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Matthew matthew . Reporter chris, thanks very much. This is the first time that its been confirmed that it was a bomb that took down that metrojet airliner at the end of last month, killing all 224 people on the Sinai Peninsula. The head of the russian fsb, the former kgb telling Vladimir Putin on state television that a search of the luggage and fragments of the plane thats been recovered has found traces of foreignmade explosives. They believe it was a bomb on board, a terrorist act, a bomb with at least a kilo of tnt or the equivalent contained inside it. That would account from the fact that the debris from the fuselage was spread across such a wide area this again, the first time its been confirmed that it was a bomb that caused the crash of that metrojet airliner in sinai at the end of last month. Vladimir putin was swift in his response speaking on state television saying of the culprits we will search for them everywhere no matter where theyre hiding well find them in any place on the planet and punish them. Also talking about russias military campaign in syria, isis wasnt directly blamed for this by the russians in name but they have said they will now step up their air strikes against isis in syria. Our operation in syria will not just simply continue Vladimir Putin said. It will be intensified so that the criminals understand that revenge is unavoidable. Vladimir putin there by de facto blaming isis for carrying out this attack. Okay. Matthew, thank you so much for all of that breaking news. Now we get the latest on the paris terror attacks. The department of Homeland Security raising red flags about this alleged mastermind earlier this year and cnn confirming that western authorities were determined to kill the 27yearold but were unable to track him in syria over the past few weeks. Lets bring in our cnn chief National Security correspondent, jim sciutto. Yet more missed warning signs in effect. Abdelhamid abaaoud, thats the picture were seeing on the screen. French believed he was the mastermind and tied to the isis leader baghdadi. They warned about him six months ago in may for being not only involved in a plot in february to Kill Police Officers but for working on the capability for some has casualty attack in europe. Lo and behold we saw what happened here on friday. Just one more note another plot that they believe he was behind remember that attack on the highspeed train thwarted by the three brave americans just a few weeks ago. Yes. Hes also tied to that plot as well. Thats what i was going to ask you about. Knowing what he does knowing who he is is very different than figuring out where he is and how to get him. No question. To be fair again, you talk about missed warning signs. Listen you or i, would we do a better job in that . They have great surveillance capabilities but they also have renormous volume of suspects and leads on any given day. Imagine whats coming across their desk. This one of dozen, hundreds of leads they have to follow. I will say this though, that the number of leads and connections and warnings they had about this plot is at least worrisome. It lets you know despite all the assets being focused on europe right in you dont, including with american help on surveillance and the warning signs they had, this managed to go ahead under that radar. Thats worrisome. As the director of the cia said yesterday, there are more plots in the pipe lane. What confidence do we have that theyll be able to prevent those. Whether you know not enough too much you can wind up in the same place, not being able to act. Stick with us. Lets take a look at whats going on investigatively in bell july. We have ivan watson. This is about a manhunt, looking for at least two men they believe are at large in connection with these attacks, the socalled eighth attacker for sure looking for that suicide vest they still havent placed. What do we know . Reporter well a lot of the attention is focused on three brothers and of course one of them Ibrahim Salah abdeslam is believed to be one of the attackers last friday. His brother, his photo has been posted by french and belgian authorities. Escaped the french dragnet and is at large at this moment. A Third Brother, mow ham was briefly detained by Belgian Police and questioned and released. He took a moment to speak to journalists yesterday and defended his two brothers. Take a listen. Translator you also need to understand in spite of the tragedy, my parents are in shock. We do not realize yet what has happened. My family and i are affected by what happen. We found out by tv just like many of you. We did not think for a moment that one of our brothers was related to these attacks. Chris and alisyn the french president has said this series of attacks was planned in syria but then organized from here in belgium. And the belgian Justice Minister told me that in fact some of the suspects in the attacks had been on a kind of belgian watch list, they believed they were believed to have gone to syria to be volunteer fighters and then that some of them smuggled themselves back into belgium and were effectively living underground. So the authorities missed these people before they engaged in the operation. Of course theres that other Belgian National Abdelhamid Abaaoud at large, from the neighborhood im in molenbeek, the same neighborhood one of the bombers and the fugitive at large are also believed to have come from. Chris and alisyn. Thank you, stay with us. We want to bring in jim sciutto. As we say, there are developments every minute with all of these stories. Lets begin with the metrojet that was downed. Associated press now reporting that theres a 50 million reward offered by russia for the people responsible for bringing down that jet. That figure seems meaning behind that. Usually the top u. S. Reward is 25 million. Its interesting to see russia double that. It does show the real focus they have here. And look at this as we look at this regionally and globally youll remember the president s lets say, unfortunately timed comments about isis being contained. It was notable to me yesterday that dianne feinstein, the ranking democratic member on the Senate Intelligence Committee Said in fact the opposite. She said its not contained, its expanding. We have that evidence here. You have them bringing down a passenger jet. These bombs in beirut and these attacks here in paris in the span of just a few days. Showing that regional global scope of this organization. It really is i mean theres a lot of rhetorical talk about were at war, you hear it from the president. Thats not hyperbole at this point. There is substance to that. There are many fronts to this war, iraq, syria egypt, the streets of paris and beirut. War has many different fronts also. Yes. On the one hand you have militarily on the ground going on in syria, in what theyre calling the levant. Theres meaning to that. Then what theyre dealing with here the more raids they do the more were getting feedback from french intel saying we are overwhelmed. The biggest challenge is prevention. How do you put the pieces together in what they call a Cohesive Strategy . The bottom line is you cant stop every one. You cant. They only have to be successful once. For instance the british announced yesterday they have stopped thwarted seven plots in the last several months. Youll hear this from u. S. Officials. They dont it the like to advertise their successes. The fact is they do have many successes but the volume is so great. We cant emphasize enough that the volume here in france is an order of magnitude bigger than the number of threats you have in the states and frankly, they have fewer resources to try to control those. The figure we talk about this 11,000 spoke to a senior French Security source yesterday. The figure is 201. You need 20 people to keep you under surveillance 24 hours a day. You cant do that. Youd need 200,000 agents. Ivan weve heard jim just say the order of magnitude here is so much larger than the u. S. And the order of magnitude in bell jim belgium and the order of magnitude is larger in france. This country has the dubious distinction of being one of the largest supplies of foreign fighters going to syria. Its got a population of only 11 million people. But more than 400 belgians are suspected of having gone to syria to join in the ranks of isis and other jihadi groups. Its led to a lot of soul searching here. Why is brussels in particular a recruiting ground and specifically this neighborhood of molenbeek . There are a number of reasons and theories raised. One of them has to do with political divisions within belgium, you have a frenchspeaking community here a flemish speaking community and at least six Different Police forces in some cases divided by language. We have top officials saying we have to do a better job on coordinating them better. You have a large immigrant, large Muslim Population skyrocketing youth unemployment 40 in this neighborhood alone. Thats led to a sense of alienation from part of the population here. The Justice Minister telling me that this neighborhood has problems with falsifying documents, fake passports. And weapons trafficking as well. And that has contributed to what has clearly been a problem of militant violent islamic idologist, islamist ideology thats taken root in places like this neighborhood a big challenge for the Law Enforcement groups here who have not clearly been working well enough together. Alisyn and chris . Ingredients we see in belgium, ingredients we see here in france. Frankly in many other places in europe and magnify greatly in the middle east. So obviously youll be fighting on many fronts for a very long time. But right now, theres a lot of focus on the energy of this manhunt and figuring out what happened here as a way of connecting it to later plots. Jimmy, thank you very much. Stay with us. Ivan well check back with i dont you in a little bit. Theres other news with michaela in new york. Leaders of the asiapacific Economic Cooperation summit are expected to condemn the paris terror attacks in a planned statement according to the associated press. Members of the 21 leader forum, including president barack obama say the attacks in france demand a united voice. They say, quote, we stand in solidarity with france and all victims of terrorism elsewhere. Hundreds of protesters angry over the Fatal Shooting of a black man by police in minneapolis shut down a section of the i94 freeway monday night. 51 people were arrested. Police say 24yearold jamar clark was shot by officers responding to a domestic dispute last weekend. The citys mayor has asked for a federal civil rights investigation. We have an incredible story here for you. A mississippi firefighter has undergone the worlds most extensive face transplant. Patrick hardison was badly injured in 2001. Third degree burns of his head neck and upper torso. Since then hes lived in excruciating pain until the family of a bmx racer who died in a bike crash agreed to donate his face. Hardi hardisons doctors say he is doing well three months after surgery. Hes getting back to daily routines. Its an incredible story about medical technology and what we are able to do now. I thought youd like that. Its nice to see somebody getting a new lease on life. Just remarkable. And the pictures are remarkable. Wow. That is truly a breakthrough. Michaela thank you. And also recognition of the value of life. We try so hard to sustain it and improve it on some levels while others are totally bent on destroying it. We are trying to figure out the military balance, the political balance, the intelligence balance. Theres been big developments on all fronts the major one is that u. S. Intel is now saying theyve been warning europe for months that this suspected master mind was at work planning attacks. So why couldnt it be stopped . 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Its vexing to know so much about this mastermind three days after the attack as opposed to the day before the attack. What do we know about him . He is clearly a ring leader in belgium. He contributed to the recruitment and travel of several hundreds of belgiums to syria. We know he was heading a Training Camp inside raqqah that was targeted by the french airplanes in october. He tried to kill him in october already. And we know he was in contact with most of the plots that were uncovered, carried out in europe including a plot in brussels. And including the train attack that we know so much about in the u. S. Because the american heroes thwarted it. Of course of course. That seems completely different in terms of sophistication. That was one terrorist with a gun who seemed sort of haphazardly trying to do something and three americans were able to take him down. This the organization of what happened here friday night is fight different. We see this organization is adapting also to the security measures. They try everything they can to target including the its different in size but the modus operandi is different. The intention is the same. Its comforting to hear they were attempting to get him and attempting to kill him before this. Its not just now theyre connecting the dots and he slipped through their fingers. They were actively trying to get this mastermind but werent able to target him. We discovered the men now. All of the members virtually of this network were known by the french intelligence or belgian intelligence or other services abroad. That means we have no problem identifying those people. We have a problem to follow them put them under surveillance it raises legal issues here in our country. Theres also some measures that need to be taken to really increase our ability to trace these individuals once they travel abroad. This needs still to be done. One of the interesting things about this mastermind is that he was featured recently in this islamist magazine called dabiq where he was bragging. There were pictures of him. He was hardly flying under the radar. Exactly. It was clearly appearing in different propaganda videos. He was interviewed by french tv. So yes, he was not hiding. He was acting in plain view and this is also part of the strategy. I mean they want to again, by this they want to raise more attractiveness to this Islamic State and have more youngs coming to reach syria. One of the confounding things about whats happened here is that theres this eighth attacker who is on the loose. Theres this now global manhunt for him. Thats just one person. Weve heard during the course of this there are possibly thousands of people in france with suspected terror ties. Were focused on this one person but that may not be the most dangerous. There are other people in paris who may be here and planning something. We are 5,000 individuals in our watch list but theres nothing we can do against them because we have no evidence, otherwise they would be prosecuted. Theyre simply on the watch list simply because we have nothing on them. We try to get more information through the borders, through the various controls that we impose to them. But virtually we cannot do anything about that. President hollande had a big speech yesterday in which he said france is at war. So what does that change . How does that change what the strategy is to go after them . I think well increase the strikes on the ground and weve already seen that in the past hours. When you say the strikes on the ground you mean the air struks . The air strikes, unfortunately, not on the ground. The air strikes, of course. Weve targeted again, probably recruiting centers and Training Camps including about the targets in europe. Jeancharles always helpful to get your expertise. Thank you for being on new day with us. Mean mile more than half of american governors now say that Syrian Refugees are not welcome in their states. But can they do anything to stop them . The latest with whats going on in the u. S. , next. Theres expanding backlash here in the United States from news that at least one paris attacker slipped into europe among syrian ref his. The list of governors saying they dont want Syrian Refugees settled in their states is growing. The total number now stands at 27. All but one republican. Lets bring in cnns Martin Savidge with the latest. This is an issue that really took off yesterday. The United States according to the Obama Administration has committed to taking about 10,000 Syrian Refugees in the next year. This is what has a lot of republican governors, especially very very upset in light of whats happened in paris. Lets take a look at the map that gives you a breakdown of what staytes are declaring what. 27 states say they are opposed, the latest to come on board against taking Syrian Refugees the state of nevada. It was the governor of texas in his letter to president obama saying he doesnt want to say Syrian Refugees. That governor said neither the president of the United States nor could any federal official guarantee that Syrian Refugees will not be a part of any terroristic activity. Youve already pointed out there was one state that politically kind of bucked the trend and that is new hampshire. They have a democratic governor. It should be pointed out there are seven states that have said they are still willing and allowing Syrian Refugees to come in. But many people have asked, can they do that . And the state department came out yesterday, was rather noncommittal. There are legal experts that have said no. Essentially when it comes to saying who does and does not come into the United States, thats a power on the federal level. However, many states would provide the services that Syrian Refugees would likely need. Since the governor control the Purse Strings of those services with they can make life difficult. They have to go to states that are still willing or there will be real negotiating on the part of the state department here. Lastly it should be pointed out that new york are among the states that are noncommittal here. Thats understandable given the sensitivity to terrorism and the past history. Chris . Everyone will have to make a choice Going Forward. Youre right. It is within the federal authority but the states play a financial and also a governmental role. Remember, just because you say your state doesnt want them these people are accepted as citizens when they come not full citizens but they have the rights of travel that all the rest of us do. Complicated problem, martin. Thank you for reporting on it. Well take a quick break. When we come back a global manhunt is going on for a paris attack suspect. A stunning new details emerge about the alleged mastermind. Russia confirming the downing of that metrojet was done by terrorism. It was a homemade bomb. We have details for you, coming up. What makes this simple salad the best simple salad ever . Heart healthy california walnuts. The best simple veggie dish ever . Heart healthy california walnuts. The best simple dinner ever . Heart healthy california walnuts. Great tasting, heart healthy california walnuts. So simple. Get the recipes at walnuts. Org. Hi im heather cox on location with the famous, big idaho potato truck. Our truck . Its touring across america telling people about idaho potatoes. Farmer lets go boy. Again this year the big idaho potato truck is traveling the country spreading the word about heart healthy idaho potatoes and making donations to local charities. 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Department of Homeland Security warnings went out about him. He was supposedly actively targeted for death but they could not find him in syria in time to prevent what happened here on friday. Also what happened in france being felt in the u. S. , certainly politically now with what to do with Syrian Refugees. You have an overwhelming number of american governors saying they done the want Syrian Refugees in their states. Lets take a closer look at the news here this morning. The big development, the russian admission that it was a bomb that brought down that plane. We have cnn aviation correspondent Richard Quest joining us from manila. Now, richard, it will not be a shocker to people to hear that a bomb brought down the plane but that it was homemade it is recognized by russia and now marshaling assets against theywho they believe did it isis will have an impact. Absolutely. That is exactly the point, chris. According to the fsb, the Russian Security services they say it was roughly a kilogram explosive explosive, tnt. Fairly basic bomb but they found traces of explosives on the wreckage of the aircraft. This in many ways is exactly what everybody has been waiting for. The egyptians have refused to go anywhere near it was a bomb. Saying they had to wait until the last possible moment they would admit it. Russia has said it was a bomb and there is now a 50 million reward and they say they will search indefinitely for those isis people responsible. It does raise the very serious issue of how isis was able to pull off two daring dastardly deeds in such a short period of time bringing down a plane and the attacks in paris. Richard, what is the understandable explanation of why russia took time in saying this was a bomb and why egypt is so slow to coordinate the understanding of the same . Russia wanted the proof. Whatever else we may say, they needed the hard evidence. They needed literally to find the residue. Only once youve got that because at the end of the day youve got to be able to have a peg to hang your coat and hat on. Now they say they have it. Egypt, on the other side of course this is disastrous. At all sorts of levels for president el sisi its disastrous because he came in as a strong man. Now you have to question how this was able to happen. He has isis in the sinai able to pull off such an act. And secondly economically the tourism industry. Remember right up until a few days ago, they were saying it was not possible for a terrorist to put a bomb on a plane, Sharm El Sheikh airport. Now the reality is there. Theres got to be very hard explaining about the poor level of security that allowed this to take place. So where do we look Going Forward . What needs to change because of this information . In terms of the Aviation Industry chris, you really do have to look at all those airports worldwide where there can be vulnerabilities. Now weve had ceos of airlines like emirates and easy jet and frankly, every airline ceo that i have spoken to privately says the same thing. There are dozens of airports around the world which now need to be looked at where there could be security questions and vulnerabilities. The issue is whose responsibility is it . The airlines can only go so far. The west is going to clearly have to provide the resources, the money and the impetus for many of these airports to beef up the security. Because if they dont, chris, airlines will simply say we are not sending our planes there. Make no bones about it the fact that this is a confirmed bomb has changed the scale and stakes in the Aviation Industry at many airports around the world. Richard quest, thank you very much. Whats going on no matter where it happens has created a much closer community in the world, everybody feels they are at risk for what happens anywhere else. Were seeing that in the United States what happened here in france. There are new questions about the reach of isis within the United States. There are new questions about how to deal with refugees. President obama saying it is shameful and unamerican to judge an entire religion or group of people based on the acts of a few. But people like senator ted cruz and governors from all over the country have a very different take. Theres a muchneeded conversation to be had. Well have it here on cnn. Stay with us. Did you know that Good Nutrition is critical for brain health . Brain food, hmmm. Ensure has b vitamins that help support brain health now thats smart nutrition. Ensures complete balanced nutrition has 26 vitamins and minerals and 9 grams of protein. Ensure. Take life in. Republican president ial candidate ted cruz is defending himself against Harsh Criticism from president obama for suggesting a religious test for Syrian Refugees before they can settle in the u. S. Cruz responding with strong words of his own. Dana bash has been watching all of this back and forth. We spoke with ted cruz here in Charleston South Carolina this morning, dana. Thats right. Good morning. Look when you are running for the republican president ial nomination and you are attacked in a not so veiled way by the president of the United States while he is abroad its not necessarily a bad thing. Senator, president obama called you out when he was speaking in turkey. And he said it was shameful for saying that there should be effectively a religious test for refugees especially since you come from a family where there was political persecution and your family benefited from the policies of america, allowing refugees in. Well you know look its not surprising that the president obama is attacking me personally. Ill tell you whats shameful is that we have a president who after seven years still refuses to utter the words radical islamic terrorism. What barack obama and Hillary Clinton are proposing is that we bring to this country tens of thousands of Syrian Muslim refugees. I have to say, particularly in light of what happened in paris, thats nothing short of lunacy. What would have happened if your father was trying to get from cuba to the United States and the political leaders here said nope we dont think so. Who knows, maybe you could be somebody who could, you know, commit crimes against america. Thats why its important to define what it is were fighting. If my father were part of a thee krat thee crowocratic ideology it would have made sense. What about muslims who are victims of the radical terrorists taking their religion and hijacking it. What about protecting those people . There is no doubt that millions of people are suffering from the rise of radical islamic terrorism. Christians are suffering, jews are suffering and other muslims are suffering. Muslims shouldnt be allowed in the u. S. Syrian refugees should be reseted in the majority east muslim countries. You want to continue to arm the kurds and increase military strikes along with coalition partners. Is that enough . Well we need to start with a president that sets out a clear objective. We need a commander in chief who says we will defeat if you were in commander in chief right now, what would be your clear objective . If i were commander in chief or if im elected president , as commander in chief, i will say we will defeat radical islamic terrorism. President obama is launching between 15 and 30 air strikes a day. Ive described this as a photoop foreign policy. What ive said is theyre launching bombs for cnns credit to show them on tv but not actually designed to take out isis. We need to use overwhelming air power. What about american boots on the ground in syria . You know i think there are far too many politicians when it comes to boots on the ground that are eager just to commit to boots on the grounded to show how tough they are. I think the objective should be destroying isis and the question of the military tactics and strategy should be driven heavily by the expert judgment of our commanders and generals and admirals. Ive met with a great many both active duty and retired commanders. And i believe that overwhelming air power plus arming the kurds is sufficient to take out isis. Now it may well take some embedded special forces to direct some of that air power. But i dont think you should have politicians basically playing risk and saying i want to send in so many troops to show how tough i am. Thats not how we should make these decisions. Some of your competitors have said the best thing to do right now is to invoke article 5 of nato convene nato allies and deal with it as an act of war on the coalition. Do you agree with that . Listen, nato may well go down that road. President obama recently said we dont need american leadership. We dont need to talk about america winning. What utter nonsense. Look that sentence sums up everything that is wrong with the Obama Clinton foreign policy. And as senator cruz told me that this week he is going back to the capital, back to the senate and he is going to introduce legislation that will ban all Syrian Muslim refugees from this country. Alisyn . Okay dana fascinating interview there. More now here from paris and the developments on the terror attacks. Intelligence officials warning that isis appears to be able to plan attacks unnoticed. The new secret way that theyre communicating with each other. Can Law Enforcement keep up with technology to fight the war on terror . Well discuss that, next. No matter how the markets change. At t. Rowe price. Our disciplined approach remains. Global markets may be uncertain. But you can feel confident in our investment experience around the world. Call us or your advisor. T. Rowe price. Invest with confidence. waves crashing audio distortion splashing there are growing concerns and questions about how isis plans to attack paris on friday. Went undetected by intelligence officials. Experts say the terrorists have several ways of communicating that are completely under and off the radar. Joining me now is the Senior Editor at recode. Good to have you back here with us. You probably heard that a ps4 gaming system was found in one of the raids in belgium leading some to believe that the terrorists could have been communicating through this ps4, a play station 4 gaming platform. First of all, you think thats the case . B, is that possible . Its certainly possible. The evidence that a ps4 was involved in planning the plot as we know it is pretty thin. There may have been the reports are a little bit messy but there may have been a ps4 found in one of the raids. Were not 100 sure about that. A belgian official was talking about three or four days before the attack. He was being interviewed by politico. He said one of the places they have difficulty monitoring communication is on these gametogame chats. And people can get on the messaging systems and talk about whatever. Its no more different than a chat app on a phone. Right. You say the Bigger Picture is the issue of legal future of encrypted communication. Things like imessage,. Help us understand that. Why is that less secure or more secure i suppose, than a regular text message . Well its the default imessage for instance is the default text app on the iphone and on the ipad. Right. The way apple and google they all have their chat apps. Facebook has whatsapp. It will be encrypted. Theres no third key that can unlock that. When the government shows up with a warrant and asks for a copy the only thing google or apple can give them is a block full of data. Unless they can crack that theyre not going to get anything. Whats going to happen and what has already really happened with these attacks in paris, tragic as they are, it will reignite the debate as to whether or not government should have a back door. Because it brings up all sorts of Security Issues and privacy issues right . Exactly. The way that the Tech Companies generally see this ill paint this in broad brush strokes. If you keep a third key that the government could use, where do you store it . Who holes on to it . Right. Once somebody has those keys that becomes a great big target for some hacker to try and go after. Of course. Its a careful tension of liberty but also of privacy and also business concerns. I was going to say, it is the double edged sword. Yes. The fact is any of us most of us do Online Banking now. That very encryption that keeps bad guys out of my account. Right. Is the very type of thing that were talking about, because on the flip side that type of encryption is whats preventing Law Enforcement from getting at the communications of people that have nefarious plots. This has always been the case. Way back on 9 11 i remember there were concerns about encrypted email. I remember. We had this policy debate before. Theres also terrorists take advantage of sew sigh tall institutions. They take advantage of the infrastructure to plan their plots. This is just going to be part of the way why does not okay. You tell me. Do you believe in the research youve been doing . Is Law Enforcement as aptly prepared and as savvy as say, the bad guys quote, unquote . You know it seems we always have to stay a step ahead of them or are we generally playing catch up. Its always a case of catch up. Communications migrate with terrorism, especially communication migrates to places theres less surveillance. Wherever as the facts emerge in this case i think the intelligence communities will have to relearn how they do gather their human intelligence. Intelligence gathering in Law Enforcement is always a human job. Sure it is. We cant vacuum up communications. You cant ignore technology and this is evidence of it right here. You cant. They have to learn to penetrate these communities and figure out how 20 communicate. Very good to see you, eric. Thank you for walking us through this. Im sure well be talking to you in the coming days. Not a small thing. Were following a whole lot of breaking news today. Lets get to it. The doomed metrojet flight was brought down by a bomb. A one kilogram bomb. It was a homemade explosive device inside the aircraft. Intense round of air strikes overnight dropped about 16 bombs. The manhunt is on for the eighth suspected terrorist. Isis leaders may have been directly involved in planning the attacks. A mastermind who has ties directly to the leader of isis itself. Why cant we take out these bastards . Well do whats required to keep the American People safe. There are some 11,000 jihadi suspects across france today. Im very surprised we havent had this kind of attack in the United States yet. This is cnn breaking news. To you in the United States and around the world, this is new day. Alisyn and i are in paris, michaela is in new york. Were following the latest developments in fridays terror attacks. Another isis attack also in focus, russian officials confirming just hours ago, that will metrojet flight that crashed in egypt was in fact brought down by a homemade bomb. Now, we are also learning that russia has launched several air strikes, targeting isis in syria. What do these attacks on russia and france mean for the war on isis . We have all the angles covered for you only the way cnn can. Lets begin with Senior International correspondent Matthew Chance. He has the latest out of moscow. Matthew . Thanks very much. For the first time its been acknowledged confirmed that it was a bomb that brought down that metrojet airliner the airbus a321. October 31st, just last month, killing all 224 people on board, mote of them russian citizens taking off from Sharm El Sheikh in the Sinai Peninsula en route back home to st. Petersburg. The head of the Russian Security sources, head of the fsb, the former kgb, telling Vladimir Putin, the russian president on state television that traces of foreignmade explosions were found in parts of the fuselage and in the passengers luggage. He said a homemade explosive device had been planted on the aircraft with a power of Something Like 2. 2 pounds of tnt. That accounts for the fact that parts of the fuselage were spread over such a wide area in the Sinai Peninsula. The response of Vladimir Putin has been rapid. The russian president saying of the culprits we will search for them everywhere no matter where theyre hiding well find them in any place on the planet and punish them. Vladimir putin, vowing revenge for that bombing of that Russian Airliner and the death of those 224 people on board. Okay matthew, thank you for all of that breaking news out of moscow. We also have breaking developments now in the paris terror attacks. With the suspected mastermind on the loose in syria. We are learning the u. S. Homeland security raised red flags about this socalled mastermind six months ago. Lets get to cnns chief National Correspondent jim sciutto. Youve been tracking all of this what have you learned . This is one yet more missed warning sign. We reported yesterday that Abdelhamid Abaaoud was believed to be the mastermind. Hes in syria, a Belgian National. Now we know the department of Homeland Security knew about him six months ago in may and sent out an alert, in effect, saying they were looking for this guy. They pinned one plot on him at that point, a plot in belgium that was thwarted to attack and Kill Police Officers. There was a shootout involved. Since then they tide him to other plots, including, youll remember this the attack on the highspeed train thwarted by the three brave americans. Abdel abaaoud behind that as well. Sadly, in greater magnitude, the attacks in paris. It is telling, it speaks about how many leads theyre trying to follow but also something that has to be analyzed now, how such a complex plot in the streets of paris where so many of the pieces and so many of the players were aware, authorities were aware of them before. Several of the attackers and now we know the mastermind not just here in europe but also in the u. S. So troubling. Jim, thank you. Of course the understanding of the global war is informed by each specific attack. Thats why the manhunt is so important right now. Lets go to our correspondent ivan watson hes in belgium. Thats become the focus of the manhunt for the believed eighth attacker two men to be believed at large. What do we know now, ivan . Well, 26yearold Salah Abdeslam hails from the neighborhood of molenbeek where im standing right now in the belgian capital of brussels. Now, the police have looked into three brothers from the same family salah, who is at large and a car that he was believed to have been traveling in from paris after the attacks was actually found here in this neighborhood by belgian investigators over the course of the weekend. His brother, ibrahim one of the suicide bombers, who died in the paris attacks carrying out the attacks and another brother, mow ham was mohamed he was briefly detained and released. He was speaking out in defense of his brothers. Listen. In spite of the tragedy my parents are in shock. We do not real eye yet what has happened. My family and i are affected by what happened. We found out by tv just like many of you. We did not think for a moment that one of our brothers was related to these attacks. Mohamed abdeslam speaking from the family house which is about 100 feet from where im standing now. Another resident of brussels a French National known as balil had fy hafdi. A lot of the logistics are said to have been carried out here. Abdelhamid abaaoud also a resident of this neighborhood of molenbeek and at large at this time. You have belgian officials who have arrested two people here and charged them with terrorism over the course of the last several days. We do not know their identities yet. But the threat levels have been raised here in belgium with the belgian Justice Minister telling me that some of the suspects were on a watch list but had evidently smuggled themselves back into belgium after being volunteer fighters in syria and escaping belgian officials, the belgian authorities have canceled a soccer match planned tonight amid security fears. Alisyn and chris. Ivan thank you for all of that reporting. We want to bring back in now jim sciutto. We want to bring in cnn Senior International correspondent Clarissa Ward as well. Great to have both of you here. Lets talk about how it has definitively proven according to russia that metrojet was brought down by a bomb and their retaliation seems to be swift. Whats russia doing . Very swift. Similar to the retaliation from france of two nights ago, a series of air strikes in raqqah home base of isis and the mastermind of these attacks here in paris. A mix from russia of sea launch cruise missiles as well as longrange bomber strikes. This was a significant operation. One thing i should add, im told by a u. S. Defense official that the u. S. Was alerted in advance. They were given prior notice. Thats not coordination were not attacking together. That was to help avoid accidents. It does show you how many players are there now. Strategically, what was their response . Russia announced it was a terror attack they drop moreple bos. France has an attack on the streets, they drop more bombs. We havent seen a fundamental change on the ground. Theyre multifaceted challenges. Often our reporting demands context. We hear about the bombing. Thats seen as being effective. Targeting and finding the people that you want most this guy who planned this stuff, we call him a mastermind probably giving him too much credit its not easy to find. Theres reasons to are that clarissa. What have you learned . Ive spent pretty much the last year communicating with a lot of different jihadis inside syria and iraq many of them with isis. Theyre technologically savvy. They dont just use cell phones casually. They use secret shots on telegrandmother and theyre street smart. Its important to remember many of them have criminal records. These are guys who many of them were street kids back at home. They know how to avoid the police, go under the radar and they know how to buy weapons. That gives them an edge. Youre seeing a hybrid between a common street criminal and radical jihadi. When you put those two things together, you get a toxic brew. Prisons are often where theyre radicalized. Absolutely. Sure spot thats a widely available encrypted communications app. Those are the ones john brenner, the cia director reiterated this yesterday. Encrypted communications that the u. S. Does not have capable surveillance they effectively are dark dark communications. To even the great power of the nsa. We even talked about how they use gaming systems, play station 4, all sorts of technology that we dont think of and they speak in code, alisyn. You remember the man who held up the Kosher Grocery store. He was speaking in code. He was talking about buying books when he was talking to the other Charlie Hebdo plotters. They are smart, theyre savvy, they understand the criminal world. Theyve been dealing with the police for many years. They know how to outsmart them. Also they play with no rules. Youre trying to defend against them in a system of rules. That is something thats being confronted in real time in france right now with this state of emergency. And it does lead to the question that were seeing back reflected in the United States as well do the rules need to change to deal with the current threat . Its a real debate. I spoke to a president ial candidate here yesterday, conservative party, saying of those 11,000 we talked about so many times, they may have committed petty crime but not acts of terrorism yet but they are considered risks. Hes raising something thats controversial, frankly illegal, preventative detention, put them on house arrest before they do something. Weve been talking about that the last 48 hours. Its fascinating how youve been able to communicate with the jihadis use something of the systems they do. We can assume that Law Enforcement can do that as well. But they dont seem to be tapping into it as much as they should be. We dont know honestly. I think we can all assume there are plenty of Law Enforcement officials from various countries posing as journalists, as wouldbe recruits out there and talking to these guys. Theyre also pretty smart about, even ill talk to someone from isis. Theyre not going to tell me this is what we do every day in raqqah. What do they share . They share they want to talk a lot about the ideology. They want to make you whats interesting, alisyn they really want you to buy into their ideology. They want you its frustrating to them that you cant see what is so clear to them. They believe fundamentally theres a war between muslims and the rest of the world. Thats their story and theyre sticking to it. Its hard for them to get it because they dont see anything else. Am i right . A big part of dealing with the intelligence of this is that theres such a closedmindedness, within you take somebody who has the assets to be violent and not the understanding to go beyond their own experience. Thats what they prey upon in radicalizing people. They look for people who are physically capable. A French Security official told me something yesterday that i found alarming. He said in the past it would take months to radicalize someone. Now it takes as short as one to two weeks. Youre talking about how the leads pop up. One to two weeks you turn a kid from the south of paris into a potential terrorist. Thats almost impossible to keep up with. You go to Training Camp. Its less about learning to use weapons than it is being inculcated with this ideology day in and day out. By the time you leave that camp you are buying wholesale into the ideology. Its not different than what every other country does with its military. You have so first learn and understand why youre doing it and then teaching you what to do is more easily facilitated. Something were also hearing, this is a big problem for us alisyn you have to be on the grounded to combat these things not just with weapons but counterinsurgency, counterintelligence. That leads to a question who do you put on the ground . How many what happens one theyre there . Theres an argument youll hear from the president , you go on the ground and that causes more to join the fight. I mean, you have that battle, too. Its difficult to find a way to extinguish it. Thats the problem. Thats exactly what they want. If you ask any isis member what they want they want american Ground Troops on the ground inside syria, inside iraq again. They know how polarizing that will ab cross the region. They want to create a context, its us against them. Of course they say that its muslims against the world and that theyre under attack. Muslims were killed on friday night. Absolutely. There were numerous muslim victims. Theyre heretics. Al qaeda, its interesting, all that you just described, us against them the world bringing the attack to the far enemy. That echos Osama Bin Laden 14 years ago. That alarms u. S. Counterintelligence and Security Services because they feel theyre dealing something of that magnitude. Thanks for being with us. Theres a lot here in paris, many developments. Also in new york we get more headlines. Back to michaela. Here are your headlines. Fallout from the paris attacks reaching u. S. Statehouses today. At least 27 governors now on record against Administration Plans to resettle 10,000 syrians in the u. S. Next year. Opposition to the resettlement plans exploded after it was revealed that at least one suspect in the paris attacks slipped into europe claiming to be a syrian refugee. We are going to speak with the first governor on the record fighting the Administration Plan alabamas robert bentley. Hell join us next hour. 51 people arrested at a second day of protests following the Fatal Police Shooting of a black man in minneapolis. Hundreds of protesters shutting down part of the i94 freeway for about three hours monday night. 24yearold jamar clark was shot by an officer apparently during a struggle as police tried to arrest him. The minneapolis mayor has now asked for a federal civil rights investigation. Youll recall that story, the utah judge that sparked a public backlash from removing a foster child from the home of a lesbian couple is now removing himself from the case. Scott johansson initially decided to place the 9monthold with heterosexual parents instead saying the baby would be better off. National gay Rights Groups the states republican governor many others criticized the ruling. There are even calls for johanssons impeachment. He later reversed his order. 13 minutes past the hour. Lets head back to alisyn in paris. Thanks so much for all of that. We do have new information on the paris attacks. We will be bringing you those developments how they were plan who orchestrated them. Well speak live with one of the citys mayors, coming up next. The pursuit of healthier. It begins from the second were born. Because, healthier doesnt happen all by itself. It needs to be earned every day. Using wellness to keep away illness. And believing a single life can be made better by millions of others. As a Health Services and Innovation Company optum powers modern healthcare by connecting every part of it. 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He sat down with cnns chief International Correspondent christiane amanpour. Tell us about your conversation. Hes been talking to a round robin if youd like of the american networks. Basically haze message was similar to president obamas, that the strategy is working. I said if thats the case, there are some 352 civilians have have been killed with the russia jet, the beirut bombings and now paris. I said is that the new normal . He said no well fight back and the strategy is working. I said have we underestimated who they are . Theyre not just terrorists. Terrorism is a means. These are people with a totalitarian ideology. He admits these are modern day fascias. He said we have a coalition, of course no acknowledgement that there needs to be boots on the ground and then he also said that he had a lot of hope in the political process that theyve started with the russians and he hoped that in syria within a few weeks there would be at least a ceasefire as a start. Thats what he hoped, within four to six weeks. Okay. Lets listen to more of your interview. Mr. Secretary, welcome to the program. Delighted to be here. Can you first confirm for us news of one of the terrorists suspected in this attack Abdelhamid Abaaoud. He is apparently a top level belgian citizen isis member. Well i can confirm that hes an isis member and top level but i cant confirm whether he was targeted or not. What about jihadi John Mohamed Emwazi do you confirm officially that the United States did kill him in a drone attack. I can confirm officially that hes been targeted and we have been after him and that weve, in recent days taken some efforts to try to eliminate him from the battlefield. I cant confirm the consequence. You cant tell you whether hes dead or not. I cant confirm that at this moment. All right. Mr. Secretary, the president yesterday said that the strategy is working and were going to continue with more of the same and that isis is contained, however, in the last ten or so days 352 civilians have been killed by isis whether in the russian plane, whether in beirut. Sure absolutely. Now in paris. The question is then is this the new normal . Is this what we as citizens are expecting from our leadership that this is acceptable Collateral Damage . Absolutely not. No. This is not normal. It will not be normal. It will not become normal. It is an aberration. It is a reflection of what foreign fighters have been able to do going to syria and then coming back and being able to spread their vial ideology to other people or even through the social media. But when the president says that isis daesh, better name for them daesh, is contained, he was talking about and we are talking about within iraq and within syria, their territory has been reduced. They are now operating in 25 less territory. We have liberated tikrit 100,000 sunni have returned to tikrit. Weve liberated the bayji refinery. Were in the process of fighting to liberate ramadi with iraqis leading that effort. Weve liberated sinjar were currently moving on other communities nearby which will cut off the supply route from mos toll raqqah. Raqqah is under increased attacks from the french from the russians and the entire border of northern syria, 75 of it has now been shut off. We are entering an operation with the turks to shut off the other remaining 98 kilometers. So theres a major effort taking place. The president has put additional American Forces on the ground in terms of special forces to enable some of these operations. We are engaged in thickening our presence in incirlik. More people flying more missions. I believe the pressure is mounting on daesh. I am convinced that over time and the president always said this will take some time. Now, weve always said theres also a threat of these attacks elsewhere in the world until we have gotten further down the road in this process and that is a risk. But more troops on the ground are not suddenly going to i mean more the invasion of the country or something. It is not going to solve the problem because you need something underneath it, coming in thats going to secure those areas. Thats going to show that the local population is invested in kicking out daesh and helping to keep them out. Thats what were working on right now. The liberated territories that you mentioned happened with Ground Forces, mostly indigenous indigenous. Correct. While you say it is contained its in fact spread to libya, the sinai. Weve seen it here in europe. Im asking you. Well yes. Yes. Were working on the libyan situation. In fact very much preoccupied by it and engaged with various parties to try to bring people together and see if we cant get a governing entity in place that will allow us to begin to focus on daesh there. But what i think is happening is that theres a new awareness, people are coming together in this coalition which we built. I mean the coalition has only been in existence for a year. One year. One year ago we didnt have a coalition. One month ago we didnt have a political process in place which we now have. With rurn and with russia at the table, which gives us an opportunity to perhaps, get a ceasefire in place within the next three, four five weeks and then be able with the political process, to work with other parties to again, squeeze harder on daesh. So i think that the strategy is in fact real. Its several fold. Its one focus on daesh. Two, stabilize the countries in the region and, three, get the political process in place and move to get assad transitioning, because hes magnet for this terrorism. And then begin to focus on daesh itself. Im convinced ultimately were going to eliminate daesh as a viable entity thats daytoday terrorizing people in the way that al qaeda did previously and cant today. Mr. Secretary, terrorism as you know better than i do is a means, its not actually an end and many are now saying that daesh, isis is in fact the 21st century eastern version of what we saw in the west in the 20th century, that is totalitarian fascists and extremists. Do you think that weve got it wrong so far, that were waging this socalled war on terror but we havent mobilized to defeat an ideology as poisonous and as vial as naziism and totalitarianism . Ive said this myself many times, that this is a modern form of medieval fascism coupled with modern fascism. Its a very dangerous and volatile cocktail thats been mixed together there. At the same time its a barbarism without a real ideology or real platform or real future. I mean what they do is kill the yazidis because theyre yazidis. They have totalitarian utopian and imperial goals they want to spread. Is our response up to their aims . We are going to defeat daesh and were going to eliminate daesh as an entity that is threatening people the way it is today. Im convinced of that. Every country in the region and in the world is opposed to daesh, to what daesh stands for, to what daesh is doing. What we have to do now is mobilize the capacity which is what weve been doing to be able to systematically go after them and eliminate them. And im convinced we will. When you have iraq iran turkey lebanon, jordan egypt, saudi arabia all of the major countries in that region and russia and the United States and europe all united in this effort i would not want to be daesh. And i believe daesh is going to feel that pressure increasingly over the course of these next weeks and months. Every country is gearing up to do more and president obama, you know its important for people to know, he didnt wait for paris. To up this. He decided himself several months ago that we needed to do more because he saw what was happening with daesh in libya and places. So thats when he ordered his own review. Thats when he decided to put special forces on the ground and announced it. Thats when he increased our strike capacity. Thats when we put the operations together with the turks. Thats when we invited more countries to come in to incirlik and fly. And thats and have pressed i might add, on a number of other lines of effort that people dont see. Were cutting off financing on a global basis. Were going after the ideology. Weve created a center in abu dhabi thats on the social meter in arabic instantaneously responding to their lies and discrediting them. Were taking the stories of disaffected, former daesh fighters who have come back and said life is nowhere near the paradise and the, you know easy life and great life that they said that theyre a bunch of lies. And they have killed people who try to leave. And they i mean this is a group that is so ferocious in its barbarism, that i believe, we all of us are going to band together and ultimately were going to prevail. You can fight over whether one thing or another is being done fast enough but you cant fight over the notion that we are committed to doing this and that each day our capacity is growing to be able to have a greater impact and to protect people. And i believe, look you know the terrible thing is that if some individual in life wants to kill themselves we have seen it in nonideological events in the United States in a theerater or somewhere else. In a shopping mall. If somebody wants to do that they can do that unfortunately. But i think the ability for you know, its much harder for governments who have to get it right, not that one time you try to do something bad. They have to get it right every single day, 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year. Frankly, weve done an enormous amount of stopping many plots before they have been hatched. We have interrupted people in midstream. And i think weve done a very significantly increased effort of being able to penetrate and find out whats going on and act ahead of time. That i think, now will only grow even more. Youve been here to offer condolences. What are you doing for the french . Any stepped up Security Intelligence . And also your comments on the reports that it was actually a bomb that brought down the russian jet. With respect to the french we are working very closely with the french. Weve had intelligence exchanges in the last days we are increasing the exchange of information. We are already planning some military activities. Weve helped the french with respect to their targeting that theyve undertaken in the last few days in their increased strikes on raqqah. There will be other things. President hollande is coming to washington to meet with president obama. Well talk further about our joint plans. Theres no question there will be stepped up increased cooperation and joint military effort and other efforts between the United States and france. And the bomb that brought down the russian jet . You know i guess what president putin said is theres evidence of explosives on the airplane and weve had some indicators of that for some period of time. Its been important for the rugs and the egyptians to announce their conclusions because they are the formal investigators. But i have no doubt that that will elicit a ferocious response from russia also, against daesh. And we will make certain that were all working in the same direction to destroy daeshs ability to terrorize anywhere. Secretary kerry, thank you very much indeed. Thank you. Good to be with you. Well i mean he sounds determined that they will be victorious. He talks about, its true a year ago there wasnt this big coalition. A month ago there wasnt a political process. I thought it was fight significant that he said he hoped there would be a ceasefire in syria within three to five weeks. Thats fight telescope. Thats fight interesting. He said that every country now is stepping up efforts against isis and he listed it as you heard, a huge number of countries in the region russia europe trying to gear up to do more to defeat this. He called it a fascist, a combination a dangerous cocktail of mideast and modern fascism and he talked about also trying to combat their ideology in all sorts of words that are not seen on a daytoday basis. Thanks so much for sharing your interview with us. Great to hear that. Thank you. We have new information for you on the paris attacks. Chris and i are here obviously live. We want to tell you about the person who the investigators believe is behind it all. We have one of the city deputy mayors, coming up. Hi im heather cox on location with the famous, big idaho potato truck. Our truck . Its touring across america telling people about idaho potatoes. Farmer lets go boy. Again this year the big idaho potato truck is traveling the country spreading the word about heart healthy idaho potatoes and making donations to local charities. Excuse me miss, have you seen our truck . You just missed it. Ahhh aw man are you kiddin me . We are here in paris and were learning that a u. S. Assessment of the intelligence suggested that isis was developing more sophisticated attacks in the west. So how is so much crucial information missed . Theres a lot going on to discuss. We have a deputy mayor with us. Very good to have you, mr. Deputy mayor. Before we get to the politics and implications of what happens next lets deal with what matters most those affected. There are still many people fighting for their lives in Critical Conditions in area hospitals. What can you tell us . Yes. You know during this black friday around 500 parisian people were injured, around 250 are still in hospital. What was incredible within two hours 500 people. Oh, my gosh. Two hours they took in 500, many are still fighting. 30 people within one hour. It means one injured people each two minutes. It was very difficult. We can only imagine. Think about 250 of the injure ready still in the hospital. I know youve spent the past three days going from hospital to hospital six or eight different hospitals. Can you tell us about them . Their injuries are they in Critical Condition . Whats the status . We havent heard enough about the injured people and the victims. Yes. There was really 90 were injured by bullets. 90 were injured by bullets. Yes. We have an emergency plan. We never imagined that 500 parisian people could be shot by gun. Its incredible. We faced, our hospital faced, our professionals were incredibly efficient. Before we started with the plan the emergency plan professionals went to the hospital to provide care. Its incredible. In some hospital seven, eight, 15 arrived at the same time. The situation was very difficult, our hospital faced. They took charge and hopefully saved many lives. Unfortunately 30 parisian were killed. Weve been told to be careful of reporting about how many lives were lost because its not known yet. There are so many fighting for lives, so fragile that that number could still change. Is that the reality . Yes, yes, yes. At this hour 132 people died. I hope no others. Some of them are sitting between life and death. They are fighting. And so we know that you are involved in the health the deputy mayor of health. In terms of security for paris, what do you think changes now . How is this city changing . We see police everywhere. How do you think the mayor will handle nothing like this happening . The response of the mayor and elected is to protect our population. This is the first of our responsibility. And, of course with government we will take all measures to protect our population because these terrorists have an infinite imagination. You know . We dont know if next time they want to target to attack our school school. We protect our population. We will not change our way of life. If you ask parisian people today, they are sad but theyre angry and they want to resist. I tell you, next friday at 9 00 p. M. I will go to a bar to show the terrorists that the parisian people will not change our way of life. We love to go with friends to a bar. We love sport. We love to be together. Well continue. Thats our response. We hear your resolution and weve heard it from the parisians here as well. Thank you for being on with us. The need is very great, as you heard, many are still fighting for their lives here. If you want to help the victims of the paris terror attacks, you can do so go to cnn. Com impact. Youll find all the information there. President obama defending his no boots on the ground strategy to fight isis. But can air strikes alone defeat the terrorists . General wesley clark has a theory on this. He joins us to break it down, next. Hi im heather cox on location with the famous, big idaho potato truck. Our truck . Its touring across america telling people about idaho potatoes. Farmer lets go boy. Again this year the big idaho potato truck is traveling the country spreading the word about heart healthy idaho potatoes and making donations to local charities. Excuse me miss, have you seen our truck . You just missed it. Ahhh aw man are you kiddin me . We have breaking developments on two terror fronts here at this hour. First russian officials confirm the metrojet flight that went down in sinai weeks ago was taken down by a homemade bomb. Russian president Vladimir Putin now vowing in response out of vengeance to punish those responsible. And the proof has already come. Impacting the situation in syria, russia has already started bombing isis targets there. And letting the u. S. Know in advance. Here in paris were learning that a u. S. Assessment that was done of what isis was capable of did lead them to the person whos now seen as the planner of what happened here on fridays terror attacks, that he was already on the radar of u. S. Homeland security. France tried to take him out in a strike at an isis Training Camp last month but were obviously unsuccessful. President obama is defending the u. S. Strategy to fight isis while french president hollande is urging a Global Coalition to stop the terror group by stepping up the measures to do so. What will it take to defeat isis . Are air strikes enough . The consensus is no. What else is needed . Retired general wesley clark joins us now. Good to have you, general. Thank you. Secretary kerry just laid out the best solution which is also perhaps the greatest challenge, getting the world to unite on all the different fronts necessary to take on daesh. What do you think of that . How close are we to that solution that capability of being united globally against isis . Well were probably at least weeks away and maybe months away. But unfortunately, for isis the more they do the sooner the world will unite against them to crush them. Isis has no idea the power that its provoking bringing down on itself. Whereas it may have gotten away with what it considered a few nuisance strikes by the United States perhaps, where we were striking at welldefined targets and doing our best to avoid collateral casualties. The action such as taking down the Russian Airliner and especially the horrific tragedy in spain, when the world comes against isis we can cut off the flow of fresh fighters going into that region. We can prevent isis from selling oil abroad or largely prevent it and we can certainly bring military power to bear against isis. Lets be clear. The major Ground Fighting has got to be done by the neighbors in the region and that means turkey iraq. It means the free syrian resistance army. It means saudi arabia because they speak the language. They can go in and actually identify the fighters. The United States france britain, other western countries, perhaps russia can help. But the actual on the Ground Fighting has to be done and then there has to be a structure for governance for bringing normalcy back to these regions and that has to be thought through before the Ground Troops go in. Lets discuss this general, because this is often overlooked in the need for military might. You have points of ideology and practicality that you touched on. How important is it for this to come from the region both in terms of definition and cultural ownership of what islam is and is not, and of how to truly stabilize this region in a way that you can have success over time. I think you put your finger on the two points. You had it has to be defined by the rightful proponents of islam. This is an ideology that were fighting but its also fighters. Its people fighting mixed amongst a population. Unless theres wholesale slaughter of innocence, you have to be able to identify the fighters and go after the fighters. So that cant be done by western armys with the best of intent. The western armys can only shoot at those that shoot at them bomb identified targets but they cant sort out men, women and children who are innocent from the ones who are actually fighting. Think of it this way, the west can provide the firepower but the west cannot provide the ontheground leadership to sort this out. And afterwards weve seen as we saw in iraq that you cannot put a western army in an occupying status and expect it to reconstruct a society. Now in syria, there are the vestiges of the Assad Administration in most places they have got to be preserved. Maybe not bashar al assad. He has to go. Thats what president obama called for. The administrators the people who Service Health and provide electric power and regulate Traffic Control and fix highways all those people who have been paid by the assad government, they have to stay and work. And that is what complicates this situation so much. In a vacuum of opportunity and services extremism can take root. The peace is only as good as it is sustainable through the system that remains after the war on the ground. Thats the point youre making about what happens after the military aspect of this being just as important as the military aspect itself. Its more important. As always, thank you for the perspective. Thank you. Yes, sir. Understood. Well be making that point Going Forward. Thank you for helping us do so. Well take a quick break. When we come back isis is responding to the coalition against it by promising to do more terrible things. Promising in a new video to attack washington, d. C. Is it just talk . How could it happen . What is known in the United States about threats in the pipeline . Information ahead. Big day . Ah, the usual. Moved some new cars. Hauled a bunch of steel. Kept the supermarket shelves stocked. Made sure everyone got their latest gadgets. Whats up for the next shift . Ah, nothing much. Just keeping the lights on. laugh nice. Doing the big things that move an economy. See you tomorrow, mac. See you tomorrow, sam. Just another day at norfolk southern. Boy once upon a time, there was a nice house that lived with a family. One day, it started to rain and rain. Water got inside and ruined everybodys everythings. The house thought she let the family down. 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But what im asking is that what have you been told in terms of areas that you are more sensitive to or capabilities that you are paying more attention to . Is there any preference that you have in terms of responding to what weve learned . Obviously the, you know, shift in attacks has been to more soft targets and more populated area with theres a different atmosphere. And nothing can be left out. You have to have broad security that includes all of those potential targets and that is what makes it so important that you dont too narrowly focus on the last attack. Really it is being prepared for any eventualities. So you cant focus too much on the last attack but you have to take into consideration all of the details that we do know about the last attack. What progress has been made in information sharing . Obviously the intelligence sharing is always so important in prevention. And in terms of Community Policing the see something, Say Something initiatives put in place . Just in the last several years weve made tremendous strides in terms of information coming in from the community. I think our communities are very very sensitive in reporting things to the police and that is critical in this time. But we also have a great relationship with our federal partners. We were in Constant Contact on friday actually as the attacks were unfolding, phone calls and information going back and forth. And weve been doing this a long time now. Unfortunately our wake up call was more than ten years ago. So we have a lot of practice now and things just happen automatically. And just to be thorough has anything been detected . Anyone been detained because of recent threats . The community does increase sensitivity when Something Like this happens, so weve had significant up tic for calls and suspicious activity and packages and we respond accordingly. But that is exactly what we want. And i think that is the direction we want to keep going. The use of technology out here today in conjunction with the work in the community is going to be key for keeping the city safe. Understood. But to this point you havent had to make any arrests, nothing has been detected and foiled . Theres been no arrests, no. Chief, thank you very much. It is a big job. Appreciate you talking to us about it and good luck in the days ahead. Thanks chris. All right. The home situation not just in washington d. C. But national there is a dialogue going on about what else can be done to fight against terrorism . What should we do to prevent attacks like this . Including howie address refugees. These are big conversations with a lot of news informing them. Lets get do it. A master mind who has ties directly to the leader of isis itself. None of the bombers identified so far in the paris attacks have been on any u. S. Watch list. Is this the new normal . Absolutely not. No. This is not normal. More than half of this countrys governors are now saying they dont Syrian Refugees in their states. Many f of these refugees are the victims of terrorism themselves. They are being purse cuted. Shouldnt be allowed in the u. S. To combat isis. I would anticipate this is not the only operation isil has in the pipeline. This is cnn breaking news. To our viewers in the United States and around the world you are watching new day. This is a special edition live from paris. Michaela is in new york city. Chris and i are following new leads in the terror attacks here in paris. But we begin with breaking information about the different deadly isis attack. This one the russian officials confirming that metro jet flight was brought down by what they call a home made bomb. The russians promising vengeance and already delivering with strikes on targets in syria. Russian president putin says he will find and punish who is responsible for this. They put a 15 million reward on information leading to it. We have all angles of whats going on with Russian Military French Military the investigation here in paris. The reverberations at home. Lets start with Matthew Chance in moscow with the big news. They are now saying what brought down that plane. That is right chris. For the first time. Weve got confirmation from the russian of all people that it was a terrorist attack. It was a bomb according to the Russian Security services at the fsb. About a kilogram in weight. A homemade explosive device as it was described. And that accounted for the fact that the debris from the fuselage of the metro jet airline was spread across such a wide area of the sinai desert and why investigators have been piecing together the debris over the past month. Putin the russian president swift in his response vowing revenge saying well search everywhere. No matter where they are hiding well find them any place in the planet and punish them. He didnt name isis of course overtly but he said the air strikes in syria would not just continue. They will be intensified to show that the criminals to show the criminals so they understand that revenge is unavoidable. So the revenge against isis Vladimir Putin clearly putting the finger of blame at that group and vowing to strike even harder at the rebel group inside syria in the days ahead. Thank you. So discoveries on the russian front here in france. What did the violence on friday is known. Who planned it is also a big focus of the investigation and now they believe they know the man who was the planner of the paris massacre. They know his name. They know hes planned other plots in the past. And they believe they know where he is in syria. However cnn has learned that ugh russias intelligence were determined to find this man and kill him and couldnt get it done in the last few weeks. It is so easy to say they should have got him but that last piece of actual identifying and striking is huge. It is huge, chris. And what we know now is that french authorities as recently as a month ago had tried to track down and locate the master mooind of these paris attacks. Hes a 27yearold belgian of moroccan origin and believed to be responsible for other plots as well. He was able to escape. He was able to get back to syria it is believed and we know now the department of Homeland Security in a report as far back as may was saying they believed he was a risk that they believed the group was developing capabilities to possible carry out complex attacks here in the west. Now we are also getting more information about what these attackers were doing into the days leading up to friday. According to a french weekly news magz they were staying in a budget hotel and in those hotel rooms they have found pizza boxes and also syringes. Those now being tested for possible traces of explosives and meanwhile of course the main focus here on the ground in paris and across the country is on finding that eighth attacker. Overnight another 128 raids. Frances interior Ministry Announcement announcing soldiers are fanning out across the country to provide protection for the french people but also to try to drill down on the location of this eighth attacker and the network that likely would have been needed to help facilitate and ork straight these attacks. A lot of attention on the eighth attacker and that vest they believe is it still at large. Belgium has become a hot spot where the man hunt is focused now. Ivan watson is there. Whats the latest . Reporter chris, i just got off the phone with the belgian federal prosecutor and hes given much more details about some of the suspected attackers in the paris attack. Notably three suspects that he says belgian authorities had spoken with, had been monitoring prior to the paris attacks. Two of them being the abdul salem brothers ibrahim and salah. Salah is the subject of a International Man hunt right now and is now at large. The belgian federal Prosecutor Says ibrahim first caught the attention of belgian authorities the beginning of this year after he apparently tryied to go to syria and was returned by turkish officials. He was then brought in for questioning in february of this year and eventually released when told when he said that he did not any longer want to go to syria. And the missing brother salah was also questioned at that time and eventually released. Now the federal Prosecutor Says they do not have the manpower here in belgian to monitor all of the hundreds of people who want to go and fight and join the jihad in syria. That they have their hands full just following around 130 belgians who have actually gone to syria and then returned back to here that they are the highest priority to be monitored right now. Now, a Third Brother Muhammed Abdul was brought in for questioning this weekend and released. There are no criminal charges against him. And hes come out defending his family since his brief detention. Take a listen. Translator you also need to understand that in spite of the tragedy, my parents are in shock. We do not realize yet what has happened. My family and i are affected by what happened. We found out by tv just like many of you. We did not think for a moment that one of our brothers was related to this these attacks. Reporter the belgian federal prosecutor confirms the car he was traveling in that was briefly stopped by french authorities did show up here in press brussels. Though he is still at large and considered to be a real danger. A third suspect lived in brussels. Blew himself up in paris, he was also known to the belgian authorities as having gone to syria to fight. What they didnt know was that he had come back to europe. They did not know that he had smuggled himself back into europe. And that is a major concern that the authorities have now. Back theo you. All right. You have given us a lot of information to try to talk about and dissect. Lets bring in Clarissa Ward. Shes back with us. And also cnn terrorism analyst, paul crookshank. Paul you have even more information. Ab del hamid, he was Close Friends with a guy on the run, the eighth attacker. They were both part of the same street gang in belgian. They were both defendants in the same trial for robbery in 2010. They go way back. That is one of the circumstantial pieces of evidence pointing perhaps to his involvement. But hes also been responsible and suspective for a host of terrorist plotting against europe most notably against belgian in january. But also according to lemond hes suspected to have been connected to and communicating with the guy who launched the shooting attack in the Jewish Museum in brussels in may 2014. And also suspected according to lemond having links with the train attacker the thwarted train attack right. Also the guy who plots against churches in april in paris of this year. And in august according to lemond there was a french isis fight who are came back to frons. He was arrested. And he told interrogators he had been recruited to launch a attack against a concert hall in france and more attacks were in the works. He claimed to have backed out of this plot. So there is significant intelligence pointing to organizing a string of terror attacks a campaign against france and other european countries. And there is real concern this is not over, it is just beginning. We knew so much. Knew so much. Knew who it was. And then the last space is most important. Well then why didnt you get him . How much more difficult is this space than Everything Else wear hearing . I think it is always easy to say why didnt we connect the dots with hindsight and why didnt they put this together and realize based on all this . But there is one key thing. That abboud was in street gangs before. He was essential a street guy back in belgian and that is something thats really changed the face of terror as we know it. Many of these young guys have criminal backgrounds of varying degrees. And what does that mean . I used to talk with ab american subsequently killed by drone strike. He told me back in the u. S. He had actually killed somebody. Not in the name of allayh or god but because of a drug deal gone awry. This makes them that much harder to catch. They are savvy. They are street smart. They have dealt with the police before. They know how the system works. They know how to fly under the radar. They know how to avoid protection. And perhaps most frighteningly they know how to build weapons. To amplify what clarissa was saying. Basically there is a super street gang going from belgian from all of these neighborhoods to syria. They all know each other and Work Together. Why are they doing it . Well the violate ethos of isis is appealing and they already have this violent ethos of the street in belgian. These people are essentially radicals who have become islamized. Gangsterism, petty crime. All kinds of contacts to get all sorts of weapons easily. Right and were getting new information. We had been reporting thisnt just about france. News comes of three arrests in west germany related to whats going on here. That speaks to what investigators are telling us that these raids have sent people scattering all over the place. And were in the european union. In the schengen zone. There are no borders here. They are open borders. We ask how could french authorities not be following every person that comes back from syria . The answer is they dont know. They dont fly back to france. They fly to another eu country and make their way here by land. And back to paul about the motivation. For many of these young bank manman, it is the same thing that motivates them to join a street gang. They want power. And the brothers from the Charlie Hebdo, they wanted to go down in history. This is that classic diseffected youth to make your mark to have everybody know your name. And russia says definitively today that that metro jet was brought down by a bomb. They have connected it to isis. So now isis seems to be in a different category. We now know they can bring down a plane with a bomb. They can plan a coordinated attack in a city like paris. They can according to at least one infiltrate a refugee refugee population previously unknown. They control all that territory in syria and iraq. And also lets not forget in places like libya just on the southern you know, of the mediterranean. And also they have an expanding presence in yemen and in the Sinai Peninsula. Lots of places to plot attacks. And all these westerners coming in. So if they decide to pull the trigger, and nothing close to that yet. Then i think we have a severe problem. Needs to be much more urgency from political leaders. We keep hearing recognition of reach. And we just saw it again. Breaking develops here in the investigation. Not just france and belgian, but germany. Three arrests. And also getting efforts of information in italy. So this effort is expanding. And i can imagine that will further expand. Back to you in a moment. Lets get a look at the head lines. Growing fallout after officials revealed at least one suspect slipped in hidden among syrian refugee refugees. Now more than half of u. S. Governors say Syrian Refugees are the unwelcome in their states. Were going to speak with the first governor to go on the record fighting the administrations plan. Alabamas robert bentley, later this hour. The mother of james foley, she will appear on capitol hill today. Diane will testify before the House Foreign Affairs committee during a hearing focused on terrorism financing. She told a d. C. Area reporter that air strikes that likely killed jihadi john are small solis. Jihadi john is believed to man who executed the american journalists including james foley. Secretary of state kerry here in paris meeting with the foreign minister trying to figure what to do next. Francois hollande asked for ramped up efforts. So what is going to happen next in this battle to defeeft isis . We have an interview with Chris Anne Amen power and everything slad out for you straight ahead. Cl p the future belongs to the fast. And to help you accelerate weve created a new company. One totally focused on whats next for your business. 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Secretary of state kerry speaking out about what hes doing here in france and what needs to be done to battle isis. He sat down with with christian amanpour. We asked if the strategy against icesis is working. Absolutely not. This is not normal. It will no be form. It will not become form. This is an aberration. But it is a reflection of what foreign fighters have been able to do going to syria and coming back and being able to spread their vile ideology to other people or even through the social media. That is his answer but it certainly still brings the question into sharp focus. If it is working, if this is when it is working, is this what we have to accept as reality . Yeah and my question to him whether this was the new normal was precisely that. And he said emphatically no. He also said they are very pleased they have an ever increasing ever resolute coalition. And said the political process as well he felt was working or potentially could provide fruit. I was quite surprised by his prediction of quick fruit that might be born. Listen to what he said. There is a new awareness. People are coming together in this coalition. Which we built. The coalition a has only been in existence for a year. Now we one with russia and iran at the table. And now we can perhaps get a cease fire in the next few weeks and get assad transitioning because hes the magnet for this. And then get focused on isis itself. And obama and put vn to Work Together now. There was that amazing picture of the more huddled. And to be frank the u. S. Administration other western governments were pretty angry with russia when they started bombing and frankly started actually taking control of the skies and saying to the u. S. Hey were in the neighborhood keep your planes away from ours. Now after what happened to their civilians in the metro jet crash they are hoping that will focus russia more working with the u. S. And to that end russia apparently today according to the Russian Defense ministry launched a massive strike on isis targets as the french are as well. Here is something the u. S. Authorities certainly dont like to talk about as much. But this war is felt by many to be something that islam and countries with their populations being largely proportionate to islam needs to own. This is their battle for the soul of what their faith is. Because you know very well and teach us all the time dont call them muslim they are not. But they are muslim. And that fight, how much has to be owned by the region . Zblel, you know, what . Many say yes, we also have to stand up and say not in our name. And you can see going on all over social media right now. Groups from the United States around the world saying not in my name. So that is one thing. But and i think this is really important to focus on right now. There are more and more people saying to me listen this is not about a religious war. This is not about just terrorism. That is just the means. This is about a fascist totalitarian ideology with grand ambitions. Istanbul rome damascus. Baghdad. All of those things, if they can get that is what they want. So the question is is the west is the coalition really responding in a way like, for instance the last time they did to 20th century fascism under the nazis during world war ii . Right. And will they go beyond air strikes. They are saying no Ground Troops at the moment but talking p about building up capacity and presumably local forces. That is the key. There are plenty of Ground Troops. It is just who trained and that it should be people from the region especially the turk even the egyptians, before even americans or french or russians that that would be more meaningful in stabilizing the area. Will it happen . Thank you christiane. Would you want Syrian Refugees and all the potential risks in your state . Dozens are saying all over the United States no. 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The latest count nevada was the most recent coming in overnight saying no to refugees from syria. There are a number of states saying just the opposite. Seven in fact. There is broken down along party lines. New hampshire being the exception. They have a democratic governor and they too are saying no. There are a number other states still undecided on this matter. Is it legal . Can they do this . Well the state department is a little on the fence but legal experts have said no. It is not a state authority to be able to say yes or no to anyone coming into this country. That is a federal power. However states can make it difficult because once the refugees are here many of the state governors control the Purse Strings of those various agencies that would help those refugees. So that is the real problem here. They can make life pretty difficult. You can bet there is going to be a lot of negotiation back and forth between the state department trying to convince states to get on board that are opposed or they may decide to take all of those that are coming and put them in states that are willing to accept. Well you frame it the right way. It is not just about law or politics but about culture. Defining who america wants to be. We have republican alabama governor robert bentley. The first to formally announce hes refusing to relocate Syrian Refugees to his state. Make the case for your action. Well it is my responsibility as the governor of alabama to make sure that the people of alabama are safe and secure. And we have too many Unanswered Questions related to the refugees. And when we have those Unanswered Questions, via the federal government we cant take the responsibility on a state level to bring people in. They only have to be right one time terrorists do. And we have to be wrong one time. And so we cant take that chance. And that is why weve made this decision. And the pushback would be well then you wouldnt let anybody in the country from anywhere because you never know with full certainty that a population is going to be harm free and the vetting of these refugees is not only layered and extended but is exhaustive as any. Well i have been told by my Law Enforcement agency by Homeland Security that there have been some major threats against the United States after 9 11. And all of those individuals came out of refugee programs. You have been told that all of the people who would want to harm the United States have come from refugee programs . Is that what you are saying. Major threats that have o occurred since 9 11. Not necessarily all but the major individuals that have been stopped are those individuals that have come out of refugee programs. That is what ive been told. So that informs your position that the refugees are the exact group that you want to target in terms of whom to keep out of country . Well right now. We just have to make a decision on each individual situation. And right now the situation is that we have to protect the people of our states. Do we have the authority . Yes we have the authority to do that. Well the authority that is going to be a separate conversation. Obviously immigration is federalry done. This comes down to what funding you can provide or not. You then have the complication that even if they are not allowed in alabama but they are allowed in florida or mississippi they have rights of movement so they could just move into your state. All of that could have to be dealt be w. But this main question of whether or not to allow them at all is worth more focus. The numbers show that this perception that what you are letting in in this refugee population are warrior age males kind of doesnt get supported by statistics. It is 50 50 male female. Most of the refugees want to come in are really young boys girls, women and young adult men. Does that change your opinion . Well, you know my heart says that we should let these people in simply because they are fighting isis and have been displaced by isis just like, you know isis is our enemy also. So my heart says that we should let them in. By head says that i have to protect the people of the state of alabama and keep them secure. In reconciling your heart with your head does your head tell you that this is essentially a religious test that you are putting on this population . Is that simply because they are muslims fleeing syria that you dont want them here even though there is all this layered vetting and considerations of whos getting let in and it is a relatively small slice of the overall population . Well let me say that the vetting is not done very well. Because the head of the fbi himself said that we cannot vet these people completely. And we just cant take a chance on it. Right now. We need to be protective of the people of your state and that is what im doing. I understand that. Kolmy said if they havent made any mark where they are, if they are not recognized as a threat in the system no amount of vetting could change that. But isnt this a major decision to make to say that this entire group of people some four million fleeing for their lives cannot be considered to enter the United States because of the concerns you have . Think about the implications that that might reverberate across the world . The message america would be sending that we wont accept any of these people who are literally running for their lives . No. And i said in my heart i feel that way. I feel that we should look into allowing them a place to go. But just like Condoleezza Rice said yesterday when i was with her. Where they need an area is really in the region where they live. It is not here in the United States. And as, you know the overwhelming majority are going exactly there. They are either in turkey or in a regional entity. We are dealing with a very small slice passed along by the u. N. To the u. S. For consideration. But obviously this is a debate about what is going on. Because it is definitional about what the country wants to be about. Well continue this conversation as it starts to move along in terms of the options. Thank you governor for joining us on new day. Thank you, chris. All right. President obama, for his part on this says drawing the conclusion not to let in Syrian Refugees could be a religious test and would be wrong. Hes also saying boots on the ground in syria, u. S. Boots would be wrong. Hes defending his strategy. Were going to talk to a congressman and fellow democrat who says the president has got it all wrong. Stay with us. What makes this simple salad the best simple salad ever . Heart healthy california walnuts. The best simple veggie dish ever . Heart healthy california walnuts. The best simple dinner ever . Heart healthy california walnuts. Great tasting, heart healthy california walnuts. So simple. Get the recipes at walnuts. Org. So what is president obamas strategy against isis . And is that strategy working . Iraq war veteran and democratic congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard says no. Shes also a member of the House Committee of armed services. Thanks so much for being here. I want to talk about what the president s strategy against isis is and what he actually believes the status of isis is. On friday he sat down with abc news and explained what he thinks of isis and their status right now. I dont think they are gaining strength. What is true is that from the start our goal has been first to contain. And we have contained them. Congresswoman, he said we have contained them. How can the president make that obviously hours later that was proven tragically wrong. Why did he make that claim . Good morning. And this is such an unconventional enemy that i think you cant think of it in the context of so called containment. As we saw with this horrific attack in paris this was something planned and executed in a place far away from the war in syria. What i am amazed by is how few people actually understand whats happening in syria. The reality is that the United States right now is waging two wars in syria that have opposing goals and opposing objectives. The first war is the war against isis. Against al qaeda and these islamic extremists working in consort with coalitions on the ground and weve seen this to be very effective in places like iraq and syria. The second war that has an objective completely opposite to the first is the one saudi arabia turkey and the United States are waging against the Syrian Government of assad. Working towards the exact same objective as these other groups in syria. This second war is illegal. Congress has not authorized us to go to war against the government of syria. And it is counterproductive because it is strengthening these groups and helping them to achieve their objective. And that is why i feel so strongly that we have to stop that war against the government of assad and harness our resources and focus our strategy and execute it well and effectively to defeat isis and defeat al qaeda, our enemy. Congresswoman, thank you for spelling that out. It is so complicated and there are so many alliances. Now that russia and france have said that they will provide a more robust response to isis and in fact weve seen that over the past few nights with their air strikes on isis targets in syria, what do you think happens now with the u. S. And this alliance . I think we need to work with them. We need to work with other partners and focus solely on defeating isis . We need to work with partners on the ground and partners in the region again solely to defeat isis. But we cannot accomplish that objective if we are simultaneously working to oppose it by strengthening our enemy and the overthrow of the assad regime. And that is where while there is a lot happening in the region while there is a lot of different groups at play here weve got to remain very focused on what our mission. Is our mission should be to defeat our enemy, the perpetrators of these attacks. And all of these other groups working on the ground towards their goal of removing the Syrian Government of assad so they can take over all of syria. If that is allowed to occur we will see a humanitarian disaster unlike anything else and will see a greater threat not only to the region but to the world so weve got to stay focused on our mission and stop this illegal counterproductive war to overthrow the Syrian Government of assad. And very quickly, in just if few seconds we have left. Do you think france russia the u. S. The coalition can accomplish this . With air strikes or must boots be on the ground . There need to be Ground Forces to hold the territory. The air strikes are proving to be very effective. Weve seen this work in places like kobani in syria working directly with the kurds. But the kurds on the ground have been the ones fighting that ground fight, have been doing it with very little resources. We need to provide support and resources to those ground fighters and work with them along with our air battle and our air forces. Congresswoman, Tulsi Gabbard, thank you so much for being on new day and all the information. Great to see you. Well the terrorist attacks here in france making it harder for peaceful muslims to be heard. So how will this impact the Muslim Community in paris. I had a chance to talk to some of them. Well show you that when we come right back. The future belongs to the fast. And to help you accelerate weve created a new company. One totally focused on whats next for your business. 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He tells us hes muslim so what is his life together. People are pointing him by fingers and hes scared about that and they are insulting him. So you feel peoples anger. Yeah. Their anger, they are angry against muslims. It doesnt matter whether im muslim im a jew, or christian or hindu, whatsoever. We are all together. That is it. Nearby a group of students coming to the plaza straight from school to show strength. What do you get from coming here. I they want people to split and we have to be united. You live near the attacks. Are you scared today . No. Why not . Because we are not allowed to be scared. We just cant. We believe in humanity and freedom. Those people dont have humanity. Maybe they are stronger than us because they dont care if someone dies in o their camp but humanity always win whatever humanity always win. That is a beautiful note. I hope that thats true. There are about 6 million muslims living in france. And there is only a small fraction of them that have any connection to what is now known as radical islamism. But those things aside every time this happens a shadow is cast over all of islam. From the land of invisible women, doctor every time you have to restart the conversation because the people who did this call themselves muslims, are muslims and it makes people think who arent muslim especially this is what they are about and they are out to get the rest of us. What is the space between . I understand there is denial all around. Denial on the part of islam that islamism emerges from within us. You are right. We are a huge diverse population most of whom dont subscribe to this ideology. And denial that there is actually an unprecedented hatred growing towards muslims. And also the syrian refugee has become the amorphous shame, the embodiment of antimuslim sentiment. These people have turned in to and merged with the idea that attack has created here in france. That shows lack of nuance all around. Which is very dangerous. Were seeing it coming out of the lips of high level politicians in the United States only feeds into one beneficiary and that is islamists themselves. Islamists benefit on the idea that muslims are under siege that. The west has a war on us. That secularism is a zionist conspiracy. So when you are saying no muslims allowed in that absolutely ignites that in a way that is far more dangerous. I think isis could not have imagined that kind of incendiary repercussion from even these events. Astonish. So what is the answer . Weve heard here in paris how insulated the Muslim Community is. There is not a lot of simulation. Exactly. The u. S. Is so tremendous at allowing people to have their own identities and encompassing them in society. Citizen only in document and not in spirit is very prevalent at least in britain and france and other areas ive seen. And other western european. One is giving people full embodiment of citizenship whatever way we can. The other is empowering civil islam. This issue of islamist terrorism is ten centuries old tension. The islam that existed before the war. Other kind of islam and the imposition of orthodoxy, which began with a rejection of that thought, rejection of islamist rationalists and now into the fact that islamists that convict these attacks that have happened in paris define every one of us 1. 7 billion, in the eyes of the onlookers. Thats deadly. Much more dangerous than how much is this a war for the soul of islam, for muslims like yourself to take back your faith from those who are defining it now as the perversion. I think it is absolutely a battle inside islam. And whether we have a soul left or not, i believe we have. But it is being engulfed and parasitized by islamism. It is almost immaterial how much islamists there are. And remember islamists can be violent as weve seen in paris device this years or several times and non violent which gives us the. They enslave millions of the muslims around the world. Iran is an islamist so called democracy, one that the United States has chosen to partner with. Pakistan is already corrupted by islamism in its democracy. So hundreds of the millions of the muslims are subjugated by it already. But yes this is a violent upheaval inside islam pulling the external world into it. We always appreciate getting your insights into this. You educate us every time you come on. Thank you so much for being on new day here in paris. Cnn is going to have continuing coverage. There are new leads in the investigation. There is a tangential story about what brought down the russian plane. Stay was. Stay with us. You cant predict the market. But through good times and bad. At t. Rowe price. Weve helped our investors stay confident for over 75 years. Call us or your advisor. T. 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