0 believe it or not, he says the whole thing is in the name of conservation. he'll be here exclusively. plus the class of 2016 under fire. hillary clinton and chris christie. i'll talk to two republicans who say she should take a lesson from him. john mccain and rudy giuliani are here. and new year new you. if there's one thing everyone need it's money advice. i've got the perfect person for that, dave ramsey. he is here live with the five things you need to do to put your financial house in order. we begin with someone who may be the most controversial man on planet earth right now. corely nolton says he's been getting death threats since he paid $350,000 for the right to hunt and kill a rare black african rhino. he joins me now exclusively. corey, welcome to the show. tap your name into any form of social media right now and never mind animals you want to kill, people want to kill you. how do you justify what you have done? >> well, i justify anytime the name of conservation. in belief system in sustainable use. i am very knowledgeable and very educated on the subject about what's going on. the moneys needed. i think i got a long list of justifications. >> why do you think people have reacted to venomously to the news that you have paid this money to go and kill an endangered black rhino? >> i think honestly it has to do education. i think a lot of misinformation and misdirection. i think people, piers, they don't actually know the situation on the ground. i really don't. i think if people knew what's going on and understood it better, i think the vast majority of people wouldn't be that way. wouldn't feel that way, piers. i really don't. >> here's what -- have you read all the reaction for the last couple of hours to try and get a sense of why people are so enraged? here's what the common theme is. if you wanted to contribute money to help conservation in that area, to help other animals and rye knows an so on, why not just give the money to those involved in that? why do you need to actually get in a car, take some kind of assault rifle or whatever it may be, i can ask you what you're going to use, and shoot a black rhino and as you have done many times on your facebook, pose for a trophy photograph with a dead animal? that's what they say. >> okay. that's what they say. the reality is, these animals in this situation, in namib irk a,the ministry environment of tourism, have earmarked a select group of animals that are killers. they're killing the other rhinos. they're actually the biggest killers of rhinos in the area. and so throughout -- they put this group of experts together. they went out there. they identified them as a problem. and they need to be for lack of a better term exterminated for the species to continue. and it to be a good ecosystem right there. now, the question about the money, why would i spend the money? is that what you were asking? why not just give it to them? >> yes. >> i think that's beside the point. it's going to happen, anyway. my feeling about hunting and my feeling about conservation is a belief system that i have. and i feel like it's going to the right cause. and i feel like it is. i don't think it makes me a bigger man. i actually think, piers, i think it can make me a dead man. this is like one of the most dangerous animals in the world. i've hunted animals all over the world, led expeditions all over the world. this is probably the most dangerous situation that i'll ever be in outside of walking around right now with all the people that want to kill me. okay? >> here's the trouble, corey. people are listening to this going, really? that dangerous? isn't it very very likely that what's going to happen here is that you are going to take a large gun and you're going to shoot one of the only 5,000 or so remaining black rhinos in the world. and again, i would put it to you what the argument against what you're doing is, which is if you feel that strongly about it, then just give them the money to help with the general conservation in that area. do not go over there as a kind of wealthy american trophy hunter, and i speak on behalf of fellow americans on social media who don't like the way you're representing them, going over there and just glorying in the death of this black rhino. that is what they say and that is what they believe. >> and i understand that's what they say and what they believe. but it is absolutely not the case, okay? i'm going to be there with a team of experts. now listen, you said okay, 5,000 black rhino. it's a very thick area, okay? we're going to be looking for five or less black rhino in an area where there's plenty. there's a surplus amount of them. that's why they're allowing it, the government has selected it to happen. okay? >> you're not disputing -- >> whoa whoa whoa, piers. let me finish. you asked me a question. >> finish it. but i do contest that point. i want you to accept one thing before you continue. do you accept it's in the 16 most endangered species of animal on the planet? do you accept that as a straight point? >> i accept as a starting place -- point in namibia that there's surplus of them and they're about to be taken off of the endangered species list, piers. there are a surplus amount. now let's get back to what you said. because this is very important. i want to address the question you asked me. that area is extremely thick, and we're looking for five out of hundreds. you can't just see it's not like a wide open africa what people think. it's a brushy, nasty place. we have to get close to one of the most dangerous animals in the world, and it's very likely to charge us and possibly kill us, okay? i'm sure that will make half the people in the world happy, piers. maybe more of them. but the fact is, it's a dangerous situation. there's experts there that have earmarked them. and they're killing themselves already. so to that end i'm a hunter, i want to experience a black rhino. i want to be there and be a part of it, okay? i believe in the cycle of life. i don't believe that meat comes from the grocery store. i believe that animal died and i respect it. and piers, i haven't shot a black rhino yet, have i? i'm going on a black rhino hunt. i'm going on a conservation hunt for earmarked animals that are killers, killing other rhinos. >> let me address that point. because jeff flocken from the international fund for animal welfare says honestly it's a farce to say this is being done for conservation. i do agree that there is sometimes a need to manage wildlife population in small areas. but there are less than 5,000 individuals left of the species. instead of killing it they can be moved to a different area, used to bring in photo tourism or ecotourism, something that doesn't actually involve killing the animal. he's an animal welfare expert, one of the world's leading experts. >> that's great. i understand he's an animal welfare expert. i'm going to defer to the scientists at the i.u.n. specialist group for rhinos, the foremost expert in the world. i'm going to defer to 177 nations that are members of cides. to the u.s. fish and wildlife service who are all 100% behind this. i'm going to defer to the wwf, who's also behind this. so i'm glad he feels that way. i did not create this plan, piers. they created this plan. i'm the one that believes in it enough to put my money where my mouth is. i'm not just sitting at home watching a discovery channel. i'm not condemning those people. it's wonderful they're getting to see wildlife. but i understand these animals are going to die, anyway. you cannot grant them eternal life any more than i can. out there it is a crazy, wild world where these things kill each other. and i'm actually -- >> if you kill it, corey, if you kill it will you can as you have done many times posting a picture of you smiling and celebratory by the dead rhino? do you intend to do that? >> i intend to take trophy photos of the animal in a respectful manner so i can remember it, so i can give it to the namibian people and honor the animal as what it is, a very special. >> corey, do you understand that you may well have an argument on the conservation side. i don't know enough about that side of it. but i read enough today to understand there is a debate about that. and you may well have an argument. what people hate about this kind of trophy hunting is the trophy aspect. they hate if they love animals seeing people like you with a lot of money going over there, hunting down enendangered species then proudly boasting of what you've done and posing for pictures which you look like you're celebrating. you've read the reaction >> yes. and i think hate -- look speaking of that, i want to go back to it. that's urban sentiment versus science, okay? urban sentiment is hate. i'm being part of science. all these countries i hunted in, piers, all across africa, all across central asia, they put these programs. i'm a member of a group of people who care enough to put their money where their mouth is. now, as far as celebrating the hunt? piers, i didn't -- look at it. i grew up very, very poor in poverty, piers. okay? when i went hunting as a child it was my granddad and my dad. we looked at hunting as a sell brags and camaraderie together a special time together. i understand these people don't understand it. they didn't grow up that way, okay. piers, just like the gun thing, you've been attacked just the way i am about your views of guns, okay? and we're human beings, both you and i. i don't think you should be hated because you believe that. i don't think i should be hated because i lead my life a certain way. they're threatening my childrens, periods. they're threatening to kill me. the fbi is alerted. the las vegas s.w.a.t. team is on alert. i have security going everywhere i go. that's the hate i'm dealing with. >> has the reaction, however well-reasoned or unreasoned, has the venom of the reaction and the amount of the reaction made you think twice about going through with this? >> it hasn't made me think twice, but piers, to be honest, 100% i had no idea thought would be this visceral. i had no idea that they would be attacking my 2-year-old daughter and my 7-year-old daughter and my beautiful young wife, and they want to kill us all and burn us and make a "saw" movie out of us, piers. these are the type of things that i'm getting, okay? now look, you can say what you want to say about hunting and say what you want to say about me and say it's an egotistical thing. it's not. it's a belief system, a belief in conservation for me, piers. that's what it is. and you have a belief about firearms, about a lot of things. i respect your belief. man, if i was right there, piers, i'd hug you, okay? i'm a good human being. just because i have a different belief than them, i don't hate them. i respect them. it's just like bob barker. he said what he said about it, all right? and bob, he's a well-intended person. he would not say these things about killing my kids, all right? but i want to learn about "the price is right" and i want to learn about plinko i'll talk to bob barker. if i want to learn about conservation i'm going to defer to the experts at the iucn and cides. all the hate talking about, the one thing i will say to bob barker is, the price was wrong. the contribution would have been much higher and everybody would have been much better for it, even up to $1 million, they scared these people away because they didn't want to go through what i'm going through now. these are big -- they're wealthy people. they have employees. they have to care about them. and they want to be a part of it. and so they've actually made the price and the whole thing point of this go lower. if i had more money at the time i'd have given them. >> listen, corey, i appreciate you coming on the show tonight to give your side of it. it is a debate that is raging. i urge people to study the debate in detail as i did today. because there are arguments on both sides. and you have people on your side, i know. i've read that argument, too. i think the point i would end with is simply having looked at the reaction, a lot of it is geared to the trophy picture. people do not like the idea of celebrating the slaughter of endangered species in the way that you have done before and clearly intend to do again with this black rhino. and i would think if i was in your position i would rethink -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> slaughter is a hard word. slaughter is not a word, that's not a fair comment at all, piers. okay? >> murder? >> no. what do you say when you're eating a steak, piers? do you say it was murdered, slaughtered, killed? these animals were killed the same way. >> corey, here's the difference. we all eat food every day. we don't all go and deliberately target endangered species. >> piers, if i enjoyed killing i'd work at the chicken plant. okay? i would. i'd sit there and kill things all day. it's not about enjoying killing. it's about a way of as hunters. it's about conservation. i put my money where my mouth is. say what you want, my friend, i put my money where my mouth is. bob barker, the rest of them, they could have gone down there and spent more money, couldn't they? they didn't. >> corey, you're clearly determined to do this. and it's an interesting discussion. please come back when you have gone through with this and we can discuss the reaction to what happens. >> piers, i'd love for you to come with me. >> there is not a cat in hell's chance of doing that. >> okay. no problem. i appreciate you having me on, piers. thank you. >> corey knoll ton, thank you very much. when we come back, john mccain is outraged about benghazi and says hillary clinton should be held accountable. rudy giuliani why he says clinton should learn from chris christie. ♪ [ male announcer ] what kind of energy is so abundant, it can help provide the power for all this? 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