very funny. >> all right, that's enough. off you go. we'll be right back. get off. russel brand. who knows what miegt happen. this is "piers morgan tonight." >> good evening. imagine a world in which a first lady divorces a philandering commander in chief and loses to a less experienced rival and then becomes secretary of state. ridiculous. well, not quite that ridiculous, but this is the world of political animals. who better to play that secretary of state than sigorney weaver. she grossed $4 billion worldwide. she's played the toughest female character in movies of the "alien" film. welcome. >> thank you so much. i'm very flattered. i'm delighted to be here. >> the $4 billion woman. that must make you feel great. >> i actually didn't know. now i'll know how to greet myself in the morning. >> that should be your number one thing on your calling card. >> i'll have a t-shirt made. what more do you need to know. >> let's talk about politics. this tv show that everyone is going crazy for. it's very realistic. and, clearly, most people assume it's loosely based on hillary clinton's story. do you agree with that? >> you know, i think if it had been hillary's story, i probably wouldn't have done it, as much as i admire her. but as soon as i started reading it, i was hooked. i think it's inspired not only by mrs. clinton, but, also, by madeline albright. the idea that we've had three very capable women secretaries of state but we are not yet willing to entertain the notion of a woman president. >> why is that? >> that's one of the things that our series is trying to find out. it's almost like when a woman says i believe i would be a good president. she's considered ambitious, which, in a woman, is unatraktive. it's one of the things that come up in our show in a very interesting way. >> america is changing fast. in all sorts of ways, you know, with gay marriage and all of these issues, really gathering great momentum. do you feel like the whole area to the concept of the female president may change very quickly? >> well, i suppose it could. but you sound more optimistic than i feel. >> i am quite optimistic. there is a lot of smart women around. hillary clinton is an example of someone i could see being elected. >> i agree. the fact is we are almost 51% of the population and 16% of the reesentation. so the fact that women aren't even running for local office, although it's changing, it's a great shame because i actually think women are very effective leaders, very practical. we actually listen. we work together. we have a different approach to leading and participating. and i think it's the kind of influence that would be very good to have in washington right now. >> you have a fascinating back grounld. your father, an extraordinary character. he was nelson rockfeller's campaign manager. do you remember that period at all? his political life? >> well, i do. i do. i was sent out into the street to campaign for rocky myself against nixon in the primary. i think i was a teenager and, i wasn't aware of too much going on, but i still am aware that he wasn't the kind of candidate we have anymore. >> right. and what did you make of nixon? what did that do to your view of politics? >> well, my father told us a wonderful story. he had some show called make me laugh. and he decided for the first show to do it on capitol hill with three different senators. and i guess the third guest -- and the concept of the show was they would have different comedians like henny youngman pitching jokes and trying to make these guys laugh. so nixon was the last one and they pitched one joke at him, no response. second joke, no sponls. finally, the third joke, there was a pause an then nixon laughed. and at the cocktail party afterward, nixon came up to my father and said you know, pat, i didn't really need to laugh, but i thought i'd look better if i did. and, you know, it's -- >> that's a great impression, by the way. >> well, i don't know. but i've never forgotten that story. my father, who was a republican, call nixon "tricky dicky" every single time he referred to him. >> was your father quietly smug when he came crashing down? >> i think he was heartbroken for the country. he didn't want to see a republican be that stupid. especially nixon. >> it would be great to say america learned its lesson, politics cleaned up its act. et cetera, et cetera. but you see the emergence of what, to me, as joan mccain told me, it is surely a recipe for scandalous disaster. the super pact, to go out under freedom of speech and basically try to buy elections. this could only end in tears. >> it doesn't make sense to me because it means you have the wealth to buy more freedom of speech than people who don't. so, to me, it -- it makes it such an unfair competition. and means that the special interests will be much more represented than the will of the people. and i think that that's -- the people need us to be attentive to them. and that's one reason why i love playing elaine barish hammond. she has a strong moral copass and has a big heart. >> sounds rather familiar. >> i admire elaine. >> let's take a look at elaine. >> elaine, your husband, himself, sent me to mexico to negotiate the release of those american citizens. >> that was mexico and two college students smuggling a volvo of pot. this is aran accusing innocent americans of being spies. >> great line. it was a great line with what you came out with. you said after eating salad for a couple of years, i was offered a big, juicy steak. i took out my fork and knife and went right. this is your first big tv role. >> i think it's the best role i've ever had. you know, what's fascinating to me is you play this very eloquent, passionate woman who is so capable. and then, at the same time, you draw back the vail of their private life. and you're in the kitchen and living room and bedrooms of this family. and, you know, as capable as she is in the world, she's as powerless as all the rest of parents, you know, when it comes to her own family. and, you know, the families, you know, you fall in love with them. and i must say i'm part of a brilliant ensemble with the cast. >> do you have more sympathy for top poiticians having been through the process of making the series? do you feel more empathy with the pressures that go with that kind of job? >> that's an interesting question. i don't think i do. no. >> that's a good answer. >> i don't think i do because i think it's very easy to get subverted into all of the polling. i think that what we skppt from politicians which we don't expect from shallow celebrities like myself is they do speak truth to power and that they are consistent and they have a real commitment to the big picture, as they see it. and to see candidates changing their history and their point of view, depending on who's paying for the ads or whatever. it does make one very cynical. when i was working on capital hill as a student, i worked for a congressman. and i was in charge of gun control. and i was, in spite of "alien", i was quite passionately pro-gun control. and this guy sent out two letter, one to people who were pro-gun control and one to people who were against gun control. it's still shocking to me. >> do you see principle anywhere on capitol hill these days? do you think that is the kind of -- again, justice skelea says he sees nobody involving politics to compare with the founding fathers. the guys who created the federalist papers, it was a fascinating moment that this guy has been in the supreme court just 25 years, clearly believes there's a malaise in ability and principle. >> i think there is probably in the actual, you know, the body politic. but i think if you look at individual senators like patrick leahy or like olympia snow, there's so many individuals that i admire. i don't know why they can't seem to get things done. but i know that, for instance, senator snow is retiring because she said it's -- it's just too discouraging. >> ho do you think president obama has done? >> well, i think -- i thought it was very interesting that he said he's really concentrated on policy. because that makes sense to me with his character. and one of the things that's come up with this show is to what extent any of these people are political animals. and i have a feeling, for instance, clinton, johnson, maybe nixon, some of these people were real political animals. he's a policy walk. i think he's trying, very sincerely, to get the policy correct for people to support people. and then it's a different kind of political animal that puts it through. i think -- >> i think that's the best observation i've heard about. i keep asking politicians why there's paralysis. but, actually, that is probably why you have to play the game in a smarter, more malleable way. possibly the less principle way. you know? dark deals done in corridors. >> you know, i thi you can't take it personally. and i think that's why i would make a terrible politician. i think that you have to have a very thick skin. and i think that, you know, for instance, hillary clinton has done such a remarkable job as secretary of state, i admire her so much. i hope the show doesn't irritate her because it really isn't about her. [ laughter ] >> but, you know, you must have to be so thick-skinned to stay objective and diplomatic in these situations. you know, i go down to washington to talk to congressmen about the environment or in favor of the arts, et cetera. and, sometimes, people say things to you that, you know, you could get into a fistfight about. and you, you know, you can't do that, obviously, that doesn't help matters. but i admire people who can manage to just, you know, continuously drive their message through without getting emotionally involved. >> let's take a break let's come back and talk avatars and aliens and all of these little things you've been involved with. syou know, i've helped a lot off people save a lot of money. but today...( sfx: loud noise of large metal object hitting the ground) things have been a little strange. (sfx: sound of piano smashing) roadrunner: meep meep. meep meep? (sfx: loud thud sound) what a strange place. geico®. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. >> get away from her! >> sigourney weaver in her first oscar nomination film. what was like for you. it was such a huge phenomenon. you've come out with with this great line, i've always regretted having such a serious career. >> i actually can't believe i'm in a serious television series, although we do try to get in as many jokes as we can. but i think, yes, ripley is -- listen, i can understand it, but she's not a barrel of laughs. so i'm still waiting for my comedy career takeoff. >> well, i liked you in "working girl." it was one of my favorite fim ms, actually. >> yes. and as such, we have a uniform. simple, elegant, impeccable. dress shabbily, they notice the gresz. dress impeccably, they notice the woman. cocoa chanel. >> how do i like? >> you look terrific. you might want to rethink the jewelry. >> i love that. you've got another oscar nomination for that. apart from the strawberry hair. >> that was a great movie. i got to work with the great mike nicholas, as well. >> "avatar," i went to see "avatar" here in new york, actually. i was absolutely transfixed by the cinema -- what do you call it? >> magic? >> yeah, it really was. it wasn't even magic. it was an incredible experience. >> immerive experience. >> i like that rksz yes. immerive. what was it like to make? was it weirdly disconnected? i kept seeing clips in very pale rooms. >> you were in a big, empty room. and you were in a little black suit with ears and tails and a camera. but, in fact, at that point, the science fiction sort of paused because we were really just actors finding the scene. and jim cameron had this round camera in which you could see what your character would look like 7 feet tall and blue. and all he would do, he's transformed the business so much that he would only have to capture one perfect mast ir and then he could come back in without any of the actors there and through what the cameras had captured, do all of the coverage. so he would only have to shoot one -- >> it's amazing. >> it's amaing. and i hope that's contagious and regular films can figure that out as well. genius. >> i think he is a gene use. >> speaking of genius, your father. he created "the today show" and he created what was the original "tonight show." i it's amazing. do you think this is where you got the love of the business? >> i think i did. he loved the business. he loved the people in the business he especially loved comedy. he loved mixing russel with a chimpanzee or what have you. it was also a tough business. i think i grew up thinking it was a great business but also knowing my father never got discouraged. but he did try to start a fourth network twice. he did pioneer the first cable television network and was put out of business illegally by the theater owners. we had a lot of death threats. so i could see it was a rough business, as well. >> when you see the sort of andy warhol 15 minutes of fame, does it depress you? does it bother you? are you not really phased by it? does it diminish what used to be stars on pedestals? >> well, i think fame is the least valuable thing that a successful career gives you. i think it's actually the one, you know, not to complain, but it's the one downside, i think, of being successful. what i think we have missed is that in the early days, we had so many dpraet theater actors, so international actors would recollecting in hollywood and there was much more of a live experience of theater. and i think the public really adored actors. could appreciate what they did. their training. and, you know, i think especially in europe, for instance, someone who could tell a compelling story and keep everyone, you know, calm or keep everyone entertained. that's a power. and that's a talent. and nowadays, i think it's so much about making it look easy it's very hard for the public to tell it is hard. acting is really hard. it really is challenging. it takes years for a lot of us to get it rielgt. but how could they tell? how could they possibly tell that this is something noble an difficult to achieve. >> your mother was english. i discovered literally seconds before we went on the air. very excited, by the way. clearly all of your talent comes from english blood. that's a fantastic story. >> they used to have to provide their own costumes at rada. and vivian was already married to a wealthy man in may fair. so my mother's mother would send these hideous costumes made and she would always beg vivian to let her borrow the next act's costume. it's three different actresses in the year would play three different acts of the same character. >> the only thing longer and more successful than your acting career has been your marriage to jim simpson. it will make it 30 years you've been together? >> is that true? 28. >> nearly 30. >> so actually my career is longer. [ laughter ] >> you're in a business where, you know, divorce come and go, like, the number 9 buss. how have you managed to avoid that? >> gosh, i don't really know. i think i was very lucky to find someone as -- i think he's a brilliant man. he's a theer director. so he understands what i'm doing, why i'm probably sometimes preoccupied by the work. he's from hawaii. so he's filled with aloha. he's very supportive. he's been a great father to our daughter. >> sigourney, it's been a great pleasure. thanks for coming. it's been a real delight to meet you. thank you. coming up, the always unpredictable russel brant. just wait to see what he does tonight. ♪ ♪ i want to go ♪ i want to win ♪ this is where the dream begins ♪ ♪ i want to grow ♪ i want to try ♪ i can almost touch the sky [ breathes deeply ] ♪ so clear, so bright ♪ not a cloud in sight ♪ so gold and sweet ♪ this dream ♪ ♪ [ knocking ] ♪ [ male announcer ] even the planet has an olympic dream. dow is proud to support that dream by helping provide greener, more sustainable solutions from the olympic village to the stadium. solutionism. the new optimism.™ ♪ this dream is it more fun being the cleaner-cut, well-behaved russel? or was it honestly more fun being the nerd you were? >> it was kind of crazy that i used to hang out with pimps and hookers and junkies and crooks. but the reality of that life, you know, you can snatch that glistening pearls of amusement from it. but when that's your daily life, it's miserable other wise i would still do it. it's not a good way to live. there's no longevity in it. >> russel brand last year. a lot has happened to him since last year. that's why i like him. he's always so dangerously different. russel, welcome back. >> all right, mate. >> how the devil are you? >> do you know, i'm very, very happy today. i'm very happy to be on your show. i look different in that clip, huh? >> you do. you've got your beard back. you look more jesus-like, i don't know if you like that comparison. >> well, he was a pretty good guy. it's never going to be an insult. >> let me get one thing out of the way. i know you don't want to talk about this. and i don't particularly want to make it anymore painful than it has to be. you've got divorced at the weekend. when i spoke to you last time, you were very happily married and you were talking as if this was going to be it. how do you feel now that you're officially a single man again? >> well, i think that what happened to the weekend was just an administered finality. i don't think that makes very much difference. of course, i still feel great feelings of compassion and warmth for katie. but i'm very happy with my life. >> how is your life now? people write so much bilge about you. and i always think you're one of those guys -- you're probably one of the more misunderstood characters of public life. how is your reality at the moment? >> well, the limited amount of time i spend in reality, i quite enjoy. i try to only visit it temporarily, as i believe it to be a construct. and as for this bilge, piers morgan, you're one of the primary architects of this citadel of nonsense. you contrive to build this cloud kingdom of lives and halabalo with the understanding that people like to receive about sensationalism and madness. my life is, now, a very sort of simple life. i meditate a lot, i do a lot of yoga, i work really, really hard for my tv show on fx. i try and do nice things for other people. every day. you have to work hard to do that every day otherwise you slip into nastyism. it's a pretty kind of -- i'm like a farmer that's product is a tv show instead of tomatoes! what do you think celebrity? when i first interviewed you, you were just heading over the precipice of stardom. you seemed very unphased. it was your moment. your time. has cynicism crept in a little bit? have you become, you know, a little less excited about the whole nature of fame and celebrity? >> yes, i remember that interview very distinctly, piers. for me, it was something of a baptism of fire. my first skirmish with one of the great jewelistics of popular culture. that was you that tricked me into doing a number for how many women i'd slept with. i was, at that point, infatuated with fame. thought they would solve all of my inner problems. now, having been famous for a while, i recognize that there are benefits to it, bud that there are detrimental aspects, as well. i think the celebrity in fame and glamour, they're literally pointless. there's no value to them. when you think sort of the first people that that term famous would have been applied to, it would have been, i don't know, even in a relatively modern sense, great figures like lord byron and oscar wild and going back a bit, christ or krishna. figures of notarity and analysis. i heard a great analysis. once our heroes were gods, the gods of great tragedy, and then they were the kings of shakespeare. now we write about anybody. just ordinary ople who have nothing to apply. i don't want to condemn them because aristocracy is the celebration of people when they're born. and hereditary wealth is greatness bestowed upon people for no bloody reason. but celebrity is in and of itself is pretty bloody pointless. >> anybody can be famous for doing almost anything. is there a way to close this down? is it something society should do to try to put a lid on this before we all go completely mad? >> yes. we should focus on spiritual principles and focus on what's real. i think what we have to do is sort of say they're going to build this reality tv there's going to be e-tv, kardashians. it seems to exist. but underneath, it's not working. it's not working for me as a participant. it's not working for the people that receive it. it's not working on the young people that are covered in pink, glittering nonsense. it's because we know that somewhere within us, we're entitled to truth and reality. we don't have the language anymore. we have no relationship with mysticism. we have no relationship to the planet that we live on. now we think that this planet lists to serve us and our own individualism and own entitlement. we thought that we're much part of a greater thing. that we're very, very simple life forms as temporary custodians. >> this is magnificent stuff. this or theory. i'm going to unleash you on the american presidential race. may god help them. 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>> there isn't one, i don't think. i don't know mh about politics, but my friend explained to me that since obama's been in power, the gap between rich and poor has exacerbated, increased. i think that -- people say oh, whoever controls the supreme court it makes a difference and this kind of welfare, hetcare bill. i'm not interested in his minute political changes. i think we need a profound change to change our world. to save our world. so, yeah, i'm massively disillusioned with the current biparty political system. it's not only in america, it's the same in our country, piers. rhubarb. >> are you an american resident here? >> no, there seems to be some administrative complications due to the nature of my conduct. >> is america refusing to accept you as one of its own, russel? >> i love the american people. all of them. every single individual. i have nothing but love. but, remember, i keep getting in trouble. i have that temper and everything. >> how is your temper at the moment? >> pretty good, mostly. for the first time in my life, i've spent more time doing yoga and meditating than i do having sex. that's because i do a lot of yoga. >> let's turn to your stand up show. i know it's really your first love. probably your great love. what this is is an opportunity to look at stories behind the news. when you read the story in the paper, you think who is this agenda that you're serving. it's usually pretty funny. like the way that they'll use, like, their nationality of the story's protagonist to take it in a particular direction. the other day, there's a story in the paper, italian doctor kicks son in face at epcot center. and i thought wow, that story is more ak septemberble because it's an italian doctor. if it just said doctor kicks son in the face. and it's just, i think, there are peculiar stereotypes and agendas served. so, you know, in that surprisingly eloquent political statement like you punched up earlier, the political leaders, our business leaders are working in allegiance to keep a majority of people repressed, docile little consumers. and the media is an obvious participant in that. i'll have the same agenda as aformentioned. i liked having a real laugh about that. i think the solutions e spiritual ones. that's why i was talking to the porn star. once you go hispanic, don't panic. it's a terrible, terrible rhyme. >> terrible. enormously. >> it doesn't make sense. once you go hispanic, don't panic. once you go black, you don't go back. that makes sense. although i have gone black and gone back and forth. but once you go hispanic, don't panic doesn't make sense. it's an odd rhyme. but angelina castro is hispanic. it's up to her. >> where is the line in an on going twiter war with his followers about whether there should be any lines drawn in the comedic sack. whether there is anything that should be off limits. what do you think? woody allen said no. as long as it's life, it's fine. i also think if something's funny -- when we're around our mates, we will laugh at anything. disgusting stuff. but i suppose when you're on the teley, it seems there's different obligations. me, i would laugh at pretty much anything. and occasionally, i think of something that hurts my feelings and i think that's payback. i don't try to say anything offensive. i try not to be mean. i suppose i try to think of, you know, we've all got a little sexy giminey cricket in our mind saying don't do that, pinochio, you fool. >> russel, it's been great to catch up with you. you look feisty. i like the beard back. it gives you a certain gravatass. >> thank you for noticing. thank you for promoting my show. i think it's a general opportunity to change the way people think. >> i will be tuning in avidly, as always. all right, that's enough, brand, often you go. we'll be right back. 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>> well, it was a promise i made to myself when i was ten. i came up with the story then and desperately wanted to be a part of the kid's lit world. i found an opportunity with success other places and here i am. >> what's the point of it? tell me the narrative? >> the plot it's about kids that go to a fairy tale. when i was a younger kid, the point i wrote it, i had a rough childhood. i was in the hospital for a while when i was younger. i have a scar on my neck to prove it. my younger sister was in the hospital and it was kind of rough for me growing up. i would use fairy tales as a way to escape from hardships. as a kid i wanted to write a story so other kids would have a way to escape themselves. >> we talked about the bullying and other stuff. you made a success of yourself. on the back of that, you now get a lot of other kids writing to you. simply young gay teenagers write to you who know what you've been through and admire you the way you've come through it. you now have a huge responsibility. how do you deal with that? >> i don't know. i think i'm still figuring that out. it is responsibility and i hope that i'm doing it well and there is nothing like getting a letter from those kids and most of them are written in secret because they are stuck in places that don't accept them. >> what do you say to them? >> well, i don't know if there is anything i could say to them. i think the best thing i could do is just show them an example of what, i don't know, something that they -- a version of something that they could be if they -- if they aspire to it. >> what would you say to yourself as a 14-year-old boy now if you had the chance? >> i think i'd first say those clothes don't fit. i think that would be the first and fror most. but i don't know. i think i would just say "hang in there." and even though people are making fun of you, keep doing what you're doing because it will pay off someday. >> the whole gay marriage debate has moved on incredibly fast. new york has joined many other states now in legalizing gay marriage. you were very helpful with george clooney and others. what do you feel about the way america has moved and the president's endorsement? >> oh, i think that was an amazing endorsement and i'm very happy that we're living in a time where progress is being made. but i think people really, people are so upset and so hurt over, that i think people need to realize there is a silver lining in sight. it will take some time to get there, but we will. >> president obama is facing election in november. what are your thoughts? a lot of hollywood people disappointed in him. threatening to turn their backs. are you standing firmly by your president? >> you're asking my political advice? >> you can vote. >> i can, right. >> are you very political? >> i was in high school. i was a big speech and debate champion in high school. i was very political but i have since kind of taken my foot out of that pond. >> is it too dangerous to be a young handsome "glee on pontificating about politics? >> i don't want to be a young actor that joins a band wagon because the cool kids are. i'd rather have my own, which is my own opinions are pretty much the same of who i'm talking about, but i -- you know, i'm an actor. i don't want people to watch me in a movie or tv show and say i know who he voted for. i'd rather them watch the movie. >> let's turn on "glee." what is going on? >> i don't know. we haven't started season four yet but i'm in season four. >> definitely coming back? >> yes, definitely. >> you weren't just dropping some terrible bombshell? >> no. >> not remove the glee from glee for millions of young viewers? >> no. maybe a letter or two, but no, i'm in it. >> i remember talking to you last time about you were worried about the workload. you are working hard and making books and making movies and doing other things. are you getting enough fun in your life? are you having a good time? >> i could always have more of it, but, no, i think right now, i'm in a crucial spot where i just -- i've always had grass hopper and the ant, i want to make sure my house is stable for winter. >> the grass hopper and the ant. the ant spent all day making a house for winter and the grass hopper was playing. winter game and the grass hopper died and the ant survived. >> the moral of that is? >> don't dillydally. get stuff done! >> best of luck with everything. come back again. >> thank you so much. when i was 13, my dad was p. when you take geico, you can call them anytime you feel like saving money. it don't matter, day or night. use your computer, your smartphone, your tablet, whatever. the point is, you have options. oh, how convenient. hey. crab cakes, what are you looking at? 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