But first, im just back from cleveland, and im pondering, what did i witness . For more than a year on both sirius xm radio and here at cnn, ive been very critical of Donald Trumps bid for the white house. And my takedowns of his candidacy have not gone unnoticed by the candidate himself. But now im playing devils advocate and asking myself, is he what ive been waiting for . I abhor talking points thinking. I believe that rigidia logical point contradicts the idea of solving problems. I dont believe that compromise is the new c word and ive been waiting for a candidate who isnt tethered to either end of the spectrum. Donald trump checked many of my boxes in front of 5,000 delegates. He thanked evangelicals, while saying he wasnt sure he deserved their endorsement. He was selfdepth indicating about knowing the system. He accepted the republican nomination without once referring to Ronald Reagan or saying the word abortion. He thanked the audience for applauding after he defended lgbtq rights. He broke with trade agreements, supported Law Enforcement and said that it was time for our alleged allies to carry their own weight. Theres a lot for me to like in those ideas. Of course, i worry that none of it is backed up by deep thinking or dellinated policy. Still, i admire he barn stormed the q center. While ted cruz was speaking and he slayed the dragon of orthodoxy. If only it was that simple. Unfortunately, he got this far by invoking vitriol and playing to sordid instincts, mexican rapists, blood coming out of her wherever and mocking the disabled have been a few rallying cries. Which raises the trump conundrum. No matter how great the appeal of his nonideological thinking, it comes with so much baggage, making it difficult to accept that when he says i am your voice, that he is speaking for me. Joining me now, carl bernstein, half of the most famous reporting team in american history, woodward and bernstein. They broke, of course, the watergate story, and jeff greenfield, the veteran reporter, multitime emmy award winner, who has covered so many of these conventions. Jeff greenfield, any response to what i had to say . I think you missed the essential. Tell me. Its the character and temperament issue. Not what he says about policies, which can change by the minute. For me, the line that most underlines trump is, i alone can fix this. That is caesarism. What you like, no reference to reagan what i found, no reference to anybody. In that speech, no one else existed. Not the founding fathers, not lincoln, not reagan. No one. And for anybody to look at this process that we have and say i alone can fix it, its not just a narcissism or ego mania. It is so fundamental a break with how the United States is supposed to work that i find that the most important and consequential line, and it renders much of what you said, not inaccurate, but irrelevant. I came of age, you know, admiring and still do, Ronald Reagan. What i admired about trump, if thats the right word, he didnt feel the obligation to say Ronald Reagan was my hero, carl. Doesnt matter. Above all else, hes a capital d demagog. Hes a demagog in a way we have never had a candidate who has received the nomination as one of the major parties for president of the United States. What we saw at this convention was a very successful convention and speech by donald trump, based totally on nonexisting mythology. Meaning that his portrait of america is not what he gave in that speech, were not under siege from terrorists every day in our cities. We dont have hundreds of murders going on every day. It doesnt exist. Its an attempt to scare people, to say im the demagog, i, the maximum leader who can undo all of this, which, of course, he has no ability to do, unless hes going to be, as he seems to be a caesar, a juan perone, on top of which he presented himself and his family as the master builder. When, in fact, what we know from his real existing nonmythological Business Career is fraud. Lawsuits. Businesses that cheat people. Trump university. So now we, especially in the press, at a very late time, need to start looking at the real donald trump, the mythology of the country that he has presented, just as we need to look at the real Hillary Clinton and her real life. But i saw inside that hall, jeff, the negatives, they dont matter, at least in the q center. Hes a guy who is no bs, and he can get it done. Thats what he was selling. No. And i think that has to be has to be emphasized. In two ways. One, as its true of any leader like this, you dont succeed without real grievances below, at the core. There are real grievances, about the system, about whats happened to large chunks of particularly white working class. The second thing, just as a political matter, donald trump has crossed an enormously significant bar. That is, he is now seen as a plausible alternative. Being the nominee of the water means hes one of the two people who will be president. And unlike a mcgovern or goldwater, he came out of that convention, to my surprise, to some extent, having made the institutional knowing of the Republican Party by and large, saying, all right, hes our nominee. And just by doing that, he has taken a huge step forward. Carl, where are we . Where are we post rnc, were in philly. The dnc is about to get under way in the big picture sense. Where does this thing stand . We have the two most unpopular and disdained candidates of the two major parties running against each other. Never had a situation like this in our history. And there is a reason for the disapproval, the distrust, the disdain factor. Hillary clinton has been baked, partly by comey, the director of the fbi, in this perception of her as dishonest extreme carelessness. Untruthful, and, in fact, the server situation is indefensible. And she carries that baggage into this election and has to overcome it somehow. How does she do that . By showing who the real donald trump is. Thats what the democrats have to do. Does tim kaine help her, make her warm and fuzzy . Some say boring, some say vanilla, but nice guy, competent guy, executive is also what you hear. Two things. I have a piece out in politico now about defending boring. Think of the last unboring Vice President ial picks. Geraldine ferraro, sarah palin, dan quayle. Unless something happens, hes at best, as all Vice President ial guys, a marginal pick. It is her signal to the country that, look, i am the stable, safe, cautious one. This other guy is a fivealarm fire. Your name is synonymous with investigative journalism. You said Something Interesting to me in cleveland, and i hope youll repeat it now. Have these candidates been vetted . Im going to go farther. I think that these two candidates represent the most egregious failure by the press in the history of modern how can that be . Let me finish the thought. Theyre the two greatest celebrities in our culture today. Worldwide. And yet no major network, no cable network, no major of the three old networks, has done a single investigative biography of either of the candidates up to this point. Not even a documentary about their real existing lives. Only recently have the new york times, the Washington Post and wall street journal started to do really great reporting which theyre doing finally on trump, especially. And a little bit on Hillary Clinton. These two candidates, the most famous people in the world, are unvetted by the press. Look, i have written whats the standard biography on Hillary Clinton, the life of Hillary Rodham clinton. And yet even with biographies of these people, the go deep, the press has been focused on the 24 7 debate on the on the you know, talking heads, which all of us are. Great analysis. What about their real existing lives and records . You agree with this . November 1979, roger mud, does a onehour cbs report special on ted kennedy. By the end of that one hour, ted kennedys prospects are substantially diminished, partly by his own inadequacies and partly by what roger mud reported. I think carl is exactly right. I think i think there have been plenty of really good stories about both of them. But the idea of the Major Broadcast Network simply not doing it, maybe they think the ratings will tank, maybe Kim Kardashian has a new selfie out, i dont know what it is, but its been a failure. Lets look at the specifics. Why havent we had had hourlong specials on trumps businesses . On Hillary Clintons foundations . These two candidates are unvetted by the press. It is astonishing, it is a grievous, egregious failure. I feel compelled and not just to carry water for cnn, but because i believe it all of the networks. I think of those debates, and the questioning from my colleagues, i thought was extraordinarily welldone. You have done a great job on debates and analysis. But thats different than reporting. Sending out reporters to look at the real record. Going into these books. Look, the best reporting on Hillary Clinton to some extent in the foundation has been done by political enemies. That doesnt make it irrelevant. I agree. Broken clock is right final word. And the most serious question about this is, if it were done, would large chunks of the american electorate say we dont believe you, youre his enemies, i dont care what you tell me, 2 plus 2 is 5. But thats fine. We will have done our job. We havent even done our job. Great analysis. When cn nsaid i could be the first to host from philly to welcome the dnc, i said bernstein and greenfield, please. Thank you, guys. I really appreciate you being here. Nice to be here. Thank you for saying that. Coming up, Hillary Clinton picks a vp. Does tim kaine bring added value, or might his selection undervalue Bernie Sanders supporters . Heres one that came in early. Smerconish, where is the wikileaks coverage regarding the dnc, et cetera, et cetera . Jarsso, im going there next. Stick around. All her aches and pains. And i said come to class, lets start walking together and i said and i bet you money youll be able to do that senior walk. That day i said ok its me and you girl, me and you i said if you need to stop, theres a bench well just hang out in the shade. She said absolutely not we are going to finish this race and we were the last ones in, but you know what . We finished the race. And she goes desiree, ill never quit walking. 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Its the site of this weeks dnc. And now that hillarys vp choice has been made, what does she have to do to overcome the inevitable Convention Bump of the trump pence ticket, as well as her steadily rising negative poll numbers and what of this wikileaks document drop pertaining to the dnc . Joining me now, columnist sally cohen, supported Bernie Sanders in the primaries, now on team hillary and working for the dnc as a speaking coach and one of the speakers at this weeks convention, former South Carolina state representative, Bakari Sellers he. Sally, i know youre conversant on the story, the Dnc Wikileaks drop which suggests folks on the payroll of the dnc were angling for hillary and not for berry, wanted him to be questioned about his religion, among other things. What do you make of it . That particular piece as a jewishamerican to we as a jew, thats messed up. I could use stronger language, but i wont. But we always know theres lots of, you know, ugliness in Opposition Research of other candidates. The more disturbing part here is, it feeds into, look, i as a sanders supporter, i would like to see the Democratic Party process reforms. But it did work. He did lose fair and square. The problem with these leaks, it feeds into this perception that he didnt lose fair and square. That the system was rigged, the party was rigged against him. And that is how its felt and now to see these leaks, its a bad timing. And then bakari, on top of it, i know youve been with secretary clinton. But on top of it, the sanders folks are smarting a bit this morning, with the selection of tim kaine, they wanted someone more progressive than he. Well, there are a few things. I think questioning anybody about their religion is outside the bounds of the political discourse. I have never done that in my political career. I dont think that should be something that you delve into. But it doesnt replace the fact that the secretary won based on the number of ballots cast fair and square. And it doesnt replace the fact that we have made so much progress in terms of having the most progressive platform that this party has ever seen. It doesnt replace any of those things. And unless you live inside of a bubble, tim kaine is a liberal. Tim kaine has a very strong record, especially 100 voting record when it comes to planned parenthood. He challenged the nra in his own state. He stood up to them. His record as a mayor of richmond as a United States senator i think is strong. There are going to be questions. Why didnt you choose Elizabeth Warren or perez or cory booker. But i think that tim kaine is going to be an exciting choice. And i think that wednesday night people are going to look forward to seeing him kind of blossom. Its a big stage for him. The most important are you okay with this . I saw you wins a bit. I wins wipsed, yes. First of all, yes, tim kaine is 100 pro Choice Voting record in the senate, but he has also in other held other offices he supported a ban on lateterm abortions, parental notification laws, et cetera. License plates. Maybe thats not a biggy. That i care less about than actual restrictions on access to abortion. And, you know, he supported the recently said he still supports the Transpacific Partnership trade deal. So he has a lot of he has a lot of things that make progressives very worried. The larger issue here is you dont want to make a symbolic pick, although i think thats important. I think Hillary Clinton missed an opportunity here. While she has this im a steady hand case to make to the american people, she also has to be aware of the populist economic yearnings in this country, not only in the Democratic Base but frankly, donald trump for his zone phobia and hate mongering hes tapped into something. It doesnt help her, he hurts her, thats my concern. But the team. When you have the messengers we have, theres a message that Elizabeth Warren can go out and make, a compelling message. Is there a message that Bernie Sanders can go out and make. There is a mitchell and barack obama can make. Tim kaine, not only does he speak to varies aspects, i think hes a strong advocate to the africanamerican community. A strong advocate based on Immigration Reform and the only person to deliver a speech on Immigration Reform, in fluent spanish. So i think that this is going to be important, and i think that he meshes with the team very well. Youre speaking. What are you going to say . Im still working through those things. Maybe sally will coach you. So my nerves calm down. But i speak early in the thursday program. Its exciting, because the person who comes on stage later on in the evening will be Hillary Clinton accepting the nomination. So my goal right now is to make my mom and dad proud. I want to show boat both of you. Peter teal spoke at the rnc, said some interesting things. Roll that tape, please. When i was a kid, the great debate was about how to defeat the soviet union. And we won. Now we are told now we are told that the great debate is about who gets to use which bathroom. This is a disfraction from our real problems. Who cares . You care . Who cares . I mean, i applauded at the rnc. Yeah, because he slayed every gay sacred cow on the stage. I guess i agree with peter teal. We have other more important things we could be focusing on, i suppose. Republicans, focus on that. Dont have a Party Platform that wants to roll back gay rights and civil rights and choice. I would, for instance, also love it if we would stop focusing on abortion rights in this country. But the Republican Congress first five bills they introduce when they took when they took congress, were anti choice bills. So i am more than happy to stop the culture where they get bakari, donald trump does the lgbtq community. I saw that trump put in the q. Not have a friend in donald trump. Seriously. No. I mean, listen. The first speaker that was chosen that day was jerry falwe falwell. And donald trump in his speech gave a speech and he said were going to protect the lgbt kpuntd from terror. And so i cannot give donald trump credit for saying that now we should stand up against the slaughter of the homosexual community. When donald trump stands and stands against his platform on conversion therapy, when he stands against his platform on the ban of samesex marriage. You dont think he believes any of that. Come on. Why did he he can say it. But let me also say this about peter till. Were not giving him enough credit. Pete till, he and ted cruz showed the most fortitude of any two speakers last week. I thought ted cruz, whether or not you appreciated what he said or not, was very courageous. And peter till went up and was very courageous. I will admit that reading the speech beforehand, i thought he was going to get booed at that point and he didnt. So its a very low bar. So credit where credit is due. But they you have to put some context to it. Guys, welcome to philly. Good luck with your speech. Thats really cool. Thanks a lot. Hes going to blow it out of the water. Your son is helping me write it. You could do a heck of a lot worse. Next, what is the resignation of fox news chief roger ailes mean for both the network and for the campaign of donald trump for whom aisles ails has already been consulting . Lets see what he says. Steve redmond. Tim kaine seems like a decent guy. That alone makes unique this year. People say that mike pence is a decent guy too. There you go. Come on. Sorry. Washing the dog washing the cat well im learning snapchamp chat. Chat changing the oil. vo its surprising what people would rather do than deal with retirement. Pressurewashing the. Roses. 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By the way, ive taken showers in fountains like that in my old age when i was drinking. But the answer to it is, look, roger ailes advises every republican president ial candidate. So this is not a big surprise to me. If he went on and became campaign manager, that would be a big surprise. But im not at all surprised hes going to try to help trump. Look, youve got to understand. This is a guy who really, really doesnt like Hillary Clinton. Did you ever in your association with fox, did you ever youre look, youre not a politically correct guy. No. Did you ever see any evidence, any sign, any symptom of anything going on . No. I not only didnt, but ive had roger on occasion say to me, bob, youve got to be a little bit more politically correct. Now, im a liberal, so i get away with it. But i never once saw this. And you know the thing that surprised me was that in both gretchens case and also of megan, im surprised it took them this long to come out. Ive talked to gretchen several times during the course of her career there. She never once mentioned anything about it. And she would have to me, i think. So im a little surprised. Dont you go ahead. Dont you think in the end, whatever it is that megyn kelly said behind closed doors is what called this shot . I mean, she right now is the marquis talent, and dont you think that thats how it would have ended, based on what she said . Beginning and end. Look, this thing was a close call, because it was a question of who said what. He said she said. But when megyn kelly said it, youre right. Shes got a lot of weight there. Shes a former lawyer. And i think that was the beginning of the end of roger. So what is the future of fox news as a conservative oracle . All i know is what i read, but i read of this split between murdoch and the kids. What do you see happening . Well, i dont think that theyre going to try to change it dramatically, even though the kids may want to. Look, i havent worked there as a liberal, its an unusual situation. But that company the Fox News Channel sent a billion dollars to the bottom line of murdochs company. Theyre not going to want to mess with that. When the old man himself says murdoch, that hes going to run the place being ceo, hes not. My guess is bill shine, who is number two to roger ailes, will do that. But i think its very dangerous to bring somebody in, for example, to run that network, because so much of it was built in roger ailes you know, his personality. And the idea of disrupting it, and particularly now in the middle of this campaign, would be a terrible mistake. Do you see any prospect that some of the talent over there, some of those who came out in support of roger ailes, they get together and they all go to a Different Network . Well, the question is, which network would they go to . Theres rumors around that roger will take his 20, 30, 40 million severance pay and start his own. I doubt that. Hes too old for that. Yeah, englii think hes got noncompete. And sean hannity said to me several times that if roger was out, he wouldnt get sean is a marquis talent. Is that the case . And bill shine takes over, i think sean would stay. If it was somebody brought in from england, i dont think he would. So there may be a drain there. But more importantly, the idea of a data Network Without roger ailes is just unthinkable to me. Bob beckel, that fella says there is room in the shower. If you need it when you get to town. Ask him to give had he the lefthand side of that, because its better flow, okay . I happen to know this. Ill see you up there. All right. Look forward to having you. Thank you. Still to come, trump defined this as an election about law and order. Well, former Philadelphia Police chief, Charles Ramsey, who has said the nation is, quote, a powder keg over cop shootings and assassinations, he is speaking at the dnc this week. But first, he will speak here. 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Wealth management, at charles schwab. Welcome back to philadelphia, site of this weeks Democratic National convention. Last week at the rnc gop nominee, donald trump hit hard on the shootings of Police Officers. My next guest will deliver a speech this week at the dnc on the topic of gun violence. Former Philadelphia Police chief, Charles Ramsey, who was also the Police Commissioner of washington, d. C. , and is the co chair of president obamas task force on 21st century policing. Great to have you ear. Good to be here. Are you as excited as i am the nation is now here in philly and all eyes on our town . I am. Ive been excited ever since it was announced philly would host the Democratic National convention. Cleveland went well from a Law Enforcement standpoint. Ive watched it up close. I hope philly goes well. What concerns do you have . Well, i mean, you always have some concerns. But to be honest with you i admit im biased, nobody handles large scale events than the city of philadelphia. I am concerned about the rnc because of the protests we have had before. But i really do think those assassinations of officers in dallas and baton rouge brought the temperature down a bit. There is a criticism of the dnc and secretary clinton in particular for welcoming into the debate lineup, in addition to Charles Ramsey, some of the family members of victims of police shootings. What are your thoughts on that . Their voices need to be heard, as well. I think there are two sides to everything. And i think that its nothing wrong with having those voices heard. But we also need to think about the families of our Police Officers that have been injured and killed in the line of duty, as well. There needs to be balance. I dont know your party affiliation. And you need not tell me. But how big of a decision was it for Charles Ramsey to accept the invitation . I dont think of you as a political guy. I think of you as the consummate Law Enforcement professional. But you are going to be on that stage, and making an address. Talk to me about that calculus. Well, i mean, im not a real political guy. And had it not been for dallas and baton rouge, i probably would have turned down the invitation to speak at the dnc, only because i dont really consider myself to be that political. But i think our environment is such where my voice can maybe add something to the discussion. And thats why i chose to participate. What will you be saying . Its about gun violence, thats the topic and ill talk about the impact it has on the community and also the men and women of Law Enforcement that have to deal with the constant and relentless violence that takes place in many of our neighborhoods. Will you be making an endorsement, will you be speaking favorably of Hillary Clinton in particular . Well, ill be honest with you. I do support secretary clinton. Its no surprise. I guess im speaking at the dnc. And im not afraid to make that announcement. But i also think that in this time, we have to be very careful about our choices. I personally feel shes bestsuited at this point in history. Donald trump stood there last week in cleveland and said, i am the law and order candidate. Well, i dont know what that means. Law and order means Different Things to different people. If it means more police, aggressive policing in some of our neighborhoods, that could add to the problem that we already have. We need to sit down and we need to discuss the best way forward. And whether its mr. Trump or whether its secretary clinton, someone is going to have to address the issue of crime and violence in our communities in the best ways to be able to deal with it. As a civilian, my head kind of spins on the crime stats. It reminds me, liars figure, figures lie. Its fungible. You can read into the data and im thinking of Donald Trumps speech where he said it, and many said, and heres the justification and then came the factcheckers who said, well, thats not entirely correct. Speak to me on that general subject. Well, you know, crime over the last 20 years has been declining. In the last decade, we have seen some of the lowest crime rates since the 1950s and 1960s, so you have a slight uptick percentagewise, yeah, its going to jump out at you, because youre comparing yourself to incredibly low years. When you look at trends over time, crime is really moving in the right direction. How about killing of Police Officers . It fluctuates from yeartoyear. Five in dallas and three in baton rouge. Its going to skew your numbers a bit. One is too many. But i dont know if by the end of the year they will be that dramatic an increase. Chief, good luck in your speech this week. Thank you. Im glad to see you continue to get the national prominence. You deserve it. Thank you. Chief Charles Ramsey. Next, there hasnt been a president since 1960 who hasnt won at least two of the battleground states. Ill speak to the democratic chairs and democratic pennsylvania senator, bob casey, who happens to hail from scranton, pennsylvania. Hes got that in common with Hillary Clinton. Another tweet, i see. Chris says, dont agree with smerconish on everything. But hes from philly. And anyone from philly is a winner, in my book. Brotherlylove. Thats awfully nice. Dont you dare follow your dreams. Think big. Or demand your own space. Dont you dare leave it all behind. Dont you dare ask whats next. Introducing the firstever cadillac xt5. City of philadelphia looking beautiful on a hot day, as we are psyched to welcome the democrats to town. Democratic national convention, of course, pennsylvania is one of the swing states that hangs in the balance in this election. Recent polls show that its 20 electoral votes leaning democratic now could go either way. Joining me, senator bob casey, who not only represents the state and is a speaker at this weeks festivities, he also hails from the same hometown as Hillary Clinton has roots. Senator, good to see you. Thank you, michael. So her choice, a white senator from a swing state, catholic, a reputation for not being flashy, but wellliked and a nice guy. Is it bob casey . No, tim kaine. You have a lot in common with him. I had the opportunity in the senate not just to get to know him, but also to sit with him at our tuesday lunch every tuesday. Look, this say choice that hillary made and i had a sense she would make this kind of choice, meaning a governing choice, not necessarily a campaign choice. I think hes both competent and compassionate. But i also think hes the kind of tough leader were going to need in tough times. He has Something Else in common with bob casey, and that is in a very public way, in 2008 you were for barack obama. He was for barack obama, and yet everybody seems to be coming back to the fold in that regard. Well, hillarys candidacy has done that. She has been a unifying source, she likes to build bridges instead of walls and i think tim kaine reflects that. My parents are both cold crackers from hazelton. I know the northeastern part of the state, as you do. White guys, working class, a lot of appeal for donald trump. He won 67 counties in the republican primary. Never been done before. Does he have you on the run in your backyard . I think its going to be a close race. In northeastern pennsylvania. But i also think thats true statewide. Michael, you know the numbers. Pennsylvania has been blue for six straight president ials, but always close, always contested. I think hillary is probably ahead right now. But were going to fight very hard until the last minute. Because this is a state we have to win. I think she will win it. Especially because of her economic message focused on lifting wages and focused on the middle class. Give me the 60second version of what bob casey will say from the podium at the dnc this week. Going to talk about hillarys economic plan, and in a very specific way how it applies to pennsylvania. Focusing on manufacturing jobs, moving our state forward with a partner. I think shes going to be the kind of president who will work with us to either strengthen or rebuild parts of our economy, especially when it comes to the jobs of the future in manufacturing. Donald trump says your constituents are suffering because she buys into all the trade deals that he sees through. Look, i think hillary is going to be one of the toughest president s when it comes to judging trade deals. Shes already said, any trade deal is going to have to meet a threepart test. Its got to create jobs, its got to increase wages and enhance our security. That tough test, in addition to her opposition to tpp will be very important. The general election, you know its all about ohio, florida and pennsylvania. As a matter of fact, youve got to win two of the three sips 1960. Or you or you dont get elected to the white house. Joining me now, david pepper, marcel groen. Marcel, what happens in the p. A. , the philadelphia suburbs . You tell me what happens in the philadelphia suburbs, ill tell you who wins this race. Were going to win. Of course youre going to tell me that. No, if you look at the past 20 years, every year weve been doing better. The moderate republicans are voting democratic, frequently become democratic. We need to win the philadelphia suburbs by 6 to 700,000 votes, and we will. Donald trump knocked out even john kasich in your and my backyard. I never would have predicted that. He won all 67 counties. Sure. That was a republican primary where you have half the vote than you have in the general vote. And in our the same thing with our primary, half the vote that were going to have in the general. Youre going to find out theres going to be a huge turnover. I have never seen so many republicans in my entire life coming to me, person after person, saying, were vote for hillary. And its constant and its continuing. And were going to win those suburbs by the numbers i told you. David, let me ask you about ohio. I was in ohio doing my radio show from the rock and rosxh r of fame in cleveland. John kasich had an event at the rock hall but never crossed down to go to the rnc. Are you trying to use that as a cudgel on hillarys behalf in the state of ohio . Let me just say, donald trump actually lost ohio very badly just a few months ago. John kasich did very well. And the fact that donald trump declared war on kasich all four days of that convention doesnt help donald trump at all. And obviously kasich is still on the sidelines there. So that is a big deal, given that trump already struggled in ohio to have the guy who won the primary and now the governor of the state, not be comfortable with him. Its a big deal and will play out over the next several months. Right. Donald trump lost the state, but you had a hometown favorite who was running against him. As i was making the point to senator casey, that working class white constituency, those reagan democrats, your state has them, marcels state has them as well. Thats a natural trump constituency. How will you crack into that . Well just talk about how donald trump spoken for years. This is a guy who said wages were too high, when he made his shirts and ties he made them in china and bangladesh, not in ohio like he could have. Hes talking a big game but when you peel it back a little bit, doesnt has nothing in common with those workers. Well work with our working folks, people like Sherrod Brown and Ted Strickland can make that point, that Donald TrumpsBusiness Practices took advantage of low wages in other countries. He himself has said again and again and very publicly, he thinks wages are too high. Hell certainly go to those places and look for votes. But when were done, a lot of those workers will see that donald trump has nothing in common with their values or their needs. Marcel, whats it like to be the state party chair of a state that is hosting a convention . Ive got to believe that youre the king this week, and that because of the importance and the responsibility on your shoulder that hillary reaches out and that Party Leaders at all levels want your time . Its very scary. Its also a once in a lifetime opportunity. As you might know, i was a little boy who didnt speak english until he was 10 years old. For me to be here in this position is remarkable. My mother is 94, she was a holocaust survivor. Shell be watching it on television. Its one of them. Would you have to work hard, take one step at a time. We have to make sure that things run smoothly. And ill look back at the end of the week and make sure it worked right. David, we all talk about ohio, we all talk about florida, about pennsylvania. What are you doing differently in this cycle that you havent done previously . I would say that we got our act together much earlier than normal. Ohio will be close, like pennsylvania. But as barack obama showed, the campaign that is most organized on the ground in ohio wins. 08 and 12, that worked. This year we put a field team in place in october before we even knew who would win the president ial primary. Weve had a field team since october, building up through the primary, now merged into the coordinated. We have a large staff here, larger than Donald Trumps entire national staff, we have here in ohio. In the end, thats what wins elections in ohio, having enough people to knock on doors, to make the phone calls, to get the vote out. While we are building this, donald trump doesnt seem to understand or care about Field Operations at all. I think he has one state director, no field team whatsoever. I have to say weve got organized early. I have to say, he doesnt have a field operation, he hasnt spent money, she is so far outspending him in the battleground states, yet hes within the margin of error. Its going to be interesting. David, good luck with the convention, weve got company in town. Nice to see you both and to have senator casey. In a moment, more of your tweets like this one. Smerconish, pats or ginos . How about tony lukes . Weve got so many great places in town yet they get all the attention. Foand millions moremericans lwho feel its effects. S, lets walk together to make an even bigger impact and end alzheimers for good. Find your walk near you at alz. Org walk. 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