Moment to talk about what he refers to as context data. Here are some of the concerns that im eager to raise with him and allow him to respond, of course. The range will be between 1 and 100. We know the considerations will be given to 15 factors including the Students High School and Poverty Level of the neighborhood. Race will not be considered. Students will not get to see the score. While i think the intent to level the Playing Field is noble, i have questions as to the approach. Even before this news, ive explained that i think way too much consideration is given to this one exam. With regard to adversity. My view is that a College Application should convey a variety of Background Information about the upbringing of an applicant. But to elevate a numerical value of circumstance, alongside achievement in math and verbal scores is not the appropriate way that i think we should be doing it. I worry that it will have undue influence upon those more objective scores. If the common app wishes to include questions of circumstance, that would be fine. But for that role to be assumed by the administrator of the test itself, thats what strikes me as overreach. Second, i worry that any broad assessment of ones neighborhood makes assumptions about whats going on in particular homes that might not be accurate. Im fond of the island saying. If you dent know if the roof leaks until you live inside. What about families whose upscale appearances disguises the hardship indoors . And third, i worry at this punishes a student in an advantage neighborhood, maybe a white middle class student who still gains admission the oldfashioned way by working hard. Look, as a parent, i just went through the College Application process for the fourth and final time. Each with good result. This is far from sour grapes. Each of our children is more intelligent than i. But if i had it to do over again, i would have to consider early on, having them skip the s. A. T. And a. C. T. Altogether. Instead of the expensive test prep. The timeconsuming study. The angst that is produced by each saturday morning exam, id rather see that commitment directed towards something of lasting value like learning to be proficient in a Musical Instrument or painting or community service. Theres a reason why, according to fair test, the National Center for fair and opening tests that as of today, 1,025 accredited bachelorgranting colleges and universities dont require the a. C. T. Or s. A. T. Scores and they include Great Schools like bowden, university of chicago, wake forest, grand dice, american, wooster polytechnique and washington. On this, the status quo of College Admissions its not just acceptable. Asians think their number is capped. Other minorities think its a game of white privilege. And those who are white and privileged think minorities and athletes are reducing slots for their kids. I say better that we keep the focus on grades earned over years, instead of performance on a single saturday. I want to know what you think. Go to my websit website smerconish. Com. Answer this question, should the s. A. T. Include an adversity score . Joining me now is david coleman, the ceo of the College Board, the not for Profit Administration that begins and administers standardized tests like the s. A. T. Mr. Coleman, thank you so much for being here. Where am i wrong . Good morning. Whats being misreported so far is were not offering University Score alongside the s. A. T. Thats personal to a student. Were offering general Background Information which youve made some points about, but lets just say what were doing. The only individual thing is the s. A. T. Score it does not change. But what we offer alongside universities is General Information about school and neighborhood. But that would be the same for all students in that school. Or all students in that neighborhood. Its how theyre neighborhood and school stack up. An s. A. T. Score only shows so much. But when you put it together in context that has emerged you can identify more students who seem to score remarkably well in demanding circumstances. Ill give you one example, michael then well talk more broadly. Theres a young woman in mississippi a Partner School just admitted her her s. A. T. Scores are roughly average to other students but when they looked at her s. A. T. Score in context tore students in that high school, they saw she scored 40 points higher than any other student there. They saw she lives in a community rife with poverty. And they saw she was extraordinary, that she had accomplished with much less and resour resourceful. In order to allow Admissions Officers to more readily see students who defy the odds. To be very clear, i loved your statement about all of the things that General Information cannot see. And thats why an application ought to, as you say, have an interview, have an essay. I really want to be clear, were not displacing those things. That would be crazy. Is it the role, though, of the College Board to be involved in this issue . Dont the applications already afford opportunity for students to tell their story . See, my real problem is that in the end, and i recognize it might not be student specific, but its still a numerical value that will be looked at in the context of their verbal and math score. Whats cool is the application process you that care about remain s intact. There will be that general back ground. It will be all of the information the student provide that is not being changed about all of the individual information you care about. Lets talk about why you might do that, why it might be decent to do that. Right now, colleges get School Profiles from schools so they try to get a sense of where the students come from. But Admissions Officers only visit so many schools. And the sense of neighborhoods that kids grow up is very uneven as you might guess. All this is offering is general background of which to look at the students specific application. If we dont do this in candor, people from disadvantaged backgrounds are at a huge disadvantage because the school may or may not know anything about their school or neighborhood. Okay. How about my observation, ill rephrase, it paints with a broad brush per neighborhood. Lets call it out because i paid close attention to the rollout of this and the criticism. And you know, a criticism youll often hear is what about the white student from a working class family whose parent might be opioid addicted. Whose parent might be an alcoholic. The broad brush look at the neighborhood might not reveal whats going on behind that closeddoor. You know, michael, the one reason i feel moved to be here and talk about these arguments is thats exactly the kind of kid who will be seen. If you look at the broad change here from race to, lets say, a broader definition of students who face adversity. In rural america, where that kind of life is concentrated today, where the Opioid Crisis is most intense. The dashboard is going to bring to light far more rural students, many of whom are right, but who are in high schools they couple show as many ap scores. They dont have as much resource at home or in the neighborhood. And Admissions Officers not are not familiar with these places. And Admissions Officers admitting that, hey, give us general Background Information. So when we look at a students personal application, specific individuality, we can combine them both as you say must be done. I just want to be super clear. This is something fairly humble. Nothing to replace the individual testing of a student as to lifes circumstance. But we cant utterly rely on that to explain. Im still caught up on the question of, why is this the role of the college add board who administered the test . Heres my final yes. Yes. This is borne of concern that there will be soon be a ban on affirmative action and youre trying to get ahead of that curve . You get the final word. No youve made thoughtful arguments to be clear. And i think the reason why weve taken this on is we have the relationships of the Admissions Officers so they trust us to provide general reliable information rather than a scatter of information they receive today. And in candor, we felt that theres so many remarkable young people that the College Board could not look aside and just offer the s. A. T. Score without this general context. Because the s. A. T. Score alone might mislead you, it might blind you to the remarkable resourcefulness of a student who may not score as high but has shown remarkable power. If theres another group who can do this beautifully, im all for it. Its a free tool. We gain nothing from it. Just to be clear, were not selling this. It can be used for s. A. T. Or a. C. T. Were doing this to try to open up. David, when you get back to the office, do not open my file. I never have opened the file, great to see you. What are your thoughts . Tweet me smerconish. Go to my facebook page. I will read responses throughout the course of the program. Bill says, no adversity score. The s. A. T. S prove nothing about the intellect of an individual. Look, bill, i have a bias, i performed below the mendoza line as i revealed here on cnn in the past. Im just concerned about this new development. But historically, about all of the emphasis that we put on this one test, if it werent the s. A. T. Or a. C. T. It would probably be something else. Shouldnt be achievement over, you know, four or five years of work in class be paramount . Thats what i worry about the most. 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Together well make the right choice. So, i recently ate a meal in the iconic 90yearold atlanta hot dog joupint called the varsity. My god, look at that plate. I needed paddles after the meal. The varsity has several dining room. And when i took a seat, i discovered they set the tvs in each room to one specific channel. I had accidentally sat in the fox newsroom. And a sign requested please do not change the channels. Well, i was thinking about that room and the folks in it when i read about Elizabeth Warren taking a hard pass as they puts it on fox news town halls. It grabbed a lot of headlines. Heres the question, is it politically wise and will others follow her lead . Warren said this, i love town halls, ive done it more than 70 since january. And im glad to have a Television Audience to be part of them. Fox news has invited me to do a town hall. Im turning them down and heres why. Fox news is a hate for profit racket that gives a megaphone to racists and conspiracists and its designed to turn us against each other. Risking life and death claim to advertisers that it is a republic tutab abrepublic put o outlet. Then she went on to say, she didnt want to give sponsors cover to make them feel its okay to buy ads on fox or any of them the bump to her valuable audience. This is clearly a plied challenge to her rivals. Bernie sanders, amy klobuchar, theyve already done fox news town halls. In fact, sanders was seen by 2. 5 Million Viewers which is the most seen for a town hall. Pete buttigieg. And beto orourke open to the idea. Eric swalwell has offered to do a town hall but turned down. John delaney tweeted to warren, if youre not using your town hall, i will. Besides, tulsi gabbert, andrew wang, theyve all made appearances. The only candidate seeming to lean to warren position, kamala harris. Theyve reached out. Heres the question, it puts pressure on them as they contemplate if theyre going to participate with fox news. It also underscores this issue where going on fox news, the democrats do give cover to me advertisers who otherwise might not be inclined to spend any money there. So for those reasons and more there is something to be said for the strategy, the downside of warren freezing out fox is this, if she never goes on the network, the viewers will never hear what shes got to say. If shes successful to actually elected to be president shes going to need some of those diners eating hot dogs in the varsity fox newsroom who is turns out are actually open to several of her proposals. That was the upshot of a recent focus group done by swing voters in sioux city, iowa. These are people who voted for obama and then trump. Though they didnt care for the current crop of democrats. Generally warren with taxes to pay for infrastructure. If she didnt tout these ideas on fox, those voters may never hear them. Short term, yeah, i get the strategy. Longterm, perhaps not so much. Perhaps her thinking is ill worry about that in the general election if only i can win the nomination. Still to come, today, candidate joe biden gives his first big rally speech in philadelphia. The first debate just a month away. Now that he has to actually campaign, will he be able to hold on to frontrunner status . Plus, several states are enacting tough antiabortion laws trying to get them in the Supreme Court. Will they achieve their goal of upending roe v. Wade . And there are so many president s vying for the presidency. They could fill two football fields but why are so many when it doesnt seem they have a chance. Announcing youre running for president , its like announcing youre running a 5k, good. Dont post. Unless one has a dragon, i dont know how any of them come out of this alive. We make them to be meticulously engineered. 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Joining me now to discuss is david wasserman, the house editor of the Cook Political Report and republican strategist elizabeth mayer. He wrote this piece for the New York Times, who speaks for the Mountain West . Hey, hang, lets look at the data. Well start with all democrats according to fox, joe biden has a commanding lead, 18 points over his nearest competitor. That would be bernie sanders, Elizabeth Warren, mayor pete. Kamala harris. If you drill down on pennsylvania and look a biden trump matchup, hes got an eightpoint lead over the president. Liz, heres the question, historically speaking, is it likely someone can enter the race, being a frontrunner in a huge field and maintain that lead and winning the nomination . Historically, its not likely. But i think in 2016, we saw historical patterns completely become ruptured. The question is whether what we saw in 2016 has become the new normal. Or in this cycle we see candidates crest or fall. And keying to getting your candidate to crest and carry them through. Personally, i think we may be in a condition where joe biden would be able to run from the stretch front to end as they say in horse racing. David, there are three things you say. You say bernie and warren are in. Especially the south, dems perception, moderate mainstream nominees, best bet versus trump. Amplify that, please . Yes, i think joe bidens numbers will come down to earth as the other candidates get more wellknown. Right now its like going into a mall with a very Large Food Court where they have 25 choices. You have your cinnabon and your smoothie shop and panda express. But at the end of the day, democrats have to pick one and not everyone is going to leave happy. In fact, a lot are going to leave with some regrets. Right now, joe biden is benefitting from the primary election perception that hes the safest choice. Ive got to tell you, spending a lot of time on a campus in chicago this spring theres deep skepticism towards this presidency for young voters. And that could be a problem for democrats if hes the nominee, and theyre counting on young people, particularly of color, bringing three povoters to the polls with them. And cnn will have the month thereafter to host the debate but whats the likelihood that anyone can break out when there are nine other candidates on the stage with you at any one time . I mean, thats a real problem because, you may be looking at a position where your candidate gets, if theyre lucky, maybe like ten minutes of speaking time. Its really hard to make an impression in those ten minutes. At the end of the day, joe biden is known. Hes handled himself in debates before. Hes done it in a very strange fashion much as the way donald trump did in 2015. If you go back and look at his response against paul ryan. At the end of the day, joe biden is a likable guy. No matter what you think about on policywise, voters dont vote on poels. They pick an avatar and pick the policy. This is a guy like involved in water fights with the press pool kids. He gets excited about ice cream. He does do gaffes, and i think hes tough to displace in practice. And also younger College Voters oftentimes dont vote. I dont really know how they factor into all of this. David, the size of that debate stage, indicative of how many, i think its 23 now, lets call it two dozen. Whats going on . I mean, i dont want to single any one of them out. But theres a particular big city mayor that im thinking of, i look at, and i say what is the path for success that he could possibly see . Why are so many getting into it and continuing to get into it . Michael, no one likes their day job anymore. And this has really become the cnn primary. You get into the race. You get a free town hall. You get to raise your publicity for whatever future purpose youd like. Now, i happen to think, democrats, you know, most ideal candidate or trumps Worst Nightmare would be a young charismatic woman with not nudge of a d. C. Resume. There are a lot of democratic freshmen who fit that description. They arent the members of the house who are running fruitless campaigns for president. Look, joe biden does have enormous advantages in this primary in a sense liz is right, the primary voter is going to be older, more diverse than you get from social media. And its also going to be more moderate than a lot of people think the Democratic Party is today because you have so many suburban republicans who trump has converted to democrats who will be voting in the primaries. My concern for biden is in the general election, can he get casual voters, particularly younger ones, to the polls in the fall. Liz, take my final 60 seconds on this particular issue. I ask you because you played an Important Role for the rnc. All of this abortion talk, is this is not politically speaking a net loser for the gop in 2020 . I think probably it could be in one very specific case. Theres been a lot of focus on the fact that doug jones supposedly cant get himself reelected in alabama. I think where you look at in alabama where that can suburban women who are typically straight voters. And you also look at where roy moore is pulling ahead of the pack on the primary side to run against him in 2020, i think that could be very bad for republicans in alabama. Not just in alabama. Joes in my neck of the woods today. You know the importance being placed on pennsylvania. The suburban women around philadelphia. Theyre not thrilled to hear whats coming outside of missouri or alabama or louisiana. The list, im saying, it transcends those state lines. Yeah. I think well see what the coverage is. And well see how this continues to play out. Things can change very quickly. But i think the alabama law clearly does go too far in the minds of many. I think you have Pat Robertson saying its gone too far. Thats probably not a good indicator as to how that law in particular is going to be perceived. But i do think whats interesting about it is whats going to happen with regard to the senate and that particular senate race and i think republicans may have miscalculated on that and thats an important seat. Appreciate you being here. Check in on your tweets and facebook comments. Dan says, why do so many dems keep joining the field so late . You know, dan, i dont know, book deal . Tv show eventually . Raise the profile. Whats the downside. Are you going to be embarrassed more so than another of the dozen all right in. I hope youre answering the survey question at smerconish. Com this hour. Should the s. A. T. Test include an adversity score . Results in about 25 minutes time. Still to come, about the abortion issue, several states have ratcheted up the decision. 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Are there four votes in the Supreme Court, because thats what it takes for them to hear the alabama case, assuming it winds its way in that direction . Not necessarily. We know that chief Justice Roberts voted with the liberals to block the louisiana law that imposed admitting requirements for doctors, suggesting he may be inclined to uphold that law, given the fact that the Supreme Court, or, rather, to strike it down given the fact that the Supreme Court did that in 2016. The bottom line, chief Justice Roberts appears not to want to overturn roe v. Wade right now. And the four skeptical theyre not going to get his vote. They dont want to hear the more extreme cases. They might do what theyre going to hear next week, with doctors permitting laws or in indiana fetal disposal laws. Or laws requiring ultra sounds after, and waiting periods and things like that. This Supreme Court with this composition will not want to confront the core of roe with states like alabama or missouri which Pat Robertson are not the absolutely right way to challenge roe. Like waiting periods and fetal remain laws. At least until theres another conservative justice on this court, this court is not ready to overturn roe v. Wade right now. In other words, roe v. Wade is more threatened by accessibility issues like the louisiana law, than the alabama law which probably alabama runs so afoul of roe versus wade, that i believe will be ruleden constitutional through the appellate process. And the court will deny the opportunity to get involved. Meanwhile, the other issues that youre raising they may effectively strike roe versus wade through other means . Youre absolutely right, michael. And these restrictions on access will have the greatest access on poor women. Right now, abortions are not meaningful available in states passing these laws. Louisiana and so forth. Clinics will close and it will be harder for poor women to get abortion. Women of means can already go to other states in those areas. But the slow chipping away at roe will have serious implications for reproductive rights and access. But the core right in roe, mainly to choose abortion before fetal viability. 13 years ago for the mraeptsmraepts plante iplantic you wrote, the results might not be what you expect. The day after roe fell, of course, abortion would not neither legal nor illegal. Throughout the united states. Instead, the stays and congress would be free to ban, protect and regulat regulate abortion. A decade or so later is that your view . It is still my view. You were right when you said when the dust settled and that would be many years of powerful battles, state by state, in the congress and in the courts, ultimately, the loser would be the gop. Because all of those suburban women who are willing to be republican, as long as the corerighted roe is protected might jump ship and flee to the other side. The other, whats changed since 2006 abortion politics have become so much more polarized even though theres not very much support in the most conservative states for total bans on abortion, such as alabama, 30 support in those states, legislatures are even more polarized because the national gop is polarized as well. You could see state legislatures and ultimately gop people in congress embracing really draconian abortion bans that the majority of republicans dont support either. So thats whats changed since 2006 and thats why overturning roe would be good news for the democrats. Jeffrey rosen, thank you. Lets check in. Dan lipson, what about the conservative justices 45 has nominated . Didnt that become the Antiabortion Movement . Well, i think it did, but jeffrey making a really good point in the atlantic which is that conservatives perhaps should not be taking john roberts vote for granted on this matter. Kathryn, do we have Rush Limbaugh going after Brett Kavanaugh . Play that, this also makes a point. People getting nervous about Brett Kavanaugh. Brett kavanaugh has been siding with the leftists on the Supreme Court. Hes been siding with the liberal majority. So, the point is, you cant take for granted the votes that we think are lined and are going to be part of a 54 decision one way or the other. Theres some doubt about roberts, keep the Obamacare Affordable Care act in mind. I say its a net loser for republicans as we head into 2020 to be supportive of a law going nowhere. Still to come, its wildly held that undocument ed leads t crime. Is that true . During our memorial day sale. It senses your movement, and automatically adjusts to keep you both comfortable. It even helps with this. 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Joining me now is anna flag the senior data reporter for the marshal profit. She wrote this piece for the New York Times asking that are question. Anna, a year ago it was marshal and the upshot looked at any causal link between immigration and crime. And critics said, well, you didnt isolate unauthorized or illegal immigrants. Now you have. What did you find . Right. So theres been relatively Less Research done on undocumented immigrants in particular because this is a group thats a little more difficult to collect data. On so when a couple weeks ago, the Pew Research Center released population across the u. S. Starting in 2007, is that was an opportunity to really get into this question of, okay, in areas where undocumented immigration populations increased, did they experience increase in crimes . And in cases where undocumented immigrants less, did they experience reduction in crime. So, thats what they looked at and what we found, no, there appears to be more relation between undocumented immigration and crime. The crime went down on similar rates regardless whether the undocumented population rose or fell. Areas with unauthorized migration appeared to have larger drops in crime, although the difference was small and uncertaintu uncerta uncertain. Did you look at all volumes of crime . Yes, we did, robbery, burglary, and larceny. We found a similar result for everything. There was no relationship to undocumented population. Are you an outlier. I mean the folks at marshall, this is a oneoff or does it comport with other data . No, there are studies by the cato institute. And an article in criminology. And all of the research that we have demonstrates that undocumented immigrants are similar to immigrants overall and that they do not increase rhyme rates. If anything, theyre associated with reduction in crime. By the way, i get an email from you folks every day that i Pay Attention to. You dont have an ax to grind in the immigration battle, right . Its a law enforcementkind of website that looks like data, am i wrong in that . The Marshall Project is a nonprofit news conversation covering criminal justice and organization in the united states. We didnt go into this with an opinion either way, we just wanted to look at the data and kind of use evidence on this ongoing discussion of whether or not undocument the immigrants are connected to crime. Final question, why if the data says theres not a higher incidence of those coming here committing crime does this myth persist that its otherwise . Well, in trump speeches, we often hear him discuss criminal immigrants, particularly undocumented immigrants. And we also see the admissiadmi also targeting a lot targeting immigrants. 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