they were performing cpr. Just incredible. Thats right. We are hearing at least one member, representative marshall, Trained Medical doctor, performed cpr. His office says that was on the train conductor. Were not exactly sure what the status of that train conductor is, although we know according to sources that everyone on the train seems to have minor injuries. So well get more information on that. But yes, senator flake, many others saying that those who are trained, have medical backgrounds, really jumped in to help treat people, administer potentially first aid. We saw that in the immediate aftermath of the shooting last summer that took place just outside of washington, d. C. Certainly this another tragic occurrence, a much different occurrence, but a tragic occurrence where those Trained Medical doctors, members of congress on the train, potentially some of their families traveling with them, of course, had to jump right in as well. Sunlen serfaty on capitol hill, thanks very much. Just a reminder, we are in touch with members of congress who are on that train. Just a little trouble getting the cell service down there to keep those lines open. But were going to continue to try that. Joining me now in the meantime is the former ntsb managing director. Peter, you have been involved in investigating a lot of crashes, whether air crashes or train crashes. This took place, as we often see, sadly, at a train crossing. A vehicle that was crossing the tracks there. What kinds of things will investigators be looking for in the immediate aftermath . Well, jim, youre right. This happens all too often in the united states. Once every three hours a train hits either a pedestrian or a vehicle on the train tracks. In this case, the investigators on their way to the scene, the first thing theyll be looking at is the frontend camera on the amtrak engine. That will probably tell the story. What you had, jim, was a special train running at probably an odd hour for this neck of the woods. You had a guarded crossing. The camera is going to tell whether this truck driver made the deadly mistake of trying to get around the crossing when it was already activated. And that is something that happens too often, frankly, does it not. You hear those stories often. We dont know. Its far too early to conclude what happened here, but that is something that you see all too often, is it not, people ignoring those crossings and trying to get across in advance of a train. Ive ridden on the front end of trains through rural virginia, north carolina, South Carolina, and ive seen it all too often. Engineers can tell you that it happens virtually every day. Somebody takes a risk. They see the train coming. They misjudge how fast its going. They have no idea how long its going to take to stop that train. And they take a chance. Im afraid well learn about this one very shortly. Yeah, and listen, if youre listening at home right now, the lesson there is dont even think about it. Peter goelz, thanks very much. Thanks, jim. More now on our other breaking news. The fbi issuing a public, defiant warning saying it has, quote, grave concerns about the accuracy of the republican memo that apparently attacks Law Enforcement agencies. The president said to be getting very close to releasing it. In fact, he says 100 . Stand by, well have more. If youve been diagnosed with cancer, searching for answers may feel overwhelming. So start your search with our teams of specialists at Cancer Treatment centers of america. The evolution of cancer care is here. Learn more at cancercenter. 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Theres more breaking news on capitol hill this hour. Its a businey day. Congressman trey gowdy says he will not seek reelection. The South Carolina republican published a lengthy statement online saying in part, quote, whatever skills i may have are better utilized in a courtroom than in congress, and i enjoy our Justice System more than our political system. My panel back with me here. A. B. , if i could begin with you. This is part of a string of republican retirements here. Ive lost track now, but its probably three dozen now or so. That always happens in a lot of cycles. But in this particular cycle, its been notable. Yes, its really a record going back many, many, many decades. So its disconcerting to the republican leadership, facing headwinds going into the midterms to lose anybody. Hes not in a swing seat, but hes sort of a leader in the republican party. Hes been a great spokesman on these issues. Republican voters know who he is. He led the benghazi investigation. Hes interestingly, because of what we talked about today, tried to straddle an interesting line. No question. During the obama administration, all over benghazi. In recent weeks, his statements a bit more on the fence. Hes made it clear he doesnt want to malign the entire doj or fbi. Hes tried to warn his colleagues that you can ask questions and be skeptical without being accusatory. Whats your read . Well, theres speculation in the twitterverse there might be an opening on the Fourth Circuit that hes interested in. He made it clear that he prefers the judicial landscape to the political arena. I dont blame him. He made it clear in a statement. So he might be looking for a judgeship. Is there anything information that the Trump Administration is considering him for a Court Appointment . Thats a powerful seat. That is a very powerful seat. He stood with the administration, but the administration we dont know, we never know what they do. A lot of times people are qualified and sometimes people are not. But one thing i will say, those who know trey gowdy very well and those who work with trey gowdy, both dem and republican, say he has higher aspirations. Those higher aspirations one day could wind up being 1600 pennsylvania avenue. Youre saying there are political ambitions in congress . So he may realize that right now to save himself for later on, for his aspirations, he may need to leave now and possibly move somewhere else and be appointed to a seat, but he wants to make sure hes clean for something else. He doesnt want to fight with this president , being a highranking republican that he is. I just want to say one thing too. Congressman Elijah Cummings has outlived darrell issa and trey gowdy. Not totally surprising he made this decision. He had expressed interest in becoming a judge. I think he filed for reelection at the deadline last time around and threw people off a little bit. I deont think its that surprising, but it is significant because its another republican whos not running and a prominent chairman at that. It does make a change. No question. Theres other political news. Theres a new poll from monmouth where the president s Approval Rating has ticked up to 42 . 50 disapproving. This is out of the 30s, where President Trump has wallowed, one might say, for most of the time since his inauguration. A. B. , why . Why do we think . I think its probably related to two things. I mean, they did pass tax reform by a christmas deadline after a year of failing to repeal and replace obamacare and fighting with each other. I know that the tax reform plan at least in many polls is viewed by a majority of americans negatively. The polling on tax reform was really bad in december. Its actually rising. Its becoming more popular. And either people are responding to their own personal data or theyre responding to these stories of corporations feeling a boost and sharing it with their workers. And that is a positive for him. Its a legislative success, and its an economic success. Katelyn, i wonder, because youre still seeing this wave of republican departures and part of that is based on a calculation its going to be a tough year in 2018. It always is. A midterm year always is. It certainly was for obama in 2010. But as this number rises, if it continues to, does that better improve does that improve the chances of republicans in the midterms . It certainly raises some questions. The president has created a lot of problems for people who are running for reelection. At times, hes sparred with some of those people who would typically need a president s support. But the question now and in 2018 will be does the president s support actually help pull people over the line who are in those hotly contested primaries. Does his support help them . So far weve seen it not really help in alabama with Luther Strange and roy moore. With those races, it hasnt helped them at all. It is a question for the white house. It will be a question of what they can accomplish for the rest of his term in office, depending on who they have over on the hill. April, we know this president likes to celebrate good news, or his perception of good news. Do you sense in the white house an increasing confidence or optimism . Oh, most definitely. This president will definitely tout my numbers are great. We saw that not long ago on twitter when his numbers were moving. The negative piece was that the vast majority still do not approve of you. You have the vast majority disapproving. This president takes any positive step up and says this is a building block. But the question is, how long will he be able to build . Lets see what happens in the next couple days when it comes to issues of having to deal with the budget or cr and having to deal with daca again. Those sensitive issues are what brings it back down, when you deal with the issues of the race or did he say this or did he say that or did he tweet this or tweet that. Right now, this is a moment. But lets what happens. And to add to that, the president insists to his allies and friends all the time that Approval Rating it not his actual Approval Rating. He insists to people its much higher than what it is. Yeah, hates polls, except for the polls he likes, right. Katelyn, a. B. , april, thanks very much. More on our other breaking news. The fbi issuing a stern public warning tre warning directly to the white house saying it has grave concerns about the accuracy of the republican memo that attacks Law Enforcement agencies. This puts the fbi director Christopher Wray at odds with the man who selected him, the president. Stand by. Brought in high protein to help get us moving. And help you feel more strength and energy in just two weeks ill take that. Yeeeeeah ensure high protein. With 16 grams of protein and 4 grams of sugar. Ensure. Always be you. Welcome pacback. More now on our breaking news. The fbi sounding an alarm over a secret republican memo accusing the fbi of abusing its surveillance powers. The fbi issued a defiant statement saying, quote, the fbi was provided a limited opportunity to review this memo the day before the committee voted to release it. As expressed during our initial review, we have grave concerns about material omissions of fact that fundamentally impact the memos accuracy. Here with me now is a former director of the cia, james woolsey. He also served as an adviser during President Trumps campaign. Thanks for joining us, director. This is a rare moment where you have an fbi director here, appointed by this president. This is not a holdover. Christopher wray openly telling the president and republican leadership, one, that this is inaccurate, and two, that it would be a mistake to release it. Would it be a mistake for the president to ignore that warning . I dont know. It depends on whats in the memo and how they proceed with respect to redacting and the like. If theres one thing in it that might endanger a source and method, then redacting that one thing could resolve the issue. I thought the cia before was the most creative with respect to tangles it could get in, in the government. But boy, the fbi is really running a rival operation. The argument you seem to be hearing from the fbi here, and ive heard similar from intelligence officials, is that this memo does not show the full picture, it doesnt show the underlying intelligence that would have been behind the applications for these fisa memos to surveil, in this case, a former member of the Trump Administration, carter page. Youve looked a the a lot of intelligence as director of the cia. I imagine i know that fisa came after your day, but you know how these kinds of requests are made. Why does that argument make sense, do you think . That you would need to see the full picture to understand why this application was made. Well, its true of just about any intelligence document and really a lot of other documents too. You see things better if youve got the full picture. I think what looks to me is whats occurring is a conflict that could probably only get resolved by some kind of agreed upon redaction. They have to get together and say, look, i want 99 of this cleared, but i could give up on this part. Theres ways to work these things out. It really is remarkable, though, the degree to which the disagreement is broken out into public. There are arguments about classified materials all the time and what youre going to put out, what youre not going to put out. Whats different about this is its done in front of everybody. Did you ever see in your own experience such open, public fighting and disagreement between 1600 pennsylvania and the intelligence and Law Enforcement agencies . Because keep in mind, this is not the first time youve had disagreements like this. Youve had it with the Justice Department. Youve had it with the intelligence agencies. This is up there in the top quadrant of disagreements, but i want to point out that madison set things up this way, with checks and balances. Were always going to be arguing with one another. What we dont have is coups in the united states. Thats good. We have arguments. Some of them are pretty intense, some of them are pretty angry. But weve been going now for well over two centuries arguing and having our government function and thats good. What about the quality of this argument here, though . From the president s side, often the attacks are not substantive. They dont say, i disagree on this issue of policy or this piece of intelligence, whether its classified or not, but hes firing broadsides at the fbi here. The fbis in tatters, going after the integrity, in effect, of senior fbi officials, similar to what we heard attacks at the intelligence agencies, comparing them to nazi germany with charges of surveillance. Is that quality of attack, in your view, acceptable for a president . Whats new here is not that people are arguing and arguing intensively. Its that theyre arguing intensively publicly because of the technology, in terms of twitter in this case. Its just as if, for example, these days and times the russians are interfering all over the place with elections in europe, here, all over the world. Theyve been doing it since the 1930s. Whats new is not that the russians are interfering. Whats new is theyre doing it in front of everybody because of cyber and technology. So they dont have to get a spy in to influence something. They can do it from moscow sitting with their headsets on in front of a computer. So i think whats new is that technology has opened up a lot of things to public disagreement that we really are not used to seeing. Its been occurring, but most of the time, Something Like it anyway, its always been private. Final question, is it a mistake for a sitting president to pick a fight with his intelligence and Law Enforcement agencies . Well, its not customary. Again, if it were being done privately and there was a leak here and a leak there, it probably would not be something that people spent a lot of time focusing on. Theyre arguing, so what. But to have it be in front of everybody is new. Thats hard to deal with. So far theyre dealing with it, but its not easy. Director woolsey, thank you for taking the time. Great to be with you. More on our other breaking news story. We now know that two lawmakers were actually injured when that train carrying them to a gop retreat collided with a garbage truck. Were going to have more on those injuries with more live coverage coming right up. Welcome back. More on our breaking news. Fbi openly defined the white house and the president on the gps memo, alleging abuse of surveillance by the fbi. Here with me now, assistant attorney general. This is a public smack between the fbi and the white house. I might just add again, this fbi director, Christopher Wray was not a holdover, he was appointed by the president. I imagine they would not go forward with a warning like this unless its very serious. He is saying this memo is inaccurate and misleading. He is. And the fbi hasnt had a chance to review it and do an actual declassification review. The underlying applications would have been fbi information and potentially other Intelligence Community information. And so normally the way, if Congress Wants to release something publicly, the way this would work is they would go through a process. The fbi director, department of justice, perhaps the director of National Intelligence would have a voice as to whether National Security would be harmed by the release of this information. By the house taking the extraordinary vote that they did and then the president saying its going to be released has bypassed that entire process. Chris wray as fbi director has an obligation to protect National Security information. That is part of the duty that he has in his role. So, it really is quite astounding, this early into his tenure that he had to take this step, break from the Justice Department perhaps, break from the white house and go public in terms of saying how damaging this could be. Two issues here. The fbi statement goes right to the accuracy, saying that this is fundamentally inaccurate. But you also raise an issue, and ive heard the same from current and former intelligence officials, by exposing this process of how the fbi and the u. S. Intelligence Community Picks targets to be is your va you are exposing a process. Classified document, we dont know whether its secret or top secret, meaning its disclosure publicly without proper review could cause grave or serious damage to u. S. National security. Thats the standard. And so thats part of the standard. And so he has a responsibility to do this and fbi would be concerned about a misrepresentation, particularly about their appearance before the fisa court. Any allegations they were not truthful or forthcome something a serious, professional responsibility and integrity issue for them. For sure. To be clear, this is part of a Broader Campaign. Youre hearing from republicans and the president himself against the entire fbi on a number of fronts but the Mueller Investigation as well. Do you see this as part of an effort to undermient Mueller Investigation . It absolutely is. Its hard to see this in any other way other than National Security bureaucracy. The Mueller Investigation was originally an fbi investigation. Its only under special counsel mueller now because the president fired director comey. Christopher wray as fbi director still would have knowledge as whats going on. Clearly, unfortunately, theres a concerted political effort to damage their credibility, both as an institution and in terms of the russian investigation. Final question, the president said yes, i would be delighted to but ill listen to my lawyers. His lawyers seem to say and by cnns own reporting that the special counsel hasnt met the standard for the president to sit down. For our viewers and myself as well, is the president required to sit down with special counsel by law . There are arguments his lawyers are making to perhaps delay his being interview bid the special counsels office. 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