Behavior in the locker room . Its president s day, what better day to ask how president obamas doing. George zimmerman still claiming hes a victim in the Trayvon Martin case. Joining me now is nancy grace, on hln every night. Before we start, let me play exactly what George Zimmerman said about him as a victim here. I certainly wasnt a victim when i was having my head bashed into the concrete and my nose broken and beaten. I wouldnt say i was not a victim. And i try not to think about that too much, because i theres nothing i can do about being a victim or not being a victim. That was to Cnns Chris Cuomo this morning. Nancy, i watched that as it unfolded this morning on cnn. The whole idea of a banner headline with George Zimmerman, headline, i was a victim. What do you make of it . Well, its very, very disturbing. And frankly, hes got a lot of nerve, Trayvon Martin is dead. At least zimmerman is going to get out and do his artwork online and sell it for 100 grand and his groupies, and boxing matches for charity. While trayvon mart season never getting out of his coffin. Zimmerman needs to go away and stop rubbing salt in my wound. I want to play another clip here. This is when zimmerman talks about the night itself and his feelings on what he should have done. I think about that night. And think my life would be tremendously easier if i had stayed home. What struck me was this narcissism of all this. Really, all hes thinking about is his own life, him being a victim, when Trayvon Martin, a 17yearold unarmed teenager is dead. Im sure that in his own mind he feels victimized, you would expect at this point for him to be able to show enough class, enough dignity to not try to seek that manned el and mandate. And talk more about the harm and the pain and suffering of the Trayvon Martin family, when you dont see that, and you see the other side, whether itsed arrest or the other stuff. You feel like, not only did the guy get away with, he doesnt seem to have learned very much. Thats what seems to hurt people who care about this situation, hopefully the country learned something, but apparently zimmerman did not. Wait, you expected zimmerman to learn something from this . One can pray. There are reams and reams and reams of when he wanted to catch a black youth. He did it, he shot him dead. I dont expect him to learn anything. Ben ferguson, can you construct for me any form of rational defense for the way zimmerman is currently behaving . Well, i do think hes a victim of his own stupidity at this point. I mean, this happens to you, and you could say, look, im a victim of the obsession of the spotlight on this case. You might say, ill never be able to live without worrying that someones going to try to come after me, but that is the extent of it, i dont understand why he doesnt realize just go away. Just walk away from the cameras. You dont have to do the interviews, you dont have to sit down and tell your story. And youre not your story is not a sad story. Youre not some sort of victim from what happened after the fact. Now, that night, to be honest with you, no one really wants to hear about you becoming a victim regardless of the fight, regardless of the possible screams for help. Regardless of the facts of the case. I dont think he wants to live in he wont walk away from this. Before i come back to you nancy, i got into a Twitter Exchange with George Zimmerman after i tweeted youre not a victim George Zimmerman, youre someone who killed a 17yearold boy. And thats indisputably what he is, whether you agree with the final verdict or not, everyone knows and he accepts he killed a boy who it turned out was unarmed. He replied this, god bless you, you will be in my prayers which is a theme only god can judge me, its between me and him, now. That kind of religious defense. When i come to some of the other tweets in a moment, him relying on his religion on his faith, on god that hes only really now answerable to god, what did you make of that . Well, i really dont think god and jesus reallien watt to be dragged into George Zimmermans tweeting with you. But since you brought it up, i think hes in a position where he doesnt know what to say back. And you were talking about how somebody was, about him suffering, because he cant live in anonymity, he doesnt want anonymity, he wants this type of attention, hes living off of it, hes making money off of it, his last picture he traced, i think he stole it from ap. He made 100,000 off of not being anonymous, thats blood money. The more we talk about him, and put him on tv, the more money he makes off killing Trayvon Martin, thats what im saying. Okay. Let me turn back to you. Van jones, this exchange became quite an illuminating exchange about the kind of personality George Zimmerman has, i said, well, since youre citing god, George Zimmerman, try this, thou shalt not kill, exdouse 20 13. To which he said, when godless, i will see you in court. You cant shred and delete emails fast enough amigo. Anyone who doesnt go along with his way of looking at this he can sue. Which i thought was an extraordinarily deluded way of looking at this. When people go through things, they do become more religious. I dont challenge him for that, i think thats a good thing, maybe the only good thing ive heard, hes trying to do something along those lines. Thats a good thing. The problem is, you dont have to engage. And then when you start engaging, and then you someone says something you dont like, you think you can sue them, take them to court, you think you can do something, thats a problem. Somebody does something you dont like, youre going to whether its your girlfriend, Trayvon Martin, youre going to get them, youre going to do something. Its the same pattern, the problem is, you put this stuff on full display, and everyone can see it, and you wonder why people dont want to have anything to do with it. After he shot Trayvon Martin, did he find god and before he pulled a knife on his girlfriend . Pulling god or christ out of your back pocket and slinging them around. I dont think thats a good thing. I dont think its slinging them around. Youre making the case for him as in saying that hes a victim. Because youre saying hes a killer. Well, a court said it was selfdefense. So hes not let me finish. If you are George Zimmerman, do you want to be labelled as a do you want to be labelled as a killer when the court said that it was selfdefense . You obviously dont like the opinion of the court, piers, you dont either. No, no, no, no, no. Im not you keep referring to it as if hes a murderer. Im not saying anything about that court decision. I made my feelings clear, thats irrelevant. Im disputing the fact that you dont think hes a killer. Hes a murderer, and when you act as if he went out there and just started shooting at people or walked up and started killing someone cold blooded. What do you think happened, the boy was unarmed, just like with michael dunn, he killed an unarmed youth. I dont know if youve ever nancy, nancy, nancy tried cases or dealt with the legal system, but to me, thats open and shut. Someone is dead, thats a murder. Youre totally leaving out the core part of what the jury and thank goodness you werent on that jury, they looked at the facts and you dont want to deal with the fact that there was look around yourself, are you in a court of law . Youre in a tv studio. Were not so are you. Let me Say Something here, i want to Say Something here. Yeah, i sure am. First of all, he certainly is a killer, the question is whether he is a murderer, the court said hes not a murderer, they said he was justified with selfdefense, using a law that a lot of people have objections to. The reality is, he is a killer, he did take a life, and he has to live with that, my problem with the whole situation is, increasingly, youre seeing him when hes not in the news for doing something dangerous toward a member his girlfriend, whoever it is, his exwife, hes jumping into the media for no reason at all. I think that is a part of the problem here. Well, van. Hen watted to be a big shot out there, he wanted to be this superhero, and now he has nothing going for him but to keep relitigating this. Thats the problem. Its the tone he adopts when he adopts this. Another tweet i sent me, piersy you will get what you deserve. Treating the whole thing as a bit of a joke. Underlying it, a certain reaction airy tone. A menacing tone against someone he cant control. No matter what, everything was not allowed to get in front of that jury, juries are not perfect, theyre just the best thing weve got. You have this threatening menacing tone against you, against anybody who doesnt agree with him. And yet people want to pretend this guy lets take a short break, i want to carry on this in another block, we have the michael dunn case, almost an identical scenario, really of a man finding himself in a conflict with a 17yearold unarmed young black boy. And he ends up killing him. And he has not been convicted of murder. Lets get to the verdict after the break. 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A 17yearold young black teenager minding his own business, playing a bit of music a little too loudly. And an older man coming over, poking his nose in, where he hadnt been asked to, making false assumptions, and shooting him dead and not being convicted of murder. Whats going on here . Is it a florida issue . Or a cultural issue . What is it . Well, a lot of people suggest its a florida issue. When you look at tot mom and zimmerman, and now this i get it. But the thing about florida, they are the only state that have cameras in the courtroom no questions asked. So we see whats happening in the courtroom. At least zimmerman had one band aid on the back of his head. Remember that band aid he had on the back of his head . Michael dunn didnt even have that. He admitted to police that he may have imagined that the teen, jordan davis had a gun. There was no gun. There was never a gun. And the jury verdict is very, very disturbing. Now many people will say, you know what, just take what you got, its 60 to 90 years guaranteed. I as a crime victim myself, i dont agree with that, i think the case regarding this boy, jorden davis needs to be retried for murder one. Here are my problems with this. If dunn and zimmerman had not been carrying guns, then these two young boys who were unarmed as it turned out, regardless of any fear they had been felt by the people shooting the guns, they would be alive, right . Theres a gun accessibility are you back on gun control again . If it werent for the british, we won the have to have gun to protect ourselves. The british were running through all of our homes trying to take our stuff. Were protected under the constitution. Its not right for a brit to jump up and Start Talking to us about gun control. You will be unsurprised to hear i couldnt disagree with you more. It comes down to a brit because you cant sort out your own gun problems. Lets not talk about gun control, because nancys made her statement, and i have reposted. Lets talk about racial profiling or the fear element in here of an older man coming face to face with a black teenager and fearing he was going to be shot and using that as justification to kill that teenager dead. I think theres two cases. One is, you had an altercation, you had zimmerman who called police, this dunn case is totally different. Not only does he shoot someone he unloads on a car fleeing the scene. And he didnt have to do that. The other issue is, he didnt call the police. Which means he knew he probably did something incredibly wrong and was afraid that someone may have been shot or killed because of his actions. If youre in the right, you dont have a problem calling 911, theres a difference there zimmerman did call 911, he didnt just have a band aid as nancy said. He had blood coming from his nose and there was a struggle on the ground. As a victim of crime you should know that doesnt matter. Id like to see what you do if someone was beating you up and youre on the ground, nancy . What are you going to get up . I wouldnt shoot an unarmed person. He knew he wasnt supposed to be out with a gun, that was a rule of neighborhood watch. He goes out, looking to find somebody, and he does. What a surprise. Van jones. The reality, neither michael dunn nor George Zimmerman had poked their nose into other peoples business without any good reason, they would both those boys be alive. Thats what my problem is. Is there a racial element to these two stories which links them . I think there is. These stories just chill my blood, theyre heartbreaking, very hard, you dont know how youre supposed to raise your kids. Neither one of these boys who are dead, theyre not involved in gangs or any of that stuff. Most americans now are on dr. Kings side. Do you think that white people are better than black people, they will tell you no they can pass a lie detector test. Thats a huge victory given 400 years where that wasnt true. The problem is its the sub conscious mind thats doing the work here. You can show pictures of africanamerican boys and young men they dont register with their faces. Even though 85 of the white people who are killed are actually killed by white people, white people are afraid of black people. Statistically, thats insane. Theres a stereo tape that gets in there, we need to upgrade our loss to take advantage of what we know about the brain science. I have to leave it there, because you guys have to go. Watch nancy grace nightly on hln at 8 00 p. M. Figures just out yesterday, showed that the total number of gun murders in england and wales for 2012, 13 for the year, 29. Just as you said earlier, mind your own business. Right, nancy, im going to put my nose into your business for a moment. Mind your own business. Be glad im not packing heat, piers. 29 gun murders in one calendar year, the lowest since 1980. Thats 34 years. You know what, piers. Ive spent my whole legal career fighting gun violence. So youre preaching to the choir. Let me say one thing, i do believe i spent my whole legal career fighting violence. In florida, i believe there should be a mind your own business law. The stand your ground law should be repealed, there should be a mind your own business law. Stop going up to kids and challenging them and trying to police their music or whatever. Mind your own business law. Im in favor of that. Thank you both for joining me. It was good to have you all. Thank you very much. When we come back, president obamas dropping approval rating, does it matter . And the newest member of the cnn family talking about that. Another president on president s day. Listen to what george w. Bush said about his Wounded Warriors on the show. 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The news from this president s day is not so good. Well talk about all that, my newest cnn colleague. Welcome to you. Youre in the chair tonight. Its good to have you here. Good to have you on board. You were talking during the break about this michael dunn case. Right. And the zimmerman case. We have these two cases not dissimilar, where people have got into scrapes and the up shot is, two 17yearold kids have been shot dead. I find dunns account to be incredible. I say that, because im in a firefight and i have clean hands and i did perceive there to be a weapon that im responding to. The first thing i do is call the police. He never called the cops, i cant get over that, but as i look at the verdict, what occurs to me, is that that was a jury that was prepared to put the hammer down. Im not sure about the zimmerman jury, this jury was prepared to do justice as they saw it. As evidenced by the fact that there were three guilty verdicts in that case. So it makes me wonder, did the prosecution overcharge. Should this have been a manslaughter case. Nancy grace gave me a few jibes about gun control there. My issue about the gun thing in all these cases, this kind of dispute, if it happened in england or australia or japan or wherever, it will be settled with fists or whatever. Right. It would never be settled with guns. Right. How do you explain the fact that so Many Americans now, their instant reaction, whether its a Movie Theater, walking along with a kid like Trayvon Martin coming toward you, or whether its michael dunn with these kids in the car making noise, the reaction is always to shoot . How do you change that . I think the nra has been too successful, theyve been too successful in so far as this has now become the culture. I believe that 99. 5 of their membership are probably law abiding and not going to use that weapon. I agree. Theyve created a climate where there are just too many weapons, i say that as a firearm owner. You look at what happened in the tampa Movie Theater and it makes the point you were illustrating. I find that an awful story. Hes texting to see if his kid is okay. Yeah. Lets turn to politics. Does it matter that obamas Approval Ratings are a bit down. Does every president turn a blind eye to this kind of poll . Does it have an impact on them . It has an impact for us, we love talking about it. I dont think it has an impact for him day too day. The numbers will continue to ebb and flow, and well be sitting here many, many years after hes left office debating the obama legacy, and it will rise and fall based on the Affordable Care act. We dont know which way its going to go. Outside of obama care, ive always been a fan of obama care, i thought the way it was implemented was a disaster. He can come through that, but i thoug thought, what else do you consider what would c constitute a great legacy. Half of the electorate has drawn a line in the sand. No matter which way this thing goes, theyre not going to give him credit for it. A case can be made that we skirted financial hardship, that we really could have taken this thing in a downward direction. The dow has turned around, unemployment is at 6. 5 . The deficit is a share of gdp has declined and home prices are on the rise. Theres an economic funk out there, because i dont know that people appreciate that which already has turned a corner, and he hasnt convinced them. Thats a failure on his part. Hes a great advocate when hes running for office. He hasnt been a great advocate for himself as the president. Lets turn to Hillary Clinton. This is what mitt romney told me about the press and hillary. The times when he was president were by and large positive Economic Times for the country. On the other end he embarrassed the nation, he breached his responsibility as an adult, and as a leader. In his relationship, and i think thats very unfortunate. I dont think thats Hillary Clintons to explain. She has her own record, her own vision for where she would take the country and thats something which will be debated extensively during the 2016 campaign. See, i agree i thought that was a measured way of dealing with it, i agree with him. I dont see why Hillary Clinton if she runs, should be judged the entire period of the campaign on what her husband did 16 years ago. Well, if i were Hillary Clinton, i would be hoping that all of those charges would be raised, because all it does is make her that much more of a sympathetic figure. I cant understand why rand paul continues to talk about it, unless his objective is to raise money. The clintons are just fabulous in terms of raising money on the right, but beyond that, theres no net plus for the republicans. If she runs, whos she going to face, if i asked you three or four months ago, we may have said, Chris Christies the man. I still may say that. You think he can come through . It dpernds if theres anything, if theres one shred of evidence, one witness, one email out there that contradicts what he said in that marathon press conference, then hes finished, otherwise, you know the way the media functions, we love building him up, tearing him down, its time to be built back up again, if there were a strong field. If there were someone among those republican competitors who was a likely successor meaning as the frontrunner, i would feel differently. Marco rubio, ted cruz, i dont see it in the cards for any of them. What about rand paul . I dont think that rand paul can lay claim to the christie constituency, i think the christie constituency is whatevers left of moderates within the gop. There arent too many of them there. Could rand paul rally the call base of the Party Perhaps better than chris chrisdy . I dont think so. I think that rand pauls problem is the problem faced by his father. His father always made a lot of sense to me on Foreign Policy issues, meaning, we should stay out of a lot of these foreign entanglements. The issue is that father paul was always someone who appealed in College Dormitories but could never go mainstream. Im not sure that rand paul could do that which ron was never able to do. Lets turn to the ladies. Michelle obama is ranked among the top five first ladies in a survey questioning scholars. One was roosevelt, dolly madison, and then Michelle Obama. What do we think of Michelle Obama . Well, thank god youre not asking me about Abigail Adams many i think Michelle Obama, those numbers are reflective of the fact that we look at the way theyre raising the daughters. There hasnt been a hint of anything embarrassing, relative to the obama family unit. I think she deserves and is afforded great credit for that. She also gets the attributes that the husband gets, she doesnt get the liabilities, people arent holding her accountable for obama care if they dont appreciate the way in which that was rolled out. I met her once, she was utterly delightful. Completely warm, friendly and charming, i thought, thats great, shes actually how i hoped she would be. There was a charicature created of her during the campaign, shes been able to break free of hers than he has. I think thats true. Thanks for having me. Well be right back. Were awed by the responsibility on my shoulders. Last night we spent there, i had not been to sleep for three nights. I had been negotiating to get the hostages released from iran. I was very full of prayer that my peaceful approach to iran would result in the hostages being released. No matter how busy your morning you can always do Something Better for yourself. And better is so easy with benefiber. Fiber thats tastefree, gritfree and dissolves completely. 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Joining me now, brett tess letter, the agent for player a now identified as Andrew Mcdonald. Thank you for joining me. Ive done a lot on this story in the last few months. I never had a huge amount of sympathy for Jonathan Martin, because i thought, these guys are huge blochs in a sporting locker room, you know, surely they cant be the kind of bullying we are talking about. I read the details of this report, i have to say, i found it horrifying, and i revised my opinion. Am i wrong to do that. No, youre not wrong whatsoever. People are entitled to feel how they feel about it. Different guys are wired different ways, and while im not here to speak on behalf of Jonathan Martin or richie incogni incognito, andrew asked me to come on here because people are talking about this regardless. Its better for me to be here to tell his side of the story as opposed to having it told for us. Right, and im going to talk to Kenny Zuckerman after you, actually. Lets talk about this player. Andrew mcdonald, known as blair a. When you read the details in the report about him, a lot of it is bordering on outright abuse, harassment, homophobia, even though theres no suggestion about sexuality im aware of. How did your client say was he pleased . Is his name in this report . What does he think . Obviously not at all pleased, piers. I dont think anybody wants to be associated with the things that are contained within this report. But it kind of became known that he was player a because Richie Incognitos attorney released a text a couple weeks ago that Jonathan Martin had sent to richie that included Andrew Mcdonald in it, and when the report came out, it reiterated that story, and so people are able to put two and two together. So naturally, no, nobody wants to be associated with Something Like this, especially a young player like andrew who is trying to move ahead. Hes been with another organization for about a half a year, and obviously hes done a nice job there throughout the last year, they signed him to a new contract for 2014. So yeah, its one of those deals where he didnt ask for this, he certainly didnt want to be this rust into the public eye, andrews a low key guy who would rather go about his business and let football do the talking. Its interesting to me in the report, dolphins offensive line coach was aware of the running joke that player a was gay open on at least one occasion he participated in the taunting. The coach gave the offensive lineman a gift bag. The gifts included inflatable female dolls, except player a who received a male blowup doll. Dont even kash about the sexuality of Andrew Mcdonald. Its up to him if he ever wants to tell anybody. What i thought was interesting was the juxtaposition of this report saying that. And now the College Football player has to go into this environment where this is deemed to be perfectly acceptable behavior. No, youre correct, piers. I think the reason why coach turner gave andrew that gag gift is because he probably felt comfortable enough with their relationship, and the reason why a guy like andrew was able to kind of take it in stride is because he is confident in his sexuality, and not that thats really the point here, but as far as it related to andrew, he was able to let it roll off his back, as a young player, you really need to remain focused at the task at hand and in the case of andrew, that was just going out every day and doing what he could despite whatever was going on around him, and, you know, andrews a mentally tough guy who was able to fight through it, and apparently as weve seen, you know, for someone like Jonathan Martin, it appears it became too much. Do you think that this may draw a berline in the sand about where banter begins and ends . And genuine harassment and abuse and bullying starts . I absolutely do, piers. If anything good is going to come from this, its going to be that. Usually for any major change to come, sometimes it takes an extreme instance like whats gone down here, but obviously workplace hazing, things like this have gone on in many different arenas, you know, not just the National Football league, it goes on in the military, the police academy, fire academy, celebrity apprentice, you know, it goes on many different places. Tell me about it. Exactly. But again its just all about perspective, and in the case of a guy like Andrew Mcdonald, just to show the kind of character he is, you know, he still, despite all this feels terrible about the way this is affected coach turners reputation, he feels like coach turner is the greatest coach that hes ever played for. And somebody who he had a very, very close relationship with. Thank you very much indeed for joining me. 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Jonathan martin is the man in the middle of the nfl bullying scandal. As i said earlier i wasnt sure what to make of this really in the months i have been covering it. I was leaning towards did your client not be able to deal with regular banter in the locker room . Then i read the full report and realized it was not just banter but abuse, harassment and bullying. Do you think it will have an affect on people when they see this report as its come out . Definitely. I think it will be a really positive situation moving forward. And i think teams and players are going to look at this, and you know, second guess or think about things before they do it. What does jonathan feel about this now, now that the dust has settled and the emotions have calmed down and he has had a chance to reflect on it all . Piers, im not going to get into that. I think jonathan is just happy this is behind him and he can focus on playing football. He has called me two or three times in the last couple weeks and emphasized how much better he feels and how excited he is to get on the field in 2014. Thats the issue here and for him to get back on the field is going to be really good for everyone, including society. We have seen a few cases recently where players emotions and behavior have been analyzed by everybody, is there room for that behavior in the nfl. Where will the lines be drawn about how you take these guys who on the pitch you want to be often murderous barbarians, and away from the pitch to be polite, gentle people. Well, i mean, thats a great question. Having played division i College Football, it took me a while to really understand that times are changing now, and societys changing now and we have to treat things different and we have to be much more positive and work as a unit toward keeping everyone, no matter who you are, from any race or color or creed, everyone has to be accepted. And we have to make that environment safe. What is the plan for jonathan . Is he ready to play for the team . Have you had offers from other teams . Right now the Miami Dolphins have his rights. We cannot talk to other teams until they give us permission. This week we will see what they want out of this deal. But i expect it will be a substantial amount of teams that are interested in a young, athletic offensive tackle. What about Richie Incognito . He has been tweeting away saying you couldnt define me in 144 years, let alone 144 pages, mr. Wells. He quit twitter. I want everyone to know im in good spirits and look forward to playing again one day. Should Richie Incognito be given another chance . You know, thats not for me to say. And i dont want to judge him. Im only concerned about jonathan and what happens to other youth or Young Athletes around the country and how they deal with it. Whatever happens to richie, happens to rich y. The report speaks for itself. Should sports boss, coachs, managers, chief executives, so on, should they be taking more responsibility about behavioral issues . Has there simply been not enough attention over the yeergs, allowing the players to get the wrong idea about where lines and boundaries are drawn . Well, i think, this is a this will change a lot of things. I think that we saw all these big companies, whether its toyota, nabisco, they changed over the years and i think the nfl is too. And i think were going to see a lot of positive changes in nfl locker rooms. How would you describe, finally, jonathans state of mind right now . Do you feel like hes over it . Has he got to a place you suggest head might with in a happier place. But is he ready to play professional football at the highest level do you think . As you know im not a Health Professional but he sounds great. He sounds positive and i think he just wants to get on the field and let it go and see where he stands. He has been working hard, going to stanford, going to class with some of the Football Players and working out in the weight room with the strength coach. He sounds great. And i think that 2014 will be a positive year for him. Richie incognito says i apologize for acting like a big baby for the last few days. I dont think the last few days is what id say. Anyway, kenny its good to talk dwrouch you. I would love to talk to jonathan. The report made awful reading for anyone who doubted the scale of what had gone out. I put myself in that category and apologize if i understated the kind of thing he had been through. We would love to talk to him. Thank you very much. Thanks, piers. Thanks for having me. Well be right back. The First Technology of its kind. Mom and dad, i have great news. Is now providing answers families need. Siemens. Answers. Are you flo . Yes. Is this the thing you gave my husband . Well, yeah, yes. The name your price tool. 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