Clinton cash raises questions of conflicts of interests between donations to bill Clintons Foundation and his wifes Public Policy while she was secretary of state. In deals from kazakhstan to columbia. The fact it was written by Peter Schweizer brought up its own questions ever could be flikts of interest. Some of his previous books include do as i say not as i do profiles in liberal hypocrisy and the more sus sinksly titled and this is ream makers and takers why conservatives work harder feel happier, give more generously whine less and even hug their children more than liberals. So clearly, clearly its hard to tell if he has any bias. Harsh. Still, the impact of the book has been remarkable. Yes, there was an hourlong special from fox news owned by Rupert Murdoch but the book was released early to the New York Times and the Washington Post. They expanded on some of the books allegations which fed the media beast and prompted the times to observe the book had more impact because thethe times had given it more impact. Compared to other anticlinton book clinton cash is potentially more unsettling both because ever its focused reporting and because major news organizations, including the times, Washington Post, and fok news have exclusive agreements with the author to pursue the story lines found in the book. Exclusive agreements with the author . Well that raised eyebrows. The times even public editor investigated the agreement and concluded the times should have been more clear with readers about the nature of this arrangement. One of the coauthors of the timz timz piece defended it. It was no different than a tip that we received from any potential source. There were no agreements as to what we were write. There was no agreement as to when we would write it or what we would not write about. So the idea that we were somehow struck a deal with him is really false. I mean we accepted this is a tip in the same way that i receive them interest all ends of the partisan political spectrum. Joining me is peter sha wiser. Welcome to you. Thanks for having me. Congratulations on getting all this attention from seth meyers to the New York Times. Let me ask you in 30 seconds to give us your reporting headline if you bumped into somebody on the street and they said what is the Bumper Sticker, what is it . I think the Bumper Sticker is you see a pattern that indicates pay to play from foreign entities giving money to the clintons either through speaking fees or Clinton Foundation donations, and those entities get favorable action from Hillary Clinton as secretary of state. Thats the thumbnail sketch. So the questions raised we just touched upon in the introduction here about the kiks to the times and the post what was the treatment between you and these other publicationings . Yeah. I mean Mike Mcintire is right, aid copy of the galleys. I took thome the New York Times in part because i have a Story Building upon a previous rorn that the New York Times had done on kazakhstan. I took it to the Washington Post because they had done some work already on the speechmaking that bill clinton was engaging on. I took it to fox news because there was an individual there who used to have been at newsweek who i knew. Pfs simply it was simply i found some interesting thing. I might want to look into it. I did the same with abc news. There was no unique any of these guys pay you, peter, for this . Oh no absolutely not. No payments no time constraints put on no conditions put on. Absolutely not. These are all professionals as you know frank, and no they would have never tolerated a thank and i never would have asked for that. That was for the record. Let me ask you this for the record. Were you looking deliberately and hoping for this kind of pickup in the quote, unquote Mainstream Media to blunt some of the criticism that is you are just a clinton critic and this book lacks credibility as a result. I wish i had this master plan. If you look at my two previous box, extortion, it was fee turbed on 60 minutes. Pie my book before that was the subject of a 60 minutes episode and there was Mainstream Media on both of those. This book is really no different from the two previous that i have done. And its all fact driven. Yes, i am a conservative. I say that. But i have gone after republicans. I have gone after conservatives. The focus is really on corruption and i think facts are facts. So let me ask you this question and this for people who havent followed this very closely is also the substance of the 4,000word piece that thethe New York Times wrote which is this deal for the russians to buy this Uranium Company that was up in canada with the two brothers the Business Partners there were making contributions to the Clinton Foundation after the deal went through. Bill clinton got a very lucrative speech in russia as part of all this. Hillary clinton is now secretary of state, and the connection or the not the connection but the implication here is that there was some pay to play. But, but i have heard over and over again, no smoking gun here and i want to show you and the audience this montage the Clinton Campaign put together with you out making these pictures to the media and their response. No indication that Hillary Clinton or bill clinton took direct action. Theres no evidence i was not in any of these meetings. Theres no smoking gun. I cant look into Hillary Clintons mind. And there hasnt been a there there. Weve been vuthinvestigative work at abc news and found no proov of any kind of direct action. What do you say to all the media organizes that looked into this core accusation in the book around said theres no there there or no smoking gun there . Frank, im an author and a journalist. I dont have subpoena power. Let me just ask this very basic question. If this were a secretary of defense, it were not the clintons they had a Small Company that needed pentagon approval of something, and nine individuals in that Small Company had sent 145 million to a private foundation that the secretary of defense had and the secretary of defenses spouse had received inflated spike edd sfeking fees during the spim of thistime of this approval. Would the media take their word for it. Would investigators take their word for it . No. They would say this is something that needs to be investigated and thats my position. And this notion that an author has to provide the smoking gun is absurd. All of these why is that absurd . If theres a core allegation is it enough just to raise the question . If you did that if you were writing for a major newspaper, theyd send you back and say you havent got the story yet. No. I disagree completely. I dont think the news standard at any news outlet would be if you demonstrate a Small Company has send 145 million to a Foundation Connected to the secretary of defense and the secretary of defense had business before them youre telling me news organizations wouldnt run with that story . Of course they would. The question is is what do you do with that information and in the book you show it again and again and again and again. So the question becomes are these just all serious coincidences or is there Something Else afoot you have said that you are trying to change the narrative, its clinton narrative in the media. A lot of folks say theres plenty of criticism in the media and lots of questions have been raised. Are you trying to change the narrative and if so to what . No. My focus has been over the last five years on crony capital inch and that is what i see this as a story. This is not about ideology. This is about a family the clintons who have become enormously wealthy in the postpresident ial years, and i would argue and i think the evidence is clear a lot of it has to do with the fact that former president bill clintons wife had very real power and could do favors for people that needed it done at the state department. Thats a serious area of inquiry. This goes to the heart of crony capitalism self enrichment. I want to ask you this question who is funding you and who is funding your foundation . Yes. And some of that has been out in the media. We have a variety of donors. They are politically conservative. Theyre not all republicans, and they all dont have a consensus about a particular candidate, but i will tell you and i think our research is clear on this i have never had a donor tell me dont look into this person or dont look into this area. That has never been a restriction. And our evidence is clear. My last book on extortion i was soundly denounced and criticized by speaker of the house john boehner. So the idea that this is just about republicans or democrats is absurd and is a way of deflecting of the real substantial of whats in the book. It is worth noting and thats why i did that your support, your financial support, is from conservatives, including from the Koch Brothers and others. You have not denied that so thats out there for all to know but i want it to be out there for all to know. Yes. I would just correct the record and youre right, they have in the past. The Koch Brothers did not fund this Research Project. They didnt fund the Research Project but they funded your foundation. Yes. You have made comments that 10 , this 10 comment that you made that 10 of whats gone owe the Clinton Foundation has gone to charitable foundations to do the work. Theres been a lot of digging that shows that is not the case. Are you prepared to withdraw it . No and i make that point. If you look at my comments in context, i say their Charitable Giving to other foundations but as i point out they are positioning themselves as a Management Consultant to work with other charities. I make that clear. That 10 figure is accurate and true. The problem is the Clinton Foundation is an unusual charity. Charity navigator wont rate them because of a quote, unquote, usual business model. The Better Business bureau has dinged them for Serious Problems with their internal practices. That all stands and that all is accurate and true. 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Supporting millions of new jobs. Billions in tax revenue. And a new century of American Energy security. The new Energy Superpower . Its red, white and blue. Log on to learn more. Big day . Ah, the usual. Moved some new cars. Hauled a bunch of steel. Kept the supermarket shelves stocked. Made sure everyone got their latest gadgets. Whats up for the next shift . Ah, nothing much. Just keeping the lights on. laugh nice. Doing the big things that move an economy. See you tomorrow, mac. See you tomorrow, sam. Just another day at norfolk southern. Welcome back. And now a look at the media that cover sports and whether theyre reliable sources. New England PatriotsQuarterback Tom Brady and deflategate are back in the headlines after the wells report found it was more probable than not, their words, that brady was aware of those improperly deflated footballs. Reporter bob kravitz broke the deflategate story and ignited the Media Firestorm that followed. For him wednesdays official report was vintdication after his reporting that drew disdain and even Death Threats. He wrote, the people who disappointed him most were the folks at the globes website boston. Com. They were renowned pom pom wear wearers so it wasnt a surprise. But i was struck at the enthusiasm they displayed by carrying the patriots water. How should Sports Reporters balance the play by play and star culture of the field with the business of journalism and the job of tough questions . So the joining me now is bob kravitz, that sports column frist wth r and Christine Brennan usa today sports columnist as well. Welcome to you both. Bob, let me start with you. That story that you report how did you get it and tell us again about what the responses were. Well you know it was a night of the afc championship game and i received a text roughly 10 00, 10 30. I did not see it until midnight because i was doing some tv postpost postgame work. And it was from a source saying call me its really important. I called the source roughly midnight 12 10. I was told what was going on with the deflated footballs. I then was able to confirm it with a second source so i tweeted it out at 12 55, and then i watched twitter blow up. Before twitter blew up did you know instantly that oh my gosh this is a big story here . Yeah. Aid pretty good idea. You know, yeah i did. You know i mean i have broken a few stories along the way. When chuck pagano had cancer. I broke that. I knew that would be a big deal. I knew this would have farreaching consequences. I knew and twitter blew up. What do you mean . Twitter blew up. Absolutely everybody first, the First Response was who the heck is bob kravitz. They expect stories to be broken by adam shefter and Chris Mortenson who do break most of the stories nationally and then it was a lot of people saying it was sour grapes. It was the colts deflectingattempting to deflect from the fact they got walloped on the field. Seriously Death Threats . Absolutely. Along the way throughout the process of the last id say 100 and some odd days i have had people threaten my wellbeing. Not to the point where i got protection. I have always felt like i dont worry about people who tell me theyre going to kill me. I worry about the people who dont give me advance notice. Okay. Thats something for us to think about. Christine brennan, let me bring you into this because you heard what bob just said and you have broken your fair share of stories and you certainly have broken a fair bit of glass in your career and in your columns. What is the job of a sports journalist journalist . Is a sports journalist supposed to be cheering for the team and giving his play by play or is the sports jumpist supposed to be working sources and making people uncomfort. Latter 100 . Exactly what bob kravitz did is what were supposed to be doing all the time. Im not sure your readers and your fans want to read that. Youre right. Theyre fans but year journalists. Every now and then rarely who do you cheer for . Who is your people ask you who you cheer for . Right. Nobody. Im cheering for the story. Bob, people ask you who you cheer for . All the time. In indianapolis there. What do you say . I say the same thing. I say i root for the story and you give up you dont give up much when you go into this business but you do give up your fan card. And, of course, though bob, as you know well we signed up for this. This is exactly what we want to do. The stories, frank, its just incredible whats happened over the last ten years. Bob will agree. From Jerry Sandusky and penn state, jameis winston, lance armstrong, now this. Of course, the very ray rice. Domestic violence and ray rice. Sports takes us to a National Conversation in a way nothing else can. And its fascinating and wonderful conversation to have whether its about horrible things like Jerry Sandusky or doughmestic violence or its a multimultimillion business as we see with issues of concussion and other things. There are major issues we need to be aware of. Im not really sure that most of the sports journalists i know and some of the young people who want to get into it think thats what theyre going into. They think theyre covering teams. I think a lot of the young people want to go they want to be bill simmons. They want to be they want to market themselves and become stars. They want to, you know go to the ballpark and hobnob with ball players and managers and coaches and gms and, you know, i mean i grew up at a time when, you know i kind of grew up in the watergate era and have always been told that, you know whether youre covering sports or youre covering politics you need to cover it the same way. You need to afflict the comfortable as they say. Bob, you raised bill simmons and, chris, i want to ask you about that because bill simmons got booted from espn. They didnt go into great detail. He got sauce penduspended when he attacked the nfl commissioner. Espn has a gigantic conflict with the nfl. Isnt this a there are people at espn who have a good job at journalism. I personally love the fact that with my affiliation with sausm today, with cnn, others that im on the outside throwing hand grenades in. I am very uncomfortable being part of anything that is involving the production and the rights fees. Look at the olympics. How can nbc cover the International Olympic committee and those issues we got into putin and sochi, whatever when of course theyre financially together as partners on the Olympic Games . Its a huge issue but i think there are journalists out there like bob and many others who are still doing it the right way and not worried about the money. Thats why were going to shine a bright light on both of you now and for i dont ever. Thats a promise. Bring it on. Thanks so much. When we come back well go back to baltimore and questions of coverage there. This time did sympathy for the protesters get in the way of tough questions for the states attorney as she brought charges against six cops implicated in the death of freddie gray. Welcome back. The street peace has returned to baltimore but is the press doing the story justice. Its been two weeks since the National Media descended on baltimore to cover the riots and protests which subsided after the states attorney walked into the National Spotlight and announced charges of Police Brutality in the death of freddie gray. To the people of baltimore and the demonstrators across america, i heard your call for no justice, no peace. Your peace is sincerely needed. As i work to deliver justice on behalf of this young man. Counter charges were quick to follow like these made by former Deputy States attorney paige crowder. She didnt use the tools available to her. She herself is terribly inexperienced. She never personally was involved in any cases of these magnitude and further of all you can look at the charges themselves that tell you that she doesnt have her ducks in a row. Now, the National Spotlight on baltimore has faded a bit but the story is no less important. So how are the media doing as the case moves through the legal system and what one of our next guests calls a vicious war of words. Joining me now, David Zurawick wrote, what media should learn from the freddie gray case for the Baltimore Sun and charles blow who wrote restoring faith in justice for the New York Times. Thank you for being here. David, first to you. Whats the answer to that question . What have the media learned and how are they doing on the story . I think the media has learned a lot. Just the Baltimore Sun has 60 journalists on it six oh at the baltimore son and were still on it. It may not be 24 7 like it was but we are still on it. So in one sense you talk about the paper in the hometown absolutely all over it. I think cnn, cnn last friday still had three reporters in baltimore. They are still covering the story why did it tyke so long and why did it take the former states attorney to raise questions about the tools mosby was using in going into the prosecution 1234. I think part of this is mostly political. We live in this awful ideological warfare that we live in today, and this story, this is one of my sort of great concerns about where this story is going. Its starting to shift into that. People want you know on the right what do you mean . Ill tell you. In media or the in media. There are people on the right who are saying this isnt a story about a young man dying in the back of a police van. Its a story about 50 years of failed democratic liberal leadership in baltimore. People are trying to spin it for their ideological reasons, and thats the danger about where this story is right now. Charles blow do you see this story becoming politicized in the Media Coverage now that the dust has settinged and the smoke has cleared from the streets . No necessarily think its politicized in the Media Coverage but it is certainly politicized in the public at large. I certainly agree with that point, and i believe that all of these incidences of kind of social justice and the intersections of policing and communities of color have been politicized from the very moment that people started to draw attention to them because some way we get lost and pulled apart from the idea that there is someone who was alive who is no longer alive because they encountered the police and that should not be. And we need to look into every one of those cases, and if it turns out that the police used an appropriate amount of force, then great, but thats not a political issue. Thats not a left and right issue. That is a wrong and right issue charles i want to quote from a piece that you wrote restoring faith in justice on may 4th about the states attorney here. Mosby seemed to recognize in that moment she was out there that this case and others like it are now about more than individual deaths and individual incidents but about rest medication or a formation for faith for all american citizens in the american Justice System itself. Are you suggesting that this is not about the case at hand and that the media should somehow not cover this in terms of the case at hand but be looking at this larger issue . There is absolutely nothing in what you just read that suggested in any way that that was the about the media not covering it about the case at hand p. M. Hand. Im extrapolating from that. Youre extrapolateing in the wrong way. What im asking is when you pose the premise here that this is about something bigger, which it may be is it still not about this particular case and is that not where the media youre setting that up as an either or which it is absolutely not, right . So it is both about this particular case but also i believe that and she was in that moment saying understanding that there is a bigger crisis of conscience in america and whether or not people have faith in the Justice System and shes an instrument of that Justice System. For you to say it can only be one or the other is just the preposition of the question is not correct. Frank, let me say honestly i read charles in saying it is about this case but this case resides within a larger continuum and one of those continuums starts in sanford, florida, and it goes through Staten Island and it goes through North CharlestonSouth Carolina and we now have seen those citizen videos of that and especially for White America, they may not have understood a lot of people in White America may not have understood that a black man can be stopped by the police in this country and be innocent of anything to be stopped and wind up dead. I think blacks and africanamericans under1250d that in the country. I dont think white people did. It does reside in terms of that arc that starts in sanford. It also resides in a an even larger earthquake that goes larger arc that goes back to Race Relations in this country. I have read nothing in charles work that says he doesnt understand if i conveyed that my apologies apologies. It is often difficult for media could cover stories in multiple layers. And there was a lot of criticism as you know when the media descended on baltimore because suddenly baltimore was in flames and whats happening in the meantime. What im wondering about and somewhat concerned about here is that can we do can the media do all these things and still stay focused on the merits of this case with the specificity they need . Charles, i will let you take that. I think we can walk and chew gum at the same time. We can look at the specifics the case. I think the local media is doing a fantastic job of that just following the ins and outs of the case following the facts as they present themselves and i think we can also the media writ large can also give context historical and National Context to what is happening in baltimore that can give economic context to that. They can give kind of Historical Context to that in terms of the way africanamericans have historically been treated by the police. In fact from the very formation of the police that grew out of a way to kind of control these kind of populations of people and if we can do that boebtth things, that helps to elevate the conversation to be both specific to one thing but also kind of global about the issue of oppression and about use of force and about policing. Okay. Charles blow thank you very much. David, you got your assignment now so im going to let you go back and talk to the 60 folks at the Baltimore Sun and elsewhere and make sure you get it right. Thank you both for being here. Thank you. It is mothers day and social media is alive with tributes for the world to see. For residents of the u. S. Military bases it was a different tweet from the proper group isis that led them to living under increased security measures. Up next a look at isis use of social media and how the United States is or isnt fighting back. Big day . Ah, the usual. Moved some new cars. Hauled a bunch of steel. Kept the supermarket shelves stocked. Made sure everyone got their latest gadgets. Whats up for the next shift . Ah, nothing much. Just keeping the lights on. laugh nice. Doing the big things that move an economy. See you tomorrow, mac. See you tomorrow, sam. Just another day at norfolk southern. Welcome back. Now a case of social media becoming antisocial media. This morning u. S. Military bases are on increased alert in part do to a troubling tweet. The suspect jihadist who may be linked to last weeks attack on that antimuhammad event in texas revealed on twitter the address of an officer training syrian rebels. Isis the she have proclaimed terror Group Actively recruitings social media. As the news media figure out how to cover isis is isis pursuing a deliberate and destructive media strategy of its own. Here to take us inside is the coauthor of the book isis, inside the army of terror ction michael weiss. Thanks for having me on. Lets start. The isis slogan dont hear about us hear from us what does it mean and how is the group using social media to recruit, convince and persuade these folks to fall in line and do these things . Well they have a very strategic and savvy propaganda conceit which is that if you go back to the 90s or the 80s when jihadism was still a rather marginal affair, these guys had to rely on how the western press would disseminate their messages. You had journalists like Lawrence Wright going to interview osama bin laden, robert fisk for the times of london. Isis doesnt take kindly to western journalists and they have created their own journalistic platform. They have a television station, radio station. They use twitter and social media to disseminate the propaganda and the message right from the source. What theyre doing is theyre saying you cannot rely on the western news cycle because this is all lies. This is all spon sir si. Theyre depicting the false nature of the caliphate project and what the brothers in mosul are doing and how were helping all muslims and were the safeguards and guarantors of sunni islam. Its powerful so do the media fall into the trap of perpetuating this amplifying this even in the conversations were having now talking about how they use social media . Its a catch22 because if we dont cover it were not doing our job. If we do cover it we are playing directly into the hands of isis. They are looking to control the emotional response through their acts and the emotional response is controlled by how they know the western press is going to be covering these things. The james foley beheading, threats against the u. S. Homeland this increased terror alert. The idea that theyre docksing u. S. Military officials, giving out the home addresses of retired or as you pointed out active service guys they know this is going to be on the 24 7 news cycle and i remember vividly after 9 11 we had conversations throughout the media about even pictures that we put up of bin laden if he was wearing his watch on his right wrist or left wrist, was that a signal to others . What responsibility and we really deliberated over that. What responsibility does twitter, does facebook does instagram have with respect to social media . All of these platforms and many others are taking accounts offline. The problem is say, twitter, its a game of whack a mole. You have thousands upon thousands of isis accounts that spring up like mushrooms in the night. You take one down and five more appear. In fact in their manuals or in their dictates to people who arent even necessarily part of the organization they say follow these accounts to get yourself started and then here is a secondary and tertiary set of accounts to follow in case the primary set is removed. This is the genius i suppose, of the isis strategy. If the u. S. Government if counterterrorism officials convince private orptions to remove these accounts isis then says, you see, we told you. The infidels dont want the truth to come out. Theyre trying to silence us. What do they have to hide . People who are inclined to join them think theres some truth to that let me ask you this last question then. Going forward knowing what weve seen and what you would anticipate what do you expect from isis in terms of how theyre going to be using media Going Forward . Is this an evolving strategy that theyve got here . Its very evolving. Theyre very quick to adapt. When the internet was first kind of conceived, i suppose, there was a lot of utopian nonsense about how this was going to liberate the conversation and everybody, you know, would have a voice. What i dont think was properly anticipated by a lot of futuristicminded people was authoritarians and totalitarians can also figure out how to use technology and in many cases theyre much more adroit at using it and theyre ahead of the curve. Isis is one of these. In the researching of our book hassan and i discovered a platform nobody knew existed called zellow which live streams ser sermons to isis members in the region. The upper command of this organization is populated by former baathists in the Saddam Hussein regime. They know how to do Information Warfare and intelligence and counter new jersey and we need to take that seriously. Sophisticated and evolving. Thank you very much for being here. My pleasure. Very informative. When we come back reality tv continues to push the boundaries of exploitation. Many critics are saying a es eight minutes is a reality show about sex workers rescuing sex workers, a show that crossed the line. Meet the worlds newest Energy Superpower. Surprised . In fact, america is now the worlds number one natural gas producer. And we could soon become number one in oil. Because Hydraulic Fracturing Technology is safely recovering lots more oil and natural gas. Supporting millions of new jobs. Billions in tax revenue. And a new century of American Energy security. The new Energy Superpower . Its red, white and blue. Log on to learn more. And welcome back. How much is too much in Reality Television . Each new series seems to push the envelope a little more. Critics say a es recent reality show eight minutes went too far into outright exploitation. In the series sex workers are contacted by a pastor and former cop who poses as a client then stages an intervention offering the women help if they choose to leave the life. Because of my experience as a police officer, i learned about the man np lation mind control that the women suffer. It really put a astor side by side with church international, and together with other volunteers we go out basically and rescue victims of human trafficking. You have eight minutes. Hey. How are you . Very well thank you. Come on in please. Oh, man, im good. Im good now that youre here. 180. I thought we agreed upon 160 is what i remember. Right . I am a pastor. Wow. And im not here to have sex with you or anything else. Just think if you had resources, people who could walk you through the system to get help. I have help for you right now. Do you want to take it . Thats like the most awesomest thing ive ever heard in my life. One woman who appeared on the show camila says the whole premise of the show is a lie. She tweeted this this show is using prostitutes for interviews and luring them with promises of a better life. They do nothing. Shortly after buzzfeed published this article sex workers claimed a e show lied to them about providing resources and protecting their privacy. Well a e quietly canceled the show after airing just five episodes. So what was all this about . And what about the ethics of a program like this . Joining me now is dalida miller a an antisex trafficking advocate as well as a cast member on eight minutes. And jenna posner author of reality bites back. We asked a e to join us. They declined. We asked them for a statement. They declined that too. Thanks to you both for being here. Daalida, i want to start with you. Is this appropriate material do you think for a Television Show . You were making it. I think that there does need to be a Television Show that brings awareness to the issue. But again, i was only a cast member. Now, youve made it your lifes work to fight sex trafficking. So clearly you think thats a problem. Do you think a program like this is a way to address the problem, solve the problem . Absolutely not. But i do believe that it is a way to bring awareness to the public. Okay. Let me turn to you, jennifer. What are your thoughts on a program like this and its role . Well i think like almost every reality show in the genre its based on exploitation and manipulation both of the cast and of the viewers. You know you saw in the clip that the pastor star of the show promises to save women from manipulation and mind control. But in the name of doing that they manipulated and falsely framed this entire thing, making the womens lives worse. How were they manipulating . Just by having the camera there . What do you mean . No. The cameras themselves are not the problem. The promise of resources and job and Housing Support and health care and dental support that never happens after the show thats a problem. Dlita did that happen let me ask. Dlita. There were all these promises of help and resources. Were they ever offered to your knowledge . Yes, they were. None of the sex workers say that they were. Five women who were involved who were paid 200 each to show up for this show say that the promises of aid in all sorts of material ways were never never materialized and if this show actually wanted to aid and help the women who they said they were going to aid, they wouldnt stage a fake narrative where the preacher is actually bargaining them down on air. They promised them 200. How much were you paid to be in it dlita . Im sure it was more than 200. Lets ask d lita both to answer that question and would you address the issue of were these resource thats were promised you say they were provided give us an example. Well prior to the show you know i cant speak about production and promises. I can only speak about what i was involved in. But i myself personally sat down with a team of Service Providers in houston that provide services to Trafficking Victims, met with an advocate who advocates as well as has a Program Inside of the jails, to try and make sure that resources were available. Now, all across the u. S. Because this isnt something that i do just in front of a camera or in houston. This is something i do in think daily life. And i find myself and others that work in this field scrambling for resources all of the time. Now youre saying i dont mean to interrupt. But i just want to be clear. The resources that youre saying were advertised and promised in the show were delivered there. Lets establish that. Youre saying yes. Well what i am saying is that there were 41 women who were reached on the show and we have four five and im not saying whether theyre lying or telling the truth. What i am saying is that we offered them the resources that we had available. Now, when it comes to resources for these types of women or people you have resources such as emergency shelter. If they are a Trafficking Victim whos in an emergency situation, then there were resources to go to safe housing. And if they raised that, if they raised that issue that they need that. Jennifer i know you want to jump in quickly. If they raised that issue that they need that. So heres the thing. That brings up another point. Many of the women who participated in this show were not actually Trafficking Victims. Sex workers, some of them are trafficked many of them are not trafficked. Many of them are doing this work because they dont have any other financial resources. Choice of course is a loaded term in a climate where women are often in poverty. But this show often preyed on impoverished women who werent trafficked but were in the industry because they didnt have other options. And that is the who were promised economic and housing and medical support and then were not given any of it. And women who are sex workers are actually workers, and they need jobs. They need access. They need money. They need any number of things that were promised and denied. They need more than a preacher and a prayer and a hotline number for therapy, which is most of the women say they were given. Were going to have to leave it there. I thank you both very much for this. And again, we asked a e to comment. They did not. Well be right back. E and forget about it. But the more you learn about your coverage, the more gaps you may find. [burke] like how you thought you were covered for this. [man] its a profound statement. [burke] but youre not even covered for this. [man] its a profound statement. [burke] or how you may be covered for this. [burke] but not for Something Like this. [burke] talk to farmers and see what gaps could be hiding in your coverage. 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