With the investigation. Authorities are investigating a document posted online and believed to have been written by the suspected terrorist. The document is filled with wight nationalist language and racist hatred towards immigrants and specifically toward latinos. As if that werent horrifying enough, shortly after 1 00 a. M. On sunday morning a gunman opened fire in a dayton Entertainment District killing nine innocent people and injuring 26. That gunman wore body armor and fired what is called a long gun and killed by police less than a minute after the shooting started, authorities say. Moments ago, President Trump tweeted out prayers for people of el paso and the people of dayton, yesterday he called the el paso shooting, quote, an act of cowardice. This morning lawmakers and president ial candidates already are beginning to call for change. Were going to talk with at least four president ial candidates today about what they would do to stop this epidemic of Mass Shootings and shootings. We should note that we invited the republican governor Lieutenant Governor and both republican u. S. Senators representing texas to join us this morning. They all declined. The republican governor of ohio also declined. He also asked the white house to provide someone to discuss the shootings, that request too was declined. Joining me now former congressman from el paso and 2020 president ial candidate beto orourke. Congressman orourke, thank you for joining us on this horrible day for your community. Our thoughts and prayers are such a cliche of what is going on in el paso and in dayton. Have you learned anything new about what happened since you got back to el paso yesterday . Thank you, jake. Were grieving right now for our fellow el pasoans and the community is thinking about dayton and the people there who have suffered such extraordinary loss. Came back yesterday and got to spend some time with some of the victims and their families. Im seeing Extraordinary People who suffered the most grievous wounds and learned it wasnt just one Family Member, it was two or three or more who were shot and in some cases who were killed. This community is coming together unlike any other time that i can remember. Donations of blood, donations of food, just the love and the encouragement and the strength and the support in the face of a horrific mass killing. El paso will see on average 18 murders a year. That is the average over the last ten years. We lost at least 20 people yesterday. And it took someone coming from outside of this community of immigrants to come and bring their hatred and their death to el paso and in the face of that, this community has shown just incredible strength and love and is more than a match for this. We will overcome this. But something has to change and one of the wives of one of the victims, he had been selling things to raise money for the soccer team he coaches, shot in the chest. His wife asked me why is this happening in our country right now . Why will this continue to happen . How do you change this, and jake, i have to tell you, in addition to universal background checks and in addition to andersoning the sales of weapons of war in our community and red flag laws, we have to acknowledge the hatred, the open racism that were seeing. There is an environment of it in the United States. We see it on fox news, we we see it on the internet and we see it from our commanderinchief. He is encouraging this. He doesnt just tolerate it, he encourages it, calling immigrants rapists and criminals and seeking to ban all people of one religion. Folks are responding to this. It doesnt just offend us, it encourages the violence were seeing including in my home town of el paso yesterday. I want to talk about that in a second but i want to share a picture of you visiting with a victim named rosemary who you said was shot in the chest but she is doing well after surgery. We want to bring as many attention to the victims of this as much as possible. So i do want to talk about how we can stop it and in one second but if you could tell me about that moment, meeting rosemary. Ive met her son on the flight back from las vegas. He approached me on the airplane, told me he had just learned that his mother had been shot in the chest. His grandmother had been shot in the stomach. His great aunt had already been shot. And he was flying back to el paso and he asked if i would join him going to University Medical center. Where i met rosemary. Both of her lungs punctured, her lungs being drained as i was talking to her. A big smile on her face, just extraordinary courage, not only was she shot but her mom and aunt was also shot. Her family around her. These extraordinary caregivers at University Medical certainti certainties Medical Center and nurses working 14 hours and doctors seeing multiple patients with gunshot wounds. Just really moved me and makes me so incredibly proud of rosemary, her family and families all across el paso right now. Who should never have to demonstrate this kind of courage and yet nonetheless are doing so. Met families who have not heard from a Family Member and fear the worst. Have called del sol Medical Center and umc, dont know where their mom or dad are, fear they are one of the at least 20 who are dead already. And our resolve to ensure that this changes. And i heard that from so many people yesterday. They want this to change. This cannot be the normal for the United States of america. And i know this community is going to do everything within our power to make sure that it is not. So, congressman, you wrote on twitter and said publicly in el paso, President Trumps racism does not just offend our sensibilities it changes the character of this country and leads to violence. Now, the document that this terrorist in el paso that Law Enforcement is investigating whether he posted this document which refers to latinos comes to the country as an invasion which you noted is language that weve heard from the president of the United States. It also says, and i know it is hard to make sense of any of this tough. But it also said that he had this ideology before President Trump and anticipated, assuming this document is real, the alleged terrorist anticipated people would blame President Trump for it and said i felt this way before President Trump. I dont know the point that youre trying to make here, jake, but it is pretty obvious to me and anyone who listened to the president and look at the facts that his antiimmigrant rhetoric, not just the things that i cited, but calling asylumseekers animal or an infestation. You may describe a cockroach or termites as an infestation or something less than human or someone in the third richt as a infestation or sub human but that is what the president of the United States is doing and it is not just with mexican immigrants, conflating ilhan omar with the immigrants from 9 11 and encouraging the chanting in North Carolina of send her back. Lets not mince words right now. This president is encouraging greater racism and not just the racist rhetoric but the violence that so often follows. This shooter in the manifesto cites in part for his inspiration the shooter in Christchurch New Zealand who cites donald trump as his inspiration. This antiimmigrant rhetoric, and again it is not just President Trump, but hes certainly as the person in the position of greatest public trust in power most responsible for it, this is fox news, this is what were seeing on the internet, this is the toleration of intolerance and racism in this countrimey, and this is wh were seeing here today and it will continue to happen unless we call it out and unless we change it. The fbi director Christopher Wray has warned congress about the increasing threat of White Supremacy in the past. I want you to take a listen to something fbi director wray said in april of this year. Weve seen an increase in the reporting of hate crimes and the fbis own number of hate crime cases have increased. The danger i think of White Supremacy, violent extremism or any other kind of violent extremism is persist enent pervasive threat. If the kind of shootings weve seen in el paso or in california in which the individual there was suspected to have white supremacist ideology, and other White Supremacists murders, the tree of life synagogue in pittsburgh and on and on, if those were muslim men committing those crimes, how do you think congress would be reacting as opposed to the fact that it is White Supremacists committing these crimes . They werent muslim men committing those crimes. I know. That is my point. So lets focus on what the problem is. Thats what im saying. Yeah. Well, so lets focus on the problem that the fbi director has called out to members of congress and to this country. We have a problem with White Nationalist terrorism in the United States of america today. So i dont want to confuse people about what is going on or use a hypothetical about what if this was somebody else from a different background or profile. These are white men motivated by the kind of fear that this president traffics in. The mosque in victoria, texas, was burned to the ground on the same day that President Trump signed his order attempting to ban muslim travel to the United States of america when he says after charlottesville that klansman and white supremacist and neonazis are very fine people, the commander in chief is sending a very public signal to the rest of the country about what is permissible and in fact even when he encourages to happen. So lets connect the dots here on what is happening and why it is happening and who is responsible for this right now. And the fact that it will take all of us, republicans, democrats, independents alike, rising up, standing up to be counted against what this president is doing, against this White Nationalist racism, against this violence and getting this country back. They are saying that our differences are, in fact, dangerous. If your a muslim, youre inherently dangerous. If you are a immigrant, you are inherently dangerous. If you are an asylumseeker, you are invading this country or infestation, those words have very real consequences. You dont get Mass Shootings like these and torch mosques or put kids in cages until you have a president who is given people permission to do that and that is exactly what is happening in the United States of america today. Just to be clear, im not trying to confuse anybody, there seems a glaring double standard in how Law Enforcement and Congress Talks about the incidents. These are white supremacist terrorist acts over and over and over in which people are being murdered. And i was trying to offer a hypothetical if it were a different group, i feel like it would be a red alarm fire, fouralarm fire. But let me move on. Because during one of the debates, your 2020 opponent governor jay inslee of washington said that President Trump is a, quote, White Nationalist, that is a stark accusation, do you agree with that . Do you think President Trump is a White Nationalist . Yes. I do. And again from some of the record that i just recited to you, the things that he has said both as a candidate and then as the president of the United States, this cannot be open for debate. And you as well as i have a responsibility to call that out, to make sure that the American People understand what is being done in their name by the person who holds the highest position of public trust in this land. He did not even pretend to respect our differences or to understand that we are all created equal. He is saying that some people are inherently de defect fif and something you hear in the rooikt and based on the countries they come from and calling those in africa shit hole nations and would like to have more immigrant from nordic countries, the whitest places on the earth today and lets be clear who the president is, he is an open avowed racist and encouraging more racism in this country and this is incredibly dangerous for the United States of america right now. All of us have a responsibility to stand up and be counted on this issue. You went home to el paso yesterday after the shooting to spend some time with your wife and your children. There are a lot of parents across the country right now trying to talk to their kids about this or even debating whether or not they should tell their kids about it. What did you tell your kids about what happened in el paso in. I was laying down with my youngest henry who is 8 years old. And he was asking me question after question after question about why this is happening. For him and really frankly for me, it is so hard to believe that this happened in el paso. It is one of the safest places in america. And safe in large part because of our differences. A quarter of those with whom we live were born somewhere else. Chose this country. Made us better by their presence. Why is this happening here in why would somebody come to our community i dont know how he got here but it is a 10, 11, 12hour drive to come here in order to do this. Some of this ive explained to you in terms of what our president has done, in terms of this environment of racism in this country, really hard, though, for a child to understand why anyone would do this to anyone else. But my responsibility, your responsibility is to make this better for henry and for the generations that follow ours. They need to know that we knew exactly what was happening and in the face of that, we stood up and did the right thing. And im 100 focused on doing that right now. Former congressman beto orourke from his home city of el paso. A city grieving today. Good luck to you and your fellow citizens. It is a horrible day and were all thinking about you. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you, jake. Were learning more about the deadly shooting in dayton, ohio, as well. That shooter targeted people out doors in a downtown Entertainment District and the mayor said the shooter killed nine people and injured 26 in less than a minute using an ar15style rifle with a highcapacity magazine and joining us now is mayor brown. All of us watching are offering our deepest condolences to everyone in dayton and the state of ohio. The shooting happened 13 hours after the horrific massacre, the terrorist attack really in el paso. What was your reaction when you heard the news of what was going on in your home state . Well, of course sadness and but also anger. Because as i spoke to the mayor earlier this morning, mayor whaley who is mayor of that great ohio city and she said she has gotten literally dozens and dozens of texts and emails from mayors around the country offering condolences but advice because they have seen this in their cities. City after city after city. And the response i had in addition to sadness is anger that Congress Still doesnt do itson. The house of representatives has passed background check legislation, the senate could meet tomorrow, i hope that senator mcconnell would bring the senate back tomorrow sand pass the background check bill and send it to the president. The president must sign it. Period. The mayor of dayton had an emotional reaction at a press conference this morning describing how she felt having her city join that long list of places in america to experience a mass shooting. Just this year having it so close to home must make it even worse. I know youve been trying to stop Mass Shootings but tell us about what it is like for people you know to be involved . It is i know dayton very well. Ive been in the oregon district 40 or 50 times probably in my life. And it is just hard to understand why this happens and how this happens and it particularly is hard to understand why our government continues to let it happen. I was part of the bill many years ago to ban assault weapons in this country. It passed. It passed with a good vote. It was the law for a number of years. President bush ii supported it because of the nra congress did not renew the assault weapon ban. And it worked. It was working. The fact that this many team were killed and injured, you reported in less than a minute the mayor told me it was less than 30 seconds from the first shot until the Police Arrived and killed the shooter. And she said to me, hundreds could have died if the Police Response hadnt been that quick. That is the only good news in this, how great the Police Response was. But the fact that he had a weapon that could have that an assault weapon that could have killed so many people with enough bullets and magazines to mow down virtually anybody along that street and in those clubs and in those buildings, just tells me that congress is just got to act and say no to the gun lobby for the first time and Mitch Mcconnells life is the leader of the senate. We have some indication as to what motivated the alleged terrorist shooter in el paso. Do you have any information you can share with us about the identity or the motive of the dayton shooter . Only that the mayor said it was a young white male. I believe she may have said his age, i believe early 20s but i dont know for sure. He came not from the city of dayton, he came from a town in Montgomery County nearby, that is the county dayton is in and that is all that i know. I assume the police already know a good bit more than that. Im connie and i are on the way to dayton soon after this interview is completed. Weve left our home in cleveland this morning and heading south and going to dayton and will be there sometime this afternoon. Is there any reason to believe that there is any connection whatsoever between what happened in el paso and what happened in dayton, a copy cat or a similar white supremacist ideology in is there any indication as of now . I have no way of knowing that. I just would ask i would just hope the president would would begin to try to would stop the divisive racist rhetoric that he has employed increasingly. He did it in the campaign in 16. Many thought that would be enough to keep him from winning but more importantly he does it even more now and i just remember what barack obama did after sandy hook and what barack obama did after charleston. He went there. His job was to heal the country and to comfort people, the victim and families and the whole country and to heal the country. And i go back to president bush, second president bush after 9 11, he went to a mosque and he said, muslims didnt attack our country, terrorists did. And i wish the president of the United States would show the leadership of either of his predecessors and stop the racist divisive talk and start the healing process. Some of the democrats running for president not only are faulting the president for his rhetoric but saying that that rhetoric in their view, you heard congressman beto orourke, leads to this and causes violence. Do you agree or does that go too far . I dont know. I cant prove anything. But i do know that weve had two president s, the two preceding president s who have dealt with terrible terrorism and Mass Shootings, tried to heal and this president doesnt. I dont i know that White Supremacists feel empowered with this president. I know that. It is clear they feel empowered when he attacks people and i saw the chants coming out of the crowd in i think in North Carolina to send them back. And i just it breaks my heart because weve never had our country is better than this. Our country is just better than this kind of divisive racist talk by a president of the United States. And im just always praying and hoping for something better. I guess the thoughts and prayers that my colleagues that always stand with the nra, i guess i hope theyre thoughts and prayers will go for the president to begin to heal and stop the racist divisive talk and i would hope some of my colleagues would, one, stand up to the gun lobby, and second, talk to the president about doing better about all of this. You noted that the u. S. Senate, which time and again from sandy hook to parkland has failed to take any action to try to make sure that guns do not get into the hands of people who would use them against innocent people. Right now there is a bipartisan background check bill that the house passed in february as you noted. It is waiting to be taken up by your chamber. Do you have any confidence that majority leader mcconnell will allow a vote on it . No. I know the power of the nra. Ive had a lifetime with the nra and in my political career i know theyve spent a lot of money against me. I know they attack politicians like me. And i know that my republican colleagues that are supported by the nra know that. And i dont know that they lack courage, but they certainly have shown no sign of standing up to the gun lobby and i dont know what to say to that question about what the chances are. I just hope that Public Officials will do their job and their job is to stand with the American People and stand up for Public Health and Public Safety in a better society. And as i said, i will say again, how important it is that Mitch Mcconnell call the senate back on monday. We could pass the background check bill in an afternoon and people could get back on a plane and go back to their homes and their children and grandchildren and whatever else theyre doing in august in the evening. We could do it that fast and we would all then we do a resounding vote and the president of the United States perhaps would feel compelled to sign the bill. There are more than 20 people db running for president and they have introduced far more sweeping legislation beyond background checks, from gun licensing from cory booker and from buybacks and youre from a red state and in the senate since 2007. Do you think your party should focus on gun proposals to get through the senate as opposed to more farreaching plans. What are you views on that. I want to do something in response to this awful series of attacks on our ones, defenseless citizens and start with the background check bill tomorrow. And then Congress Gets serious about the assault weapon ban which congress has passed in the past with bipartisan support, a number of republicans supported it, president bush supported it, i believe he he never signed it, to be clear, president clinton signed it but president bush tried to get it through congress to renew it when it expired so there are prominent republicans that support this and those are two things that we could do quickly and i i dont know what is next after that. We know that both of those work and we know that in my state the gun lobby is every bit as powerful with the governor and with the state legislature as it is in washington and i pray that my state will respond and do the right thing here too. Senator sherrod brown, democrat of ohio. It is good to see you. Sorry it is under these circumstances. Good luck in dayton today. Thank you, jake. Coming up, much more on our breaking News Coverage of the two deadly Mass Shootings. 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Get published now, call for your free publisher kit today welcome back to state of the union on this horrible, grief hi stricken sunday. Were following breaking news out of el paso and dayton, ohio. Dozens have been killed and two separate Mass Shootings. Joining me now to respond to this horrible news, 2020 president ial candidate south bend mayor Pete Buttigieg. Thank you for joining us on this rough day. These two shootings, el paso, dayton, some of the deadliest between them, left 29 dead and 42 injured in a 13hour span. Do you think this will spur lawmakers into action . Well, every time this happens we say never again. We say were going to do something. We say its going to change and it hasnt. Ive been thinking a lot about the same debate and the same cycle has been going on my entire adult life and im wondering what it will take to get the sense of urgency, to get washington to actually respond. Especially when americans frankly in both parties want to see changes. At least some basic common sense measures on gun safety and not to mention the need to stand up to White Nationalist terrorism and we have to call that what it is if year going to fight it. I wonder what it will take to deliver the sense of urgency, after sandy hook, we said surely after this. And time and time again this is happened. At the end of the day, without political change, i dont know that well get the solutions we need, but if this doesnt do it, i dont know what will. You have a personal connection to the mall where the massacre in el paso took place. What was your emotional reaction when you first heard the news of that shooting . When i heard the word cielo vista, i remembered being excited my grandmother would take me to the mall because i would visit every summer. As americans should be able to think of shopping malls, as a place to grab something or a place that teenagers look forward to going to and instead it is a place where americans were murdered in a terrorist attack. And it is happening all over. To go from el paso to dayton in a matter of hours, and meanwhile to continue to deal with the fact that we lose so many lives, one at a time, to gun violence on a daily basis around the country, including in my home town. We cannot continue accepting the unacceptable. As if nothing could be done. We are the only country in the developed world where this happens routinely and we rub our hands as though there was a cosmic force. This is the consequence of policy failures. It is time to act. There is still so much we dont know about both of the shootings. Your gun safety plan calls for a variety of measures for banning military style semiautomatic rifles to establishing a nationwide gun licenses and i dont have to list the atrocities for legislation far less than what you are suggesting, closing the gun hole loophole and legislation that every time fails, is there a proposal that you have to end these Mass Shootings or occur veil th or curtail them that u think could get through the senate. In america things are impossible until they happen. And time and timek of something hopefully, we have seen policy breakthroughs around issue after issue in this country. It is time for gun safety to be that issue where the impossible became possible. And by the way, how could it be impossible, at least to deliver Something Like universal background checks. 90 of americans and most republicans and gun owners want to see happen. Either this senate needs to be responsible to the American People or needs to be replaced and not to mention a president that will do something about gun safety in this country and standing up to White Nationalist terror. And as a journalist, ive literally been covering the debate over the gun show loophole since you were in high school. I remember covering it in 1999 and interviewing john mccain when he said he would support closing the gun show loophole and that didnt pass the senate. There is a tweet out there, i forget who wrote it, something along the lines the moment this country decided that it was acceptable for 20 first and second graders to be massacred of sandy hook was the moment this country decided it would not do gun control no matter what. Look, at the beginning of the decade it was considered preposterous that somebody like me could be married in this decade at least in the state of indiana. We have to believe in the possibility of political change but we also have to hold ore leader accountable when they fail to deliver it. And this isnt just a policy issue. This is a cultural issue. A question of how we handle responsible gun ownership. Here is something to think about this sunday morning. Is a gun or tool or an idol . Any time ive carried or handled a weapon, whether in afghanistan for selfdefense or whether it was to go skeet shooting or hunting, i viewed it as a tool. But if the gun corporation lobby, which is what the nra is, now has people viewing guns as a thing to be loved, a thing to be protected, a think that is a source of our freedom and power and a think to which we are willing to sacrifice human life, isnt that the definition of a false god . Weve got to change our thinking. We can absolutely honor Second Amendment rights for responsible gun owners without shooting down even foe the most basis common sense measures to save american lives, including our children. Or we could fail yet again. The choice is right in front of us. The question is whether were serious about this or not. We cant go on like this. I was part of what i feel like was the first generation where School Shootings were routine and now weve seen a second. Are we going to allow there to be a third or be proud of what weve done, by five or ten years from now on the current track were on, we already have more guns than people in this country and theyre saying about 2030 there will be 130 million more guns on the street. We could tell our kids by 2030 that we finally changed. Or we could let it be one of those issues that we just accept the unacceptable for as long as we live. At the beginning of the interview you talked about how there were two dimensions to this, the gun laws and the White Supremacists ideology. Lets turn to the White Supremacists ideology. Police are investigating this document, this screed filled with White Nationalist and racist hatred towards latinos and immigrants. They believe it to be written by the alleged terrorist in el paso, texas. Now you said in response to the el paso massacre, america is under attack from homegrown White National terrorism and referenced 9 11 inspiring your generation into action and called for similar action once again. Why do you think there is a reluctance in the congress and the fbi to label and investigate white supremacist terrorism, which is what were seeing, in a way that there is no reluctant to condemn other form of terrorism, islamist or other kinds . I think it is because our politicians are embarrassed. Certainly our white house is embarrassed. There is a parallel between the failure of keeping our elections safe from russian interference because acknowledging that is a problem would embarrass the president who benefited from it and the con frontation of White Nationalist terrorism is the president stoking the feelings in the country to begin with. But it is time to turn the page and move on and tully do something. This administration actually cut funding for Homeland Security programs on countering violent extremism. And has, as far as i could tell, produced no National Strategy on terrorism. After 9 11 we score up and down we would be different and this would change and being attacked by terrorists would make us better than we were. What about this time . Is being attacked by terrorists now homegrown White Nationalist tastes going to make us better or worse and more divided. The choice is ours but it requires leadership and were not getting that leadership from the white house or Congressional Republicans. Now if the white house is beyond redemption, so be it. But Congressional Republicans have a choice. Every member of congress right now and the senate in the republican, at least some of th know better and one of the reasons so many of them are leaving is because they dont have the heart to stay or the courage to stand up to the current reality. If there was ever a time for that to change it is now. What is the current reality . Congressman beto orourke and governor jay inslee have said they think President Trump is a White Nationalist. Do you . Yeah. At best hes condoning and encouraging White Nationalism. When you have people chanting jews will not replace us and the president sees very fine people there, we have a president who made his career politically on demonizing mexicans and the shooter yesterday had the goal of killing as many mexicans as possible, you dont have to use a lot of imagination to connect the dots here. It is very clear that this kind of hate this being legitimized from on high. And if that were not true the president would be acting and speaking very, very differently than what hes doing right now. One last question. The alleged shooter in el paso could be facing of a case where probably could get very strong support for somebody like this, a White Nationalist, assuming hes found guilty in a court of law, a White Nationalist or White Supremacists murdering innocent people because of their race or color of their skin. But you dont support capital punishment. Would you oppose it in this case as well in. If your against it, then youre against it. And of course we could find cases of heinous situations. People perhaps who deserve to die. Just never met anybody who deserves to kill. Fair enough. Mayor Pete Buttigieg, thank you for joining us. Horrible day. Really appreciate your time. Thank you. Two horrific Mass Shootings in one awful weekend. Dozens killed in texas and ohio. 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Unspeakable horror on one weekend, actually within 13 hours of each other, at least 29 killed after one gunman targets an El Paso Texas walmart and another opens fire in an Entertainment District in toledo, ohio. Two deadly Mass Shootings in the span of 13 hours. Our experts are with us to talk about this. And governor mcauliffe weve heard from the president ial candidates today and well hear from senators cory booker and Julian Castro later. It is clear your party wants to enact some further gun restrictions, whether it is closing the gun show loophole, but i dont know that it could get through the senate. I dont any that senator Mitch Mcconnell will allow a vote on it. I dont think it will. That is why elections matter. That is why next year we need to win control of the United States senator. If we had control and senate of the house, as governor, i put up dozens of gun control bills and my Republican Legislature killed it in the morning, 6 30, no recorded vote. But how many times does this have to happen until people rise up. And i go back to the point, elections matter. This is driven by the president of the United States of america. We have to stop him and his hate speech but we need common sense gun restrictions. 95 of americans are for universal background checks. Look at what you have to go through to get on a plane, to get a drivers license. You ought to go through the same procedure to get one of these weapons. Lets put a pin in it for one second as to what you refer to President Trumps hate speech but well talk about guns and talk about that in a second. Are you a gun owner. I am a gun owner. Do you think there is anything that could pass. I think there is a difference of owning a pistol that i do, a revolver and owning a semiautomatic weapon that is meant to kill only people. The guns being used were not meant for hunting or target practice. They are meant to be used in war to kill people. And i think that even as a republican, as somebody who supports the right of individuals to own guns, i do not think that individuals have the right to own automatic or semiautomatic weapons. So senator santorum, i know youre a strong supporter of gun rights, take a look at poll numbers when it comes to public support for gun safety measures. These are all from a quinnipiac poll, a different poll. One of them universal back ground checks, 94 support. Another one mandatory waiting period for gun purchases from 2018, 83 support. And a poll from in year may, 77 requiring individuals to obtain a license before being able to purchase a gun. That is a rather far reaching measure tough to get through the senate. But public sentiment is with further restrictions on gun ownership and the u. S. Senate is not. Public is for it until you have a discussion about what the consequences are. And this is everyone said well why doesnt this happen in it doesnt happen in the vacuum. It happens because there is actually a debate about it. There is actually we look the at consequences of it. And what are the consequences of it . The consequences of it that criminals and people would do bad things are not worried about gun laws in order to get guns. But lawabiding people do. And what you see from the shootings that take place, several of them this year, which is lawabiding people not police but other lawabiding people come and stop these things. Why . Because they have the right to own guns. So taking that right away from lawabiding people doesnt do anything to reduce the amount of crime and can make things worse. Texas is a concealed carry state and, you know, that gunman, that horrible person is not worried about violating gun laws. But wasnt worried about anybody packing heat in walmart. They go to soft targets. Thats exactly right. The whole point is that when you restrict guns to lawabiding people, you make more soft targets. What lawabiding person needs an ar15 or ak weapon . These are not weapons that are used for anything. They are used to kill people. They were invented for use in war and their only target s are to kill people. These people are bought and paid for by the nra. Jergerrymandering districts. I want you to respond to that, but the mayor of baltimore, these Mass Shootings are so horrific get attention from the media and public, in terms of homicide and gun deaths its the little girl in south baltimore at 7 years old, the handguns quite often more than the semi automatic weapons and its the oneoffs, often in urban america. The one offs, two offs. Many times in baltimore and across the country, were having nine shootings in a weekend. And i never thought that i would say theres a point in which senator santorum and i agree, but today, the fact is that i think the polls are correct. People want something done. People want common sense reform but theres a debate about how to get there. We have to talk real about the path forward. We cant keep talking about the polls and saying what people stand for, what people want to have done without people willing to have those critical conversations about how we get to better common sense, gun reform. We know we have to get there, but we need legislators, people in congress who have the courage to stand up to do something. I disagree. We have had conversation long enough. We know how to get there. We know we need universal background checks in this country. We have debated this to death. Ive debated it as a governor. Enough. It is time for the talk to stop. It is time to take action. With all due respect the areas that have the strictest gun control have some of the highest crime rates. The idea that gun control is going to solve a problem is just not factually correct. It doesnt work. Saves lives. 3 million guns in america and what youre worried about is transferring of one to another . For people who laws or not. Youre politicizing it. This is the most frustrating there are people who are suffering right now. Were talking about a proposal that will have no impact point. Mayor . Theres a debate about how we get there. Its clear Many Democrats feel strongly theres a path forward. Its also clear if you talk to republicans off camera that many of them know that they have to do better with putting rules in place, putting laws in place to make america safer. We have to create a safe space for people to have that conversation without it being a litmus test for whether youre going to lose your nra card or not be a strong democrat. I want to echo what governor mcauliffe said. Donald trump said he was going to stand up to the nra after the parkland shootings and the next day, because the nra gives a lot of money to Republican Party candidates, reversed himself. The nra is a corrupt organization. It is filled with people who are self dealing. It is people who are enriching themselves. They are not representing lawabiding gun owners. They are representing a political motivation and the nra has to be taken on, on this subject. Without taking issue with that, i want to ask, as a former lawmaker, is the nras power, do you think i understand a lot of people philosophical agree with the nra and the senate. Do you think the nras power is more in their money or more in the fact that theyre able to mobilize thousands of voters . Theyre powerful because of votes, because people who are out there, who support what the nra is talking about. The idea that this is about corruption or this is about money, its about people who are passionate about making sure that we have a safe country and that we keep our liberties and freedoms. We could talk about guns the rest of the hour. I want to change to Something Else that is part of the el paso terrorist attack, which is White Supremacy. From the texas land commissioner, republican george p. Bush who wrote i proudly served in afghanistan, naval officer where our mission was to fight and kill terrorists. Fighting terrorism remains our priority, which means Standing Firm against white terrorism. Thats the first time ive heard the term white terrorism. But it fits perfectly. Were seeing an epidemic. Exactly right. El paso was picked, i believe, because its an 85 hispanic community. There is a lot of hatred out there. Every time im on television i get hate mail that says for me to come back where i came from, and they dont mean ireland, which is where the immigrants in my family came from. There is a sentiment now in which the president of the United States talks about infestation. He talks about an invasion repeatedly. He is fueling this hate and i believe that he has a responsibility to stop it and to stop it now. Governor mcauliffe, you have a new book out called beyond charlottesville taking a stand against White Nationalism. We heard from the president ial candidates today who say that President Trumps rhetoric against nonwhite christian americans, against immigrants, migrants, whomever, encourages violence. Thats what beto orourke said starkly. Do you agree . Absolutely. The president s rhetoric, his hate speech. You know when he started his administration, banning those muslim countries, i. C. E. Raids and the worst was charlottesville when neo nazis and White Supremacists, saying yous will not replace us. Look at what the manifesto from the person in el paso, ethnic replacement. Talking about trumps white identity. David duke in charlottesville saying that trump is bringing us back to a White America again. And then all the statements by the president over the last couple of months. Donald trump came out as a fullfledged racist in charlottesville. I was there. I heard what these people said. Donald trump said they were fine people. Jake, they were not fine people. The neo nazis with their swastika swastikas. He incites this. He is culpable. I dont blame the president for specific acts but i do blame the president for the atmosphere he has created in this country. Hatred and division. Most recently, mayor rawlingsblake, he has attacked baltimore. Some say he was just returning fire from Elijah Cummings but other people said they found those attacks against baltimore, no human being would want to live there, rode enter and ratinfested, racist. Not even racially tinged, racist. What do you say . Hes wrong for so many reasons. The fact that you say he returned fire thats what his sporters said. I didnt say it. Congressman cummings is doing his job. The president should do his, which is to represent all of america. I wouldnt be made if someone from pittsburgh you know, we hate the steelers. Hate the ravens. Hes from pittsburgh. So you get it, right . I wouldnt be mad if someone from pittsburgh said it or during football season or someone from boston said it. But when youre the president , youre supposed to be the president of all of the what you consider the great parts and the gritty parts, too. Imagine if something that happened in dayton happened in baltimore, no one would want to see the president step foot there. His role is to unite us, like it or not. You take that role, youre supposed to love every part of this country and defend it against everyone. What hes doing is wrong. Its wrong and theres something wrong with him if he thinks its acceptable. Senator . Two points. Number one, i agree. You heard me say this. The president s rhetoric is over the top. And he needs to be more conscious of the fact that the rhetoric he uses can be twisted to paint a picture that is not a very complimentary picture for anybody, and he seems to just be oblivious to that. Here is the situation where they can take his rhetoric and say look, you know, i give the governor credit for not saying im not blaming him for this specific instance, which you cant and no one should. They will but no one should. The bottom line is, he is creating the opportunity for people to twist. The second thing, listen to the rhetoric going back. That rhetoric is equally as racist and equally as difficult for the left to do the same thing, and no one is blaming them for the violence. It goes both ways when it comes to the overhypotheticaled rhetoric. Because theres no leftive manifesto that someone is leaving after a shooting. There is. One shooting. Theres more than another hour of state of the union starts right now. Announcer this is cnn breaking news. Im jake tapper in washington. The state of our