Well, the global concern is so high, jim, that the belgians took a very unusual decision to deploy troops in the streets of two belgian cities, soldiers for the first time in more than 30 years this weekend. Its only about going to approach about 300 soldiers in all, but its still a very symbolic gesture putting them out to defend embassies, government buildings as well as jewish institutions, synagogues and so on. The belgian prosecutor in charge of the investigation keeping his cards very close to his chest. So far not identifying the two suspects who were killed in a gun battle with Belgian Police on thursday when police started their round of raids. The belgians say that they intercepted a cell that was planning to attack Belgian Police officers and they found Police Uniforms in the custody in the possession of these suspects. They have since pressed charges against five belgian citizens accusing them of participation in a terrorist organization. Three of them are currently in belgian custody, two released, were told, under strict conditions. There are two more belgian citizens currently in custody in france that belgium is trying to extradite back to belgian territory. We do know that belgium has a problem with jihadis. It has the highest per capita number of suspected jihadis who have traveled to sireyria joining the ranks of isis than any other country in the european union. Many hundreds there. Imagine the alarm in the u. S. If we had anything close to those numbers. Thanks to ivan watson in belgium. I want to turn now to Cnn International correspondent Nic Robertson. He is live in paris. Nic, french authorities have now released some suspects, we understand. When i was there for the last ten days it struck me that the french authorities did not have a particularly tight handle on who still remained from the cell responsible for these paris attacks. Has that changed in the last 48 hours . Jim, it doesnt appear to have changed, at least the information released so far. These three people released of the 12 arrested any are all women. The nine who are still being held will be hell were told for at least the next 48 hours. They could be held for much longer. One of the things that has emerged in this investigation so far is that sometimes the operatives involved are using phones of friends, of close relatives to make calls to avoid detection because of the way that wiretapping is done here. Its done through a specific phone, not through any number of phones that one particular suspect may have or may have access to. We dont know why these three wrim were re women were released so far, but theyve been released. Also today, an islamist rally out of france was banned by police. Not gone ahead. Thats something here that the authorities are keen to keep off the streets and keep the temperature down given their current concerns about the potential for a fullon attack by groups or a group that theyre not yet aware of, jim. One thing that struck me certainly there, nic, im sure youve seen it there, as how the members of the public have continued to live their lives despite the level of threat. Very admirable. Thanks very much to Nic Robertson in paris. I want to go to anything paton walsh live in sanaa, yemen. Its the home base of the terror groups that the u. S. Have said is the most threatening to the u. S. And al qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. Also the group that has the direct tie to the paris attacks. Nic, what is the handle that yemeni authorities have there . Fact is isnt it that theyve been losing ground against aqap in recent months rather than gaining. Reporter well, actually, the country has been in such turmoil generally for the past few years, thats the main thing what happened happened in the aqap to have a stronghold. The houfis have swept into the capital of sanaa behind now now. That has caused significant up upheaval. They said they detained kidnapped the president ial chief of staff just yesterday in the city center itself. Obviously an escalation in that war there. Al qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula one diplomat told me are finding themselves benefiting strangely, furthermore from this upheaval because some sunnis concerned with what they see of the shia advance, ho ouchltufis advance are taking up arms and making the local ground battle for Al Qaeda A Sunni group slightly easier because they have more men in numbers allowing them to strengthen. They claim that operations against the Charlie Hebdo magazine, that was the name that was shouted by the kouachi brothers during those attacks. The only thing the investigators have to piece together now, jim, is what level of reality that corresponds to. How much of a logistic call link and support link and command link was there between militants here in yemen and the brothers and did that stave up until the moments before the attacks themselves, jim. Nic, is there any awareness of officials there as to numbers of europeans who are going to yemen perhaps to connect with groups such as aqap and then returning to europe. Do they have a sense . Do they have good controls on their borders, even, to watch that kind of flow . Reporter in truth, i think, no. I mean, we just discussed really how much turmoil is grappling them. Its hard to get a coherent picture from yemeni officials. Some are angry that yemen is the hotbed of terror. They point out how many of their lives cant be spent in france. Others simply yesterday offered up information about two frenchmen who were detained a few months ago trying to leave yemen. They were accused of offering Logistical Support to al qaeda in the south of the country, that could be anything from finance to possibly i. T. Support. A split sort of personality among yemeni officials. Some keen to show they are assisting western allies. But a lot of the information comes from the west and then is reverse tracked by them here. Another sign of how fragile this nation can be. The other part of the yemeni administration absolutely keen to point out they dont consider it fair to blame yemen exclusively for the attack. Other failed states as well, breeding grounds for terrorism. I want to go to arwa damon in istanbul, turkey. Its a focus point, an entry point back and forth from europe to the training grounds i suppose you could say in syria and in iraq. Arwa, i wonder if there has been any Real Progress youve been able to see on the ground there in stopping that revolving door in effect from europe to syria and iraq and sadly back to europe where the concern is, of course, that they carry out attacks like weve seen in paris this week. Reporter well, jim, the turkish authorities will continuously say that they are doing what they can, and, yes, they have clamped down to a certain degree. They have tried to make it more difficult for people to cross from turkey into syria. And visa versa. Despite their best efforts, they quite simply cannot control the entire border. We are talking about a border hundreds of kilometers long. Were talking about individuals who are willing to wait for the little gap to open up and they dart across into syria. At that stage it becomes just about impossible to try to track them. Turkish authorities have also repeatedly told cnn that theyre quite frustrated because they feel on some occasions they are alerting various European Countries that some of their nationals are leaving turkey whom the turks believe could be a threat. They feel their intelligence is not necessarily being acted on the way that it should be. Turkey has emerged, yes, as a key transit hub for just about anyone who wants to go into syria. The airport in istanbul, its massive. I now want to bring in senator richard bird republican chairman of the Senate Intelligence committee. Thank you for joining us this morning. Jim, good morning. I want to ask you because i just returned from paris myself, and one thing that struck me is that from this point from u. S. Intelligence officials, Aqap Al Qaeda in the rain yam peninsula, have been seen primarily as a threat to air travel significant threat concealed explosive, but primarily air travel. In light of the presumed perceived tie to those attacks in paris. Have the paris attacks demonstrated a new capability for aqap, a new ambition, frankly . Well, jim, i think the intent was always to carry out multiple means of terrorism from aqap and others. Weve got to remember that this is not about an individual, its about an ideology and terrorism is now global. We dont know where its going to come from. Cnn this week broadcast from eight Different Countries around the world so its not like we can keep our eye on one thing. And this is a war that we have to win. No question. I mean, you make the point that terrorism is global, as a result the response must be global as well. When you look at the run up to these attacks in paris, there was clearly an intelligence failure here, not just by the french, and granted its a difficult decision to make, but the decision to surveil the suspects and stop it but also in terms of intelligence sharing. The u. S. Had the kouachi the u. S. Had the kouachi brothers on a nofly list and a terror watch list. Was that information communicated to the french and why did the french not respond accordingly in light of the relationship that the u. S. And the french have . I guess the question is, jim, did we put the brothers on the nofly list because of what we might have received from france or what we might have picked up ourselves . Im not sure that i know the answer to that. Ill just say this. I think every country in the world today is probably looking back at the policies that theyve got on surveillance for known fighters and trying to determine is there a point where you stay on them 24 7 . If it is, with over 20,000 globally that have really been fighters, these countries as well as the United States has got a real problem. Weve got dozens of individuals that we know went to syria. I would guess that were surveilling 100 of them right now, but thats in addition to everybody else that we may have reasons to suspect as we saw with an ohio man this week, though we dont take that with near the importance of somebody coming back from syria. You say dozens. There was an odd joint claim of responsibility aqap claiming responsibility for the paris attacks but the attacker at the kosher attack pledging allegiance to isis. Is the u. S. Aware of any increases cooperation between a group such as aqap and isis . Jim, were not. But i think it is foolish to think that two groups competing for are fighters and competing for money wouldnt go out and claim some degree of credit for this. I think that thats one thing that these groups all share is theyre pulling from the same pool of fighters and theyre pulling from the same resources for financing from around the world. So being parts of that spectacular attack. I think weve overlooked the fact that belgium is an intelligence win. Individuals that we knew about, individuals that were watched, the belgian government made a decision to go for a particular reason when they did. I think youve seen how seriously they take what they found, hundreds of troops in belgium, never seen before. Over 20,000 troops in france right now helping in the fight against terrorism and a capture of over 20 in five or six Different Countries just in the last 48 hours. The administration has argued that as important as intelligence steps and military steps to fight terrorism, its important to attack the ideology. And yet this last week we noticed that in saudi arabia close u. S. Ally that a blogger flock flogged to 1,000 lashes simply for starting a debate online on his blog about extremism in his country. At the same time pakistan of course another close u. S. Ally had sentenced to death a christian woman for blasphemy as well. These are close allies. Is it your view that these countries, saudi arabia and pakistan through steps like this are, in effect encouraging terrorism by helping to feed the ideology behind it . Well jim, let me say a week ago i said this was a fight a war against western civilization. What i realized was my mistake in that sentence was that this is every bit the fear and the threat of average muslims in muslim countries around the world. This is a concern and a threat to us to europe and to every muslim around the world thats not a fanatic terrorist. And the reality is that weve got to reach out to those individuals because we should be as concerned about making sure that the world is safe for them as we do for our own children. But are our allies doing enough as well . A country such as saudi arabia has enormous influence. Pakistan as well. Against this sort of extremism. Are they doing their part or in effect are they making the problem worse . Well jim, as you know theyve been a contributor to the funding since al qaeda was created. A lot of the middle Eastern Countries have. Hopefully our administration is reaching out to them as is the Global Community and saying things have to stop. You have to quit funding terrorism. You have to quit teaching this to your youth. Weve got to make sure that were after the same future that they are. I dare say that if theyre not willing to help us in that partnership, then there out to be some type of rammy miifications from it. Thank you very much senator richard burr very strong words from the intelligence republican committee. Welcome back jim. Intelligence analysts jostling across the globe. But have american policies and flying drones helped manufacture new terrorists . Well answer that question after this break. If you take multiple medications, a dry mouth can be a common side effect. Thats why theres biotene. 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Thanks for having me, jim. We were just speaking with the republican Senate Intelligence chair, richard burr. He made a point at the end of our conversation which i thought was very powerful, i was asking him about during the week of the paris attacks you have two close u. S. Allies, saudi arabia flogging a blogger for sparking a debate, you have pakistan, another close ally, sentencing a christian for blasphemy, and i asked him if our close allies are doing enough to fight extremism and he said in these cases, no, theyre not. If that holds true, that there should be consequences. I wonder if you agree with him . I do agree with him. The reality is just as richard said, this is not a war between christianity and islam, the east and the west. Hes very right to put that out. When you have these kind of actions inside pakistan and saudi arabia, it perpetuates the myth that that is the fight going on. Of course, we know for years, for decades the saudis have been funneling the money to the clerical organizations that fund the very ma dradrasas that train islamic jihadists. We know in pakistan that at the same time theyve been fighting radical el. Radical elements theyve been funding them. We have to have some tough conversations. Weve let it go on far too long. Now that weve realized the danger, immediacy and threat, i think republicans and democrats can come together and say, listen, time is up. We need to see progress. Especially with a country like pakistan thats a recipient of major dollars from the United States there is going to be some consequences. Fair point. I want to ask you. You made interesting questions talking about the perennial nature of the war. And how that may contribute to extremism. It echos comments made more than a decade ago, donald rumsfeld. He was defense secretary at the time and in his words was, are we creating more of them than we are killing, in effect. I wonder if you could make your point here. Are you saying that by repeated military intervention in iraq, in afghanistan, drone strikes in countries such as yemen, that there is a down side to that . That that helps recruit extremists . I might mention that one of the key chee brothers kouachi brothers in court cases said specifically it was the u. S. Invasion of iraq and the abuse at abu grave that led him to want to fight American Forces there. Heres the first and most important thing. There is never a justification, an excuse, a rationale for these kind of murderous terrorist attacks. The only people to blame for these murders in paris and other assaults around the world are the individuals that perpetuated it. But, my point has been this. We shouldnt be full of such hubris in the United States that we dont have a conversation about the fact that there are things that we do, there are actions that we take that can create more terrorists, create more threats to the United States and there are things that we can do, actions that we can create that will create less terrorists. I think others will agree with me that the war in iraq which became a recruiting tool for islamic extremists around the world made this country less safe, not more safe. I would argue that the way in which we have conducted drone strikes in some parts of the world have become more feeding material for many of these terrorist organizations. That doesnt create a rationale or justification for anything that has happened, it should create a conversation here in the United States about being careful about conducting a Foreign Policy in a way that ends up creating more of the kinds of people and organizations that were trying to fight. Would you say the u. S. Led air campaign in iraq and syria is worth repeating . Repeetding inging inging no. My caution has been that we should not be sending in a new deployment of massive ground my caution has been that we should not be sending in a new deployment of massive Ground Troops into that fight. Robert gates said the next president who proposes that should have their head examined. Many colleagues say we need to put massive new Ground Troops into that fight. I think isis is so dangerous, momentum was so clear that we had to put significant air power and advisers on the ground. I support that, but i dont support essentially beginning a usled Ground Invasion in iraq or in syria because i think that would tip the balance in terms of whats necessary to protect American National security versus what is going to in Donald Rumsfelds opinion, or the way in which he phrased it create more of the people that were trying to eliminate. I want to ask you about boko haram because last week while we were focused on the paris attacks, a horrible atrocity committed by boko haram north of nigeria. Cnn had a reporter on the scene as well. I want to show you a political cartoon that was not unusual focusing all the attention that there was on paris. Some would argue ignoring what was happening in nigeria. Months ago when those girls went missing, the white house focused, remember bring back our girls was a popular twitter hashtag. There was talk of u. S. Military cooperation there, particularly intelligence and surveillance to help locate the girls. Is the u. S. Helping fight boko haram . Are we minimizing . This is another Terror Threat, are we minimizing the Terror Threat emanating from boko haram . Well, i do think its unfortunate that there hasnt been as much world attention as there should be on this increasing threat from boko haram. Were seeing literally thousands of deaths due to their terror activities, 12 deaths in paris is an atrocity, but it shouldnt excuse us from paying attention to whats happening elsewhere. And in africa. I hope well have conversations in the fror are inrelations committee in the coming weeks about some new assets that the United States can provide to those fighting boko haram on the ground. It deserves an equal amount of attention from the United States. The reason were seeing more attention on paris is the organizations that are claiming responsibility, whether it be al qaeda or isis are making it more credible and have a history of more Credible Threats against the United States. Thats why this deserves a great degree of american attention. But boko haram unchecked is a threat not just to the region but to the entire world and it deserves our attention as well. I want to ask you about ukraine now because there is when you look at the evidence on the ground a low level war under way in eastern europe. I want to for the sake of our viewers show some drone video over donestk over the eastern ukraine. Ive been to in area before just a couple months ago. This looks like a war zone and the deaths on the ground and Russian Troops on the ground indicate a war is under way there. The administrations position has been that economic sanctions will lead to deescalation. Meanwhile, were seeing escalation. Is the Obama Administration policy failing with regards to russia and ukraine . Well, ultimately the United States is not going to fight a proxy war against russia inside eastern ukraine. So long as the United States is not fighting that war, the Ukrainian Army which has been undermined over the last ten years by corrupt generals is going to be at a disadvantage against an invading russian army or russiansupported army. I have come to the point where i believe now that the United States needs to start sending more significant military assistance to the ukraine. That was not a position i held initially in this debate. Ive been pressing the administration to support that view. Right now economic sanctions are not, in the short run, convincing russia to pull back. Youve seen some significant improvements in terms of central governance out of kiev with the new president , poroshenko taking the reins of the government. I think the administration has to look at some more serious levels of defensive armaments being sent to ukrainians. I think that would help in a fight that we have to admit is not ending any time soon. More military to the ukraine. Thank you. Thanks, jim. Around the world muslims are protesting finishing their morning prayers and flooding the streets to call for jihad, but over what . And why does the pope say they might have a point . Well talk about that after this break. 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A religion of compassion and goodness and cannot in any way, shape or form be in support of terrorism. I want to ask you to see if you agree that theres been a level of debate necessary. I want to just bring up a point. Asked senator burr and senator murphy about this as well. Some of americas closest allies you can argue, convincingly arent doing enough. This week in saudi arabia lashing a blogger who tried to start this very debate online. Pakistan another close ally sentencing a christian woman to death for blasphemy. Do you hear the volume maybe we could describe it as voices of the islamic faith countering this violent message . The volume no. But sitting next to an imam who just expressed himself as beautifully as he did is encouraging to me and my community. There was ancient scripture, the torah scroll was on fire wrapped around man. He said im going to die but my words and ideas will never die. We always have to stand up for our ideas and how we want to express those ideas. But never through violence. Lets talk about ideas and ill turn to you, father beck. The pope, pope francis, entered this debate this week, and while he talked about the importance of freedom of expression, he in effect made the point that there are limits, that if you insult someones religion, he used the metaphor of saying if someone punches you someone insults your mother you might want to punch them in the face, that kind of thing. Was the pope saying in effect that Charlie Hebdo went too far by depicting the Prophet Muhammad in these cartoons . You know, my mother, jim, always had a famous adage. She would say, just because you have a right to do it doesnt make it right to do it. I think what the pope is trying to say, yes, you have a right, but there has to be limits to freedom of expression. The limit needs to be selfimposed, that cultural restraint has to come societally. As religious leaders we have to say to our people, you know what . 300,000 copies of that magazine used to be printed. Now they rant and put muhammad on the cover again and now we have 7 million . Dont show up for that. Dont feed it. I think we cant limit it legally, perhaps, but morally. Culturally we have to say its wrong do it. Judgment call. Do you agree, imam . Do you think they went too far . I think they went too far. I think they have to stop it. Because it is not helping what we all want to do. We want to have a civilized dialogue between the east and the west. We want to have a civilized dialogue between judaism and christianity and islam and other religions. To move forward, publication of such thing does not help feed into that. It helps terrorism. It recruit more people. Let me ask, who sets the limits . This is the difficult part. I got a copy of Charlie Hebdo. I was in paris. I read through, yes, the cover has muhammad. There were other cartoons in there. There was one that mocks the attackers faith that theyre going to have the virgins, 70 virgins after them. Some of them are not that far off what you would see in some u. S. Publications. Who sets the limitations . Thats the difficulty. Who is going to be the authority . Anything can be offensive to anybody, right . Huge grey area in the middle. We set the ethical limits. We could instruct from the pulpit because were against it dont buy it, dont line up for it. We live in a democracy. They express opinions that in many other places they dont. I would not shut down. I dont think its the religious leaders place to shut down the free speech. It will go the other way which will limit me from expressing myself in the ways that i want to. The mother commented, this is such a great pontiff, i think we all love this pontiff. The mother comment says to me that if you are raised by a good enough mother, you want to defend her and youre inclined to punch someone to defend her but you dont because of the values that she gave you. I would say the same thing applies to muhammad, jesus, moses, that these are extraordinarily great figures who have lasted all these years. Our inclination is to be violent to defend them but their teachings are great because we dont. In the end we are grounded religious people in their names but never with violence at all. So youre saying dont set the limits in effect, let people make their own choices, is that right . Listen, there was a jewish lawyer who defended the nazis in skogi. The reason he did it is because he felt so strongly not just about the First Amendment but about the rights of jews to express themselves. Obviously he hated what they were saying but wanted to allow them to speak so all of us could live in a country where any of us could speak. Father you want to pipe in . We just buried mario cuomo. He went to see the book of mormon with his wife matilda. He was off centered. When it began. But then it continued, came to a song fu god in that musical. He turned to matilda, were out of here. She said, i was ready 15 minutes ago. They left. He said, matt stone, trey parker, this he have every right to make that musical. I dont have to give money to it. Im not going to support it. If you depict jesus steeped in urine, you have a right to do it . Sure. Should we show up at the museum to see it or mary in elephant dung . No. I think as religious leaders we say, they have a right to do it but we are not going to support it. We want to raise the cultural conversation beyond that. I want people to know that we need to set this moral campus within us to design those limits. Thats number one. Number two, i want people to know, and im speaking to cnn worldwide here, that i am not saying that the publication of this cartoon means or justifies violence in any way, shape or form. As i speak for not publishing that specific magazine or picture, i also say to muslims, wake up. Engage people with the prophet of islam in an intellectual spirit all way. That is what muhammad would have done. This gets to a practical question because there is there is the philosophical debate here about whether we should err on the side of freedom of expression or on taste, good taste, et cetera, but theres also a practical argument. By doing this do you give ammunition, in effect, to the attackers, give them, you know, prod them in a way as some have made the point that youre prodding them to attack . Is there a practical argument against this, against exercising erring on the side of not offending. Despite this is a country freedom of expression which is a bedrock principle. The more we close these things down, i think the more we give them ammunition. That means i can go into any place and i can do anything i want and the response from a Democratic Society with free religious expression in that society is to narrow it. I think thats a huge mistake. Dont we do it all the time . We dont print certain words in newspapers because were going to offend. The New York Times would not put the cartoon that was just published. Or cnn. Right. We selfcensor all the time for the larger good. Thats a journalistic choice. If we think it will incite a mass riot, thats different than allowing fundamentalism to widen its reach. There are laws that protect the common good. You can be protesting something. But you cant do it at 3 00 in the morning with a bull horn. It is against the law. There are common understandings that limit free speech. Its a misnomer to say, oh, theres no such thing. You have the final thought. I think we have to morally censor for the common good and number two we do not want to help terrorists recruit more people and publications like this will, believe me, undermine my ability to speak a voice of sanity but it will also help a terrorist. To pull more people to their line. Do you get the sense that this is the very debate we need to have more broadly in the country. And in europe. And inside the muslim world. Between all of us. Lets keep up the conversation. Fantastic today. Great to have you all on. Good to be here. Where there is smoke there is normally fire. Mitt romney providing a lot of kindling flou. Will there be a former republican nominees magic number will three be his magic number . Were going to get into that right after this break. Just tell us your budget and the name your price tool helps you find a whole range of coverages. No one else gives you options like that. [voice echoing] no one at all no one at all no one. Wake up [gasp] oh you okay, buddy . 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That was mr just on friday hint mitt romney on friday just hinting that he may give this president ial run a third shot. I want to begin with you, youve had conversations recently with mitt romney. I wonder what hes told you about running. Has he said hes going to do it . Well he did call and we did speak and he said that he seriously is considering it. He wanted some advice and input. But the rumors that were out there were true and certainly for him to appear at the gop event that was there in san diego recently you dont do that if youre just putting your ball cap down and going to seaworld for the afternoon. So yeah i think hes very seriously considering it. What does he say will be different about this time around that will make this run a successful one . Well he does have the experience. I really think that mitt romney checks three boxes that the rest of the candidates dont necessarily do. Number one, hes vetted. We know exactly what were going to get. There wont be that october surprise that republicans would should naturally be worried about. I think hes been proven right on so many of the issues. Certainly domestic policy. But Foreign Policy. I mean he almost looked prophetic there talking about russia and talking about the war on terror and those types of things. So we know he was right on the issues. Then youve got to have somebody who can raise the 1 billion that its going to take in order beat hillary clinton. Certainly mitt romney can do that as well. Ken, now theres experience and theres experience losing. Does he have the right kind of experience . Im not sure that he does. I mean he was correct with respect to Foreign Policy related compared to the president. I dont think any of the other republicans would have been wrong on that. He didnt get the nomination in 2012 until he had essentially outlasted, with money, all of the other choices. They all had to fall away effectively, until he could bring his money to bare sufficiently before he could get a majority of whoever was voting left in the republican nomination. So he wasnt an inspirational character. He doesnt bring a philosophy that he can articulate well. And if you look at the last three election cycles 10, 12 and 14, in two of them the republicans did spectacularly well. What was the main issue . They were fighting back on obamacare. What was the one we lost . The one where the guy who invented obamacare in massachusetts and didnt say it was a mistake. He doubled down on it. Does he damage though an eventual republican nominee by keeping his name in the running, in your view . No. Look were very early in this process. This is going to be a very competitive 2015 and into 2016. Mitt romney is a very similar, frankly, to some other potential candidates be it jeb bush be it Chris Christie john kasich. A lot of what we might animal liz with him, with the exception of him having run the last two gorounds, as the congressman pointed out, is very similar, frankly, to what a lot of others bring to the table. Let me ask you, you heard his message about bringing wider opportunity to the american middle class which is a message that might surprise some whether fairly or not, portrayed him as the candidate of the well the opposite of the candidate of the 47 . How does mitt romney sell a message that he is the man to bring opportunity to a greater number of americans . Well i think as americans look at this if you want to grow jobs in the economy, if you actually wanted to feed poverty and make sure that peoples income and opportunity is swelling in this country, that entrepreneurs have the atmosphere to grow and thrive there is nobody thats going to beat out mitt romney. Thats what hes done his entire life his entire career is helped take something from nothing and make it into something. And empowering people to do that. That is mitt romneys strong suit and he can run circles around i think a lot of people because hes actually done it. He hasnt just been in politics. This is what hes done in his career and it will be a great strong point for him. Were you spriedy surprised, ken, to hear him portray himself as the candidate of the 47 . It dont work in 2012 the way he approached this. I would agree with the congressman in one respect. What the congressman just said is what he what mitt romney should have done in 2012 but he shied away from it he cowered from it. Mitt romneys had Great Success in business but he didnt defrd capitalism, he didnt make the moral case for capitalism he didnt make the moral case to inspire the grassroots to go and say why we should reduce the power of government in the economy, what if means for your freedom and your opportunity at your own kitschle lekitchen table. He didnt make that case and i think republicans have concluded that he cant. Just another issue in the news president obama unveiling a new tax plan 320 billion largely derived from bigger taxes on the wealthy, banks in particular. You have a Republican Controlled Congress as we well know. Is this tax plan doa . Its a flonnonstartser. Were not just one good tax increase away from prosperity in this nation. This nation had the Record Number of receipts coming in to the treasury. Are you going to actually grow the economy and jobs . Are entrepreneurs going to be better off, are small businessmen going to be better off with more taxes and more government . No. We got to make sure that we get a Regulatory Environment thats predictable, that we bring those tax rates down and that we quit spending this money that we dont have. More government 300 billionplus tax bill from barack obama is not the formula for this country to succeed. Thank you both for joining us. On football sunday. Well be right back after this break. 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So when secretary of state john kerry made something of an apology tour in paris this week even dragging along singer james taylor as secretary kerry described if to give the nation a big hug, he got a little bit too close. Even by french standards. Taylors rendition of youve got a friend was the perfect soundtrack as the french president and the french nation endured an awkward embrace. Sufficients gotyouve got a friend make sure to watch cnn on tuesday night to watch president obamas state of the union address. Our coverage begins at 7 00 p. M. Eastern. Fareed zakaria gps starts right now. This is gps, the Global Public square. Welcome to all of you in the United States and around the world. Im fareed zakaria. Well begin todays show with questions from paris, questions on the minds of all of us. How in the world do we protect against the next of these attacks. Is there any real way to thwart this kind of terrorism. 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