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Individuals world very, very small. A Cross Country man hunt for a killer. All i want to see is him brought to justice. This is new day with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. Welcome to your new day. We are talking about a lack of transparency this morning. The president s tax returns still not released to the American People and now neither are the white house visitor logs. Also will not be released. That has trigger add brandnew lawsuit. Remember, trump said he would release the taxes as soon as the audit was over. He attacked president obama, saying you should release the logs. It goes to transparency. Now, how is this not hip krasy. Lets begin with joe johns live at the white house. Joe. Reporter good morning, chris. The biggest problem for this administration on this issue is objects. The picture this creates, especially since donald trump the candidate ran on issues of transparency. Used it as a weapon. It also gives fuel to the critics who love to question whether this administration has something to hide. The president is never going to release his tax returns . Well have to get back to you on that. Reporter the white house on the defensive, facing mounting criticism over the administrations lack of transparency. Nothing has changed. Scene spicer again citing routine audits to justify president puresident trumps refusal to release his tax returns. The New York Times writing that democrats are uniting around a pledge not to cooperate on any rewriting of the tax code unless they know specifically how that provision would benefit the billionaire president and his family. A growing number of republican lawmakers also calling on the president to make his returns public. I think it would be a good gesture on his part to release them, like all other president s have. Some lawmakers are being shouted down at town halls over trumps taxes. As far as im aware, the president says hes still under audit. The president himself down playing the issue in the face of National Protests this weekend. Show us your taxes tweeting i did what was an almost impossible thing to do for a republican, easily won the electoral college. Now tax returns are being brought up again . The administration also facing scrutiny for refusing to disclose whos golfing with the president and for reversing a precedent of making white house visitor logs public. Sa sean spicer suggesting that it would be harmful and unnecessary. Adding that the Obama White House redacted some visitor names while acknowledging the Trump Administration will not release any. Frankly, the faux attempt the Obama Administration put out didnt serve anyone well. This policy change inconsistent with trumps past criticism of obama, who he labeled the least transparent president ever, tweeting vaguely in 2012, why does obama believe he shouldnt comply with record releases that his predecessors did of his own volition. Hiding something . Reporter the president expected to visit kenosha, wisconsin. He will sign an executive order making changing to the visa program. The administration trying to make good on its promise to encourage the hiring of more american workers. Thank you very much. Lets bring in our panel. We have chris and april ryan and david drucer. You saw the tweet. He was all over obama ability. Spicers defense of it seemed to make the matter only more hypocritical. If the president doesnt want to release the visitors logs, they should say they want to hold this information close to the vest. Sure, the Obama Administration made moves to be mcmore trance important. It is not the kind of issue that will cause him political problems longterm. People want to know whether they can achieve tax reform. Is there a good argument that they work for us and they should release this information . Sure. What about trump saying they should be released himself . Well look. There is a trump tweet for everything trump now opposes. So this is you dont think that has any lasting repercussions . I think it only has lasting repercussions if the president gets the bigger things wrong. Not only did you create more jobs, but youre not telling me the whole truth here and you are hiding things and youre not trance important. Not only did you not fix the problem in north korea or the middle east but you dont want to tell me what youre doing behind closed doors. Thats where these things the end to be a problem. They are not problems right out of the gate. Spicer just made it worse by trying to justify it with a ridiculous piece of spin. I admire it, but it was spin. They lean heavy and often on, but obama. With the russian propaganda, you can look it up online. But the numbers tell a different story in terms of the urgency here. Poll after poll has well over a ma majority of americans saying they want him to release. It does seem to parallel i dont know how much of a kor relative it is. Thats for you to decide. I think small things lead to big things. I think transparency is not frankly an issue that President Trump is going to lose reelection on. But, yeah, i do think that it is a problem. At one point on that poll, on the 68 say they want him to release his taxes, im sure that number is right. We have seen a lot of numbers similar to that over time. The issue is if you ask people, is it something that would decide your vote for trump, lots of less people. Yes, should there be less money in the political system, everybody says yes. Is it something you vote on, a lot less people say yes. So the urgency on affects vote is not always there. And id say this isnt the issue that falls into that category. April, how do you see it . We have to find out if and particularly i guess georgia would be that piece to see if there is trump lash 89 days in and we havent found the kryptonite yet. Although, people are saying they want to see President Trumps taxes. They want more transparency. Is this really making a difference. Its do as i say, not as i do. And the question is is the American Public really that upset about it . Because they are reactionary people in this white house and all white houses have been that. But the question is will there be enough ground swell for there to be a push, even though his taxes are under audit or what have you, there could be some kind of revolution and the issue stems with the people. It all comes with the people. If they want it, if they are that upset, they might open up the taxes. Can i add one thing . I would be stunned, stunned if at any point between now and the 2020 election President Trump releases his taxes. I just they view it as something that if they didnt do it they took a risk in not doing it in 2016. It didnt hurt him. And, yes, people broadly will say, yes, we would like to see his taxes. There will be talk of conflicts of interest. Rightly, so, but they have made a decision that whatever is in those taxes is potentially more damages or too private. He doesnt want it out there. I think at this point i mean, there was story after story after story during the campaign, least transparent candidate ever. He didnt do it in the face of that which makes me think now that hes president of the United States i would be stunned. I think we may be looking at the worlds longest audit ever. I think the caveat might be who he runs against in 2020. He ran against an ethical cloud. So the argument could be theyre both crooks and were going to make the decision based on other factors. But if he is running against somebody who the public trusts who lays their entire life out there and it seems to have an impact, i could see trump saying here is four years of tax returns. Here is where i gave money to charity and things of that nature to tamp this thing down. It is not just idol curiousty on the part of democrats. They are saying we dont know if a decision we make makes you richer. Right. Is there conflict of interest . Whats going on in your life . Tax reforms tax returns have a tendency to give you a little more of a broader scope into whats going on and a lot of democrats upset and quietly some republicans are wondering whats there, too. It is what is there . You have issues right now swirling about russia. You have issues about some of the other things and that could open up the door to see into who this president is. But, again, he was elected the 45th president of the United States without showing his taxes. Hes already won that battle and he really does not at this point have to show unless there is such a ground swell from the people that or someone to force his hand. He didnt have the fbi, to our knowledge, he didnt have the fbi on his behind about what his conflicts may or may not be. Is the answer we have heard from burr on the senate side they dont think they will look for the taxes but could the taxes find their way into the committee or some of this litigation out there and that winds up being the resolution . Sure and congressional committees could demand them. I would remind People Congress is controlled by republicans and i dont think priority number one or one through one hundred is ask the president for the tax returns he doesnt want to put out. We have seen a little bit. Either in civil cases in which he had to show it or through leaks where we got an occasional look here or there. The last leak honestly wasnt that bad. He made more money than people thought he had. He paid a significant amount in taxes. If there isnt a smoking gun in there, if he didnt pay taxes, if he did pay taxes for the last 20 years, why not do it . Because he doesnt want to be seen as losing. Now hes made this proposition where if he shows, he loses. Anything that makes him look less powerful he doesnt want to do. Im not sure this is right, but he feels as though the election was a 100 voter confidence that the American People do not think about this. The president cares about the discussion at least. Hes been tweeting about this. We have seen it is interesting what hes not tweeting about. North korean strategy, what is going on in syria. But specific to north korea, what is the right move for the u. S. . We have a lawmaker who served in the iraq war who is going to give us his take next. Your Insurance Company wont replace the full value of your totaled new car. The guy says you picked the wrong insurance plan. No, i picked the wrong Insurance Company. 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I hope things work out well. I hope there is going to be peace. But they have been talking with this gentleman for a long time. In the interest of truth, the administration has done just that. Weve seen multiple leaders talking about north korea and potential military action in a way we have not seen before. Were not hearing much from the president about specifics. That part is true. So lets discuss the state of play with scott taylor from virginia. Also a former navy seal, served in the iraq war. Lets deal with the policy. And then well get to the politics of it. The idea of what to do about north korea, what is your word of caution about how much rattling of the saber we should see from the white house, given how what Vice President pence has said so far was met from the north Korean Response of were going to test a missile every week. Thermal nuclear war could be upon us. Let me first say i applaud the president for engaging in multilateral talks with our allies. Im not one to bluster and saber rattle and all those things. North korea has a history of doing that. They have been trying to do that most of the time trying to gain concessions from us. The last thing we want is war. The situation is tense over there. But i am encouraged by the white house, quite frankly, for engaging in these multilateral talks. Something has to be done over there. They continue to take take finger and poke us in the eye and say were not touching you. And continuing to do Nuclear Tests as well as trying to get Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles that could touch other homeland. We dont want them shooting waters off the coast of california, of course. It is tense. And i applaud the multilateral talks to try to tamp down on the tensions. To the extent thats whats going on, how is it different, this new edict of maximum engagement from strategic patients . The white house was working china then, figure out how japan could work, trying to deal with irans component of this as part of that extensive deal they did with their nuclear program. Thats an excellent statement. I think some of the difference of course is as you see the potential for the military to be there, so the potential of force as well, too, is a new component with this. You know, when you have diplomacy, whether youre conducting diplomacy or un conventions or sanctions, whatever it is, sometimes you have to have at least the perception that you will back things up by force. So thats the new component here. You can see that that has brought china to the table, unlike ever before that we have seen. So, yes, this is situation is tense and the last thing we want is this to break out in war. Of course we want peace, but it is important that our partners as well as china and others engage in this denuclearization. What are you seeing china do now its never done before . They have stopped Oil Shipments as well, too. You have to understand that north korean trade is almost exclusively with china. They have said openly warning north korea and saying they are engaging with our president to try to tamp down pressures over there. So i think china has stepped up more than they ever have before. That is because of this white house. In terms of what were seeing the president with his role here, it has really been the Vice President and vehicle tear of state doing this. We have seen with the un ambassador. What does it mean to you about the role of our commander in chief that he seems to be second seat in syria and on north korea . Well, i just dont see it like that. The president is very vocal. Hes out there. Hes engaging and talking about this thing. Yes, he sent the Vice President over there. But were all on the same team and we all play a part, whether it is supporting or leading, whatever it is. Like i think they have done a great job. Right. Although, we do know he isnt talking about it, though, in the way he talks about other things, right, congressman . If you look at his twitter feed, thats what he says he uses twitter for, he has not touched what hes doing in north korea or what it means. He talked a little bit about china. He didnt mention syria at all. How do you explain that . Well, i think, you know, the president has been very clear. Let me preface this by saying the executive branch should be coming to congress and speaking about syria, speaking about north korea. But, listen, i dont disagree with the president s strategy of not telegraphing our moves. I think thats a good thing. But there is a difference between testilegraphing moves. This idea of whos job is it to authorize military force, you know, you guys down there, youre new in congress, but congress has a long history of an doe kating its constitutional duty to the president. Congress has not wanted to own things, and this is not changing. Where is the debate on an aumf from 2001 . Well, let me say i dont run away from anything. Thats true. Youre a seal. You run at it. Ive been very vocal about that, about congress having this debate. You have a third administration, 16yearold authorization of use of military force. That is unacceptable. We have to have that debate. Listen, i will say, im not opposed to telegraphing what were going to do. But, yes, there has to be a debate in congress. The executive has to have some eighty to take actions if necessary if they believe there is a threat to our nation. But it is congress that authorizes that and it is time for us to have a debate. Congressman scott taylor it is good to see you taking that position. We will stay on the story. Appreciate you being on the show as always. Thanks for having me. First we have some breaking news to tell people about. French Officials Say a terror attack was just foiled. We discuss the startling details and the timing next. Youre not taking these. 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And always working to be better. This is cnn breaking news. French police say they have foiled an imminent terror attack. This just days before sundays president ial election there. Authorities arresting two french nationals in marseilles. French news agency is reporting that police found guns and bomb making materials. Lets discuss this with chris amanpour. It is very recent this news that has broken that dove tails with some of the fears around this highly charged election, the first round of which takes place on sunday. To that end, the anterior ministry already said that the french were going to deploy 50,000 more police around and about and particularly on election day and its a twopart election on sunday the 23rd and the second round is on sunday the 7th of may. They will deploy tens of thousands of extra place to make sure that voting goes off peacefully and safely. It goes without saying Everybody Knows that france has faced very dramatic terror attacks from 2015 and 2016 so it is very difficult for them to keep all of this in a peaceful manner, which may wanted to given the polarization at the moment. She had her own incident where some woman came up to her, seeming to be more of a streaker situation than anything else. But obviously scary. Also brings into focus something thats loomed large, which is what to do about the ongoing state of emergency. French culture like the American Culture embracing individual liberty. They dont like the idea of a pla police state, but does what just happened make it more likely it will stay in place . Yes, certainly for the next several months. Thats already been announced and that is something people expect. But people are chaffing under it. But up until now they have used this to do the kinds of things, for instance like stopping the attack that the interior ministry talked about today. They are keen, as you can imagine, given the problems and given the heightened political intentions to ensure that nothing further disrupts whats going on on the continent and particularly in france as everybody watches this election for a trend on sunday. It will be interesting to see if President Trump tweets about this. Lets talk about north korea. Obviously, they are saying extremely ominous things about what they say their next moves will be. How do you see it . Well, youre right. The north korea rhetoric has been ratcheted up very, very strongly. Yesterday a very rare signing of a north korea envoy who amongst many other things said that all of this and he basically blamed the United States as they always do for what he called provocative statements, provocative movers, moving their Aircraft Carrier towards the area. This has created a situation which makes, you know, thermal nuclear war is the word he used, much more likely. That is a very scary thing. Then an official said to the bbc that north korea will continue to test his missiles he says weekly, monthly, yearly and that it would respond if there was a direct u. S. Military attack. This kind of rhetoric is well known. We have seen it before when they get incredibly worried about what other countries are about to do. And of course it probably does worry north korea that china is becoming more concerned about reigning them in and doing things like threatening to hold Oil Shipments. Japan had a visit from the Vice President. So theyre watching very, very closely what moves are happening. But paradoxically, former defense secretary William Perry told me yesterday that this may be the moment to have a coercive diplomatic engagement to reign that in. The allies and now including china are responding favorably to the saber rattling by the United States, that they believe it has forced a different disposition from the allies. There is more confidence that now is the time that something could get done . Well, i think there is that. I think people have come out certainly now and in response to having spoken to Vice President pence saying that theyre glad this era of socalled strategic patience, which was the obama doctrine, has been put aside by the Trump Administration. Dont forget president obama twice sent in Aircraft Carriers into that region to deter the North Koreans and it didnt actually work. The last time there was a real coercive use of a threat of Nuclear Force was under the Clinton Administration in the 90s. And that led to a negotiations with led to an actual agreement. And that was considered successful. Yes, the North Koreans were cheating around the edges but not in the kind of dramatic way that couldnt have been dealt with. But you remember the Bush Administration came in and ditched all of that and it was after that that north korea, you know, throughout the iea inspectors withdraw from the nuclear treaty. So there is an argument, should we negotiate or should we be much more, you know, militaristic and many people believe that coercive diplomatic maneuver is good. Thank you for all the reporting on north korea, as well as the breaking news out of france. Back here some of President Trumps policies could cost one industry billions of dollars this year. What it means for you. Thats ahead. Kevin, meet your father. Kevin Kevin Kevin Kevin Kevin Kevin Kevin Kevin Kevin Kevin trusted advice for life. Kevin, hows your mom . Life well planned. See what a Raymond James Financial Advisor can do for you. So i use excedrin. Ments from my life. It starts to relieve migraine pain in just 30 minutes. And it works on my symptoms, too. Now moments lost to migraines are moments gained with excedrin. [heartbeat] time now for the five things to know for your new day. The Trump White House on the defensive for lack of transparency. The president s spokesman saying he will not release any of his tax returns or white house visitor logs. And mike pence talking about the threat from north korea. Hes glad north korea is hearing the Trump Administrations stern warning. President trumps advisors will meet today to see if they should remain part of the paris climate agreement. Top advisors are split. There is a National Search today for a man suspected of killing a 74yearold man on easter and posting that. He is considered armed and dangerous. The u. S. Supreme court rejecting arkansass request to begin a series of eight executions last month. Two other executions are scheduled for thursday night. For more on the five things to know go to cnn. Com. That is according to a new travel forecast. Cnn in the money center. Alison, do we buy this . Good morning to you. Researchers are forecasting a huge drop in the number of visitors to the u. S. In part because of the president s travel restrictions. That could cause a big blow to the economy. One forecast shows a decline of 10. 6 million travelers through the end of next year. Thats a 7 drop according to tourism economics, which is a forecasting firm used by the travel industry. Its going to cost the u. S. Economy more than 18 billion in last revenue. That is the forecast. Now, researchers say even though the president s new travel and immigration policies will affect just a fraction after owl travelers it is the rhetoric that hurt the u. S. Brand. But the strong u. S. Dollar surged to its highest level in more than a decade and Holding Steady there. It makes other currencies worth less when travelers come. It makes spots like europe less expensive for u. S. Travelers. Thank you for that silver lining. President trump deciding against transparency. 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Why is it the case that people at the very top should get a bunch of tax breaks, should be able to hide their business dealings when everybody else pays, everybody else gets out there and makes our roads and bridges work, makes our schools work . Lets see what donald trump is up to. Senator Elizabeth Warren calling for donald trump to release his taxes. If he doesnt democrat senators are coming together to say the president s hopes for tax returns could be dashed. Ron brown steen, do you buy the political implication here that the democrats wont do tax reform if they dont see his taxes . I do, actually. Tax reform is really hard. The last time we had a fundamental tax reform was 1986 under Ronald Reagan and it took years to do it. Republicans a having a lot of trouble to get on the same page to begin with, even among themselves. They have different visions for how this should proceed and the question of how any plan would affect the president s bottom line provides democrats a good starting point to say lets keep our distance from all of this and make it only tougher for the republicans, which is exactly what happened in the Health Care Reform and they could not resolve their own differences. So far its been stalled. There you have it. Theyre going to be at an impasse in that case, which doesnt work for the American People. It may work for politicians because it doesnt look like President Trump was inclined to release his tax returns. He hasnt shown hes under audit. He has a letter from his attorney that he relies on. But thats not from the irs. And the irs says we dont do that. So if President Trump isnt going to do it and the democrats arent going to work with imunless he does it, where does that leave us. Through the reconciliation process, they can pass tax reform with a simple majority, so they in theory could do this without any democratic support. The problem is once you basically move in a direction that denies you any democratic votes, you give every faction in the Republican Caucus a veto over what happens. The moderates and the hard right conservatives and the same kind of dynamic is developing on tax reform. Is it going to be revenue neutral or a tax cut at a time when the deficit is very large . Is it going to avoid net tax cut . I think most people think that both of these things are unlikely to be true at this point and republicans are going to find the only way forward for them is to have a net tax cut that benefits the affluent. But that on a policy ground, leaving aside the tax return issue is something that will have little appeal to many democrats. You dont need to see trumps returns to know he is in the top 1 . Some are criticizes saying this is already played out. He won. Its over. But listen to senator tom cotton in arkansas with voters. [ applause ] as far as im aware, the president says hes still under audit. The president the president the president is also right, this is not a secondary issue of the campaign. Hillary clinton and her campaign repeatedly criticized as far as your points about his relationships over seas, i would make two replays. Every candidate for office follows a Financial Disclosure statement. Why the senator is defending trump on this level, thats his ownics pla nation. The polling has been very clear that the citizens want him to release his taxes. It is not unreasonable to see how the policies he is proposing would affect his bottom line. It is also not unreasonable that that was not the that the prime concern for voters in the election. I mean, it is the binary choice between two candidates. Lots of factors go into that and to say i won. Therefore, everything i pro pose is endorsed by the American People is just kind of a way over misreading what is in fact the way people make decisions. Very quickly, ron, do you think that we have had so many guests on who say it is not going to affect his Approval Rating. People new who donald trump was and it is interesting to talk about transparency. But do you agree with that . I dont agree. His Approval Rating is significantly lower than any newly inaugurated president in history. That is rooted at this point more in doubts about his behavior, temperament and qualifications than his policies. Ron, thank you. Great to talk to you. Thank you. For something lighter, the president and mrs. Trump teaming up with the easter bunny and a bunch of kids for their first easter egg roll and the easter bunny stole the show. We will have all the mischief next. Whoa, this thing is crazy. I just had to push one button to join. Its like im in the office with you, even though im here. Its almost like the Virtual Reality of business communications. No, its reality. Intuitive one touch Video Conferencing is a reality. And now its included at no additional cost with vonage business. Call now and see why 3,000 companies a month are switching to vonage. Business grade. People friendly. Time for the good stuff. A stranger in ohio saves a familys life. Take a look at this. See the car stuck in the flood. The couple is panicking. They open the door, which is mistake. A woman suddenly appears. Collapsed the car seat, you know, the handle and punched out the window and gave him to this stranger. The woman carry it is baby to safety and then calls 911 and then goes back to help coleman and abbie, who are of course grateful. A compete stranger coming to their rescue. We thanked her. I gave her a hug and you just saved us, you know. They know who she is now. They know her name and they will never forget. Do you know how hard it is to get a baby out of a car seat . She did the right thing. Thousands of kids had a hopping good time at the president and mrs. Trumps First White House easter egg roll. The easter bunny and his ears stole the show. At one point, the first lady had to give her husband a nudge. Reporter youd think he was a head of state rather than just a head inside a bunny suit. The president of the United States and mrs. Trump accompanied by the easter bunny. To think at times during the Bush Administration, the bunny was none other than Current Press secretary sawn spicer, who this year merely posed inside the bunny. Snls Melissa Mccarthy portrayed him briefly in his bunny seat. Eat as much candy as you want because this is probably our last day on earth. Asked what he thought im usually asleep by the time that comes on. The president needed a make up call. Did you see the first lady nudge the president during the National Anthem . Oh say, can you see. Tweeted one viewer, is it just me or did he seem to have a problem finding his heart. The president whistled the start of several easter egg races. He signed hats and tossed them. This one retrieved by its owner, a girl writing cards to soldiers seemed thrilled to find herself next to the first lady who rewarded her with a hug. One audience member acted like a party animal. Shes more boring than i am. At least she didnt try pulling the easter rabbits ears. Ears of the bunny have a funny way of gets around. Around the head of the Gunnery Sergeant who sang the National Anthem, around the head of the president. Wrap your head around this. Cnn new york. She has quite the eye. That is great. And it was nice of me lan yeah. Spouse points there. A little nudge. Sometimes i have to do that to you during the show. Time for cnn news room. I feel you. Everyone needs a wing man. All right, guys. Lots of news. Lets get right to it. A man hunt goes nationwide. The fbi joins the search. New details this morning from investigators. Georgia on his mind and his twitter feed. It is election day in america, at least part of it. The president goes all in in a congressional race that could tell us everything about where this presidency is headed. And a cnn