And we expect to have you know, its a recordsetting crowd. Weve never had an empty seat and we certainly wont in oklahoma. That was a lie. There are usually empty seats at his events and there were lots of them in tulsa. Trump set out to produce a television show. He fell short. Partly because folks are rightly concerned to be in a room with thousands of others during the coronavirus pandemic. And it seems that one of the other reasons why there were so many empty seats is a noshow protest. A noshow protest. This all started with a video on tiktok created by Mary Jo Laupp who is effectively a tiktok grandma. She made a video more than a week ago urging viewers to go to trumps site, sign up to attend the rally but not show up at the rally. Her video was showed thousands of times, and younger tiktok videos showing different videos, kpop fans were trying to sabotage trumps rally. Look, it seemed to work to some degree. We dont know exactly how well but Trumps Campaign manager was out there talking about how many people were signing up. Trump was bragging there were a Million People rsvping, they were gathering all this data about people they can use for the campaign. Apparently it was a bunch of kids, a bunch of teenagers signing up as a protest. Clearly not everybody showed up in tulsa. Maybe people heard the huge numbers and said they didnt want to go through the hassle of the crowds. Its unclear exactly what happened. There are multiple factors. Were going live to tulsa in a moment. First i spoke with Mary Jo Laupp about her role in whats being called a noshow protest. So, mary jo, what happened . I had educated myself on black wall street and understood why black content creators on various platforms were upset about the juneteenth rally. I post add video late thursday night, the 11th, that was sort of meant to be a frustrated rant. I had 1,000 followers on tiktok at that point. Most of my videos were seen a couple hundred times maybe. And then this went viral on multiple platforms . Yes. By 7 00 the next morning it had been seen hundreds of times, and then the kpop fans jumped on from twitter. When they get involved, you know its getting serious. The idea is everybody is going to sign up for tickets, claim they want to attend the rally and, of course, not show up. How much of an impact do you think this online prank actually had in tulsa yesterday . I honestly cant tell you because this is these social Media Systems are generational. So, when i shared a video, lets say my video was shared 700 times but each of those people would have people sharing their copies of it so thats 700 more people i never saw. So, its impossible to tell for sure just because of this generational impact that both twitter and tiktok have. All i know is i was at a Birthday Party for one of my grand kids and my phone started blowing up with friends saying, i had seen what was going on and i started paying attention. This is how its going to be from now on, whenever the president holds a rally theres going to be this attempt to prank him, to troll him, to trick him . I dont think it was just an issue of pranking him. Youve got a lot of kids in the younger generation, 20yearolds and teens, who are very aware theyre much more aware and selfeducated when it comes to things like black culture. Yes, theyre tweeting it not as a prank but a lot of messages i got from parents and their kids were, i never knew this much about black wall street. This is so sad. So, theyre excited about the impact it had, but i also think its theyre becoming much more aware of the marginalized communities and theyre learning to speak out. A form of protest, what weve seen as a protest. We dont know how much of an impact it had but it clearly had some impact in tulsa. Now, Going Forward youre the socalled tiktok grandma. How are these platforms changing the way you interact with the world . How has this changed your life . I have had a lot of teenagers reach out and say that they dont feel supported by their parents because they have different political ideologies than their parents do, so theyve asked me as an adult how would i how should i talk to my parents to get them to understand where im coming from . Which i think thats a powerful question for teenagers to be able to ask, someone thats not emotionally invested in their relationship. But i think social media has made it very clear i posted one video and it got shared way more times than i could have done anything with it. And i think thats a very careful lesson we all need to be aware. Number one, i had no intention of going viral. Theres the lesson, be careful what you post because you never know. But i also think it definitely has created this huge sense of community. Theres a lot of posts all over my social media of, we did it. Kids who arent even old enough to vote in this upcoming election feel theyve had a voice and say, we dont approve of some of the things happening in our country and this noshow protest was a way to make our voices heard. Their voices were heard, indeed. Lets get the latest from tulsa, reporter for the new york times, well bring in Jasmine El Gamal in a moment. Youre in tulsa. You saw the crowds, you saw the lack of crowds. What to you is the biggest headline from trumps attempt to campaign relaunch in tulsa . Yeah, i think what the the expectations that the campaign had set, which were admittedly sky high, were simply not met. Not in the enthusiasm, not in the crowd size. And really not in the kind of intimidation that they were trying to give to joe biden and to democrats. I was struck earlier in the day by how the response from black tulsa, from liberal tulsa, was to just let trump have his day. Not to have the protests, not to start that many clashes because they didnt want to give him the spectacle he desired. It turns out as that day went on, that looked like a fairly smart play. We were not seeing the type of clashes conservatives have come to expect and we didnt see the crowds they came to expect. That caused the focus to be intently on what was happening inside the arena, both the lack of enthusiasm that we saw in there and the message. As you wrote in the new york times, he played the hits. He played all those usual, you know, kind of narratives. Did you take precautions . Tell me about the precautions in the age of covid19. Yeah, the times has been vigilant about us reporters out going through training around wearing masks. I had an n95 on. We had training about how to keep that on and i was trying to keep distance. At the same time, these precautions arent going to be held up to when the person youre speaking to is not wearing a mask and theyre not doing that also. I remember looking at some surrogates who were shaking hands, kissing babies, that politicking i havent seen in a long time. Not only there havent been events but even the oneses ive gone to, ive seen republicans be in georgia and South Carolina recently, they have taken some precautions. That was not true because the president made it such a political act to do things like wearing a mask and social distancing, some of his supporters were saying when they received the free mask, they threw it right in the trash when they got it. One more question for you. Did you encounter a lot of covid denialism, a lot of people in denial about the danger . Uhhuh. There was some. I mean, i think it ranged on a spectrum. There were some who ak nonled the reality of the virus but said they did not think it was as real or built up as they blamed the moo edia or others t do. Some who flat out said, i dont think this is happening. One man told me about a kind of conspiracy of hospitaling being paid to inflate the death numbers. You heard bill gates come up a number of times. The denialism ranged but universally they stuck with the president saying the country should be opened, at the minimum. I wanted to bring in jasmine, whos in london. Jasmine el gamal, about how the rest of the world sees these events. Because when trump holds a rally it is a worldwide event. The whole world watches these things. Jasmine, how do you think these events are seen outside the u. S. . Thanks, brian. One thing that truly struck me in watching these rallies and watching everything thats unfolding in the u. S. Is how different it feels watching it from the outside than actually being in it. And watching it from the outside, whether its myself or whether its anybody here in london or in other countries, it feels kind of surreal. It doesnt actually feel like youre watching the United States. This idea that everybody has of america, of the way american president s behave, of the way narratives unfold in the country, its been really shocking to see how its devolved over whether its the last few years or just the last few weeks in terms of what the president is saying, both two americans but also about americans. It kind of feels being here in london like i could be watching any other country, honestly. Thats whats so disturbing about it. I could be watching the president , whether its in venezuela, egypt or syria, the types of narratives are being used to kind of pit people against each other. I think its something we havent really seen before to this extent and its incredibly vivid watching it from the outside. And the reason thats so disturbing, i think, to me and to many others as well watching from the outside, is the types of narratives the president is using. Even his son, eric trump yesterday, called some of the protesters animals. The type let me read the quote. Heres the exact quote. Were going to keep the moral fabric of this country because when you watch the nonsense on tv, when you see these animals literally taking over our cities, burning down churches, this isnt america. Thats not what americans do. Hes using the word animals in relationship to some of the antiracist protests that have gone on. Of course, there was sporadic looting weeks ago. We saw that in a number of cities. I guess thats what hes talking about in this quote. But the use of the word animals, the dehumanization thats going on, i feel like that sounds you hear that differently than maybe even some folks in the United States do. I do. I hear it differently for a couple of reasons. Not least of all, i worked at the department of defense for eight years. And we our job was to kind of, whether it was at the pentagon or white house or state house, to look at other countries and monitor unrest and look at how, you know, leaders were speaking to their populations, what they were saying about their opponents but also how people are speaking about each other and what affect that had on the events that were unfolding. One of the things that, you know, time and time again that really aggravated the situation in any of these countries that we would look at, is the use of these dehumanizing terms like animal. You know, you could talk about looters in a number of different way. You could talk about protesters in a number of different ways. But when you say the word animal, it kind of creates this sort of space between the person and the opponent to where you dont even as human anymore and that makes you do things to them you would normally never do to your neighbor, to your coworker or even to your political opponent. Once you have that word animal in your head, once that dehumanization kind of sets in, thats when the really bad stuff starts to happen. I think so far weve always thought, especially i mean, as americans that we were kind of immune from that. That wasnt something that happened to us. But again, from the outside, i do see it now as something thats happening to the u. S. And i feel like its something i havent really seen before. Its really worrying, to be honest. We have to stay on guard when we see those authoritarian impulses. Real quick, is there another rally scheduled . Has trump announced another rally or is this for now . We dont know kind of whats next. We know this was billed as the restart of the campaign. Where he pivots to now is unknown. We know the president was looking for this weekend to lift his mood, particularly after several bad polls had come out with joe biden. I dont think the scene yesterday is going to do that. So, theres intense focus on the white house right now, what comes next and what does the president do next to give the life to his campaign that he was expecting this weekend to do. Thank you both. Up next here, Carl Bernstein on the president as the viewer in chief, reading tea leaves about his own presidency via the tv. Ways stop for a fingerstick. With the freestyle libre 14 day system, a continuous glucose monitor, you dont have to. With a painless, onesecond scan you can check your glucose with a smart phone or reader so you can stay in the moment. No matter where you are or what youre doing. Ask your doctor for a prescription for the freestyle libre 14 day system. You can do it without fingersticks. 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Lately hes been the viewer in chief. He just watches and reacts. And watches and reacts. Cnn reports that trump was watching cable yesterday watching to see massive lines in tulsa and he was disappointed when he saw the coverage in Southern District of new york and then he found out six Campaign Staffers in tulsa tested positive for covid. Trump initially dismissed that revelation. Then when the positive tests were reported in the media, trump erupted. Thats according to a source familiar with his reaction. I wanted to bring in the legendary Carl Bernstein. I remember a time not that long ago when a president s moods were not newsworthy, but now they are. Your reaction to this reporting that hes watching, hes erupting, the cycle repeats and repeats. I think the big underlying story about donald trump in many regards are what his moods, his closest advisers, his former chief of staff, his former National Security advisers, mcmaster, general kelly, secretary mattis, all concluded that hes unstable. That he aaccounts in an authoritarian way, his authoritarian impulses come into play, particularly as a result of his moods and its all one story. His mood, his physical health, which we dont know about either because of his visit to Walter Reed Hospital earlier in the year that has been covered up and why he went there, looking at the president s mental state, especially what his friends are seeing now. Theyre very concerned about his conduct. They say hes out of control. Some of those i talked to, thats their words, out of control. This is a danger to our security in this country if, indeed, the president is unstable. There are different examples on different fronts. Let me ask the control room to pull up a list we made this week. Its about a minute long. But the point is the length. This takes a while just to go through all the examples of unhinged or inaccurate comments from the president this week. Among many, he threatened the protesters ahead of the tulsa rally. He promised helping seattle, which doesnt need help. He said making juneteenth famous because no one had heard of it before. He didnt know the white house had put out an annual statement about the holiday. He said no one put tariffs on china. There were tariffs for centuries. He said bolton disagreed with the china travel restrictions but bolton wasnt in the white house anymore. He said coronavirus is dying out when its not. He claimed covid testing is overrated and a doubleedged sword because it makes us look bad. He said polls that make joe biden winning are suppression polls. He was so troubled by critics that made fun of his walking that he defended his walking at length. You can see the rest of the list there. How is the press supposed to convey all of this when you can barely read the size of the font and it takes time to get through all the falsehoods that came up in a week. I think we have to point out the falsehoods but i think theres a different story underneath all this. That is the president s words and actions. We need to get through the room with him. We need to get as reporters to his chiefs of staff and those he serves with, who serve with him and lets get their accounts of whats really going on with this president of the United States. That is the reporting with he need to do. We need to understand why he is acting the way he does in the view of those who is closest to him. We also very much need to look at these autocratic, authoritarian measures that right now are front and center of all of us, including the firing of the Southern District of new york u. S. Attorney, including the firing of inspector generals and all of this goes in part to his moods, according to those who are around him. So, we have a big story to do, which really is classic reporting. And staying on coronavirus, back in march cbs correspondent who was born in china, chineseamerican, she said a white house official described the coronavirus to her as kung flu, a racist term. They said kung flu to her face. She never revealed who at the white house said this to her. A lot of conservatives said she made it up or suggested she made it up. Last night at the rally trump himself used the term, a racist term at the rally. It makes me wonder if the president was the white house official who said this to her. She never revealed it. That kind of behavior, using a racist term, i feel like that would be a lead story for three days in any other presidency. I just want us to recognize how unusual this environment is that that kind of racist behavior just barely gets noticed the next day. It was noticed by jake tapper on his program but not to the degree it should. I think we do recognize his racist behavior and the story of his racism. I think that it has been on our air at cnn. I think it has been on the front page of most of the papers in this country and on their websites. It is one of the big issues of this campaign and the president s obvious racism, demonstrable, fact in terms of his actions, fact in terms of the way he refused to rent to black people in the apartments that he owned and the Justice Department had to come in. Piz history of racism. His bringing up the birther question with obama. Its all out there in our reporting. Im not sure i agree that were ignoring that story. I think its very much one of the great issues in this campaign. It might even decide the collection in some way. But we need to keep reporting on it. And particularly his use of dog whistles and trying to foment actual racial conflict as we saw in his remarks this weekend. Carl, thank you very much. Great to have you on the program. I want to take a quick break and then tell everybody about the trump campaign, remember last week, it sent cnn that threatening letter about joe biden leading trump in the poll. You will never believe which media outlet is now reporting the exact same thing. Your bank can be virtually any place you are. You can deposit checks from here. And you can see your transactions and check your balance from here. And pay bills from here. Because your bank isnt just one place. Its virtually any place you are. Just download and use the chase mobile app. Visit chase. Com mobile. I geh. Common bird. E. Ooh look over here something much better. There it is. Peacock, included with xfinity x1. Remarkable. Fascinating. Very. It streams tons of your favorite shows and movies, plus the latest in sports news and. 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Foxs poll findings were right in line with cnns the week before. They included interview with 1,343 randomly registered voters nationwide which mirrors cnns poll. This is how scientific polls have worked for decades. Trump goes out to his events and calls polls suppression polls. He tries to deny the negative news, tries to tell his fans not to believe anything they hear or read, even in this case from fox news and ends up spreading his ignorance to other people. Thats why we need Media Literacy how polls work, theyre not perfect, they are snapshots in time but they give us a sense of whats going on in the world, or in this case, whats going on in the country. And then this trolling video the president shared the other day on twitter. A cnn segment that was clearly fake. You can tell just by the photo shopping here. Its pretty elementary photoshopping. It was supposed to suggest that cnn makes up news and distorts the truth. Twitter decided to label this as manipulated media because some folks could still be fooled by it. We need Media Literacy so people dont get fooled by fake news. The father of these two toddlers fought a copyright claim and got the video taken down from facebook and twitter and denounced trump. Did you think it was funny . Not at all. No. I thought it was propaganda. I couldnt understand how someone would share Something Like that. In a world of president ial trolling, thats the world now, right, the president s a troll. Media literacy is even mores essential because he often tries to say hes joking, pretending, playing around, fun, sharing memes. Its important that people take them seriously, including the people in them, saying this is a propaganda. This isnt a joke. This is propaganda. Its an appropriate response from those fathers when youre a private person suddenly thrust into the public sphere and you need Media Literacy to know how to handle those moments. Lets talk more about this with anthony scaramucci, former, briefly White House Communications director. Now you look at the president at his rally in tulsa and you say theres going to be more rage, more anger between now and november. It sounds to me like youre just forecasting more of the same between now and election day. Is that right . You know, if you look at a diagram, brian, theres only one strategy left for him and thats to propel the rage and anger and try to split the society and see if he can have a tribal leadership win here. Hes got to get that base turning out in exponential levels to where it was in 2016, otherwise hes going to get annihilated. So, you know the polls are accurate. I know the polls are accurate. There were several Disgusting Things he did last night. The one that upset me the most is with representative omar. I dont know what hes saying. Hes talking about her wanting to run the country like somalia. That is a racist, nativist trope propelled in society for 150 years. Hes saying he doesnt want to test people because if you test people, then the numbers go up. But yet were getting more and more numbers. If you look at the flatlining that happened in europe or other places around the world, its a direct result of the testing and Contact Tracing and quarantining. What has happened is the rap has gotten fatiguing. People tire of it. They also dont want to get sick so they dont want to show up at these places and get themselves or families hurt or loved ones. Hes going to have a very hard time coming into the fall. Last point, theres a wonderful mosaic of americans that are coming together and binding together to beat him. So, that will happen, but, you know, people need to stay vigilant because hes a tough turkey and, you know, hes a fullblown racist and hes going to pull every racist trope from now until november. Im sure hes going to love you saying hes a tough turkey. Its a memorable phrase. You talked about ilhan omar, whose father passed away from covids complications. You would think on fathers day weekend that the president would refrain from attacking a woman whose dad just died. Instead, he leaned right into it. I guess it just goes to show, there is nobody in the room where it happens to try to help him avoid those kind of mistakes and errors and just hateful things. He attacks suburban housewives. Come on, the guy doesnt care who he attacks. His heart is like solid, icy rock. And, by the way, you know, he was going after those women, the squad, if you call them that, last summer. I was like, okay, that is enough, okay. My italianamerican grandmother heard that nonsense go back to the country that you originally came from 150 years ago and i told my italianamerican friends im not going to disavow my personal life history or my personal integrity to support that nonsense. It is enough. And so whats going to happen, brian, is theres 5 to 7 of those republicans, thats why we started the right side pac, thats why were working with the lincoln project. Were going to peel 5 to 7 of those republicans like you would an orange, peel them right off, to make sure he loses in november. Were going to go into those white ethnic areas and explain to why people he is a systemic danger to their society. We can rebuild the economy, regrow the system and we can make the system fairer and more inclusive for people. When we do that, and more and more people feel aspirational about their society, well all do better. Theres an opportunity right now to rebuild, renew and regrow america, but its not with this man. Weve got to get him out of office. We will end up doing that. All hes got to do is keep talking, brian. The more he keeps talking, the more ads can be clipped to explain what hes doing to the mosaic and the wonderful colors of america. Anthony, thank you for coming on. Happy fathers day. Happy fathers day to you, too. Good to be here. Quick break. Then the john bolton book headlines you might have missed. Plus a key page of the book that my next guest can confirm is true. It is about killing journalists. I do motivational speaking in addition to the substitute teaching. I honestly feel that thats my calling to give back to younger people. I think most adults will start realizing that they dont recall things as quickly as they used to or they dont remember things as vividly as they once did. Ive been taking prevagen for about three years now. People say to me periodically, man, youve got a memory like an elephant. Its really, really helped me tremendously. Prevagen. Healthier brain. Better life. However, there is one thing you can be certain of. The men and women of the United States postal service. 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Mcmaster and untitled new work by bob woodward coming in september. But right now the top selling book in the country is the room where it happened, john boltons disturbing account of the trump white house. This is one of the great things about america. You know, the former adviser can go out, write a book, can get it published despite the trump Justice Departments attempts to stop him. He can tell his own story. You know, its been an interesting back and forth now for months about whether theres classified material in this book, whether it should be published. Bolton was able to fight back against the dojs attempt to stop it from being published, winning round one in court. But there will be more rounds to come and bolton may end up having to forego the profits from the book. You have to wonder if the entire lawsuit was really about intimidation, about warning future wouldbe authors not to write a book about trump, not to speak out about trump because otherwise, you know, it seemed this lawsuit was not going to succeed in its initial attempt to block the book from being published. So, simon and shuster is the publisher of this book. The ceo jonathan carp said they believe it was to shield the administration. He said this was not about National Security interests. It was about trumps ego. Full disclosure, i also have a forthcoming book coming out from Simon Schuster called hoax. Right now well talk about boltons book. Theres a weeks worth of news in this one book. Lets bring in guy snodgrass, retired Army Fighter Pilot and was speechwriter to secretary mattis and he wrote the book holding the line inside trumps pentagon with secretary mattis. You heard my theory about what this lawsuit is about. Its about intimidation. I think the initial salvo is about intimidation. If youre this administration and you want to keep a lid on this story, thats probably the worst way to do it. I think thats what rocketed ambassador boltons book to the top of the best seller list. It called undo attention to it and splashed across headlines of the world. Its the number one book on fa afar on amazon and its not even out until tuesday. It describes a meeting the president had at bedminster with others. Trump complained about leaks saying cnn reported about the meeting at bedminster. He said these people should be executed p they are scumbags, trump said, according to boltons account. Then he observed the news was out, blah, blah, blah. It said this looked at Justice Department arrest reporters, force them to serve time in jail and then demand they disclose their sources. Only then, bolton says, then the leaks would stop. So, this is the president fantasizing about both jailing reporters and also, according to bolton, having them killed. Did you ever hear the president talk like that when you were in these rooms when it happened . I did. Thats one of the reasons why i simply sent a message out a few days ago saying, hey, that part certainly aligns with reality. There have been a number of us in this administration who have heard the president firsthand say such things. In my case it was the very first time President Trump came to the pentagon for a briefing with secretaries mattis, then secretary of state Rex Tillerson and economic adviser gary cohen. It was all about the experience of allies and partners around the world. We get maybe ten minutes into the president s portion to speak and he goes completely off the rails and wants to talk about a story in the Washington Post he didnt agree with, how that reporter should be thrown in jail. As he does this tenminute tirade, what he ultimately ends at the end saying, in the good old days, if you had a traitor, you would line them up in the street and have them shot. Whether its in the public eye or in the private meeting, you know, that kind of language, of course, is not something you want to hear your commander in chief saying about freedom of the press and about the members of the press who are seeking to inform the american public. I think you present a way forward when trump claims these books are full of lies, one way is to talk to others and see if they can account for similar comments. In this case you can. Guy, thank you very much for coming on. You bet. Thanks, brian. His book is called holding the line. For the latest on the book lunch tuesday, sign up for our nightly newsletter, cnn. Com it reliable. A trump shakeup. Whats going on there . Well talk with one of the people that was fired this week in just a moment. 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Safe drivers do save 40 . Click or call for a quote today. The u. S. Agency for global media spreads americas values around the world. It is a federallyfunded Group Overseeing a network of these entities. You can see them on screen. Radio free asia, the open Technology Fund and the global and News Organization called voice of america. Trump allies like steve bannon have been trying to take control of voa and other parts of the agency like Radio Free Europe ever since inauguration day. This has been going on for years, but the senate slowrolled the white house and not until earlier this month did michael pac get confirmed as the new trumpappointed ceo of the agency. Well, now heads have rolled and trump loyalists are taking the place of some of the ousted organization heads. One of the many people ousted in recent days is karen, joining me now to talk more about this along with Washington Post reporter Sarah Ellison who has been all over this story. Karen, tell us briefly, why should viewers care about what happens at usagf . Make no mistake, brian, what happened wednesday night is a win for americas adversaries. The ceos were fired were racking up big wins against china, russia, iran, north korea. For instance, they had a 24 7 russian language Global Digital and Broadcasting Network that was broadcasting to russians what was really happening. This is really concerning. And, you know, as youve covered, the disinformation battle has come home. When voice of america and these other entities were created, they were created to fight fascism and communism overseas. Whats concerning is that instead of voice of america we could wind up with voice of bannon, some kind of propaganda entity that is muddying up the information debate here in the u. S. As well. Sarah, do you do you say that thats an accurate assessment of whats going on . You know, i would think that any any administration when it gets to take over, its going to appoint its own people. So is this really that different . Well, yes. In the sense that new people take over and they can appoint who they want, but if you look at the language that michael pac and his and his deputies have used in the few days that theyve been in office, this is now really an agency at war with itself. Attacking and denigrating the previous the previous leadership. And that kind of antipathy and that kind of sort of war on these institutions is just sort of part and parcel of a certain brand of trumpism. And so i think that this is definitely different than just a normal change changeover in power. Yeah. What is expected to happen next . Do we have a sense . Well, i think that what youll see, i mean, one of the things Amanda Bennett and all these other very wellrespected people have left the agency. I think youll expect to see more departures and more, you know, sort of more conflict within the agency, and i think that the most difficult thing is that for the people who are there trying to do their jobs, this kind of turnover is really distracting and undermining. Right. So i think what youll see is a lot of it is out of our view because much of what voa does is international. Right. And thats one of the things thats most concerning about it. Yeah, karen, the danger is you dont want people i think we might have just lost karen, actually, unfortunately. But, sarah, the problem is you dont want people around the world to view this as a propaganda machine. In fact, they have to fight against that perception already. If this becomes a protrump propaganda machine, its going to prove its detractors right. And one of the things weve talked about a lot is how much donald trump is very obsessed with the media. To have this idea that there is a taxpayerfunded but completely independent News Organization, which is what the agency is supposed to be yeah. To see that not as the ministry of information is very important. And so these early changes dont give people a lot of confidence that thats the case. Right. Thats the issue. Dont let it be the administration of misinformation. Sarah, thank you. Karen, im sorry we ran out of time and lost your shot. Wed love to have you back in the future. By the way, we did ask michael pac for an interview, but he did not respond. Before you go, make sure to sign up to a brandnew podcast on cnn. Don lemon hosts silence is not an option. Its a remarkable podcast. Well see you right here next week. When you think of a bank, you think of people in a place. But when you have the chase mobile app, your bank can be virtually any place. So, when you get a check. You can deposit it from here. And you can see your transactions and check your balance from here. 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