August 1st. And perhaps even more sobering, pair that within certainly projections from the cdc and fema which show by the end of this month as many as 3,000 american lives could be lost every day along with 200,000 new cases per day. The white house is actually pushing back on that report in the New York Times saying it has yet to be analyzed by the Coronavirus Task force. Today the president is traveling to arizona to visit a company that manufactures protective masks. Its not yet clear if the president will be wearing one. Joining us now, cnn chief medical correspondent dr. Sanjay gupta and the director of the Harvard Global health institute. Sanjay, i want to start with you. Weve seen these models adjust overnight, the model out of the university of washington nearly doubled its projected death count. They say the reason why, we can put these four things up on the screen so people can see, the first two are increased mobility. People are moving around more. This isnt what will happen, this is what they say is happening. People are moving around more. And the second thing on that list is relaxed social distancing. What the model is saying is that people are not doing the things that they were supposed to be doing as part of the social distancing. They are not doing the things they were supposed to be doing as part of the cdc guidelines for reopening. What are you seeing here . Yeah, well, first of all, you know, these models are all over the place so people would be right to say, look, im looking at different numbers every day, what do they mean . And some of these inputs are certainly relevant and were driving it. I could tell you, it felt like the numbers were already going up even outside of the anticipated reopening of some of these states now. So that was the mobility, i guess, maybe people were starting to move around more. When we talked to chris murray, he said initially the mobility data suggested people were actually doing a pretty good job of staying at home. And the way that they got this data they were looking at cell phone carriers, anonymous data when they added in four cell phone carriers, a different picture started to emerge. People moving around more than they thought. But, right, its no surprise, to your point, that the numbers are anticipated to go up as these states start to reopen. There will be more infections, there will likely be more hospitalizations, and more deaths. And, you know, one thing, ill just say, maybe it goes without saying, is there are criteria to open up the states. The conversation right now in the United States seems to be not only do we want to open, we want to do it now and not even abide by the criteria that were set out. There were criteria. And so people are really, as dr. Fauci put it, leap frogging. Everybody wants things to open, but now no one even seems to want to Pay Attention to the ease easy to read criteria. Even some of that easy to read criteria, the 14 day trends, we know part of the guidance from the white house was that there should be a 14day decline in cases, if we look at putting up a couple states here, wisconsin, tennessee, texas, were certainly not seeing a 14day decline downward in that trend there. Does the science still i mean, i know the science matters, i dont mean that in a flip manner. But as we look at these numbers, to sanjays point, in a lot of cases this seems to be more about public sentiment than it is about public health. Yeah. So good morning. Let me say a couple of quick things on that. On the issue around the ihme, the Washington State model, we know that their model was way too conservative. Im pleased to see chris and his team update it. I still think its too conservative. It assumes that somehow the virus is going to go away by the end of june, which its not. So i think, unfortunately, even those numbers are still too low and but now if we move to what the states are doing, its really clear that most states are not following official guidelines. And those official guidelines, many of us have been advocating that those are the rules weve got to follow. And, you know, if you decide to ignore the science, you dont get to get away with it. The virus is going to come back. More people will get sick. More people will unfortunately die. We dont really have a choice on that. So im im really, you know, sort of saddened to see people ignoring the guidance and the science and just moving ahead. It is interesting, sanjay, because it does seem, youre hearing more people say outloud, this is the choice we are willing to make. I want you to listen to chris christie. Chris christie is no longer governor of new jersey. He is not making life and death decisions for anyone besides himself and his family. Still, he does raise the question about why isnt this like world war ii, he says. Listen to this. We sent our young men during world war ii over to europe out to the pacific knowing, knowing that many of them would not come home alive. And we decided to make that sacrifice because what we were standing up for was the american way of life. In the very same way now we have tro sta to stand up for the american way of life. What are those lives going to be worth if people cant go to work, if they cant support their families, if theyre going to become homeless, if they have to go to food banks every week to be able to feed their families . Thats not sustainable either. I dont know if thats a reasonable way to frame it, i dont know if the american way of life needs to be set up as something opposed to saving lives. But you do hear him asking the question, sanjay. John, we could reopen the country at some point, i mean, its the choice is a little bit of a false choice. I mean, as we were just talking about, there are criteria in place. What were saying right now and people should understand the conversation has become we dont even want to follow the criteria. We just want to do it now. Its just really its sort of a strange dissidents thats happening. Of course people want the country to reopen and i think everyone is sensitive to the pain economically and financially. But there are criteria in place. We have to abide by some of these guidelines in order to do this as safely as possible. And, by the way, there are countries around the world that are models to do this. New zealand, had is obviously a much smaller country, i get that, but theyve essentially gone down to a zero case count now. So they had a strict, stringent plan in place when they executed it. It seems to have worked. So, you know, there will be infections as places start to reopen, but there were criteria in place. I dont know what dr. Jha thinks of this, but the world war ii analogy seems a little bit off to me. Sacrifice is one thing. This is an Infectious Disease, so im going to sacrifice on behalf of you, on behalf of people i dont even know, people who are sick already have preexisting conditions who are elderly, is that what were really saying . Im not sure that i would use that as an apt metaphor for an Infectious Disease. Its also interesting, too, based on the conversations that we keep having about personal responsibility and what that means in a time of coronavirus and how its actually responsibility to your community. S sanjay, pulling off of that, we talk about wearing a mask to protect you, not just to protect myself. So its fascinating that we hear that narrative on the heels of there has to be some sacrifice in the terms of in terms of lives lost. Yeah. So let me let me build on sanjays point and talk about what governor cristie said. We keep setting the false choice. Heres the bottom line. We all want to open, and we can open and we do it if we were smart about how we did this. Its really straightforward. Weve got to keep things shutdown until the cases decline. We started letting up too soon. Weve got to get testing and tracing in place, and that brings the caseloads down and it lets us reopen safely. Heres the bottom line. If we dont do these things, its not like we get to have our american way of life back and some people die. Were going to have to shut down again because the number of cases is going to explode. So this is not about, you know, the american way of life or not, this is about doing it smartly versus doing it stupidly, sorry to use that word, and were going the wrong way on this. We can do this smartly, get our lives back and save lives. I dont understand why we just arent doing that and thats what we should be focused on. Sanjay, there have been a couple of medical developments over the last 24 hours. One, we heard from france that theyve gone back and retested some samples, i guess they were still around, and they had someone in the hospital they think in december with coronavirus. What does that tell you . Yeah, i mean, this is i guess what i would say is its a bit stunning but maybe not surprising at the same time, if that makes sense. I dont think that we ever thought that for sure we we had found the first patients in any country with coronavirus, not even in china probably. There were probably patients who had this before, you know, they were confirmed by testing. You remember back in february 6th i guess there was a patient in california who had died of coronavirus. They found out subsequent. And that means that it was already spreading in the community probably several weeks earlier. So this is quite a bit earlier. In europe i think the first case was confirmed end of january, Community Transmission was confirmed end of february. So now were seeing maybe there was Community Transmission in december. We dont know that for sure, this patient was a fish month g monger, may have come in contact with people from china. We dont know. But this backs the timeline a bit. I dont know that it means anything necessarily different going forward, but it is interesting to look at the timeline of this around the world. Dr. Jha, i find it fascinating and maybe its because im not a doctor, they had these frozen samples that were available and decided to go back and check them. How much does that happen around the u. S. . If theres a case that seems to not fit the bill of something that we know about, how often are those samples preserved for later testing . They often are. You know, obviously most samples are discarted after theyre tested for whatever they came for. But there are samples that go back, blood banks, others have samples to go back weeks or even months. On this one im not totally surprised either, as sanjay said. We know the outbreak started in november or december. Its possible people were traveling to france in december and somebody gave it to this person. Its not a total surprise, but it is much earlier than we were expecting. I wouldnt be surprised if we find a few of those cases even from december in the u. S. Or other european countries. Really is interesting to go back and think about how you felt as far back as december. I know a lot of people are doing that now. And some of these questions may never be answered. It is really an education to speak with you every morning, so thanks for being with us. This morning, the Trump Administration is calling it operation warp speed. The race to find a vaccine, they say, within months. But is that even possible . 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New this morning, the World Health Organization says there are 108 potential coronavirus vaccines in the works. Eight of them are now in Clinical Trials. How long, if ever, then, until we see a vaccine . Joining me now is the dean of the National School of tropical medicine at Baylor College of medicine involved in Vaccine Development. Doctor, youre like a human decoder ring for to us understand the terminology and understand how things really are proceeding. So when we talk about things in Clinical Trial, you say we should expect to see vaccines get through this level, but what does that mean exactly . Well, what it means is if you really want a vaccine as fast as possible, you want to have as we call it many shots on goal as possible. And the actual principle of making a vaccine against covid19 is not that complicated the what you need is an immune response against the spike protein. If youve ever looked at a car teen of a coronavirus and youve seen that donut with a piece of rna stuffed in the middle with a bunch of spikes sticking out all around it, that spike protein is what binds with our tissues, our host receptors. So if you make an immune response to it, you block the infection. The question is, how to best and most safely block that and create the immune response to block that spiked protein. So were looking at a diverse array of technologies because we dont know which is going to be the most effective in terms of inducing that best immune response and doing it safely. If you really want to have that accelerated timeline, one of the best ways do it is to get as many candidates out there. And thats what were doing in the u. S. Were hearing different numbers, six to eight or 14, and remember its not just in the u. S. That this is going out, its going out in china, its going on in england, in europe, and elsewhere. So some people call it a race. I dont like using that term because i think sometimes it implies that were going to rush things to the point where were going to make a vaccine thats not as effective as it could be or not as safe. So this is where we get into the bottleneck of getting all of those candidates hopefully including ours, hopefully ours will will go into Clinical Trial sometime this summer, bringing all those candidates along and then collecting enough data in terms of showing that it works, that we can all efficacy data and showing that its safe before we consider listeningare vaccine. You say proving that it works and proving that its safe, thats another matter. Why is that tough and how is that bar so high . Well, it takes time. You have to recruit human volunteers. You have to identify the populations you want to immunize. You have go through a series of steps. Usually we begin whats called a phase one trial which is healthy volunteers. Often between the ages of 18 and 45. Make sure nothing untoward happens. And then you start expanding your list of people that you want to immunize. For instance, we know were going to want to make a vaccine to help older people, sonde rolling older americans, or health care providers. So thats whats done in those expanded safety studies for phase two. And then you want to do it in an area where theres lots of ongoing transmission of the virus, because you want to show that it works. So you have to immunize people in areas where the virus is circulating to show that compared to people who are not vaccinated, the vaccinated ones are not getting infected. And all this time youre collecting safety data. So it ultimately will involve thousands of individuals per vaccine candidate. And when you Start Talking about 15 or 20 candidates, you can see that the numbers go up pretty quickly. That takes time to collect, takes time to analyze, and thats what im a little worried about not rushing things. Thats why i dont like when people start saying by the end of this year or using these Science Fiction met forms Like Operation warp speed. It implies that were doing something untoward and something thats rushed, and thats really important we dont give that impression. In fact, out of this oxford study theyre saying they will know whether it works in the Clinical Trial by june, and they think they could be widely available, they suggest, as early as september. How realistic does that sound to you . Ive heard that as well. I dont see a path by which by which that happens. Thats thats not how it works. Again, the Science Behind it is not terribly complicated. Its showing that you have a vaccine that works and is safe. And some of these technologies have been around for a while, like the Oxford Technology and others, and those have never resulted in a licensed vaccine before. So thats high it doesnwhy it d sense to me saying you could have a vaccine by such and such a date. The other point to mention is history tells us something very interesting. Is that the first couple of vaccines that get licensed are usually not the ones we wind up with. Meaning, that over a period of a couple of years, by a couple of years later we wind up discarding that vaccine for something that works even better or is even is even safer. And weve seen this with the influenza type b vaccine, the hpv vaccine, so be careful what you wish for, because chances are thats not the one with well wind up with. What does that mean exactly . Because i think people have this notion when a vaccine gets test and approved, that thats the shield, that that changes everything. So why is it, then, that it may not be the one that sticks because its not effective with everybody . Because there are side effects that are dangerous . Its because youre learning as you go along. And were learning exponentially with a new vaccine. So with the influenza type b vaccine, the first vaccine worked but it did not was not very effective in immunizing children under the aim ge of on year. That was a problem because most of the disease was occurring in young children. So it was licensed for over the age of two. But then scientists at the nih and rochester and boston independently found they modified it by sticking the capsule of the bacteria in the protein, now it worked anyone fantasy under one year of age and eliminated that disease from the United States. That was something that i watched from a pediatric resident to be a junior faculty attendant at yale, a disease that disappeared over a period of three years. Its a good thing the fact that were willing to learn and refine, and thats how vaccine science works. Thank you for helping us understand this. Appreciate you being with us. Thanks so much. Easing restrictions and reopening businesses, it does come with a human toll. Apparently a growing human toll. Up next, were going to speak with a modeler about what the next month could look like. You know whats good about this . Your signs pointing at my sign, so people are gonna look at my sign. Switch to progressive and you can save hundreds. You know, like the sign says. As important as ever. Most visionworks locations are open and were here to help. If you have an essential eyecare need, visit our website to get connected to one of our doctors. Visionworks. See the difference. First to put others livesd. Before your own. And in an emergency, you need a network that puts you first. Firstnet. The only officially authorized Wireless Network for first responders. New this morning, a change that tightens the rules on Antibody Testing for coronavirus. The hope is those tests could help doctors understand how the virus spreads. Cnns Elizabeth Cohen explains. Thank you very much. Just weeks ago, President Trump was so proud of removing regulatory barriers in the fight against coronavirus. Weve cut through the red tape to give doctors and patients unprecedented freedom to make their own health care decisions. But on monday, his administration reversed course. It has to do with this, an Antibody Test that tells you if youve already had covid19 and might possibly be immune to it. In midmarch, the food and Drug Administration start aid loed a companies to sell tests without first proving they got actual results. The outcome, dozens of companies started selling these tests and many of them often gave false results. Monday the fda reversed course and said Test Developers do have to show their test work accurately. How would you describe what the fda did back in march . A real breach of the public trust, yielding to President Trump instead of remembering its traditional responsibility to protect the public health. Dr. Han sahn said this will inform the changes to our policy regarding Antibody Tests. But a Texas Democrat who chairs the house ways and means subcommittee said it was obvious relaxing the regulations was a bad idea. Steams to have come to a surprise to the fda that if it does not do its job recently fda authorization, this test by roacche, they do he data. This allows us to really reliably test whether a person has been infected by the coronavirus. Even with the nearly perfect test, there is a problem. If the test shows youve previously been infected and have antibodies, you might have some degree of immunity to the coronavirus, but maybe not. Theres still open questions on how long will this immunity be. Will it be for one year . Two years . Several years . Will it, you know, be full immunity or is it reinfection just less severe . Scientists still need to work that out, another mystery of the virus thats caused this global pandemic. Elizabeth cohen, cnn reporting. Even with advances in testing, the death toll in the United States is now expected to spike with social distancing being relaxed in many areas of the country. A company use dollars realtime cell phone data to predict how the virus will spread in the next few weeks. We speak with someone who is the professor of integrated biology and statistics and data sciences. Im fascinated by this information because its so easy for us to wrap our head around too. You use anonymized cell phone data and look at the way americans are moving and what that tells us about how the virus could be moving and how many lives could be lost. But what we see today in terms of numbers is actually based on what people were doing three weeks ago, right . Thats exactly right. If somebody becomes infected today and sadly end up in the hospital or dying from the infection, they wont actually end up in the hospital for ten days. They may not die for three weeks. If people are changing their behavior today and the disease is starting to spread faster today, we wont actually see that in the data coming out of hospitals or in these death data until the end of the month, perhaps. When we first whfs we spo spoke with you three weeks ago you said 53,000 deaths total. Youve updated to 65,000 today. Were just below 69,000. Based on what weve seen based on that modeling, what concerns you in the next few weeks heading forward . We havent adjusted the mode will at all. Were always only forecasting three weeks ahead. So a couple weeks ago we were giving you a projection for three weeks ahead. Now were looking three weeks from today. We look at may 24th, we predict that overall in the u. S. On that day we may see somewhere between 500 and 3,000 deaths and that will bring to us a total of somewhere between 80,000 and 100,000 deaths. And what will happen beyond may 24th really depends on the policies that are enacted in the next couple weeks, how much people change their behavior, the extent to which people go out and start coming in contact with people without taking precautions that limit transmission. So all we can say is thats what it looks like three weeks from now. Theres a lot of uncertainty in those numbers i gave you and its really hard to know whats going to happen beyond that. The high end of those numbers, though, as high as 3,000 deaths per day, that is right in line from this draft from the cdc that the New York Times obtained that found that deaths per day could. I 3,000 by the end of this month. That youre right there are is the high end of what were projecting. And, again, that doesnt even yet take into account the possibility that people are going to start relaxing their social distancing in the next couple weeks. If they do, those numbers could look even more dire in four weeks and five weeks. We see pictures of people out there and we hear from people who are ready to get back to whatever sort of normalcy they can find. That being said, theres a new poll out just this morning from the Washington Post and the university of maryland that finds a High Percentage of americans are not yet ready, theyre not ready for nail salons, gyms, movie theaters and restaurants to reopen. In fact, 78 said they wouldnt be comfortable eating at a sitdown restaurant. 67 said they wouldnt be comfortable shopping at a retail store. You have this map of states that are probably past the peak. Its interesting to look at that compared to how people may be feeling. What should we look at in this map . Okay, so when youre looking at this map, the purples and the oranges, it is telling you these proper injections of our models. These proper injections of tpro the city or state has passed its mortality of the epidemic. Lets say some states are past the first week in peak in mortality because of the extreme social distancing that we have all adopted over the last few weeks. This could have been a much larger and severe wave had we not all been sheltering in place. I think its very healthy that people are concerned about going out in public. Theyre concerned by interacting with other people this virus could spread faster because it absolutely will. So whether youre in a purple region, meaning that youre in a region that looks like it might already be past its first peak or youre in an orange region where its much less certain that youve even gotten to your first peak, regardless of where you are, if we change our behavior, we will expect this virus to that this virus could spread faster and we may very soon see a second wave with an even more catastrophic peak. If im remember correctly, initially some of this out of my cell phone data was encouraging because it showed that people were, in fact, listen together guidance in many areas. And in some cases in place wheres perhaps it wasnt expected because it hadnt been explicit a need because there werent as many case theres at the time. What are you seeing change in terms of how people are moving around based on that data . Yeah, so youre right. When we first looked at the cell phone data, we saw that the number of times people left their house for public settings, for parks, schools, for hospitals, grocery stores, dramatically dropped. Even in the days preceding state orders to social distance. And it has stayed very low since then. In the last week of data, ive actually only looked in austin, texas, where i live. In the last week of data were seeing a slight increase in the number of those trips. A slight decrease in the time of the amount of data that people are staying at home. And we dont know how much that will continue to change in the coming weeks. But one thing to emphasize about this map is that our model projects mortality in the United States in the 50 states, and its also the only one in the nine models in the cdcs ensemble of models for individual cities. Those little shapes you see in the middle of the states, those are 99 different metropolitan areas. And the other thing we see when we look at that is that cities are different. Some cities are past their peak, some cities are not. They sometimes differ from the general overall trend in their state and so its really important when were thinking about what is the risk of relaxing social distance something what steps should we take to realize that this disease is spreading on a very local scale. Yeah. And we should be looking at how much disease is currently in our population, how fast is it spreading . Is our city equipped to deal with the possibility of an increase in transmission . Is there ample testing, tracing, and isolation resources . Have we sufficiently ka swococo our highrisk populations . Protected others who have highrisk conditions . It needs to be a very local decision. A reminder its certainly not a hundred a one size fits all solution, that is for sure. Not on a national or even most cases on a state level. Appreciate you joining us today. Thank you. All right. Thank you. So we want to remember some of the nearly 69,000 americans lost to coronavirus. Giovanny was a beloved Restaurant Owner salem, massachusetts, for 26 years. Born in a village outside rome 72 years ago, he married an american tour guide and emigrated to boston. His wife paula couldnt be with him when he died in hospital isolation on friday. But she says the outpouring of love from the people of salem helped sustain her. Edward was a firefighter who rose to deputy plains fire department. 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Liberty. This morning the president and secretary of state insists there was a virus that originated in the lab in wuhan, china. But top u. S. Allies contradicts that theory calling it highly unlikely. Joining us now is senator angus king, an independent from maine who serves on the Intelligence Committee. Senator king, great to have you with us this morning. Well go to china in a minute, but id like to start with the fact that youre there. Youre in washington. The senate is in session and not everyones particularly happy about that. Dick durbin, the number two in the senate said, quote, i dont think we should have come back. Coming back for Mitch Mcconnells former intern to get promoted to the Second Highest Court in the land doesnt count as an emergency. Hes talking about getting judge walker to the court of appeals hot how do you feel about this . I dont find coming back, im glad to be here. But when people in maine were talking to me they said when you go back lets work on unemployment and aid to the farmers and work on the ppe for help for the lobstermen. Nobody said angus, we want you go down there and confirm than you qualified judge for a lifetime appointment. Its ridiculous. Now, the other thing we are doing, john, that is meaningful is hearings on various nominees. I have a hearing this morning on the nominee to be the director of national intelligence, but that could be done exactly the way you and i are talking right now. We could ask questions, we could listen, and theres no reason to bring remember you bring in 100 senators, youre also bringing in lots and lots several thousand staff people, capital police, all the people that are based upon this operation here. And my point is, sure, lets do it if were working on coronavirus. But we shouldnt be doing it for extraneous reasons and we could do these hearings remotely. Even if you are having hearings on coronavirus, the white house says you cant have members of the task force unless the white house chief of staff approves that. You cant have dr. Anthony fauci. You cant have deborah birx unless they say its okay. Whats your response to that . Well, thats thats really disturbing because when you add it, john, to the fact that when the president signed the big covid 3 bill, he xd out the part where he had accountability, where the Inspector General could report to the congress. He then removed the person inin charge of this big expenditure of money and now hes saying nobodys going to come to capitol hill. Thats just wrong. We talk about congressman men and senators, were representing the american public. Weather eyes and ears of the american public. And we just spent 2 trillion of the taxpayers money and to say sorry, you cant check on what were doing, how were doing it, whats going on, how the response is, its insulting to the American People and its damaging because there we just have to know these things. So its all a pattern of stonewalling the congress and thereby, stonewalling the American People. Thats the way it should be framed, i believe. So we did mention that President Trump and secretary of state mike pompeo both claim that they have seen evidence that the coronavirus somehow originated as part of a lab accident in wuhan, china. Now, u. S. Allies, socalled five eyes, including australia, their leaders say, no, thats not the evidence weve seen. The evidence that we have seen points this to animal to human transmission. Now i know you cant tell us as part of the Intelligence Committee exactly what youve been briefed on. But what should we believe . Well, i think i think what we should believe is what the Intelligence Community is telling us, and i havent seen any recent intelligence on this in the last month or so. So, you know, i cant if the president and the secretary of state have intelligence on this, then as a member of the Intelligence Committee i want to see it. Im entitled to see classified material. There are no limits on that kind of material being shared with the Intelligence Committees of the congress. So it bothers me that for the president and the secretary of state to assert in such certainty, in fact, i think the president said a high degree of certainty without at least sharing with the Intelligence Committee on a closed classified basis what the basis of that is. And i like i say, i havent seen it, i cant contradict it accept im damn sure going to try to see it over the next week or so. And if we cant get it, then that raises serious questions about the basis of those assertions. And, again, just to be clear, cnns reporting the five eyes including australia saying the evidence that they have seen points to Something Else from animal to human transmission. You mentioned briefly about the inspectors general and your concern about how the president has been replacing them. Why does that concern you in the intelligence Inspector General we saw now with hhs, what is the concern there . Well, there are two concerns. One is that youre not respecting information. The indication is dont tell me something i dont want to hear, which is dangerous for anybody in a leadership position, particularly for the president of the United States. You want to you want all the information you can get, you dont want it cooked for your benefit. Lincoln said, your critic is your best friend. And i dont think this president understands that or believes that because any time somebody says something critical, he tries to silence them. The second problem, john, is probably more serious, and that is the Chilling Effect that goes out through the federal government which says dont say anything that isnt cleared by the white house or you could lose your job or you could be replaced or you could be demoted. The whole principle of whistleblowers and inspectors general is really important to the functioning of the government in response remember, its the government of the people. Its not the government of the president. Its the government of the people. And its if youre not responsive to the people, if you dont know whats going on and youre stifling people, thats not good for anybody. Id like to ask you to put your maine hat on and people should know you never take that hat off, just keep the maine hat on for a second. Lets go to summer camp in maine. Do you think its safe for them to go to camp there . What are your concerns . Im very concerned about it. Maine is one in one of the most vulnerable positions in the country in terms of the economic effect because of the huge Tourism Industry that we have. We have millions of people that come to maine in the summer. Its one of the most beautiful places, as you know, in the country. Fantastic and summer camp is part of it, but just people visiting. Its a very tough problem. Our governor is trying her best to navigate this to respect the economy. Thats what everybody wants be, the economy open. But also to respect health and safety. John, the scandal here is the lack of testing. This this whole opening is a crapshoot. It is the governors are flying blind. If we had adequate testing and tracing, we could open up a lot more safely. Im very worried about the summer in maine and i think were going to have to really wrestle with that over the next month. Senator angus king, a pleasure to speak with you. We covered a lot of territory this morning. Yes, sir. I really appreciate your time. 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Theater roosevelt is on his way to a new assignment. Brett crozier was removed as the Commanding Officer of the roosevelt for warning too publicly about a coronavirus outbreak on his ship. A Navy Investigation recommended crozier be reinstated, but the defense secretary so far has not done so. The navy is launching a broader inquiry into the outbreak of the matter. A park ranger in austin, texas, was pushed into a lake while trying to enforce social distancing. Ranger Cassidy Stillwell was not hurt. 25yearold Brandon Hicks faces a charge of attempted assault. Last week a security gart was shot and killed in flint, michigan, after warning people to wear face masks at a Family Dollar store. Buses, subways and trains will be cleaned and disinfected around the clock to control the virus from spreading on Public Transit. Theyre critical to any reopening here in new york. Cnns Brynn Gingras joining us with more. Good morning. Reporter hi, erica, good morning. We heard a lot before in this pandemic, never been done before. Thats the case with this disinfectant process. The mta says it is going to learn as it goes really. They want to get more efficient, but they say it is necessary in order for riders to feel safe, to get their workers who suffered tremendous loss to feel safe, and really to get this city that relies on mass transit moving again. It is an eerie scene underground in new york citys subway system. Platforms and trains mostly empty. The pandemic slowing the countrys largest Transit System to a crippling pace. As new york gears up to slowly reopen, the metropolitan Transit Authority or mta which runs the system is strategizing how it will handle an eventual boost in ridership. Of course, yeah, i think there is some fear involved with it, with going back. Reporter and assure passengers it is safe to return. It is starting with a never been done before effort of shutting down the 24 7 operation for four hours a night to disinfect every single subway car, top to bottom, and every station twice a day. That might not feel like a big deal but we have almost 500 stations and the next step is as ridership starts to come back, making sure were keeping up with it. Reporter disinfecting is the priority. What comes next isnt yet on paper. The mta says it is getting ideas from other countries and medical professionals, like how to achieve social distancing. The advice we have gotten from them is be vigilant about mask use and get as much space as you can. Ideally in terms of social distancing, you have a pole here, right, that could be one person, the next person really shouldnt come into play until at least here and then maybe have another person over here. Reporter eric logel drives the trains. He lost nearly 100 colleagues to covid19 in the last two months. Prepandemic he said he would carry a thousand passengers on a single train. About 150 people per car. How many on a car with social distancing . One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, maybe less than 30. Reporter the mta plans to hire new people to man the platforms, direct riders to less crowded subway cars. Random temperature checks of passengers is being considered, and decals on the platforms is also a possibility. Since the pandemic started, ridership across all Public Transit is down more than 90 . The mta estimates it will lose more than 8 billion this year and recently asked for nearly 4 billion in federal aid. We want ridership to come back, but we know we have to make people feel safe and secure. Reporter for weinberger, he says hell be back, reluctantly. For me, there is no other option than taking the subway. Reporter going to look like a different subway, isnt it in. It is going to be unlike anything we have seen before. Reporter we have come across a few people who are going to outright change the way they commute once businesses start opening up, now considering taking a bike or a taxi or a ride share program. Of course, we checked with those, and as you can imagine there are strict disinfecting policies with all of them and mandatory mask wearing by both drivers and passengers. It is a picture, hard to imagine any of the trains with only 30 people on them at the most. Thank you. New day continues right now. This virus has enormous capabilities of spreading like wildfire. We know that. The projected number of deaths forecast by early august in this country just nearly doubled. It isnt that the models change anything. Theyre just looking at what is already happening. The white house, they are pushing back on this internal administration projection that estimates as many as 3,000 deaths per day by the end of this month. This virus, it doesnt have to outsmart us. We are choosing not to we got to let some of the folks get back to work because if we dont, were going to destroy the american way of life and these families. This is new day with Alisyn Camerota and john berman. Good morning. Welcome to new day. This is tuesday, may 5th. 8 00 in new york. Erica hill in for alisyn this morning. Nice to be with you. So there is this question that americans and leaders across this country are facing this morning. Do we accept death on a massive scale in order to return to some sense of normalcy . Heres how the nations top Infectious Disease expert dr. Anthony fauci put it on cnn overnight. It is the balance of something that is a