Much about the trial . Were going to go live to pittsburgh and des moines for more on that. Fox versus facts. Were going to look at how fox news prime time is covering or not covering the trial and why that matters so much. First avoiding questions by attacking the messenger. The senate trial of President Trump is continuing and trumps stonewalling is continuing to. Secretary of state mike pompeo knows a lot about the ukraine scheme, so hes exactly the kind of trump official whose testimony might be valuable in the coming days. And, of course, in the coming days well find out if any new witnesses will be called at the trial. In the meantime reporters are the ones gathering new information about who knew what when and why. Pompeos hostility towards the press has reached a new high or low. It was in this interview with npr. Now he was trying to dodge questions about ukraine during this interview with host Mary Louise Kelly. She politely kept asking the questions and then after the interview, she says she was basically chastised by pompeo. He ripped into her and insulted her intelligence. Now in a statement, hes calling her a liar. The truth is, that kelly has a lot of credibility and pompeo does not. This has become a story with President Trump weighing in right now, Retweeting Fox asking why does npr still exist . We will answer that question a little later this hour. We have susan, john and oliver standing by with analysis about this story. First, let me tell you about pompeo, the pan who is supposed to be a promoter of press freedom around the world, instead, hes trafficking in put downs. Secretary of state mike pompeo has a history of hostility toward members of the news media. You know, i agreed to come on your show to talk about iran. Reporter his treatment of Nprs Mary Louise kelly is just the latest in a pattern that has alarmed free press advocates. I confirmed with your staff i would talk about iran and ukraine. She says pompeo shouted and cursed at her after the interview. He asked, do you think Americans Care about ukraine . He used the f word in that sentence and many others. Reporter other reporters have experienced similar eruptions in the past. Mike pompeo has been uniquely hostile. Reporter garret graph noticed the pattern. He most seems to bristle, gets angriest and condescending in interviews with female journalists. The npr interview was taped on friday. Good to see you. Good to be with you. Thanks for having me on the show. His courtesies turned to condensation when kelly asked pertinent questions about ukraine. Do you owe ambassador Marie Yovanovitch an apology . You know, i agreed to come on your show to talk about iran and thats what i intend to do. I know what our ukraine policy has been now for three years of this administration and im proud of the work weve done. I confirmed with your staff last night that i would talk about iran and ukraine. Pompeo went on to criticize kelly for using unnamed sources even though kelly was actually quoting public testimony. I just want to give you another opportunity to answer this. People who work for you in you are why department, people who have resigned from this department under your leadership, saying you should stand up for the diplomats who work here. I dont know who these unnamed sources are youre referring to. These are not unnamed sources. This is your Senior Adviser michael mckinley. Thats right. He did testify that under oath. Im not going to comment on things mr. Mckinley may have said. Ill say only this, i have defended every state department official. But what about yovanovitch . Respectfully, where have you defended Marie Yovanovitch . Ive defended every Single Person on this team, done whats right for every person on this team. Can you point me towards your remarks . Ive said all im going to say today. Reporter according to kelly a state Department Aide stopped the interview and after pompeo left the room the aide brought her to the secretarys private quarters and pompeo unleashed a profanity laced tirade. Kelly who has a masters degree in European Studies said pompeo questioned her intelligence asking if she could find ukraine on a map. He called for his aides to bring out a world map. I pointed to ukraine. He put the map away. Reporter reporters expressed shock about how kelly was treated but some were not surprised, for they have been on the receiving end in the past. One veteran d. C. Reporter told cnn of being, quote, chewed out by pompeo, of being accused of hating donald trump and towing the Democratic Party line. Pompeo sometimes levels that charge in person on camera. Last october he attacked the credibility of National Reporter nancy emonds. Sounds like youre working at least in part for the Democratic National committee. Reporter he hit back at judy wood druf the same way. You know theres been no proof of any misdoing on the part of Vice President biden you all keep remeeting that line as if youre working for the dnc. Im not working for the dnc. Im an independent journalist. Reporter after the latest blowup pompeo claimed kelly agreed to have our post interview conversation off the record. Kelly says thats not true and npr backs her up. Kelly said the secretary had a parting message for her. He said, people will hear about this. Thats true. People are hearing about it. With me to discuss all this and more cnns senior political analyst john avalon, oliver darcy and in washington staff writer for the new yorker susan glasser. You were out to dinner with her on friday night. Tell us what shes thinking about this weekend . Well, look, brian, i think your report was very strong and, you know, this is someone ive known for three decades since we worked on the College Newspaper together and i have to tell you, she is a journalist of unimpeachable integrity. You know, i was thinking, imagine, its sunday morning, the secretary of state of the United States is misrepresenting you, is attacking you, is slandering your professional integrity, and theres just nothing to support it. Pompeo is out there tweeting again today, but the bottom line is that his statement is simply malicious and attacking a journalist. He does not deny the account that Mary Louise Kelly offered of his profanity laced tie raid and the reason he doesnt because thats what occurred. In the end, it strikes me that this is veriy consistent with te character and personality with mike pompeo. I spent six months working on him for a profile for the new yorker, he has a hair trigger temper a long history of berating journalists including privately swearing at them, previous in offtherecord conversations. Thats high you didnt hear about it until now. Again, the most striking thing about him in the administration is that he is perhaps the most that is not my word, the word of a senior white house official who observed him interacting with trump President Trump. He is someone aiming at an audience of one with his Public Performance around trolling the media and i do think that is a dynamic of whats happening here and the other thing i would you to is the fact that he really became unhinged when she asked about ukraine and his failure to defend a career ambassador who was smeared and removed from her job because of false rumors that made their way into the oval office of the United States. Its really all about trump and ukraine, and a secretary of state who has a hair trigger, outofcontrol temper and long history of attacking journalists and lying about it. Hes calling the media unhinged, hes acting unhinged and in the big picture why does this matter in the grand scheme of things . Is this just President Trumps behavior trickling down throughout the government . It comes from the top and people adopted the president s behavior. Thats certainly true. I think its more sinister than that. We shouldnt just accept the idea that our elected officials, we pay, lie as matter of course, evade as a matter of course. Look, hes engaging in what the president does, deflect and project. He calls mary louise unhinged. Listen to the tape, the interview itself, shes the opposite. Its a master class in trying to handle someone trying to gas light you. He says, ive been very clear about our policy. Well, no, you havent, but its said in that tone two plus two equals five why cant you accept that. The goal, our responsibility is to say no, two plus two does not equal five, the facts do not add up. When he tries to push back on her and accuse her of being unhinged, evade basic facts ive defended every single one when thats not so, dismisses, when he says an unnamed source and she brings up mckinley, its the job to push back on those facts. Thats sad but true. Sad but true. Npr ceo spoke saying we will not be intimidated by this behavior and the president is tweeting now about npr and we can put that tweet on the screen asking mark levins question, why does npr exist. The short answer is npr, the national organization, only receives a small amount of federal funding. Mostly through grants. It is local stations that sometimes need that federal support to stay on the air, but npr as a whole doesnt get a lot of taxpayer money. But the president either doesnt know that or doesnt care. Its not about that for him. He likes to save space for fox news. Thats what he wants Administration Officials to go on and not really get these hard questions that pompeo got. Pompeo really seemed to be almost you could say triggered by this question. He lashes out, he says he end the interview and then lashes out at the reporter afterwards. If anyone was upset, its because the question was difficult. Also, pompeo is someone who has to put a serious face on this administrations policies and i imagine at some point it becomes difficult for him and he gets frustrated because hes tasked effectively with defending the indefensible and theres no good way to do that other than lashing out at reporters and thats what the president does. It does all come back to impeachment. These questions are about impeachment. Well, but theyre also about things in his wheel house. Ollier has a point. There are people trying to serve the country and they get frustrated theyre asked to explain the president s incoherent behavior. That doesnt mean you can simply lie and evade. Part of it is the fox effect. Its made them flabby, snowflakes. Used to softball interviews and expect them and when they get somebody asking clear, fair minded questions they are offended and unnerved and lash out and lie. Facts versus feelings in the impeachment trial. Is that whats going on here . There are a lot of facts being put on the table, pretty damming facts against the president and were seeing from the president s supporters are some pretty emotional feelings, right, cursing at a reporter or claiming its all a hoax . Well, look, increasingly i think weve seen that, you know, on capitol hill you had the incident with the senator attacking cnns manu raj you saying youre a liberal hack and fund raising off it afterwards. I think the nature of that incident is less serious than this unbelievable attack by the secretary of state on the credibility of a journalist in writing on official stationary. Another point about that, by the way, the secretary of states statement continues to have two different lies about this interview and he actually accuses her of misrepresenting the interview, absolutely untrue. She has written confirmation from his aids and asked him 11 questions about iran before she went on to ukraine as she told his aides. Again, this lying, you have to remember mike pompeo comes from capitol hill and the exact place where theyre doing this impeachment. If you saw the House Republicans and how they responded, devin nunes and mark meadows, then you understand mike pompeo. He was a member of the house and very much in keeping with that style. The reason theyre not talking about the facts in impeachment and i spent all week sitting in the Senate Gallery listening to it, because the facts are not on their side. The facts are i want to hear more about that experience in the gallery after a quick break here. Coming up we have exclusive data showing how many people are watching trumps trial and see how fox news is reshaping, distorting the historic process. A story you wont hear anywhere else, next. Have you ever wondered what the motorcade driver drives, when theyre not in the motorcade . [ car engine revving ] this one drives a volkswagen passat. Breathe freely fast, with vicks sinex. My congestions gone. I can breathe again ahhhh i can breathe again ughh. Vicks sinex, breathe on i thought i was managing my moderate to severe Crohns Disease. Then i realized something was missing. Me. My symptoms were keeping me from being there. 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Theyre all examples of the protrump media universe operating in a closed loop, downplague or denying trumps wrong doing while amplifying the defenses. Back is john, oliver and susan. You study this right wing ecosystem for a living. It seems the wall is just getting stronger and stronger, the fox firewall is holding very strongly. And theyre trying to inoculate their audience from the arguments from the democrats. Theyre used to hearing tucker and sean giving them comfort food and this week in prime time the one opportunity perhaps that these the audience would see these arguments made by someone like adam schiff they didnt get to see it because they were inoculated by the audience in prime time. The afternoon hearings, trial coverage, was shown live on fox news, but then fox would cut away in the afternoon when they had the news anchors on supposedly, right, they brought out andy mccarthy, not judge napolitano at fox news who happens to be critical of the president s position and wrote this week that theres enough evidence to support his removal. They did not bring him on. They brought on andy mccarthy, sympathetic to trumps case, and if you look even further, Martha Mccallum this week, a top news anchor at fox, did a segment on Hunter Bidens paternity case, instead of airing the Senate Impeachment trial. Bret baier had on this week Peter Schweizer who has pushed theories about Hillary Clinton and joe biden on to pre moat his new book. Its not just the fox news opinion hosts who are skewing the news towards trump, its also the fox news, you know, anchors, the people that boast about they give it to you straight who are happening to skew the news towards trump. Theyre tilting the Playing Field in that way. 100 . You mentioned judge napolitano his column for fox news. Com was shared by nancy pelosi, like shared by the top democrat, because she agrees with that perspective. You were greig agreeing about the point of napolitano. Dissent is seen as dislocality. You get benched. The business line is play to the base. That necessarily means ignoring evidence. It means ignoring the democrats case. Talking over it, turning the sound off, and having analysts talk over it in addition to simply wiping the slate clean and doing attacks in prime time. The bigger challenge this ends up seeping up to the senate and where we have a real challenge for our republic right now. Can we agree on basic snaktfact . Can we reason together at the level of the senate. Theyre afraid of losing a primary, being attacked by the president , that fear is motivating a lot of their decisions to try to avoid uncomfortable facts. Thats incredibly dangerous for a democracy but happening right now. Chuck schumer called this out at a press conference aired live on fox news. Lets look at that. It may have been the first time that many of my republican colleagues heard the full story, the complete narrative from start to finish, uninterrupted and not filtered through the kaleidoscope lens of fox news where, at best, things are left out and at worse, things are distorted. I think Schumers Office enjoyed that was aired live on fox, but the question is whether it matters the republican senators did hear this full accounting from the democrats that they werent hearing from Sean Hannitys show, for example. Did you see evidence, when sitting in the chamber, that this mattered to the republican senators . You know, brian, the senate chaplin, i came to enjoy each day he would sort of open his remarks with a kind of a relevant homily and said listen, the trick for senators, and i pray for you, that you will not just listen, but that you will hear and i did see listening on both sides of the aisle. There are some very diligent note takers among the republicans, especially susan collins, the swing vote from maine, i dont know how much hearing, and, in fact, you know, the congressional reporters by the end of the week were suggesting that even a vote for witnesses looks possibly even more remote at the end of the week than it did at the beginning of the week. However, there was senator kennedy from louisiana, a republican, he also agreed essentially with Chuck Schumer this may be the first time some of his colleagues were really paying attention because they were being forced to pay attention. Heres what i would say. It is very difficult to watch this and i watch basically every minute of it and the reason why is that it doesnt feel like its on the level. You have a situation where almost everyone, democrats and republicans have essentially made up their mind. How are we to write and think about a process where 24 hours of arguments over three days by the house democrats, to an audience that essentially, on both sides, is largely unmoved by them, its a very painful thing for our democracy i think to watch this. Number one, i would say the second week of the trial, is going to be more interesting and news in many ways because thats where well see number one, the senators were moved, because theyll have questions they will submit and that will give us an indication of whether they were actually listening and hearing. Number two, there is this crucial vote is and, you know, we have a convention of wisdom right now, but things happen in washington and remember, theres an extraordinary amount of evidence that exists that has not yet come out. Is any of that possibly going to come out in the few days before we hear the senators being forced to finally put their names and their reputations behind this vote. So its not over yet. And i think its going to be crucial for history, regardless of what happens, this is the third i am in our republic this has happened, so fox news can ignore it, but history isnt going to ignore what happened here this week. Look what we found out last night, lev parnas attorney saying lev parnas has more tapes of President Trump, like you said, the evidence may be all around but not in front of the senators. John, you referred on new day to a slow boil of disinformation and i think thats what were seeing in the trial. Were going to see that against biden. The Disinformation Campaign to tarnish biden . That appears to be the case. And covering that becomes very tricky because the entire purpose of getting having a foreign power dig up dirt is to weaken him as a president i president ial candidate between the two potential candidates. Look, the real danger is, and i think heres where we shouldnt say, senators cant simply submit and agree to this kind of selfcastration of congress when it comes to separate and equal powers. Selfconstration. Thats what happens here. They say were going to vote for partisan purposes to allow a president to withhold information under an impeachment inquiry, that is saying, were going to cut off our nose to spite our face because of partisan loyalty and were afraid of the president in power. How many will rise to the level and say were independents of our branch and our integrity matters. Were going to be judged by our children and grandchildren. Its not about whether you hit a twothirds margin. To say no witnesses for the first time in u. S. History thats an admission that youre not interested in evidence and facts and frightened for them. Thats what the next few days are about. Thats right. Thank you, everybody. Lets head to the capitol next. Melanie is there. I want to ask her about what its been like only with a pen and pad, weve had to use sketch artists to know whats going on inside the senate. Melanie has details in a moment. If you have moderate to severe psoriasis, Little Things can be a big deal. Thats why theres otezla. Otezla is not a cream. Its a pill that treats plaque psoriasis differently. With otezla, 75 clearer skin is achievable. Dont use if youre allergic to otezla. It may cause severe diarrhea, nausea, or vomiting. Otezla is associated with. An increased risk of depression. Tell your doctor if you have a history of depression or suicidal thoughts or if these feelings develop. Some people taking otezla reported weight loss. 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We are not seeing the full picture so reporters are taking notes the oldfashioned way, telling us whats happening inside the chamber and sketch artists are helping as well rendering their own read on the gallery. Catching some misbehavior once in a while by some of the lawmakers, these images, these reporters sending in their notes is all we have to know whats going on when the cameras are not on. Lets talk about that with politico reporter and the newsletter author of the huddle news letter melanie. Youve been in there every day like a lot of capitol hill reporters. What stands out to you the most. Honestly its been a little bit like jane goodall in the wild observing creatures in their natural habitat. Weve been watching the senators every move, what theyre drinking, eating, who theyre interacting with, when dozing off. Most importantly were hatching how theyre reacting to the trial in real time. A perfect example when adam schiff read a quote saying republicans would have their head on a pike if they voted against trump and there was a reaction inside the room. Some republicans were shaking their heads, others mouthing thats not true and these are the important insights and valuable moments we otherwise wouldnt have seen because the cameras are not picking them up. Leader Mitch Mcconnell controls the cameras, the news outlets have not been allowed to bring in their own television and still cameras. So as a result, what are these restrictions causing day by day, a lot of worries about reporters kept in roped off areas, is it as bad as we feared . It is, brian. It has been quite a challenge for us. Just so your viewers understand, some of our best news gathering and source building comes with being able to walk and talk freely with members throughout the capitol and sometimes that requires running after members who dont want to talk to us and asking them the tough questions. But because were stuck in these roped off areas, only senators who want to talk to us are coming over to us. So we cant do our job, a critical component of that is asking questions to senators and especially to those members who dont want to talk to us. And the reality is, a lot are avoiding questions because they dont have good answers, right . Theyre afraid to admit where they stand on these issues . Exactly. Especially some of those senators who are up for reelection in tough races like martha mcsally, the exchange she had with manu raju. There are some willing to talk to us including some of the president s top allies like Lindsey Graham and mark meadows. There are some willing to talk to us. Thank you so much. Best of luck in the days ahead. Thank you. How much do Americans Care . How many are watching the trial . I have brand new data to show you about that. Plus two reporters far outside washington, they have unique perspectives and theyre just a few minutes away. 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The numbers are way higher. According to nielsen, on the first day of the trial when they were debating the rules 50. 7 Million People, at least saw a little bit of the coverage on day one. Thats across nbc and abc and cbs and cnn and msnbc and fox news. 50 million saw some of the coverage. Those numbers are probably going to decline as the week goes on. The numbers arent in yet. Theyre probably going to decline because theres less interest as the trial goes on. Dont let the trump surrogates mislead you. Lets talk about this and some brand new polling with a columnist liz in iowa the author of god land, a story of faith and loss and renewal in middle reporter and reporter for the Washington Examiner salena. Welcome to you both. Salena, your book called the great revolve inside the populist coalition reshaping american politics. I wanted to ask you about a brand new fox news poll out in a couple hours ago, half of americans, 50 are in favor of convicting and removing President Trump. This is the third poll in the past week or so showing 50 or higher approval for removing President Trump. What does that mean to you, salena . I think we need to, you know, take a look at what are driving people to that conclusion. Are they hyper partisan. Is this really important to them . Or are they just marginally paying attention. I also think that that poll reflects exactly where we are in this country, right. Yes, it does. Were pretty much split down the middle and half of the people dont like trump, half of the people do like trump, and even within the people that voted for trump, they dont always particularly like his comportment but they do like his policies. Its incredibly sort of complicated relationship that we have with american politics right now. I think that reflects it. Yeah. Absolutely. This is the data for independents. Again, split down the middle. Nobody is moving. Not a single mind seems to be changing. Is that an exaggeration . Whats your impression . I think people are extremely frustrated by this whole impeachment process, whether you are against the president or whether you really want impeachment to happen for the president. People are just frustrated by whats happening in america. I think they feel really, really overwhelmed, so this doesnt surprise me. But also, i mean i think historically, with the last impeachment process, you saw as it happened a lot of the country divided along partisan lines. It wasnt until later after the nixon impeachment or the clinton impeachment when you actually saw people moving and changing their minds. This idea that were so divided, we are, but that we should be determining our policies or our politics based upon popular opinion is a little spurious, especially since in the past couple impeachment processes minds changed afterwards. How do you think people are consuming the trial, liz . My impression most americans are not watching for hours at a time, watching little bits when they can and reading about it on the phones and computers but soaking up the news, not watching it for hours at a time . I mean who can. We have jobs, we have lives, we have children. Weve got to get to the doctor. People are consuming it however they can. I dont think there is a news story out there that people are more aware of. Like theres no other news story right now thats more top of mind. I would say it dominates even more than the caucuses and i say that from here in iowa where we live, breathe and eat caucus right now. It is top of mind. People are busy. Its hard to understand whats going on. Like its my job to understand whats happening with the impeachment and im still a little confused. I think thats the point. I think thats what republicans are counting on, that if they can make this long and arduous and, you know, withhold access from the media, that people will tune out and then those republican senators can justify their votes by saying oh, look, people dont care, which is, again, i think morally reprehensible. You had said to one of my producers in a preinterview that you find when youre out interviewing voters a lot dont want to give their name anymore because they dont want to be quoted talking about politics because its gotten so ugly. I wonder if that relates to what liz is saying about impeachment . Yeah. I think so. I think people are more cautious nowadays. More and more exposure there is for social media, through facebook, through television, theyre more reluctant to give their name because they dont know how thats going to impact their lives. I dont just mean someone that supports trump. Who you support across the board. There is definitely a growing reluctance to give out your information. You dont know if its going to impact your job, family life or if you own a company, if it impacts your business. Im concerned that that becomes a trend and i dont think thats really a good idea. I do think that people are talking a lot about the coronovirus. Ive found a lot of people very concerned about that as well as sort of its like neck and neck when you talk to people out there and you listen to what their concerns are. Theyre also concerned about weight going to happen with that. Im so glad you said that. Our next segment is about the coronovirus and whether can trust the information that were getting from china. Liz, salena, great to see you. After the break, i just told you, were talking about three stories you might have missed in the past week including the latest from china. I thought i was managing my moderate to severe Crohns Disease. Then i realized something was missing. Me. 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China tightly controls news outlets an squeezes out independent coverage. The New York Times quoted a former chinese reporter calling the situation a naked information monopoly. With a new virus comes new fears about how information is being controlled and also, new sets of viral lies. Those are happening in the United States and around the world. These hoaxes and hysterical made up stories meant to squacare people. Misinformation about the coronovirus has particularly taken root in facebook groups for antivaccine advocates. Thats according to politico fact. Oliver is back with me. Youve written an report a lot about how facebook and other platforms handle misinformation. This is of the medical variety. What is facebook doing . Facebook is removing or Fact Checking a lot of these viral hoaxes that are spreading on the platform. Brian, you know i looked in the Washington Post website on friday, i believe and the top two most read stories, one about impeachment and the other one was about the coronovirus, which shows theres high interest in this. Any time you have high interest in the story there comes misinformation, Disinformation Campaigns, people trying to but also pred hoaxes that support their point of view. You mentioned vaccines, there are people out there that spread this misinformation that the pharmaceutical companies spread the virus. Its obviously false, but they spread a lot on facebook. You tell us they need to help in Fact Checking and debunking the law. In snoeps and politifacts, face book is taking some action. Its something journalists should take a lot more in the days and weeks as this coronavirus continues to spread. Two other stories to mention i dont think should be overshadowed by the impeachment trial. One is in brazil, charges against a famous journal lift len greenwald, does anyone believe these are legitimate charges by the government . A press Freedoms Group came out swiftly. They were appalled. They condemned them. Obviously, the internet is standing by greenwald and he is saying this is basically for revenge exposing corruption in the government there. But were waiting to see what happens with these charges, but press room groups are appalled. Hopefully, hell get them dismissed. Greenwald has the trackers in the u. S. To support what he was doing in regards to the russia investigation. Everyone really is looking at this and they can see for what it is. Many people siding with greenwald on this, wondering if the charges will be dismissed. 14wald, too, he will stay down there and fight these charges. You can come back to the u. S. , try to leave. He said he is going to stay down there and fight these charges. He said he will go to jail if thats what it takes to expose corruption down there. Its an ongoing climate against journalists around the world. One other story that involves a newspaper owner, jeff bezos, there is incredible and confusing headlines about the saudis maybe having hacked his phone. What actually went on what do we know . So earlier this week, the bezos team hired these forensic analyst nos look at his phone. They concluded with meeting the high confidence i think that saudi arabia hacked into his phone and on friday the wall street journal reported that prosecutors in evidence that it was actual will i the girlfriend of jeff bezos, her brother who leaked these messages to the national enquirer. So i think point out both things could have been true, it could have been his girlfriends brother who leaked these texts to the national enquirer. It can be true that saudi arabia did breach his phone. We reported, obviously, back last year that it was the property who leaked these messages to the enquirer. Its worth pointing out that both of these things can be true at the exact same time. Unclear that the saudis, what they did with this information, that it reached this amount. Its a scary new world to think the publishers of major news outlets can be hacked by foreign governments. The saudi itself deny that thats a terrifying process. The public, too, bo zes has to hire more security. They have relationship with sources, government source, its, frankly, terrifying to think that state actors could be using their resources to break into their devices, its a reminder to be careful. A brick break on reliable source, when we come back, paying tribute to a legendary man. Tim leher died this week. He was back on this program more than a month ago. I had no idea he might be in poor health. I had wanted to talk to him, because in this turbulent time, he was a port in the storm. It bears the mark of his steady straight shooting reporting. As he said recently not too long ago in a speech, i want you to listen to lehrer in his own words why he is one of the fortunate ones. We really are the fortunate ones in the current tumultuous world of journalism right now. When we wake up in the morning, we only have to decide what the news is and how were going to could have it. We never have to decide who we are and why we are there. That is the way it has been for these nearly 45 years and thats the way it will be forever and for the news knowing who we are why we are here, such important attributes for journalists. Thank you to jim. Condolences to his family. A quick note here on reliable sources, tomorrow is the First Ever NationalNews Literacy week. We have a preview on this tweaks podcast. Its important to figure out how it can benefit people, especially in the midst of this impeach trial. We will see you back here next ti time. 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