r >> chr>> chris brow> musir music" otp musimu. >r >> abp >> abby hu> conservatir conservative polit commentatcommentator and the d jon huntsman. morgp morgmorgan spurlo filmmakfilmmaker anp filmm one r one of yoone of p. and will cain, columnist forr forredblaze.com. we have new information in the terrifying account of the shooting rampage that happened at the small college in california, college is called oikos university. 43-year-old one goh a former student apparently seeking revenge. goh, a korean native and naturalized citizen lost both his mother and his brother in the past year and he was struggling with more than $20,000 in tax debt. he was a opportunity at oikos but then was kicked out several months ago. we begin this morning with the oakland police chief, howard jordan. nice to talk to you, sir. thank you for being with us. we appreciate it. your investigators have had a chance to sit down and talk to mr. one. what has he said to you about the motivation at this point? >> good morning. yeah, he said to us that he was upset with the administration. he was a student there and while he was a student he had been picked on, wasn't treated fairly by students, and the administrator, and he wanted to get back at them. we're not certain exactly what type of problems he was having with students but he was very upset, distraught about the administration and the way they had treated him in class. >> so he had been kicked out of the school, is that correct? when did that happen? >> yeah, he was expelled according to our reports several months ago, probably the beginning of this year or sometime right after that. >> the word that we're getting about what transpired yesterday morning was that he came into a classroom and then lined up the students. is that correct? can you tell me what else happened? >> yeah, he entered the building right across the street from us here. he took the secretary into the classroom and began to line up the rest of the students in the classroom. he was there specifically to look for someone, i can't reveal who that person is. that person was not there. once he realized that she wasn't there he first shot the secretary, and then began to shoot the other members in the classroom. he then left, came back and went throughout the school shooting into several classrooms, went on a shooting rampage looking for other victims before he eventually left out the back door, stole a car that belonged to one of the victims, drove to a neighboring city five miles away from here where he surrendered at a local grocery store. >> you say he was looking specifically for an individual, i know you can't tell us who this individual is, was day teacher, administrator, was it another student? >> we believe it was an administrator but i don't have any other information besides that. >> what was his demeanor like not only when awe rested him but also as your investigators questioned him? >> sorry, can you repeat that? >> what was his demeanor like? was it difficult to bring him under alameda, a few miles away. was he confrontational? did he admit to the shootings? >> yes, he was very cooperative, very matter-of-fact, very calm, and did not offer any resistance at all at the time of the shooting. he surrendered as i mentioned earlier and during the investigation, with our investigators he does not, he was very cooperative, remembered very good details about what happened. does not appear to be remorseful at all, but did provide us with enough information, we believe, to start putting the pieces of this puzzle together. >> i'm told the weapon was a .45 millimeter handgun. have you recovered that yet? last i read it hadn't been recovered. >> no, that weapon has not been recovered. we are going to be searching for that later on today and we're hoping we can find that weapon. >> has he given you any indication of what happened to it? if he's ditched it? >> no, our investigators were very determined to find out what happened. however, he did not, he was not ooptive with us when he came to the actual location of the weapon so we're going to be doing some follow-up work to find out what happened to that weapon. >> what are you expecting to charge him with, seven counts of murder? >> the d.a. will have to decide that. we will present the case to her sometime in the next couple of days and the d.a. will have to decide based on the evidence that we present to her what charges she will file against the suspect. >> chief howard jordan of the oakland police department, thanks for your time this morning, sir. we appreciate the update. >> you're welcome. >> let's get to christine with other headlines for us. good morning. >> good morning. three crucial gop primaries today with nearly 100 delegates on the line in wisconsin, maryland and washington, d.c. polls open in maryland and d.c. right now. mitt romney leading the polls in all three of today's contests. wisconsin is the big prize with a haul of 42 winner-take-all delegates. rick santorum showing no signs of backing down, vowing to stay in the race even if he loses all three primaries today. martha johnson, head of the general services administration, has resigned and two top deputies fired for lavish over-the-top spending at a conference in las vegas. four managers of the gsa have been placed on leave. the conference cost more than $800,000 and featured a mind reader and a clown. former president bill clinton will join forces with president obama to raise some serious dough later this month, a big fund-raiser in virginia at the home of former dnc committee chairman terry mcauliffe, one of three fund-raisers president clinton is holding for november. the u.s. is offering a $10 million boiunty for an alleged terrorist accused of orchestrating attacks in mum buy that killed 166 people, including six americans in 2008. hafiz saeed is the man. minding your business this morning, the dow is down about 20 points right now. remember markets are near four-year highs. we're waiting for a new report on auto sales. a lot of people saying that auto sales are improving because people are feeling better about the economy, more confident, buying big ticket items like cars and they're tired of driving their old cars they've been holding on to for ten years so long. pennsylvania beef products company afa filed for bankruptcy protection after a public outcry over the apoenia treated beef filler dubbed pink slime. several big chains including kroger and safeway banned the sale of so-called pink slime in their stores in light of the controversy. no word yet how many jobs will be lost. look at kentucky fans celebrating the big ncaa championship win last night. things got out of hand pretty quickly. thousands poured into the streets. more than 30 fires set. police say one man was wounded in a shooting. they arrested dozens of people, all this after the big wildcats win over the kansas jayhawks. 67-59, to take home kentucky's eighth national championship. carlos diaz live at the site of the game in new orleans. good morning. >> reporter: good morning. yeah, you know, it's one thing to say that you had 30 fires last night in lexington, but it's an improvement over the 50 fires they dealt with in lexington saturday night after kentucky beat louisville, their in-state rival. kentucky's eighth national championship and wildcat fans had been waiting 14 years to celebrate. john calipari, head coach of the kentucky wildcats has been waiting all his life to cut down the nets. he's never won a national championship even though he has led three teams to the final four including u mass. memphis and kentucky. it is a big win for the number ranked team in the nation and coming into the tournament they were the overwhelming favorite so it's not too often that in a tournament where 68 teams are competing and playing only one game to see who is going to win it that the best team does win. the best team did win last night. >> carlos diaz thank you so much. soledad, are we the only country in the world where 40% of our kids go to college, ready for college material but riot when they win? >> and riot when they don't quite win. >> yeah, right, in the semifinal. not like we didn't have warning. they rioted after the semifinal win. >> that was a setup, a warmup. >> it was practice for the actual rioting later. christine, thank you. still ahead on "starting point," a sharper look at george zimmerman, just minutes after he shot and killed trayvon martin. could it in fact prove that he was attacked? we'll talk to the martin family attorney coming up next. plus get real. ice cream trucks banned by empowered parents in a town in new york. check out the entire show at our website cnn.com/startingpoint. we leave you with george benson "on broadway." you're watching "starting point." need any help? uh, nope. just, uh, checking out my ad. nice. but, you know, with every door direct mail from the postal service, you'll find the customers that matter most: the ones in your neighborhood. print it yourself, or we'll help you find a local partner. and postage is under 15 cents. i wish i would have known that cause i really don't think i chose the best location. it's not so bad. i mean you got a deal... right? [ bird cries ] go online to reach every home, every address, every time with every door direct mail. a florida prosecutor is firing back at the family of trayvon martin today. he calls their version of what happened the night that trayvon was killed outside lies. new reports show that state attorney norm wolfinger met with sanford police chief bill lee on the night of the shooting and reportedly disregarded detectives' advice to arrest george zimmerman. the family wants the justice department to investigate how wolfinger handled the case. he says "it didn't happen. i encouraged the justice department to investigate and document that no such meeting or communication occurred. i have been encouraging those spreading the irresponsible rhetoric to stop." joining us this morning is jasmine rand, an attorney for trayvon martin's family. nice to talk to you. thanks for being with us. let me walk through this, his reaction, wolfinger based off a letter from another family attorney benjamin crump, we learned that bill lee met with norm wolfinger. you heard wolfinger say the meeting did not happen. he wants the justice department to document that did not happen. both cannot be true. which one is lying? >> you know, obviously we believe our version of the facts. i cannot reveal our source but we believe that our source is credible and that a meeting did take place between wolfinger and chief bill lee that night, and perhaps more influential is even their decision not to take the lead homicide investigator, chris soreno's advice and make an arrest for manslaughter charges of the killing of trayvon. >> he has an affidavit to say that was his position and i haven't seen any evidence of an affidavit as well. do you have that evidence of an affidavit, also talked about in the letter? >> i do not have a copy of that affidavit, but he did prepare an affidavit i believe several news sources obtained a copy of it and i think the fact that he prepared an affidavit is telling how strongly he felt about his position. it's unusual someone would prepare an affidavit of that nature. >> "we believe that family members" meaning gm gm's family members, "were present at the police department." which family members? are you alleges there was undue negotiation between zimmerman's family and the police? >> we are calling that into question, asking the police to look at -- sorry the united states department of justice to look at a totality of the circumstances and just ensure that there was no improper action on behalf of any government officials that night and if there was that they are brought to justice accordingly. >> do you believe there was improper action on the part of the state attorney? do you think he was unduly influenced in this case? >> i do believe so. that's why we wrote this letter and you know, something doesn't sit right with us about this incident, like i said we have credible sources stating that wolfinger and chief of police bill lee did meet that night, so that's why we've asked the united states department of justice to make inquiry into that specific meeting and why they chose not to press charges. >> i know you're not going to reveal your sources but can you tell me a little bit more about them generally, one source or two sources and what are their roles in the investigation in its entirety? >> i can't say anything with any more specificity. >> you can tell me if it's one source or two sources? >> i believe that it's multiple sources that know of the meeting that took place that night. >> okay. i want to talk to you about this videotape, we've seen it a lot and talked about it a lot over the last few days of george zimmerman getting out of a police vehicle, and it's all sort of recorded. it's now been enhanced and if you look more closely, you can actually see it does seem to be there's some kind of injury kind of on the top of his head. do you think that this injury, some people were saying, that he had not been injured in this scuffle that was described in the police report, do you think that injury does, in fact, support his version of the events, that he was attacked, as he has told police, by trayvon martin? >> absolutely not. i have not personally seen the enhanced version but i think the most telling sign is that the second ambulance that was originally called out to the scene to respond for any potential injuries to george zimmerman was canceled, because they said he was not in need of medical attention. he arrived at the police station in a cop car. he did not arrive in an ambulance, and the version that i saw there's no apparent serious bodily harm or injury, and he went home that night. he didn't go to a hospital and trayvon went to the morgue. >> his family members have said that a medical exam will show in fact his nose was broken and it happened in a scuffle with trayvon martin. >> that does not change our position. once again, george zimmerman was the aggressor. he pursued trayvon in this instance. if he did have any medical injuries, that did not give him the right to use deadly force and shoot and kill trayvon. >> let's talk about this audio clip. we had it analyzed yesterday, and talked with the audio expert who was analyzing it and what he found is that he could not confirm that it was george zimmerman's voice as george zimmerman claimed in the police report to the officers. here's a little bit of what the expert told us yesterday. >> if we're comparing zimmerman versus the screams, then we're getting a likelihood ratio of 48% and a false rejection rate of 12.35%, and a false acceptance rate of 14.9%. those low numbers get translated as it's very unlikely that it is the same person. >> the upshot of what he's saying there and kind of walked us through that math yesterday, that he does not believe that is george zimmerman's voice screaming on the tape, but what he could not confirm that it was trayvon's voice either because he doesn't have the original, you know, voice to match it to do the tests on it. will you get to him an audiotape of trayvon's voice so that you could do that test? would you like to see that? >> i no he that mr. park stated yesterday we would provide that audio recording. i do not have any personal knowledge whether or not we have an actual audio recording of trayvon's voice. >> the fbi is canvassing the neighborhood of this gated community. what sort of conversations are you having specifically with the fbi at this point? >> i'm not having any conversations with the fbi at this point. they are conducting their investigation. >> hmm, interesting. all right, thanks for updating us on what is happening in the case. we certainly appreciate it. he we know the department of justice has been called in to investigate the police as well. jasmine rand is an attorney for trayvon martin's family. thank you. >> thank you. coming up on our text hour one of george zimmerman's neighbors, frank taaffe, had an interesting thing to say about trayvon-like dudes that had been in the neighborhood and while he was talking about race he didn't think was involved in the case but all of the trayvon like dudes. we'll discuss what exactly he meant by that later this morning. ahead a mock movie poster is warning new york city that al qaeda is coming back. it is setting off red flags in the intel community. and banning ice cream, why parents are trying to ruin the summer in your neighborhood, morgan. >> thanks a lot, yeah. >> we'll go to your playlist, this is "testimony." ♪ you are my sunshine, my only sunshine ♪ ♪ you make me happy [ female announcer ] choose the same brand your mom trusted for you. children's tylenol, the #1 brand of pain and fever relief recommended by pediatricians and used by moms decade after decade. or creates another laptop bag or hires another employee, it's not just good for business, it's good for the entire community. at bank of america, we know the impact that local businesses have on communities. that's why we extended $6.4 billion in new credit to small businesses across the country last year. because the more we help them, the more we help make opportunity possible. enough plastic water bottles to stretch around the earth over 190 times. each brita filter can take up to 300 of those bottles out of the equation. ♪ i'm your ice cream man, stop me when i'm passing by ♪ ♪ i'm your ice cream man, stop me when i'm passing by ♪ van halen "ice cream man" an important song for this next segment. >> perfect intro. >> yes it is. our "get real" this morning, talking about one neighborhood in brooklyn called park slope, brooklyn, happens to be where morgan spurlock lives. >> it is an amazing place to raise kids, wonderful place to have a family but there are some crazy pashts in that neighborhood. >> enthusiastic? overaggressive? >> the fact they want to ban ice cream trucks, god forbid you got to be a parent and tell your kid no. >> the back story a blog post on parkslope.com, a mother complained about a day at the play ground ruined, ruined, ruined by ice cream vendors so of course that means it must be stopped and don't you know about park slope, the enthusiastic overempowered parents, she was starting this movement to try to get the ice creamed vendor banned. >> darned your sugary goodness. >> along with the first truly beautiful day of the year, and here is a little bit of how it went back and forth. >> go somewhere else, go on another corner. >> it's a little extreme. a little treat is a good thing. >> they're walking down the street, my kid wants every toy they see? should we banish the toy stores? i don't agree with that. >> i think it's honestly really stupid. >> go out on a limb. >> there were parents, amazing, being parents, saying no to their children. good for them. >> one mom said it was unfair being ostracized. >> that's the best thing about this story. it gives you insight into park slope parenting. >> and if one child has ice cream all the children should have it. i only have one. >> how old? >> when he doesn't get ice cream i don't worry about it. >> one mom asked to remain anonymous for fear of being ostracized by the other parents, this is your neighborhood. >> this is my hood. >> we don't have is in chelsea. >> i'm already ostracized so it's fine. >> ice cream and a soda. >> supersize me. >> you can't ban ice cream trucks. what says america more than an ice cream truck. >> exactly. >> next thing the hotdog vendors and pretzel guys, then what? >> america, destroyed, its fan rick. my final line is from the nanny who says this -- by the way the park where it is happening is called harmony park. the nanny says this, "they're obnoxious" about the parents. there's no harm in this. i'm surprised she used her real name on that. >> she's not worried, already being ostracized. >> save me from having to say no to my children. >> yes. still ahead on "starting point," the top story this morning, focusing on the gunman who lined up his victims and then shot them. police are giving us new details about this rampage that happened on a college campus. we'll take you live to the scene and talk to some witnesses to the shooting. plus "american idol" judge randy jackson will join us this morning, the best and the worst moments of the season, who he thinks is going to win and probably most importantly talking about diabetes, talking about that for him. and you knew this was coming, you knew this was coming. you have to pay for your carry-on luggage now. >> i thought you already did on one airlines. >> no that was the checked luggage. the carry-on. >> so no one is going to want to travel. there are so many rules. >> we leave you with the beastie boys, christine's play list. we're rocking out this morning. [ female announcer ] introducing coffee-mate natural bliss. made with only milk... cream... a touch of sugar... and pure natural flavors. coffee-mate natural bliss. from nestle. add your flavor naturally. ♪ abby i'll give you a guess on whose song this is. >> will would pick country. >> he would. george strait "blue clear sky." we're talking about the shooting out in oakland, california, now today a motive is emerging for that deadly shooting spree, left seven people dead at a small christian college. oakland's police chief says the former oikos university student one goh lined up his former classmates and also a receptionist and gunned them down execution style. he gave cnn chilling exclusive detail this is morning. listen. >> he lined up all the victims and began shooting at them, and left for a short period of time, came back, went through other parts of the school, just shooting going in what we call a shooting rampage throughout the school, then casually walked out and left in one of the victim's vehicles. >> brian snow was a witness to the shootings and he joins us live this morning. brian, good morning, thanks for talking with us. i understand you were literally sort of walking out when this happened out of a bank, a credit union. can you describe for me what you saw? >> when i first walked out, it was pretty chaotic. i went to check on my aunt and make sure she was okay and after that guns were fired and then i saw during that process i saw a lady with a hole in her arm. it was really chaotic at the scene. >> that was the young woman i think we have videotape of her wearing an army t-shirt grabbing her arm, apparently she had been shot with a .45, which would lead a gaping wound in the arm. was it a chaotic situation? were you able to jump in and help anybody or what was happening around you that you saw? >> well at the time, all i was really worried about the most was trying to get as many people as possible in a safe environment somewhat, so i called my job, and i made sure they were okay. i called my credit union, told them to lock down the doors. i did as much as i can to help but at the time all i could do is lay on the ground and wait after the guns were finished being fired. >> so did you, were people around you screaming or did it seem like the police had it under control? >> to tell you the truth the police somewhat, most of the part had it under control. the ambulance i felt like the ambulance came through at a good time, because it was a little bit chaotic at the moment, because we didn't know what to expect. so the police took care of most of it. >> do the police stop you eventually when they were there? i understand as you were trying to go back into the credit union and also help your aunt that they thought maybe you were a suspect in some way. is that right? >> well, they didn't think i was a suspect. they were trying to protect everybody in the area so they didn't want people walking in and out and back and forth. i did walk around the block, the opposite direction, to get to the credit union. >> when you look at what happened at this school, were you aware this was even a school, i understand it's not particularly well marked and some people didn't even understand that it was a small college. >> actually, i've come to this credit union a lot so when i saw, heard what was going on, i was surprised myself. it was a christian based school but i didn't expect for anything to happen like this at the school. so i heard it was a pretty positive school. >> you must be pretty surprised today. brian snow witnessed the shooting at oikos university. thank you, we appreciate your insight into this. >> not a problem. >> let's get to christine with the other headlines. >> good morning, thank you, soledad. two ft. bliss soldiers and a civilian have reportedly vanished from a weekend trip in new mexico. special iz alton weber and sornlg nicholas mummert joined a civilian on a kayaking trip. none of the three returned. police found a white sur ban monday. they believe the group was driving on that trip to the river. investigators say they've not uncovered anything suspicious, but the three have vanished. an incredible sight as a plane crashes into a shopping center. no one was hurt when the small plane crashed into the roof of a publix supermarket in delond, florida. witnesses say the plane was sputtering when it went down. everyone managed to walk away without serious injuries, close to orlando. >> president obama warning the supreme court against a lack of judicial strength. he says if justices overturn the law he says it will be a case of judicial activism, as he insists he's confident the law will be upheld. >> i'm actually continuing to be confident that the supreme court will uphold the law. and the reason is because in accordance with the precedent out there, it's constitutional. >> decision on the health care law is expected some time in june. on the cnn security watch, a mystery for terrorism experts. key al qaeda websites used to recruit terrorists and call for attacks on the west have been dark for the past two weeks. some believe they were taken down in a cyber attack but no one has claimed responsibility and come to your screen and take a close look at this disturbing new poster, shows the new york skyline with the words "al qa a qaeda, coming soon again in new york" posted on several arabic language webb sites. police and the fbi are investigating where the poster came there from but say there's no specific credible threat. one day after a new report said the skies are friendlier than ever, you're about to get ho hosed more than ever. you'll be charged $35 for car carry-on bags on airline allegiant. anything that is stored overhead will cost you 35 bucks. i'm telling you this isn't going away. the alacart you pay for different fees for what you use on a plane they're making a ton of money, it's going to stay. >> that's crazy. you could check that bag and then it would be carry on it would be your checked luggage. it's insane. >> i don't know how much they charge you for checked luggage. >> i think i got charged $7 for a pillow and blanket on jetblue on a 2:00 a.m. flight. i have to sleep. i refused to pay it. my husband is like just pay it. >> we did this story americans are pleased with their airline industry service. >> i don't get it. what do you mean? 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"american idol" is now in its 11th season. >> you're a phenom. you are an absolute angel from heaven. i don't even know, that voice is just godsent, godsent. >> crazy. you have towed the line, you sing a song like it should be sung. you make it bleed, you got perfect pitch and you got that star quality. >> you just innately have this unbelievable talent. i look forward to hearing you every night. i think you're one of the best singers i've heard in many a year. >> running all the positive comments. >> let's make it bleed. randy jackson is with us. you've been on the original panel of judges since 2002, right? >> 2002, yes, our 11th season. and it's going strong. >> how has it been, new judges. >> last season we brought in jennifer and steven and that was simon's exit. it's been great. they came in, and got it right away. jennifer had been a fan of the show before. i don't know if steven had even seen it before but they just jumped in and got right to it. it's been fun. >> you're here to talk a little bit about diabetes, and i want to talk a little bit about how you discovered that you were diabetic. how do you know? >> i just teamed up with merck on taking diabetes to heart, an amazing program we've gone on with awareness and education to help people manage their type ii diabetes. a lot of people with diabetes don't know they have it. >> did you know you had it? >> i didn't know i had it when i wound up in the e.r. with a blood sugar over 500. i was shocked. it's hereditary, runs in my family, whatever, but you never think it's going to happen to you. like me a lot of people don't know they have it. they're two to four times at risk to are heart disease or stroke. we have this amazing program that urge people to talk to their doctor. you need to talk to your doctor. we have a thing called the abcs, it's your a, your blood sugar, and your cholesterol. sometimes blood sugar is not enough to control type ii diabetes. i was amazed at how little i spoke to my doctor and i know a lot of people -- >> you used to be heavy, you lost a ton of weight. >> listen, i was -- >> your doctor never said you were at risk for diabetes? >> no, but he said lose weight but that's the time you go in once a year for your yearly checkup and then you never see the doctor again. so this is just a great educational program. we have an amazing website, takingdiabetestoheart.com, people can find out info what they should do and make that doctor your friend. talk to them, find out the right treatment plan if you have it. >> who is the right person on the show, lasted or kicked off? kejian? >> no, my favorite this year is still there. kejian is a funny, charismatic kid. i said to him he'd make a great sitcom star. >> and he's like yeah, you gave him advice that had nothing to do with singing, all about, wait, i think we have a clip of that. let's run that clip. >> dude, you have to get into acting. you've got to stick with -- i'm telling you, you could be awesome, you could be a superstar. dude, trust me. i'm telling you, dude. listen, you crack me up. >> dude, do something else. please leave here immediately. >> extend your brand now so you've got singing. he wasn't ever going to win the show, so you've got singing. he's a good singer but i think he could be great. couldn't you see him on "big bang." >> sure. he's got the whole package. he can do it all. >> exactly. >> something like that. >> something like that. >> he's a double threat. >> so if he's not your favorite who is. there are eight contestants. >> there's a bunch of favorites. >> who is your favorite. that was a diplomatic answer. who do you like? >> uhm -- >> are you allowed to say? >> just tell us. >> no, listen, i mean those ones that are left, i love jessica. i mean, i love colton, i love phillips. joshua is amazing, scott, i mean -- >> that's everybody, that is literally everybody. >> they all have a shot but that's what i said last week. he was like you act like this is a boxing match. who is going to win it? throw the gauntlet down, soledad, throw it down. who wants this? >> no one ever wants to hear my singing. there's so much competition. you have "x factor" and "the voice." usually when everybody jumps in. >> i think this space is a little crowded, yes. i think there's a lot of singing shows on but i think there's room for everyone. they all have their good points you know what i mean? >> so you're so diplomatic this morning. >> no, it's true. listen it's true. "x factor" simon started "idol" with us, he, i, ryan and paula started something nobody would have thought it would become as big as it became. he'll be successful at "x factor" as he is and "the voice" with superstar judges. however you can get discovered, do it. however you can find your doctor, find them, talk to them about your abcs. >> right, thanks for coming back to where we begin. i love it. we appreciate that. >> it happens to be all relative. >> randy jackson nice to have you. >> a little pitchy but nice. >> just slightly. yeah. >> nice to have you. thanks so much. >> i like this panel. >> we like you. still ahead on "starting point," some of hollywood's proudest geeks taking you inside of nerd culture. [ screaming ] >> i was looking out my hotel window and saw three ninja turtles impatiently checking their watches. >> we'll take a sneak peek at morgan spurlock's film "inside comicon culture." you're watching "starting point." we're right back after this. we asked total strangers to watch it for us. it all right. that's morgan's playlist. white knuckles "okay go." movie stars and geeks is the scene at comic con. >> welcome to comic con. >> sit in my chair. let me make you look dead. >> i was looking out high hotel room window and i saw three ninja turtles impatiently checking their watches. >> excuse me. we have to check that in. >> in the mind of every comic book theme, comic con is answer to your prayers. it's heaven as much as they tell you when you go to heaven, everything you lost will come back to you. >> that's a clip from morgan's new documentary. it looks for someone who has never been to comic con, you were trying to do the story sort of autentically for people who have been there and experience it. >> and for people that have never been. this is about fans who have never been. if you have never been, you'll see what you're missing. you have been before, you'll see what you love about this place. >> you have clips and you talk about how they were worried that you would be mocking folks. >> we put together this amazing dream team that created this film. we had this geek brain trust that kind of came into make this movie. it was amazing. >> was it hard to get permission to go in and shoot it? >> for the past two decades people said we want to make a movie and they said absolutely not. this is the first time when they said it might work. >> we'll run a clip and talk on the other side. a clip called "the proposal." set it up for me. >> one of the couples we follow, one of the characters is boyfriend/girlfriend. they met the year before because of comic con. they met in a coffee shop as they were looking at their books. i'm going comic con. they went together. they started dating. fell in love. this comic con they are going together and she doesn't know that he wants to propose to her. >> here it is. >> we started dating one year ago at comic con. and i was wondering -- >> where is she? >> right here. >> stand up! stand up! >> if she would be willing to marry me and spend our lives togeth together. >> oh my god. >> the crowd goes wild. kevin smith. >> 6,000 people standing ovation for them. it is one of the most beautiful parts of that movie. >> did he give you a power ring? >> he actually had the company that manufactures the lord of the rings rings make the ring for her. >> technically he did. >> he did have the one ring to rule them all. >> what do you make of the growth of comic con? it's small. >> it started very small with comic book dealers and then it was about collectibles and it became about bringing in celebrities that surrounded this kind of world and now it's grown. comic con has -- it's great. it's fantastic. it touched all of us. all of us have a geek inside of it whether you want to admit it or not. >> i love that he got on one knee. that's the cutest thing. >> you got a "green lantern" t-shirt. i know you do. >> how much is about big movies coming up next year based on comic characters. >> the movie industry has destroyed comic con. the movie industry destroyed media coverage of comic con. you go to comic con, there are 150,000 people there. 6,000 watching launch of movies. there are many who are not watching the release. >> i love it. it looks great. still ahead on "starting point," an $800,000 government party that we paid for. a clown a comedian. a mind reader. not good enough to say you're going to be in a lot of trouble when this is over. we'll talk about that straight ahead. also whitney houston's final performance. we'll look at "sparkle." i'm dying to see this. ♪ na, na... ♪ na, na-na, na [ men ] ♪ hey, hey, hey ♪ goodbye [ flushing ] ♪ [ both ] ♪ na, na... 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"starting point" begins right now. >> that's off morgan's playlist. let's get to our panelist this morning. we have the daughter of jon huntsman here. morgan is here, documentary filmmaker and will cain columnist for blaze.com. tragedy in oakland, california. i'm trying to think of how many times i covered shooters -- >> i've been on your show off and on for two months and this is third time we've had to talk about it. >> it's so sad. such a tragedy. you hear the survivors' stories about decision. you heard that wuyoung woman ta about how she locked the door and she felt there was no way to be safe unless they locked themselves in. we're talking about the shooting rampage that and at oakos university. we spoke to a witness who was nearby when they heard shots. >> i wanted to make sure my aunt was okay. after that guns were fired and then i saw during that process a lady with a hole in her arm. it was really chaotic at the scene. >> you can see that woman there is holding sort of a sweatshirt or something over her arm. the weapon was a .45 millimeter handgun which would leave if you are shot with that a gaping hole. we spoke this morning with the police chief. his name is howard jordan. he said the suspect is 43-year-old one goh. a former student who was seeking revenge. >> he said to us that he was upset with the administration. he was a student there and while he was a student he had been picked on, wasn't treated fairly by students and administrators and he wanted to get back at them. we're not certain what type of problems he was having with students but we know he was reupset and very distraught about the administration and the way they treated him in the past. >> records show that goh a korean native and naturalized citizen lost his mother and brother in the past year and was struggling with more than $20,000 in tax debt. he was a student at oikos university before he was kicked out several months ago. a resident of nearby alameda county where the suspect was arrested an hour after the shooting. tell me what happened. you were at a shopping center when you saw the police commotion. what exactly happened? >> you know, i went to safeway to pick up a few apples and oranges and i saw the gentleman, the shooter, as i identified to be -- i forget his name. but he was by the front door. there's a restroom that's right by the front door of the safeway. we made eye contact with each other. i went and picked up a couple odds and ends and i came out of the supermarket and the gentleman was arresteded by the alameda police department and he was arrested. there was a female officer and a male officer that was arresting him right in front of the safeway. >> when you saw him the first time when you walked into the store, what was his demeanor like? was he just standing there? did he seem anxious? >> he did look a little bit distraught. he did look like he was sweaty. he looked at me and he looked directly when you walk into the safeway, there are restrooms to the left of that store entrance. i didn't see him after that when i was coming out of the store. i did see him arrested in front of the store. like i said at that time i don't think they realized he was the shooter. i had gone home, which i live three blocks away. i forgot to pick up stamps. i turned the news on because i saw a couple helicopters flying above. and they said that they had somebody that they had arrested but it was in front of a clothing store, which sits on completely on the other side of the store. so at that point, yes, it is completely on the other side so i went back 20 minutes later to get stamps and that's when i was approached. the security guard saw me as the person that came out of the store right after the gentleman that they had arrested for this horrific crime. >> you think he went inside to the bathroom and came back outside. when i talked to the police chief this morning he said one of the big issues where they're not getting cooperation is where is the weapon? i shot people with a .45 millimeter handgun but they haven't found the gun yet. was he carrying anything when you saw him? >> that was my impression. it looked like a routine like he got caught shoplifting. they asked him to spread his legs apart. there was just a female officer and a male officer there at the time. there was no other officers on site. they were patting him down. they patted him down. i saw the whole thing. at that point it seemed like they did not find any weapon. so again like i said, i don't think they realized that he was the shooter involved in this horrific incident here in oakland. >> at least not at the beginning. lisa, thank you. we appreciate your time. got other headlines to get to. christine has those for us. hi, christine. >> three crucial gop primaries today. nearly 100 delegates are on the line in wisconsin, maryland and washington d.c. mitt romney leads in the polls in all three of today's contests. wisconsin is the big prize with a haul of 42 winner take all delegates. rick santorum vowing to stay in even if he loses all three primaries today. >> the month of may is rich with delegates and are strong states for us. states like texas and arkansas and kentucky and indiana and west virginia and north carolina. those are the states that we know we can get this back right back to where it is right now which is closer than mitt romney and the pundits are spinning. it's a very close race. by the end of may, we expect this race to be very close to even. >> romney insists a win in wisconsin would mean the campaign is effectively over for his rivals. this just into cnn. james murdoch is expected to step down today from his position with bskyb. he's been under fire for handling of the controversial phone hacking scandal. murdoch expected to make the announcement after a board meeting today. good news about gas prices. they dropped this morning. .2 to $3.92 on average for a gallon of regular. don't spend it all in one place. that's the first drop in more than three weeks. we're still about 19 cents shy of that all-time high of $4.11 from july 2008. take a look at kentucky fans celebrating the big ncaa championship win last night. things got out of hand quickly. thousands poured into the streets. more than 30 fires set. police say one man was wounded in a shooting. they arrested dozens of people. all of this after the big wildcats win over the kansas jayhawks. there you go. >> thank you. that man who was shot apparently had not life threatening injuries which is good news. that's just craziness. still ahead this morning on "starting point," dire warning about debt. simon johnson has a new book out called white house burning with a warning our way of life could change and dramatically if we don't change how we look at the economy right now. video of a big rig going over a cliff. we'll talk about the driver of that tow truck and we'll leave you with will cain's playlist. i love willie nelson. you're watching 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>> i just know the song is good. >> i was trying to get the pronunciation and she didn't know. a handful of leading economist people look to and one is the author of a new book called "white house burning." simon johnson is former chief economist of the fund and he joins us this morning. nice to see you. i love the title of this book. the back story is really fascinating. tell us about the war of 1812 and white house burning. >> the war of 1812 the united states was not prepared. the war hawks were in charge of congress. they wanted to cut taxes. military was not well taken care of and the british won. the british won a massive victory. they took washington and burned every official building in august 1814 including the white house, one of the most awful defeats the u.s. ever suffered and point of the book is let's not go there. we have time. we don't have to have a fiscal catastrophe again. this is not a crisis moment to slash everything. this is moment for reasserting the spirit of fiscal responsibility we found after the war of 1812. >> when the british came in and tried to burn down the treasury, take everything out, there was nothing to take. >> that was a small silver lining for the american side. it was empty. the u.s. was actually broke at that moment. we must not forget that. america is an exceptional country that can achieve and has achieved great things but we can run ourselves into the ground that's what we did in the war of 1812. >> after the war, after 1814, the thinking about debt changed dramatically. and then it kind of changed again more like in the 1970s. >> some of the original thinking was established during the war of independence when the u.s. struggled to pay for what it needed. constitutional convention was about establishing the power of revel kn the federal government. both sides or the entire political spectrum agreed you need to be careful and pay for what you spend. we had that until the 1980s until we started to become obsessed with we don't have to pay for what we get and can borrow. what's your favorite thing? foreign war. tax cuts. we can borrow to do that. all of these things end up and create a problem when you can't borrow from the rest of the world to an indefinite amount. >> we owe $15 trillion and roughly speaking that's about 50 grand per person that we owe mostly to china, correct? >> about 50% of the debt that we have outstanding is held by foreigners. actual numbers of what we owe and not what government owes itself is more like $10.5 trillion. it's a lot of money. no question about it. you don't have to pay it off at one goe. on previous debt surges in american history used to be for wars until the reen one, dead would go up. we would pay our way through the crisis and then bring the debt down in a gradual responsible manner. >> how do you do that now? what's your philosophy of how you bring that debt down and not cutting programs because it seems like an either or right now. >> i think you need a little bit of both. you need revenue first and foremost. our book is about raising revenue and sustainable responsible manner more than other proposals around the budget and we want to control spending. health care spending needs to be contained. we would make adjustments on social security without question that would be a good idea. mostly it's about revenue. we undermine our ability to produce revenue at the federal level in this country too much. >> the book is about revenue. do we have to have an honest conversation with americans that say in 30 years or so every single tax dollar we collect is going to go toward medicare and social security and entitlement programs we love so much. we have to explain that can't continue. >> this is the right conversation to have over 20 to 30 years. here's another part of the conversation. if you just push those health care costs off federal budget and push them on families and businesses, that will ruin the economy too. it's health care spending that needs to be controlled. congressional budget office has scored congressman paul ryan's budget clear saying it will reduce federal spending on health care and increase health care spending as percent of gdp. cfos are shocked. it's not good for private business. >> if i adopt what the left would propose and take taxes as high as we can, it will have a bad effect. >> this is do not extend bush era tax cuts for anyone, which have very unpopular with my political friends. >> you're talking about the middle class. >> the middle class is america. the middle class is base america. it's revenue for america. that's absolutely essential. >> politically -- >> you just made a lot of enemies on television audiences today and good for you. >> politically also outside of making personal enemies and they will be tweeting you later, it might be an impossible sell in an election year. we talk about context where both sides see these conversations as no gain. coming together used to be a positive thing in the political process. now it is seen as weakness. >> i don't think they'll come together in sense of forming a consensus. president obama has a powerful speech today when he'll take on congressman paul ryan's budget proposals. >> he'll say we need to raise taxes on rich, middle class we'll keep you where you are and you can keep your medicare. am i wrong? >> this book is not pandering to the president or to the right. this is our own view. we're trying to claim middle ground. here's an interesting moment that will come. the bush era tax cuts are up for extension. the president could veto the entire package and then come back to the republicans who may well control both houses of congress and would like to control the house and come back and say here's a tax cut i'm designing linked to popularity and as economy recovers, the tax cut will fade away. the rule will be implemented. if he puts his middle class tax cut, that will be a clever political maneuver. that would move you a little bit in the right direction. you have to pay for what you get. there's no free lunch in this economy. >> the president's speech this afternoon, we'll watch that. thank you very much. the book is called white house burning. history of the book is amazing. appreciate it. still ahead on "starting point," speaking of spending for things you want, $7,000 for sushi. 6,000 for commemorative coins. that's a sneak peek at the tab for a big government party that happened in las vegas. we, taxpayers, paid for it. we'll tell you what you got straight ahead. the first look at whitney houston's final performance. a sneak peek of her movie, "sparkle." if you are heading to work, go to our live blog at cnn.com/startingpoint. 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[ male announcer ] learn how to protect your heart at i am proheart on facebook. good morning. welcome back to "starting point." let's get to christine. >> we are getting a clearer picture this morning of motivation behind a deadly shooting spree that left seven people dead at a small christian college in oakland. gunfire erupted yesterday morning at tiny oikos university in california. police say a former student, 43-year-old one goh of oakland was looking for one particular administrator after being dismissed from the school earlier this year. oakland's police chief giving cnn exclusive details of the terror that unfolded. >> he said to us that he was upset with the administration. he was a student there and while he was a student he had been picked on and wasn't treated fairly by students and administrator and he wanted to get back at them. we're not certain what type of problems he was having with students. we know that he was very upset and very distraught about the administration and the way that they had treated him in the past. >> goh was captured at a grocery store five miles from the university about 90 minutes after that shooting. two ft. bliss soldiers and civilian have reportedly vanished from a weekend trip in new mexico. specialist atton weber and sergeant nicholas nummert joined a civilian on a kayaking trip down a river. none of the three have returned. police found a white suburban monday they believe the group was driving. investigators say they have not uncovered anything suspicious. mystery for terrorism experts. key al qaeda websites used to recruit terrorists and call for attacks on the west. these websites have been dark for the past two weeks. some believe they were taken down in a cyberattack but no one has claimed responsibility. come to your screen and look at this disturbing new poster. it shows the new york skyline and then the words al qaeda coming soon again in new york. it's been posted on several arabic language websites. new york police and fbi are investigating where it came from but they say there's no specific credible threat. over the edge literally. incredible video of an 18 wheeler busting through a divider going over a snowy cliff and rolling down a hill. watch the tow truck. watch the tow truck. the tow truck goes down with it. this happened in norway. police say the driver went down with the rig. he survived. he has several broken bones. the tow truck driver thankfully bailed out in time. mitt romney shut down a question about his mormon faith during a campaign event in wisconsin. a man began reading an old passage from a mormon text that describes people with black skin as cursed. romney cut him off. the man then asked the gop candidate whether he believes it's a sin for inter racial couples to have children. romney was visibly annoyed and gave a kurt response. >> i'm sorry. we're not going to have a discussion about religion in my view. if you have a question, i would be happy to answer your question. >> i guess my question is do you believe it's a sin for a white man to marry and proek rerate with a black? >> that answers the question. the man incorrectly says he's quoting the book of mormon but is reading a verse in another mormon scripture, a part of the pearl of great price. hatch spoke to reporters after the event. >> he just said he wasn't mormon. i was trying to read these things. they wouldn't let me read them. just basically i think that's an important issue. he's going up against a black guy. he's going against obama. it's a racial issue. >> hatch says he's a ron paul supporter. >> interesting. all right. thank you. new higher resolution surveillance videotape from the night that trayvon martin was killed shows george zimmerman in handcuffs roughly 30 minutes after the shooting. the tape has been enhance and people say they can see read marks on the back of george zimmerman's head almost on the top of his head. it could support zimmerman's story he was attacked by martin. others say they don't see any blood and you don't see any bandages or serious injuries right there. this morning we speak to frank, george's former neighbor and friend. thanks for talking to us. we appreciate it. give me a sense of how much you talked to george zimmerman. have you spoken to him since the shooting? >> no. he left me a voice mail approximately about a week and a half ago. i did see the videotape. soledad, it's clear that there are welts or gashes on the back of his head. one thing i would like to bring up is emts administered first aid at the scene, which was our residence. therefore when he was in care, custody and control of the sanford police department, they ensured his care through the efforts of the seminole county emergency services. that's why you don't see him like he came out of a 12-round fight like rocky balboa against apollo creed. >> you don't see him with even a band-aid on his head. looks like there's a laceration from that enhawaiianced videota. there's no bandage. there's nothing covering his head. if he was seen by paramedics if it was a terrible gash, it wouldn't be over the line in suggesting that a band-aid or a wrap or bandage would be indicative of a very serious head injury. >> i'm not a medical expert. you know, i've had gashes on my head, contusions that bleeding had sessated at some point. we have to remember they were there for a duration of time in which the paramedics administered first aid before they released him to the police to go downtown. you won't see as graphic as america wants to see a bloodied t-shirt, whatever y'all are looking for, he did sustain -- i mean, you know -- >> let me stop you there for one second. i totally hear you on that. i'm not sure what america wants to see. i'll say i do think that there is a time stamp on that police video. >> they want to see some sort of blood. they want to see some sort of gore. before he was released -- >> my sense is and i'll ask you a question on the other side of it. when someone claims that they've been slammed against concrete for a solid minute that people would think that there are injuries to the head that would be consistent with that. i guess what people are trying to see are those injuries consistent. >> they are. look at the tape again. >> do you see a bandage or band-aid on it? >> i did see welts. i did see swelling. i did see cuts all consistent with george's story. >> of having his head slammed on concrete for a minute. i want to talk to you about your neighborhood. i know you have quoted in the paper as talking about some burglaries. >> neighborhood. that's a great name. >> what do you mean? >> we had eight burglaries in our neighborhood all perpetrated by young black males in the 15 months prior to trayvon being shot. it would have been nine -- there would have been nine but george zimmerman through his efforts of being a neighborhood watch captain helped stop one in progress. documented in the 911 calls february 2nd. my house was being robbed and george on his nightly rounds watched this burglary in progress, called sanford pd, waited for them, and helped ensure that nothing bad happened to my house. and it's documented the 911 call for february 2nd. that was my residence that george zimmerman helped stop -- >> let's talk about the eight priors. they were perpetrated by young black men. how many cases did they arrest people? how many were they actually convicted? >> one i know where the perpetrator was apprehended. it was a daylight robbery in january of this year. the young black male went in during the daytime just two houses down from where my place was. and he was apprehended five days later by by the sanford police on a tip from the general repair folks that were working on our homes who watched the whole thing going down. >> it made sense to you that george zimmerman would be fearful of young black men. >> no. it would be consistent that the perpetrators were all of the young black male i.d. >> say that one more time? >> that's a fact. >> what do you mean? i don't understand what you're saying. >> all of the perpetrators of the burglaries, the prior burglaries, were young black males. >> and so when he saw trayvon martin in your mind it would make perfect sense to say he's a young black male. he's probably robbery, is that what you're saying? >> there's an old saying if you plant corn, you get corn. >> i don't know that saying. i'll have to ask you to tell me what that means. what does that mean in this case? >> it is what it is. it is what it is. i would go on record by stating that of the eight prior burglaries in the 15 months prior to the trayvon martin shooting, all of the perpetrators were young, black males. >> you mentioned one. >> you made mention of one you are talking about in a particular case of your house and then one other. you are talking about two i would have to confirm. my question is i'm trying to connect the dots to what that means for that night and that shooting. are you saying that because there was a sense that -- >> i use the phrase -- no disrespect to george clooney. it was a perfect storm. >> meaning what? >> all of the ingredients were set up. the prior burglaries were committed or perpetrated by young black males. george was on his rounds. and it just was first of all, soledad, it's a tragedy. i'm not condoning the use of the lethal weapon in this case. let me just out that. secondly, it was just a perfect storm that all the components were there for this tragedy to transpire. >> frank, this is will cain. can i ask you a quick question with that knowledge you are sharing with us right now that you had eight previous robberies by your definition by young, black men. had you at your neighborhood watch meetings talked about this? had you paid particular attention to that and said let's be on the lookout for young black men in the neighborhood? >> can you repeat that. >> what you shared with us, was that something discussed in your neighborhood meetings where you had been robbed by young black men and need to pay attention? >> no. young black men were never the topic of discussion. it was just the fact that we had been robbed. it was never brought up -- >> let me ask you one other question. you said this. you're quoted in "the new york times" talking about these burglaries. they were trayvon-like dudes with their pants down. i think part of that means -- >> i never said that. >> that's a misquote from "the new york times"? >> i never said that. yes, it is. >> okay. >> i never used that term and i would go on record i never said that. >> trying to make sense. george zimmerman's family's contention is that george never racially profiled trayvon martin but a lot of what i hear from you today sounds like he might have in fact and that would have been appropriate. is that what you're sharing with us? >> once again, we're having some sort of technical difficulty here. i can't hear the question. >> what i'm saying is george zimmerman's family contended that george did not racially profile trayvon martin but some of what you're sharing with us today sounds like you're suggesting it might have been appropriate if he had. >> george did not surveil just one group of people. it was an effort on his part to surveil everyone who looked suspicious. not just as times call it trayvon-like dudes. >> in your mind did young black men look suspicious because there were eight burglaries by your count? >> everyone that rolled through our neighborhood looked suspicion after eight burglaries. our neighborhood was on heightened alert to all suspicious individuals whether it was latin, latinos, white, whatever the case is. it just wasn't specifically one group of individuals. >> that sounds to me like you are contradicting what you said to me earlier, sir. >> you are asking me if george profiled one group of people in my mind. george looked at the whole landscape when he surveilled our property. it just so happened that the prior eight burglaries were all perpetrated by young black males. >> all right. we'll leave it there. frank taaffe joining us. thanks for your time this morning. appreciate it. got to take a short break. we're back in a moment. ♪ ♪ why do you whisper, green grass? 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>> aren't you worried? even just a little. he's a boy, a large black boy, sleeping under the same roof. >> shame on you. >> shame on you. that's a clip from the movie "the blind side." leigh anne tuohy had an adopted black son who faced uncomfortable moments of racism. we're interested in chatting with you because much of this conversation around the trayvon martin case has focused on racism. when you brought michael orr into your family and adopted him, he was a grown child. he was a big kid. literally a big kid. you got a lot of backlash which they showed in the movie from your friends. >> we did. everyone has an opinion. everyone wanted to share their opinion with us. we had an understanding in the family of what was going to happen and where we would be going with this. we were very grounded. it didn't affect us. it's unfortunate that people look at you what you wear, what you have on and pingeon hole yo and make decisions about who you are and what you're going to do. >> did that happen in real life? >> the director spent a lot of time with us. he saw after situation after situation after situation that lended itself to what you just saw. to make it in a blip to invoke an emotion with an audience he used that scene. what i loved about it was after the movie, six months, eight months, i still run into people and they would go, that wasn't me in that scene? i don't know, was it? guilty conscience can do a lot. >> what kind of conversations are you having about race now or do you think need to be had about race. you're in an interesting position. white mother, black son conversations about race coming from all sides from black people, from white people. >> i think first of all that we allude ourselves by thinking that racism is not alive and well. we want to pat ourselves on the back and say we're doing a great job and we're conquering racism. not really. it's alive and well in this country. it's not necessarily a white/black thing. it can be hispanic. it is not -- when you think racism, you think it's whites against blacks or blacks against whites and that's -- it encompasses much more than that. it encompasses jewish people and overweight children on a playground. >> discrimination across the board. >> across the board. we need to start with education. we need to educate people. start with parenting. try getting off your butt and being a parent. that will change a lot and move the needle if you parent your kid and stop trying to be their best friend. be their parent. >> what will fallout do you think from the trayvon martin case? >> i don't know because it's gotten so many tentacles now that are far outreaching what the message needs to be. look, i have an 18-year-old white son that wears hoodies all the time. people look at him strange and oddly. we have to in our minds stop judging everybody about every little thing. be more accepting of others. be more caring. be more loving. put yourself in someone else's shoes. the view behind you is a whole lot different looking than the view in front of you. turn around and let's just try to get along and quit just -- i don't know. >> you' you're going to get me on preaching and that's losing focus. there's a lot that we can do by doing a little. >> how is michael doing and how has the movie affected your life and his? you walk the streets and people say i feel like you're my mother and movie impacted my life so much and how has it affected his life most importantly? >> it affected everyone's life. all three of the kids. not just michael's. you know, everybody is in a good spot right now. the ravens had an excellent season. i don't know if you follow nfl football. we had an excellent season. so close. i'm telling you, it was fun. a great ride. he's enjoyed the off-season. he is handling this beautifully. all three of our kids realize the power the message has and they've been great stewards of it. everyone has value. the fact that michael orr pulled himself up and we just really allowed michael to become the person he was supposed to become. >> we're so grateful you came in to talk to us this morning. we're watching this case as closely as you are. end point up next. pleasure to have you. 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