After weeks of ugly words and open racial divides comes the 60th anniversary of the decision, brown versus board of education. Words that mattered. Without brown, would he be governor of massachusetts . Who knows. I dont think so. A conversation with governor patrick about why its so hard to talk about race, how his friend, barack obama is faring and his worries about Hillary Clinton and then the obama administrations twilight years. The growing distance between democrats and the white house and all things cloak and dagger with the chair of the Senate Intelligence committee, Dianne Feinstein. Plus no matter who you are and where you come from, the path is always forward. Why would the rising star mayor of san antonio move to washington to become secretary of housing in an administration with more past than future. Our Political Panel adds to the latest buzz. This is state of the union. Im Candy Crowley in washington. It is 12 p. M. On the east coast, 9 a. M. Out west. And thats where we begin, where Southern California wildfires fuelled by droughtfierce winds and record high temperatures have burned almost 30,000 acres. Most of the fires are now largely contained, residents are returning home but many are still on edge because they have already seen 1500 wildfires this year, well above the yearly average of 800. Joining me now, california governor jerry brown. Governor it is good to see you, good to hear you are perhaps gaining on these fires. Give us an update. Wither gaining. A few more fires have been put out. The 5,000 firefighters are getting ready to go back to their normal places where they live or they work. So, yeah, its progress for now, but we are in a very dry year, the third driest. And, yes, fires are going to be an everpresent threat and as this climate tilts drier and drier in the west, we are going to have mounting challenges and mounting expenses. And how do you meet these challenges . I know in our interview with our wolf blitzer earlier this week, you blamed Climate Change for some of the atmospheric and some of this but i wanted to draw to your attention something that the spokesman for cal fire, your fire agency, Daniel Berlant told the national geographic, weather does not cause fires, weather just causes a fire to burn. Its athe people that have the role of actually preventing that fire. So, moving forward and aside from a sort of longterm Climate Change policies, what now, look ac the whats been a pretty horrific year, should californians do . Well, not do anything stupid, of course, avoiding using first of all, throwing cigarette butts around or dangerous camp fires. That has to be controlled. And in many places, shouldnt occur at all but even driving using a different kind of equipment or driving tractors or certain vehicles can cause sparks. The sparks can cause fires. And of course, we have lightning and theres just a series of forces of which human beings are certainly a major component. But all this means we have to be readier. We have to take brush out from around buildings and homes. And have to have the equipment, the planes, the vehicles, the fire troops, to be able to handle these things. So, look, nature is powerful, more powerful than human beings, for sure. And we have to just watch and prepare and then act with coherence and leadership when the fires start. So, do you have the wherewithal to fight these fires at the rate at which they are seem to be occurring this year anyway . Well, we have the exactly yes to what you said, but if the fires continue, our fire season now, the last decade or two, has been 70 days longer. In fact, we have fire crews year round, instead of just being seasonal. So, we are gearing up. Things are changing. But you know, this world is still basically about nature. Its not about human beings and our machines and our toys. Were just a small part of a very large, overpowering system that we have to adapt to with great wisdom in preparation and investment. And thats what we are doing in california. We are ahead of the curve, but as that curve of dryness and fire, disasters continues to escalate, we are going to have to deploy more resources. Ive already signed a bill for 600 million. We will probably do more in the coming years. And we will do whatever it takes for humankind to live here in the state of california. Let me ask you, because you have been in your state and elsewhere, quite vocal about Climate Change and things to improve upon going into the future, a lot of people find it curious that you continue to allow and do not ban fracing in your state, pending a study which you have ordered up, but we know you are in a state with a drought and that fracing does, in fact, use water in order it powell those go ahead. There is a lot of water being used. There is a lot of concern about fracing and thats why we are spending millions of dollars and taking the time to understand as much as we can about the consequences, the water use, the seismic potential, the seismic activity that can be created by fracing, but and by the way, fracing in the new monterey shale out here is very small and before any big expansion occurs, we are going to have a lot more scientific and technological information. Fracing which is called well stimulation to get the oil and the water out of the ground, has been going on for in california for more than 50 years. So, we are not gonna shut down a third of our Oil Production and force more oil coming from north dakota, where they are fracing, a lot more to come by train or more boats and ships coming in from all over the world. Californians drive 332 billion, thats billion miles a year, fed almost entirely by oil products. So we have got to start hammering at the demand as well as the sources of fossil fuel. As far as the well stimulation that can be done with recycling water and thats one of the issues that our environmental analysis will provide some answers to over the next year. Governor, while i have you here, i want to turn to you two other subjects, someone you have, allowed the medical use of marijuana in your state. When i have talked to you, you have always put it in quotes, as many californians dork i think it is simply a cover for a a lot of people who do Recreational Marijuana smoking and other things. So, my question to you is now that colorado has had a couple of months under its belt, Washington State as well, have you given new consideration to allowing recreational use, which most people already think is going on in california . Not really. The real issue will come up the next time we have a general election in two years as to whether people want to go further and do you think its a good idea . I want to see what goes on in colorado. With the marijuana you talk about now, they tell me is a lot more powerful and before people get advertised and propagandized into using this chemical excessively, i think we ought to take a look at colorado and washington, see how it is. There is no big hurry here. We have medical marijuana available, 20minute conversation with any number of hundreds of doctors. So i think we have got the current use handled for now, but going forward, i think we ought to be very careful before which open the floor gates. I want to ask you a political question about your party. It looks at this moment as though there will not be much of a primary season for the democrats in 2016 and im wondering if you think what appears to be Hillary Clinton moving toward a candidacy, has so far frozen the rest of candidates who might be thinking about it, that there will be no competition during the primary season for democrats. Is that healthy for the party . Nch well, i dont know. If im Hillary Clinton, im probably glad there isnt. If there is some opposition out there, they are quite capable of running. Certainly, normally, there are challengers. But you know, each election is its own unique phenomenon. And today, the action is more on the republican side, but certainly, Hillary Clinton has a great opportunity to articulation the position she has, to the extent she is effective in galvanizing you that will be good for the democrats and the republicans can sort out how the elections will be. Elections are usually pretty exciting do resolve matters and certainly looking forward to the next president ial one to find out just how its gonna turn out. Me, too. Governor jerry brown, as always, we really thank you for your time. Thank you. Up next, his Humble Beginnings echo president obamas personal biography, so, will governor Deval Patrick follow in his friends footsteps and make a bid for the white house . I am totally blind. I began losing my sight to an eye disease when i was 10. But i learned to live with my blindness a long time ago. So i dont let my blindness get in the way of doing the things i love. But sometimes it feels like my body doesnt know the difference between day and night. I struggle to sleep at night, and stay awake during the day. I found out this is called non24, a circadian rhythm disorder that affects up to 70 percent of people who are totally blind. 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The boy grew up in south side chicago in a complex known as the Robert Taylor homes, once the largest housing complex in the country. He was raised by single mom, shared bunk bed with her and her sister in his grandparents twobedroom apartment. The golden dome state house on bostons beacon street is lifetimes away from that tenement apartment, the distance between the south side and the Corner Office paved with education. Without brown, would Deval Patrick be governor of massachusetts . Who knows . I dont think so. The actual decision, as you know, was just about desegregating the classrooms and just about desegregating Elementary School classrooms. But the import of brown was to, as i say, enable people to imagine a different kind of country and a different kind of community. And i think thats been huge. In the arc of civil rights history, place brown for me in terms of the importance for the advancement of life in the United States for africanamericans . I mean, there are kind of conspicuous examples, like barack obama is our president , or me as the first africanamerican governor of massachusetts. But i will say governor wilder, as you know, doug wilder, the first africanamerican elected governor in the country, governor of virginia, introduced me once in a marvelous way. And he said being he talked about the fuss thats always made about being the first. He said, being first doesnt mean a thing unless theres a second. There are so many seconds in so many quarters today because of brown and i think thats made us a better country. You talked about the promise of brown and the hope of brown. Has it failed in any way, do you think . Well, i think theres still work to do, and i think one of the jobs we have to do as americans is learn to talk about the journey toward justice around race and other ways of exclusion, because we have a hard time acknowledging at the same time the extraordinary progress weve made, much of it in my lifetime, and at the same time acknowledging how much work we have to do. In fact, i think sometimes when youve seen the conversations of the past couple weeks, when youve had an nba owner and a rancher in nevada, some place in the west, that the conversation seems to go places where it does no good. And then it gets dropped. Whats the conversation that needs to happen . Im not sure its just conversation, to tell you the truth, or even mainly conversation. Its about how people live, you know, who they choose as their friends, where they choose to live. I remember a friend of mine describing brown versus board of education as being the example of sending the kids in to do what the adults wouldnt do. The adults wouldnt live together, wouldnt integrate the neighborhoods, so we sent the kids in to integrate the schools. And the power, the enrichment of leading an integrated life around people who are indifferent, bringing them to your table, bringing them into your lives, into your friendships, into your love, which is how my wife and i have tried to raise our kids, and i think has made for a much richer life for us and i think in many, many other quarters, a richer country. This is the second time youve mentioned something sort of in connection with race, sort of outside the confines of a government solution. You talked about raised on the south side where everybody was your family and everybody was watching over you. You know whats happened to the south side of chicago. I do. Whats happened here, do you think, that this sense of family in all communities, were talking the Africanamerican Community because of brown. Whats happened . Well, i think its a critical question and i think sometimes i hear people talk about brown as responsible for the breakdown of that kind of sense of community. I dont think thats it at all. I do think there is a connectedness that in many, many quarters people no longer feel. We used to v not just the old ladies in church on the south side of chicago, but our public leaders encouraging us to turn to each other rather than on each other, talking about the stake in a Strong Community that we see not just in our own dreams and struggles, but in our neighbors as well. Thats one of the reasons i was drawn to president obamas candidacy, because he spoke in those terms. I think a lot of people connected to that because were hungry for that kind of connectedness. I want to talk to you about your friend, barack obama. You mean our president . Yeah, our president , barack obama. The recurring storyline you are beginning to see is he has been somewhat of a disappointment to liberals and to the Africanamerican Community. Im enormously proud of this president. I say that not just as a friend, but as a citizen. I remember i remember obviously much smaller scale, candy, at home, when i ran for the first time and how much euphoria there was. And we had a pretty rough few first months when it felt like folks were really working real hard to well, you know, i was making mistakes and folks were working real hard to say, see, you shouldnt have invested so much so much hope. Eight years later, weve got terrific results across the board and we have changed the paradigm in terms of focusing on governing for the next generation and not just the next election cycle or news cycle. And i think thats going to be the president s legacy as well. I want to read you something that appeared in the Washington Post about can anyone run against hillary, is there a nonhillary candidate . Uhoh. Whats in there . Deval patrick. The Massachusetts Governor has gone quiet after opening the door to at least thinking about a 2016 race earlier this spring. Patrick is a gifted speaker who would likely play well among activists on the stump. And if he was the lone africanamerican candidate in a hillaryless field, patrick would have a major leg up. Wow, thats very nice. What do you think . Im not a candidate. For sure for 2016 . No, you know, this is the first elected job ive had. And ive ive given it everything. Ive focused on it. We dont have term limits, so i could technically run again. I was telling you before, i have a term limit saying diane. And she said two terms and thats it, then back in the private sector, at least for a time, because i owe her some time and some earnings. Shes right. I respect Public Office and politics. I may yet run there was all this speculation because a whole lot of people said you really ought to think about it. And i appreciated that. And i said publicly ive been asked by a lot of people to think about it. And that turned into news. Who knew . And so youve thought about it. And the answer is no. This is not the time thats right for me. When you look at 2016, is hillary all the way, do you think . Well, i dont know. I guess i guess i worry a little bit. Shes an enormously capable candidate and leader, but i do worry about the inevitability thing, because i think its offputting to the average voter. I think that was an element of her campaign the last time. And i would just as an enthusiastic democrat, i just hope that the people around her Pay Attention to that this time around. Do you consider yourself a Hillary Clinton democrat . Is there such a thing . Well, or a joe biden democrat . You mean am i supporting somebody. An omalley democrat . I could go on. I havent endorsed. 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Switch now and add voice and tv for 34. 90. Comcast business built for business. Joining me now, chair of the Senate Intelligence committee, Dianne Feinstein of california. Thank you for being here. Appreciate it. Good morning. I want to talk first about that phenomenon known as a lame duck presidency. Were seeing on a number of issues, democrats beginning to back away a little from the president s position on a judge or on a specific issue. Have we entered that time as we look ahead to the midterms and we already know the 2016 president ial race is going, that you are looking at a president with less power . I dont think its backing away from him at all. I think one of the things thats happening is its so difficult to move anything through the senate because of the use of cloture by republicans so that virtually everything fails. We did have some good things, the agriculture bill, the immigration bill passed the senate. Those are two major bills. You needed him worse than things on those . Yes, thats true. I dont see the backing away. I actually believe my colleagues desperately want him to succeed. They want him to leave a legacy. Health care will be that legacy. If we get immigration through, it will be that legacy. I think he is concerned with getting out there, to some degree, maybe too much, because he has to concentrate on getting bills through. Thats my view. But i think his legacy has yet to be written, and i think thats where he will concentrate. One of the things that some democrats have objected to is a deal that the president made with republicans that allowed them one of their judicial nominees, that they wanted to see come through, as long as a group of them passed, groups of nominations on Michael Boggs, on social issues, in particular, they have real problems with him. Would you block that nomination . Would you vote against Michael Boggs . Well, not at this stage. I want to meet with him, i want to talk with him. I want him to go through the Committee Hearings first. I did do that. I think the questions are very apparent. I know he has some very strong support, even in the Africanamerican Community in the state of georgia. I have spoken to john lewis about him in the house and i have Great Respect for john lewis who felt that this was a good ticket. Ive got to do my own Due Diligence and when im ready, ill vote. I want to move you on, lots of conversation this week about Hillary Clinton and her health, brought up which karl rove, Top Republican strategist certainly to former president bush. He talked about her, her accident when she had a blood clot and was hospitalized. Even president clinton said it took six months to get over this. When you look at that argument, when you look at the benghazi argument, when you look at a number of things coming up along the way, what does it tell you about the nature of the battle coming up in 2016, should Hillary Clinton become the democratic nominee . First of all, the karl rove effort was pathetic. And i think its caused but legitimate . No. The health of the candidate . No. No. Not legitimate. The gist of it, that she has to be that she has sustained brain damage . Thats legitimate . The brain damage quote he denies. Will Hillary Clinton have to be more forthcoming with her health . In my view, shes in the prime of her political life. Shes articulate, she has the smarts, and has all of the elements of a good leader plus the fact, and this is not to be underestimated, she is enormously attractive to people. She carries the torch for women who are the majority of votes in this country very strongly and holds it very high. I think people respond to her. Do you worry that she is too early on this . We heard governor patrick say, i worry about this whole inevitability thing. I hope people are watching that because it tends to turn voters off. Well, this is hard for me because i did talk with her and thought it would be better that she not get out there early because her favorability was so high that all that could happen in this is go down because somebody would do the stupid things that karl rove has just done. But i think this. I think her book is coming out. I think the book will likely carry a good bit of her thinking on various big issues, certainly foreign policy, certainly the secretary of state, and we would have someone in the white house who would have a real background in foreign policy. And i think thats critical at this point in the world with russia expanding, with africa becoming real problems from a terror point of view and on and on and on. I want to talk to you about a couple of those things using your expertise as chair of the intelligence committee. The first is, as you know, the house set up a select committee on benghazi. It remains to be seen whether democrats will join in that new probe. There are republicans on the senate saying we either ought to join that probe or have our own select committee. You did a study. Are you satisfied now . Would you go along with a senate panel looking into this . I think its ridiculous. I think its a Hunting Mission for a lynch mob actually. I think thats whats going on. There have been four major reports. We spent a year and a half on a report. We held hearings. Thousands of pages were reviewed. The staff spent hours and weeks on it first. Thats the first thing. Homeland security in the senate did an investigation. The accountability review that came up, the pickeringmullen review. And i just dont if you compare it to ronald reagan, who is the big republican hero and what happened in beirut with three attacks, with 240 servicemen with seven cia officers, with one chief of station being tortured to death and reagan admitted we werent ready for it. Well, since then, a lot of things have been done. There were faults. The intelligence was there. Action should have been taken. Do you feel there were memos, as you now know, that didnt make their way to your committee or any of these other committees. They were revealed under the freedom of information act to an outside group. It was a memo from a spokesman from the National Security council saying rather someone on the National Security council saying, well, we want to put our best, you know, face forward in general, talking about the talking points. Do you feel that you know what happened in benghazi, why the ambassador and others were there on 9 11 despite cia reports despite that it was kind of just a hot bed of terrorist activity in benghazi at that point . Are you confident you know what happened with those talking points and it was not an attempt to mislead the American People . You think all those questions have been answered . I believe they have. And they certainly have been our report was bipartisan. And they were certainly answered to the satisfaction of the intelligence committee. Okay. Let me ask you about the kidnapped girls in nigeria. Is there anything new from an intelligence point of view that you can tell us about about what happened there . Well, were using all our technical means, working with other nations. As you know, france has become very active. All of that is good. I dont think theres any precise information at this time. I think there are real problems with the Nigerian Government and the Nigerian Military because there was notice that this was going to happen. The military did nothing. Boko haram has burned down 200 girls schools. The government has done nothing. So if you do nothing in the face of terror, it does one thing. It brings out more terror. And finally, i want to ask you, glenn greenwald, you know glenn greenwald, one of the folks who had Edward Snowden as a source and leaked a lot of information about the nsa. In his new book, he talks about the nsa leaving almost no stone unturned to just collect massive amounts of information, and one of the things he talked about was a plan that intercepts computer equipment and retrofitting it with spyware at ports headed out of the u. S. To other countries. Well, i havent read his book. I just saw it for the first time in the green room, as a matter of fact, so im not going to comment. Does that sound familiar at all though, like taking computers no. No, it does not. I can look into it. It does not sound familiar. I can tell you this, we just went through the opening of the 9 11 museum. I know they will come after us if they can. I see the intelligence. Terror is not down in the world. It is up, both deaths, injuries, in many, many different places. Al qaeda has metastasized. The question becomes how does we prevent an attack in this country . Now, the program thats been so criticized, the 215 program, begins with a targeted terrorist who is abroad calling into this country. Its not a surveillance program. Right. What it is is a Data Collection program. Some of that is going to be changed. The House Judiciary Committee has passed a bill. The House Intelligence Committee has passed a bill. We are looking at those bills. It may be that we can find a way to make some improvements that will solve everyones problem with it to a great extent. I am over time at this point. I have to ask you, if you can, in one word or a sentence. You have oversight over the cia. You and the cia have had significant differences, particularly over the handling of the report on torture at the cia. What is your relationship now with the cia . Well, my relationship is good. Better . No. Whats interesting what i have to do is oversight. Im not there to be the most popular person in any building. Its to see that my committee is diligent, that we do the work of oversight, that when theyre wrong, we do something about it. When theres something going on that shouldnt be, we do something about it. Thank you so much, Dianne Feinstein. Thank you. When we return, san antonio mayor, julian castro, took center stage at the 2012 Democratic National convention. For my generation and all the generations to come, our choice is clear. Our choice is a man who has already chosen us, a man who already is our president , barack obama. Castro has mostly avoided the glare of washingtons spotlight, until now. 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I, you know, bring you henry cisneros, once also thought of as an upandcomer who said to cnn about castro, its a lot more likely he can get oven that ticket, meaning as a Vice President ial contender, from the National Office than the mayors job. He will grow into a nationalcaliber talent. We all thought that. He wants to take a job so hell look as a number two on the ticket. What strikes you about this news . Well, i guess the fact that were talking now about 2016, when we talk about the national ticket. And were talking about the Democratic Party that has succeeded, in part, because of its ability to attract minority voters and women, and we know theres one woman who is potentially on the top of the ticket. Who could it be, if not her and who could a running mate be . And there are not many, despite all the facts that democrats get latino votes, there arent many highprofile latino elected officials in big positions, in big jobs. Seems kind of funny to have onthejob training at the housing department. Well, candy, i have to jump in with a bit of substance here. Hes the mayor of the seventh largest city in the United States. He successfully got the Business Community to back an initiative to raise the sales tax in 2012 to fund expanded prek for the Education System down there which was a major deal and passed comfortably. A tax increase in a year that wasnt seeing a lot of tax increases. If he were nominated, hed be a very strong candidate for this job. It does look its kind of the waning years of the administration, so is this a policy pick or a political pick . Its a good political pick for the president. It is a smart pick. It also tells you something about their estimation of texas, which is youre not going to go from being the mayor of san antonio and the governor of texas any time in the near future. Cisneros almost pulled out, he might go by being secretary of hud, becoming a national youll be seen a lot more in houston and dallas if youre the secretary of hud than the mayor of san antonio. I think it says texas is going to remain a very republican state despite all the early hype for wendy davis. Thats likely to remain true for a long time. I want to look at the other side of this equation. We heard from Chris Christie this week who was talking to Bob Schieffer who asked him the question. Take a listen. Sorry. We dont have it. Schieffer said, hey, are you thinking about running for president and when will you decide . Christie said yes and later. Yes, later. Later. He also said this week he didnt think bridgegate, as its come to be known, will affect at all his standing should he run for president . Are we at that place . What is he supposed to say . Yes, ive been mortally wounded. How about well let the Voters Decide . There are plenty of us to say hes been mortally wounded. If you list everyone currently thinking of running for president. I think there are 116. And later. This is the most open republican nomination since 1940. I think there are no frontrunners, just a lot of runners. I think the bridgegate thing, in many respects, is going to be a smaller road bump on his path if he wants to run than a host of other issues, especially the sandy funding. Thats really where conservatives get upset with Chris Christie is the way he demanded money from the government, the way he chastised republicans who wanted to pare back some of that sandy aid and how its getting spent. Is the republican field large enough to encompass a jeb bush, a Chris Christie, that kind of seen as mainstream sure. He talked about how it would be hard to run against jeb bush because hes friends. Because they share a lot of donors. Because the money race comes first. More importantly, their friends are friends. Exactly. 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