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Straight from the source denied. That was fast seven jurors have been chosen in all trumps first criminal trial on day two, a sharp warning to the former president from the judge. Dont even think about intimidating potential jurors after the judge Saw Trump Muttering and gesturing in close proximity to a potential juror, and what is it like to be in that jury pool . But the former president turned defendant . Watching your every move as you are being considered to decide his fate. My source tonight will tell us all about it. Im sarah sidner in for Kaitlan Collins tonight. And this is the source an immigrant from ireland and Oncology Nurse corporate lawyer, a grandfather from puerto rico, a young english teacher, a recent college grad and civil litigator seven strangers who have at least two things now in common, they all live in new york city, borough of manhattan. And theyre all seated on the jury. That will decide if donald trump should be a convicted felon. Thats more than half of the jurors they need for a jury of 12 plus about six alternates. They are yet to be chosen and make no mistake. This judge is wasted, no time moving things along yet. Another thing that has donald trump really unhappy were going to continue our fight against this, judge. We think hes totally conflicted jack with the New York State system. Its time to watch by the whole world. And so we, we think we have a very inflicted you shouldnt be on the case and hes rushing this trial different day, same false accusations about the judge outside of court from donald trump. Now, inside the court, there were clashes over the social media posts of potential jurors that trump team alleging bias against the defendant. Some new yorkers were immediately dismissed for their past post another question intensely about a video she posted after the 2020 election was called for joe biden that elicited a response from trump, who apparently muttered something about it and visibly reacted, gesturing that earn ten and admonishment from the judge who told trumps lawyer that he walked dont have any jurors intimidated in the courtroom. Now, inside court, the former president was said to be watching a potential jurors very intently sizing up the jury pool. And after core today, this is what he said feel about the seven jurors that were selected ill let you know what about two months our next source tonight was inside that courtroom care magee spent two days is a potential juror. Just a few feet from donald trump until she was dismissed. Kara, thank you so much for being here. First of all, how did they identify you in the court . What did they give you when you first walked in so this was part of the initial jury summons that i got in the mail. They took were off the rest of it. Theyre like farm that we filled out and they left us these to identify ourselves with when we got into court. So they blacked out our names to be anonymous, and then they identified as by these letters okay. So youve got theyre calling you bye, bye be whatever it is e3, 70 its going to be three, instead of your full name because youre supposed to be anonymous. So that you dont face threats from the public or otherwise, at what point did you realize that you were walking into what is a historic case against a former president , the very first criminal trial of a former us president so i had known that this was around the time that they were selecting the trump jurors because when i got the jury summons, i texted my mom. I have dirty jury duty on tax day. Thats funny. And she said, oh, i think thats when theyre picking the trump jurors. So i knew that it was a possibility there was a line around the block of jurors when i got there. But of course its, you know, its manhattan, theres always million things going on. So i was like i might be in a trial down the hall. We were put into a Jury Holding Room that was full of people there were i want to say 200 of us in there and just from that number of people, i was like, this might be trump. There are so many, but it wasnt until the first group of us were actually brought into the courtroom and i saw him that i was sure. Can you give me a sense of what it was like . What did it feel like being in that room before you went into court and then walking into court . Sure so in in the room before before we were brought into court, and this was the sense the whole day, people were really not talking to each other as much as i expected. There seemed to be a sense of none. Of us really knew what the protocols were in the situation, whether we were allowed to say, hey, do you think were on the trump trial . There was it seemed like there was maybe a worry that if we spoke to anyone, we would be dismissed for knowing too much about it or something were their nerves and it was an uneasy with this sort of quiet uneasiness, like not knowing exactly how to handle. Definitely, i think we were also not really sure when any of the action would start. I think because there were so many of us we were expecting to maybe just sit in the holding room for a week and then be told that the jury was picked and we would go home. Wow. Okay. So what did you observe . Youre in there. Youre few feet away from former President Donald Trump what did you observe about his demeanor . Sure so walking in is theres this you walk in and you see him and you realize youre on the trump trial and at the same time, to kind of very contrasting feelings hit you. One, where you get the sense of how historic this is as you were saying and how you are now a piece of history, even if you dismissed, you are here, you experienced this moment that is unlike Anything Else that has happened before so its this huge gravitas. And at the same time, you see him in person, which i had never seen him in person. Of course and you realize hes just a dude and then you go and sit in the jury box and youre 30 feet away from him and hes just looking at everyone as they answer questions about him what does it feel like youre sitting there and the former president is looking at you, you know, some of the rhetoric that has been used by him or hes gone after the judge and the tonys did you know about him and some of his his personality and antics before you walked into court. So his his personality on the specific case no. But about him and his public persona . Yes and i think thats one really unique thing about this case, is that as an american as you know, most people in the world who have seen any form of news you cant really go into it without prior opinions even if youre not invested, its just we have heard so much about him and seeing so much of him in the media that we all have an impression of him already walking in so being across from someone who has been just so present in everyones atmosphere for so long. And then having that person watch, you answer questions about them is surreal. Thrilled, nerve wrecking, or did you feel like this is really odd, but it wasnt scary both. Eye when we, when we first were brought into the courtroom they the judge went through his description of what it means to be a good juror and what it means to be fair and impartial and stick to this case and the evidence regarding this case. And not allow your prior impressions of this person to influence your decision and then he asked for people to raise their hands if they thought they thought that they for any reason would not be able to be impartial and a good number of people raise their hands and were dismissed at that point. So dismissed sorry. Why were you dismissed . So i got up to the jury box and it didnt seem to go back to your earlier question. It seemed like once you were in the jury box, you had made an agreement with the judge and i guess with the legal system overall, that if they thought, you were the best person to be sitting in this seat on the jury that you were going to do the best you could to uphold with the Legal Process is supposed to be and give whoever might be sitting in the defendants chair the right To A Fair Trial so while on the one hand, it was a little nervewracking to sit right across from someone whose fate you would have a hand in deciding on the other hand, it was a sense of through living in this country and having the right To A Fair Trial. Myself, if i ever needed it or if someone i know and care about ever needed it it is i have accepted my duty to uphold that. You felt like you can be a fair and impartial juror, but ultimately or dismissed. Why do you think you were dismissed . Correct so i thought about it a lot overnight because i didnt i wasnt i didnt answer the questionnaire yesterday. They didnt get to me at i slept on it and i was thinking, you know, given my prior exposure to media on trump, would i be able to be fair and impartial and i because the right To A Fair Trial is so important to me. I decided that yes, i could consider simply the evidence presented in this case as the judge told us, two and simply decide whether i thought that given the evidence was this person who happens to be donald trump guilty of this particular crime. That he was accused of. Your show my youd be the perfect job what happened . Well, i was really hoping to get on the case and then yesterday at some point when we the jurors were beginning to be interviewed the judge mentioned that the case would go at least six weeks, and now people are saying probably a good deal longer its nine in the morning to about five in the evening every day i went through, answered all of the jury questions out loud. But the final question on the Jury Questionnaire was something along the lines of i dont remember the exact wording, but it was is there anything that this questioner has not asked that you think might impact your ability to be a good juror . If so please share it with us or something, and i said, due to the nature of my job, its its difficult for me to do mjob fully. Onlin urs that would have for pm this long and i was excused after that. That was the last question, so i dont know if pryor questions also you think that that was probably at because it would affect your financially and make this really almost impossible for your life. I would i would assume that that was why yeah. Well, its really fascinating that you got sit there and it was historic, whether youre on the jury or not, as you said it, so care, maggie. Thank you so much. Of course. She had a all right. I want to bring in a pair of our best legal sources, temidayo agangawilliams is a former Senior Investigative counsel for the january 6 committee. And Jennifer Rodgers is a former federal prosecutor and cnn legal analysts. Thank you both for being here i just have to think here, muggy again for coming in and sort of explaining what that was like because she said it was scary, it was nerve wracking. But you want it to be on the jury. It just didnt work out for her life today. I want to start with you. There are seven people that are on this jury. Many legal analysts said, this is going to take weeks to get this jury. The judge is now saying he believes that potentially monday, theyll have the entire jury seated. What does this paste tell you i think it tells you their jugular chinas fully in control of his courtroom. And thats what weve seen. He is move this process along efficiently. And i think it bows well that this entire trial is going to be run quite well by the judge. We saw today that the time when the former president , a onepoint set, its speaking and gesturing and the judge did what any judge does, which is to reprimanded defendants, saying you cannot do that so i think if he continues with what hes weve seen thus far this is going to be a quick case and hes not going to allow either the government ordered the fence or the former president to really run this off the train tracks. So i think its a good sign. Okay. I want to talk about these jersey. They are supposed to be anonymous. And that is because of the huge pretrial publicity. And because of potential threats that weve seen, other cases. So lets talk about what we do know about them now that they have gone through this process, there are of course seven jurors, and here are some of the details that we heard out of court. Juror one will be the foreperson. Hes a man from ireland who works in sales. He gets his news from the New York Times daily mail, fox, and msnbc juror number two is a native new yorker who works as an Oncology Nurse and is a New York Times reader and cnn water two or three is a corporate lawyer from oregon, juror four is an older puerto rican man who owns an it business who says, trump makes things interesting and youre five is a young black man, woman whos a Charter School english teacher, unmarried with no children. Juror six a Young Software engineer who lives with three roommates in Lower Manhattan and juror seven, a civil litigator who says he has political views of the Trump Presidency these jurors are supposed to be, of course anonymous. And you hear all of these details and im wondering to you, jennifer, if it reveals who they are, because if you happen to be this, It Businessman or the africanamerican teacher at a Charter School, the people that work around, you could probably figure this out pretty quickly if youre gonna be out for six weeks. Yeah. And it started bubbling up on formerly twitter x earlier about all these details that were coming out and so the social media posts that the defense are bringing in and reading outline, these people might be able to be identified which of course goes against the whole purpose of the anonymous juries. So i really do hope the judge martian does whatever he needs to do to try to make sure that these people stay anonymous. But its an interesting jury as a heavily professional jury. So thats so far is very interesting. Trusting usually you see a lot more kind of lowerlevel government employees. So ive come to interested in that aspect of it. Looking forward to seeing who the other five are for sure. So as ty go through this, Ch Prosecutor and the trumps legal team, th dense team, has ten strikes, ten people they can say for reon aall or for whatever reasonwe dt want this peon on the jury. Ve Each Ady Usesix to med. Whato you think is the a the bett jury or is th dstin thiseem like this could go either way so r . Yeah. I think its never clear. This is always picking an art and everyone has ev a jury. If you get theesult, the verdict you want, then all of a sudn you lo back and say, i really know how to pick a jury. And if it goes the other way than at the jurys faults. So i think its really hard to tell at this point, but i do think its interesting with the professional jury here because its a somewhat of a technical case. Its not a case where we simply say, did they commit but a murder, did they rob the bank . Yes or no . Its a case where youre talking about documents, youre talking about, youve you prove a Business Fraud and then youve referenced a separate crime. So i think its possible that a professional Background Jury here, could it be a positive for the prosecution because youre going to have lawyers on the jury. You could perhaps explain the statutes. So do you think that if there was some reading the tea leaves, i might point to that, but otherwise, its really, really hard to tell because another dynamic is had they interact with each other because its a Group Dynamic situation. Theyre gonna go back there and theyre gonna be talking, deliberating. Theyre going to be setting up alliances, are going to be supporting each other undercutting each other. So a lot of it is not just whos on the jury but how they interact with each other. I do wanna ask you about you mentioned the social media posts and in every case that ive seen, including the january 6 cases in federal court, they went through the social media of each and every person thoroughly to see if there was any bias, there can you just describe how this works . And is this the new . The way to suss out whether someone can actually be fair and partial. Well, certainly when you have someone like donald trump who everyone will posted about on social media, right . So yeah, i was not at all surprised to hear that when it was time for the four cause challenges, they came in with reams of paper saying, weve gone through all the social media feeds that are public of all of these people. And we want to complain about this guy and that woman and so on, because we think theyre biased even though they didnt admit to be biased. So i do think thats a new way theyre doing these things sometimes judge marsha and said, okay, yes, that post i think does evidenced enough of a bias for me to dismiss the prospective juror. Other times he said, no, thats not enough. So i think he actually did a really good job of kind of toing the right line there and being fair to both sides. But yeah, that is absolutely the new normal everyone. Do you want to be on a juror . Be careful what you post on social media. It is really interesting. People forget, they can look back years and they did. I want to talk about one of the things that we heard in court about social media to you temidayo trumps attorney, todd blanche grilled some of the potential jurors pressing them on their old social media posts, and blanche pressed one juror on a post calling trumps travel ban unlawful, which prompted this reaction from judge merchan. He said, if it ended there, i wouldnt really have a problem with it. Then the post continued whos this get him out and lock him up and rashawn struck the juror for cause, but not before saying that everyone knows trump could potentially be locked up if hes convicted in this case. This is his first criminal trial. What do you make of how the judge dealt with that particular case . And is it a sigma hello to everybody else about what could happen to them . Well, i think what i think he was fair. I mean, i think what we saw in both with what jen mentioned is that hes not looking to strike jurors, just having opinions is looking to strike them if they cant be fair. And i think thats a good sign going forward. Yeah. Even if they say they can be fair, if they look back on their social media and they see some of these things, theres going to be a problem. Temidayo agangawilliams. Thank you so much as well as you, Jennifer Rodgers. Appreciate you guys being here this evening. All right. Trumps promising to continue fighting. The judge on this case. Not a surprise. Who is already not having it when it comes to potential intimidation . 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The message has been clear we are going to continue our fight against this judge not i have a Trump Hating Judge with the trumphating wife and family. Hes totally conflicted. Theres never been a judge more conflicted than this one. All right. That is how donald trump has been describing the judge over and over, over again. Im joined now by judge ladoris hazard cordell, a retired judge who spent 19 years on the bench in the state of california. Thank you so much for joining us. Given that you can see Donald Trumps clear and present hamas city towards the judge in this case. If you were on the bench in this case with the world, looking at every detail how would you make it clear that you can be fair . But also that the former president known for improper Court Behavior has to follow the same rules as every other criminal defendant. Well, i give judge more sean on a scale of one to ten. Hes atten, hes doing a terrific job of doing just what you described, maintaining control, but also saying youre not going to act out in my courtroom. So when donald trump acted out and actually said something muttered something that was negative toward a spective juror, the judge jumped right on it but im imagine a if donald trump couldnt control himself in that respect when people he despises Michael Cohen, Stormy Daniels, take the witness stand. He has to sit there quietly, not say anything, show no emotion, and i can tell you now, he is going to act out. So itll be up to the judge and im sure, judge, most sean is thought about this to do something to say youre not going to act this way in this courtroom and i will tell you if i were the trial judge, i know what i do. If he started to act out, i would stop have the jurors taken out and i would have mr. Trump escorted into a nearby room where there would be a monitor where he could watch and listen to the crossexamination and direct examination of the witness, and then adding that witness was done. Id bring them back out sort of like a timeout room. And then i bring them back again and if he started to act out with the next witness i take them back for another timeout so youre saying that basically its legally appropriate, are okay. Because he has to be in court. He has to be able to face the charges against him and the witnesses who are up against him. But he could be in a different room in other words, they could show him the trial and then bring it back in oh, absolutely and and again, if he is disruptive in the courtroom, what you cannot do. And this was done back in the De In The Trial of the Chicago Seven where bobby seale was gagged the in front of the jury, and you cant do that so if you want to maintain control, then put them in a place where he can hear everything, can communicate with the lawyers, but give them a timeout. I guarantee you hell learn. And if not, hell spend that time sitting on a timeout room this is really fascinating, judge ladoris hazard cordell, really appreciate you sort of explaining that as someone whos been on the bench for such a long time, im just reminding people, look, this is the former president. Yes, but hes also the person who is going to be the republican nominee. For president for 2024. And during that campaign season. And so this is just a fascinating moment in our history to see him going to a criminal trial every day to watch this all happened is unprecedented, judge. Thank you so much for being here. 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But in the end, this case really does come down to just a couple of things. Bookkeeping. And youth voter. Let me explain. First up the bookkeeping. Heres how one of Donald Trumps current attorneys described it this case is about Business Records charges. The question is whether Business Records relating to payments made to Michael Cohen were misreported those payments. We know came directly from donald trump, sayyed that checks. Weve seen them and while he was President Trump signed to Financial Disclosure form that he quote, fully reimbursed cohen in 2017 as for how the money got from trump to cohen, heres how the de describes a scale came to pay hush money to Stormy Daniels, quote each check was disguised as a payment for legal services. Former President Trumps attorney, Rudy Giuliani described it this way. They funneled through the law firm funneled through and the president repaid it oh, i didnt know how about those legal services. Cohen was apparently performing Rudy Giuliani went on to say this when i heard cohens retained are 35,000 when he was doing no work for the president. I said, but thats how hes repaying. Thats how we how hes repaying. It. Was a little profit and a little margin foot paying taxes for michael its not like this was going on behind Donald Trumps back. He knew about the arrangement with david and the National Enquirer to bury negative stories about him ahead of the election, trump is on tape discussing how they kill the story of his alleged affair with Karen Mcdougal and with his former personal attorney, Michael Cohen. That conversation janel, a key witness in the case against and listen i need to open up a company for the transfer of all the bad regarding our friend david so im going to do that right away. Id actually come up and ive spoken to Allen Weisselberg about how to set the whole thing up with a funding that yes and its all the stuff all right. So now this is where you, the voter come in because without you, this would be a misdemeanor case. The reason this is a felony with potential jail time is because of what prosecutors described as a scheme to keep voters from ever knowing that a Porn Star And A Playboy Play may claim trump cheated on his wife with them. And despite trumps claims to the contrary, bringing this charged as a felony, actually happens. A lot of new york records show Felony Charges of falsifying Business Records were brought more than Nine Thousand times in new york between 2015 and when donald trump was indicted. As for the paper trail on that scheme, theres a Treasure Trove of texts and Phone Records showing cohen working directly with the campaign to keep an eye out for the stories, including texts to hope hicks, or they discussed how the mcdougal story was quote, getting little traction and that quote, its working. We even know that trump was on those phone calls now, donald trump denies all of this, but in the end, all that effort eight years ago to keep those stories from coming out ill just before an election all but ensures you the voter will be seeing walltowall coverage of every salacious detail, just as donald trump asks you to send him back to the white house here with me now ashley allison, cnn Political Commentator and former white house Senior Policy Adviser under president obama as well as cnn senior Political Commentator, and navarro. Thank you, ladies for being here. Allison, i want to start First Talking about the voters the latest New York Times poll looked at where women are in this. And when were twice as likely as menn to see the charges in this case as very serious which mirrors what we saw in 2018 when all this started to come out, when these stories were were all over the place. His Approval Rating with women, if you take a look at this, were 20 points lower than with men as were getting the daily input and deluge of this salacious details of alleged sexual encounters and cheating and cover rep. Do you think when theyre going to respond to this at the poles this time, or is this something that weve already heard . We already have made up our minds. This is old hat. Well, we know right now women are an animated portion of the electorate because of the Policy Issues Of Case in point roe v. Wade being overturned. So its pretty and engaged electorate figuring out how theyre going to engage in this election cycle. You said they already heard, but they actually didnt. Hear everything. And 2016, when they went to the polls. And so now what is happening to donald trump is exactly what this case is alleging. He tried to prevent women being fully formed about his behavior where he had an affair with his wife another woman and women are thinking what type of man is this . Is this the type of person with the character i want to be in the white house. And i think some women, particularly hopefully the fifth of the 53 of white women who supported donald trump and sick 2016 will allow abortion as well as this issue should be a determining factor to say he is not fit for this job and this case really is about falsifying records, like none of that other stuff has anything to do with that, except for the fact that this is how we got to this point. Speaks to intent on an navarro. Im curious about buying records, about campaign contribution, right . And Kind Campaign contribution, right . On reported correct. So i have a question for you. His wife, Melania Trump not with him. Weve not seen her yet near the near the court in this criminal case. First ever former president. What does that tell you well, its not just about this case, right . Hes now been charged in four Different Cases and she has been nowhere to be seen, frankly, has daughter who used to be by his side constantly is nowhere to be seen either trying to reinvent and herself in miami beach melania, we all remember when this story first broke how mad she was, how she took off to maralago was in a spar for days and only came back for the State Of The Union where she wrote in a different car and she was clearly angry theres going to be i think a yes, this has rehash. Yes, we know this happened, but donald trump is still denying it. And i think in part he denies it to save face with voters and to save face with his wife. So now for the first time though, were going to hear Stormy Daniels testify about this in a court of law. And i think the level of public embarrassed its meant for a wife who was newly married. Theyd only been married for about a year when he met Stormy Daniels, who had just given birth of his, you know, his son was Something Like four months old when he started this a fair when this was happening, i think thats going to be incredible. Hey, hurtful, embarrassing, humiliating, and you know, and i dont think youre going to save my money anywhere around. We havent seen her in a Campaign Trail already, right . Its its hard for women to listen to this and imagine themselves in the position. If all of this was going on, which of course donald trump denies. I just want to ask the both of you and in this case, and i dont want to get ahead of myself, but im doing it if he is actually convicted, i mean, the judge has been very clear this could be jail time, right how do you see this playing out . I mean, this there are people out there talking about civil war over, over him. And what is happening with them. And hes egging people on saying hes the victim here and system is going after him. What are your thoughts . Well, whether or not hell have jail time will be a serious i think a deciding factor of how people respond. Hes already been found liable and guilty of other things, and we havent had a civil war yet. So hopefully hes responsible with his language. He hasnt been proven to do so to date, but i think that if he actually goes to jail genes in our country could get really high. I would be shocked if he actually goes to jail. I would find that shocking given that hes you know, this is a first offense and all of these other things ive kind of lost hope that its going to make any difference with republican voters. Ive even lost hope that it makes any difference with evangelical voters. Have you heard this man boast about grabbing women by the private and it didnt matter on how you voted. Im not sure this is going to make that much of a change i do think it may affect independent voters and folks that are not yet decided if it is as tight as a poll, say, it is, that could be a difference, but we will have to wait and see. Thank you, ladies. Both alice alice, ashley, allison, and navarro, i appreciate you coming in this evening all right. Next some of the convicted january 6 rioters reportedly being let out of jail early because of a challenge that has made its way all the way. The Supreme Court will explain how that case could also have an impact on the federal Cool Case Ainst donald trump your assignment with adi cornish. Listen wherever you get your podcasts its r amp, your way choose three flavors for just 20, like News Street Corn Sram in our face hey, miss garlic shrimp scampi, its time to grab some cheddar bays and good flavor full hurrian to try shrimp, your way, only at red lobster switch to shopify. 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I almost gave you a new title there, andy but i want to talk to you about about this because it is quite fascinating whats happening there are about 300 and 50 Capitol Rioters charged under this law there are people who have already been convicted under this law, about 100 or so whoever received prison sentences, i mean, if the Court Decides that this chart is not stand, how much of a blow is ther way, right . S you st low detail, eres a lot of work thats been put into charging and prosecuting many, many, several hundred defendants in the january involved in january 6 and so if the court rules that youant use is stute inhis way on these facts, then thats gointo force the dement to go back and reevaluate a lot of those convictions. Excuse me many of those people were also convicted for other crimes as well. So it wont simply result in the vacating their convictions entirely some folks have you mentioned already been sentenced on conviction. So this this these counts, its very complicated. Its hard to say from this perspective exactly how that will play out. But the entirety of it will depend on how broadly or narrowly the court renders their decision. Yeah, it is a fascinating charge. I know that that charge was involved in the cases i watched, which was the proud boys and the oath keepers those charges were in there as well, but they were many other charges that they face, like this police officer, for example, whose case has gone to the Supreme Court as justices seemed to be really focused just on the league golan tactical debate before them, not what happened that day and the conservatives on the court seemed to be leaning towards saying the Obstruction Charges dont apply how do you see this playing out . Politically and for those who, this is the only charge, does it mean that people will get out of jail . Yeah. It is entirely possible, but again, it comes down to what the opinion actually says. So on one extreme, they can say that the statute is overly overly broad, declare it unconstitutional, and then anyone convicted under the statue would have an opportunity to challenge their convictions. Think those far more likely decision is that they will say that the statute as applied on these facts, the facts presented from mr. Fisher, and therefore, similar facts that many other january 6 defendants would be able to present. Its overly broad in those circumstances. So what effect it wouldnt throw the statute out entirely, but it would prohibit its use from people who simply entered the capitol on january 6. And then engage in other criminal activity. And yes, if you were convicted only on this statute and its ruled that it can apply in these circumstances those convictions would be vacated and theyd be let out of prison okay can you give us a sense of how this particular case on this particular Obstruction Charge will affect trumps january 6 case, the federal case my. Guest sir, is it wont affect trumps case very much because if they let the Statute Stand and its intended form that is in the white collar context. Its a statute thats targets people whove essentially used documents to obstruct an official proceeding in trumps indictment. If you take the indictment on its face, theyve if alleged that he actually used documents to struck the official proceeding. Those would be of course, the false electors certificates and things like that. So i think theres likely enough facts in trumps indictment that whatever happens here, hes probably still looking at these charges its fascinating to watch all of this happening the Supreme Court very busy with very many cases involving donald trump, andrew mccabe, i really appreciate you coming out tonight. Thank you. Thanks, sarah i had by Donald Trumps truth, social stock is plummeting again. Will it hurt trumps Bobottom Line along with investors . 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Get a laugh during me to help Pulitzer Prize winning investigative journalist david cay johnston. He is covered donald trump for more than 30 years. All right . So why is the stock dropping so quickly . Because this company only had 4 million of revenue and it lost 58 and honore announced he plans to sell millions of additional shares to raise capital. Its called watering the stock. Its like when a barb, whats water in the gin bottle so who benefits . Can donald trump come out of this with a heck of a lot more money and server, can he come out . Well he cant sell his shares. What he can do is pledge them for alone so lets say he gets 50 of their value and the stock eventually plummets to zero, which it will, in all likelihood his bank shorts the shares that they can cover from him when the stock fall they will get all the money back and if they loaned him 50 of their value, they double their money minus their costs am donald, the loan that he got, its paid off when the deal is closed. So the only people are going to lose here are people like Marjorie Taylor greene, who does show their support for donald bought the stock and are holding being on. All right. So there was this gentleman who has written about the Washington Post who put, i think Something Like 25,000 into the stock. And is watching it plummet, but hes sticking with it what is it about donald trump, a person who was always touted himself this big businessman who has also been bankrupt several times. What is it about him that Donald Donald is the greatest con artist in the history of the world. He persuades people to things that arent true and they shouldnt believe are true and just a little point, donald personally is never filed bankruptcy right . Four times his Casino Company filed. They pushed him out the door. They filed bankruptcy twice more and closed down. But everything that donald trump touches as a business eventually fails. He is not a businessman. He is a Cash Extractor his . Name has been used. I know people by the name and put it onto on their buildings running for president , of course, is not cheap. Trump is facing all of these Civil Penalties and to separate civil trials. If the appeals dont go his way, and this is a huge amount of money that he will have to pay and now hes got all these other trials, criminal trials that are coming up. One whose which had already started with Jury Selection you know, trump. So well because youve covered him for 30 years, is this the hardest time this man has ever gone through . Up, to this point, but its going to get much worse. A donald is not a strong internal person. If he sees hes going to go to jail, even if its for a couple of days because he cant conduct himself in court. He will have a tough time, a very tough time. Wow. David cay johnston. I know youre a great author. Youre a Pulitzer Prize winner. Im thank you. Its just nice, just sitting next to you. Thats great. Thank you so much. Appreciate it all right. 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