Very, very hard. So it just reverberates through your whole body. What was my last question to you . Would i take the 90,000 for 40 . You had a chance to close, didnt you . Tonight mark cuban for the hour. Mark cuban is a man who wears many hats. Dallas mavericks owner, axis tv chairman, investor. Welcome to you. Thanks, piers. Where do we start with you . I watched you last night. Amazing moment. Your team beating the knicks in the last second with a typical cubanesque moment. I thought theres this guy who went you were 19, 20, you didnt have a dime to rub between you, right . And there you are the billionaire owner of a Basketball Team beating the knicks in their own backyard. What did that moment feel like for you . Its amazing. Thats one of the beauties of owning a sports team when you get to run out on the court where theres a buzzer beater jumping up and down with everyone else and the cops arent chasing you. Its surreal, an amazing feeling. Do you pinch yourself sometimes . Every day. I cant tell you how many times ill just look around and my family and just everything thats going on and just its crazy. Its amazing. And i try to never take it for granted. Your story is extraordinary. Because you go back, you were living in pittsburgh. Your first job was working in a bank, the mellon bank in pittsburgh. You realize the hierarchy is limiting. Tell me how you dealt with that. I would send notes to the ceo. Im a grunt, right . Im working on these systems conversions where they were converting from old Digital Systems to new Digital Systems. I would read articles, the bank would benefit from this. I sent notes to the ceo and hed respond to me. And until my boss pulled me into his office and started screaming at me, john whitman, just yelling and yelling, youre not allowed to do this or that. I realized ways never going to be a very good employee. You were basically not observing the bank structure. No. I wasnt going through my boss. I just went right to the ceo. Like no big deal. The whole point when you go to work for somebody i thought was you do all you can to make the company more profitable no limits. I realized i wasnt going to be a very good employee. Was that the moment you thought ive got to leave this place . That was one of many. They basically after i started just doing pretty much what i wanted to do, they kind of shuttled me off and said spend some time here. And i just quit. Id only been there for nine months. Then i went back to indiana for a little bit back to blooming ton and went down to dallas. The rest is history. It is a remarkable history. You go to dallas, youve got no money still. You get together with five mates, living in this small place, right . I had a car. A 1977 fiat x 19 with a hole in the floor board where i had to put oil in like every 60 miles. I had to be careful not to get dizzy and fall asleep because i could see the road go by in the hole in the floor board. I had a bunch of buddies living in dallas. I showed up and said im crashing with you. I had five other roommates. Slept on the floor. Didnt have my own room, didnt have a closet, didnt have any place to put my clothes except a pile. You had a rule when you went out. Nobody could spend more than 20. Yeah. Youd all go and buy horrible cheap 12 bottle of champagne. It was great. Wed walk around like we were moguls with this bottle of champagne drinking out of the champagne. P. Diddy thought he was cool drinking champagne out of the bottle. We were way ahead of the curve. It was cheap and we thought we were cool. Having no money. What did it do for you make you want to be . It was no big deal. I mean, i had a blast when i was poor. But because i was always motivated. I was always competitive. So it wasnt like i said im sleeping on the floor so thats my motivation. My motivation was always, i want to be rich and retire. I want to have all my time. I realized back then that time was my most valuable asset. I think my dad really drilled into me that you have to appreciate everything in life. It wasnt about how much money i had, how hard could i work and what could i accomplish. I think thats what motivated me to get out. Your dad was a pivotal figure in your life. When he gave you advice, did he give you advice or was it more the way he conducted himself . A little bit of both. He never gave Business Advice. He did upholstery on cars. If you had a rip in your car seat youd bring it to my dad or hed go to mcdonalds and sew up upholstery there. Lost an eye in an accident as he was putting staples into a car seat. He never really understood business. It wasnt like i could ask him for Business Advice but he gave me great life advice. Just today is the youngest youre ever going to be so you have to live like it. Id always complain im getting old and hed laugh at me. Just always told me there were no limits. I could do anything i put my mind. To he never tried to slow me down or stop me. Going back to dallas, there you are, youre all leading this party life on meager resources, and you start to do a few things, entrepreneurial, all your mates are doing crazy jobs, bartending or whatever. Right. Your first dabble into real business is what . Starting a business or working . You went to work but youve got this huge deal. I love this story where you managed to do a deal. Youre working in a small business. Im working for this software company. One of my jobs was to come in and sweep the floor and open up the store. So id close this deal for 15,000, 10 commission. Ways making 1500 bucks. That was huge. Huge for you. Lifechanging. Enormous. So i called my boss and said im not coming in. Ive got barbara all set to cover opening up the store and sweeping the floor and all that. He said no, i need you to come in. I said ive got to close this deal. My customer is expecting me. I went and picked up the check and hand this guy a 15,000 check hes going to love me for it. Fires me. Keep the check. Why would he fire you . I have no idea. Did he give any reason . I dont remember. I dont remember. He was a guy that was and i learned a lot from michael. I learned to do the opposite. Because he was really into pomp and circumstance. Im the president youre not. This is how a president operates. This is what a president wears. He would tell me you should buy a suit here. This is where it looks good. Buy clothes there, thats where it looks good. But he was never selling. This was a company that need sales. So i never really got into it with him. I just took the check back, went back and started a company, microsolutions, out of six guys in a threebedroom apartment apartment. And built that into 80 million in sales. And then became the big deal, the massive one that made you a billionaire. In the buildup to that, tell me how you were feeling as a businessman. It started when we went public. So we started basically the whole streaming industry. Not the streaming software but took it and turned it into a business where we had a Million People a day coming in and listening to audio and watching video. We started doing the pop up videos and the lead videos. The intro ads. Was there a kind of eureka moment for you personally when you taught thought this is how i could become a billionaire . Oh, yeah. I could tell you a story. Our office was at 2929 elm street. And we had 15 employees at audio net. I remember sitting and talking. We would have people come in from around the world to audio net our site then saying this is changing my life. I feel like im back home. People who in korea, thailand. This was when we were months old. It was obvious if we really pushed it that streaming audio and video was going to be enormous. We had a unique opportunity to take advantage. Were you technically yourself very very savvy . Or did you just have really smart guys . I remember sitting in the second bedroom of my house. I bought an isdn line, a pack ard bell computer for 3,000, a router. And i taught myself all the html stuff i need to do to put together the web site. Which wasnt hard to do. You taught yourself this . Thats easy. Thats not a big accomplishment. You make it sound easy. It is. I couldnt do that. Yeah, you could. That wasnt the hard part. The hard part was figure out how to get streaming to work with after of growing number of users in an internet infrastructure that didnt support it. So putting in the servers, connecting the servers, understanding the networking which is what my microsolutions company did. We were one of the first local area Networking Companies in the world. Putting all those features together and then knowing that we had to go out and sell it and let people know what it was and evangelize it. Putting all features together is what made it work. Were getting a million daily users in a world where hardly anybody had broadband. It was a big accomplishment. As we grew that and it became obvious that multimedia was the future of the internet, yahoo , aol and others started paying attention to us. We went public in july of 1998. We had the largest oneday pop in the history of the stock market at the time. Thats when i remember sitting in the back of the car in new york talking to my partner todd wagner saying we might be able to have a b next to our name how crazy the stock market is and this business. He said youre an idiot. That will never happen. I remember the second it happened. Ways working at home in the morning and watching the stock because we were getting close. Ways make ned front of my computer when it crossed the line that i was a billionaire. That moment. The moment you were naked in front of your computer and you become a billionaire. What do you do . I hope this is great. This better be clean. Again, at that point in time the market was so crazy, i didnt know if it would last. If i could say i could let you relive the best sex youve ever had in your life or that moment naked in front of the computer which moment would you take . Naked in front of the computer. With 1 billion i could buy all the sex i wanted at that time. Lets come back and talk more about what happened after you become a billionaire, start to lead i guess the dream of many billionaires. vo you are a business pro. Seeker of the sublime. You can separate runway ridiculousness. From fashion that flies off the shelves. And you. Rent from national. Because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle. And go. And only national is ranked highest in car rental Customer Satisfaction by j. D. Power. natalie ooooh, i like your style. vo so do we, business pro. So do we. Go national. Go like a pro. Did you run into traffic . No, just had to stop by the house to grab a few things. You stopped by the house . Uhhuh. Yea. Alright, whenever you get your stuff, run upstairs, get cleaned up for dinner. You leave the house in good shape . Yea. Yea, of course. [ sportscaster talking on tv ] lastsecond field go yea, sure ya did. [ male announcer ] introducing at t digital life. Personalized Home Security and automation. Get professionally monitored security for just 29. 99 a month. With limited availability in select markets. I had been a rich man and i had been a poor man. And i choose rich every [ mute ] time. When i have to face my problems i show up in the back of a limo wearing a 2,000 suit and a 40,000 gold [ mute ] watch. Leonardo dicaprio in wolf of wall street have you seen the movie . I loved it. Do you think its true to reality . I think there was some embellishment because ive talked to some of the characters involved. But i think at its heart it was very true. That once you get going, its addictive. And sales people sell. And it wouldnt surprise me that 90 of it was how it went down. I interviewed Jordan Belfort recently. What seems amazing at first becomes commonplace after awhile. You dont lose your soul all at once. You lose it a little bit of time incrementally. When i lost my ethical way it did not start off its sort of like these tiny imperceptible steps over the line. Your line of morality moves a bit. Next thing you know youre doing things you thought youd never do and it seems perfectly okay. It strikes me every successful businessman in the world probably has moments when they can either cross a line, ethical moral line or they dont in Jordan Belforts case he kept crossing every bigger lines until eventually he realized he had lost his soul along the line even though he didnt want to. I said to him later, do you ever wish you hadnt gone the illegitimate way. You probably could have been a billionaire the straight way. I think he knows that. What do you think about that process . How do people like you avoid the pitfalls of a Jordan Belfort. When youre a kid someone says hey you want to deal a little pot you can makes extra money you say yes or no. When you have no money people are pitching you stuff. Just say no. So its never been like a temptation for me. But i can see in sales we talk about incentives. And just managing people. And i always talk about if you give somebody a cadillac and say if you dont hit your goal you lose the cadillac its a whole lot different than saying if you hit your goals you get a cadillac. People dont ever want to lose what they have. Once they taste the good life. Is that something youve done with your own staff . I want to give them the incentives up front. They dont want to lose it. Do you take await cars . You have to. Otherwise you have no credibility. How do you feel when you do that . Its like you had your chance. What are we going to do to fix it. I dont want to leave them hanging. Its a better motivating factor to have them lose something theyre really enjoying than perhaps have awn attainable trophy . The process says one i have confidence in you you can reach these goals. Two im going to put you in a position to succeed. Three you agree that ive put you in a position to succeed so were agreeing this is the reward. If you dont reach your goals im taking away the reward do we all agree on this yes or no. If the answer is yes lets do it. So theres no hidden agenda. They know it up front. Jordan belfort at the end he sold me a pen, a scene from the movie with dicaprio. He sold me a pen. Fascinating he didnt try and oversell me a pen if i didnt really want one. He said he had to identify a need in me. In other words, have you thought recently the last few months about having a pen. If you get a yes then he goes into full sales mode. That is a good sales tactic do you think . You always want to put yourself in the shoes of the person youre selling to. When i was selling computers, software, developing software, writing software myself, my skill set was i can walk into a shoe store and say i understand your business. Heres what i can do to improve it. Walk into a furniture store, doctors office, any business in this moment and say, i can help you use technology to your advantage. Because i understand your business. So yes, if you can put yourself in the shoes of the people youre selling to youre always going to know how to sell and be successful. Did you carry a wallet . Yes, i carry a wallet. I asked warren buffett. What do you have in it . Thats a good question. Ive got some credit cards, a debit card, drivers license. Cards from some folks. Ive got my doctor, iulm card, insurance card. Cash . Ive got my gym card. Probably about 700 now because ways just in vegas. Not dissimilar to warren. All you billionaires in fact the wallet looked the same. Is there a billionaire wallet club . Actually there is. You get it after you learn the handshake [ laughter ] but you know what, im always upset because ive never been invited into the trilateral commission. I thought i made all this money. I qualify, right . When youre a billionaire, is there a little billionaire banter that goes on . It just depends if theyre friends or not. Ill tell you, ive got a buddy. I play basketball with. He just sold his company and he crossed the billionaire mark. We just sat down and had a big old smile. I saw him two weeks ago. Hes like, i think maybe i should buy a sports team. Im like, whatever, right . But its special, right . And i think anybody whos reached that level understand that luck plays a part of it people say that money, money wont make you happy. Its true. But isnt there an element to it that money alleviates a lot of lifes stresses . It relieves a lot of stress. Thats different than making you happy. You had no money. Better having it yes. Its not equivalent for getting happiness . If your were miserable when you were poor youll be miserable when youre rich. Ive come home with a date and the lights were turned off. Ive had to run from work to the Utility Company to pay my bill, realize i dont have cash, realize i dont have enough money in the bank with a check that the check will cover and have to go back and borrow cash. Ive been there. So money is a whole lot better than no money. But i was having a blast. I was more than willing. One of my goals was to retire by the time i was 35. I did when i was 30. I wasnt looking for oppulence. Ways looking for freedom. What is the best thing about being a billionaire . More in control of your time. I dont wear a watch. There has to be a damn good reason for me to wear a suit. This wasnt good enough . Im in tennis shoes all the time. I have control of my life. And swag is being able to tell other people what they need to do and not having to worry about them telling you what to do. Lets take a break. One of the things you did as a billionaire you bought a Basketball Team. The Dallas Mavericks. Lets talk about sports when we get back. Sure. Sport business is winning the same in both . I suspect it probably is. Marge you know, theres a more enjoyable way to get your fiber. Try phillips fiber good gummies. Theyre delicious, and a good source of fiber to help support regularity. Wife mmmm husband these are good marge the tasty side of fiber. From phillips. Life could be hectic. As a working mom of two young boys angies list saves me a lot of time. After reading all the reviews i know im making the right choice. Online or on the phone, we help you hire right the first time. With honest reviews on over 720 local services. Keeping up with these two is more than a full time job, and i dont have time for unreliable companies. Angies list definitely saves me time and money. For over 18 years weve helped people take care of the things that matter most. Join today. 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One day i was watching the game with my then girlfriend, now wife. Im like it was the opening day. Undefeated. Im really excited and the place isnt full. Theres no energy in the building. I thought i can do better than this. Then ding ding dinghy have to put my money where my mouth is. Found the owner made him an offer he couldnt refuse. Within two months i owned the team. You sound like don corleone. How does mark cuban make him an offer he wouldnt refuse . I said would you sell the team he said yeah i said how much and i wrote him a check. It was the highest price paid for a sports team. At that point in time the stock market was still crazy. This was january of 2000. So like the day before, my yahoo stock went up enough to pay for the whole team. So it was crazy. So it felt a little bit like funny money. It was like why not . Has it been everything you hoped it would be, earning the mavericks . Its a lot different than what i thought it would be. Because i dont really own the time. Financially i own the team but all of north texas owns the Dallas Mavericks. Being in business, you have a great quarter no one throws you a parade. You get an article in the wall street journal great job. When you win a championship the whole citys on fire. When youre losing everybody hates you. But in business ive never got an email from somebody saying my son has cancer or my daughters sick and she really looks up to the mavericks. Would you meet them, spend time with them. Even worse my son just died. You met him and took a picture of him. Were going to bury him in his jersey. Would you send a note we can put in a coffin. So different than anything you find in traditional business. So you really have to learn very quickly youre a steward much more than a Business Owner like you are in traditional business. Lots of issues bubbling around big professional sport in america right now. Probably the leading one is this issue of gay players both in basketball, in football, and it will happen to every sport obviously. You know Jason Collins, obviously a big groundbreak moment there. Weve also got this Young College player whos come out before hes even made the draft pick yet. What is your view generally about this issue and sport in america, given that so many people in the sports themselves feel so uncomfortable about it . Its a nonevent now. It literally is a nonevent. Even since jason came out, and it was at mls player, robby i forget his name around were friends. How many states now allow gay marriage. Its becoming so accepted that its a nonevent. And i think just in the span of six, 12 months its changed dramatically. Yet even in arizona this week weve seen efforts by lawmakers to kind of make it illegal again to just be gay. Saying you have the right to refuse to serve people if you suspect them thats the craziness of politics. Thats not the real feeling of the population. You dont just just how we deal with people anymore has just changed. People dont unless youre running for office and you really need to have a strong republican constituency voting for you, real people arent that way. And so i think weve really come to the point where in the real world in real life, we dont care. And thats a beautiful thing to say. You never run into people. Its not an issue. No one says to me no one contacted me is it generational . Absolutely. A sense that anybody over 40 probably still has a slight hangup historically about it . I think its older than that. Certainly my generation, youre right, probably 50, right . Yet anyone under 50 and certainly under 40 doesnt care. Doesnt really care either way. Not a problem. There used to be things where when after september 11th, whenever a player of any sport said something politically related i would get a flood emails. Never an email if you get a gay player, Jason Collins played for 12 years. He was showering with everybody. Nobody died. No one got checked out in the shower and had problems. So he actually was the perfect guy to change everything. What about guns in sport . A lot of nfl players in particular like to have the gun around them. And in basketball, too. After last nights game, the knicks guard Raymond Felton was arrested on gun charges. There have been a lot of these stories in the last couple of years. Obviously ive had a whole position about gun control. Right. Probably because im not american and therefore dont quite see the culture in the same way. But what about that . What about the fact a sportsman believing they need a gun . I think its anecdotal. Raymond its unfortunate what happened. I dont really know the guy but he was stupid. At the mavs we ask do you own a gun . Is it registered . Youre not allowed to travel with it no matter what. You cant carry it in your car no matter what. Youve implemented gun control . Not gun control. Gun safety, gun awareness. We want to make sure whatever the rules are for the state were in were following the rules and not traveling with it whatsoever. Is it possible that one of my guys might do something that im not aware of . Sure. When youre dealing with 18 to 35yearolds, it is what it is. But as far as im concerned, as long as its registered, as long as were playing by the rules, you dont travel with it, okay. But take it in your car and thinking youre at risk. If youre going someplace you feel you need a gun dont go there. Thats what i tell my guys. If you took that attitude generally to america, if everyone had that view it would be a much safer place. I think so. Yet these are quite sensible proposals. Is part of the problem calling it gun control . Do a lot of americans hate that word control . Yeah. Because i think a lot of americans feel threatened their rights are being taken away. Gun control the Second Amendment has become something we fill intrinsically you have to fight for. I think its an issue where are we threatened by government and where do we feel at risk from government. If youre going to fight back what better amendment to rally behind than the Second Amendment. I dont even think its about guns. I think its about standing up and saying look youre going to have to pry it from my cold dead hand because im protecting the constitution. Do we need to do it to that extreme . I dont think so. But do i understand and respect it yes. Lets take another break. Lets come back and talk about shark tank. Its a huge hit. Youre a huge hit on it. Youre terrifying in many ways on that show. Not me. Not sure i want to be pitching to you. This is the first power plant in the country to combine solar and natural gas at the same location. 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Yet now, after exploring vineyards in the hills of italy, he doesnt order the wine he always orders. He asks to be surprised. And for that moment, hes new to you. Princess cruises, come back new. In your particular case the shark tank is about selling. Its about taking your business to the next level. You taught america one of the biggest mistakes sales people make. When they have a deal in front of him, you should just shut up and take the deal. Hallelujah. Instead of keep on selling. You kept on trying to sell. Mark cuban on abcs shark tank zeroing in on some prey. Its been called a surprise hit. Ill bet you werent surprised. I was shocked. Youre a very confident guy. Everything you touch basically turns to gold. No, i was shocked. Mark burnett asked me to come on as a guest shark. It kept on getting bigger and bigger. I went from a guest shark to permanent shark. Now im in my third season i guess. Its amazed me how well its done. Now its become part of the zeitgeist of the country. When i used to judge americas got talent i can remember having to sit through so much crap for want of a better phrase just waiting for the nuggets of amazing talent. You must have i guess the same experience where so much of the stuff youre being pitched is useless and the people pitching it are useless. No thats where i disagree. You cant ever think that the people are useless. The beauty of the show as a business person . Can they not be useless . No. Because when you put your life on the line, if you have the balls to say, you know what, im going to start this company. Over Single Person in this world has that one idea they think is going to be brilliant and they get all excited and then do nothing. The fact that they were able to stand up and do something with the idea, so they get credit. So i dont really agree with you. Again doing americas got talent i can remember thinking i dont really admire you for standing there telling me aunty nelly said you could sing because you cant. My job is to stop this dream dead in its tracks. Im helping them by saying you cant sing. I dont disagree there. Thats just singing. You think there are some people you think youre no good, get out of business . Go be Something Else . My mind is completely different. Because its not just like hey im singing. Probably why youre a billionaire and im not. You have to do so much just to start that business. Youre not getting on the show unless its a real business. Unless at least it has a chance. Now will i crush people . Yes. But not people who are putting a good honest effort out there. If they b. S. Me, if theyre arrogant, if theyre into something that i think is abusive or taking advantage, then i will nail the hell out of them. I have no problem doing that. What is the kind of idea that you really love . Something thats differentiated, something unique, something that can grow i think into something thats big. Those are my favorites. What kind of thing over the years have you thought, yeah, thats what this show is about . Surf set fitness is a perfect example. This guy comes in former hockey player and his girlfriend. He wanted a way to work out and also learn how to surf out of New Hampshire. Where are you going to learn to surf in New Hampshire in the winter. He took a modified surfboard, put it on this instability devices and made this device that allowed you to learn how to surf indoors and started going around and teaching classes. And its just exploded since they were on the show. And so its something that can be anywhere. Kind of like zumba or whatever the fitness cycling is has exploded. These guys have the chance to explode. Theyre growing and growing. People open up salons for surf set fitness anytime. Those are the types of ideas completely out of left field. They busted their ass and now theyre making something of it talking out of left field, your dancing. Thats far out of left field. Thats where they should have shut me down. You know why i liked watching you on that show . It made me feel better about my own dancing. Hey i just had my you werent bad. I had my hip replaced months before that. Jerry springer was worse than you. There are a lot worse than me. Right there doing the waltz whatever it was, i just had my hip replaced. Im like please stay in one piece. Then do i this jump at the end and i landed and i didnt fall apart and i was fired up. So it was a moral victory. Do you have even now, mark, do you get those moments when you wake up in the morning or late at night and an incredible idea comes to you . Yeah. I hate it now. I hate it. Because i have so much going on you dont have time to act on it. I dont have the piss and vinegar. It takes a special motivation to say i dont give a dam, im going for it. And you cant see barriers. People say youre such a risk taker. I never take risks. I do the preparation, the work. When youre prepared you can bust through any wall. I get the ideas and think i should go for this. Then i think, i got soccer in the morning. I got all this other stuff. And youre a father. Yeah. Lets take a break and talk about fatherhood. I wonder what kind of dad your. I suspect youre a smiling assassin. I fully support you as long as you come first. Exactly. Now you can create your own perfect plate of pasta at olive garden, with our new cucina mia menu, for just 9. 99. Choose the Homemade Sauce that tempts you the most. Like our addictively creamy garlic asiago, devilishly spicy diavolo or gardenfresh primavera with roasted vegetables. All made from scratch and made to order. Served with your choice of our new artisinal pastas including gluten free. New cucina mia is all about flavor, all about you, and all just 9. 99. At olive garden, were all family here. Iwe dont back down. We only know one direction up so were up early. Up late. 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Its a rite of passage in a cuban family. Taking jake to his very first baseball game. How old are you . Four. When did you turn four . Yesterday. Dallas mavericks owner mark cuban is with me. You have young jake you just called the jakinator. No pressure, jake. I would imagine youre the kind of dad that wants to beat him at checkers, right . You dont let people win easily, even your kids. I do want to beat him. Uno ill kick his ass. Your dad like that with you . Not so much. My dad worked so much we really didnt get many of those opportunities. But yeah, with my kids when we compete on something, like i have my daughter playing basketball, i wont coach them, right . But ill definitely encourage them. Its fun. Its fun. I just try to have fun with them. Therell be a moment my three sons are older, 20, 16 and 13 the two older ones as long as youve tried to beat them in from everything a very early age, when they finally beat you theyre going to rub it in. It means so much more. Table tennis, tennis, now they beat me at everything. But the moment they knew they could take down their father . Knowing i was trying my best . They love that. You get to understand the competitive nature of your kids, too. Which are more competitive, how far you can push them and not push them. I dont want to be the overbearing dad. I want to be supportive, want them to love what they do. I always tell them when you get really good at something you like it a whole lot more. But i dont want to be the overpushing do so much. I want them to pick what they like. If they want to compete ill compete. What do your parents make of your astonishing success . They cry. Ompletely selfmade . I just let them do whatever they want, go whatever they want. I think theyre still stunned. I remember when i was in high school, my mom worked for a real estate company. And she got bob freedman, the guy she worked for, to teach me a trade to protect me, right . So i literally had to go and install carpet at this one commercial setting. She wanted me to have a trade just in case something quite didnt go right with my career. I was the worlds worst carpet installer. But somebody thats tripping over carpet in this little apartment complex to this day. But yeah, theyre stunned. And just being able to spend money on them and give them all the stuff they could ever have dreamed of, is that one of the great pleasures of your life and your achievement . Absolutely. On one hand with my parents, its wonderful. And on the other hand its the scariest thing ever with my kids. Because i dont want them to feel entitled. I want them to have to earn things. Im not the dad that comes home with 30 presents to try to earn their love. I never buy them presents ever. When its time the holidays and birthdays i order some things last minute at amazon that comes already package and everything. Picked with love of course. But i dont want them to ever think that this is just theirs and an entitlement. My sons have to give me a business plan. If they want a jacket. They have to give me a business plan. My daughter wants a dog. I gave her a list of things she had to accomplish. She got through it i was surprised. I said now i need a plan. She said i can deal with the responsibility. I said put together a powerpoint my daughter came home and said youve got to help me come up with a business idea. She was all excited and distracted. Shell get back on it. Yeah, its always exciting to me when my kids just come up with new ideas, like any parent, i just want them to find their own way. Ive avoided politics too much, because i think it can be quite tedious interviewing somebody like you. But on a wider note, leadership seems to be in a vague form of paralysis in washington generally at the moment. When you look at it as an american, what is the answer to get through all of this . I think were in a transitional time. In an era where social media has changed how the media in general it used to be there were three networks, then seven networks. Now people dont read the newspaper, they dont all watch the same news shows. Theres the old saying that if its important to me, it will find me. I think politicians are ignorant of how to use media right now. Because of that, they go to their comfort zones. When everybody does that, everybody bumps heads. So you see so much partisanship, because thats the only way they see results. So well go through this transition period. As people get more comfortable and things sort out, well see stronger leadership. I dont care what kind of leader you are, if you cant reach the people youre supposed to be leading and communicate with them, it doesnt work. Most people in washington, everybody went, a, what is that . And b, how can it be worth that money . You might be going, thats quite cheap. Youre familiar with that media. If youre going to keep up with whats happening in the world today and try to be a leader, have any impact on society, business, politics, whatever it may be, if youre not keeping with whats going on, youre lost, because the world isnt going to be run by people who control metal anymore. Its not about bullets. Its about bytes. Its the people who understand bits and bytes and programming that will have the greatest programming. Im not worried about the next pearl harbor, im worried about the cyber attacks, High Frequency trading, things you dont see coming until its too late. I think thats changing dramatically. So all my kids love snap chat. Its interesting. Snap chat is becoming a social network, i had all my problems with the s. E. C. , so im gearing people towards the zero footprint life. I had someone write an app called cyber dust. Its basically snap chat for text. My lawyers, my bankers, brokers, thats how i communicate with them because i want it to disappear in 30 seconds. 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Right now we put everything into google and expect a response. Ive got companies that put a patch on, it will tell ive got a company that counts people in realtime, and be able to give you information that you dont even know you need but will need rather than you having to think what do i need and typing it into google. Thats the nearterm. Longterm its personalized medicine. As processing gets faster, faster, we can decode our dna, decode down to rna protein levels and the concept that jake, my 4yearold, when he has kids lets say, his kids will go to the drugstore and will take an allergy medication that has a warning that says you might be the one that dies from this will seem barbaric. His kids will say oh, we can tell that youre suffering from allergies right now. Bam, out of the printer comes this pill or whatever it is or a patch to put on you that takes care of your allergies. Amazing. I wish i had your brain, mark cuban. Yeah, whatever. Been great to talk to you. Your book how to win at the sport of business and shark tank airs on fridays. Mark cuban, remarkable ban. Thats all for us tonight. Good night. Good evening. New calls to stop the bill that some say protects religious freedom. Two former republican president ial candidates weigh in. Supporters of the bill are avoiding us. Interest groups wont come on this show to defend it. And this young boy is at the center of a medical mystery. His battle with a crippling disease and spreading fear throughout the country. Is amanda knoxs exboyfriend turning on him . What hes saying what she did shortly after the murder. We begin with the growing