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Is she launching a big offensive against sanders just to make sure . And unconventional weapon. Kim jongun says he has a miniaturized Nuclear Warhead and south korea believes him. They say they can mount a nuke on a missile to reach american bases and tonight the u. S. Is taking that threat seriously. Im wolf blitzer. Youre in the situation room. Ted cruz calls it a turning point, a decisive win in wisconsin boosts the odds of a brokered Republican Convention in cleveland in july and his own odds of emerging potentially as the nominee. Now the campaign moves to Donald Trumps home turf, new york. Trump is heavily favored there and loads in other upcoming primary states like pennsylvania, but hell need almost 60 of all the remaining delegates to win a first ballot convention victory. Cruz, john kasich and others within the gop, theyre counting on a head count fight at a contested convention. Meantime after Bernie Sanders gained more momentum with a win in wisconsin, the democrats are on the road in pennsylvania today, but Hillary Clinton says shes feeling very good about her big delegate lead. Clinton has made new york her home and shes pulling out all the stops in order to stop sanders there. Theyll face off in a cnn debate next week. And whoever becomes the next commander in chief will have to deal with the chilling new threat from north korea. Kim jonguns regime is now believed to have the ability to mount a miniaturized Nuclear Warhead on a Medium Range Missile that could put the whole region at risk. Ill speak with the republican senator who is a member of the intelligence committee. Our correspondents, analysts and guests will have full coverage of all the days top stories. Lets begin with our cnn political reporter, sara murray. Shes in new york for us. The battle there is already beginning. Sara, what is the very latest . Reporter thats right, wolf, the Trump Campaign is hoping a string of wins in east coast states will give their campaign a boost. In the meantime, they are going to have to deal with this tough narrative coming out of wisconsin as well as a power struggle within their own campaign. After ted cruzs big win in wisconsin it was a turning point, i believe, in this entire election. Reporter the gop primary fight appears to be veering toward a contested convention. I am more and more convinced that our campaign is going to earn the 1,237 delegates needed to win the republican nomination. Either before cleveland or at the convention in cleveland. Reporter donald trump, lashing out tuesday night after his loss, and accusing cruz are illegally coordinating with the super pacs that support him. Adding, ted cruz is worse than a puppet. He is a trojan horse being used by the party bosses, attempting to steal the nomination from mr. Trump. Today cruz shot back. You know, donald can always be counted on to take the high road and to demonstrate class. If he wants to engage in insults, hes welcome to do so. He gets they angry when the voters reject him. Reporter now Trumps Campaign is trying to regroup and work through an internal power struggle between Campaign Manager Corey Lewandowski and veteran gop strategist Paul Manafort. He recently joined the campaign to help with the delegate process but he may bow taking on a more prominent, strategic role, as he urges more discipline to ensure trump earns enough delegates to become the nominee. To avoid a floor fight, trump needs approximately 60 of the remaining delegates and the billionaire businessman has a hometown advantage. A monmouth poll shows 52 of gop primary voters support trump, compared to 25 for john kasich and 17 for ted cruz. But if trump cant get the delegates he needs and appears poised to lose in a convention fight, trump ally roger stone is already threatening retaliation. Were going to have protests, demonstrations. We will disclose the hotels and the room numbers of those delegates who are directly involved in the steal. If youre from pennsylvania, well tell you who the culprits are. We urge you to visit their hotel and find them. Reporter now, donald trump will be holding a Campaign Event pretty soon here in new york. This is one of the states he wants to win big, and his Campaign Still believes their best chance is trying to get 1,237 delegates before they get to the convention. They are still hoping they can avoid a floor fight in cleveland, wolf. Sara, thank you. Sara murray reporting for us. Ted cruz already campaigning on trumps turf. Sunlen serfaty is in new york for us. Cruz says hes on a roll. Whats the latest from his point of view . Reporter thats right, wolf. Senator cruz is trying hard to frame it exactly that way, even though he is well behind in the delegates. Hes certainly trying to capitalize on his win in wisconsin right now. Senator cruz essentially trying to paint his as the campaign that is on the rise and in contrast, Donald Trumps is a campaign on a downward slope, trying to really cast all of the string of recent donald trump losses as a broader trend, a broader passenger around his campaign. As he was campaigning here in the bronx today, we saw him offer something of a laundry list of those states that donald trump has lost recently to make this point, to hammer down on this point. Heres what he told me earlier today. He has now lost in four states in a row. He lost a landslide election in utah, he lost all six delegates that were elected in colorado. He lost badly in north dakota and yesterday in wisconsin, a state that he bragged the day before, the day before yesterday donald trump promised a, quote, big victory in wisconsin. And not only did he not get a big victory but the men and women of wisconsin resoundingly rejected his campaign. And the reason is simple. Donald has no solutions to the problems were facing. He likes to yell and scream and insult and curse. And his Statement Last night was consistent with that. Reporter that was a reference there to the Trump Campaign statement comparing senator cruz to a trojan horse used by party bosses. Now, senator cruz today as well as his aides really trying to brush that off, essentially, wolf, painting donald trump as a sore loser. Sunlen serfaty in new york for us. Joining us now, james risch of idaho. Senator, thanks very much for joining us. I know you had endorsed marco rubio. That didnt work out. Who are you endorsing now . I think now it becomes a matter of pragmatics for republicans. Im privy, as most americans are, to the polling thats out there and it is stunning the defeat that donald trump would face against Hillary Clinton. It would probably be epic and historical. If he were the nominee . If he were the nominee. So youre not going to support donald trump . Im not going to support him. What about the other two . Well, i would obviously kasich is so far behind its impossible really for him to get the numbers. So by process of elimination, that gets you to ted cruz. So you want ted cruz to get the republican nomination . At this point theres no choice. Well, there are other choices if its a contested convention. Theres been some who have said, you know what, maybe paul ryan, the speaker, on the third or fourth ballot could come in or someone along those lines. Wolf, there was a really good article on your website, on cnns website written by david gergen this morning. Hes a very smart man, as you know, and a deep thinker. And he laid out, i think, what is a pretty reasonable scenario as to how this thing plays out. Having said that, reasonable scenarios have not carried the day throughout this entire Campaign Season. So you see ted cruz as the republican nominee. At least you hope hell be the republican nominee . First of all, i do hope so. And secondly, this gergen article paints the path forward for cruz. Now, its entirely possible that trump gets the 1,237 as he walks into the convention. But he better have 1,237 when he walks into the convention, because whatever he has when he walks through the door, i think thats what hes going to have vote after vote after vote. And since you have to be have won eight states in order to be to have your name put in nomination unless they change that rule. Well, but whos going to change that rule . The rules Committee Meets the week before the convention and come up with any rules they want. They could, but its still going to have to be adopted by the convention. And the cruz people and the trump people arent going to vote for a rule that what happens if trump comes in and doesnt have that magic number but hes just short of it but still has a lot more than cruz and kasich. There are going to be a lot of angry Republican People at that convention if he doesnt get it, especially if he has millions more popular votes in all of these contests. Right. And i think theres going to be anger no matter what happens. Youre seeing it already on here where theres people threatening protests and what have you. Youve got to let the process play out. The process is very simple. You go to the convention and vote until somebody gets 1,237 votes. Now, if hes close and still doesnt make it, the guy who does make it will have to have 1,237 votes. I hear them talking about stealing the convention and all these conspiracies that are afoot and what have you. Theres a specific process for doing this and for voting. People need to let it play out. Why are you more comfortable with cruz . I know youre not necessarily enthusiastic about cruz. You said that, i didnt. But why are you more comfortable with cruz than trump . Polling. The polling i think is if you dig into the National Polling thats being done and you always look at favorable versus unfavorable and that ratio. And trumps favs versus unfavs are stunningly upside down, particularly with critical demographic groups. In a general election. In a general election. Women particularly, its stunning where he stands. So you think cruz would have a better chance if Hillary Clinton were the democratic nominee of beating Hillary Clinton than trump would, is that what youre saying . Thats what im saying. I think clearly he has a better shot at it with trump, unless things change dramatically, he has no shot at it. So far youre only i think by our count the third republican senator who now effectively on this program has come out and endorsed cruz. Lindsey graham and mike lee have. Did i just endorse . You sort of said you prefer him over the other two. I do. That sounds like an endorsement, doesnt it. I guess it depends on your definition. Why is he so unpopular, heres the question, with your republican colleagues in the senate . Well, i think people have different ways of accomplishing things that they want to accomplish. Sometimes its done with a smile and people are all happy at the end of the day and sometimes its not. And when youre when youre working with people and you do feel strongly about the issues, which ted cruz does, and frankly represents as hes proven in this primary, represents a very substantial number of republicans when it comes to his philosophical view of government and how government should be small. Youre going to give all these three remaining republican candidates credit. They started with 17 or 18 and theres only three left standing. Theres no question. And kasich, hes only won his home state of ohio, as we all know. But is he flexible enough, cruz . Youve dealt with him. Because the argument your Senate Colleagues make, hes so rigid and so unwilling to compromise that he would not necessarily be an effective president. You know, that remains to be seen. But if he is going to reach that level where he can bow te the president , thats going to happen during the campaign, not after he becomes president. So its going to remain to be seen who he listens to, how closely he listens to them and how he makes the adjustments he needs to make. Im going to ask you to stand by. Much more coming up. Well also take a much closer look at the democratic race. Some fascinating new developments unfolding today. Well be right back. [ male announcer ] this saturday isnt like last saturday. [ indistinct shouting ] bulk from boxed wont only save you money, it will save saturday. [ pop, screech, doorbell rings ] boxed bulksize shopping delivered easy with no membership fees. Like pigskinsusan15, who writes, now my boyfriend wants to talk on sundays. Just so many words. 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After losing in 2012 and president obama was reelected, the Republican National committee did what they call an autopsy, how to bring in more support from women, from minorities, from young people. Hows that working out so far . Well, kinda like this whole Campaign Season is. Conventional wisdom is out the window. Theres things happening out there with the general electorate that just really has escaped everyone. The predictions have been not very good, some of the polling hasnt even been very good. Cruz is not going to do well with a lot of those groups either. Well, theres certainly been some polling that says that. I think on the other hand, i think maybe cruz has the ability to step up to do that, but again that remains to be seen. Lets talk about north korea for a moment. Youre on the intelligence committee. Have they miniaturized a Nuclear Warhead that could potentially put u. S. Troops in danger of a Nuclear Strike . Wolf, i cant sit here and tell you that thats happened. What i can sit here and tell you is that the information is such that we, that is the world outside of north korea, have got to take that claim seriously. Their claims, of course, have not proven to be accurate in the past. Having said that, that is such a big deal. It is such a gamechanger. It is such a region changer that you cant sit back and not take that seriously. Kimjongun, is he rational . Youve studied the intelligence reports, youve looked at this young leader of north korea. Is he rational . No. So what does that mean, no . Well, he does things that just defy what a psychiatrist sitting here would say is appropriate under the circumstances. The kinds of things that hes doing, youd wonder whether they have a death wish. But to push the envelope the way theyre pushing the envelope, to raise the kind of flags that they raise and do the provocative things. I mean they do intentionally provocative things that at some point in time theyre going to push that envelope too far and who knows whats going to happen. And theres still almost 30,000 u. S. Troops along that dmz that separates north and south korea. Thanks for joining us. Glad to be here. Much more coming up. Were checking the republican race for the white house. The democratic race for the white house. Theres new information coming into the situation room right now. Stand by. Heres the plan. You want a family and a career, but most of the time you feel like youre trying to wrangle a hurricane. The rest of the time, theyre asleep. Then one day, hr schedules a meeting with you out of the blue. And its the worst 19 minutes of your career. But you dont sweat it because you and your advisor have prepared for this. And when the best offer means youre moving to the middle of nowhere, the boys say they hate the idea. But you pretend its not so bad. 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Take a look at this new Monmouth University poll. New york state republicans, its a closed republican contest in new york, 13 days from today. Trump is at 52 , kasich second place 25 , cruz third place 17 . That 52 number is significant because in new york state, if you get more than 50 , its winnertakeall, thats all 95 delegates. Right. If trump can hold on to that lead. Are you surprised hes doing that well in his home state . Yes and no. Donald trump has a very uncomfortable relationship with new yorkers in new york city. That sounds insignificant but its really half the population of the state is in new york city. You know, hes not beloved there. But he is, i think, doing very well in those rural, manufacturing counties upstate, out west, up north where youre from where i went to college. Hes doing well up there. If he gets all 95 delegates in new york state, that loss he had in wisconsin, is that in the Rearview Mirror then and he moves on and has the momentum. Leaving wisconsin with only six delegates just makes his math a little bit harder but not impossible. This is entirely up to donald trump. I think last night was really a referendum on a very bad week and lots of mistakes. Campaign mistakes. Donald trump retweeting a terrible photograph. Having to clean up some policy mistakes that hes made. Putting out policy proposals that are being openly mocked. He needs to get president ial. He needs to get serious. He needs to study up on issues like abortion and nuclear weapons. If he does that, the math and the map are there for him. Heres the question about cruz, rebecca. In this new york state 13 days, thats going to be a big primary april 19th. Cruz is behind kasich only 17 . Can he narrow that gap . Can he emerge in new york state a lot better than it shows right there . Thats really all that his campaign is hoping to do in new york. Theyre hoping to exceed expectations. And so thats why you saw ted cruz going straight to new york today with an event this afternoon in the bronx, which weve seen some footage of on cnn today. But really there is not any sort of natural turf for him in new york. What makes this very difficult is you have a number of congressional districts that are really heavily democratic where republicans arent organized, where we havent really seen any reliable polling over the years for republicans, they dont have any data to work off of, and so theyre kind of flying blind here in many of these congressional districts where theyre hoping to pick up maybe one or two delegates. But really what cruz and what kasich as well are going to be doing in new york, not looking to win but looking to scrape together any delegates that they can find. Cruz today, hilary, he redefined what he meant by new york values. Remember criticizing trump for having, quote, new york values. Now he says when you spoke of new york values, he meant liberal politicians who have new york values. Is that going to work in new york . I think to quote my friend Carly Fiorina, everyone knew what he meant when he said new york values. Theres no question that that was an attack on new yorkers, and i think it stung. And i think its hard for him to come back from that. You know, now to say, well, i was really just talking about liberals in new york, if youll recall, the biggest backlash to him were people who were incensed about how new york game together after 9 11. Thats what people started thinking about when he was attacking new york values and i dont think people will forget that. That was when trump went after him and said you want to talk about new york values, look at those new York Firefighters and the First Responders who came to the rescue of a lot of people after 9 11. Im surprised kasich is not doing better. Hes in second place. Hes ahead of cruz. New york is the hot bed of the moderate republican, so that would normally have been a place he would have been doing better. The George Pataki of republicans. Jeffrey, youre in new york. 1,237 is the magic number. You need that number at the Republican Convention if youre going to be the nominee. Lets say trump gets close to that number but he comes in without that number on the first ballot. None of them get that number. What happens after that . Well, it becomes a trench warfare for delegate by delegate. I think its already at that stage. You know, i think were really in the post momentum expectations. The only thing that matters, its like al davis of the Oakland Raiders used to sachlt its just win, baby. You just have to win these primaries and build up delegates. If donald trump is very close to that magic number, hes going to be the nominee. I dont see any way someone who is hundreds of delegates behind is somehow going to turn this thing around. For one thing, Donald Trumps people will turn this into a political bloodbath if hes close and the doesnt get it. I think he has to get close, he doesnt have to get quite there but if hes quote, hes going to be the nominee. Political bloodbath. At one point he spoke of riots if hes close and if they steal it from him. I want to get your reaction. Hes got a new team. Hes got some new experts, delegate experts coming in, some solid republican professionals, Paul Manafort, for example, with a lot of experience dealing with contested conventions. But roger stone, and we just saw it in one of the reports, roger stone is a key ally of donald trump. He made a pretty significant threat in a radio interview. We heard it earlier. That if there are delegates out there who come and supposed to vote for trump but they dont, hes going to release their room numbers. People are going to go after them. It was a pretty serious ominous threat, if you will. Its dirty but its very trumpian. Are you blaming trump for roger stone and donald trump have been allied for years and years and years. I know roger stone as long as ive known donald trump. And those intimidation tactics, i think, are powerful. But look, the delegate talk to anyone whos been a delegate. The job of courting delegates starts years before the convention. Donald trump and his team just havent put that work in. Its good that he has now hired an expert. I think its a little too late. On those second ballots, i think that lack of organization is really going to hurt donald trump. And ted cruzs Excellent Organization is probably going to benefit him. Everybody says he has a very, very strong ground game. Jeffrey, you wanted to weigh in . I wrote a profile of roger stone for the new yorker so i spent a lot of time with him. Part of his appeal is intimidation more than actual following up on the intimidation. What hes trying to do i doubt hes going to release anybodys phone number. He claims that he was one of the sponsors of the Brooks Brothers riots which shut down the recount in 2000 in Miamidade County during the bushgore race. He likes to have the atmosphere of violence around him. But actual violence rarely does follow with him. All right, i remember that article you wrote as well. All right, guys, everyone stand by. Were going to take a close look at whats going on on the democratic side, and theres a lot going on over there. Well be right back. Muddling through your morning is nothing new. Your nose is the only thing on your mind. And to get relief, anything is fair game. Introducing rhinocort® allergy spray from the makers of zyrtec®. Powerful relief from your most frustrating nasal allergy symptom ,all day and all night. Hasnt your nose been through enough already . Try new rhinocort® allergy spray. Muddle no more® its everything youve ialways wanted. And you work hard to keep it that way. Sometimes. Maybe too hard. Get claim rateguard® from allstate. 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Lets go to our senior washington correspondent joe johns. Joe, what is the latest on the Democratic Front . Reporter wolf, Hillary Clinton is taking on a tougher tone but reprising many of the themes shes used in the past on Bernie Sanders. Her Campaign Making it very clear that they would very much like to close out this part of the campaign if they can and go about the business of spending their money on the republicans. Hillary clinton is ratcheting up her attacks on Bernie Sanders. Youve got to know what you want. Youve got to have a plan for getting it. Reporter shes trying to blunt sanders momentum following his victory in tuesdays wisconsin primary. We have now won seven out of eight of the last caucuses and primaries. Reporter while he has gained some momentum, the math is not on his side. The big wisconsin victory earned him a net gain of ten pledged delegates. Clinton still holds a lead of 229. The margin grows to 681 when super delegates are included. And i think a lot of these super delegates are going to be looking around them and are going to be saying which candidate has the momentum. Reporter the Clinton Campaign is eager to bring an end to the primary fight, launching a new offensive against sanders, looking to halt his momentum in the weeks leading up to the New York Primary on april 19th. Clinton today telling Union Workers in pennsylvania that sanders policies arent realistic. I am concerned that some of his ideas just wont work because the numbers dont add up. A number of important areas he doesnt have a plan at all. Reporter and questioning Sanders Party loyalty in an interview with cnn. Senator sanders by his own admission has never even been a democr democrat. He never ran as a democrat until he started running for president. Reporter sanders also facing scrutiny after struggling to explain a key part of his agenda, how he would break up the wall street banks during an interview with the New York Daily News Editorial Board. How you go about do it is having legislation passed or giving the authority to the secretary of treasury to determine under doddfrank that these banks are a danger to the economy over the problem of too big to fail. But do you think that the fed now has that authority . I dont know if the fed has it. Reporter clinton today seizing on the stumble. Her Campaign Even sending the full transcript to supporters in email. Seemed unclear as to whether he understood how doddfrank worked, how we would go about breaking up banks. So i was, i think, a little bit surprised that there didnt seem to be a lot of substance to what he was saying. Reporter as the race continues to intensify, the Sanders Campaign firing off a warning shot to its rival. Dont destroy the Democratic Party to satisfy the secretarys ambitions to become president of the United States, right . We want to have a party at the end of this that we can unify. Reporter clintons response today well, i mean its just ludicrous on the face of it. Reporter the Sanders Campaign has responded to the dustup over his interview with the daily news by suggesting its much ado about nothing. Sanders expected to appear here in philadelphia before the aflcio tomorrow morning. Also an opportunity for reporters to get some questions to him. Wolf. Thanks very much, joe johns reporting. Lets get back to our analysts. Hilary rosen, seven out of the eight contests, hes got momentum going but the delegate count still is a huge, huge hurdle. How significant of all these wins . Well, the wins matter. The momentum that hes experiencing, the enthusiasm of his voters are really important. Frankly, i think theyre important for democrats in november because i think that once people get engaged in an election, theyre going to stay engaged. But the math just doesnt seem to add up for him, even though he had that big win last night, he only got ten delegates. Thats just not enough to keep catching up and the big states coming up really favor hillary. Jeffrey, youve read the transcript of that full interview he did with the New York Daily News Editorial Board. From your perspective, what was his biggest mistake, his biggest stumble . Well, i think the issue on the banks, i mean here is one of the central planks of his campaign, the idea that you need to break up the big banks. You know, it relates to the central claim of income inequality. Its one way hes going to do it. He should have an answer about how hes going to break up the banks. I think people can understand chase, bank of america, these are enormous institutions. How does uncle sam say youre going to be four banks now . He needs to have an answer to that. I dont think its make or break for his campaign, but i thought it was a very poor answer to the daily news. As you know, s. E. , a week from tomorrow theres a debate in brooklyn between Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton. Cnn is hosting that debate. Ill be moderating that debate. They both have to be ready for an intense a little intensification of the exchanges presumably given whats going on lately. I think it could get lively. Yeah, and in parcular hes going to have to clean up from that interview. And do more preparation . Well, look, first kudos to my colleagues at the New York Daily News for a great interview and i know theyre hoping to get one with Hillary Clinton and donald trump and ted cruz as well. But this goes right to the heart of Bernie Sanders, the criticism of sanders, which is that hes sort of pie in the sky, too ideological, doesnt have the nuts and bolts of the things that hes promising. And so i think to alleviate some of those concerns, hes going to need to lay out some real substance. He in many ways has trumps problem. His fans dont really care that hes not as specific as, you know, we might like him to be. But i think the rest of the Democratic Party would like him to be. Let me play, rebecca, the full clip. Jeff weaver, the Campaign Manager for Bernie Sanders, he had this Exchange Last night here on cnn. Dont destroy the Democratic Party to satisfy the secretarys ambitions to become president of the United States, right . We want to have a party at the end of this that we can unify. Lets have a tough debate. Lets talk about the issues. There are sharp contrasts between the two. But lets not, you know, denigrate oar peoples supporters and tear the party apart. Whats your reaction when you heard that . Because thats a pretty tough statement. It is. Its an interesting point, though, because really when you compare the democratic primary to the republican side, it really has been very civil up to this point. Theres no reason, especially looking at the delegate math, looking at Bernie Sanders as really facing an impossible challenge to win the nomination at this point, theres really no reason that democrats should suddenly turn uncivil in this fight. I think the onus is really on Hillary Clinton at this point because she is being tough on Bernie Sanders, but she also has to make a calculation how much does she want to go after him, but how much would be too much and potentially offend his supporters. She needs to have his supporters excited to come to her side if and when she wins the nomination. How does she walk that delicate tight rope because she needs that base and hes got a huge, enthusiastic crowd of young people out there who want to support him. If shes going to be elected president , assuming she gets the nomination, shes going to need those Bernie Sanders supporters. It is tough, because youve got passion versus policy. And Hillary Clinton is all policy. We know that. And her supporters are more focused on policy. What she has to do is what she was doing towards the beginning of this race, which is talking about especially the young people. You may not be for me, but im always going to be for you. When it comes to senator sanders, though, she has taken some low blows from him. And he needs to own up to some of those attacks that hes responsible for. But i want the attacks that the democrats have, i really do. In 2008 everybody was saying barack obama is going to have trouble getting Hillary Clintons women back. Not so much trouble. Democrats are going to get united. Can they get united . Yeah, ill tell you how they can get united. If donald trump or ted cruz is the nominee. Thats all the democrats need and all differences will fall away. Also everybody is getting the vapors. Oh, its so negative. This hasnt been a very negative race between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders. I mean, you know, they have not you cant even point to anything that down the road will be used against one another. Compared to the republican race, this has been, you know, an oxford debate. And i think thats why hillary laughed. An Important Note to our viewers. Ill be moderating cnns democratic president ial debate in brooklyn. Hillary clinton and Bernie Sanders will face off next thursday night. That will be live. 9 00 p. M. Eastern. Its the last chance for new yorkers to watch the democrats debate before the primary. Stand by for that. Coming up, a new poll shows donald trump with a commanding lead in new york state. 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A south korean official says kims regime may be able to place a Nuclear Warhead on a Medium Range Missile. North korea, this official says, has apparently succeeded in miniaturizing a warhead to fit on to a missile it calls the rodong. Being able to deliver a wonton Nuclear Warhead would certainly cause devastation to a city like seoul, south korea, perhaps taking out a quarter of the city. Reporter its not just americas allies in south korea and japan who would be in range of a Nuclear Capable missile. American forces all over the region are vulnerable to this. It can carry a nuclear p payload about 850 miles. That puts the dmz in range, seoul, military installations across okinawa and other areas along japan where u. S. Forces are based. Reporter u. S. Officials tell cnn north korea likely cannot yet strike the u. S. Mainland with a Nuclear Warhead, but its been believed that kim could strike japan and south korea with nuclear weapons. Most troubling, kim poised last month with what the North Koreans claimed was a miniaturized warhead. You have to take what they do very seriously. Theyre not idiots and theyve been at this for a long time. Steal the design, buy designs, acquire them in other ways in order to be able to make smaller warheads. Reporter at the same time, south korea is worried about kim jonguns hold on power. An official saying his leadership is seemingly unshakeable. Analysts say his bloody purges and executions have eliminated some threats. Theres nothing to indicate, i believe, that his leadership, his direct leadership is under threat or challenge. He has, i think, continues to devote great efforts to security around his immediate physical perimeter. He continues to rely on family members, including his sister who seems to be more and more by his side and playing a very active political role. Reporter but analysts say kim may be tailoring where he travels in korea because of threats. Not likely from a coup but from a possible single disgruntled general who may decide to take a shot at him. Theres been some worrisome activity at the main nuclear facility. What are you learning . Satellite images put out a short time ago by weapons experts who monitor north korea fairly consistently. They indicate theres suspicious activity at yongbyon where they produce plutonium for nuclear weapons. It could mean they are producing more bombs. They already have between 10 and 16 Nuclear Bombs and could have as many as 50, possibly more by 2020. Terrifying when you think about it. Coming up, after ted cruz wins wisconsin, the battle moves to new york. Donald trump holds a big lead in his home state but can he win enough delegates to avoid a contested convention . Hey, jesse. Who are you . Im vern, the orange money retirement rabbit from voya. Orange money represents the money you put away for retirement. Over time, your money could multiply. Hello, all of you. 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Donald trump is now in his home state fighting for delegates while slamming ted cruz, calling him a trojan horse for the republican establishment. Tonight cruz is hitting back saying trump gets very angry when voters reject him. Were standing by to hear from trump live. His first comments since his stunning defeat. Clintons new offensive. After her own humbling loss in wisconsin, Hillary Clinton launches a new offensive. Her campaign is hitting Bernie Sanders saying he cant answer simple questions about his signature issue wall street reform and suggesting hes not qualified to be president. Tonight Hillary Clintons surprising reaction to a warning from sanders aides that shes tearing apart the Democratic Party to solidify her own ambition. Also, nato response. Donald trump calls the alliance protecting europe obsolete and says Member Nations have left paying the bills to the United States. All that as the organization faces criticism its not doing enough to fight isis right now. Tonight, a rare interview, natos secretarygeneral is here live in the situation room. Hell respond to donald trump. And kims ambition. A key american ally saying north koreas dangerously unpredictable leader may be right when he claims he now has Nuclear Tipped Missiles capable of taking out americans. Is the reclusive kim jongun now capable of laurening a Nuclear Strike against the u. S. . We want to welcome our viewers in the United States and around the world. Im wolf blitzer. Youre in the situation room. Were following several important new developments as the race for president moves to the critical primary state of new york. After suffering a humbling defeat in wisconsin, donald trump is hurling insults at the man who beat him, senator ted cruz, calling him a puppet of the establishment. Tonight cruz says the race is at a turning point. A brandnew poll shows trump with a healthy lead in new york and cruz in third place. Ever more likely that neither candidate will score enough delegates to win a nomination outright, could the Republican Party be heading for a nasty floor fight at this summers convention. Were standing by to hear from donald trump live after his big loss. New yorks primary also will be a show down between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders. They are sharpening their attacks on one another as we count down to their next debate right here on cnn. Also tonight, the secretary general of nato joins us after meeting with president obama. Ill ask him about Donald Trumps recent comment that nato is obsolete and is not doing enough in the war against isis. Our correspondents, analysts and guests are all standing by with full coverage of all of these developing stories. Lets begin with our chief Political Correspondent dana bash. Dana, it looks like new york will be friendlier ground for donald trump. Whats the latest . These streets and people who walk them are so used to donald trump, much more so than the people of wisconsin or any of the states, frankly, that donald trump has won, done quite well in. And he has defied expectations, maybe even his own, by doing so well in his unconventional way. Now its a new phase of the campaign and perhaps has to do some things the oldfashioned way. The unlikely current hero of the gop establishment arrived in new york riding high after his big wisconsin win. It culminated four states in a row in the last two weeks where weve beaten donald trump over and over again. Weve won men, young people, we won every income group. Reporter but its not just ted cruz called his victory a turning point. Privately cruz sources and antitrump strategists admit the next several contests are more likely to go the billionaires way. Not just trumps home state of new york but also pennsylvania, maryland, connecticut, delaware and rhode island. A new poll in the empire state from Monmouth University shows trump with a sizable lead at 52 followed by john kasich in a very distant second at 25 and ted cruz dead last at 17 . We started off with 17 people. Ive now got two left. I call them the leftovers, right . Reporter still the Trump Campaign appears to be weighing new moves to avoid squandering his favorable terrain. Possibly giving newly hired veteran operative Paul Manafort an extended role to better organize trumps small and often scattershot campaign. The potential move raises questions about the role of embattled Campaign Manager Corey Lewandowski. Corey, good job. Reporter fiercely loyal to trump and crucial to getting the billionaire to the top of the heap. I go out, campaign. We win. We get the delegates. Reporter and the man who became frontrunner following his gut and shooting from the hip is planning something unusual for his campaign. A series of policy addresses. Aides say hes planning to give speeches in the coming weeks on issues from education to the u. S. Military. Despite trumps moves to be a more traditional candidate, he is still, well, trump. Issuing a blistering statement aimed personally at cruz after his doubledigit defeat in wisconsin. Saying ted cruz is worse than a puppet. He say trojan horse being used by the party bosses attempting to steal the nomination. Today cruz shot back. He likes to yell and scream and insult and curse. And his Statement Last night was consistent with that. Reporter now, remember, several months ago when ted cruz first began going after donald trump, he accused him of having new york values and that was not a compliment. Well, here we are, again, in new york. Ted cruz is here asking new yorkers for their votes, and that was a part of a press conference here in new york today, wolf. A subject of that. He was pressed about the comment, and his answer was, no, no, no, i didnt mean republicans in new york. I meant liberals with names like de blasio and weiner and cuomo. Dana, thanks very much on the streets of new york. Senator ted cruz didnt have much time to savor his big victory in wisconsin. Hes now facing an uphill battle in new york. Sunlen serfaty is covering the senator for us. Tell us more about the senators reaction to trumps latest name calling. Well, senator cruz is really trying to brush this aside, wolf. But also at the same time really trying to make a broader point about what this has to say about donald trump. Casting it essentially as something that a sore loser would say or do. And as he was campaigning today here in the bronx, i asked the senator about this and he struck back, you know, really hitting something of a sarcastic note in his response. Heres what he had to say. Well, you know, donald can always be counted on to take the high road and to demonstrate class. If he wants to engage in insults, hes welcome to do so. He gets very angry when the voters reject him. Senator cruz used that word rejected twice and two times in the same answer. Really kind of following on his victory speech last night in wisconsin. Really hitting this note that this is something of a Tipping Point where, in his opinion, that people are starting to turn away from donald trump. But, of course, the reality check is that senator cruz is still behind in delegates. Last night, even though he had a victory in this race, potentially pushes more towards a contested convention. The terrain ahead is much less friendly to senator cruz, including here in Donald Trumps home turf in new york. Senator cruz really trying to capitalize on this moment at this moment of momentum, wolf. Very important moment indeed. Thanks, Sunlen Serfaty reporting for us. As we await Donald Trumps rally on long island, lets bring in one of his key supporters, Scottie Nell Hughes is joining us. Thanks very much for joining us. Youve seen all the reports. Heres the question. Is a power struggle happening within the Trump Campaign right now . Well, i think its a restructuring. And thats exactly whats supposed to be expected. We knew that once it got down to more of a twoman race they would be beefing up the campaign, and they doorg that by adding on the best staff possible. Every campaign would love to have Paul Manafort. Mr. Trump was able to land him. Paul knows how to win in contentious situations like we find ourselves going into a Republican Convention. Yes, there is its not necessarily a power struggle, just a restructuring and making sure they are bringing in the right team they need if if and were optimistic well not have a brokered convention. But if we have to go into a convention, that were having a Good Relationship with all of our delegates and making sure they stay loyal. The former trump adviser, still supporter, roger stone, says he would disclose the location, the room numbers, hotels of any delegate who he says would try to steal the nomination from donald trump at the convention in cleveland. Listen to this. Were going to have protests, demonstrations. We will disclose the hotels and the room numbers of those delegates who are directly involved in the steal. If you are from pennsylvania, well tell you who the culprits are. We urge you to visit their hotel and find them. Does that sounds like a direct threat, doesnt it . Roger stone is not with the Trump Campaign, i dont think directly anymore. Theres probably a good reason why. I dont necessarily agree with it being one of those people attached to a delegate. I dont think thats the way to go. Fear never works. You have to say that right now there are and this is why mr. Trump is saying that senator cruz is a trojan horse. Were finding and its happening in states, finding these delegates that hold cruz and trump positions are being replaced by those prorubio, projeb bush delegates. And they are going to be very important once these delegates become inbound if we go to a second or third ballot. Should the Trump Campaign denounce those comments by roger stone . Thats up to the Trump Campaign. I personally dont agree in any way of causing fear, threatening folks and saying youll release numbers. If we go to a contested confention, its going to be a lot of high emotion and a lot of people involved. Its not good when we threaten Public Safety or security. Last night Donald Trumps Campaign Said ted cruz was coordinate with superpacs. Essentially accusing the Cruz Campaign of breaking the law. What evidence does he have of that . Well, and thats something for the Trump Campaign to bring out when they are ready to produce it. You have to find it to be odd youre talking about these antitrump superpacs having the same address as Carly Fiorina when she was running for office. There are a couple of crossreferences. They did a good job in wisconsin. But that was wisconsin. We are moving on. Were very optimistic. New york is double the delegates of wisconsin. After new york comes the rest of the yankee primaries. April 22nd or april 26th is considered to be doomsday for cruz. If he does not have enough delegates by that point to have the majority, i can pretty much say hes going to be in the same boat kasich is, sink, as it will be mathematically impossible for him to get to that magic number and avoid being able to steal it away from trump. They called cruz a puppet, a trojan horse. Does that make trump look like a sore loser . Hes just telling the truth. You cannot automobibelieve E Lindsey Graham in his tweet. He didnt necessarily congratulate cruz. He is giddy were going to have a contested convention which is the only way the establishment has a chance. And marco rubio not wanting to relinquish his delegates. The signs are on the wall they are using ted cruz and the establishment is only lining up behind ted cruz to get him to cleveland. Once they get to that floor theyre going to leave him and forget his name and try to get their own guy into the game. And that right there is something that i think Ted Cruz Team needs to stop being so delusional about and realize that they are being used, and its better to talk about unity with some of the trump team rather than cozying up to the establishment. Scottie, stand by. More information coming in to the situation room right now. Weve got to take a quick break. Much more right after this. [electronic sound effects] brace yourself. The first ever gsf is here. With a 467 horse power v8 engine. Torque vectoring differential. And brembo brakes. 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In just a few moments ill be speaking live with the nato secretarygeneral jens stoltenberg. There are new criticisms emerging from donald trump, worldwide questions about natos relevance and the role of nato in the war against isis. Hes been here in washington this week. Personally thanking u. S. Troops for their help, Holding Important discussions with president obama about the alliances future. First, lets go to our pentagon correspondent barbara starr. What have u. S. Leaders been saying about natos future and its role in fighting isis . Reporter right now Administration Officials are adamant that nato is good value for the u. S. Security dollar. Even if the alliance itself is not yet all in on the fight against isis. With members of an isis Terror Network at large across europe, new security worries for president obama as he meets with his commanders. As weve seen from turkey to belgium, isil still has the ability to launch serious terrorist attacks. One of my main messages today is destroying isil continues to be my top priority. Reporter the president hearing military recommendations on how to destroy key isis centers of power. We can no longer tolerate the kinds of positioning that is enabled by them having headquarters in raqqah and in mosul. Weve got to keep on putting the pressure on them. Reporter while individual nato Member Nations have undertaken military actions against isis, there are questions about whether the alliance itself should jump in. Great britain, france and turkey making some of the biggest contributions in personnel, aircraft and intelligence. But republican president ial frontrunner donald trump says the u. S. Is not getting nato to shoulder its fair share. The people that study nato, theyre so close to it. They dont understand its obsolete. Reporter telling wolf blitzer the u. S. Pays a disproportionate amount to nato to ensure the security of allies. Frankly, they have to put up more money. Theyll have to put some up also. Were paying dispropurportionately. Its too much and its a different world than it was when we originally conceived of the idea. Reporter nato remains central to u. S. Security policy, though many small Member Nation are unable or unwilling to spend as much on defense as the u. S. , even on a purporoportional basi. Nato is far from obsolete and probably more relevant than its ever been before. Reporter is the u. S. Paying too much for nato . The latest calculations show under the u. S. Defense budget about 11 cents of every 100 spent on defense goes to the alliance. Wolf . Barbara, thanks very much. Joining us in the situation room, the nato secretarygeneral jens stoltenberg. Thanks for coming in. Thank you. Go ahead and tell us why you disagree with donald trump when he says nato right now is, in his word, obsolete. Well, i will not be part of the u. S. Election campaign, but what i can do is tell what nato is doing. And we are as vital for security both for the United States and for europe as we have ever been because we are living in more dangerous world. Nato is responding to more in the east, and we are playing a key role in fighting terrorism, isil he makes the point and other critics of nato make the point many of the nato allies dont spend on defense what they should be spending. At least 2 of their gdb. They are what donald trump calls free riders. There are more european nato allies who should spend more on defense. Why dont they . Because they havent, so far, implemented what can nato do anything to punish these nato there are 28 countries in nato. They want the benefits but they dont want to share the burden. We decided in 2014 to stop the cuts in defense spending and gradually increase toward 2 . The first year after that in 2015, were seeing the cuts have stopped. Thats the first thing. Then well continue to push for an increase, and also six nato allies increased defense spending. But theyre still not at the 2 level. The picture is mixed. Some spend 2 or more. The united kingdom, poland and other nato allies in europe. But too many are spending too little. Thats the reason well continue to address these at all our meetings in nato and every time we meet leaders from nato countries in the different capitals, ill address this issue. Nato countries individually are fighting isis, which is a grave threat, as you well know. But nato as an organization has not gone in to fight isis as it did to fight the taliban, for example, in afghanistan. Why cant nato play a role as an organization in trying to crush isis . As i said, all nato allies participate, contribute to the International Efforts to fight isis. Why cant nato do it against isis what it did against the taliban . What nato does is that we have started to build local capacity to fight isil because we believe in the long run, its better than we enable local forces to fight isil instead of us deploying large number of but nato is headquartered in belgium, outside of brussels. We saw what recently hand. Youd think that the Nato Alliance would say, this represents a threat not just to the region, whether iraq or syria or elsewhere. It represents a threat to europe most of the nato allies are in europe. Why not get together and say, as an organization, were going to get the job done and crush isis . Well, thats the reason why we are stepping up our efforts. By for instance who is resisting . Theres no resistance. But they are doing it in different ways. Natos alliance has presence in turkey bordering syria and iraq. Well increase our presence there. Were starting to train iraqi turkey say member of nato. Yes. But its important for us to be present in turkey and to provide military assurance to turkey because turkey is so much affected whats going on in iraq and syria. Moreover, we are starting the training of iraqi officers because we strongly believe that by Building Local capacity, enabling forces in the region to fight isil, thats a more sustainable solution in the long run. Is anyone proposing that nato do to isis what it did to the taliban . Well, nato and anato allies oar. Nato individual nato countries are doing that like the United States, the uk, other countries, but as an alliance, because thats what the americans, a lot of americans want to hear, that nato is getting its act together and going to crush isis which is seen as a grave threat. The important thing is that we are able together to fight isil in an effective way. And we are nato should train, assist and advise. And the air strikes should be done by the coalition and all nato allies support those efforts. Also what we do in afghanistan, is important when it comes to fighting terrorism. Nato did get involved, very impressively. A lot of nato trips, unfortunately, died fighting in afghanistan. More than 1,000 died in afghanistan. Flat fl nato did not get involved in iraq and its not involved against isis. To help and train iraq to fight isil. To help train iraqi officers is an important element in fighting isis. How many nato troops are in iraq right now training iraqi troops . We oar we do the training in jordan and were using jordanian forces, organized and financed by nato to train so youre training iraqi forces in jordan. Why not train them in iraq . That may be the next step. But many nato allies are already doing that. And again, the way we organize this is not the most important thing. The most important thing is that nato allies in different ways are part of the fight against one final question. How worried are you about your security, not just you personally, but nato security in brussels right now listen whats going on . We saw the other week what happens. Well, we have seen in brussels that no country is immune. And no country is 100 secure against terrorist attacks. And that just underlines the importance of fighting isil in iraq, syria, but also to step up the work when it comes to intelligence, in countries like belgium. And nato allies are doing exactly that. Youre beefing up your security at your headquarters . We are. Jens stoen s stoltenberg is secretarygeneral. Thank you very much for coming in. Just ahead, much more on the president ial race here in the United States. Were standing by for Donald Trumps First Campaign rally since his punishing loss in wisconsin. Were also following important developments in the democratic president ial race, including what many, including Hillary Clinton, consider to be senator Bernie Sanders surprising stumble. Hey pal . 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It shows donald trump leading with 52 support from republican primary voters. His closest competition is john kasich, with 25 support. And ted krud actually comes in third in this poll with 17 support. New york is a big delegate prize. This is where the Trump Campaign feels theyre well positioned to win and to begin to change this narrative, this rocky stretch capped off by the loss in wisconsin. One of the other things theyll have to work through and theyre trying to work through is this power struggle going on within the Trump Campaign between Campaign Manager Corey Lewandowski and Paul Manafort. The campaign originally brought on to help with the delegate process. He appears to be taking on a more strategic roll, pushing trump and his campaign to be more disciplined and hit 1,237 delegates to avoid a convention fight. New york would be a huge step in helping him do that. Thanks, sara. Shes at that rally. Well have coverage of that once it starts. Lets get coverage from our chief political analyst gloria borger, senior political commentator david axelrod, he was a Senior Adviser to president obama and real clear politics reporter rebecca berg is with us. That monmouth poll, 52 for donald trump, very significant. Because in new york if you get more than 50 of the vote, its winner take all. Thats 95 delegates. The second biggest prize after california. Right. And you can there are ways in new york state if you win 50 you get about 11 or 12 delegates, and then its by congressional district. So there are ways for people to peel delegates. If you get under 50 . Away from donald trump. But its really important for him, obviously. Its looking good for him. Thises should home turf. Theres a sense that in order to get his momentum back, hes got to win new york state. But the feeling is inside the Trump Campaign and the other campaigns is they need to get control of this delegate process which they dont have control of. As sara was mentioning, theyve hired Paul Manafort. He is somebody who worked in the 76 convention for jim baker and gerald ford. Which was a contested convention. Hes trying to consolidate and take charge of this very important process that they cant win the nomination without. They need some real ground game. Totally. Cruz has an excellent ground game by all accounts. David, by losing in wisconsin, the Trump Campaign accused cruz of coordinating with superpacs which would be illegal. What does that tell you, that tough state of the campaign right now . Well, obviously, ted cruz has gotten Donald Trumps attention. I thought that statement veered from tantrum to genius. The tantrum part was the part you referred to, very overheated and very trumplike. The genius part is he identified ted cruz as a vehicle for the party establishment. Remember, ted cruz made his reputation within the Republican Party as an outsider challenging the establishment in washington. Now hes the vehicle of that establishment to try and stop donald trump. And donald trump wants rank and file voters out there to know that ted cruz is the establishment candidate. So i thought there was some strategic reason behind the statement. I thought the other stuff was extraneous and not very helpful. As you know, rebecca, as of right now, our estimate is trump needs to win about 60 of the remaining delegates to get to 1,237. Cruz needs to win more than 90 to get to that magic number. Thats almost impossible. There very likely will be a contested convent whereion if n gets to 1,237. How would that play out . It may be likely and more likely after the results in wisconsin. We dont know how a contested convention would play out, because the rules of the convention are written before the convention. Every four years, written the week before the convention and those rules are yet to be decided. They may decide only certain people are qualified to run for president. That you need to have won states or delegates to have your name put up for the nomination. But we do know that ted cruz, as you alluded to, has a very good organization. He is going after delegates in all of these states. Not only unbound delegates, but delegates committed on the first ballot but wont be on the second or third ballots. And donald trump to win at a convention will need to get his act together in a big way. Hes bringing on Paul Manafort. But one person does not a campaign make and you need buyin from he needs a major infrastructure improvement. Talking to people familiar with delegate hunting, it seems to me that they believe that trump needs to win on the first ballot. And that if he doesnt win on the first ballot at the convention, all bets are off and all hell breaks loose. At that point, anything can occur, depending on what the rules are. And by the way, the rules can also be changed on the floor of the convention. Not just in the Floor Committee but you can do anything you want after the first ballot. So right now, they are trying to figure out how many delegates people can steal from donald trump on a second ballot or take away. Steal say lois a loaded word. Usually on the democratic side or republican side, if one candidate has millions more votes, a lot more delegates, maybe they havent reached that magic number, they sort of consolidate. Everybody else walks away and they emerge as the nominee for all practical purposes. Thats what usually happens. Thats not happening this time on the republican side. Why . Because i think theres great fear about what donald trump at the top of the ticket would mean for the Republican Party. If you look at general election polls, they look catastrophic with trump at the top of the ticket. So theyre trying to slow this train down and stop it. And gloria is right. If he doesnt get it on the first ballot, theres a good chance he wont get it at all. Manaforts effort would be if hes close to 1,237, whats deals can they cut to get these unbound delegates to get themselves over the finish line, which is about what happened in 1976. So flotheres a bit of historic parallel. A lot of people are studying that 1976 contested convention. Which none of us remember. Well look at the democratic race for the white house. New developments with Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders. Stick around. Well be right back. Safety doesnt come in a box. Its not a banner that goes on a wall. Its not something you do now and then. Or when its convenient. At bp, its training and retraining in stateoftheart simulators so were better prepared for any situation. Its giving offshore teams support from onshore experts, so we have extra sets of eyes on our wells. And its empowering anyone to stop a job if something doesnt seem right. So everyone comes home safely. Were working every day at bp, to improve our training, our technology, our culture. 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After a string of second place finishes, Hillary Clinton is counting on new york state and other upcoming contests and pennsylvania to help her and to become her next firewall. Both clinton and sanders are in pennsylvania tonight. So is our senior Political Correspondent brianna keilar. Recent sanders interview giving Hillary Clinton plenty to talk about. Whats the latest . Especially as she has decided to be newly aggressive with sanders. He really served her up an opportunity inning this New York Daily News ed board. He was unable to put meat on the bones of some of his key campaign promises. He said he didnt know what statute hed use to prosecute the executives of offending big banks. And he didnt seem to know what his authority would be as president to break up the big banks. He was talking about dodd frank, the democratic led financial reform bill passed in the wake of the financial meltdown. Having legislation passed that could be the authority for the secretary of treasury to determine under dodd frank that these measures are a danger to the economy over the problem of too big to fail. Do you think the fed now has that authority . I dont know if the fed has it. Now later when pressed, Bernie Sanders did say that he thought the fed did have the authority and as Hillary Clinton is clearly taking the gloves off, she seized on these comments. Heres what she told cnn. Im clear as to whether he understood how dodd frank worked. How we would go about breaking up banks that were posing risks to our economy. I think i and many other people were surprised because that has been the centerpiece of his campaign. Now talking, wolf, to the Sanders Campaign, its clear they realize Bernie Sanders was not as sharp as he should have been. One top aide saying hes definitely informed. So was this an issue of him being very exhausted, keeping up a Grueling Campaign schedule or not liking the tone of the questions from this ed board. Its really unclear at this point. Brianna keilar reporting for us. Lets get back to our political experts. David axelrod, should Hillary Clinton be going on the attack against Bernie Sanders right now . I think theres real risk to it. I understand her frustrations. She has this persistent challenge. Shes in the position of frontrunner, even as this guy is firing at her every day. And she wants to fire back. But i would remind her that both she and Bernie Sanders have very high favorables among democrats. Democrats like Bernie Sanders. And i dont think that they necessarily want to see sniping between them. And i think theres greater risk for her than there is for him as a person who is going to have to unify the party afterwards, if she does become the nominee. So i think she has to walk this line carefully. And i also am not sure, while i think that Bernie Sanders should have been better prepared for that Editorial Board meeting, im not sure a debate about the arcania of dodd frank is going to drive people to the polls. Take a listen to this, gloria. As you know, in that interview, the Editorial Board of the New York Daily News he was pressod the issue of guns and sandy hook and whether gun manufacturers should be held liable. Hillary clinton really went after him on that. He just gave an interview to cbs news. And listen to what he said about her. What happened at sandy hook is a tragedy beyond comprehension. But maybe secretary clinton might want to apologize to the families who lost their loved ones in iraq or secretary clinton might want to apologize to the millions of workers in this country who lost their jobs because of the disastrous trade agreements. Well show the cover, the front page of the New York Daily News. There you can see, bernies sandy hook shame. He really took that. Shes calling on him to apologize. Hes saying she should apologize for what happened in iraq because she voted for the war in iraq. She should apologize for, he says, the millions of jobs lost because of trade agreements like nafta. Its very clear they are getting under each others skin. These are people who dont like each other anymore. And i think in every campaign, and david having run them can really speak about this better than i can. There becomes a Tipping Point where it does its not so great for the party anymore. Were all talking about how this makes Hillary Clinton a better candidate. And how Bernie Sanders has sharpened her and how shes now more in touch with the base of the party and all the rest of it. But if Bernie Sanders is now out there saying that Hillary Clinton ought to apologize for iraq and Hillary Clinton ought to apologize for trade policies, which, by the way, barack obama also likes. He was opposed to the war in iraq. I think at a certain point, it what do you think, rebecca . I think there is that risk as well, and thats the case that Hillary Clinton is making at this point, that Bernie Sanders ought to think about getting out of the race because he doesnt have a path to the nomination. Bernie sanders doesnt look like hes going to stop anytime soon. He has the money to continue. He certainly has the will to continue. Really this race on the democratic side has remained remarkably civil when you look at how competitive it has been, especially relative to the republican side. Its been just a really nice conversation between two people, but it will be interesting to see how this plays out in the debate on cnn, because both of them have some work to do cleaning up. David axelrod, were you surprised how tough he was in responding to Hillary Clinton saying she should apologize for all the lives lost in iraq and all the jobs lost because of these trade agreements . I think that was an overheated answer. I think people will react badly to that. It seems like an evasion. This gun issue is the one issue on which Bernie Sanders seems profoundly uncomfortable. Hes taken positions that are more in keeping with his state than the Progressive Movement within the Democratic Party. Every time guns come up, he appears peevish. Hillary clinton and Bernie Sanders, they will face off next thursday night. Thats live at 9 00 p. M. Eastern. Its the last chance for new yorkers to watch the democrats debate before their critically important primary. Kim jongun says he has miniaturized a Nuclear Warhead that could reach america and allies and american bases. See me. See me. Dont stare at me. See me. See me. See me to know that psoriasis is just something that i have. Im not contagious. See me to know that. I wont stop until i find what works. Discover cosentyx, a different kind of medicine for moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. 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The republican frontrunner is hoping to reenergize his supporters three days from today. Were also following other Important News including from north korea. Kim jonguns regime says it has miniaturized a Nuclear Warhead that can fit on a missile. It has all the makings of a nuclear nightmare. Jim sciutto has been looking into this. Very disturbing. What are you learning . U. S. Officials say there are many steps to degree a truly Nuclear Capable state. In recent weeks, north korea has taken several ominous steps, including its Fourth Nuclear test, several successful missile tes tests, which is leading some in u. S. Intelligence to say north korea does have a nuclear capability. Reporter south korean intelligence concluding that north korea can deliver a warhead 1200 miles, putting military bases within reach of a Nuclear Strike. Kim jongun is already celebrating, posing for pictures near what north korea claims to be the warhead. U. S. Intelligence has yet to reach the same conclusion, but u. S. Officials say they must assume that they have an untested capability to miniaturize and launch a nuclear weapon. It is also committed to developing a longrange missile that is capable of posing a direct threat to the United States. Reporter some nuclear analysts share south koreas more dire assessment. The evidence is mounting. They probably have a Nuclear Warhead that can fit on a missile that could hit south korea or japan. Reporter south koreas assessment now shared in some u. S. Intelligence circles follows a series of successful tests, beginning with an underground nuclear test in january and followed by four missile tests, including a space launch believed to be a step toward an Intercontinental Ballistic Missile that could reach the u. S. Suspicious activity at north Koreas Nuclear facility. In response, the u. N. , the u. S. , and china have all recently imposed harsh economic sanctions on north korea, and the u. S. Recently flew a Nuclear Capable b52 near north korean air space and sailed a u. S. Aircraft carrier near its waters, but north korea has continued to make progress. U. S. Policy has failed. We have not stopped them. We have tried ignoring them and sanctioning them. It doesnt work. Reporter the u. S. Has taken several steps to safe guard the u. S. And its allies in the region from a north korean Nuclear Strike. This includes boosting the number of groundbased intercepters. One of the most dangerous spots on earth right now. Thanks very much for that report. Thats it for me. Thanks for watching. Erin Burnett Outfront starts right now. Donald trump live this hour. His first appearance since a bruising defeat in wisconsin. Will he make any changes to his campaign . And the fight for the gop nomination now headed to the convention floor. Delegates say theyre worried things could turn violent. Plus, its never been nastier between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders, fighting for every vote in new york. Lets go outfront. Good evening. Im erin burnett. Outfront tonight, the breaking news. Donald trump about to speak at a massive rally on new yorks long island. Nearly 20,000 people have