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In all, nine ships, ten military planes and a civilian jet took part in todays search. And a malaysian government source tells cnn, the jetliners turning off the course is being considered a criminal act. Either by one of the pilots or someone else on board. So for weeks, we were told the last words from the crew were, quote, all right, good night. Now weve learned the words were actually, quote, good night malaysian 370. The release of the transcript is raising many questions, and its also providing a few answers. Lets bring in our aviation and government regulation correspondent, rene marsh. Walk us through some of the details weve learned from this transcript, which has just been released. Right. You know what, wolf, we have learned that communications between the cockpit and air Traffic Control was pretty normal up until it disappeared. So this is the transcript here. Just a little bit over two pages long. And were going to pull from it. We know that at 12 40, according to this transcript here, the tower instructs 370, it is clear for takeoff from runway 32l, then says good night. Then the cockpit repeats the runway, 32r, cleared for takeoff, mass 370. Thank you, bye. Then in the minutes that follow, nothing out of the ordinary. At 1 19 a. M. , the last time anyone would hear from the plane, as it was leaving Malaysian Air space, heading to Vietnamese Air space, the tower says, malaysia, 370, contact ho chi minh 120. 9, good night. And then someone in the cockpit says good night, malaysian 370. The only thing that was missing, the pilot didnt repeat the frequency and the air Traffic Control center in vietnam. They were heading to. Not major. But it does raise some questions. Was that an omission made to alert someone something was wrong . As one former 777 pilot brought up, is a possibility. Or were they just being sloppy . Its really hard to say without hearing the tapes to listen for stress in the voice, hear any other background noises that may have been telling. But what we can tell you, wolf, this transcript alone doesnt tell us much, other than the communications between the cockpit and the ground, pretty routine. What about the question of whether it was the pilot or the co pilot who was doing the talking . What do investigators think . Because in the transcript, it doesnt say who was it actually communicating with ground control. Right. And at this point, it is unclear to us whether it was a co pilot or the pilot. We know in Previous Press conferences, they said it was the co pilot. Now, they seem to be backing off that a bit. So right now, it is really unclear. But we can tell you this. Usually, if the captain is flying, its the co pilot that does the radio transmission, and vice versa, wolf. It all sounds pretty routine. Ive read the transcript. They havent released the actual audiotape. They have just released the transcript. Is there anything specific investigators are focusing on . Well, they will likely be listening to the voices. Thats what we really want to hear, is the recordings. Was it the same voice on the ground versus the voice heard once the plane was in the air . Do they hear any stress in the voice . Are there any other telling sounds in the background that may indicate something was going wrong . Was it indeed the pilot or was it the co pilot who was speaking . Those are all things they still need to get to the bottom of, if they havent already, wolf. Are they explaining why theyre not releasing that audiotape . Well, you know, wolf, they keep on with the same line, which is this investigation is a private investigation. They did release this transcript to the Family Members. Not holding my breath right now that we, meaning the media, will get ahold of those audiotapes, though. Rene marsh, thanks very much. What is does the release of the transcript say about the investigation into the planes disappearance . Lets bring in our panel of experts, joining us, mark weise, cnn aviation analyst, former 777 pilot for american airlines. Peter goelz is a cnn aviation analyst and former ntsb managing director. Tom fuentes is our cnn Law Enforcement analyst, former assistant director of the fbi. Mark, does anything jump out at you . You have read this transcript. Youre a seasoned pilot. What does it say to you, if anything . Well, as rene was saying, what really does stand out to me, and whether its consequential or inconsequential at this point, were really not sure. But that last transmission, where he just said he did not repeat the next sector he was talking to, which was ho chi minh center, and he did not repeat the frequency. Thats standard operating procedure. Whether he just was a little lax or sloppy at that, whether he was talking under duress or whether it was not one of the pilots, thats what we dont know. It would be if you were investigating, you would actually peter, want to hear the voices and see if there is any ambient sound, anything along those lines, wouldnt you . Absolutely. You want to hear whether, you know, there were any clicks or whether the seats were moving, whether you could hear the other pilot. Or whether you could hear whether the door to the main cabin was open. Were you picking up any sounds from first class . Certainly, you would want to analyze the original tape as closely as possible. So why wont they release that . You have worked with the malaysians, worked with interpoll, you have worked at the fbi. Whats the down side from their perspective or releasing the conversation between the cockpit and air Traffic Controllers . I think part of it is its not strictly a police matter. Its in the hands of the aviation authorities and the defense ministry, and that makes it much different in this situation. But youre right. Clearing up the mystery of which person is speaking is fairly easy. Its a small airline. The air Traffic Controllers, Airline Management and other pilots would certainly recognize the voices of these pilots and be able to distinguish one from another or hear if there was particular stress or something unusual. If it was the co pilot, there might be a little extra stress, because hes doing his first ride as, you know, basically coming out of the training program. Hes trying to probably impress the captain, who is, you know, renowned in the airline. So, you know, if hes stressful, it would be understandable. He at the end of the transcript, the last words, mark, good night malaysian 370, at 1 19 29, what, two minutes after that, either by coincidence or deliberately, all of a sudden the plane makes a sharp left turn. That sounds as it was leaving Malaysian Air space, about to enter Vietnamese Air space, makes a sharp turn like that, unexpected. How do you explain that, other than what theres a lot of suspicion of something sinister going on . Well, you know, again, with keeping everything on the table, you know, whether there was some type of mechanical or catastrophic event in the cockpit that forced that aircraft off course, to change heading, to apparently want to go to the nearest land at the nearest suitable airport. But there was no distress call. The acars was off. The transponders were off. That still leads me to believe that was human intervention. Again, because the waypoints, the points, the flight path for that aircraft was put in and agreed to on the ground and in the flight management system. That was human intervention. And the suspicion has been, as you know, peter, in this no mans land before they enter Vietnamese Air Traffic Controllers after they leave Malaysian Air Traffic Controllers, if youre going to do something, that might be the time to do it. Sure. Sloppiness at the ho chi minh center. Although ho chi minh did radio another malaysian plane 10 or 12 minutes after the last transmission and say, hey, have you heard from malaysian 370. And said, well, i reached them, but there was a little garble, i couldnt understand. Im interested in that transmission very much so. Because that was ten minutes after. Youre agreeing. Absolutely. Because, you know, this plane has been turned over to ho chi minh air Traffic Control. And the controllers at kl would have radioed ahead or called on the phone. Kuala lumpur, kl. Text messages, saying this plane is leaving our air space, coming into your air space. When it doesnt come, they try to check with another airline from the same company, from Malaysian Airlines, saying, you know, can you raise your pilot. They try, they hear something garbled. At that point, you have kuala lumpur officials and ho chi minh officials saying, neither of us have any idea what happened to this airplane. We have lost coverage. Weve lost the signal. Were not in radio contact. You would think at that point all the bells and whistles go off. Yeah. In the whole seems to be a lot of incompetence on that part of the investigation. We dont know. We dont know what happened. But theyve got a lot more information they should be releasing. All right. Well have you back. We have viewers questions, as well. A lot of good questions coming in. Well get back to the search for flight 370 in a few moments. First, theres a developing story out of brussels happening right now. Nato is taking an extraordinary step cutting off all practical cooperation with russia. Thats both civilian and military alliances. Its in response to russias actions in ukraine and the deployment of Russian Troops near the border. Lets go to our pentagon correspondent, barbara starr. Barbara, the u. S. And European Union had already cut off some ties with russia. But this seems to be a powerful, much more dramatic step. Reporter wolf, this is the 28member nations of nato, including the United States, taking that step, fundamentally sending a message like you have not seen to moscow, since the fall of the soviet union. Ending all practical cooperation with the russians today. There will be some ambassadorial level talks. But that will be it. And they are doing this because of the ukraine situation and natos belief, along with the u. S. , there are still 40,000 Russian Troops on ukraines eastern border. What will all of this mean . Look, some of it may be symbolic. But it also sends a very clear message. Russia and nato, along with the u. S. , cooperate in Nuclear Ballistic missile testing by the russians. Thats going to be an issue. That notification, that very precise cooperation, has to continue. Russian bombers often fly over Northern Europe and along the alaska coastline. Thats going to be an issue. Its going to have to continue. Nato supplies. In and out of afghanistan. Often transit through russian territory air space and land. That is going to be an issue. U. S. Helicopters sails of Russian Helicopters to the afghan army. So undoing these ties is very significant. And what nato is really doing along with the u. S. Today is saying we stand with eastern europe. There are also a number of moves to shore up the east european allies. Believe it or not, we are talking about trying to provide military support to countries like poland, the baltics, romania, all the countries that broke away from the Old Soviet Union in the face of this crisis, looking to nato, looking to washington for more help. Wolf . What about something practical, like u. S. Russian cooperation in the elimination, the destruction of syrias chemical weapons . There was extensive cooperation. How does that fit into this . Reporter i think thats a great question. Because, of course, for the u. S. , the cooperation with russia on the tess trucks of syrias chemical weapons, the cooperation on trying to get russia to get assad out of power, the russian cooperation on to try and get iran to give up its nuclear program. You know, this these are the fundamental issues at stake, where the u. S. And moscow, everyone, will tell you, still really need to cooperate. But unless they can get some resolution on the ukraine situation, which is fundamentally getting Vladimir Putin to agree to pull back and assure the world once and for all he has no designs to have his forces march into ukraine, until they can do that, many officials will tell you, they just cant make progress on the other. And wolf, i think its really fair to say, this situation really right now rewrites the map of europe and the relationship with moscow and the east european allies in a way that it has not since the fall of the soviet union. Were going to check with nasa to see how this impacts u. S. Russian cooperation with space because astronauts have been relying on the russians to get them there, get them back in the aftermath of the cancellation of the u. S. Space shuttle. Thanks very much. A very important story developing out of nato. Well continue to monitor that. Just ahead, the best hope of finding flight 370 may rest with this australian ship, if it can get to the search area in time. Well have a live report from perth, australia. Thats coming up. And later, the Health Care Deadline has now come and gone. Did the white house yoef come computer problems to log a win . Were taking a closer look. You have time to shop for Car Insurance today . Yeah. I heard about progressives name your price tool . I guess you can tell them how much you want to pay and it gives you a range of options to choose from. Huh . Im looking at it right now. Oh, yeah . Yeah. Whats the. Guest room situation . The name your price tool, making the world a little more progressive. agent i understand. dad weve never sold a house before. agent ill walk you guys through every step. dad so if we sell, do you think we can swing it . agent i have the numbers right here and based on the comps that ive found, the timing is perfect. Theres a lot of buyers for a house like yours. dad thats good to know. mom im so excited. Hightech equipment from the United States will soon be in position to hunt for the data recorder from flight 370. But only days remain before the battery s inside the socalled black box run out of power and its audible beacon falls silent. The man coordinating the search efforts in australia sounded this very sobering note. Of i have to say, in my experience, and i have got a lot of experience in search and rescue over the years, this search and recovery operation is probably the most challenging one i have ever seen. Our paula newton is in perth, australia, watching the story unfold. This is a very daunting search in every possible way, paula. How soon before the ship, the ocean shield will arrive in that search area to get that pinger locater down there and see what happens . Reporter it should be there by thursday, wolf. But heres the thing. In speaking to the commander there, u. S. Navy captain mark matthews, he is saying, look, even when theyre prepositioned there, they really cant use that equipment, wolf. The search zone has to be reduced to something about 1,000 times size smaller than the size it is right now. I mean, think about that. They still havent gotten to those modeling areas, the satellite imagery, any kind of discounting of the area theyre already looking at. Theyre not there yet, to be able to reduce the size. In fact, he told me the ocean shield would do what every other ship is doing, looking for debris. In the meantime, the hope is within the next 48 to 72 hours when the ocean shield is on the scene, theyll be able to reduce it somewhat so they can get that equipment out there looking for the black boxes. Wolf . As you know, paula, the search for flight 370 could be modified, even curtailed, if no debris in the coming days is found. Heres what the man coordinating the search efforts in australia said. But inevitably, i think if we dont find wreckage on the surface, we are eventually going to have to probably in consultation with everybody who has a stake in this, review what we do next. So paula, its been almost, what, 26 days, still nothing. Do you have a sense how much longer they will keep looking, what theyll do, if, in the coming few days they find nothing . Reporter well, when i was speaking to chief houston earlier today, wolf, were not talking about days so much as we are weeks and months. And what he is saying is, this kind of tasking of ships, of airplanes, cant go on indefinitely. It will just be fruitless. They might have to try another strategy. And you might see the intensity coming down a notch. He was clearly, though, wolf, preparing the families for the fact that theyre going to give this a good shot over the next few weeks, perhaps months. But then after that, theyre really going to take a have to take a good, hard look at the evidence that theyve gathered so far and what they do next to try and find that plane. Paula newton, reporting from perth, australia. Thank you. Well have much more coverage of the mystery of flight 370. Thats coming up. Also, open enrollment is over. So did the white house reach the target goal on health care . Were taking a closer look at how it ended and if the president has something to crow about. 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Todays hearing comes a day after gm recalled another 1. 3 million vehicles for an unrelated flaw affecting power steering. The deadline for Health Insurance open enrollment has come, but wasnt gone quite yet. A Senior Administration official is on target to hit 7 million sign ups. Chief political analyst Gloria Borger is here with us right now. Gloria, what, the president is going to speak at 4 15 from the white house rose garden later today. Is this sort of the beginning of a victory lap . I think when you talk to people at the white house, they dont want to talk about it as a victory lap or crowing and saying we told you so. Because this rollout has been so plagued with problems. What i think youre going to hear the president say is that we have reached the goal we have set originally, despite all of the problems we have had coming into this. And that he knows that its been a rocky road. But now theyre on the path to making this Affordable Care act start to work for the american people. Im presuming thats what the president will say. People had trouble enrolling because of lastminute computer glitches, they have another 15 days to go ahead and do it. A lot of slipped deadlines. Problems at the state computer. Theyll have a month or so. Still time for that 7 million number, assuming they have reached that 7 million, to go even higher. Wolf, there are a lot of Unanswered Questions here. And you dont want to rain on their parade. Really, honestly, nobody anticipated they would get to this 7 million point. I dont even think folks at the white house anticipated it, given the problems. The initial problems. But we still dont know the answers to some basic questions, which is how many previously uninsured people have enrolled. How many people who have enrolled have paid. And very important question here, wolf, what is the risk pool going to look like. How many of these people are younger, healthier people. At this point, the number 27 . But that needs to that needs to get higher. So these are questions that still remain, and that need to be answered. The largest of which, though, is, wolf, how much will peoples premiums go up in the next four to five months. Because while republicans may be quieted now for a little bit, although i doubt it, but at least the plan is up and running, the big question is, what kind of increases are people going to see in their insurance premiums, and that will happen right at the time you sort of get in the heat of the midterm elections. And if premiums go up substantially, that would give republicans something to run on. I suspect in the last few days a lot of younger people, knowing younger people as you and i know them, theyre probably the lastminute people to sign up. That percentage this also doesnt include what some estimate to be another 4. 5 million medicaid recipients. In addition to this also going to get their health care. All right. Thanks very much, gloria. President obama will make that statement on the Affordable Care act at 4 15 p. M. Eastern in the rose garden over at the white house. Well have live coverage for all of our viewers. Malaysian officials have now released the full transcript of communication between flight 370 and air Traffic Controllers. Ill ask a pilot with 30 years of flying experience, what he thinks of those conversations. [ male announcer ] when fixed income experts. Work with equity experts. Who work with regional experts. Who work with Portfolio Management experts, thats when expertise happens. Mfs. Because there is no expertise without collaboration. Welcome back. Im wolf blitzer, reporting from washington. The search for Malaysia Airlines flight 370, now entering day 26 and theres still no sign of the missing plane. Heres the latest developments. Malaysias transport Ministry Today released the transcript of the final communication between the plane and the air Traffic Controllers that provides no clues about the planes disappearance. But it does highlight the criticism over malaysias handling of this investigation. Ten aircraft, nine ships, covered 46,000 square miles of the southern indian ocean today. Search coordinators have not announced any any significant finds. And the head of australias new joint Agency Coordination center warns the search could drag on, in his words, for a very long time. So is there anything revealing in those transcripts . Lets bring in kit darby, retired United Airlines pilot who flew for 30 years, also the president of kit darby aviation consulting. Kit, thanks very much for coming in. So youve read the transcript. To me, the average layperson, it sounds pretty routine. Did you see anything at all unusual in those conversations . No, wolf. I have to say. And its not textbook, but its perfectly normal. I think the most remarkable thing is that it is so normal prior to someone or something ending all communications. Is it bother you that the final words were not necessarily completely standard . It was a little deviation of what the standard final words would be, when youre leaving the Malaysian Air space going into sVietnamese Air space . No, sir. The readback of the clearance would have been one thing that would have been missing. But late at night, you know, this is shortcuts are taken like this all of the time. I dont think there was any lapse until there was nothing, and then, of course, after that, who knows. Because the final words were good night, malaysian 370. In the protocol, what would have been the correct way of leaving Malaysian Air space and entering if you were doing it, entering Vietnamese Air space . Well, on the final goodbye to malaysia, he would have repeated the frequency given to him. And as he would have checked in, checked in with his altitude and he would have been acknowledged and he would be on his way. Is it important to release the actual audiotapes so we can hear the conversation . Well, im sure every bit of real information, and there is so little real information, could be reassuring to those searching for every tidbit, certainly the survivors here are desperate for actual information. But i dont believe it will change the outcome in any way. What does it say to you . And ive asked this question frequently, but im anxious to get your thoughts. That two minutes after the final good night when the pilot or co pilot theyre not saying who said it, good night malaysian 370, two minutes after that, as they left Malaysian Air space, entering Vietnamese Air space, all of a sudden the plane makes the sharp left turn, goes off its course, supposed to go towards beijing, but then makes a left turn, goes over the peninsula towards the indian ocean. What does that say to you, that that started two minutes after the good night . To me, when i look at it as a pilot, i see an aircraft turning around. Several reasons for that. If it was anything attacking the cockpit, anything that was a threat to the airplane. The pilot would want to get the airplane on the ground right away, would turn back toward malaysia, would descend. We now have some evidence that that descent occurred, and we certainly have the turn. So a normal pilot reaction to any kind of threat or, of course, it could be an action of someone either in the cockpit or outside the cockpit takingel kro of the plane and making a nefarious act. Malaysian sources are telling cnn, theyre deeply suspecting some sort of criminal act to make that plane go off its regular route, towards beijing. Are you ready to make that conclusion . No, sir. To me, you know, to turn back and descend would be a normal pilot reaction to an emergency. We have no evidence that there was an emergency. Or a threat. We really cant choose here. If it was a threat, then obviously it could be a crime. It could simply be the pilot at this point, we cant tell the difference between hero and terrorist. Well, what lets talk a little bit about the notion that if, in fact, there was an emergency, some mechanical problem, wouldnt there have been a way to at least communicate with ground control, with air Traffic Controllers, mayday, mayday, weve got a big problem here . There are many ways to communicate. On the acars, several different radios, theres many ways to communicate. But ill tell you. The old of a ate, navigate and communicate. If the pilot has got his hands full, the last thing hes going to do is communicate. Hes going to get it under control and then hes going to communicate. And there is also the possibility of small errors operating the intercom panel, you know, relatively inexperienced pilot a what could be a life threatening situation. Small mistakes could be made that would limit the initial communication. But certainly over the long term, over the life of this flight, there would be no justification for no communication. Kit darby, thanks very much for joining us. Thank you. Theres much more ahead on the search for flight 370, including questions about the operation itself, whether a lack of communication delayed the discovery of the right search zone. Thats coming up. Marge you know, theres a more enjoyable way to get your fiber. Try phillips fiber good gummies. Theyre delicious, and a good source of fiber to help support regularity. Wife mmmm husband these are good marge the tasty side of fiber. From phillips. Humans. We are beautifully imperfect creatures living in an imperfect world. Thats why Liberty Mutual insurance has your back, offering exclusive products like optional better car replacement, where if your car is totaled, we give you the money to buy one a model year newer. Call. 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The wall street journal today reporting it was a lack of coordination between the teams that actually led them to search that wrong area, presumably the wrong area, of the southern indian ocean. And that first initial big search. About 1,500 miles southwest of perth. The journalists citing people familiar with the matter saying that to determine the planes path, one team was calculating the speed and the fuel consumption rate of the plane based on radar, and the planes past performance. While another team worked separately, using pretty much just satellite data, and was only after the information from both those teams was merged, that they actually shifted the search area, 700 miles to the northeast, where the search area is right now. But they wasted several precious days in the other area, because simply they didnt coordinate the information between the two teams. And that is, of course, a criticism of the way the malaysians are handling information, disseminating information. We have tried to get response from the joint Coordination Center in australia, tried to get response from the malaysians. No Immediate Response to that. But the malaysian transportation minister has said, look, we have done the best we could with the information weve gotten. That this is kind of an evolving process. They have defended their handling of this. But this is a kind of damning report on their coordination or lack thereof. Getting these teams, these investigative teams to actually share the information, cross reference and come up with the best data. Australians are now leading the investigation, the search investigation, right . You know, it would seem that. Theyre clearly taking the lead from perth, in that joint Coordination Center, they have just set up, by the way, three weeks in. It is australian vessels and planes out there really in force more than any other nations resources. You get the impression the australians are leading this, but the malaysians are part of it, and the malaysians have to be part of it, of course. But again, we have seen these criticisms all along, wolf, in the three weeks threeplus weeks we have been into this of how the malaysians are handling this. This is another point of criticism and were trying to get some response. All right, brian, thanks very much. Were also here to answer your questions about the search for flight 370. Send us your questions to twitter. Use the hash tag 370qs. Experts will offer responses. Thats coming up next. Before larry instantly transferred money from his bank of america savings account to his merrill edge retirement account. Before he opened his first hot chocolate stand calling winter an underserved season. And before he quit his friends leafraking business for not offering a 401k. Larry knew the importance of preparing for retirement. 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Mark, heres a question from you. This is from paul, a pilot. Isnt it true that lots of information can be developed from the recording . I have detected alarms, engine speed and dialogue in cases. Yes. You can. Absolutely get a lot of the information from the recordings. We just need to have those recordings. And if there is tension in the voices, you can maybe discern that, as well. You can tell the stress level sometimes. As was brought out earlier, this was the first flight for the first officer with a very senior captain, so he may have been a little more stressed. But really would depend on how stressed he would have been. Because you could compare those audiotapes with previous flights they both had to see if there is any change in their voice. If you want to go that way. Peter, adam tweets, can the s. A. T. Go to original position to recreate ping scenario with current flights malaysia to beijing, establishing a reference . Well, i think it can go to the the satellite can go to the original position. It can retrace its path. But it cant retrace the path of the aircraft. Because it did make that sharp left turn. Thats right. For whatever reason. Tom, chadwell asks, how long before the mh370 search returns to the previous area, and when will inmarsat release ping data for independent review . I dont know the answer to either one of those. Inmarsat, of course, is providing the information to the malaysians and the results of their analysis. As far as the search areas, one other thing about the search area is that unlike a crash on land, you have an area thats moving. And even if you search one day and everything is clear, it doesnt mean that debris doesnt drift in another day and you have to go back to where youve already searched once. So, the idea of how many years this is going to take to search the ocean on the surface, anyway, theyre going to have to go back and research. Could take forever. Peter. When a boeing 777 crashes into the ocean, does it create seismic data . Wouldnt that tell where it crashed . Well, it certainly creates a sound and a noise. It does not create seismic data. In twa flight 800, there were listening devices that did pick up the sound of the aircraft hitting the water. But these devices were relatively shallow water, and picked up the sound. In this case, unlikely. Jake writes this, mark, ill ask you to go on this one. What changes will be implemented for future air travels technology. Because a bunch of changes should be coming forward. Ive said publicly i think they need some sort of international or president ial commission to learn from the lessons of malaysian flight 370 to make sure whatever happened doesnt happen again. Jake, you know, the situation is this. Ntsb and all the other investigating agencies will come up with a probable cause. Now its going to be up to the governments to have pressure put upon them by the traveling public, by the airline organizations, by aviation organizations to make something happen. We know that technology exists. To prevent this type of prolonged agony from continuing on in the future. And i think wolf is absolutely right. Peter, i think two changes should go forward as quickly as possible. Making it impossible to turn off the transponder in elevation. That would be relatively easy change. And the other one is livestream the flight data and voice recorders so even if the plane is lost and you lose those black box, youll still have that information. Questions raised about Live Streaming in terms of the data pipe and whether this would overload the satellites, but those questions can really be addressed now. And you can do it if the plane leaves into an unusual attitude or violates its flight plan. Theres a number of ways you can address that. Theres no reason not to have those two changes almost immediately. I think they should look at putting a video camera in the cockpit, too, but i know pilots dont like that. Well continue this tomorrow as we always do. Ill have much more coverage of the mystery of flight 370. Thats coming up. Also, a spy and a political pawn. Discussing the fate of jonathan j. Pollard. What would his release mean to the Peace Process . Well take a closer look. They work fast on heart burn and taste awesome. These are good. Told ya im feeling better already. Alkaseltzer fruit chews. Enjoy the relief add vanishing deductible from nationwide insurance and get 100 off for every year of safe driving. We put members first. Join the nation. Nationwide is on your side im taking off, but, uh, dont worry. Im gonna leave the tv on for you. And if anything happens, dont forget about the new xfinity my account app. You can troubleshoot technical issues here. 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Pollard an american civilian Government Employee working for Naval Intelligence was convicted of passing u. S. Military secrets to israel. He was sentenced to life in prison back in 1987. Pollards status was likely part of the discussion between the secretary of state john kerry and the israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu when they met earlier today. Kerry will be back in israel tomorrow. Joining me now, middle east analyst now with the Wilson International center here in washington. You just wrote a tough piece, very strong piece for time magazine. You cant trade pollard for peace. Why not . Its logic. Its compelling logic. Four u. S. President s. Ronald reagan, george h. W. Bush, bill clinton twice, and george w. Bush twice, when faced with israeli entreaties declined to release pollard. Clinton came close at the wide river summit in october of 1998. But neither on security grounds nor was the quo ever worth the quid. So the question you have to ask yourself, why would barack obama and john kerry consider doing something that four president s wouldnt do . I guess its partly to keep the Peace Process with the palestinians going right now. Because the israelis are being asked to release dozens, if not hundreds of palestinian prisoners. Some who have been convicted for terrorism, murder, other crimes. The israelis are ready to do that. And so whats the big deal if they release pollard, who served almost 30 years . The big deal is this, it seems to me, that releasing pollard isnt going to answer the mail with respect to what ails the Peace Process. What ails the Peace Process is not the absence of prisoner releases, and its certainly not Jonathan Pollard. Its fundamental mistrust between netanyahu and abbas. Were going to find ourselves three, four, five months from now faced with the same predicament. It seems to me, its actually pretty compelling, that if you cant get something consequential for pollard, why trade him . Trade him for time. If you told me were getting the fix to jerusalem borders, were getting a framework agreement, id be right there breaking open the champagne. If the president wants to let pollard go, let him release pollard on humanitarian grounds. Served long enough, hes ill, let him do that. But dont conflate Jonathan Pollards apples to Peace Processs oranges and undermine the morale of the Peace Process. If this makes it easier for Prime Minister netanyahu to make the kinds of concessions the palestinians want, the u. S. Want, for domestic political reasons, because as you know pollard is a big issue over there in israel, a lot of israelis think he was betrayed by the Israeli Government itself. If this makes it easier for netanyahu to make those kinds of concessions, whether settlements or jerusalem or whatever, wouldnt that be worth it from the u. S. Perspective . If the release of Jonathan Pollard would induce the Prime Minister of israel to fundamentally change positions on jerusalem borders, security and refugees socalled final status issues. Well, absolutely. Wolf, it wont. And you remember in the fall of 2010, the administration, in order to secure a twomonth extension of the settlements freeze, wouldnt etch give the israelis f35s and a lot of other military equipment for a twomonth extension. This, wolf, is a tactic in search of a stratstrategy. Pollard is like a fallen soldier to them. They abandoned him. As you know, you wrote the book on it. They abandoned him. Their asking is not the problem. The issue is why are we acquiescing, and to buy time for a process that is fundamentally impaired. Its not a done deal yet. It sure isnt. Well see what happens. I remember the y river talks. But george tenant said he would resign. And we got the deal without pollard. Coming up, ill be back 5 00 p. M. Eastern, a special twohour edition of the situation room. Newsroom with Brooke Baldwin starts right now. Thank you, wolf blitzer. Great to be with you here on this tuesday. Im Brooke Baldwin. This is cnns special live coverage of two major stories unfolding right now. First, as wolf has been reporting here, time is running out on the search for flight 370. Sources in the malaysian government are now calling that dramatic left turn their words, a criminal act. We will tell you why. Also, any moment now, on capitol hill, these are live pictures inside this house subcommittee room. Families who believe their loved ones were killed because General Motors took years to announce a recall, are about to hear from the companys ceo. And that is where we begin this hour here in washington, in this room here