Many times, but it does bear repeating today. Survey after survey show that Donald Trumps numbers have risen with each of his four indictments, and the first gop debate, which he skipped, changed nothing as to his hold on the party. Look for deeply at the polls, and you find the reason why. Republicans largely share trumps opinion that the indictments are political. One recent example, the Wall Street Journal earlier this week found that trump is the first choice of 59 of republican primary voters, up 11 since april. His lead over his closest competitor, ron desantis, just keeps rising. Desantis is at 13 nationally, barely ahead of the rest of the field at this point. Why is trump so strong despite being indicted four times . Because republicans largely agree with his claims of election fraud. That same Wall Street Journal story points out this, asked about the indictments of trump, more than 60 of republican primary voters said each was politically motivated, and without merit. Some 78 said trumps actions after the 2020 election were legitimate efforts to ensure an accurate vote. About half or 48 said the indictments made them more likely to vote for trump in 2024. And a new poll from cnn has found that 71 of republicans say biden didnt legitimately win enough votes for the presidency. These views have held for quite some time. A poll from reuters found that 25 of americans blame trumps loss to biden on illegal voting, and yet that same poll found 54 of republicans think the january 6th day was the work of violent left wing protesters trying to make trump look bad. Some more data, in georgia, the only state to bring an election related prosecution against trump where the former president is being charged with election interference under the states rico laws, a majority of likely republican primary voters, they agree with him. This from the Atlanta Journal constitution and the university of georgia, when asked, do you believe there was widespread voter fraud in the 2020 election, 61 say yes. In that same poll, georgia likely republican primary voters were asked if they think politics played a role to indict trump in that decision in the peach state. 84 said yes, politics played a big role. Now two updates. First, an academic conversation has been building as to whether donald trump is barred from running under a constitutional clause that prohibits those who engage in an insurrection or rebellion against the constitution from Holding Higher office. Two Law Professors spent a year looking at the issue and are opining in a forthcoming article at the University Of Pennsylvania that the Pre Collusion does apply. I had a recent guest here making that case. There is, however, a difference of opinion among academics. Among the impediments to the applicability is the question of whether it would apply to a former president and the lack of any judicial finding that trump has engaged in insurrection. In fact, among the 91 counts that trump faces, none are for insurrection or saedition. He was indicted for in siciteme but later acquitted by the senate. Ultimately, such a case might reach the supreme court, but guess who believes the 14th Amendment should not be applied . Brad raffensperger, the georgia secretary of state, yes, the recipient of what trump calls a perfect phone call, as in this so, look, all i want to do is this, i just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have, because we won the state. That call was largely the predicate for the prosecution of trump in georgia, and yet writing for the Wall Street Journal this week, raffensperger argued the following, mr. Trump might win the nomination and General Election, or he could lose. The outcomes should be determined by the people who show up to make their preference known in primaries, including georgias on march 12th and the General Election on november 5th, a process that denies voters their chance to be the deciding factor in the nomination and election process would erode the belief in our uniquely american representative democracy. Meanwhile, this week in colorado, a Progressive Group filed a lawsuit to bar trump from appearing on that states primary ballot, the complaint was filed on behalf of six republican and unaffiliated voters called citizens for responsibility and ethics in washington. The secretary of state responded that she welcomed the guidance that the litigation would bring. In most states the secretary of state is the chief Election Official who can decide if a candidate is qualified to run for president in their state. Now colorado isnt the only state where there are active or potential steps to have trump barred from running for office. Trumps lawyers responded yesterday requesting that a judge move the lawsuit to federal court because it cites a federal law, namely the 14th Amendment. So four prosecutions under way that have been to trumps political benefit at least in the short term, now a new challenge looms which might have the same impact. I want to know what you think. Go to my website at smerconish. Com this hour and vote on this weeks Poll Question, about the lawsuit to bar trump from the colorado ballot under the 14th Amendment help or hurt him politically . My next guest is the colorado secretary of state, jenna gris wald, who chairs the association of secretaries of state and has been a critic of former president trumps efforts to overturn the 2020 election. Thank you so much for being here. Brad raffensperger has your job in georgia, he said it would be essentially unamerican to remove trump this way from the ballot. Do you agree with him . Well, not necessarily. So i read brads oped and it does not cite georgia law, it does not get into the constitution itself, and i think its a good political take. But ultimately, if the Constit Constitution Disqualifies the former president , we have to uphold the constitution. So i wouldnt say brad is right or wrong. I would say there are major constitutional questions and also questions of state law. And all of us have different state law that should be considered by a court. You know that much of this conversation springs from a forthcoming Law Review Journal at the University Of Pennsylvania law school. Have you read it, do you agree with the conclusion . Are you of the opinion that donald trump should be precluded because of the 14th Amendment . I am of the opinion that this is a big constitutional question. Section 3 of the 14th Amendment clearly lays out that if someone swears to uphold the constitution and then later engages in insurrection or rebellion or aid or comfort to the enemies of the constitution, they cannot serve in office. You know, this amendment has been applied before, family during reconstruction when hundreds of former confederate soldiers and Office Holders were removed. So there are some big questions. For example, does the Amendment Bar Someone who would be disqualified under it from running for office or just being seated in office . Who gets to make that decision . Theres also questions about how to consider such disqualification under state law. So i am a big proponent of this needs to go and be decided by courts, and thats exactly what is happening in the state of colorado. I hope this litigation gives guidance to myself, but also other secretaries of state across the nation. What if youre called upon to exercise discretion . Youve been very critical of the former president during your victory speech, referencing him stealing the presidency or attempting to do so, the use of conspiracies and lies to incite an insurrection. If it comes down to authority placed in your hands, can you be fair to him . Absolutely. And i think being fair is considering the facts. You know, donald trump did incite an insurrection. He did try to steal the election from the American People. Now, that does not mean that at this Point A Court would determine that that is disqualifying, and in terms of what would i do with discretion, were not quite there. On top of these big state and constitutional questions, theres also a process that has to play out. He has not even submitted his paperwork yet to get onto the ballot in colorado. The Colorado Republican Party has not taken the steps they need to for ballot access. So the question is premature. And what i hope is that a court will resolve some of these big outstanding questions before we get to Ballot Certification in december or excuse me, in january. The paperwork is in december. Understood. Quick final question. You heard my commentary. I think i make a compelling case based on data about how each of the four indictments has been to his benefit politically, and that i anticipate this challenge will do likewise. Whats your thought on that . Honestly, this isnt about the politics for me. My job as secretary of state is to follow colorado law and uphold the u. S. Constitution. I do agree that theres various ways to hold someone accountable. Criminal charges are about personally Holding Trump accountable for his actions in trying to steal the election and all the other actions hes taken. The American Voters also will play a huge role. Theyve rejected this chaos in various elections, 2018, 2020, 2022, and im confident that the American People will once again uphold democracy, safeguard democracy, so that this country continues to be one of a strong democracy going into the future. Thank you so much for being here. We really appreciate it. Thank you. What are your thoughts . Hit me up on social media. Ill get to some throughout the course of the program. From the world of twitter, x, helps him, unless by some miracle all states keep him off the ballot. Magas are going to vote for him regardless. If hes kept off the ballot, theyll have no avenue in which to do so. I think the logical conclusion is that and you heard the polling data. Its stunning. In georgia theres no state in the country that has received as much attention in georgia, and yet the republican likely primary voters in the peach state are lockstep with him in his belief and assertions. So i dont know why the colorado challenge would be viewed any differently from likely republican voters. Thats what im trying to bring out. But i want you to vote at smerconish. Com. The question today, will the lawsuit to bar trump from the colorado ballot under the 14th Amendment help or hurt him politically . Ahead, hurricane lee, just the latest entry into our summer of wild climate dynamics, which includes the hottest temperatures ever recorded. Even if you dont believe in Climate Change or dont live in the hurricane zone, you may still take a serious financial hit as a result of extreme weather. Ill explain in just a moment. Plus, a storm of a different sort, the mediaesque kind sort, following dr. Anthony faucis appearance with me to discuss the rise of covid and whether america will ever mask up again, the fallout was over a study from the Cochran Library that did a wideranging look on the effectiveness of masks, an author of that study, the primary author, is here in just a moment. Hey david. Connect with an advisor to create your personalized plan. Lets find the right investments for your goals okay, great. J. P. Morgan Wealth Management. The allnew tempurpedic breeze makes sleep feel cool. So, no more sweating all night. Or blasting the air conditioning. Because the tempurbreeze feels up to 10 cooler, all night long. For a limited time, save up to 700 on select tempurpedic Adjustable Mattress sets. [baby crying] wherever you go. Wherever you stay. All you need is one key. Earn and use rewards across expedia, hotels. Com, and vrbo. Conquer financial reports. Conquer 2000word essays. Conquer a 6 course menu. 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Let us be honest as republicans, im the only person on the stage who isnt bought and paid for, so i can say this. The Climate Change agenda is a hoax. Whoa, whoa, whoa. We have to declare independence. And the reality is, the anticarbon agenda is the wet blanket on our economy. The reality is more people are dying of bad Climate Change policies than they are of actual Climate Change. Might the free markets actually disagree . Consider florida, where disasters have pushed Homeowners Insurance to four times the national average, with hurricanes, wildfires, floods and tornadoes leveling homes across the country. As my next guest recently reported in the Washington Post under the headline home insurers cut Natural Disasters. Some say extreme weather has led them to end certain coverages, exclude Natural Disaster preks and raise premiums. Its author joins me now. Hes a Business Reporter for the Washington Post. Thank you so much for being here. So despite extreme weather, the scientists and the politicians have not been able to convince some among us of the peril of Climate Change, but this kind of brings it home in a different way, dont you agree . Absolutely. I think thats the key takeaway here. If you dont want to listen to the scientists, thats your prerogative. If you dont like certain politicians, thats your right as an american. But the free market is going to speak to all of us, and thats what were looking at here. Major home insurers saying, hey, our business, this is too risky for us to insure your home against certain Natural Disasters because of Climate Change. Jacob, what coverages are they now going to exclude . What are we talking about . So were not looking at every insurer, but we are looking at five of the biggest ten insurers, allstate, nationwide, american family, berkshire hathaway, and theres another, but were on tv, so here you go. What were looking at is if youre in hurricane country, for example, theyll still sell you a policy in some areas, but theyre not going to sell you coverage that protects you against hurricane damage. So if a pipe bursts in your home, youre insured. If you have a house fire, youre insured. If wind from a hurricane destroys part of your roof, youre out of luck. Wildfire country, a pipe bursts in your home, covered. If you have wind damage or hail damage from a storm, probably covered. If a wildfire burns your home down or theres smoke damage, probably out of luck. Jacob, the rub here is that if im the lender, roif im the mortgage company, im going to insist that you do have that coverage or im not going to underwrite your loan. I want to put something on the screen from your piece. This is for the benefit of people at home who say im not in a high risk area, so i guess i dont have to worry. Insurance markets, you wrote, especially those that serve many regions across the country rely on relatively stable Risk Projections when it comes to Natural Disasters, by balancing wildfire risks in the pacific northwest, with hurricanes in the early fall in the southeast, and Winter Storms in the upper midwest, insurers can spread risks across constituencies, in Theory Providers can collect monthly premiums from a broad clientele without paying out claims on too many large scale disasters at once. The point is, and i remember this discussion in the context of the Affordable Care act, Everybody Needs to be in the pool so that the risk can be spread and dissipated, right . But ultimately were all going to feel the financial impact. You get the final word. Youre right, michael, and this Climate Crisis is coming for all of us one way or another. When we look at home insurance, we live in a country where a broad risk, and so even if im not affected by a disaster, the economy is going to be affected by a disaster, and in this case its home insurance. Your deductible is going to go up, or it might just be harder for you to find a policy. Jacob, thank you for writing the piece and thank you for being here. Thank you. Some social media reaction. What do we have on this subject . Florida had 150 hurricanes since 1850, but the last was due to Climate Change . Have you not noted the uptick in extreme weather that the people far more credentialed than yours truly attribute to Climate Change . And on the subject of the risk pool, it reminds me oh, heres some buzz words, of obamacare. It always made sense to me. The way we were able to provide coverage for those with preexisting conditions was to get everybody in the pool, including the socalled young in vi vincibles. Do you remember that discussion . The only way that folks who are in the path of repeated storms are going to be able to get coverage is if everybody else is sharing that burden. The point is, it impacts us all. Yeah, the markets are speaking. You dont want to believe michael mann, the climatologist . Think about what the market is going to tell us. On a different subject, go to smerconish. Com and answer this weeks Poll Question. Will the lawsuit to bar trump from the colorado ballot under the 14th Amendment help or hurt him politically . Ahead, the convicted murderer cavalcante, who has been on the loose in the philly area for ten days, may have made a pit stop in the home of my guest, who happily survived, and is joining us in just a couple of minutes to tell the tale. And last saturday i had dr. Anthony fauci here to discuss whether america would ever again mask up. Needless to say all Hell Broke Loose when we discussed the Cochran Library mask study. 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Missouri senator josh hawley tweeted simply, never again. Due to such backlash, the post reported the Maryland School ended up having to boost security and hold recess indoors. President ial hopeful nikki haley said this to fox news on wednesday. The parents can decide whether they want their children to go to school when theres a possible outbreak or not. But dont sit there and mask them back up. Were already dealing with kids dealing with stress and depression and anxiety, and these younger kids, they have to see their teachers faces, they have to be able to do that to learn. A group of Senate Republicans unveiled legislation to prohibit federal Mask Mandates through the end of 2024 on domestic air travel, Public Transit and public schools. This all amidst a weeklong media storm about my interview here last week with dr. Anthony fauci about whether americans would mask up again if the cdc were to recommend they do so. Here is one of our exchanges. Brett stevens in the times talked about cochran. Put that on the screen. The most rigorous and comprehensive analysis of scientific studies conducted on the efficacy of mask for reducing the spread of respiratory illness, including covid19, was publish last month. Its conclusions, said the oxford epidemiologist, were unambiguous. There is just no evidence that they, masks, make any difference. But there are other studies, michael, that show at an individual level for individual, when youre talking about the effect on the epidemic or the pandemic as a whole, the data are less strong. But when you talk about as an individual basis of someone protecting themselves or protecting themselves from spreading it to others, theres no doubt that there are many studies that show that there is an advantage. When you look at the broad population level like The Cochran Study, the data are less firm with regard to the effect on the overall pandemic. But were not talking about that. Were talking about an individuals effect on their own safety. Thats a bit different than the broad population level. Within hours, all Hell Broke Loose. Senator rand paul tweeted out a clip saying fauci admits that masks dont work for the public at large, but still absurdly claims masks work on an individual basis. Immediately after, a variety of outlets all piled on, lending their assessment in their headline writing. The New York Post roasted fauci by saying that he was a fraud and a liar after being confronted with damning studies on mafbs. Newsweek said it sparks furious backlash. The independent, fauci reviewed study claiming masks dont work. Et cetera, et cetera. And, of course, fox news and news max then joined in. Some do not want to let go of the panic surrounding covid19, including the Mad Scientist himself, who was on cnn over the weekend and really pushing back against so much science. Just like the seasonal flu, tony the terrible are back and circulating on air. This exchange that Anthony Fauci had with Michael Smerconish on cnn literally i couldnt believe it. The way they let him get away with this. Follow the science or follow this loser . Dr. Fauci getting confronted with a damning study on masks. There is a perception out there by many, how many, i dont know, that they dont work. Was smerconish actually also wearing a mask . The flames were still being fanned thursday by post columnist Miranda Devine who wrote masks dont work, dr. Fauci should use one to gag himself. The article was published earlier this year, an aggregate analysis on scientific studies of the effectiveness of masks. Cochran has been called a highly reputable source and systemic reviews are considered the Gold Standard of medical analysis. So i thought i would go to the source, the first author of The Cochran Study, and hear his side of the controversy. Dr. Tom jefferson joins me now, an epidemiologist and senior Associate Tutor at the university of oxford. Okay, doctor, thank you for being here. Quick context, the 2023 publication is actually the fifth update. You would refer to yourself, i think, as the first author. Cochran is Peer Reviewed and this is an assessment of research by others, meaning in this case 78 randomized control trials, not original research. All true . I have to correct you, michael. It was the fourth update. The 2023 is the fifth update. Also, youre right, there are 78 trials, but those are not only about masks, and theyre not all on covid. In fact, theres only two on covid. Okay. Im trying to just set the stage so that i can ask you the key question, do masks work in your opinion in stopping the spread of covid . Well, we have got as i said, weve got three sars covid 2, three trials, and none of them show an effect. It is impossible to show that something doesnt work in this case. Its a chance approach. Is it more likely than not. At the moment, there is no evidence that that is the case, that they work. And which mask against which pathogen. Theres hundreds of pathogens. So thats the situation. Now, earlier on you quoted our assessment of some of the trials, and, yes, some of the trials are poor quality because theyre very, very difficult studies to carry on, to carry out, logistically theyre very difficult, and sometimes its very difficult to get people to comply with wearing a mask or washing hands or any of the other interventions were looking at. So im hoping to bring clarity to viewers, because its very hard to follow as lay people. It sounds to me, dr. Jefferson, as you are saying, we dont know. And, by the way, when i look at the authors conclusion, and ill put this on the screen, the authors conclusion from the most recent of these flat out says there is uncertainty about the effects of face masks. I dont want people to think that youre here saying they dont work. It sounds to me like youre here saying i cant tell you if they do or dont work, but please speak for yourself. Youre correct. I cant tell you whether they work or dont work. But its more likely than not that they dont work, okay, based on this is not just against sars covid, the covid pathogens. Were looking at interventions over 78 trials over 50 years. The whole review is over half a million participants in these trials. Now, the underlying problem that youve got there is that people are drunk with certainty. Theyre told that something works, end of the story. Thats not science. What science is about is its unlikely to work or we cant find any evidence of it. But when you say dr. Jefferson, when you opine that in your opinion its more likely than not that they dont work, that then puts you at odds, and herein lies the confusion with the editorinchief. The editorinchief of the Cochran Library says, quote, many commentators have claimed that a recently updated Cochran Review shows that masks dont work, which is an inaccurate and misleading interpretation. It would be accurate to say that the review examined whether interventions to promote mask wearing help to slow the spread of respiratory viruses and that the results were inconclusive. Do you disagree with her statement . The doctor appears to be apologizing for the misconceptions and the misquotes of third parties, which is extraordinary. If i had a pound or a dollar for every time ive been misquoted, i would be in the bahamas. I wouldnt be here speaking to you, sunning myself in my huge villa. Being misquoted and misunderstood, unfortunately, and being also in a Political Forum like this, which is not my natural habitat, this has become political. You see, the first four iterations the first three iterations of the review went completely unremarked, apart from the 2020. The 2020 and 2023 update, they started getting attention, simply because masks had become political. So this is a political menu, and i can only tell you what the science is, reliable Science Shows, with all its limits, what i just told you. I cant make up stuff. Okay, and i understand that. I guess i would just say this, it puts those members of the public i include myself in a very awkward spot. Because on one hand, someone is going to hear this conversation and say, i heard the first author of The Cochran Study say that in his opinion its more likely than not that they dont work, and then somebody else is going to say, yeah, but wait a minute, the editorinchief of that very same publication and library has a totally different interpretation. And then the left and right will seize upon which element suits their political interest. You get the final word but its got to be 30 seconds. Yeah, okay, its a political menu. Its a political football. Its got nothing to do with science. You just described it. The Cochran Hierarchy has done other things that p systematically undermined the 2023 work, all 12 of us, so thats my final word. Now, if your viewers are so interested in finding an answer, they should put pressure on those in power to conduct good, quality trials, good, quality studies to find an answer and to decrease the uncertainty that i just described. Dr. Jefferson, thank you. I appreciate your being here. Thanks, michael. Checking in on social media reaction, of which im told there is a ton. Just quickly, no, people are not going to mask up again in 2023, 2024. Well, ryan, theres the one certainty that i have about all of this, because theres enough fodder for the mill here for people to take away whatever they want to take away, theyre going to continue to go on believing whatever theyre inclined to do so, probably because of their media outlet or politician of choice, and thats a shame. Still to come, the convicted murderer who escaped a Pennsylvania County Jail has been on the run for ten days, 400 officers are after him. My next guest says he had his own runin in his kitchen. What happened when he realized the intruder was the convict. Please make sure to go to smerconish. Com and vote on this weeks toll question. Theres a Poll Question every day at smerconish. Com. Todays happens to be, will the lawsuit to bar trump from the colorado ballot under the 14th Amendment help or hurt him politically . Feeling sluggish or weighed down . Could be a sign youre not getting enough daily fiber. Metamucil capsules can help. Psyllium fiber gels to trap and remove the waste that weighs you down. Promoting digestive health, for a better you. Metamucil capsules an easy way to get more daily fiber. Meet the team. Behind the team. The coach. The manager. And the snack dad. All using chase to keep up with their finances. 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By friday, nearly 400 local state and federal officers were scouring an eight Square Mile Stretch of woods near Longwood Gardens where cavalcante was seen around noon on thursday. One of the eight or nine reported sightings deemed credible by authorities. Youre about to hear a tale about one such sighting last friday evening about a mile and a half from the county prison. Ryan drummond joins me now. Its last friday night, its close to midnight, youre in bed, wife is in bed, kids are in bed. What happened . Thanks for having me on. Yeah, so friday, even before we went to bed, we were all out on the deck enjoying our friday, and we were locking up the house because we knew there was a prisoner on the loose. We have this old french door that was off the side of our deck, and i really struggled to get it locked. My daughter was very concerned. I said, dont worry, hes probably nowhere near here, why would he ever come to this door . We end up going to sleep, i hear a noise at around 11 30, i walk out of the bedroom, and from my bedroom i can look down. I looked down toward The Living Room and the kitchen is off to the side, and i thought i heard a noise. I went back to my wife and said i dont want to freak you out, but i think there might be somebody downstairs, grab your phone. I went back out, i saw that the door was slightly ajar. Thats when my stomach dropped. I ran down the hallway to make sure my kids were accounted for. When i came back, i could start to hear a little bit of shuffling, so i grabbed any kind of weapon that i could, and ironically the only thing i had was a Picture Frame of my wife and kids, and when i grabbed it, i did like a frisbee motion, should i go over the head, and in that moment i realized how ridiculous it is. Here you have this guy who is a murderer surrounded by steak knives, because we did have steak that night, and i looked to my left and saw the light switch and decided to flick the light switch on and off three or four times. There was a little bit of a pause, and then he flicked the light switch back at me from the kitchen. So that was kind of the cute moment of terror. I turned to my wife and i said hes downstairs, call 911 right now. And at that point there was a little bit of a pause, and i wasnt sure if he was going to come up the steps, in which case i would have to go down and there would be a confrontation. In that moment, i saw him walk out of the kitchen, into The Living Room. Not running, just walking t methodically. He went out the french door, and by that time i was on the phone with the police and they arrived moments later. Ryan, real quick, because im limited on time, do you think that he was signaling to you, stay where you are and nobody gets hurt . Is that what you interpreted that flick of the switch to be . I do, i do. I mean, i flicked to let him know i know youre down stairs, and i feel like he was flicking back going, yeah, im here. A lot of local businesses, quick final thought, this has been devastating for local businesses that have had to close. Youve got one top of mind. What is it . We have a gas station, convenience store, theres not a lot around here. So he stayed open, supported the cops. Hes given them gatorades and let them use the airconditioning and hes lost at this. 9 days of what a hell of a story. Thank you for being here to tell it. We appreciate it. All right. Thank you. Still to come, more of your best and worst social media comments, and beal give you the result of this weeks Poll Question from smerconish. Com. Still time to vote. Will the law to bar trump from the colorado ballot under the 14th Amendment help or hurt him politically . 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