The one at west 19th and college. Do we think that has a role in this at all . Still under investigation. What can you say about the injuries . What type of injuries . Let me speak a little more about that. Sure. Multiple injuries related to lacerations or cuts, most likely as the chief said from the stab wounds from a butcher knife and a number of people that had orthopedic and other soft tissuerepresented injuries from being hit by the car initially. Its our understanding from the other hospitals and our knowledge here none of the individuals appear to have lifethreatening injury at this time . Would have have to have surgery . One actually two . Two have completed surgery at this point mainly for orthopedic issues. Are they student . Well release more information with the university at a later time. Talk how you called for staff to come to the hospital. Talk about that. We saw them arriving. Top sleeves rolled up, ready to go. So we have a process thats actually universitywide. When the buckeye alert goes out, we jump into action. The active shooter protocol went out across campus and code yellow or disaster drill. We immediately made phone calls to key individuals, both the emergency department, our surgeons, nurses, respiratory therapists and people descend. We train for this, work with the other hospitals in the city and the central ohio trauma system to train for exactly these types of events but i cant tell you how proud i am to work here at the university and to see my colleagues come together in a moment that all of us would really hate to have ever happen on any campus much less our own, but it was great to see the response and im glad people were not any further injured than they were. Dr. , drake, if you could talk a little about the mood on campus now, and just come back from thanksgiving break. A tough time. We could see it on the faces of students here. Yes. This is obviously a tragic situation, and something that as andy said earlier we prepare for every year. Our students, our faculty and staff are all trained because weve seen things like this happen around the country, and the best we could do is be prepared and respond appropriately. I didnt want to say i want to say we we were so grateful police were on the scene and injuries were not more severe. All right. Unfortunately weve lost our connection with Ohio State University. I think weve just reconnected. Heres the president of Ohio State University, Michael Drake. Regardless of circumstances that were here for them and we want to do everything we can to help them have a full and complete recovery as quickly as possible. Just let them know we care about them as people as well as patients. What about addressing students, when campus reopens . Theyll be safe when they come back . We all do what we can to be as safe as we can, protocols in place and all live with fear things like this can happen to us. By being diligent and focusing we believe we can be as safe as possible. Again, with our safety personnel and officers, were pleased this was no more serious than it could have been. What about the next steps . What do you plan to do about classes . Did you cancel classes . We cancelled classes today. This was quite disruptive. Even though the situation was resolved rapidly, we wanted to give police a chance to begin their investigation and held people in place until we felt the campus was entirely safe and secure. Police said that was the case and now have disrupted the schedule half a day. Emotionally frightening, so we wanted to say this is a good day to take a step back from classes. Sort of get other footing and then open again tomorrow. Can somebody speak to the announcement to run, hide, fight, was that a normal alert . We have a protocol we rehearse what one should do when you engage an active shooter. I heard there were shots heard on campus and the protocol would be put in place, do as much as possible to protect people. To not edge gauge, find a place to be safer and hide in place why professionals arrive to neutralize the situation. The first thing, first order of the business then to make the campus safer and secure, and that happened as you heard within minutes. Then we investigated and have information letting people know its safe to resume normal or most normal activities and allows that to go, that information to be shared. We do that through text messaging. It spreads rapidly throughout the campus. Can you repeat your nyp . Sorry. Michael drake. And run, hide, fight, an ongoing Training Program . So when you see that reference in an alert message, that ring as bell with members of the Campus Community that have been through the training. Talk about a opportunity hiding. Something musting getting through as the medical professionals talked to that. A girl hiding . The Public Safety team has done a lot of training across the community and again why they use those key words in an alert, remeemd folks of their options for any violent intruder, whether someone with a gun or a knife like today. Those same principles apply. Those are kind of key words we use to remind people of their training. And yes . What words did you have to say for the community . Obviously, this is a city made up of great neighborhoods. Were in one of our greatest neighborhoods. And so were here to show our support and solidarity. With president draiske and the entire community, lift up our thoughts and prayers to the victims, a senseless tragedy and grateful for our First Responders that were on the scene and helped to ensure that the situation did not escalate dramatically. Im here with chief jacobs and chief oconnor. Sending a clear message to the university and to the entire community that the city of columbus will devote whatever resources are necessary and work closely with president drake and his team to make sure that everyone feels safe in this neighborhood and throughout our great city. Grateful, again, for dr. Thomas and dr. Regin and they mazing fo the amazing folks at the other hospitals treating victims here today and i want everyone in columbus to continue to lift up in our thoughts and prayers of the victims and their families. Dr. Drake, talk to us about you know, what will you say to the parents of students here . I have two collegeaged students and now how difficult it is being away from them. Talk to the parents and families of what they can expect and what youre doing to keep their students safe and also talk to their emotional and social needs . Again, repeating what the mayor said, pleased no one was injured more seriously than they were and we live in an open society, we all know, where these kinds of tramp ragedies a times seems too twreefrequent a basis. We do everything we can to make the campus safe, multiple trainings making the campus safer and are pleased how they work and how people responded to this tragedy today. And well continue to work with your students, our faculty and staff, to make this the safest place we can make it and thats our work on a daily basis. Ill say the cooperation we have with the city, with police, with fire, makes our job that much easier, but we live in an unstable world, unfortunately and have to continue to do our best to protects ourselves against these sorts of circumstances. Can you talk about the tools and methods used to try to assist osu police in finding out a motive . Certainly. Every aspect of this investigation will be mulled over. We have federal partners, state partners and local to try to identify any potential motive behind this attack. Obviously with the purposeful intense noticed driving on the sidewalk, were going to look at it from the potential that it was planned with regard to multiple injuries, and we will continue to work with all of those agencies to try to determine what was being talked about, whether it was on a device, online, whatever else. Well continue to look at that. Can you tell us, what youve seen oh far, looks like it could potentially be a terrorist act . We have to consider that it is. That possibility. You know, we had an attack earlier this year with a man with a knife causing multiple injuries. So were always aware that thats the potential, and were going to continue to look at that. Thats why our federal partners are here and helping. Can you talk about the shooting rumor, the active shooting, initial reports there was a shooter and not someone with a knife . Well, with the amount of people that were here on campus, it was very chaotic, and im proud of the students and the faculty and the staff at osu to do exactly what they needed to do and that was to be, get some place safe. We know that people did not try to be a part of that scene. They tried to get away from it, which is the right thing to do. Im very, very pleased with the reaction of everybody. We should not ever take for granted the best thing to do is protect yourself. So i do believe that the response was appropriate, and couldnt have asked for more, i think. No indication of a gun right now . Theres no indication of a firearm used by that particular suspect at this point in time, but we havent searched the vehicle yet. Thats to be done. We dont know what were find inside the vehicle. Any indication of multiple suspects at all . No indication, four sur sure. Reports are that are being checked out but we have a lot of witnesses to interview with regard to the assault and well find out in anyone else was involved. And step us more Police Presence here on campus and throughout the city . That will be up to osu pd to decide about campus. We dont have any information telling us theres a conspiracy going on. We understand there were at least two people taken out of the parking garage in hand covers. Can you address who they were . Hand covers. Bystanders . Suspects . We believe people fled the xeerch and might have gone to their vehicles and, therefore, might have hunkered down when they realized the police were going to search that building. Pretty obvious we were going to do a search. Until we know what theyre motives and intentions are were going to treat them as potential suspects. Are they still considered potential suspects . Not that i know of. What more can you tell us about the suspect deceased now . I dont have enough information to disclose that. And someone was hiding and later had come to the hospital. Does a that mean theres ten injured in total . Or is that person included in the nine . Included in the nine. Thank you, doctor. Yes. Whos lead investigator . Columbus police. Columbus Police Investigating the assault and the officerinvolved shooting, very very, as the chief said, might have heard the pride in his voice were very fortunate that that officer was onscene quickly and able to deal with the situation so fast. We would like to tell students to, please, contact their loved ones, and the same with factuality and staff. They know theyre staff but fami safe you but family and friends do not. Reach out and exact loved ones letting them another theyre okay would be of great assistance to us. Have you been able to reach the victims families letting them know what happened . I believe most of the victims have probably had a chance to do so. Would you say so . I cant guarantee all have, but most of the victims were awake and talking when they were here and i expect had some kind of contact. Can any of you speak os to when the roads around campus, specifically 315 will see normal traffic flow . Opened that up a while ago. What about here on campus . The only Thing Holding now is klemp and wood druruff and 19thn that way. Lane should be open soon if not already. One more question. Chief, maybe for you, did the officer warn the suss spektr they were about to shoot . Any warning . As far as i know he engaged the suspect and kmoornds were not followed and the officer did what he had to do to stop the threat. Other than the attacker, was anybody shot . No one. Another update later. Thank you very much. There you have the latest. Very disturbing information coming in from Ohio State University. Nine people were injured. One critical. The suspect driving a car up on a sidewalk simply ramming into people. The suspect took out a butchers knife and started slashing individuals. That suspect was shot and killed by a local Law Enforcement official. We want to welcome viewers here in the United States and around the world. Im wolf blitzer reporting. New information, i want to bring in our panel of experts. Our cnn producer, digging into this. Joining us. Art roderick, cnn Law Enforcement analyst and former assistant director for the Marshals Office and director tom fuentes and deborah feyerick, covering this from new york. Youre getting information, we heard local police at this News Conference say this was done on purpose. Someone deliberately took a vehicle, drove up to a crowded sidewalk, started ramming into people. The vehicle then stopped. The individual gout out with a butchers knife, its been described and started slashing people. This was done on purpose. We have to consider the local Law Enforcement authorities saying this could have been a terrorist act. What are you hearing . Wolf, i can certainly tell you the fbi and other Law Enforcement people are right now treating it as if it was a terrorist attack. Absent other information, absent any other indications. Certainly the way in which this attack was done, the vehicle used to strike pedestrians, people on the sidewalk, and then the attacker coming out of the car with a knife, all are indicators some kind of a terrorist attack. Whether iiesinspired or inspired by another group, thats something that needs to be figured out. They have not ruled that it is a terrorist attack, have not ruled that out as well rc, and certai there are a lot of indicators saying this is likely going to become a terrorist attack and theyve identified the man they believe is the attacker. Have not shiared his name with me. Sources i talked to said theyre not going through phones and trying to figure out perhaps who was he communicating with . And they believe he is from the area right now. From the ohio area. The ohio area. Not exactly where specifically but certainly within that area. And certainly its raising a lot of concerns. We havent had this kind of attack in quite a while, and the fbi will likely wind up taking the lead on this, if this is a terrorist attack. If it is, because there is a history of terrorists elsewhere around the world. Taking a vehicle, ramming into a crowd, and then using a knife, if you will, to start killing individuals. Whether in israel or elsewhere in the region. Theres a long history of that isis, protect it, al qaeda and arabian peninsula, if you dont have a gun, get a knife. You dont have a knife, use a car. Youre familiar with all of this . Yes. And certainly calls for that the last year, year and a half, two years since these attacks have been going on. So, yes. You know, this sort of isis has been telling followers trying to motivate people, inspire people to get out there, do these kinds of attacks. We dont need a complicated kind of attack where you set bombs. Just go out and do whatever you can to sort of attack people. And this right now certainly looks that way. But theyre still running down leads and trying to figure out exactly what inspired this guy. Check in with deborah feyerick. Looking into all of this. What are you hearing, deb . Were hearing a quick thinking of an officer who mitigated the injuries that could have occurred. Were told Campus Police chief basically saying really within less than a minute after this attacker drove his car on to the sidewalk hitting several pedestrians, a Police Officer did respond, ordered him to, engaged verbal commands allegedly to drop the weapon and when that didnt work he opened fire basically killing the attacker. And it was really that timing, because you had somebody onscene quickly able to engage the attacker and neutralize the situation. We are told there are nine injured. Two underwent surgery. Two of them apparently who, four with stab wounds. Four who were injured by the vehicle and another woman walked in after it was all over. Again, sort of took cover and then went to the hospital, is what were being told. The Columbus Police chief says they are working closely, you heard it was said, with the fbi determining who this person is, identify the motive, identify whether he was in contact with anybody and going through all of the electronics to see werthhe there were links, looking at social media tying him to a terrorist group. All of that is under investigation. You mentioned, wolf, this had all the earmarks some some of the attacks weve seen over the past couple of months. Wolf . And our senior Law Enforcement analyst and former fbi director, sounds, gives appearance and local Law Enforcement suggesting to can havent a terrorist act done on purpose. True, wolf. Why theyre going to withhold the identity of this person until they get a chance to search his residence, go through his computers, his phones, any social media postings, interview neighbors, friends, colleagues, whoever. To try to determine if this person actually said or posted a motive prior to this. Which would indicate possibly whether hes inspired by isis or al qaeda or whether hes, you know, mentally deranged. Or specifically directed to go ahead and commit an act. They dont know yet. Presumably thats why theyre not releasing the name of this individual, because they want to get as much information as they possibly can . Get to his residence before the media descends on it and neighbors and family go to it. They want a chance for a head start and do much of the investigation before it becomes more public. Quickly, your thoughts. What were learning now, because this is clearly very disturbing. Immediately when this went down you think of all possible options. Motive behind this particular shooting, or this stabbing, excuse me. And initially, you know, we had heard about gunshots. Now we hear its a vehicle and a knife, which immediately you have to jump and look at terrorism inspired or directed . More were following now. Stand by. Getting information on a disturbing breaking news were following from Ohio State University. Could have been a terror attack there today. We dont know for sure. Local Law Enforcement saying we have to consider it, consider that it could have been a terrorist act, that was done on purpose. Were watching think and will share more of the breaking news right after this. St wonders. Selfies, cat videos and winking emojis. Speaking of tech wonders, with the geico app you can get roadside assistance, digital id cards. Or even file a claim. Do that. Yeah, yeah that should work. Its not happening. Just try again. Uh, i think i found your problem. Thanks. Hmm. The awardwinning geico app. Download it today. 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The official said, i think that we have to consider that it is. It was clearly done on purpose, the official added. Youre getting more information on this. Nine people, i correct that, nine people knew injured, one critical . Yes. Right now what we know is that the suspect, the attacker, the fbi is running his name down. They know who he is, and they believe hes from the area. Now theyre sort of sorting through his history. Theres nothing to indicate he was on anyones radar before this attack. But certainly theyre going back and looking through documents, looking through database to see if he comes up anywhere. A good lead, know who he is and certainly knowing who he is raised concerns for them and now its a matter speaking to his family and friends and sorting out what motivated him. It appears by now, based on sort of style of this attack, that this should possibly be some kind of terrorist act. An act of terror. An act of terror that this man did. And so now its just a question of just trying to figure out what motivated him and who, perhaps, was he inspired by somebody . Or was he communicating with someone overseas who told him to go ahead and do this . Or simply some sort of lone wolf, if you will, who may have decided this was a good time to do Something Like this. Tell us why they wont immediately release the name . If they have the name, why wouldnt they the suspect obviously is dead, but why wouldnt they want to quickly release the name and identity and let people find out who did this . Well, theyre obviously digging into this background. The last thing they want a the press and public to come around and start, i know that specific individual, i know his mother, family members. Trying to keep that part of it clean to dig into family members, associates. Think have his vehicle. Sure theyre scrubbing his vehicle forensically figuring whats in the car and also get toe social media websites, get the computer out of his apartment, home and scrub that device down and also a cell phone, also he probably had on him at the time he was shot. If it is an act of terror, the fbi immediately would take the lead and get assistance of ohio state officials, local Law Enforcement as well . The assistant of everybody. Right. They would take the lead as the lead agency to investigate terrorism. A joint effort by all local police and Campus Police. You have also a campus officer involved shooting which would explain the columbus or either columbus or ohio state patrol taking the lead investigating that part of the shooting. What the officer did, an officer did kill somebody. That part of it going. As far as whether or not this turns into a terrorist investigation or at this point considering that, yes. The fbi would work it and everybody would provide assistance. A reminder to viewers of the history using a vehicle to go ahead and kill people. It happened in nice, for example, in france. A vehicle that drove up into that crowd. Remind us what some of these terrorist organizations have said online about committing acts of terror with a vehicle and with a knife, a butchers knife, if you will . From the beginning, isis, back in 2014, was putting out, broadcast worldwide, 40,000 tweets a day, messages a day, saying to their followers, if you dont know how to operate a firearm or make an explosive, use a car, run people down. Use a knife. Use a machete, a hammer, use a hatchet. All and weve had those kind of attacks all over the world since that time. One of them one of the postings specifically said, in the summertime in washington, d. C. , people at restaurants, out on the side waushg, drive up on the sidewalk, run them down. Youll probably kill someone important. We have that threat information going back now more than two years. A very Disturbing Development if, in fact, as we just heard from officials in columbus, ohio, i think we have to consider that it is a terrorist attack. The minute they say Something Like that, it not only kicks in whats going on there in columbus, but it kicks in nationwide and internationally. Im sure the joint Terrorism Task force is pumping out information to all of the other joint Terrorism Task forces in the country to try and come up with information on this particular individual, whether he is just from the columbus or the ohio area or from outside and came in to commit this crime. Also indicate which Prosecutors Office they used to get search warrants, subpoenas, any other legal process, whether or not going to a District Attorney in ohio or another area covering that columbus ohio, area, and pursuing this investigation, could be worldwide. Whats critical tom, and art, is that if, in fact, this cyd w individual was acting alone, a terrorist motivation or others involved . What theyre going to try to figure out . Well, they may not be able to figure it out. We know now jihadists are using dark applications that cant be tracked, cant be traceed by Law Enforcement. Fbi director james comey talked about that on many occasions they cant always track what theyre saying to each other, or their communications with each other when they use these encrypted dark apps. A whole new feature. Department of homeland security, secretary of homeland security. Head of the joint Terrorism Task all said this worries them the most. These dark apps, if you will. Hold on a moment. The president of Ohio State UniversityMichael Drake is joining us right now. Joining us on the phone. President drake, thank you so much for joining us, and were really, really sorry about what happened, but what can you tell us . Whats the latest information your authorities are sharing with you, president drake, about the motive of this individual . Well, thanks. First we dont really know anything about the motive or the individual, as youve been reporting, 9 53 this morning a vehicle drove across the curb and into pedestrians who were on the sidewalk. So it seems a business purposeful, not hitting people from a crosswalk, literally was driving on to a sidewalk and one of our officers encountered the suspect within a minute. After he drove into the crowe, i should say, got out of the car with a sharp instrument and began to stab or cut at people, and one of our officers immediately arrived on the scene and the suspect failed to respond to commands and he was then shot and deceased on the premises within a minute of this beginning. We sent out a campus alert then, probably two minutes after that, for people to shelter in place, and other Police Officers arrived and were very pleased Police Officers arrived from the Columbus City police from the fbi, from a variety of agencies to come and secure the situation and then to look throughout the campus to make sure there was no other threat. We have nine people who were injured. Transported to local area hospitals. Im actually at one of the hospitals now and in a few minutes will go up and see those people who are here. Were pleased, as terrible as this incident was, as tragic it it was, pleased no lifethreatening injurieinjurier than than the assailant, of course, that was killed. So again, polileased we were ab to have First Responders there within a minute and our thoughts and prayers go out to those injured and ill see some of those later this afternoon, as i said. President drake, at the News Conference you attended a few minutes ago we heard a question is to one of the local Law Enforcement authorities saying could this potentially be a terrorist attack . The quote, i think we have to consider that it is that type of possibility. A man earlier with a man way knife causing multiple injuries. What can you tell us about has . Was that on the campus of Ohio University as well . No. The person speaking, the Columbus City police chief and she was speaking about columbus. I know about as much as you do, wolf. We see these things happening in multiple places around the world, and we cant tell exactly about the motivation and other things, and the investigation, until it proceeds further but would not rule out this was done purposefully or just with a political motivation. Those things are things we cant rule out, of course, until we learn more information, and ill say we have an active this was just a few hours ago. Theres an active investigation going on at this time. Well all look forward to getting as many details a as we can and quickly as we can. I will say, like my colleagues on campus around the country do, we do tabletop exercises and prepare drills. We always hope and pray nothing like this will happen but are pleased with our First Respond is and students and faculty and staffs well. All did what we wished them to do and were able to have a terrible situation not be any worse because of that effort. One final question. I know you have to run, dr. Drake. Columbus police said this was done on purpose a few times. They havent released the name, identity of the person shot and killed by local Law Enforcement. The have you been told this persons name . Told anything about this individual . No. I know its a male. But i dont know anymore about him than that. We really focused on once the situation was neutralized, our focus was really on those injured. Ill learn more about those things and i think theyll be an update later this afternoon and police will give more information about who this person is, but the most thing we really are most concerned about was making sure the campus was safer and the condition of those injured. Well learn more about the investigation as it proceeds. Was the individual, the suspect, a student at Ohio State University . You know, i dont know i dont know his identity at this time. So thats really wolf, hopeful that will come out later this afternoon. So well share that with you. Thank you so much, and good luck over there, dr. Michael drake, president of Ohio State University. Well stay in close touch with you and appreciate it very much. Thank you very much. Were going to take a quick break. Staying on top of the breaking news. Potentially a terror attack right at Ohio State University. More information, right after this. sfx park rides, music and crowd sounds oooh when your pain reliever stops working, your whole day stops. sighs sadly try this. Only aleve can stop pain for 12 hours. Plus, aleve is recommended by more doctors than any other brand for minor arthritis pain. Aleve. Live whole. Not part. Once again, following breaking news out of Ohio University. A car drove up to a crowd, drove into a crowd, came oust car stabbing and slashing people. Was this an acts of terror . Columbus police saying, i think that it is. No information on the suss speshgsuss suspect shot and killed by local police. Other important political news to were following here in the United States. Trump tower in new york city, right now once again the center of political activity for the trump Transition Team. Youre looking at live pictures from the lobby inside trump tower. A meeting with David Petraeus will take police, a split between mitt romney and Rudy Giuliani for secretary of state. Outside trump tower we have more on todays very important meetings. Phil mattingly, whats the latest on the visit later today by general David Petraeus . Reporter a new interest to the secretary of state race, wolf. Weve seen over the last 27 h72 hours or so, not more press than who will become secretary of state . David petraeus, a type of public official any cabinet would want any president elect would want a part of their cabinet, up to a point. Track back to when David Petraeus was cia director, retired fourstar general commanding soldiers in iran, afghanistan, considered somebody with a political future potentially even president of the United States, until he was charged with a misdemeanor for passing classified information to his biographer, levied a fine and stepped back working for a private equity firm, until now. He has not shown up to trump tower yet but were told he is very much in the running for secretary of state adding a wild wildward to what is all right a chaotic race. And what about mitt romney . Being invitesed back for a second round of meetings with the president elect . Reporter exactly right. Mitt romney flew into new york and drove into the city to meet with the president elect. Were not used to seeing this inside a process. All of this is public right now and mostly because of Kellyanne Conway. A close adviser to the Transition Team and to the president elect making clear she want no part of the 2012 republican nominee, mitt romney. Pravtly shes telling the president elect the same thing but publicly wants everybody to know what shes hearing from trump saturdupporters. Others have said the same thing, trump supporters. People point to Vice President elect mike pence who broached this possibility. A back and forth. Mitt romney coming to trump tower tomorrow. Despite advisers being against his pick as potential secretary of state he is very much still in the running. Wolf . All right. Stand by, phil. Staying on top of this story. The president elect of the United States, donald trump, said to also be irritated with one of his top aides, Kellyanne ConwaysPublic Campaign against mitt romneys potential nomination of secretary of state. Well follow that, and also following the breaking news out of Ohio State University. Where potentially there may have been a terror attack earlier in the day. New information on that as welling. But it doesnt cover everything. Only about 80 of your part b medical expenses. The rest is up to you. So consider an aarp Medicare Supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. Like all standardized Medicare Supplement insurance plans, they could save you in outofpocket medical costs. Call today to request a free decision guide. 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His identity has not yet been released. The Columbus Police chief spoke about the possibility of this being an act of terror. I think we have to consider that it is that possibility. You know, we had an attack earlier this year with a man with a knife causing multiple injuries. So, were always aware that thats the potential. Were going to continue to look at that. Thats why our federal partners are here helping. The reason theyre concerned is isis, other terror groups have said online, social media, you dont have a gun, get a knife. You dont have a knife, get a vehicle. Go ahead and kill infidels. Thats what isis and other terror groups have said. Were following this very closely. Well update you as we get other information. The other big story were following right now in the United States. President elect Trump Holding a series of private meetings today as he builds his cabinet. Hes also dealing with a very public battle within his inner circle. Some trump aides are split over whether mitt romney or Rudy Giuliani is a better choice for secretary of state. Lets bring in our panel. Gloria borger, jeff zeleny and cnn political analyst and usa today columnist kirstin powers is with us as well. This is extraordinary, the fight going on publicly between various trump aides over whether or not mitt romney should be considered as a possible secretary of state. It seems like a reality tv show, doesnt it, in some way, because the fighting is public. Whats surprising to me, im trying to report this out right now, is that Kellyanne Conway, whos been very vocal in her sense that mitt romney was betrayed donald trump and should not be rewarded for that betrayal with this kind of an appointment. Shes also very close to mike pence. And in romney world theres a sense, i know this from romney people, that pence is a natural supporter of mitt romney for that job. Theyre finding it sprigs she would be out there to verbally and vocally, on television, on twitter, everywhere else. The fight is clearly within the administration is going to be played out in public and behind closed doors. Hes invited romney for a second round of talks tomorrow at trump tower. That surprises a lot of romney people as well. Theyre not quite sure what to make of this. They think mitt romney has been somewhat disrespected here. Some even used the word potentially being humiliated here. Now, but mitt romney, you have to view it from his point of view. Hes a public servant. He believes he can do something good here. But i do think the time is running short for the president elect to make a decision. I dont know how long you can allow this to fester. Festering it is, from conservatives and others saying romney is not acceptable. If trump would tap him as secretary of state, he would have a lot of explaining to do to people. This meeting tomorrow, very interesting. I dont remember a time weve gone through a transition where weve seen a public fight like this over a president ial secretary of state. This would have been like if David Axelrod was getting on twitter and arguing over someone president Clinton Hillary clinton. Yeah, that would be a perfect example. Its clear donald trump has moved on but the Campaign Aides havent. Theyre Still Holding grudges against people that werent on their side. The question is, what is what is donald trump doing here . Is he just humiliating mitt romney . Is he playing him like a cat with a mouse or is he serious about this . When you look at the fact hes adding general petraeus into the mix. Hes continuing to expand the list of people hes looking at and leaving people out there to twist in the wind. The fact you have Kellyanne Conway out there, i dont know what to make of it. I really dont. Is this somehow thats been sanctioned by trump . Usually we know if hes unhappy, he goes on twitter and lets us know. He doesnt seem to be that unhappy although its been reported hes furious with her. The other development, donald trump tweeting over the weekend, in addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, i won the popular vote. If you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally, millions of people who voted theres no proof for that. That is a falsehood and picked up from websites that are completely unreliable. And if that is, indeed, the case, that there were millions of people not counted, then the president elect ought to challenge his own election and say, lets stop this and make sure every vote gets counted because thats what we do in this country. Its kind of headscratching. Listen to josh earnest just said about that. The president elects team for commentary on his tweets, i think what i can say is an objective fact is theres been no evidence produced to substantiate a claim like that. But for a reaction or explanation, id refer you to the president elects team. It certainly is an explosive comment. There is one recount that will be happening in wisconsin later this week. The head of the Wisconsin Election Commission said, we are going to do this at the request of the Green Party Candidate but he chastised donald trump for talking about elections like this. He said youre talking down elections here. A lot were surprised he said that. Thats it for me. Ill be back at 5 00 p. M. Eastern. In the situation room. Coming, the latest on the attack at Ohio State University right after this very quick break. Im done. Done with figuring it out for myself. Im done with surprises. Im done with complicated. If youre on medicare and. Ready to be done with complicated. Turn to unitedhealthcare and our Medicare Advantage plans. Like aarp medicarecomplete. These plans can combine your hospital and doctor coverage, with Prescription Drug coverage and more, all in one plan for a low, or even no, monthly premium. So call now. 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What we know right now is that ten people were injured. One listed in critical condition. And the campus swiftly went into lockdown