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I want to start off on a positive note. Did you like the Royal Wedding . Absolutely. Who doesnt love a Royal Wedding. I admit i watched the clips afterwards. I didnt get up at 4 00 a. M. Thats okay. It was wonderful on replay also. Its fantastic. Two of my children are named george and charlotte, but we et had them first. I would love to talk about the Royal Wedding all day. But i want to ask about the tweets. Whats the source for the claim they have fom found no collusion with russia . Has he been given a report by mueller . I wont tell you that, but i will tell you that over a year into this that there is no evidence of collusion. The president has called this investigation a witch hunt many times. Yet he and his allies have been cooperative. They turned over thousands of pages of documents. They sat for dozens and dozens of interviews. I think its important to note that the public has a right to know fully what is going on here. What are we really locking at if now were looking at the stories that people in the Trump Campaign early on who i never even met were meeting with people or were being surveilled by people. Thats got zero to do with the winning part of the campaign. It just does. I have never carter page was on your network. This is important. Hes never met me. I dont remember meeting permanent thp the point is when you talk about the Trump Campaign, you have to break it up. The winning part was focused very much on the michigan i think as a Shadow Campaign being investigated. But when the president says they found no evidence of collusion, it makes me wonder who is telling him that. Who is letting him inside the mueller investigation. Heres what the president knows. You know if there was evidence of collusion, it would have leaked by now. I do not know that. I wish they would. There would be many people. The senate has had one. Mueller has one certainly. The witch hunt has given up on rush ja and looking at the rest of the world. Hes citing this story. Maybe hes watching your network where you have shown the graphics about collusion and replaced them with one persons lawyer who has been on your network for 160 times in a short amount of time. Theres an active investigation into russias attack on our country. Its a good thing that mueller is looking at other possible foreign influences. Who is telling the president that respectfully if you can walk and chew gum and whistle at the same time, start covering this mans accomplishments. We have a new cia director. I knew you would say that. You dont want to tell the truth. They dont know they watch cnn. They dont know the Unemployment Rate is under 4 . They dont know growth is close to 4 . They do. We are negotiating trade deals with china, mexico, everyone across the globe. They dont know that the president was reforming. If you are watching this program, i want you to email me. Every viewer in america knows about those accomplishments. But they also know they all know about the accomplishments. Because i said so. When you said the president call this is a witch hunt, hes describing a federal investigation into an attack on our country. Do you recognize the harm thats being done when the president degrades the fbi that way . Hes not degrading the fbi. Hes made it clear. Hold on. Absolutely does not and heres why. This president who went to the new director of the fbi a couple months ago addressed them. He and other people speak on his behalf. The tens of thousands of men and women in the rank and file who do their jobs respectively and diligently every day is not going to be the president is talking about. Hes talking about specific actors whose names we know now. James comey, peter ohr and his wife, all the while screwing up the investigation into Hillary Clinton. Where are her emails . Why was she allowed to give an interview its his government. Excuse me. If you want to talk about the 2016 election, lets talk about it. I dont. I asked about russias attack and who is telling the president that theres no collusion. You keep saying russias attack on democracy. What evidence do you or anybody at cnn have that any of that interference played into the Election Results . Youre trying to conflate it to make america think that somehow donald trump didnt win this election fairly and squarely. Theres a hundred different theories. One of those things was russias attack. Youre wrong. Are you telling the world that theres a nex us is between that and the result . Most people are not willing to say that. There are a hundred factors. You were responsible for some of those factors. Clintons mistakes, there were a will the of factors. Im not going to let you get away with saying that russia had anything to do with this election result. Whats your proof of that . The wikileaks, the abuse of the documents, the stolen emails, all of that. Et whoa, whoa, brian, youre trying to break news here and its not working. Did you Say Something that a lot of people are not willing to say . Im not on the side of an aisle. Tell america. Did you vote for Hillary Clinton or donald trump . I did not vote. I left that spot blank that day. Its not appropriate for you to go around asking people who they voted for. Its all appropriate to ask me things but not other people. We asked you to come on the program because youre a representative of the president. And the president thinks that if theres no nex us between interference and the outcome of the elections, which is why they are moving on to someones lawyer being on your network 160 plus times in a short amount of time. You dont have those graphics of russian collusion. Someone on a Different Network ran all these outtakes from people on your network where people were promising russia colt conclusion. They were promising were going to have evidence of this. You confused america and wasted time talking about that instead of things that really matter to america like a great prosperous economy, national security, renegotiated trade deals. If you think your job is to get the story, just say it. Because i know your viewers expect that now. Look at their comments all the time. Dont have trump people on. They expect you to be reflexively antitrump. The goal is not to get the president. The goal is to get the truth. Theres a lot of people trying to obscure the truth. Youre saying something that people arent saying. Im saying there hasnt been a report yoet. So i dont know where the president is getting this claim that they found no collusion. Can i ask about one other thing . Five days ago the president tweeted there was a witch hunt. Im trying to find out where the president is getting information. Five days ago the president tweeted the probe was costing 10 million. Today he said 20 million. Where is is he getting this information from . I dont know but people know its a taxpayer funded exercise prize and thats why they have a right to know. He said 10 million and then 20 million. The judge told the folks that you cant use this investigation to try to embarrass the president. You have to have Something Else. They think everybody should see what a federal judge says. Thats the beauty of the media. Everybody heard about that. That was big news on that day. I think its really great that the president doesnt allow any of this to distract from being one of the most successful president in his first 16 months anywhere. Thats a good pivot. I respect the pivot. I dont know what hes working on because all hes doing is tweeting about his resentments. I just hung up with him 30 seconds ago. What was his message . Many things. We were talking about very specific issue were going to work on later today as a group. Hes the president of the united states. If its so easy to get. Corporate tax rate from 35 to 21 and 20,000 jobs here. Im glad the economy became trumps economy. Im thankful. You should be. Because its helping a lot of americans. He tweeted that people that are leaking in the white house are traders. And cowards. The shocking language using a term that has legal consequence. Can you tell me staffers have been fired for leaking . I cant reveal that, but i will tell you that the president thinks a lot of stuff is made up and embellished. He knows that many of us get a text or an email or phone call, i heard you think the moon is made of cheese. I have two sources. Someone will say i dont have a problem with the moon and dont think its made of cheese. Somebody else will say we have three source who is think you dont like the moon. He understands people make up things and he also knows that the leaks that youre talking about from ten days ago were meant to hurt the people who were involved. So people like to settle personal scores by talking to the press. But he also knows that those of us who have top secret security clearance, those of us privy to information that never gets discussed, he understands the way the game is played. But leaking is a symptom. Its a symptom of a problem. A deeper problem at the white house. Companies dont leak. If there were leak, you could change to say breaking news, which would be true for once. It would be news. Why the constant attacks . You would have the fruits of the leak. Why arent you showing me the memo. How come youre not talking about a leak. I would tell you they dont come from which im not a member. But there are hundreds and muns of people who work on that complex. Folks noent dont know but have access to information. Hes the president of united states. Hes done things nobody would have imagined in the first 16 months of a presidency. People do appreciate it. Including tearing down the media. Poor media. Im not saying poor media. We should recognize the flaws of your boss as well as his achievements. Can i ask you about the leak investigation . You cant say if staffers have been fired, but it sounds like theres an active investigation. So i believe, yes, this is. Not just in the Commons Department but overblown by the media, who cant get fruits of leaks to talk about the process of leaks. Is the leaking exacerbated by not having a Communications Director. Its been a couple months. A lot of the leaks dont come from that. The president knows that because he sees who is in different meetings. Is the president going to hire a new Communications Director . The president is a great Communications Director and he has wonderful people supporting him. I think you more than anybody will appreciate this. Its 2018. Theres so many ways to communicate and send and receive information. The president does that through his social media platform. Hundreds of millions of people see it. So youre dealing with the president himself who is not a politician at all. This is a man who is very social media savvy. Hes very media centric. Were trying to build a structure. Im trying to help out the department. Were trying to build a structure that accommodates the realities of President Trump media savvy and 2018 where you just have so many more platforms with which to communicate. So fitting us into a structure that helped or benefitted the president in the past is just not a realistic view of 2018. The president has not held a press conference at the white house for 400 days. Why is that . The president talks to people all the time. I saw but not a solo press conference. He has, let me read this to you. According to the director of the white house transition, President Trump did 170 short question and answer sessions compared to 55 for president obama. Lots of those short. But those are not press conferences. Its people reading prepared statements and unknowing which questions are going to be asked. But this president makes himself available. He seems to be hiding from pressers and interviewers. Hes not even going on fox anymore. Of all the words i us would use to describe President Trump in hiding would not be among them. You may not like that hes cut out the middle man, that he tweets. Dont be jealous of that. Maybe hell come on network one day. Hes said he wont. If he wanted big rate, he would go on one of the broadcast networks. Hed get 10 million viewers. He made it clear when he was asked by someone from a different platform recently. Do you think youll get the nobel peace prize. He said you wai want the best r for america. The ratings are seen through how people are benefitting from the tax cuts, the regulatory reductions. We know the president cares about ratings. He is the president. They didnt want to have press conferences, but they did. Just so you know, i tell the president all the time he should go out more because hes the best communicator we have. He won the election because he was out there bringing the message directly to the people every single day unfiltered, not waiting for the middle man. As president he communicates daily through his social media and answering these questions. This is a president , brian, and thank you for cnn covering all hour of it, 55 minutes plus with a Bipartisan Group of members from the hill talking about daca and immigration a few months ago. Then the democrats walked away, of course, as they normally do. But this is somebody who is transparent and accountable. I would love him to come on your network, but hes happy to send me. Were into 17 minutes now. But he attacks cnn and calls New York Times crooked and smears the news outlets instead. I wonder if 20 years from now youre going to be proud of that on a personal level. Will you be proud he tried to tear down news outlets . Hes trying to get some fair and full coverage. I have been clear from day one that my main objection will always be full coverage, complete coverage. Were just missing an opportunity to make sure but Cnns Van Jones was in the east room on friday when the president and Jared Kushner and other held forth and had a reform moving the ball forward on that issue. Im the point person for the administration on opioids. Thats going better now, but i have a lot of bipartisan support from capitol hill. You dont want to cover it. These are things that affect americans. We lost more people to drug overdoses than gun violence, plane crashes, breast cancer. All of those are serious matters, but this is too. My beef will always be incomplete coverage. On one or two things to the exclusion of the issues that americans tell us in the white house every single day. There were these stories about sean hannity as a chief of staff. I was wondering if you ever coordinate . I dont coordinate with sean hannity. Were both pretty busy. I go on his show once a week. Theres nothing to coordinate. What is there to coordinate . I have a relationship with the president. I speak with him regularly. Sean is running the highest rated show on cable. Theres a reason for that. Hes providing information that people cant find anywhere else. Sean would have low ratings if he was talking about Everything Else that everybody is talking about. Think about that for a moment. People are starved for unique content. They seem to not be getting it elsewhere. The ratings show that and what he covers every night show that. Hes also dealing with things that are outside of my per view. I dont have access to those materials. Im glad the country is starting to have access to those materials because i think when everybody is calling for transparency and accountable, it ought to cut every single way. We ought to know they were expecting to. It is relevant because it talks about upper echelons of the fbi and what was going on. If youre going to give jim comey book time. Crimes that include in any campaign. One more transparency question. Im going to be talking about amazon and this Washington Post report. The headline is President Trump personally pushed the postmaster general to double rates on amazon. This looks like hes trying to punish the Washington Post owner jeff bezos by punishing amazon. Is that the case. That trump has been pressuring the postmaster general . Its not the case hes trying to punish jeff bezos. The president has made clear whether its trade with china, renegotiating with mexico or the eu, and amazon, he wants a more fair Playing Field for everyone. Apparently the president told me amazon has a fiveyear sweetheart deal. People cant get access to it. The president s point is without the post office, amazon would probably need to create its own infrastructure. It does great in the big cities. My daughter orders things all the time. But if youre talking about some of our rural communities, the post office was there first. And they have the infrastructure and the access. And so the post office and amazon have been working together, but were still losing billions of dollars each year and he just wants a Playing Field that is more fair to the mom and pops. When et he talks about the eu. And when he talks about with respect to illegal immigration. The country has been asking whats fair. What more can we do for him or her. Whats fair to the American Workers and the factories that are closing. So everything he talked about goes back to the issue of fairness. And this is no different. Kellyanne conway, thank you for being here. Thank you, brian, its a pleasure. Take care. Were just getting start ed. We have an allstar panel standing by. Stick with me. Owners claim lastr so allstate is giving us money back on our bill. Well, that seems fair. We didnt use it. 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Covered by most insurance and medicare plans. Tresiba® ready welcome back. We were just speaking with Kellyanne Conway. Its worth unpacking interviews with president ial aids. Lets bring in our panel with me here in new york. The editor in chief of the daily beast. A cnn Global Affairs analyst and fellow the a the counsel on foreign relations. And a political reporter for the guardian. Lots to discuss about the leak and things like that. Was there anything about Kellyanne Conways rhetoric . Shes a partisan warrior. Shes the apostle of alternative facts. A couple things struck me. She reiterated that line about how this is is the most successful first 16 months. Thats by stroke of comparisons not true. You can do that any number of different ways. Jfk having an approval rating. Thats important. She also said alleged russian interference. That jumped out at me too. Whether thats her audience of one, it also come the week after the committee released a bipartisan support says there was interference, but it was designed to help donald trump. So those are significant things. Shes fair to say we should and do acknowledge employment. Extraordinary. It deserves credit for north korea. But dont spin your way out of other things like Robert Mueller having charges against companies. Those are stats and facts. You have to do both. The other president ial surrogate on television has been Rudy Giuliani. Hes been on fox several times. Is he acting as the president s director with regards to legal issues . Whats your impression of the rudy strategy or is there a strategy. Theres no question that as with many people in the president s orbit hes performing for an audience of one. Its clear he sees himself as the public face of the presid t president s legal team, which is striking because he was brought on in a war of a limited capacity. He was supposed to as act a mediator. He seemed to have hurt the president s team because hes full of contradictions and been wildly loose with the facts. But that seems to work for the president s surrogates. The president likes people who are aggressive and thats what Rudy Giuliani is. Theres a contrast between rudy and Kellyanne Conway. Rudy is kind of trumpen that he says random stuff and has to walk half of it back. Shes more of a disciplined l r disciplined liar. What lie . I lost count. There was six or seven lies that she came out with the course of your interview. Its popular for people to say shes a liar. I want to know. For example, she says the president doesnt allow any of this to distract him. This was on a day he tweeted six times about the mueller investigation. She says theres no evidence of collusion. Theres a lot of evidence of collusion. There was 75 meetings between the Trump Campaign and the kremlin. The democrats walked away from the daca deal. Thats not true. Trump walked away. She says trump is not trying to tear down news outlets, yet he does that every single day. Hes trying to take away amazons deal with the Postal Service. Its lie after lie essentially. But she does it in a disciplined, robotic fashion that appeals to her client, President Trump whereas rudy is all over the place. She reenforces this idea that the russia investigation is a witch hunt where theres been 19 people indicted. That includes senior officials from the Trump Campaign. Some of whom pleaded guilty of George Papadopoulos of lying to the fbi about the nature of the communications with the russians. Some of those are cooperating with the special counsel. But again this is designed to appease the president. If there was collusion, it would have leaked by now. I find it interesting. And it has leak ed. Of course, theres lots. You pick up the New York Times or Washington Post and every single day theres more evidence of russian and trump contacts. Now were seeing more between the Trump Campaign and saudi arabia. Its leaked. But the strategy overall is at least trying to go for a split screen. There are negative stories over here but trying to create a cast of characters. You mean a democrat. Its a real conspiracy for the democrats. Its the fbi. Its rotten to the core. Its law enforcement. And that distracting from the real reporting and the ongoing investigation, which is not completed and not completely transparent at this point by its nature. Kind of like when the volume is really loud in one room and you turn up the volume in the other room as well. Trying to nod have to hear whats really going on. Mud did these lines. It bares repeating that Robert Mueller is a republican. Rod rosenstein is a republican. But they are trying to discredit the investigation and color the publics perception of whatever it is that he wants. About how she i dont think they really expect anybody except their hard core partisans to believe themselves. They are trying to throw a bunch of information out there and have people just say i dont know. Rudy has been effective at that. Two other pieces here. I think theres a question of whether hes been overexposed. By being on television every day. By coming up with new storylines and using twitter so effectively. Theres been an argument this has been working for him. Isnt there an argument its starting to backfire. I think whether he gets over his skis and things start blowing up in his face, i think is he an ed a advocate for his t Stormy Daniels or try og to take on a larger role. Him putting out what appears to be documents on Michael Cohens investigation, that led to a significant new development in the story. Unclear if, how or at all related to his client Stormy Daniels. You always have a danger with some folk when is they put themselves out. You fly a little too close to the sun and fall. Hes been an active antagonist and playing trumps own tactics against him. Thats one of the interesting things. The story a couple days ago about pitching a show without an audience. Got a lot of eye rolls. It might be great television. Its not on the front burner, but it is on the back burner. But i do think theres been some Critical Coverage in the past few days thats new. And from pretty down the middle outlets. Just questioning whether this is still working. I think he has been pretty effective in using trump tactics against trump. He has proeken information about his lawyer. This is a huge part of this scandal with cohen trying to get money out of people trying to influence the white house. This is a big story. In the distract and deflect strategy, theres Something Else thats important. Its being all democratic. Ro better. Mueller, republican. Theres a lot of critics. And so i think that they are trying to cast all critics as leftists, theres conservative media playing the antitrump game trying not to ailuate their base. It does undercut the extent we need to have a conversation about facts and principle and not simply get derided into the us against them debate, which they have gravitated to because thats been trumps calling card from the beginning. The other important piece about the distract and deflect strategy and the idea we are not covering positive news from this administration is its the president so fix stated on the investigation. Hes tweeting about it. One could argue there would be no special counsel had he not fired him in the first place. Whens the last time you heard the president talking about the Unemployment Rate or tax reform. Hes been focused on this cloud that is the investigation. Hes not talking about his jebd on a daytoday basis. Theres reporting that hes not preparing for his summit with kim jongun because hes confident he can master it. They will just say the report ing is fake. Give credit where credit is due without shying away from calling out things that are across the line. That is a normalization. Thank you very much. After a quick break, a look at the coverage of the shooting in santa fe. Is the coverage at some point too much . Should we talk about how to reassess these shootings . Well be right back. Ldnt have. Rawwggwwrughh its ok, its ok. Weve got time. [impact collision] rawwggwwrughh [impact collision]. Ughhhh what seeing your reallife millennium falcon get damaged is painful enough. Filing your Insurance Claim shouldnt be. Esurance makes it easy. So you can get on to your next adventure. Oh, we gotta pick up my mom. Ughhhh esurance. See solo a star wars story may 25th. These are the specialists were proud to call our own. 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But there are aspects of the news Media Coverage of a massacre like the one in santa fe that i think we should assess and maybe rethink. So to do that, let et me bring in the author of the book columbine. Dave, good to et see you. Although i know that youre always on television after these killings. Its a strange thing. And you told me in the past its very emotional for you. When you see something break and know youre going to have to be on tv for days talking about another one of these. I sort of feel it through their eyes and text a couple kids on friday ask he was shaken up. I know they are retraumatized and its horrible for them. Is less more . The amount of immediamedia atte that these spectacle murders get part of the problem. Yes and no. I thought that it was. And especially our focus on the killer. Its always the big thing and the burning question is why did he do it. The last three years has been a change. I always used to get asked. The whole thing was why. It really changed to how is this going to end. When is this going to stop and how. And because that happened before parkland, the country we wouldnt see that. It was bubbling up. They were so ready for the parkland kids because they wanted that. We need more coverage on what are we going to do about this. But less about the killer. Its strike iing because the last few years we have seen that no notoriety movement. Parents saying dont name the killer and show his face. Its had an fact. Were seeing less coverage about the killers. Its been all day friday doing tv. So many anchors and correspondents actually apologized about using the name. And said were only going to say this once and need to get the name out there. So thats really seeped in. But the bigger thing is the parkland kids flipped the script. We talked about how the idea is good of dmiminishing the killer. But how do you make them interesting enough because frankly everybody is fascinated by killers. They want to be on television. They would like privacy. They did and they have changed because we have gotten tired of the killers and what they have done as a society. But people used to be dying to know the las vegas shooter is the worst in american history. I bet most viewers out there dont know his name. I cannot remember it. This particular killer, who cares. Its like we used to be fascinated and now were like enough of those jerks and what they are doing. Everybody knows david hoge. They have flipped the script by being more interesting than their attackers. I think they have done the story for us. That may turn out to be the biggest single change of taking the power away from the killers without being what they intended to do. It might be as important as what they are doing with guns, which is fantastic. Good to see you. Thank you for being horror. Thanks for having me. A huge story alleging president ial abuse of power. 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President trump using his power to punish one of his rivals . If youve become numb to this, stap o snap out of it. The report on friday titled, trump personally pushed postmaster general to double rates on amazon, other firms. So this is an example of a president using his power to punish a newspaper owner. According to the posts own reporting here, several Officials SayPresident Trumps attacks on amazon is in response to articles in the post that he didnt like. Lets talk about it with one of the reporters that broke the story. Josh dawson is a White House Reporter for the post and a cnn analyst. Josh, youre having to write about your owner in this situation. Right, but were just sticking to the facts and what happened in these meetings between President Trump and the postmaster general. He asked for the rates on amazon and other firms, to be clear, to be doubled. He sees the Postal Services finances. He says theyre bleeding. He said doing this emeliorates him of the financial problems there. Thats been pushed back by his advisers who say we cant just double the rates on companies unilaterally. Thats a regulatory commission. We have to go through a lot of different steps to make this happen. Its a complicated situation for the president but i dont think its one thats abating any time soon. They did not deny your reporting and i noticed Kellyanne Conway did not dispute your reporting. Theres been a presentation of the facts but still the president doesnt believe it . No, the president believes amazon is a company just making too much money off mom and pop shops, as Kellyanne Conway phrased it earlier. The president thinks amazon has too lucrative and too sweet a deal. Thats up for debate by others, but the president sees that. The president has also complained about the Washington Post owned by jeff bazos and sometimes complaints about amazon comes after Washington Post stories that he doesnt like. But the president in these meetings are saying its nothing about the post, its nothing about the reporting, i just think the Postal Service is getting ripped off. Thats what hes put to his advisers on a number of occasions. No offense, josh, look at positive l politifact. They said, no, the Postal Service isnt losing a fortune on amazon, those sorts of issues. And as we reported in our story, a number of the president s advisers do not think amazon is a problem and have told him that. Gary cohn, chief economic adviser who left last year. Steve mnuchin has held efsevera meetings in the oval office about shipping costs for amazon, and he seems to be one of the main people in the administration who want to raise costs on amazon and other companies that ship. Thank you for appearing. Putting the president s comment about animals in context. You guys three chevy suvs. The first one is called the trax, great for when you move in together. 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Fox and the president in the press railed against the news coverage. The headlines were all that President Trump called these immigrants animals. It wasnt just one outlet, it was every Mainstream Media outlet out there. Anyone with half a brain reading the full paragraph rather than the inflammatory sentence that everybody broadcast can see what he was trying to convey. The media has to cover him and triple check to make sure they dont take him out of context. That is true. But the president also has a history of dehumanizing language and disparaging language against all immigrants. I have my panel back with me now. Sabrina, i do think some newsrooms make poor choices here. I also think it was blown out of proportion by trumps allies. What should the media report in this context . Rather than looking for the next sensational headline, i think the media needs to shift gears and look at whats driving this administrations agenda on immigration. Ms13 ignores that. Ms13 gang members account for less than 1 of other gang members in the united states. They are less likely to commit violent crime. That is true for most studies even as the population has risen. They are trying to get him to dramatically restrict immigration laws and that is where the focus should be. John, is it appropriate for the president to call anyone an animal, even if they are sadistic gang members . I think thats something to watch out for, the history of political leaders dehumanizing opponents and even gang members is a dangerous one. That is not something we should accept from an american president. Yes, comments should be reported in context, but its also saying look at the real facts. Look at the substance. Deportation of undocumented workers without criminal accusations against them are up. Also, be aware of the victim card. Its also around the immigrants over time. Keep in mind this is an old game the white house plays. Trump says something incredibly offensive and then he comes out and says it was fake news, it was dataken out of context, it s just a joke or something. So he gets to slam the media as well as get his offcolor comments out there. Dont fall for it. And whatever the socalled con tek of t context of the animals remark, what people heard was different. He was stigmatizing immigrants. Thank you for joining us. To our viewers at home, ill see you next week. State of the union is next. Another gun tragedy. 10 people dead after a gunman opened fire inside a texas high school. I was scared for my life. Nobody should feel that pain. Has fear become the new normal for students in america . Everyone must Work Together at every level of government to keep our children safe