In 2009, South Carolina governor mark sanford was a Republican Rock Star his reputation as a Budget Slashing Deficit Hawk family man had the gop betting on him to beat obama in 2012 until he became a missing person. The search for sanford through his office into chaos and turned up a secret love affair and a bizarre set of lies that coined the phrase to hike the Appalachian Trail but it also revealed something deeper how even the most tightly controlled political persona can mask the messy, imperfect reality of a human being and counterintuitively, when the world was crashing down around him, bearing at all might have been the savviest political move of mark sanford career its monday night. Do you know where your governor is . Thats what the citizens have. South carolina are wondering where in the world is our governor of Mystery Tonight in South Carolina . The states governor, mark sanford disappeared for days. Governor alert. The search for mark sanford in june 2009, South Carolina governor mark sanford became a missing person news began to go route in South Carolina, getting the papers like no one knows where the governor is. The South Carolina governor is missing. Where is he . Is he dead somewhere in a ditch . But each day that tick by, the mystery grew. Many in South Carolina, i dont know where he is, not even his wife, just so strange this wellknown father of four young boys wasnt home for fathers day. And more and more people started asking the head ana today is local paper says sanford awol whos in charge. It was please bear of duty. Imagine if there was a Mass Shooting or hurricane or anything. I think all of us are concerned. Were worried about where he might be speculation was rampant. Some people thought he was dead. A fringe view thought hed been abducted by aliens it was only after hed been gone for nearly a week and sanford staff finally offered an explanation of where he was his staff said he was hiking the Appalachian Trail tonight, we find out this email coming through just a few minutes ago, the governors actually hiking the Appalachian Trail. The governor is said to be, quote, clear in his head, somewhere along the Appalachian Trail that stretches from georgia to the main, the governor is hiking the Appalachian Trail why would that be such a big secret reporter with the State Newspaper had gotten a tip that mark sanford never went anywhere near at the Appalachian Trail that goes nowhere near argentina, which is actually where he had been. What could compel a sitting governor to up and lead his state all the way to argentina without any kind of notice at all . The answer could only come from mark sanford himself and the bottom line is this. I ive been unfaithful from ally. Hi developed a relationship with a dear, dear friend. Turned out he was a man in love is cover is now blown. Mark sanford was not after all, hiking by himself on the Appalachian Trail. Hiking the Appalachian Trail . Which then instantly entered the lexicon as a euphemism for an affair was hiking on the Appalachian Trail, which is a trail that starts in maine and in an argentines womans it was all over the late night shows. It was every monologue, whats that lipstick i was hiking the appalachian. It was just such a huge contribution to the english language so the guy had an affair when was really sloppy about covering it up. Hes hardly the first politician to do that. But there was something about this man dropping off the grid to see his secret International Lover truly shocked people. Myself included full disclosure. I was friendly with mark and ginny sanford. I first met them more than 20 years ago when i was covering myself carolina primary my now wife and i watched the super bowl at the Governors Mansion in 2000 for mark going awol, Reading Poetry in the bible while on a week long solo hike that frankly seemed totally believable. So when folks begins speculating about cd possibilities, i wrongly wrote it off as the worst kind of sensationalist journalists and when it was proven true, i felt don i felt duped for naive lee believing that i ever knew mark sanford, the person when i really only knew mark sanford the politician. And i wasnt the only one right there with me caught between image and reality. Was sanfords closest aide, his former chief of staff, Scott English thank you so much for sitting down with us. You worked for mark sanford from 96 to 2015, is that yes. I have my impression upon which was that he was a nice, affable guy. He issued a proclamation for our wedding, which i do not have hanging up in my house anymore. But i mean, my point is i knew him and i liked him and jenny and marshall and bohbot and blake, and landon what did you think of him . I love and respect this guy. I put in a lot of effort with this guy. Okay. I missed a lot of mike childrens life for this guy. Wishes, by the way, is why ive never done an interview about this ever in my life. And until today, but i could just never imagine him he had no game. I mean, he just didnt and when someone threw out to me that maybe he had a mistress, i just laughed and said theres no way this guy has got a mistress. You and i both thinking that it was absolutely Appalachian Trail. What goes is good. I mean, it maybe feel better. Im like, yeah, that makes sense. Hes a weirdo maybe you think were being dramatic or exaggerating. How could we be so shocked at a politician having an affair . But you got to understand mark sanford had one of the most convincing political personas in the game. And this was the guy we thought we knew Time Magazine named you one of the five most boring governors in america that staying what you learn in politics is if youre going to be some folks that dont like us, some folks that love us. And the real key is are we staying true to what we believe in what, what, what we promised to voters in the first place and then you can live with that and sort of leave it alone with the other 49 because youre going to please everybody. You are incredibly boring i was i was actually there when that was filled. It was like, yeah, youre boring, you are like manila envelope stapled to a brown wall. Boring . Yeah. Thats completely accurate, which is again why we were just like completely shocked that it was just very passionate, emotional affair with this woman other side of the cotton, it was just completely out of character or for what we thought we knew about the gap heres the thing i can accept that politics is a bit like professional wrestling candidates play a part to make headlines and win elections but theres a fine line between marketing and outright deception. And mark sanford scandal made me question, is there any truth to a political persona . And whats the cost of keeping it up . So when you worked for him, you described him by saying hes willing to say what he believes act accordingly and live with the consequences. But more recently you have suggested that thats part of an image and a brand and not reality. So theres a duality to me mark one is the mark sanford that you meet in political life. Thats the brand guy. Thats the image that its not unique to markets. All, all of these people have exactly the same thing. It is about them they are the brand so you always had to be cognizant of the fact that you werent just working for an individual person, but you are working for this brand. What was his brand . His brand was focusing very much limiting the size of government and balancing the budget that was for him, that was his way of connecting what the audience congressman mark sanford, republican of South Carolina, is the fresh face of this new breed. Ive actually got the remnants of last nights dinner here this is the new wife this is nasty, hundred and 50 dinner where customed to if they did save the, crust i mean, i didnt want anything to go to waste. The fiscal conservative thing with mark sanford was not an act. He was painfully fiscally conservative. And for example, theres an infamous freak out. The Congressional Office about him finding a discarded paper club in the trash can and he dug around in there and grabbed it back out and you can reuse this is he really making a safe paperclips . Of course i remember ginni san an interview complaining about he would not buy new suit jackets, that he would just wear the same clothes for years and years first, he didnt just talk a big game about being frugal. He really was a frugal man and while being frugal does not necessarily block a man from a little romance marked inhabited this penny pinching, sweetly curmudgeonly character so thoroughly, i just could not imagine there were other aspects of you know, hes mark sanford, family man is mark sanford father for boys . Hes mark sanford, physical conservative, but thats the distinction between being the Character Actor and being the person theres Method Acting involved in politics and theres a character they build thats real to them, but its not real its not real. 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You believed in him that i believed in the issues he believed it really disliked gets into my mind, like it really i really didnt think mark was capable of doing anything slimy, not mark. Its too afraid of jenni and hes, you know, all of these were like what theyd like College Sweethearts theyd been together for 20 years. They had four beautiful kids. She was such an integral part of his professional and personal lines. They seemed great to me that 20 year journey together from congress to the Governors Office when youre partnered with someone like that and your your food, yet relationships forged in steel under fire theyre saw it as a rock. You know that when you find a good one, you got to help. You found a good one. And mark sanford. But more importantly, the mob, Jenny Sanford are the greatest whats your first lady of the state of South Carolina jinho sample was invaluable to Mark Sanfords rise. She was a smart, skillful woman, a georgetown educated wall street vice president. I dont think that mark sanford would have had political career at all, if it were not for Jenny Sanfords help, its not my love. Im not driven to run campaigns, but but we worked well together Jenny Sanford had been a righthand woman throughout all of Mark Sanfords political career. She managed his congressional campaigns, and she also managed his First Campaign as governor, something that she has said and since she really tried to get out of doing because she had four sons, all of whom were still have school age. But she was free labor and it was somebody that he really wouldnt have to hire on on behalf of the people well, the state i wish you godspeed thank you. Sure. Mark and jenny made a great team, but it turned out there were some elements of the sanford union, very few people knew about or even suspected right before we were getting married. When he said, you know, theres your priest gives you a menu of different vowels and he says, well, you know, i, with all due respect, id rather not use a vow that uses the word faithful in it. And i said, well, you gotta be kidding me. And theres no question. I had my own doubts about mark, but fidelity was the last thing i was worried about but jenny brush the red flags syed been with her help marks political brand grew until it seemed unstoppable. He entered the Governors Office as a sort of folk hero to South Carolina voters. Saltine cracker of a man on singleminded crusade to save taxpayers money when you have a 5 billion budget thats essentially 1 billion out of out of balance. Change is needed but when he actually got to work at the statehouse, sanford found his passion for cutting budgets had also made him some enemies mark sanford. Hes a republican. The legislature for years has been controlled by republicans and so theyre all on the same party and extensively from the outside, you would think oh, okay. Well, these guys are all going to get together and get a lot of things done. Thats not really what happened when mark sanford was and the Governors Mansion. Instead, mark sanford, leena, further into character and started slashing his fellow republicans budgets with a vengeance. May 1 year he retired the entire budget i mean, just spent the entire budget that we never got to a budget. Cycle where there werent dozens of budget vetoes. There was no democrat versus republican. It was you know, us versus mark sanford. So he would send hundreds of veto was back and we would just get together and all override them because it was more during one particularly volatile session in 2004, sanford kept vetoing budgets and the legislature overrode 105 of those vetoes in 90 minutes. This is a republican lunch, just a Republican Legislature and thats i mean, thats how bad this was. And had that go over that morning, theres just like this Epic Freak Out of the press office in everybody is franticly on the Phone Dialing and they look up, say, you dont phone in some pigs, im but what get all the phone, find pigs martin needs to pigs. Hes going to take him upstairs turning their heads and craning their heads and looking toward the lobby. And then somebody said, oh my god, he has pigs candidate john edwards cheated on his cancer stricken wife, had a baby with his girlfriend, and then tried to pass it off as a Campaign Staffers kid. Were here to get your side of the story. Good states of scandal with jake taylor. New episode next Sunday Night On Cnn sore throat, mucinex, its the suits or it broke medicated drops. 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Governor seemed to reveal the one issue that could stir him to reckless passion protesting his fellow Republicans Bloated Park filled budget with actual pork the gasoline she lost yesterday, and fourth one fourth one. And the taxpayers lost in a mark, had one under each arm and was maybe squeezing them a little too tight. And so there was a trail of a Pig Excrement as he went up dares, he gets it down his pants and on his shoes and on his coat or boy, which for a guy who owns one coat or the House Majority whip is yelling at me that we have to clean this mess up. I went up there with what the spray and then the rags a little bit elbow grease and cleaned up pig duty that day. And then b, let the pigs go run free. And so the pigs ran free in the lobby and ran into the house annual room chamber and of course, all the lobbyists were around there. The press was there and sure enough, it was a lead story on all three local television stations. And it was a huge hit in the public. Was it an effective punch in the face . It was good timing because we had a primary just coming up a week later and one of the republicans who ended up losing their seat was the House Majority leader and he said pointblank, that his Polling Numbers flipped completely because of that pig episodes. So we had a number of incumbent republicans who ended up losing the challengers. They started taking him a lot more seriously about it worked. Yeah. It was very effective. But at the same time, mark sanford was becoming a political rockstar for letting pigs loose on the capitol floor. A chance encounter was about to make a complete mess of his personal life in 2001, sanford had taken a guys trip to oregon and theyre at an outdoor dance. He matt and instantly connected at first as friends with a woman who saw the man behind the brand. Argentinian journalist maria berlin, chop she was a very likable person and for a guy like mark sanford who surrounded by people who were basically beating the out of him every day over on the senate. When you get this oasis of compassion, it can be appealing and shes an attractive woman. Shes ageappropriate. This the whole nine and All Of A Sudden hes in love hes got this email exchange with this woman. He prints these letters out and puts him in a file cabinet in his office at the mansion. His letters to his mistress, and the ones from her. If they wanted to file this dumb, printed them out and put them in a folder and then file i just keep coming up to it just so weird to me because all these politicians who worked so hard, right . And they throw it away for sex. And its just always so crazy to me as somebody who covers politics its so common and its so dumb. And i just, i never truly understand it. The thing about a political figure that youve got to keep in mind. Number one is compartmentalization their ability to isolate each segment of their world as though it didnt exist. They have to be able to do that. If you meet Jennie Sanford and you meet berlin, their poor opposite peep, All Of A Sudden, berlin found the hole to get into the gap in his life and filled it but then he compartmentalizes and he says method act or so he goes back to being mark sanford, actor, governor without ever letting on these having an affair to maintain his office and reputation, sanford had to hide his love for maria and continue to pretend to only long before balanced budgets in 2090, top pork and barrel with a bigger stones that would catapult him from South Carolina local legend to the national spotlight. South carolinas republican governor has become the nations first to reject some of the economic Stimulus Money South Carolina was still reeling from the 2008 recession when sanford was offered relief funds from president obamas economic stimulus plan. If we spend all this money, we end up 700 million in the whole 24 months from now the question is, and then what people started legitimately talking about him as a president ial contender to challenge obama in 2012, i was a White House Reporter at the time. Thats how it looked from where i was sitting. Oh, sanfords emerging to challenge obama and it sounds like thats what you guys were thinking to write. Next thing, you know, weve got the tea party and sanford is the man he had become a darling for fiscal conservatives. I met people who had moved to South Carolina just kind of quietly to begin forming what was going to be potentially a National Level bid for him if mark sanford is a stock like in spring of 2009, youre buy it, right . Anybody who knows anything about politics or about republican politics, youre buying mark sanford stock in spring of 2009 . Then fathers day weekend of 2000 ios when everything started to fall apart because the governor disappeared it was honestly one of the most bizarre things i have covered in 20 years of journalism he left he was gone from the state and didnt leave anybody else in charge. It seemed totally out of character, but his constituents would soon learn that they did not know the real mark sanford at all . You are not broken this is need a place to be heard people who may not have allowed voice nevertheless, have an important story theres a responsibility in telling their stories accurately there is hope their trust in me means everything weve never spoken, but youve told us many things that you love stargazing, hate parallel parking, and occasionally, your right foot gets a little heavy. The lexus es didnt begin in the studio. It began with you his show i do want you you see idp disrupts. The idp derails. Lets be honest. Sucks but living to see idp doesnt have to. 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They had said on cnn was a thursday so i had a scheduled meeting with him in the morning, except he didnt show up for the meeting i. Remember i was standing outside the state house and marisay for told me personally that he was going to be gone for a few days. I am i going to be able to reach on yourself and im probably not. All right. Failing comes up, joel, handle it. Okay but as the weekend came and went no one had heard from mark sanford, fathers day weekend. So im with my children and my family and they get the work the next day on monday and theres sort of these rumblings of you know, we know were marquez meanwhile ive been calling him trying to get a hold of them and i couldnt get them on the phone. All of a sudden this Appalachian Trail story comes up. Where did it come from . The Appalachian Trail thing, he planted that with a member of our staff. But even an eccentric guy like mark sanford would spend fathers day with his four sons whom he legitimately adult course. Right. Did you talk to Jenny Sanford . She didnt know where he was and he wasnt known for fathers de and the last thing she said to me is hes your problem now from there, the day got worse for scott because one of stanfords enemies in the state senate was starting to ask questions. I get a call from someone with sled state Law Enforcement division, which is the governor Security Detail from center nodes is asking questions about sanfords whereabouts jk knots he singlehandedly blocked tattoos, becoming legal in South Carolina because it god wanted you to have a tattoo, he to put it on your body himself. I mean, he he is that guy. Jake nods ii was one of the top foils of governor mark sanford, they absolutely did not get along every day is another embarrassing were Something Else is popping up. It started out that he just simply took a vehicle and was missing. Jake was trying to stir up this idea that nobody had sled knows where he is. Nobody knows where the governor is. He didnt tell him about where hes going. Hes missing i know exactly where he is. Hes hiking the State Newspaper was tipped off by senator jake knots when we started calling and asking, wheres the governor . First, they were like, well, why do you want to know . Well because hes the governor. Then of course, youre going to give me as attention right . When you dont answer where a governor is, there was a mystery this warnings rein in the whereabouts or South Carolina governor mark sanford mystery is unfolding surrounding the whereabouts of South Carolinas governor reportedly even his wife didnt know where he went and it wasnt even around for fathers day. The various simple solution to this thing has governor sanford callback home, come back home to people or South Carolina want to know where you add, communicate. Dmz called all 170 members, i believe, of the state house. Ill never forget i got a message from tmz in the down the other end, he was just like, do you know where the governor is and i was like, i do not any hung up. And so then i was like something somethings going on at this point. Im being bombarded from everywhere. Ive got news trucks all around the state house right now because where is the governor . I should know. I dont know. And so what did you do . I put the hiking the Appalachian Trail story out because ive got members of my staff confirming it the mystery is actually growing deeper South Carolina governor mark sanford vanished last thursday. Well yesterday, his office say he wasnt hiding. He was hiking. His office said the governor had gone hiking along the 2,200 mile long Appalachian Trail wouldnt specify where i can only assume he has been sustaining himself by boring wild game into collapsing at his speech and heres where i must make my confession. The sanfords story breaks and a White House Correspondent for abc news. And i know mark, ive known him for a decade at this point. I completely buy the Appalachian Trail thing and then good morning, america asks me to we need to get the stanford interview. Its a mystery where he is and they send me copy of the story that nbc or msnbc had done in which hes like basically talking about how shady and weird it is that the governors disappeared. I forwarded it to maybe to joel sawyer. I forgot who i sent it to, but i sent it to somebody and you and said Something Like pretty slimy stuff, like alluding to the fact that like dont give the interview to nbc or the today show, give it to abc news and good morning america, because nbc, whatever theyre Casting Aspersions and then of course, way after the truth of sanfords escapades have come out my email was released and a Freedom Of Information Act request. I called the reporter and an executive at nbc and apologize. It was to be clear, inexcusable. And beyond that, id been wrong wrong about this guy who i thought had been a devoted dad and husband, wrong, wrong. Wrong. Lesson that was just embarrassing and i also felt dumb for just automatically believing the best possible scenario when it came to a politician, you, youve always been on the reporting side of things. Welcome to the hell we all have by our 144 of mark sanford, disappearance pretty much everyone who knew mark sanford was starting to question how much we really knew him as the day goes on tuesday, little things, a little bits of information started coming out and maybe kinda say, we learned that his last cell phone pinging was in atlanta some googling. Well, theres an Appalachian Trail trailhead just north of atlanta. We find out late the day tuesday, that his car is parked at the airport surely theres not Something Else at play here. Youre saying hes over the Appalachian Trail. We at the state had some formation that led us to believe Something Different so about a year before mark sanford, mr. Disappeared from the state, we had gotten an email, the subjects that said, this is your governor, that appeared to be backandforth emails between in mark sanford and a woman in argentina but they could not be proven to be legitimate until the governor disappeared. And here is an actual excerpt from one of marks many emails to baelyn i could digress and say you had the ability to give magnificent gentle kisses or that i love your tan lines, or that i love the curve of your hips. The erotic beauty of you holding yourself or to magnificent parts of yourself and the faded glow of the night, slide. But hey that would be going into sexual details. So do you know what im saying . Its sort of starts swirl lane at that point we didnt know but we hoped that we had put everything together correctly and he was going to be getting off of a flight from argentina there in the atlanta area . Ford and there was only one flight coming in from argentina that morning remember being at the atlanta airport, its 06 00 a. M. That morning. And one of the last people off the escalator is mark sanford and i i mean, i jump pick up my digital cameras this could not believe he was standing there that led air. So now the question was, would sanford actually come clean . Candidate john edwards, cheated on his cancerstricken wife, had a baby with his girlfriend and then tried to pass it off as a Campaign Staffers kid. Were here to get your side of the story. Did your intimate relationship with him begin that night . Yes. How did you end up with sex tape of john edwards and reopened her Tabloid Trash is full allies. Donna was believed he could outsmart anyones on the campaign trail. 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Yes, i would he told me the story about the pressures of public life and he just needed to get away, right . And he wanted to take this trip well, where did you say do you have friends there . We did you visit with he told me he was alone and i think it started dawning on him that i knew more than i was letting on and he he got up and left and then im grabbing for myself phone and calling my editor and yelling, oh, my god knowing it was only a matter of hours before jeanna filed her story. Mark sanford race back to the capitol to get ahead of it. All with a now Infamous Press conference, i was there and i cant recall a time being more squished in in what is a very large atrium in the middle of the South Carolina state house let me help me here. How are we going to i couldnt get i couldnt talk to the guy. I had no idea what a messy was proxy, which gina smith not here. Okay. So im standing there and im off camera and im watching this fiasco so, the bottom line is this. I ive been unfaithful from allies i developed a relationship with a what started as a dear, dear friend from argentina. He walks through this experience and his relationship with this woman and how he feels about this woman. It began very innocently as i suspect many of these things do in just a casual email backandforth in advice on ones life there and advice here. But here recently over this last year had developed into something much more than that is an explanation of where he was was so deeply narcissistic so deeply about himself and his feelings. That is a suspected continual process all through life of good ones heart right . In light and so i would never stand before you as one who just says, im completely right, but regarding my heart on all things, but what i would say is im committed to try and get my heart right because i found love. Im sorry. Im sorry. I lit the entire building on fire but if you guys be happy for me yeah. I hurt my wife. I hurt my boys. I heard friends like tom davis i heard a lot of different folks and all i can say is that i apologize. What was your reaction . Because he i mean, hes he spoke from the heart. You could say its the best thing i can say about it. I started with him in 1996, were 13 years later, and im just watching my entire career, everything that i had built up for the last 13 years, just fall into a flaming pile of pig shed basically, yes. He effectuated the escape. But then he didnt do the cover of well at all. If mark would have had any friends see mark is kind of a loner mart would a loop them in. I mean, what would have happened . I think his only friend was probably ginni. It turned out you get discovered mark secrets ahead of the press and no, she would not be standing by her man for the photographers to ginni anybody who is observed her over the last asked 20 years, my life knows how closely she has stood by my side it was very surreal and for the part of a lot of the reporters who came in from out of town. Theyre like, is it always like this . Isnt there always this kind of weird stuff thats happening. And i mean, the answer is yes. But this was definitely a different level and it took us awhile to figure out exactly what we had all just gone three but it all might have gone away quickly because mark sanford is news cycle was interrupted by perhaps an act of god, the la times is reporting the pop star Michael Jackson has died the entire National Media apparatus turn their focus from mark sanford over to remembering Michael Jackson all the governor has to do now is keep his head down, not say anything, and the whole thing will blow but then mark held basically a almost two day interview with members of the Associated Press on the record in which he called. Berlin has soulmate gave another interview . Surely it couldnt be that bad, right . The whole lot more than simple affair to love story across lines that i shouldnt have crossed. Very me. Remember there was the older couples sitting to are they could see as far yeah. It was a lot. I think there was in mark the sense of trying as hard as he could to explain to people some very complex things that he was feeling when you compared it to add words or it was spitzer, somebody had gone to a Crisis Management expert and say, okay, this is the way you go about explaining things in a way where you can salvage your career or a way you can position yourself to come back mark didnt do any of that. And that might just be what saved him to be a headline. Wars vegas. Thats what i wanted to they had the biggest entertainers in america vegass always marketed itself on its naughtiness the only way you find out what you cant do is if you do it its unlike anywhere else in the world, vegas, The Story Of Sin City thank sunday at ten on cnn tmobile build a 5g network so powerful, it goes beyond the expected. And now tmobile 5g internet for homes businesses is here. Also. 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They opened an ethics investigation in the hopes of finding that its tripped argentina contained criminal use of taxpayer dollars i was on the judiciary committee, was 22, 23 years all at the time. And ive voted to impeach mark sanford and i shouldnt have when i think about it and look back at it. I dont think it rose to the level of impeachability the majority of the state senate at the time sought that way too, because nothing mark sanford spent on that trip crossed over into criminal territory after he paid a small fine and reimburse the state. The hearings were dropped. Now, he just needed to win back the public. He embarked on what i remember turning in a story at One Point And Ology Tour and he did that for months. I am compelled to say that im sorry, One More Time for the situation that i created, the reality is none of us are perfect. Now moving forward, i think the people South Carolina raging mark sanford served out his full two terms as governor. The maximum allowed by South Carolina law. In 2012, we got engaged to his soulmate, maria baelyns chub. And then the following year, he ran again and won his old congressional seat back once left for dead and the political wilderness. Mark sanford, blaze to come back trail that will take him all the way to washington i just want to acknowledge a oh god, not just a second cancers, but third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth chances. Because that is the reality of our shared humanity. I think that weve learned that voters can be really forgiving. And we love to watch the fall. But man, we really love a good comeback, right . Marx reentry into politics wasnt stumble free in 2014, he broke up with maria via a 2,300 word post on facebook but after all that, it was in 2018 that sanford finally faced if you he could not bounce back from when he denounced trumpism as bad for the republican party. And trump clapped back in a tweet. Donald trump endorsed sanfords opponent in the gop primary race and for the first time in his entire political life sanford lost sanford lost his primary race because to a degree, he stood up to donald trump two degree. Now, if you need that narrative, thats fine. I dont if you dont think its true to tell me what i think its he doesnt have a campaign manager. He doesnt have Campaign Staff he has a Campaign Account and doesnt spend it. The guy spent 300,000 on ads and the night he was declared the loser in a republican primary at oneandahalf Million Dollars in his bank account he took a dive. Why he needed the universe to make a decision for me was unhappy in congress. Christ knows, i watched it be unhappy in congress, but he cant, he cant quit things. Lets go back to 2009 for a second. Okay. He couldnt quit his marriage. So what does he do . He gives her the clue by disappearing for five days. So that becomes an international scandal. From the outside, the mark sanford scandal was an absurd comedy but for insiders such as scott or me, if im being honest it was a really hard lesson. Mark sanford seemed like the rare politician who is exactly what you saw on the podium . And thats because who he seemed to be was based on some real truths but the persona was just one facet of who he was packaged up and made clean and comprehensible for the American Public the big surprise was that even after mark sanford is brand had dissolved, so spectacularly, the South Carolina public embraced him even more authenticity trumping perfection. Ironically, a lesson harnessed by his main detractor, the 45th President , who took an aggressive brand of filter free politics the way to the white house, i could stand in the middle of fifth avenue and shoot somebody and i wouldnt lose any voters. Okay. Its like incredible. I still occasionally talked to mark, who declined to participate in this documentary. I think because of how guilty he feels about what this all did to his four sons. He says hes working hard on those relationships and maybe im a fool but i believe them scandals the capitate people. Scandals take people completely out the game and mark sanford that didnt happen to martin, a mark didnt get impeached, he finished his term and he actually won another race for the United States congress by being honest to himself, being honest to his conservative political values, and being honest with the public the real mark sanford was able to shake the perfection of the past and Start Building a new story. Even if it took him, a long walk along the Appalachian Trail to get