attacks. also -- >> he didn't pull the trigger. >> face-to-face with the killer, a survivor's terrifying account. i am richard quest in london. this is cnn's world report. good morning to viewers in the united states, and around the world. police say a 32-year-old norwegian man arrested on friday may have been involved in the oslo bomb blast and the massacre on the island that left at least 91 people dead in total. local media are naming the man as anders behring breivik. police are not confirming his identity, but when asked about extremism in norway, the prime minister told the news conference police were aware of active groups. >> translator: compared to other countries, i will not say that we have a big problem with right-wing extremists in norway, but we have had some groups, and we have followed them before, and our police is aware that there are some right-wing extreme groups, or at least has been some groups of that kind in norway. but, again, i very much underline that we will not speculate and we will await the investigation from the police before we say anything more about this particular case, but it's part of our work, and the police follow this kind of right wing extreme groups. >> the police admitted the suspect was not previously known to them. a spokesperson revealed what was known about him so far. >> he is a free mason, and we cannot provide further details or specifics on this guy. this guy has not been on the police radar it seems. >> the scale of the attack is only just becoming clear. 84 people are now confirmed dead, and the massacre at utoya island, where the suspect opened fire with an automatic weapon. it was aimed at a camp for young people. some people jumped into freezing waters to try and escape, and others hid and the gunman continued to search into targets, sometimes firing into the water. the suspect believed to have been involved in the huge bomb blast that hit central oslo on friday afternoon. in that blast, seven people are considered dead, and scores more are injured. the police say two attacks are likely links. and our correspondent is near utoya island this morning. she joins me on the line. let's begin with where you are and what you are seeing? >> we are still on route. it's supposed to be a 45-minute drive from oslo. we have been driving for 2 1/2 hours now. we only presume the direct roads to oslo have been cut off to transport the injured and the dead to oslo. we're still on route. the stories that we are hearing about what happened on the island yesterday are just horrific, and the gunman was carrying out his rampage for longer than an hour, pit afull pictures really, and this was a summer camp for members of the labor party, some as young as 13 swimming desperately away from the gunman to try and avoid him shooting in the water after them. one eyewitness we spoke to swimming back to shore because his boots were so heavy and having to play dead so the gunman would not shoot him then. and we're hearing when the actual police arrived on the island, the young people were running and begging and crying for them to put their weapons down just to be sure that the horror of what they just experienced wouldn't happen again, because of course this pan was dressed as a policeman, which was what he used to be able to cross the island on public transportation as a result of the oslo attack saying he was doing a routine security check on the island as a result of the attacks, and it gave him easy access of such a populated island. 84 lost their lives, richard. >> diana, as you are driving towards the island, just very briefly, tell us you obviously, since you arrived in the country, and spoke to norwegians obviously, and engaged the mood at this early stage. >> reporter: yes, people are horrified. i looked out my window this morning and the streets were completely empty. last night the streets were eerily quiet. you would expect people to be busling around. people say i never could have imagined that something like this could have possibly happened in norway. they said somehow it seems more obvious in countries like the united states and the united kingdom, one man told me. but not here, not in a culture is that incredibly open, which has never experienced any kind of terror attack before, and certainly not the largest, you know, gun rampage that we could remember in modern times to take place here in norway is something horrifying to people here, richard. >> diana, continue making your journey to the island and we will check in an hour's time for further progress. a picture has been posted on the twitter sight that shows the killings in progress. it's a disturbing image we are about to show you. it's an aerial picture from the island, and can you see the man presumably the shooter in the bottom left of your screen. his arms out stretched in front of him. there are several other bodies grouped together in the water in front of him, and that gives you an idea of what the moments -- well, moments -- what the hour was like as he made his way around the campground. the officers of norway's red cross are very close to the site of the bomb blast that rocked oslo. vivian polson is a spokesperson there at the site. the scene in oslo and the scene at the island, tell me how the red cross is responding to the crisis? >> there has been the red cross out all night searching for people, and helping in the rescue mission. we have also had around 30 people trained in support helping the victims in the shooting nearby, in a nearby hotel where relatives and the youth have gathered. this is something that we will continue to do for a long time. we are opening up red cross centers across norway because these are people that will need help for a long time. >> the -- do we know how many of the youngsters are still on the island, or has the island now been evacuated? >> i am not sure. i know they are still searching for missing people, and i know there are still missing people, but i am not sure how many people are still there. the police are still on the island searching. >> you say, of course, which is usually in these situations psychological and social support is being given, but what sort of reports are you receiving back of the stories and what people are saying? >> it is just a gruesome and unreal situation. people are not quite believing what they have been part of and they, i think, are still in shock and will be for a long time. what we are appealing for in norway is that everybody takes care of everybody and we talk to each other. it's not just the people that were on the island affected, these were youth, 600 from around the country. you have relatives and friends in every part of the country, and they will now also be needing support. we're appealing for everybody to just take care of each other and talk to each other. >> vivian, we thank you for that and will talk to you later in the day. joining us there, the red cross spokesperson from norway. we are going to bring you all the implications of this. coming up in a moment, we will inbound oslo where authorities are now starting to get a better picture of what took place. this is cnn. 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[ male announcer ] half a day's worth of fiber. fiber one. we have had people working overtime, triple time, weekends, unpaid, nothing in it for any of us except we believe he killed her. >> that was from your days as a prosecutor. i have to say, i love the hair there. >> thank you. jealous? >> tell me -- honestly, i lot of fact that even then you had this firebrand attitude. i mean look at you smashing your stick. you were an aggressive prosecutor. very direct with your eye contact with the jurors there. clearly something that was a passion for you. i'm assuming that the passion for you was driven not least by the fact you yourself had been through this appalling tragedy of your fiance being killed by a co-worker. >> yes. there's keith. he got that black eye from a baseball. keith was in school on baseball scholarship to get his degree in geology and was almost through and was working a summer job. he was at a construction site. and he left at lunch time to go get soft drinks for everyone and when he -- pulled back into the site, a co-worker that had been fired was angry and had showed up at the site with a gun. and the theory was he was waiting for the boss that fired him but when he saw the truck, he just opened fire and he shot keith five times in the face, the neck, and the head. keith was still alive. when he made it to the hospital, he did not live. >> i can see now this is clearly hugely traumatic part of your life. it makes you very emotional. i'm not surprised to talk about it now and seeing the pictures of you and keith together must bring back all sorts of memories for you. what happened to him spur you on to do? when you remember your feelings at the time, did it drive you on to finding justice for others? was it as simple as that? >> you know, piers, it's -- it's so complicated and i actually very rarely discuss it. other than eluding to it briefly if i'm asked questions about it. you know, piers, people always talk about closure. and they throw that around as far as cindy and george anthony they have closure it's all over. there is no closure. it's like breaking your arm. and you never get it set. but you learn to flip a pancake or sweep the floor. not the way you did before, but in a different way. yes, it affected my life. i went nearly 30 years without being able to really seriously entertain marriage or a family. in fact, the word marriage would actually give me -- actually physically have a shake when it was brought up. and i remember it was like a dark swirl after his murder. i couldn't eat. i couldn't drink anything. i lost down to about 89 pounds. i dropped out of school. i was at my parents home. i couldn't stand to hear the tv, the radio in the car. i couldn't stand to hear a clock tick. it was just too much. and i ultimately -- i went to go stay with my sister in philadelphia. she was a professor at the warten school of business at that time. i would sit on a park bench and watch students go by while she was teaching. and it dawned on me there that i had no idea what law school even was. but that i would go to law school. and that somehow i could make a difference. i had planned to be an english shakespearean professor hopefully at a graduate level. and i couldn't imagine being in a classroom the rest of my life. and that had been my dream. i'm sorry to say that since that time, i have never had the heart to open up a single shakespearean play or book. it's just -- i just can't. that was a different life and a different dream and a different girl. that girl is gone. but what i have now is a life that has been dedicated to seeking justice and very late in life god heard my prayers and answered them 10,000 time over by giving me twins and a husband that loves me and accepts me like i am. so it was not what i planned. but god gave me something very different. >> nancy, we'll take another short break. when we come back, i want to talk to you about your new marriage and the children you have, the way you are able to rebuild your life and propel your career into becoming one of the most high profile defenders of justice that this country has. >> thank you, piers. 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all the criticism and all the praise doesn't amount -- it is not worth the salt that goes in my bread. tv is fickle. you can be loved one day and hated the next day. you know, one day you're getting an award and the next day you're getting a death threat. so what does it all mean? doesn't mean anything. what matters to me is that i try to do the right thing on air and off air. and what my children think of me, what they're going to read about me one day on the internet. what my husband thinks about me and my parents and my family. that's what matters to me. what keith thinks about me, how i live my life since he was murdered. i know he's watching. i know he's cheering me on. that's what matters to me. >> well nancy, you've been incredibly honest in this interview, more than i thought you were going to be about that part of your life. and, you know, personally, i love watching the show. i think you're a force for good. and i think that you are ballsy and aggressive but at your heart, you want to bring justice to people like kay caylee anthony. >> thank you, friend. >> coming up next, my interview daniel baldwin, why he got a restraining order to keep his wife away from their two small children. host: could switching to geico really save you 15% or more on car insurance? 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>> well, you know, we're trying to recover ourselves emotionally and psychologically from some of the events that took place in the house that led to these papers being filed. but it wasn't, you know, a one off event. i mean you're right in assuming that there has been a steady build up in this. joann got a dui a year ago june and placed on probation and has had some problems with violations of probation previous to this. but let me just tell you something. we have skated on the charlie sheen issue and some other people before on your show. remember something. the sheens love charlie. and the lohans love lindsey. and the baldwin's loved daniel when he went through his problems as we love joann. so the filing of these papers were strictly and solely because i needed to protect my children. so, you know, that's why this occurred. >> i mean the papers make dramatic, really. i have them in front of me here. there is an entry where she is highly intoxicated in our home. she gets upset over money and proceeds. to wake both children up by screaming and throwing objects around the house. she throws and hits me in the face with the phone. she threatened to kill me with a knife and warns me she will eventually kill me all in front of our children. and in the next page this is your handwriting, she came out of our bedroom and claim she watched a documentary on women who killed their husbands. she explained, now i know how to do it. i understand why they did it. you have been warned. move out of this house or i'm going to kill you. this was said in front of the two children. i mean pretty extraordinary stuff this, daniel. how did you feel when your wife said this to you? >> well, i think -- i think you need to remember, too, that she is from time to time a blackout drunk. when she had her du i, she actually struck another car and hit a man at 40 miles an hour putting him in the hospital and she has in recollection of that incident. so i think she's capable because of what i think is alcoholism of doing things in a blackout she really doesn't have any memory of and any control of. but there lies where being a responsible parent comes in. i've never been on the opposite side of the continuum, piers. i was the one that blew a relationship previous to this. that was not a good and effective father due to my addiction. and i have to tell you the only good thing that has come out of this has been the fact that in the 12-step program, step nine is that you make amends to those that you have harmed except when to do so would do harm to them or others. i've had to go back to a number of people in my family, loved ones and say my god, i'm so sorry. i had no idea what you were feeling. i knew what i did. but i never had to feel it before. now i'm on the opposite side and it's just an awful and helpless feeling to watch someone that you love disintegrate. >> why are you doing this interview? what do you hope to achieve by speaking publicly about this? >> well, i'll tell you a few things. number one, i have been inundated with people requesting interviews that are showing up in my driveway, that are parked in front of my house with news vans with the big satellite tish dishes. i said it's time to go to a place where i address this. i get it out there. i -- what were my goals and what it is -- a lot of people asked why did i file for divorce? the answer to that is she needs to understand that this is an ultimatum now. i can always reverse that or stop that should she decide to get help. i'm not going to die ni her eny her the opportunities i had myself. i need to draw that line in the sand. to answer your question directly why am i doing this? because this is a relationship that i've had previous to this situation where i've spoken about addiction before. i felt very comfortable speaking with you. not to mention the fact that i watch your show a lot and i think you're very fair. so i wanted to go into a forum where i wasn't going to be beat up, i was going to be asked both sides of the questions which i think you do effectively. >> i mean i'm going to play devil's advocate having said that with you. honestly, you went through a well documented period of substance abuse. you were arrested four times that we can locate. you were clearly going through a pretty hellish time yourself n a way, you've been where joann is now. and you know how difficult this kind of situation is. what do you hope is the end game here, daniel? is part of your thinking on this as she cleans herself up you can get back together as a family? is this a short shock treatment you implemented here? >> i won't rule any of those things out right now. i'm going to stick to the letter of the law. you know, there are certain things you may ask me that i have to defer to my attorney here in portland. but i think i can kind of answer this question and that is, no, right now i filed for divorce. i intend on getting divorced. i have a protection order for myself an my children because i cannot control what someone else does and i am quite fearful of the next time something like this erupts. it escalated into physical violence on her part. so i have to do what i have to do. my first responsibility has to be to my personal well-being and more over my children and their personal well-being. you'll never know, i hope, piers what it is like to have a 3 1/2-year-old child come into your bedroom and say is mommy going to kill us? because she heard her mother say that. now, of course, i don't believe that mommy is going to kill her, not while i'm there. but is it possible that when i'm out working on something if i leave them in they are protection and under her custody that she could get intoxicated and do something or even do something irresponsible by leaving a door open or leaving -- absolutely. absolutely. that's very possible. and there lies the on going fear that occurs in my life. either she's going to drink too much and she's going to act upon some of these threats that she's made or is she going to do something incredibly irresponsible and the child will fall out of a window or something like that. i'm not going to wait around to find out the answer to that. i'm going to make sure that doesn't happen as their father. >> daniel, it's obviously very troubling time for you and your personal life. when we come back, i want to talk to you about more positive stuff about your extraordinarily talented family and what you're up to at the moment. 95% of als aren't getting enough whole grain. but actually, it's never been easier to get the whole grain you want from your favorite big g cereals. from cheerios to lucky charms, there's whole grain in every box. make sure to look for the white check. >> that looks like a giant grass hopper. >> are you kidding me? >> look out! that was nbc's "i'm a celebrity, get me out of here." daniel baldwin was in that series with his brother steven. daniel, i wouldn't say it was something i would rush to do again. i thought you were quite brave going into the jungle with him. >> any time that i have to be in a jungle or a situation that there might be danger, i want other people around me if i'm with my brother steven. [ laughter ] >> wait a second, though. >> what an extraordinary family. no, go on. >> i was going to say, you did a reality show with steven. you got a little dose of steven. i saw you get a little frustrated a few times with him. >> oh, god, he drove me absolutely bonkers. i don't know how you deal with him, i have to say having said that he was a good fun and he was a trier. he never gave up. all you baldwins have been through the rough and tumble of life. but you are survivors, all of you, aren't you? tell me about the baldwin family ethos. what is it that you say that keeps you all going? >> i think that we have certain things that were instilled in us from my mother and my father as we grew up. we grew up in a town called massapequa, long island which was affect atly known as mozza pizza. we were like the kennedys with no money. we were the overachieving black irish catholic family with all these kids that all did pretty well in athletics and grades and ran for student office and everything. and my dad was a high school teacher in our hometown that taught at the other high school. so our archrival, every thanksgiving day, was my father. he was a football coach at the school that we had to play for bragging rights for the whole town. so there is was a real sense of competition and one upsmanship that came in that house that is the survival skill in my family. there's definitely a fierce competitor's edge that lies in all six children, the girls, too. >> now, who are you closest to, would you say? >> i would say i'm closest to billy. i have a certain understanding with steven, which is almost more like kind of a fatherly thing. when my dad got sick, steven was in sixth grade in grammar school. and i was a senior in high school. so i got the football coach at our school to allow steven to be like our manager. so steven would run from grammar school over to our school and spent three or four hours a day with me. my dad being out of the house and dying of cancer. so i have a unique bond with steven, but i think it's more of a father kind of thing than it is of a brother. it's more evened out to be brotherly now. but it was a unique relationship. alec and i were fierce competitors. where alec is just older than i am. so we beat each other up for everything there was, including food at the dinner table. and that relationship is still very similar. we still are very competitive with each other. it's a constant word game of one upping each other. but billy was my next youngest brother. and he and i have a bond because we both played a sport in high school that unless you play that you'll never know the dynamic of the relationship. we were wrestlers. and when you're that tiny room, it's something that i can't explain. it's not like playing football together. it's not like playing a -- when you're a wrestler, those relationships you will maintain for the rest of your lives. it's a very close-knit, very small, tight sport. >> funny. i was quite keen to wrestle with steven actually in "celebrity apprentice." possibly to the death at one stage. >> yeah. i can see that. i graduated with steven and my wrestling relationship to now boxing is what i prefer to do with steven. >> [ laughter ] >> tell me, you mentioned the kennedys analogy, albeit without the money. interestingly alec has been flirting with politics. and i read his twitter feed. and in fact, engage with him quite often. he's very political on that. he raises lots of social issues. you can see a guy, i suspect, mulling over the possibility of a political career. there is talk of him possibly running to be new york mayor. do you think he's serious about this kind of stuff? >> i think that you have been caught in the, like many other people, in this web. because i think it has always been a plan of his. there have been open discussions with people for many years now about what would be the most effective way to launch this. and i happen to have been prify to one of the -- as far as i know -- initial conversations some years ago about where to start. and i think that it would be a brilliant move for him in 2012 to run for mayor of new york. because in the city itself, he is very, very popular. as you start to branch outside of the city, if you went for governor or senator or any of the things that i think that he would aspire to be, i think that he would run into some stiff competition. and i think that he would also run into less allies than he would, shall we say, had he run for new york. and also keep in mind a launching pad to bigger and better offices is surpassed by none when it comes to marry oralships as new york city. there are people that have been mayor of new york before that in recent conversations have been considered on tickets for president of the united states. meaning rudy giuliani. so yeah, i think he's definitely more than just thinking about it. i have a strange suspicion he's going to run in 2012. and i think he'll probably win. >> i mean, obviously if you're competitive with him as his immediate kid brother, you've got to start recognizing the appalling possibility that if he ran and became new york mayor, then potentially four or eight years later you might be hearing the words "this is your brother alec. you can now call me mr. president." >> well, know, what i've been really thinking about and i'm already looking into, how long will it take me to get my law degree if he goes there? because it's going to be at least two terms in gracie mansion. so could i pull off getting my law degree so i could be the attorney general when he goes to the white house. i'm thinking about myself here, piers. >> it's all about you, isn't it? >> of course at the end of the day. >> well, there's something -- it would be something rather poetic about the no money kennedys reaching etch lons of high-power. you have the people's vote, i think. >> yeah. i think that there's a lot of people out there. you know, listen, ronald reagan -- alec and i had a laugh when he was made president because it was, well, should we act or should we go into politics? and here ronald rag an ago youably at best a high level b actor which would be the tenth largest economic world power in the world, he's governor of california for a long run and then becomes two-term president of the united states. this guy wasn't even a great actor. in my opinion, you know, the smartest guy in the world, either. i think nancy was the brains in the operation. and this guy becomes president. we laughed and looked at each other and went, you me we can actually do both? we can actually become actors and then become tired of that. arnold, boom. if there wasn't a lawsuit you had to be u.s. born he could probably be the president of the united states right now which is pretty scary. >> i don't know. i think he would have been quite a good president. daniel baldwin, i wish you every good luck with your domestic issues. they found pretty awful to go through for your and your family, i wish you luck with that. and also luck with your family's aspiration to become the new ken dis. i'll be watching with interest. >> we'll see what happens. right now my biggest issue is continuing to get in good shape, piers. i'm working very, very hard on my body. >> you're looking pretty good next to me. you've lost a lot of weight. >> i did. i've lost 55 pounds on this incredible homeworkout system called the scog system, skogg. you can look it up at www.skoggsystem.com. it's the most amazing -- >> enough of the shameless plugs. >> thank you. >> and finally, do send steven my very worst. he'd expect nothing else. >> i will.