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Its that big Climate Change report with dire new warnings, released by Trump Administration on friday. Of course, it seemed to be an example of a holiday news dump, sending out this report on a friday afternoon, when folks are shopping and spending time with family. Even though the report was originally supposed to couple out in december, it was moved up to thanksgiving weekend. Seemed like some funny business was going on. Still, most of the Major Networks cover the report in detail. Its been a big story on cable news, except for fox news. I want you to guess how many times fox news mentions that blockbuster report on friday. Fox news alert. The white house releasing a major climate report, concluding that Climate Change will do significant damage to the u. S. Economy. That was nine of the whole 30 seconds that fox news spent covering the report on friday. Let that sink in. Fox only mentioned the report once on television on friday. Now, obviously, the report countered the president s ridiculous claims about Climate Change. Fox decided to avoid all of that, though. The network actually spent more time talking about alexandria ocasiocortezs shoes on friday. More time on her shoes than on the Climate Change report. Now, to be fair, the networks newscast did air several segments about Climate Change, about the crisis, on saturday. But on the president s favorite talk shows, nada. Not a word. Instead of engaging in Climate Change denialism, they just ignored the problem altogether, which i would argue is another form of denialism. So what is fox emphasizing instead this weekend . This. The crisis on our southern border is growing more serious. We see these Migrant Caravans that want to come in, want to exploit our laws. Hundreds of criminals are traveling with one of the Migrant Caravans. That Migrant Caravan looming on the u. S. mexico border. Yes, the caravan is back those Central American migrants have been walking north for weeks, and now some of them are nearing the u. S. Border. President trump and his friends at fox exploited the migrants in the runup to midterms. You can see here how the caravan was covered a whole lot until election day, then dropped off, disappeared for a few days, and now it has made a comeback on fox. The networks protrump talk shows are portraying this as an urgent crisis and calling it, look at the battle henner here, battle for the southern border its a vivid example of how far two americas are living side by side. Were living in two different realities, supported by two different news worlds. In most of the countrys news media, this climate report is the big story. But over on fox, and on rightwing websites, its the caravan. So lets talk about bridging this information divide with Washington Post columnist, Karen Tumulty, Baltimore Sun David Zurawik and noah with the daily beast. Was the Trump Administration able to bury news about this dire Climate Change warning on friday . It didnt get totally buried if you went to the home pages of the New York Times and the new york post. It was the top story. We featured it as our top story. But i think it did kind of work. Look, anytime you put out news on a friday afternoon during black friday, its just not going to get the same kind of traffic it does, the same kind of attention it does in the middle of a regular news week. Let me turn from Climate Change to something that is related. Thats the devastating fires in california. You think about whats happened the last two and a half weeks since the fire in paradise, i think we can show on screen, the front page of the chico enterprise record from this morning, continuing to cover the story there in northern california. The death toll from the camp fire in and around paradise stands at 85. The newest information from the local Sheriffs Department is that 249 people are still unaccounted for. It has been 17 days since the fire and still 249 people are unaccounted for. David zurawik, to me this means its a bigger story every day. Every day this goes on, as the death toll rises, its a bigger story. And yet, people have mostly moved on, unfortunately, because theres bigger and hotter stories going on. But theres nothing more important than this story in california, given the number of missing there. Brian, i couldnt agree. Its an enormous story and its shocking in a way, the way it is underplayed. Now, sometimes when a story goes on this long, a kind of entropy sets in and that sometimes limits the coverage. But i think, again, it relates to the larger symptom of what were dealing with in News Coverage today, which is the way trump is still able to drive a lot of coverage. Look, even for Mainstream Media that are doing their job of journalism rather than the rightwing media, which is doing the job of Public Relations or pr for the white house. Even for these media, we have to cover the things that trump does. When he calls up the troops on thanksgiving and when he politicizes that in a way that its never been done, you have to cover that. You have to tell people lets look at an example of that. Lets look at an example of that. Because the call was covered, i think, really appropriately by most outlets. But look at this montage and notice how one of these things is not like the other. President trump unable to keep politics off the thanksgiving day table. We know how the president celebrated yesterday. He was on the phone. Trump unleashed. The president goes offscript. Way offscript. Okay, so David Zurawik, thats what i mean. Two americas, two news worlds. Cnn and others were emphasizing the outrageous nature of trumps political call, but on fox friends, its always going to be the president doing things for the troops. Expresses profound gratitude, that was the news headline on fox news. Com. But when we say two americas, its correct. Absolutely correct. But it suggests an equivalency that is really misleading. There arent two americas. The views that cnn and nbc news and cbs give america and the view that you get on fox. Theyre not equivalent. One is journalistic information. Its the institutions, the journalistic platforms best sense of whats true at that minute, and its intended to give citizens information they can use to make decisions about their life. The information on trumps platform, which was founded as a political platform by roger ailes, it was not founded as a journalistic institution, its to promulgate a point of view, an ideology. And now fox has found the great primetime personification of the current ideology that its selling in trump, who is very good on tv, but it will lie to defend that political position. And one of the lies that it tells now, without any facts, is that this caravan is filled with dangerous people and theyre going to storm the border. That lie is okay if youre a propagandaist or a pr person, because youre selling the brand, which is donald trump. We dont do that. So theyre not equal views. And citizens need to understand, we are trying to tell them facts and whats true, they are selling a you a political view, which will include lies if it serves their ends. Karen, you spent a long time in the Washington Post newsroom before moving over as a columnist. Do you think newsrooms at the post kind of fell for the caravan before election day . Because the coverage now, theres been a lot more scrutiny of what trump is trying to do with the caravan. I think that newsrooms, and particularly our newsroom, im proud of, because they are actually using this as an opportunity to sort of dig deeper into the forces that put people on this treacherous path of migration. For instance, we had a pretty groundbreaking story over the weekend of the degree to which people are sending their children in these caravans, in a way they never did before. So, you know, on the one hand, i think the sort of the alarmism is pretty much a function of cable news. But i think other media are actually using this as an opportunity to look at, you know, what is driving people to commit these absolutely desperate acts. Noah, whats your impression . My impression is, i mean, look, the whole thing is incredible. What you really see here is not just an ideological supporting of the president. What you really see here is the merging of a tv star and a tv network. And i think you saw over the weekend, you know, the other friday news dump was that, you know, bill shine, the former head of or one of the top guys at fox news, is still being paid by fox news, even as hes lets put that on screen. Not just being paid, but being paid millions of dollars. First obtained by cnbc. 7 million in bonuses after he was forced out of fox. 3. 5 million being paid to him this year while he works in the white house. Its incredible. Look, if someone like that did if someone on the cnn staff or the daly beast staff or the Washington Post staff, if there was some kind of arrangement like that, there would be howls from the conservative media, how dare you, you know, have this conflict of interest. But here it appears to be business as usual and it runs both ways, right . We had both hannity appearing as a guest at the president s rallies and youve got a former white house communication s director, hope hicks, now working for fox news. Theres this simbiosis. You said on twitter, its not a statesponsored network, its now a tvsponsored state. Like fox sponsors the government, thats your view. Yeah, it really is. And it feels like and theres this insane feedback loop where trump tweets something he saw on fox news, it will get amplified by fox and it will rile trump up and hell make government policy on it. Its nuts. Heres a part of what the guardian said, so he attacks the press and the broadcast media that raise questions about him that dont give him fidelity and loyalty. But the question, zurawik, a lot of conservatives saw this quote from clinton and said, shes attacking the press. Shes acting just like trump, its inappropriate. Do you see a similarity between her critiques and trumps critiques . Look, hillary clinton, i have to be honest, was no friend of the press. The clintons were no friends of the press. Most successful politicians are not friends of the press. And think of how her team went at the New York Times when they were reporting during the campaign. Hillary clinton is not a friend of the press and we shouldnt look for friends of the press in the political world, especially at that level. You know, nopeah is absolutely right about this thing with shine, its outrageous and we saw it really at its worst on the eve of the midterms, where hannity did that piece at the trump rally and shine was in the i would of it. Its outrageous. And this guy, brian, is now writing the rules for how White House Press correspondents should behave. Hes defining decorum. This guy who is named in several of those lawsuits, who is roger ailes righthand man. This is outrageous whats going on between fox and the trump white house. And yet it goes on. And noahs right. In a way, it becomes kind of normalized. We should be freaking out. Our heads should be exploding. Hes totally right. You just set up my next segment, which is about those socalled rule which is nobodys agreed to. Everybody, stick around. Well take a quick break here and come back with the latest on that lawsuit by cnn against the Trump Administration. Why the lawsuit has now been dropped and whats happening. Well get into that right after the break. Skin im craving something were missing. The ceramides in cerave. They help restore my natural barrier, so i can lock in moisture. And keep us protected. Weve got to have each others backs. And fronts. Cerave. What your skin craves. Bumbumbumbumbum tmobile believes its better to give than to receive. James may disagree scream join tmobile and get the Samsung Galaxy s9 free. Bumbumbumbumbum hdelicious 100 real chocolates only one winner. Crunch. Embracing the lightness of crispy rice. Crunch. The chocolate bar all americans love. But allstate helps you. With drivewise. Feedback that helps you drive safer. 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Are you legislate the saudis get away with murder . Murdering a journalist . No, no. This is about america first. Theyre paying us 400 billion plus to purchase and invest in our country. Thats probably the biggest amount ever paid to the United States. Dont you believe the cia they didnt make a determination. And it was just like i said. I think it was maybe he did, maybe he didnt. Its worth noting there, a question and a follow up from jim acosta, just one day after the white house backed down from its acosta ban. Yes, cnns lawsuit had the intended effect. After a territory ruling in cnn and acostas favor, the white house restored acostas press pass and cnn dropped the suit. So for the moment, things are back to normal. But the white house did announce these socalled rules, governing conduct at president ial press conferences. One of the rules says followups are only allowed at the white houses discretion, but nobody in the press corps has agreed to the rules. But joining me now, olivia nuzzi, sabrina siddiqui, political reporter at the guardian, and still with me in washington, Karen Tumulty of the Washington Post. Sabrina, did you agree to the rules . Did you ever hear about these rules before they were released . No. Frankly, i dont think that anyone has agreed to the rules, because theres no reason for the white house to dictate the terms about how reporters do their jobs. I think we should be very clear about whats behind these new rules. The white house wants to hold on to the notion that jim acosta was somehow out of line, even though theres no evidence to support that claim. And theyre using that as an excuse to try and exert control and restrict access when it comes to the ways that these briefings and press conferences are conducted. But followups are commonplace. And in fact, they serve a very critical importance when you think about the fact that the president might, for example, try and avoid answering a certain question or he might answer it in awh way thats misleading. So all of this comes back to the idea that the white house cousin not want to admit it got the jim acosta situation wrong and prolong this feud with the media, because they know that thats something that the president can use to harden support within his base. Do you think its possible, karen, that the white house will try to ban another reporter a month or two or three months from now . You know, if trumps in a bad mood or if the press is really challenging him on something, will we be back here again in a month or two . Its very likely, and they may or may not cite this unenforceable rule, but it really gets us to a kind of bigger question, which is, you know, what is the white house doing, deciding who should have a pass, who shouldnt . I think all you have to do is look at the other end of pennsylvania avenue and in congress, the decision of which organizations have press passes and a lot of these rules are actually set by elected representatives of journalists. And i think that that is the kind of system that the white house should have here. Essentially, selfenforcement, even in journalism, is a pretty powerful tool. Speaking of the press corps, its relationship with the president , we saw the White House Correspondents association make an interesting announcement this week. Instead of having a comedian show up at the usual dinner in april, theres going to be an author, instead. The acclaimed historian rob chernow will be speaking. I wonder, olivia, if this is a capitulation by the Correspondents Association. Theyre saying, all right, trumps not going to come to our party, so were not going to have a comedian anymore. I think it is. I think the way that it was handled last year with all of the controversy was fairly ridiculous. Everyone sort of played their part, as you would expect them to. You mean people being outraged by michelle wolfes jokes . People being outraged, people being outraged by the outrage. People being upset that we were having the conversation at all, that it was a distraction. But i think that, you know, washington is a place that is not mature enough right now thoonto handle a joke and i think its pretty sad and says a lot about the state of our discourse. I think that the argument from the Correspondents Association is, when trump doesnt come, its weird for the press to make fun of him. And i can see how hes changed the balance of power. Karen, i see you trying to get in there. I might argue for the other route, which i have actually done in the past, which is, bring in some music. Believe it or not, past White House Correspondent dinners have featured Aretha Franklin and ray charles and even at one point, Barbra Streisand back in the 60s. Interesting. Something much more important than the White House Correspondents dinner is something youve been writing about this week in the post, karen, this month, actually. Its the president s relationship with the military thats really under scrutiny right now. And i want to run through a few examples of why theres been so much scrutiny. The president told the ap that visiting the war zone is not that necessary, although now he says he is going to visit. The deployment to the southern border got a lot of attention. There are a lot of other examples were putting on screen, including what happened in france when he skipped one of those ceremonies this time last weekend, slamming retired admiral mccraven. And of course on thursday, as we mentioned earlier, his politicized rant during the thanksgiving call to troops. Do you think its appropriate for the press to be trying to scrutinize this relationship. What they like to say is the media goes around and around and around calling trump names. They go around and around and around saying youre unhinged, you hate the military. And none of those stick on the president. Thats the conservative critique and i wonder what your reaction is, karen. The conservative critique, and its right, is that trump has already increased the military budget. But again and again, we see him doing things sthar quite disrespectful to the service of individual military members. And that list that you put up there is really a short one. Its its only in the past couple of months. Yeah, theres a lot more examples. And i wrote my column on this score on veterans day, which is when the president was tweeting, not only had he missed the cemetery visit and not only did he not go to arlington that day, but he was tweeting that florida should just accept the Election Results from election night, which would actually disenfranchise a lot of military ballots. So again, on a sort of global kind of level of increasing military spending, i think hes been a great ally and friend of the military. It is just respecting the individual sacrifice of our service members, where he keeps falling short. But your view is, its our job to ask these questions. That we have to scrutinize this. And also, our job to sort of point out the hypocrisy of a president who, again, sends 5,000 troops to the border as essentially window dressing, as a prop right before the election. Let me end this block where i began. And that is with Jamal Khashoggis murder and the governments response. There was a dinner here in new york the other night, the committee to protect journalists annual press Freedom Dinner and you see an empty chair there for jamal in the crowd. Just one of many ways, trying to keep his memory alive. I wonder if you, sabrina, as a member of the White House Press corps, what did it mean to see trump reacting the way he did this week . Essentially choosing saudi money over a reporters life . Well, i think its important to even put into context the way in which the president responded to the disappearance of khashoggi more broadly. From the outset, he was willing to buy into saudi talking points, even as u. S. Intelligence showed otherwise and believed all along that the crowned prince had, in fact, potentially ordered khashoggis execution. And so, you know, the white house continued to change its story throughout the weeks that followed. And you do have to ask the question as to what impact this has on the u. S. And its standing on the global stage. Because this is a country that has, throughout its history, tried to advocate for human rights, both at home and around the world. And this fundamentally undermines the credibility of the u. S. Government, when it comes to pushing for both freedom of the press and for human rights. Congress, of course, had asked for sanctions and has the power, perhaps, to take more actions. But you see republicans in congress be reluctant to take on this president. Whether anything changes in the new Congress Remains to be seen. But most importantly, i think the way that the president responded has a delegitimizing effect when it comes to america and its credibility, as the world has been watching. Yeah. Sabrina and karen, thank you so much. Olivia, please stick around. Much more with you in a moment. Quick break here and then the freshman arriving in washington. Some of the some new arrivals to capitol hill, including alexandria okasia cortez and her savvy use of social media. 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Olivia nuzzi is back with me here in new york and were joined by one of ocasiocortezs most vocal supporters, jake ugher. What do you think ocasiocortez is doing on social media that is so unique . Whats great about her is that she is unapologetic. You can see that about what shes doing in social media and everything she does. Because she has a couple of advantages that the rest of the establishment democrats dont have in washington. One, she doesnt give a damn what republicans think about her. And so she welcomes their attacks and she uses social media as a jiujitsu to turn their attacks against them. So they say, oh, shes a socialist whos for medicare for all. She says, fantastic yes 70 of the country greaagrees w medicare for all. In fact, 52 of republicans agree with medicare for all please, spread that message everywhere, fox news youre doing ads for us and you dont even realize it. Let me show an example of that. Shes posting on instagram some of the coverage that fox has had of her. She puts up graphics on fox and says, thank you for this. Thank you for sharing my goals and messages. Just an example there. What you were going to say was number two . Secondly, shes untethered from the donors, so they can be much braver than the average democrat in congress. So she calls for a Green New Deal and says that people on the select committee should not take any fossil fuel money. Now, the democrats plan to put Frank Pallone as the head of the house and energy house energy and commerce committee. He takes 178,000 from energy companies. Thats institutional corruption. So mostly, democrats go, no, no, no, no, dont criticize the republicans, because we also take money from fossil fuel companies. Since she doesnt, she doesnt take any large donor money like that, she can criticize the republicans all she likes and it drives fox news crazy. Theres one counterargument about her use of social media. Olivia, im seeing ocasiocortez using twitter and instagram every day, but not doing so many tv interviews. And we asked her to be on this program. She declined. I wonder if sometimes her use of instagram, where shes making meals and chatting with her fans, its really interesting to see, but it does allow her to sidestep the media. Right. This is the issue with social media. On the one hand, politicians seem more accessible than ever, public figures in general. They are more visible than ever. We see more of them than ever. But on the other hand, it allows them to speak directly to their voters, to their base, to their followers and they dont have to answer the same questions or appear on the same shows that they may have had to before in order to maintain that same level of fame. And so i think shes benefitting from that. And i also think that that is theres sort of a vacuum that fox news is fox news is projecting a lot, because we dont hear as much from her in interviews as you do from other politicians who are maybe a little bit older, less accustomed to using instagram. And i think that genk made the that fox news is attacking exactly what she believes ain ad its helping her to evaluate her talking points. It is interesting to see how she reacts to foxs criticism and engages and talks about it and uses it to her advantage. The president does the same thing on the very, very far different side, right . He uses twitter to talk directly to his supporters. He uses fox news, which is really just an extension of his communication shop. And i think that he is able to get away with not answering very tough questions as frequently as other politicians may have had to. So genk, as trump is to twitter is ocasiocortez to instagram . Thats one of the lessons here . Shes using a new platform in a new way . Look, you can say that trump was untethered from the donors in a sense, as well, because he didnt raise enough money from them. And so, hence, he was able to speak out more vociferously on social media, as ocasiocortez does on the left. But ive got to say, one thing in her defense, from what you just mentioned, brian. Look, you say she doesnt do enough interviews on television now. But lets be fair, when you needed those interviews, you guys werent there for her. So before the election but our job isnt to be there for anybody. No, no, no, brian, its not about being there or not, its about you guys didnt think she had a chance, so you didnt give her any outlet at all. So the people in her district didnt get a real sense of, you know, who had the better point of view. She overcame that anyway and went on to win. If you think, hey, shes got to go on television to speak to the people, apparently, she didnt. She had to go on the young turks and social media to speak to the media and she did and she won. So she doesnt owe television anything. She doesnt owe the corporate democrats anything. She doesnt owe republicans anything. So she can go on and make her case anywhere she likes, and its incredibly effective. Shes an elected official im sorry i think the more interviews the better. Shes an elected official. She certainly owes the media, the public her voice in answering questions. I take your point about her not getting enough attention before she won, but i dont think thats particularly unusual for somebody running for congress. Shes not running for president. I think then it would be a different story. No, i think that sorry, genk, last word to you. Real quick. I think that unfortunately the media covers people with more money and a lot of that is corporate money. And so its not just about ocasiocortez, its about the future. And in 2020, will you cover progressive candidates that run uncorrupted . And my guess is no. And then youll turn around and sometimes blame them later. Journalists cover progressive candidates and conservative candidates, and we should cofve them. Absolutely, but unfortunately, you give an advantage to people with more money and you do it all the time. And unfortunately, i think it aids and abets corruption. I would love to discuss that more with you in the future. Im not sure how we support candidates that have more donor money. Thats your argument, that because they have more donor money, they get more News Coverage . Yeah. Brian, are you saying that not everybody in the media says, well, that person has a better chance of winning, so they have more money, so theres this obsession with whos raised more money and therefore its more legitimate . Hmm. Thats the view in the Mainstream Media which is not held in actual elections. Interesting. Genk, thanks so much for being here. 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For anyone that was offended for by membership commey com certainly apologize. I also recognize that this comment was twisted and it was turned into a weapon to be used against me. A political weapon used for nothing but personal and political gain. Now, for the story behind the story. The man who originally posted this video is lamar white jr. Hes the publisher of the bayou brief, which is actually based in louisiana but has been covering the mississippi race, as well. Lamar, howd you get ahold of this video . Through a reliable source, is what i can say. Nice line on this show. But what does that mean . A democratic tracker who was following the republican . Well, im assuming that this was a democratic tracker through an intermediary. And i vetted the video and was able to confirm its authenticity before publishing it. And the point is, its real. She said it, its stupid. It seems like it has racial connotations. There are a lot of racial issues involved in this race. Tell us about what the last two weeks have been like. Hyde smith has been the target of multiple stories. She would say the target of multiple stories about her relationship with race in mississippi. Well, its a volatile race across the country. The idea of race. The issue of race. And in mississippi, 37 africanamerican population, a comment like that is just not a southern colloquialism. No one had heard it ever before as a joke. So it was bizarre and i still dont understand exactly what she meant by it. Certainly not a compliment, you know . Think about what happened since you posted that video. At at t, which is owned by cnn along with google and walmart and other Big Companies moved to pull their Financial Support for hyde smith, tried to take back their donations. Thats one example of what happened since you published the video. What did it mean for you as a web journalist, someone who runs a nonprofit news website, what does it tell us about the world today that you were able to get millions of views for this video, cause all of these reactions from these companies and maybe change the course of the race in mississippi . Right. Sometimes social media like in 2016, we know that social media was essentially hijacked by russians and by foreign interference. But sometimes, local journalists, people like me can use it to for good. And to bring out the truth. And in this case, i think it worked very effectively. And theres a reason it went viral. So im happy that it reached the audience that it did. Were seeing other local outlets doing similar reporting, the jackson free press, for example, publishing a story over the weekend saying that hydesmith attended a basically allwhite segregatiacademy to a segregation. And the kfiles Team Publishing a story as well about her past. We see journalists digging deep and make sure voters know whats on the ballot on tuesday. And i also say cnns don lemon, whos orphan baton roufr has done a really good job on this story, as well. So what do you want voters to know ahead of tuesday . Aside from the racial issues, i think that they need to know that she also opposes taking Medicaid Expansion money and essentially thats 300,000 mississippine mississippians who were being denied insurance. And in louisiana, my home state, 500,000 more people have insurance now. Its literally saved lives. So aside from the racial issues, i hope that they consider voting for the candidate who supports taking Medicaid Expansion funding. Lamar, thanks for being here. Great talking with you. Thanks so much, brian. We will have much more reliable souerses relibl sou reliable souers reliable sources in just a moment. And that can lower your cost now that you know the truth. Are you in good hands . Im begging you. Take gasx. 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About possible regulation of facebook. I spoke with researcher renee about all this, studying about how it spreads across social networks. Heres what he told me what she took away from the New York Times recent reporting. I thought really oversight was needed. Theyre doing a good job, theyve got good people working there, deeply committed to solving to actually managing this problem, but at the same time it really has to be something thats done in conjunction with oversight from government. Theres been a lot of talks of fixing the problem with fake news or fixing the problem with misinformation, but you say thats entirely the wrong way to look at this. I dont think there is a way to fix it. There has always been disinformation and propaganda in the world. Theres always been disinformation and propaganda on the internet. The issue right now is we have an information ecosystem that really facilitates the content, facilitates it going viral, facilitates it spreading. The architecture really lends itself to mass spreading of propaganda and disinformation. The ecosystem is not going to disappear. Were not going to get rid of social networks and even if we were to break them up there would be more platforms for propaganda to go after. I think we should be thinking about this like cyber security. No one seriously thinks if microsoft patches the latest windows flaw security is going to be fine forever. This is not a broken arm that can be healed, this is diabetes. This is something youll have to manage for the rest of your life. Its the chronic condition of the internet. There has been some progress, but this really means the attackers are getting more sophisticated, doesnt it . They are getting more sophisticated. I think really it comes down to impressing upon the platforms that they bear some responsibility. And i am not advocating for the regulation of ideas. I am advocating for oversight. I think what we see in the article from the New York Times is that selfregulation with no oversight does not work. It just does not work in this industry. I think creating better ways, more transparency, more governance, people need to have an understanding how their feed is ranked, what their recommendation engine is doing, because right now any time the plat nrms make the smallest change people really believe theyre censored. Talking about the information ecosystem, and it does bring us right back to the way we started this hour, to the sense there are two americas living two different world. Facebook and other sites contribute to that sense, by reinforcing peoples echo chambers, reinforcing that filter bubble so it becomes a filter prison where youre only seeing stories you already agree with. By the way, thats a problem for youtube as well. Im curious to see when the democrats take the house in january whether well see bipartisan calls in oversight on this issue. 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