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The transcript was leaked way too early in the investigation. Reporter the leaked transcript criticized that meerkat voyeurism by fresh investigators captured the steps Andreas Lubitz took to kill all 150 on board. At 10 00 a. M. The plane takes off and he tells the captain, you didnt go to the bathroom. Go any time. It reaps cruising altitude. The captain asks him to prepare for the landing and after the check, lubitz says you can go now. Then the captain is heard getting up saying you can take over. Lubitz all alone, reprograms the auto pilot separate towards the alp, dropping around 3,000 feet a minute. Air Traffic Control tries to contact the plane but receives no answer. An alarm goes off inside the cockpit warning, sink rate. Then a loud bang on the door the captain screaming, for gods sake open the door. Passengers are also heard screaming. Five minutes before impact more bangs can be heard, metallic noisdz as if someone was trying to knock the door down. Another 90 seconds later, another warning, terrain, pull up. The captain screaming, open the damn door. Two minutes before impact lubitz can be heard breathing. 10 40 oom am investigators believe they hear the right wing scrape a mountaintop then screams once more from the 149 on board, lubitz apparently stays silent. Okay we have no way of independently verifying this newspaper report. However, the french investigator the pea has come out and voiced its dismay. It did not deny that the information diskoesed is accurate. Thank you. Meanwhile, troubling details about Andreas Lubbitz trouble with Mental Illness. We go live to discussle dorf germany. This video shows him smiling, laughing enthusiastic to be flying. This is in stashrk contrast to what we where learning two years later. He is suffering from severe depression symptoms. He has a generalized anxiety zoert disorder. They say he was taking antipsychotic medical injections. Cnn has not been able to confirm this reporting. But in addition to the psychological treatment he apparently was receiving, we have learned that he was also being treated for some sort of vision problem. Publicly officials will not comment on that. We know from the prosecutor and im standing right outside the Prosecutors Office here in discussle dorf dusseldorf. Also reportedly there were antidepressants in his apartment. Investigators have been in and out taking out boxes of evidence. They interviewed one of his exgirlfriends who said he had two different sides of his personality. On one hand he was very sweet. On the other hand he was aggressive and worry about losing his job. We hope to learn more from the prosecutor in germany. Back to you. Gosh the more we hear it seems the mystery just deepens. Thanks for all that. Absolutely. The group task to recover the victims and the debris continues. They identified at least 80 victims. Erin mcloughlin is near the crash site. Reporter alisyn recovery workers say theyve made good progress. The human remains the Prosecutor Says have been identified using dna and i say huh pan remains, Authorities Say not a single whole body from the crash site has been recovered. The plane was absolutely obliterated on impact. The wreckage strewn across hundreds of metres. Locals doubt whether they will be able to recover all of the remain these victims will be forever a part of this landscape. So the family have expressed their zrooir desire to visit the website only accessible by chopper. The local mayor says theyre in the process of building a road to this site. It will be suitable he says for foot traffic within the day, suitable for vehicles within weeks. Meanwhile, the families have been coming here to this memorial site that you see behind me currently blocked by Police Vehicles to give the families from around the world maximum privacy to be able to lay flowers and to mourn their loved ones chris. Erin so especially difficult for families in sixes like this all you want is the ability to bury your loved ones and they may not get that opportunity. Thats what investigators are saying right now. Our thoughts are with those families and that sent i. Is also whats fuelling the fascination with understanding why this happens and we can stop it from happening again. Cnn safety analyst, former faa safety inspector joins us this morning and the aviation analyst and Inspector General from the u. S. Department of aviation. Mary when we understand what is being communicated is it clear that the plane was doing what it was supposed to do, the pilot was doing what he was supposed to do and its all about the copilot fought doing what he was supposed to do is that clear now . Well that is clear. Already lots of reports the day before there was maintenance on the nose. Those things are just noise at this point. Its clearly the plane was performing exactly as it should. We know since they dialed in the descent rate it would have been a controlled descent rate and passengers would not have noticed the start of the descent. David, do we know the pilot was trying to punch in the code to get in . We dont know yet because on this airplane it may not be on the flight data recorder even if we did recover that. There is no way to know that from the cvr. Just to be clear, even if the captain had been trying to punch in that code the copilot could have defeated his efforts very easily how . All he has to do at that point once that happens is punches in the code. There for 30 seconds the combeeper is going off, during that 30 seconds when the beeper is going off he can lock that door. This is all about the copilot and what went wrong if his head and heart that led him to do this. Heres what we know. Lets put up thing gra. Its all about his condition. Alone in the dockpy. All right. You got that. Three different Psychological Conditions sought treatment for vision problem. Doctors notes excused him from work. Antidepractices ants found in his apartment. It may be more fuel to his depression. Let me ask you a provocative condition, everything going on with his treatment and what he had to say and what he didnt have to say, arent we vulnerable to the exact same event in the United States . Oh yes. Its pretty much world wide. Pilots are expected to self report problems. You have your initial physical. But at your physicals and here we have Different Levels of physical. These, of course would take the highest level, a commercial Airline Pilots get the class i to fly with a class iii exam. It can be like an hour or 90 minutes. Then they ask you questions about your psychological health. By the way, if something happens after you got your medical license, it is completely up to you to self disclose. By the way, we do drug testing in the United States of america but only for certain illegal drug so drug tests wouldnt have disclosed the psychological treatment. We have the two people in the cockpit rule. To be fair if you are this intent on getting something done somebody else may not be able to stop you. Lets put up the graphic we dont know. We dont know the exact nature of the psychological or the vision problems what antidepres ants he was on whether he was taking the medication whether the crash was premed indicated. Do you think that given the vulnerability of innocent people you should change this Self Reporting in the industry and make it something more invasive of knowing whats going on with a pilots Mental Health . Yes, i do. And there already is that mechanism, but it was not exercised in this particular accident. Fa r. , federal reg aviation regulation talks about in order to have this certificate you agree to give access to the faa, if requested, all your medical records. If requested. If requested. They have to request it. And thats the problem. How do you know to ask for it if you dont know whats going on in the first place, right, mary . Have you the hipa laws here thats the big thing. Is it time for rethinking that and rethink lack the Early Warning is and how families can help those in distressed and loved ones especially when someone has other peoples lives in their hands. Yes, it is time to rethink. We often say for some time we need to revisit this. Because there have been not a lot you can count them on fingers on a couple hands, there have been prior passenger crashes where this plane has been intention ally down. It may be as simple as requiring initial and periodic exams. If this was as severe as it appears, i think an exam would have surfaced it. Maybe. You hope so. David, final word. Yeah hipa doesnt apply here. Theyve given up that right to the faa when they get that pilots certificate. Absolutely we need to get the changed. You are right. Heres why i bring it up. If you didnt have hipa in place the doctors could be able to report directly to the employer. They are not doing that. It requires them to do that. That assumes knowledge that maybe they dont have. Why am i bringing this up when it happened in germany . The same thing can happen here. Our Health Care System doesnt have a Mental Illness reporting. We will have the discussion. Thank you very much. All right, chris. Potential dealbreaker that could doom Nuclear Talks with iran. Easterns lead negotiator says the country is not willing to ship a stockpile of atomic fuel to russia. That is a key demand of the p5 plus 1. The state department is pushing back from comments from iran. Breaking news out of florida at least eight people are dead. After a church van crashed into a canal. We are told the man drove through a stop sign before that crash. Guess what we now know the final four. A heart stopping weekend with ncaa tournament basketball. No. 1 seeded duke advancing to their 16th final four over gonzaga. They will face the 7th seed spartans that outlasted louisville in overtime basically. The other final four matchup, kentuckywisconsin. Its a big game. A lot of horse power on those teams saturday night. A clarification that picking baskets has nothing to do with basketball. Alisyn i picked on uniform color camerata and i looked a at gupta. You are two for two in our majors. I a was forced to pick savant including my husband. My beloved producer her brother picked my bracket and it is working. Heres my list you were supposed to pick it yourself. She didnt. No she admits but shes winning. What do i win . A spirited game. I did not pick theechlts. You didnt read that part. Let us know how your brackets are doing. Time is running out in the Nuclear Talks with iran as we have been telling you, there is a sudden snag with one day left to get an agreement. Are the talks on the verge of falling apart . All right. The indiana religious freedom law. Is it antigay . Indianas governor says. He insists he is not backing down. Well take you through it. You decide. 100 real milk just without the lactose. So, no discomfort . Exactly. Theres only so much enamel, and Everybody Needs to do something about it now if they want to preserve their teeth. I recommend pronamel. It helps strengthen the tooth and makes it more resistant to acid breakdown. 73 of americans try. To cook healthy meals. Yet up to 90 fall short in getting key nutrients from food alone. Lets do more. Add one a day 50 . Complete with key nutrients we may need. Plus it supports physical energy with b vitamins. One a day 50 at book club they were asking me what youre doing now, janice. Blogging. Your blog is just pictures of you in the mirror. 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Lets talk about what the New York Times is reporting today. They say at this late hour iran is reneging on a deal to ship atomic fuel out of the country to russia so it would not be acceptable any longer to iran. But iran no longer wants to do that. What do you make of this element . Well there might be some who would say they could keep the oil in iran and turn it into ra form that would be unusable. Regardless of that, i think this makes it harder. This really would be iranian conditions. I think it puts the Obama Administration and european allies in the mission. Already, it is controversial enough. If they are perceived as going backwards and accepting something they have not accepted in the past it makes politics that much harder. That is key. What our own cnn local Affairs Reporter says its different reporting than the New York Times does. She says they hadnt yet decided anything about that fuel being shipped to another country. So theyre not reneging. They hadnt gotten to that part of the negotiation yet. Either way, let me read to you what israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says about the deal yesterday, this deal as it appears to be emerging bears out all of our fear and even more than that. What do you make of where we are with this deal . You know, it is very interesting. There have been Senior Administration officials and european diplomats backgrounding other members of the press besides the new york styles i think for the past 24 hours trying to push back that story. They havent gotten to the issue of the fuel but there are many different ways to handle it and there has never been an agreement so its not an issue of iranians reneging. The issue here i think is in terms of political will particularly on the american side and here im not specifically talking about important issues sanctions really for the iranians. Im talking about president obamas real failure to articulate to the American People and to our allie, what is at stake here for the United States. Why haveing a fundamentally different relationship constructive relationship with iran is fundamentally in u. S. Interests . So far president obama has portrayed it as essentially american was are wary. We dont want to pursue a course of policy anymore because were tired. This would actually be good for the iranian, bring them back into the International Community. Thats not a sell here in the United States. Thats fought going to sell for our allies. In that atmosphere you have Prime Minister netanyahu talking about this as an extreme disaster for humanity. He has posted the Senate Republican leader the Majority Leader Mitch Mcconnell speaker of the house, Speaker Boehner to plot with republicans in congress how to stop this deal or to punish the Obama Administration as they go forward. Lets talk about what hillary said. She is saying that president obama hasnt do you know good job of selling the American People. If you hold an average american out on the street and said should iran have Nuclear Weapons, it would say. What more does the American Public need to know about the deal . The debate would the deal make it possible to get through door as Benjamin Netanyahu says would it pave the way . I agree with hillary. I dont think the Obama Administration has done a particularly good job of selling. On the other hand netanyahus efforts to destroy the deal made it a harder issue that it may make it easier for problem to keep them on board as it goes to conference. Hillary, if this deal does not happen in the next 24 hours, then what . Well it would be i think a significant problem for the United States. Our policies in the middle east are in freefall. You see us spiraling out of control in iraq syria libya now yemen. There is no way the United States can recapture its strategic position can recover from this dysfunction and incoherence in our policy without a better relationship with eastern. Then the beneficiaries are going to be russia and china, who are already making strategic inroads with iran. There is always a question about sanctions, what level of sanctions should they be from the u. S. . Should they be from the u. N. . Here is what House Speaker john boehner told our dana bash this weekend about sanctions. If there is an agreement, how quickly will you move to further sanctions against iran and the house . Very. Like days minutes . Hours . The sanctions were working. They would have never come to the table. The fact that we should have kept the sanctions in place so that we could have gotten away with the agreement, the sanctions are going to come. Theyre going to come quick. Peter, what do you think happens next . I think that the sanctions would be a disaster. Why . I think Speaker Boehner gets wrong the iranians are divide. He was elected to bring sanctions relief to improve the iranian economy. He is interested if a deal. If you make him a failure by imposing new sanction you dont make it more likely that iran comes to the table. You destroy his wing in the Iranian Regime and you strengthen those in the Iranian Regime and there are legions that dont want any deem at all. I think sanctions put us closer to the past to war. They dont create an environment where iran is going to create more concessions. Hillary, is this going to happen tomorrow . Are we going to have a deal . I think it will go down to the wire and be on u. N. Sanctions on international guarantee, the United States position here is wobbly. Thank you so much. Over to chris. All right, alisyn. Indianas governor claims his states new discrimination law is not about discrimination. A lot of corporations and other people disagree. 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We have new information about what happened in the cockpit of flight 9525. Copilot andreas lub itz is heard urging the pilot to use the bathroom t. Captain is heard slamming on the door begging the 27yearold copilot to let him back in the cook pit. Lubitz we are able to suggest is ignoring an alarm sound warning of the planes deadly descent. The crisis in yemen may soon escalate into a ground conflict. An arab League Grounds incursion could happen within days. Military footage shows arab tanks and saudis conducting strikes. The Arab Coalition says its longerterm goal to blunt irans influence in the region. City Officials Say two bodies found sunday under the blast of the building explosion are believed to be the two men missing after the blast. Recovery teams pulling the remains from manhattans village. They are investigating criminal charges the if someone tampered with closed off gasolines leading to the deadly explosions. You want a little chuckle going out the door . Dewayne johnson erected his role as barak obama on saturday night live. The scene shows him transforming into the balk obama losing his temper. Speaker john boehner. Take a look. You invite netanyahu without asking . I did, yeah. You like israel . Yes. Oh maybe you should go visit israeli. Ah [ applause ] i love dewayne. They also offered a few twist, First Lady Michelle Obama transforming into sherock obama, ripping the arms off, after being told a homeless person i have been sleeping in the white house court. Beating him with his own arm . Another nice touch. I think we found his achilles ten done. The rock. I love the rock. He passes the test. My kids love him. I love him. My wife loves him. All for very different reasons. I hope so. Good. A little more news for you here now. The governor of indiana claims that his states new religious freedom law is misunderstood. A quantitative measure will allow them to discriminate on religious grounds. That new law already triggering a massive backlash. The governor hasnt clarified yet but is adding fuel to the fire. Tell us what you are hearing on the street there. Reporter mikaela, good morning. Indiana lawmakers expected to meet in the next few hours and make themselves available to reporters to discuss what clarifying this law actually means. However, let me tell you something, the governor over the weekend not mincing words, saying that clarifying this law does not mean clearing it from the books. This is not about discrimination. Yes or no . If a florist in indiana refuses to serve a gay couple at their wedding, is that legal now in indiana . George this is where this debate has gone. Yes or no . Governor pence fueling debate over indianas freedom restoration act. Hes insisting that the bill is proreligious freedom and fought prodiscrimination doing little to quiet the firestorm. Thousands over the weekend outraged. Clang the bill reporter concerned that the law could give businesses a license to discriminate based on religious grounds. It does not apply to disputes between individuals unless Government Action is involved. Reporter this shop in lebanon makes custom products and supports it. I think it protects me from the government forcing me to do something thats against my will. Anybody is welcome in our business. Reporter still, other Business Owners against it are taking a stand. Overnight the ceo of apple firing back in his Washington Post oped. On behalf of apple, im standing up to oppose this new wave of legislation, wherever it is. This transaction is not palatable to us. Reporter with the ncaa final four days away former nba star and tnt analyst Charles Barclay said, quote, as long as antigay legislation exists in any state, i strongly believe big events should not be held in those states cities. Now, indiana is not the only state who has passed such a law. There is actually 19 other states so you are probably wondering why the outrage, why now . Why indiana at this particular time . Well several legal experts from around the country have said that this law here in indiana is broader than the others. Back to you, guys. Rosa we will be debate tag later in the program. Thanks for all that background. We are learning more about the copilot of flight 9525 and his troubled past. Doctors judged him unfit to fly that day. Should they have informed his employer . We will debate privacy vs. Safety. The reason we will debate this new law in indiana, its not new. Theyre all over the country. There was a federal one before it. There is more Energy Around it. The gant gay now. Is it fair . Indianas governor says its not fear. Heres why and you decide. People ship all kinds of things. But what if that thing is a few hundred thousand doses of flu vaccine. That need to be kept at 41 degrees. While being shipped to a country where its 90 degrees. 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Yes. You know very well what it takes the stamina it requires the training the relationships you have to have in the cockpit. If a pilot or a copilot has depression issues is that enough to say, you cant fly anymore in your estimation . No i think whats really important to understand is we are not talking about just depression here and there is a huge difference a big spectrum. A depressed pilot can fly, if its middle eastern depression. Whats important is that the flight didnter actually is monitoring this depression t. Flight monitor cant monitor something he or she doesnt know about. Thats a good points. Correct me if im wrong, it used to be pilots suffering from depression couldnt fly at all. I believe that changed 2010ish. Do you think thats hurt the cause in terms of overall welfare . I think its positive. If a pilot has minor depression and goes and gets treatment for it that pilot doesnt impose a danger most likely to the passengers. His or her ability to fly wont be compromised. It wont . No. And thats the thing i want to get at. It wont be because i think there is the fear of either retribution or the stigma affecting them will people always look at that pilot who self reported a little scam . What you said about this. There is a spectrum. You can have someone with minor depression getting treatment being careful about it. Thats just as good as any other pipe or you could have a system where pilot versus the hide their problems theyre not gotting the treatment that they need. Those pilots are probably way more soft than a pilot who fesss up the flight examiner is watching the pilot. In the United States is there any incentive to make sure this Self Reporting is done . You know what i mane you dont want to have a disincentive. Is there any incentive that is sort of helping them combat the fact that they need help and they node to get someone to assist them . Well the opening up of the cockpit people who have some minor mental issues even that is an incentive. You also have to understand this is a system based on Self Reporting, where there are so many incentives to the pilot not to self report and the problem, you know we are talking about before you guys were talking about, doctors informing the airline, the faa, a doctor who doesnt know the patient they are treating is a pilot isnt going to be able to report it. So if a pilot, in this case this guy is hiding his condition. If a pilot goes to a doctor doesnt tell the pilot, gets treatment for depression the doctor isnt going to know. Every doctors appointment i have been to they ask me. Exactly. If you are going to lie to your employer and you are going to lie to your fellow pilots you are going to lie to a doctor. Which is in itself a problem. Because if someone is you know deeply into the spectrum of some sort of Mental Health issues the Self Reporting to me is a challenge. Because are they going to be truthful . You know theyre trying to hide. Theyre trying to mask. Theyre trying to not necessarily be exposed because of the stigma we have in this country about Mental Illness. These people this guy had wanted to be a pilot his entire life. Are you going to go to a doctor and get a treatment that might knock you out . The other thing i want to talk about here is this guys, its really not just about a pilot who was working and developed a problem. This guy apparently had the problem. Right. He wasnt screened out initially at the airlines. Because i think its one thing to have a pilot who has been 20 years with the airlines suddenly develops a problem as opposed to someone who should have never been let in the door so the gatekeeping is really important. Its interesting, over the weekend, one of the parents of someone killed in the crash had said in an emotional statement to our cameras, if there was a motive or a reason we dont want to hear it. It is not relevant. He was obviously very emotional and very painful at the time. This man lost his son. I heard people criticizing the media, why are you looking into this . It doesnt matter its not relevant. But the fact is we need to change things so it doesnt happen again, whats the biggest thing . Screening. In the buffalo crash in 2009 the pilot came into the airline, didnt tell the airline about his prior failures as a pilot. And the airline didnt check. Here this guy comes in with probably some serious Mental Health issues and they really dont have a system to say, you know how are we going to make sure this guy coming into the airline isnt a homicidal maniac. Justin greene always a pleasure to have you. Thanks so much. Thank you. All right, the ceo of apple slamming the state of indiana, specifically the governor for passing or signing new religious freedom law, critics say is antigay. The governor says thats not true. Hes refusing to back down despite what is now a boycott. 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See you tomorrow, sam. Just another day at norfolk southern. Dont just visit orlando visit Tripadvisor Orlando tripadvisor not only has millions of real travelers reviews and opinions but checks hundreds of websites so people can get the best hotel prices to plan, compare and book the perfect trip visit tripadvisor. Com today is tolerance a twoway street or not . Indiana governor mike pence is all about intolerance saying he wants to make eight more Tolerant Society for people who believe in certain religious principles. During an interview on sunday he says his states new rest iraqis of the freedom law is meant to have the government from infringing on personal beliefs. Corrects arent buying it. Here to weigh in is a cnn political commentator and Senior Adviser at priorities usa action. Great to see you guys good morning. Good morning. Ken, let me start with you. If you just substitute the word black people for gay people, doesnt this all become much more clear . I mean Business Owners are not allowed to refuse service to black people. Why can they refuse service to gay people . Well boy, look i think this is a sort of misunderstood law in that sense. I havent read it in that way and inserted different words in there and tried the look at it that way. I think the main thing here is this was a bill it was a passed that was designed to allow people who believe that the government was infringing on tear religious right to have a restoration of those rights. And i think the main thing that the governor was trying to do out there was apply this compelling intrastandard for judges that were then reviewing those cases. One of the real big problems that mike men e pence has now and the moxy folks out in indiana have is this has sort of gotten out of. Theyve lost a narrative to allow the opposition groups. The opposition groups have more narrowly defined this around discrimination when i think the original intent here was to protect those that felt that their government their religious rights were being infringed upon by Government Action. Well the law was originally intended the original federal, two decades ago, the freedom restoration act to protect individuals in a private religious view. It was created, for example to allow native americans to worship in a way they want to. To allow a faithful muslim be a prison guard even if he has a beard, which was against federal regulation. Now what governor pence is moving it into the commercial realm. Indiana law covers not just people but every kind of corporation you can imagine and it will allow those corporations to assert a defense. It doesnt say you are free to discriminate. But it would allow them to assert a defense. Thats where i think it was wrong. Indiana could fix this easily bypassing a nondiscrimination law for lbgt saying we make it clear, you dont have to go in too deep. He says he will not. Right, because he wants to discriminate. Its the only straight answer he gave yesterday is no he would not allow equal Protection Laws in antitrip nation laws for transexual genders. Thats the problem. A person who passed this law back 20 years ago and you say that it was supposed to be protecting native american but president clintons words are sort of ambiguous. Let me read them to you. When he passed it there is great debate now to the question which people of faith can seek to do gods will as political actors. I would like to come down on the side to encourage everybody to act what they believe is the right thing to do. Few use his definition there, then Business Owners in indiana, you know the illustration has been used who own say a bakery cant refuse to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple. Not at all. He was talking about people. Again, if you want to wear a yamica you cant get fired for that t. Government cant fire you. If you want to grow a beard, thats a part of your religious expression. When you move into the special realm, things change. Then you cannot discriminate. That itself why we not only need to protect peoples private religious crews. Private religious views are fine. You cant act on them. I have been married for 25 years. Nobody with any sense would have supported that my wife was beautiful, gainfully employed i was 91 of the above. They werent free to discriminate against us gays and lesbians should have that right. You never made more sense than your analysis of the nuptials. You said you know hey, this is about not allowing state action to interfere with a persons belief. Heres the problem with the illegal analysis t. State action winds up becoming a law on the books that protects gaindiana, a lot of puns paelts that have local laws that protect gays the way everybody else is protected under the title 7 federal protective classes. Right. So you would see that as state action. Then that would trigger your ability to use this law to say, i dont want to treat, i dont want to do flowers for, i dont want to do whatever my business does for gays. Thats the problem. Your point . Well, i think the compelling compelling im not a lawyer. I know im on the air here with a couple of lawyers that will try and take that scenario to their advantage, but owe glow what reason . That would be state action. Chris, im just trying to explain it. Go ahead. I think the compelling interest part of it and equal protection application of the law is where most people would say that would have a, an overarching effect on how people will interpret, whether or not they will discriminate t. State has an interest a compelling interest in protecting against discrimination and, therefore, it could protect against any of that discrim napgs. One of the interesting things is while we are having the debate about its narrow application, there hasnt been any judicial decisions in any of the other 19 states or 35 states that have similar versions of the law, where there has been a discrim nation applied. Right. So i think thats, again, this is one of the real big challenges that the folks have out in indiana is trying to explain. That i think there are many legal scholars who said one of the things you need to do when you pass a law like this beyond the 1990 act passed on the federal level and beyond for example, president barak obama, he voted for a very similar bill like this. He did. Because nobody backed and anticipated, but businesses would claim that they have religious rights. Thats where hobby lobby came from. The Supreme Court decided that corporations can have a religion. They are not endowd by their creator. Back to roman times, corporations businesses have been considered persons under the law. Certainly, the Supreme Court, federal courts say the same thing. Politically, you guys are both political animals, really i think the politician is having it both ways. You are predominantly a christian community. Sometimes you get caught. And this law is an example. I think thats why governor pence is in a tough spot. Thats why he wouldnt answer georgias very simple question. Few were adviseing him, you would have said that was a sticky point. I think we have seen more of it lately as the federal government powers expanded with this president we are seeing more and more people that push and pull back and forth between what is appropriate government interference what is appropriate government overreach . Yeah. Overaction. I think we will continue to see that where people see their liberties continue to be infridge i fringed. We have to leave it there. We will continue to debate this. We will discuss this as well as on the program today. Thank you, guy, let us know what you think, is this law antigay . Is it zim natory . Tweet us at new day. Well read your comments. This is a big story for us. Its about who we are as we continue to develop. One big story. A lot of news this morning, so lets get right to it. It sounds to me as though who is flying the airplane . So inexperienced, you would not be sitting in that seat in a u. S. Carrier. It happened they heard passengers screaming, for gods sake open the door. Why was the pilot described as antipsychotic and antidepressants. In is unprecedented. Tens of thousands of arabics deployed from the ground. Simply adding Sexual Orientation as a sexual class, i will not push for that. No faith in our state. There is new day with chris cuomo, alisyn camera that and mikaela pereira. Developing this morning, there are tragic details in the tragic crash of 9525. The pilot heard on the cockpit voice recorder begging to be let back into the cockpit. The copilot Andreas Lubitz ignoring his controls as alarm sounds warning of the planes deadly descent. Now, video is emerging of him as a teenager the question remain how did he change . How did he go down this path . What was the illness . Was it Mental Illness . Because we all know the result. 149 lives taken because of what was going on with him. We have this story covered as only cnn can do it. We begin live in germany. Fred what is the latest . Reporter yeah chris, of course everybody is talking about the transcript from the cockpit voice recorder that was released by a german newspaper called the build newspaper. We have no way of verifying whether or not it is authentic. But it does give a chilling picture for the moment leading up to that awful crash. Lets have a look. Over the weekend, disturbing few details from flight 9525s mangled cockpit voice order published by german newspaper build. The cvr transcript is leaked way too early in the investigation. Reporter the leaked transcript criticized that mear voyeurism by french investigators captured the steps 27yearold Andreas Lubitz took to kill all 150 on board. Around 10 00 a. M. The plane takes off from barcelona. The captain then tells lubitz you didnt go to the bathroom if barcelona, he replies, go any time t. Plane reached 38,000 feet cruising altitude. The captain asks him to prepare for the landing. A after the check, he repeats, you can go now. Then captain is heard saying you can take over. Lubitz now alone with the door locked reprograms it to 100 feet sending the airliner straight towards the alps. Dropping around 300 feet per minute. Air Traffic Control tried to contact the plane and received no answer. An alarm goes off inside the cockpit warning, sink rate. Then a loud bang on the door the captain screaming, for gods sake open the door passengers are also heard screaming. Five minutes before impact more bangs can be heard. Metallic noises as if someone was trying to knock the door down. 90 seconds later, another alarm goes off, warning, terrain, pull umm. The captain again screams, open the damn door. Two minutes before impact the paper reports lubitz can be heard breathing. The plane now only 13,000 feet from the ground. 10 40 a. M. Investigators hear the right wing scrape a mountaintop and screams from the 149 on board. Lubitz apparently stays silent. 47 the bea the french investigating Authority Come out and said it is displaced any sort of investigation from the investigationice recorder could have been released like this. However, they did not question the quotes that came out are, in fact that chris. At this point the priority has to be in understanding what was going on the Andreas Lubitzas missed if any opportunity were there to have indeed have it prevented. We are learning more details about this copilots Mental Health illness. Lets get the latest on that. Cnns pamela brown is live in dusseldorf germany, pamela. Reporter chris, i just spoke to an official from the dusseldorfs Prosecutors Office we are learning fromrom just about an hour from now, there will be a statement from the prosecutor. That will include new information on the investigation, an official says there will be some news but quote nothing sensational. I can tell you, officials are being very tight lipped here in dusseldorf. Now, we have been talking to friends, people who knew Andreas Lubitz. We keep hearing over and over again, he always dreamed to be a pilot. Now we have this brandnew video cnn showing him in 2010 as a teenager smiling, laughing seemingly enthusiastic of being a pilot. A couple years later, citing source close to the investigation, he developed severe depressive symptoms generalized anxiety disorders. In 2010 he had antipsychotic medical injections. There were aint depressants found inside his apartment. Cn has not been able to verify but beyond the reported psychological treatments according to New York Times he also had vision problems. There were doctors notes in dusseldorf excuseing him from work on the day he crashed the plane. I did speak to the airline. They say they find it hard to believe he had vision problems. He passed his certification exam and his vision was thoroughly checked. Mikaela. So many question they piece together what happened and what led to this. Thank you so much papam la. Meanwhile the solemn task of collecting human remains and debris at the crash site continues, forensic teams say they have identified about 80 bodies. We spoke with veltives of the victims. Karl. Reporter mikaela, you know just as we analyze the manner in which these victims died we must also still try to focus on the way in which they lived as well. Thats why relatives are coming here to the memorial site. Its about 2. 5 miles as the crow flys to the crash site itself. I had a chance to speak a an iranian sports journalist Family Member he died on that flight. This is what she had to say about her brother. Hes someone killed in the flight crash will be okay because hes gone and you are your soul will go. Reporter she like many of the other relatives wanted to know what the scenery is around like there . I hiked up there a couple days ago, i told her right now spring flowers are growing the melting snow with that she looked up at the Mountain Point and says that gives me some comfort. Now i can believe that my brother is king of the alps. Back to you, alisyn. Karl dharks is sothat is so touching. Thank you for telling us about that. Lets talk about all of this with cnn aviation analyst miles obrian and ripped quest, the most requested man in business and dr. Sanjay gupta, chief medical correspondent. I want to talk about you and i were talking about watching the report. You dont like the transcript of this exchange between the pilot and the copilot have been released. Why . No because the transcript the cockpit voice recorder its in the investigation and its released at the end. Its always released. Its not as if this has got Key Information hidden away a transparency issue. We all knew what it said the prosecutors remarks last week told us every single fact. All we got was the release of the transcript was heart rendering details, which makes it much more unpleasant for the families. We done get a salient new fact. Thats the important thing to remember about this. Sanjay i want to talk to you about ba we have learned about the copilot and his Mental Health. According to reports, investigators when they went into his apartment found antidepressant medication. Sim li larry, according to other reports, he was on some psychotic drugs he had generalized anxiety disorder. In 2009 he had severe depressive symptoms. And 2010 he received Antipsychotic Medication injections. Sanjay, when you see this what does that tell you about what symptoms he miefbl experiencing . Well when you look at these medications, a lot are medications used for various illnesses. They can be used for very severitys. There is one particular medication injection that you mentioned given five years ago and he was then 22 or 23 at that time. That is a very powerful antipsychotic. It can be used for people who develop a depression that develops into a psychotic depression. Its not just depression that people start to have psychosis, which means delusions, hallucination, things like. That oftentimes if they develop extreme agitation associated with that thats when this medication is injected and again, we just know the one time it was injected back five years ago. If it was for a psychosis that was ongoing, the question is that will he continue to get treated in some way for the psychosis . It is different than the depression. Depression can be more easily treated. Its not necessarily a life long illness. Skitsz friendia or some other psychosis, those are typically life long illnesses that require ongoing treatment. I think it speaks to the severity and a little more detail on what his Mental Illness may have been. Miles, when you hear the symptoms of delusion hallucination, are pilots allowed to be on antidepressants and indiana psychotic drug . Antidepressants yes, thats relatively new,al sen. Its just been within the past couple of years the faa has come around on this that was disqualifying up until recently and as it stands right now, a pilot has to be on the anyt depressants for some period of time and evaluated before they can return to the cockpit. Now, what we are talking about here with sanjay just a moment ago, extends way beyond what it would be qualifications for flying as far as the faa is concerned. So i think, you know its just like any disease now. Theyre trying to embrace it like any other disease, you have hypertension you take a pim. You can still fly. Have you depression can you take that. As far as taking injections for antipsychotic that it would probably be disqualifying. Although i dont know the exact drug is there clearly the picture of what we were talking earlier is of a man who should not have been in the cockpit. The investigation and the inquiry and the error of the investigation must focus on how he ever got in the cockpit in the first place. Miles, help us understand is there a Self Reporting regulation whereby he should have alerted somebody and is there only Self Reporting . Because, obviously, that is not fool proof . Thats the system as it stands. You get a psychological exam when you sign up as a pilot. But as you go through your routine medical exams every six months for a first class medical with a qualified medical examiner theyll ask you, how are you feeling . Thats it. Thats the extent of the psychological evaluation. The rft is left up to pilottopilot interaction. They spends a lots of time together in a small room. Over the years, thats a check and balance. You have a low cost carrier that put a very inexperienced pilot in that seat and there was much less vetting time to get him there. He wouldnt have been flying in that seat in the United States. He would have needed twice as much time in his logbook and different certifications sort of a ph. D. Of flying. Apparently one of the possible side effects of the medication he is taking is blurred vision. Now, if he was experienced blurred vision that puts him into this untenable bind. Does he deal with blurred 56 as a pilot or stop taking the meds to get rid of the blurred vision . That is exactly right. There are side effects of these medications, some can be pretty unpleasant side effects. Its a balanced side effects with the medication. But you are right, some of these medications we are talking about are not the more routine sort of medication the he was on that its a more powerful antipsychotic. It is associated with various unpleasant side effects, one of which is blurriness of vision. By the way, when you stop taking the medication the vision does improve. To your point, alisyn that might make someone obviously in a profession like this not want to continue taking that medication. Here we have a pilot who is determined to avoid, who is determined to lie. You cannot build a system. You can do the best you can on it but you cannot build a system thats going to always cap cure this sort of pilot. Somebody who is in any profession whether it be journalism whatever it is who is determined to railroad himself through. There is no way to make a system completely immune from risks. Sanjay ripped mile well leave it there for a moment. Thanks so much. Back to chris. A big question alisyn is iran just hours away from developing a nuke . Thats the fear driving the urgency of the negotiations that are down to the wire in switzerland. Lets get the latest from cnns global correspondent live in switzerland. There were three Sticking Points. Have you new information. What is it . Reporter thats right. I met with diplomats here at the top talking about three Sticking Points. Number one what happens in the end years of this 15year deal years 11 to 15 . Iran wants to act as if nothing has happened and go back to doing whatever it wants, particularly advanced research on Nuclear Technology. The International Community wants to keep those restrictions for the duration of the deal. Number two is u. N. Security sanctions, iran lifted them right away and get out of the stigma of u. S. Sanctions, International Community is saying iran can receive some economic benefits from the unilateral u. S. And european sanctions, those u. S. Sanctions are if place because of irans misbehavior, Nuclear Technology and thats going to take a little bit of time and lastly what happens if iran violates the idea . The International Communities wants to have a snap back of sanction and iran wants those sanctions to just disappear as the deal goes on. Now, the p5 plus 1 group of pinsters met in eastern, its unclear right now whether there will be a deem t. Mood has turned a little bit ominous. Not as optimistic as they were when these talks started. But they do seem there is a real desire to get a deal here and it will be going down to the wire. Back to you, mikaela. Thanks. Syrias president Bashar Alassad says he is open to negotiations with the United States. That interview on 60 minutes he claims he has always wanted a Good Relationship with the u. S. The white house however, says any solution of the civil war has to be reached without assad in power, which assad refuses to concede. He says despite u. S. Air leads isis is gaining strength. A big oops at australias immigration department. An employee sent out personal information of World Leaders who attended last years g20 summit including president obama to the asian cup soccer tournament. Australia claims the mess up was caught almost instantly and soccer officials delete the information. Yeah im sure. A fire fighter showing how scary the job can be. Watch this. Fire captain just fell through that roof into the inferno. There you see it. 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Let me read you a quote from the Deputy Foreign minister who says the exports of stocks of enriched uranium is not in our program and we do not intend sending them abroad. What do you make of this colonel . My initial impression i read about it earlier, its a negotiating ploy. In other words, iran is trying to recoup some ground it may have lost or gain some ground period with regard to some of the more judicious issues before the group right now. There are alternatives to that also. So that is not a precludeing statement t. Alternative, of course is to dilute the enriched uranium so that it is no longer suitable for weapons production or enriching further to weapons grade. So i think its probably a negotiating ploy. The side that doesnt want a deal cut with iran they say the voice of speaker john boehner, i will squeeze them with sanctions right away. What do you think would happen if there were harsher sanctions put on iran . I think that would be a investigation of the p5 plus 1 eastern ray groemt on the joint plan of action. So if i were iran, indeed the other members of the permanent 5 plus germany, i would point a finger at the United States and say you just screwed the pooch. And the United States would be immediately isolated and wed wonder where it will go from there. This is not something that should be done within the framework after things have fallen apart, if indeed they do. That itself time to do something leak that. In terms of the deal where do you stand with sanctions . Should all sanctions, u. S. U. N. Be lifted from iran right now . No, not at all. Its always been a go in understanding of all parties that there would be sanctions relieved both u. N. City council soongs which are probably the most damaging and bilateral sanctions u. S. And multilateral as well. There would be relief of those sanctions only as agreed that iran has done what it was supposed to do over time in accordance with the final agreement. Colonel, can you relate its always been an understanding. Colonel, can you alay the fears of people that you cant trust eastern. They clearly want to do something that we dont want them to do with the centrifuges. Thats why they have so many. Thats why theyre so high end. Yes, they havent created a nuke yet by their choice as far as we can tell. But they will. So any deal you cut with them. They will find a way to that path. Thats why you cant do a deal is. What do you say . People are always saying trust but verify quoting Ronald Reagan of course. I dont think thats the case here. I dont think you trust at all. You mistrust but you verify. Thats what the essence of this deal is it is verification and the president s way over a 10 to15year period and contingent provisions and if you dont get that then you shouldnt accept a deal. So colonel, tomorrow is the deadline what do you think is going to happen in the next 24 hours . Im a little more pessimistic now after reading the reports this morning. I was saying 6040. I think probably more like 5050 now. And even if we get an agreement, lets say that im wrong that its 8020 and the 80 proves the side that wins we get an agreement. We get a political framework and then we get a Framework Agreement underneath that which will include all the Technical Details. I still think the congress of the United States is hell benefit to the derail it. I think they will derail it in the period following the agreement. The deadline is really its in there if place before action. It gives us an urgency, the media loves it. Cant they just keep negotiating if they dont get a deal by tomorrow . I think they should. What we have done here for the first time in 12to15 years, we have essentially frozen Irans Nuclear program. A major achievement. 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We are fortunate to have mr. Peter sprigs a senior fellow at the Family Research council. Thank you, sir, for taking the opportunity to discuss the because it is very important to us legally and a development of culture. So i will ask you the question that governor pence didnt want to answer. If you have a private Business Owner and they dont want to provide their service to a gay marriage or a gay couple would this law defend them . This law doesnt have anything to say about that issue. Because indianas laws on discrimination are the same today as they were before the signing of this law. This bill is all about religious liberty and specifically establishing a standard for cases in which a person argues that a Government Action infringes on their free exercise of religion. It doesnt decide the outcome of any case like that but it establishes a standard of review. The person has to demonstrate their religion is burdened and substantially burdened if only they are able to do that then the government has to demonstrate that their action is serving a compelling government purpose and uses the least restrictive means. Thats all this law says. It says nothing about discrimination or Sexual Orientation. Thats plenty. Lets unpack a couple things. The first you say its about state action. A state action would probably qualify as an ordinance for a state law or a municipal law that includes protection of guys as a protected class, which indiana has in many of its cities. So you could use this statute and say the state action is that local law that says i have to treat gays just like i do blacks and gender and all the other protective classes. So im going to use this law to defend my choice not to provide the service to a gay couple. That is true is it not . You can use it against that type of Government Action or many other types of Government Action Eminent Domain proceedings. Lets go slowly so people get it at home. You said and the governor said this law has nothing to do with two individuals. It absolutely does. Thats the example. Is your photographer the private Business Owner . I come in with my partner, another man and say i want you to take pictures at my wedding. You say. You say i will sue you, i defend with you this law the state sax the local law. My place where i live in anythat says i have to treat you as a protective class. That is true is it not . Thats a potential hypothetical use of this law. This law is not saying how that case comes out . It establishes a standard. No law says a case will come out. You are right. This you what historically the Supreme Court and federal law. We have if washington state, the amish saying we cant have an led brake light on our carriage we are against it. This is being expanded in a way that seems to me to popular mandates in indiana to pay Lou Christians to exclude gays from their life. Fair criticism . No its not a fair criticism at all. First of all, this is not been expanded. This is exactly the same standard that is found in the federal law that was signed into law by president bill clinton. There is broader. Overwhelming bipartisan majority. Broader language. This is the same standard that exists in 19 other states. I disagree with the prem este beginning of your story, we den know what will happen. We do know what will happen. Weve had these laws for 20 years. This one is broader. Its not about what has happened in the past. You designed this law for a reason. Its the exact standard the free substantial burden the compelling government interests and the least perspective means is the exact same standards. But you are expanding it to those who can use it. It is the broughtest language yesterday of who qualifies against businesses to give businesses as much leverage as possible in this situation. When you look at the foundation of this bill. There is a picture thats circulateing around of the governor as he signed it. Several of the people in the picture are outspoken critics of gay existence. Now, thats not a coincidence. Its not a coincidence, its not a coincidence why you are against this. Let me ask you, why do so many so many christians these days believe that the exercise of their faith requires exclusion and judgment of others . Why so much time spent on this . What is your compelling interests of your faith that says you cant serve gays as a business . Where is that . Some people have a sincere cons conscientious believe that marriage is between a man and a woman. 53 of americans in any root poll said i believe marriage should be defined as the yven of one man and one woman. I have a poll that says the majority of the marines say it should be legal. Here it is. When asked if they agree or disagree that government should leave all the beliefs about marriage as they live their daily lives at work and in the way they run their businesses 81 of americans believe agree with. That and so even in the context of this agreement. As we both know popularity is not the ultimate arbiter of what is right and wrong if protecting rights under the constitution. The question then goes to a why do you need this . What is it about someone being gay or someone wanting to marry someone of the same sex what is there in that that is keeping you from being the christian that you want to be . Well this is not about that broad issue. Even in the of course it is. Even in the examples you give these individuals in the wedding industry who have had these cases arise are people who are happy to serve gay customers. They have a longstanding record of serving gay customers. The only thing they object to is using their expressive abilities to communicate a message they disagree with by saying that marriage can be the union of two men or two women. But that isnt stopping them from excerciseing their faith. Theyre still able to go to chufr, theyre still able to be christians. It doesnt violate their faith . Im a christian. How does it violate my faith . It forces them to say that two men or two women can be married when they believe in their deep sincere belief its not the case. Thats a personal belief. If i said mr. Sprigs you have to go marry a man right now. Can you say no, no no thats a violation of my faith. Babe that you would be able clear this hurdle of burden. But how is wanting to judge others somehow stopping you from practicing your faith . I dont get it. Americans believe that you should have freedom to believe what you believe and to act on those beliefs and they believe that in the context of these Small Businesses in the wedding industry too. The burden placed upon these same sex couples is they go to another vendor and they get the service they is ask for. The photographers you dont want to treat everybody the same way. Then dont go into the business. Violate your belief or go out of business thats a heavier burden than to pay punishing fines imposed on them or criminal sanctions imposed upon them by the government. Thats an overwhelmingly heavier burden. We havent seen that happen either right . In there we are about to. We are on the verge of seeing it happen with a florist in washington state, a bakener orange. We are very close to that. But i know how you and your organization feels about gays. You dont like them. You find gay lives to be a choice and to be disgusting. I have you quoted saying. That i get that. Are you free to believe that. I have never said. You mischaracterized the video titled it gets better. You say life will get better. It is disgusting in the consequence. I never used disgusting in an interview. You are quoted at it its disgusting and its a part of a concerted effort to persuade kids homosexuality is okay and to recruit them into that lifestyle. Its not you. Its your organization i am talking about. You are spooking about your organization. I am not here to indict you. I get i. America protects it. But your faith as a christian is not in anyway infringed in terms of its free exercise by allowing others to express themselves. When in these narrow cases involving the wedding industry. The only ones that matter. You want to worry about the insidious implicit infrin himment of what matters most to america which is everybody getting the chance to be who they want to be. Everybody has the chance to be who they want to be. Except for apparently christians in the wedding industry. Are you not allowed to be what they want. Are they not allowed to go to church . Theyre not allowed to act what they believe. Its like 81 of americans think they should be. The overwhelming of americans believe that gay marriage is okay. I say its all irrelevant. Jesus message to you guys was, love love until it hurts and keep loving. Thats not what this is. This is exclusion, not inclusion. I dont understand how its inconsistent with your tait. This law is based on the First Amendment to the u. S. Constitution and the free exercise of religion. If you want to do away with the free exercise of religion in the First Amendment. You are welcome to amend the constitution. Thats what i dont get. Where in your faith does it say, gay, you should go after them and judge them and do war you can to isolate them . Well were here talking about this indiana bill which doesnt even talk about gays. Sure it does state action. It doesnt mention gays explicitly he could have been under the dark of night under his bed. This is about doing it and pleasing the christian population the way we see politicians often do and this time its being exposed and discussed a lot. Thats what it is. Look there are people out there who dislike christians who dont want christians to be able to exercise their beliefs. They want to be able to exercise what they believe, but they dont want us to be able to exercise what we believe, even when it imposes no burden on them and a substantial burden on the christian Business Owner. I dont think thats right. I dont think most americans think thats right. Again, we let it play out. See what happens here this is as much about culture as law. I dont get how its a burden on a christian to allow gays. To express their views they disagree with. Thats it. Do me a favor, though mr. Sprig, you did something we couldnt get anybody attached to this bill to do. You came on and i respect and appreciate that. Thank you for being on new day. We look to having you again. You reached out to the governor. You signed it. You are a leader. People talked about you as a president ial contender. Leaders go first. We saw you on abc. You didnt want to answer them there. For a complete explanation, please come on. Alisyn. Chris, something tells me you will get a reaction to that segment on social media. I believe your twitter feed will be going right now. We look forward to hearing what those comments are. There is fighting in yemen. Reports suggest that saudi arabia can carry out a Ground Invasion against the northeast. We will examine the impact next. With high hopes, but hope. Doesnt work on wrinkles. Neutrogena® rapid wrinkle repair has the fastest retinol formula. To work on fine lines and even deep wrinkles in just one week. Well, a mortgage shouldnt be a problem your credit is in pretty good shape. Pretty good . 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What we need the think positive about is we have been talking about for months now is these arab countries are starting to take control, themselves. They are looking to do this themselves and not always leaning on the u. S. To be this world wide policeman. Well lets walk through that a little more. We know that reuters emerge that these military trucks hauling trucks in saudi arabia and this ground incursion to come. Talk about the challenge thats infront of this joint Arab Coalition. Theyre strong in number. Are they well equipped . Are they ready for a ground offensive . Well the first thing, mikaela, everyone has to realize yes, maam isnt a very difficult environment to work in and to fight if in if ever need be. The world i encountered yemen, its mountainous. Its very difficult. Again, any time a force, a military force has to go into an away game as i call it its difficult. The houthi s have an advantage. Even though the saudi versus a strong military, a great air force and they bring numbers and m1 tanks and everything else. It could be a very bloody fight for saudis doing a ground search in yemen. The u. S. Is providing support logistically. They voiced their approval of these airstrikes. Do you anticipate the u. S. Will have to get involved at some point . Mikaela, i dont. I do not see the United States getting involved. I dont think we need to get involved. There are eight arab countries that have a very strong air force throughout all of them. They have been training for years. They have very dynamic aircraft that can do these things and again the saudis and the egyptians who are leading this fight both have very strong militarys. The only concern militarily on the ground side is theyre both trained very heavily in conventional armored warfare. When you go into yemen on the aspect it becomes a gorilla par fair. Interesting, yemens Prime Minister called out iran for backing the Houthi Rebels. Im curious what your sense is how much iran is backing the Houthi Rebels . You know weve seen reports everywhere from logistic humanitarian there is even the Republican Guard advisers on the ground giving them. The problem right now the iranians i believe are playing both side. Itative got to make a stand and they make a stand against one side i think there is going to be a war. You know i will tell you this no one wants to go to war. But at the end of the day in the middle east right now, it might be best for us to sit back and if the saudis and iran and these other arab countries go to war against each other, its the days of the bully that something shakes out, we might have to sit back to see what happens. It might be best for everyone even though no one wants to go to war. No one wants to go to war, it seems to be a reality. You look at this battle to combat isis and with iran backing the houthi s, it fairly complicates things not only for the u. S. But the rest of the western coalition. It does. And again, its iran putting their influence down. You know from the u. S. Perspective, though what we have to look at very strongly is weve lost an ability to conduct our counterterrorism strikes in yemen. Were still able to do them. But they have been degraded and with yemen becoming a failed state, people have said it might become a failed state. I believe its been a failed state for that gives al qaeda and other terrorist organizations that want to bring marm on us a safe haven. The shia rebels on this friction point is putting lines between the people out there, which can become a major aspect in the middle east and implode. Lieutenant always a pleasure to have you so much. Alison. We want to get back to the crash of 9525 what can be done to prevent putting hundreds of people in jeopardy. 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Is the United States and its pilot structure vulnerable in the same thing we just saw in france on the german flight . I think we have to recognize were vulnerable a number of way ways. Current laws in the United States and many states says when it comes to revealing information otherwise confidential about someone in a high risk occupation whether a pilot, railroad engineer policeman, School Bus Driver et cetera you have to have a standard of imminent danger of harm to yourself or others before someone can disclose that. That standard is even lower than that in germany, i understand. What we have to recognize is serious Mental Illness, severe depression and sever bipolar and severe schizophrenia where it can put people at harm. In this country where we are failing miserably and incarceration, homicide homeless homelessness the list goes on and on. Its not about demonizing Mental Illness. Most people are treated and live productive lives. Its this guy not treating their illness and not taking it seriously and friends and family around them know and are powerless in the United States you have a fix being resisted. What is the fix and why is it being resisted . One of the fix is in my help helping families Mental Health crisis act we have to address access to care more providers and easier access. We have to make sure theres federal laws to help us have enough beds for inpatient and enough outpatient treatment to address. We have to address Confidentiality Laws that oftentimes prevent Family Members having any idea whats going on with their close relative someone they are care caring for. It is precisely that we have to look at not Major Overhaul enough of tweaks so Family Members know there is a diminish diminished capacity a person has to even understand they have an illness and may overlook it and allow a situation for a Family Member to step in and help them. And notify people treating them and need to treat them. The push back is this. First of all, youre going to take away my rights if im someone who is sick. Youre taking away my privacy rights between me and my provider and doctor and treating me like im inferior competencewise and like im inferior. How do you overcome it . Were talking about 1 of 1 of people this would affect. A standard would be a licensed provider who already has a high ethical standard when they recognize it is clearly necessary to have treatment or else that person becomes their condition deteriorates so much they become gravely disabled a doctor may have the window to tell that identified Family Member when this persons next appointment is what medications theyre on what treatment plan they have. Were not talking about revealing all sorts of personal information. I do want that protected. When does the vote come . Im not going to start the Shame Campaign yet. I want to know when the vote is coming congressman and want to see when this happens and want to be strong following this process. When do we get this to the floor . We will be reintroduceing this bill in april. A number of cosponsors. The last was educateing a number of congress to understand what serious Mental Illness is. We have several senators and house members on board to do this and introduceing it and lookinglook g looking at something in the coming months talking at leadership we get more and more support on leadership within the committee. All right. Well stay tuned. Congressman tim murphy republican on pennsylvania. Thank you very much for being on new day. Heres the big issue it feeds into what happens during the final moments of what happens during flight 9525. These moments have been public and there have been leaks that let the information come out. Private information is finding its way into the public eye. Is that good or bad . We discuss. 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Why did this 27yearold who loved to fly seize the controls of the plane and slam into a mountain. We have news from every angle and we begin with fred live from cologne, germany. Fred. Reporter alisyn of course everything is about these new transcripts published in a german newspaper called the billed. We cant confirm their authenticity but they do paint a picture of doom inside that cockpit. Reporter over the weekend disturbing new details from flight 9525s mangled cockpit voice recorder published by german newspaper bild. It was leaked way too early in the investigation. Reporter it was criticized by mere voyeurism by french investigators captures the steps 27yearold Andreas Lubitz took to kill all 150 on board. Around 10 00 a. M. The plane takes off from barcelona and the captain tells lubitz he didnt go to the bathroom in barcelona and lubitz tells the pain go any time. And it reaches cruiseing altitude and the captain asks lubitz to check for landing and he answered you can go now and then you can take over. Lubitz now alone with the door locked reprograms the autopilot from 38,000 feet to 100 feet sending the jetliner straight toward the alps dropping around 3,000 feet a minute. Air Traffic Control tries to contact the plane but reinforce no answerreinforce receives no answer. And alarm goes off, sink rate. The captain banging on the door screaming for gods sake open the door. Passengers are also heard screaming. Five minutes before impact more bangs can be heard, metallic noises as if someone was trying to knock the door down. 90 seconds later another alarm goes off warning terrain, pull up. The captain again screams, open the damn door. Two minutes before impact the paper reports lubitz can be heard breatheing, the plane now only 13,000 feet from the ground. 10 40 a. M. Investigators believe they hear the planes right wing scrape a mountaintop then screams once more from the 149 on board and lubitz apparently stays silent. So again, it seems lubitz might have been setting the stage for his captain to leave the cockpit very very early on as we saw there from e sperpts s excerpts from that transcript. We cant guarantee its ah then tis. I the french Investigative Unit have come forward and criticized the leaking of this document and dismayed any details came to light this early in the investigation. Thanks. We are learning more about Andreas Lubitz history of Mental Illness. This as the german prosecutor releases new information about the investigation. We turn to pamela brown in dusseldorf germany. Pamela. Reporter you can see a gaggle of reporters behind me. Any minute now we are expecting to hear from te dus selhe dusseldorf prosecutor on the investigation and Andreas Lubitz background. So many questions about him and what could have led him to crash that plane. We heard from investigators last friday he had torn up doctors notes in his trash bin even on the day he crashed that plane. Authorities say he was trying to hide his illness from his employer. We still dont know exactly what that illness is. Publicly officials wont say. Accordingly, he had a history of Mental Health issues. In 2009 severe depression symptoms and in 2010 he apparently took antipsychotic medical injections according to sources close to the investigation telling this to the newspaper. Cnn has not been able to independently confirm this. We have this new video cnn obtain obtained. From 2007 a couple years before he apparently developed the depression symptoms. It shows him, as we see rights here flying his plane, laugh laughing smileing. He was a teenager in this video. Apparently at one point he said dont stress me out. Of course a very different picture there from what were learning about him, that he was seeking treatment, psychological treatment and we happy to learn more any minute from the prosecutor. Thats all for now. Thanks for that. The task of collecting human remains and debris at the crash site continues this morning. Cnns karl penhaul spoke with relatives of one of the victims. Tell us what they are shareing with you. Reporter alisyn of course its very important we analyze the nature these victims died but its important we remember the manner in which they live. By the hour relatives of the dead are coming here to the memorial site about 2 1 2 miles as the crow flies from the memorial site. I had an opportunity to speak to one person whose brother died on that site and heres what she had to tell of her big brother. He said if someone killed in the flight crash would be okay because its gone and youre in this sky and your soul would go. He had spent eight minutes reporter she, like many of the other relatives are desperate to get as close as possible to the crash site. They want to find out what its like there. I hiked up there a couple days ago and able to tell her, look right now, spring flowers are going and the melted snow is filling crystal streams. At that point, she looked up to those snowcapped peaks behind me and said at least i can find some comfort. Now, i believe my brother is king of the alps. Back to you krrks chris. Carl thats a beautiful telling of that story. Thank you for making the effort to help her. Lets try and understand what happened in this investigation. We have miles obrien, cnn aviation mary and cnn correspondent dr. Sanjay gupta. Thanks to all three of you. Mary i start with you. Youve done investigation, information leaks out. In this particular situation and why this happened and what was ignored or avoided in this treatment are you bothered by the leaks . Im always bothered by this leaks. They happen in every investigation. Id like to say it was rare but was not. I thought the investigation chief when he gave his press Conference Last Week was quite forthcoming. The investigator told us this but abstractly and the investigation tape leaked out at some point. It can be used in court although theres lots of precautions you have to take but theyre secured. Ive seen this a lot. Its not unusual. It happens in the u. S. Too. We often depend on them. I ask this as a loaded question because it was, im not worried about this leak. We need to know more. Sanjay i come to you on this level. People are treating Mental Illness and any type of depression this man may have had as if it were in a fever, comes in a flash and goes away. Can you help us understand better how depression works and different factors in your life can combine to bring you to descending into this type of mad madness. What were talking about here is not simple depression to a point. We dont know looking at the medication some pretty powerful medications, if it is true he took these as long as five years ago, he was taking a medication as an injection that is typically used for agitation associated with psychosis. Mental illness can be confuseing in terms of diagnosis and criteria can overlap one over the other and start with depression if not adequately treated, you can develop a psychotic depression which means in addition to depression you might start to have symptoms of psychosis, delusion things like that. It sounds like one of medication if he received this medication around age 22 or 23 he may have been having some of those symptoms at that time. Depression can be treated, sometimes you have an episode and gets treated and you dont really deal with it much after that. With schizophrenia or psychosis after that it was more of a lifelong thing. Was he continuing to get treated over the last five years would be a very important question chris. Also proof, sanjay something you understand very well and the rest of us are learning more and more in our culture, even if you have psychosis level depression not like youre walking with welts on your face. Miles, that takes us to the point of is it time to change at least for the u. S. How we address the Mental Illness and monitoring and need for information for people who have such sensitive position where others lives are in their hands like pilots is it time for a change . Absolutely chris. No question about it. The system was built on the honor system on trust between the pilots in management between pilots to report each other when theyre in difficulty. The system is frayed at the edge edges because of cost cutting, because of management forceing pilots to give back wages, because of a general atmosphere of acrimony between both party parties. It inhibits that layer of trust. What you have to do in those case is either come together somehow i dont think is likely given the environment in the Airline World as it is and difficulties there are, or you have to clamp down. You have to start reviewing psychology call wellical wellbeing and physical call health every pilot goes to. Mary what has the pushback youre a laur and understand the investigative and legal side. The pushback is the medical language anybody with a pilots license has seen it and you have to go in and check off various boxes and there is an infamous item 47 and they say we dont want to collect a lot of psychological or psychiatric information and ask them if they check the box and look at them and see if they can remember those events. Nowhere is there a blood test if youre taking psychiatric drugs and that would be an onus on the airlines saying youre responsible for the health and wellbeing of not only your pilots but passengers your duty to find out and check. Sanjay were making this about pilots because of this specific instance. We know it goes way beyond it in our culture. We know and republican tim murphy in pennsylvania trying to get this vote on it on the floor to allow family os have more leeway to get information about their loved ones who seem to be suffering but not taking it seriously enough. Do you think it will happen . The problem is more stigma i think than policy chris. The idea that even if you try and legislate some things the stigma still exists. That stigma lead though possibility people wont seek treatment is a real concern. It is important not to clump all Mental Illness together. Depression can be treated. The likelihood of someone who is depressed carrying out an act like this is very remote ive never heard of such a thing. With psychosis or skits nennia oftentimes can become really noticeable when its noticed. He may have been 22 or 23 when he received this injection. That is a different type of Mental Illness, if a person is having hallucination, the idea while he may have been training to be a pilot he may have had an episode like this and required a strong treatment to treat it and still allowed to continue his training and fly a plane is remarkable. I dont know how you counter that. If he was receiving a medication like that and also flying a plane, someone should have known that. I dont know how that could have completely escaped everybody. Its not the job of the crew or other pilot there. Theyre not Mental Health professionals and could not necessaryily noticed the clue must have been clues before this. Not about demonizing the mentally ill, youre right, sanjay its about demonizing those around him who may have known more at a particular time. Thank you so much. One day remains to reach a Nuclear Agreement with iran. Several hurdles still exist. Three main Sticking Points said to be in the way. For more lets bring on in our Foreign Affairs correspondent live from switzerland. Elus what we tell us what we know of the Sticking Points. Reporter i just met with a senior diplomat at the top say saying theyre blocked on three points. One is what happens in the end years of the deal . Were talking about a 15 year deal. Iran after 10 years wants to basically do whatever it wants including advance nuclear research. International Community Wants to keep a lot of restrictions in those end years of the deal. United Nations Security Council sanctions. Iran wants them lifted on day one. International Community Says iran can see some economic benefits but those u. N. Sanctions are a little bit more complicated and that will take some time. Lastly were talking about a snapback of sanctions if iran violates the deal. International Community Wants to have a mechanism if iran does not comply those sanctions get reimposed. The ministers are here theres another Sticking Point that came up this morning last nights foreign minister of irans deputy said iran would not ship out its stockpile of your rainuranium, this is in the breakout time iran would geld of a Nuclear Weapon they would have and thought iran would ship it out to russia and that would be part of the deal. Now, iran saying it would not. U. S. Officials trying to smooth this over saying there are a lot of Scientific Ways they can deal with withes. Certainly just another thing the u. S. Administration will have to explain to congress and the israelis that iran really seems to be getting everything it wants from the deal for a weak party coming to the talks they do seem to be dictating the terms. Its far from clear whether there will be a deal by the tuesday dead line. That deadline sure is loom looming. All right. Thanks for that update. Well continue to watch it at cnn. Saudi Arab Coalition airplanes continuously lithitting yemen. And in a couple of days it could increase with an arab sforz to stop the growth in the region. We are waiting to see whether he will testify. Prosecutors are trying to persuade this jury to impose the death penalty. The defense presentation to stop that is expected to last two or three days well stay on it. This just in the daily show nameing a replacement for jon stewart. The snorkts New York Times reports trevor noah a South African comedian was a contributor on the show. Only had three appearances so far. An official announcement expected today. Remember when jon stewart joined the daily show, nobody knew who he was either. Was he unknown then . I dont think as he was now. He went on to lead the show now his turn. Speaks six languages. How about that . Who does . Trevor noah. I never heard of him. An interesting point, who will he be Going Forward. Sometimes you replace an icon like this ive had my differences with mr. Stewart, thats what he is go a different direction. 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Secretary kerry has really been earning his money. Where do you think we are today, one day away from the deadline . It seems tough to imagine that theyre going to be able to meet the deadline. It seems like theres going to be an extension. Josh earnest yesterday put the pressure on the iranians said all these decisions can be made in two days thats what youre doing when youre trying to negotiate. Youre trying to force these decision decisions. Its quite possible there is an extension. This is a big one the question the New York Times raised. Its about 8,000 kilos of low enriched uranium. You need a very small amount of highly enriched uranium to make a bomb. They want to reduce centrifuges to enrich uranium, the fewer you have the longer it would take you and what do you do with this existing stockpile. The old plan was ship to it russia. The new plan because iranians are baching at this is dilute this so you essentially cant go from low enriched to high enrich enriched. Technically both are fine. The problem with the seconds one, you have to really get it right and seal it and do it in a way where even if one day the iranians throw the inspectors out, they cant go back in and turn that low enriched to high enrich enriched. Youre trying to make sure whatever you do you cant get from a civilian program to a Weapons Program fast. The naysayers will say see, you cant trust these guys. Dont do this deal. Force them into sanctions and force them into a position they do what they need to do give this up and let the inspections do. Whats the risk on doing that . We have history. Between 2003 and 2005 the europeans almost did a deal with the iranians. They were to cap the centrifuges at 164. The french and the Bush Administration played ded hard line. No more pressure well get a better deal. The iranians walked away. From 164 centrifuges they went to 20,000. Under sanction iran is an oilrich country. They make something in this range of 50 50 billion a year. A Nuclear Program isnt that expensive. While we have you here we were talking about yemen a minute ago. I know youve written and talked about this extensively. Your contention is that this is just history repeating itself. Why is that . If you look at yemen, what happened was for 33 years you had a dictator, salah, very classic, rules, secular, oh press all opposition including religious opposition which becomes more extreme and more violent and forced out in the arab spring and we promised plyourlism democracy, inclusion, pretty soon were back to another dictator. What happened is that opposition has now grown and is now the opposition to the current government. In effect its the same old pattern we saw in egypt and libya. We need to understand that part of the solution is these governments are all illegitimate all tiernies. Until you make these governments more representative you are going to have insurgencyies against them. Lets talk about your new book. Congratulations. Its called in defense of a liberal education. I believe you try to make the point if you love our history or love literature you can still study that. All sorts of people disagree nowadays and say you will make much more money if you get technical skills. Even president obama has made that case. Listen to this. I promise you folks can make a lot more potentially with skill manufacturing or the trade trades than they might with an art history degree. Is president obama wrong . Look he is talking about, you know people who might not actually end up going to a four year college and getting a bachelors. Take out history, if you will if you do it seriously and rigorously and in almost any program you have to learn two Foreign Languages and have a very strong sense of visual arts and design. You have to travel around the world and deal with on for cultures and societies. If i were to go to apple and say, would that background be of any interest to you steve jobs said the dna of apple was not Just Technology but technology married to the liberal arts. If you look at the data, yes engineers start out a little bit ahead of liberal humanityies type major majors. It evens out especially if you get an advanced degree. My basic point is you need a wellrounded education. America has always believed unlike europe or asia you dont need to be given a Technical Training on an apprenticeship you need to get a broad general education because the economy changes, your life changes, you end up with six jobs. The president of harvard said our job is not to train you for your first job but for your sixth job. I actually agree with you and think this is validation for me and my parents given my humanity humanities background. The thought is if we use the steve jobs example, you need one or two of those thus trained individuals where you need a boat load of engineers and tech savvy people to make a company like apple run. Actually no if you look at a lot of these companies, what you need is people who understand how human beings interact with technology. Were not going to be south korea, were an advanced country. Were not going to dominate the country by making computer chips. We need to figure out how do people interact with computers and other technology. Look at starbucks, you take something that used to cost 20 cents and the geisels sgeisels guy guy sells it for 7 7. Thats genius. For a big advanced Industrial Technology mostly serviced theres a lot of space for these kind of jobs. Take the world of Entertainment One of the Fastest Growing industryies in america centered around songs, design of course you have to know how to work with technology. All work today is working with technology. Dont feel like you cant follow your passion and study history or design or whatever it is. If you do it and do it well you still have to work hard you still have to understand how to work with others still have to get lucky. But thats all true even if youre an engineer. Absolutely. Generally following your passion is a good rule of thumb. Thanks for telling us about it. Speaking of passion, mounting backlash over indyianaindianas new religious freedom law. Heres the question percolateing in our efforts of people to become a more Perfect Union are these laws about exerciseing your faith or denying exercise of who someone is. The real question that needs to be asked is what is it that we can do that is impactful . What the cloud enables is computing to empower cancer researchers. It used to take two weeks to sequence and analyze a genome; with the microsoft cloud we can analyze 100 per day. Whatever i can do to help compute a cure for cancer, thats what id like to do. Here we go. The five things you need to know for your new day. Number 1, chilling details leaked to the public in the crash of 9525. The pilot heard yelling to the copilot and ignoreing calls from Traffic Controllers. Iranians saying they will not ship uranium out of their country and sanctions still remain stumbling points. Air strikes continue to pound thousandththy rebels as the crisis intensifyies and arab ground incursion could occur in a few days. Two bodies found in an explosion and learning its two men in the blast. A huge promotion for trevor noah. The South African comedian will be named the replacement for jon stewart in the New York Times. Expected to be announced sometime today. Check new day cnn. Com for the latest. The indiana controversial law, supporters say it attacks freedoms and others say learn what it does next. This is my body of proof. Proof of less joint pain. And clearer skin. This is my body of proof that i can fight Psoriatic Arthritis from the inside out. With humira. 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Whats the question . Are we moving towards being a question of religious inconclusion and exclusion . Mike pence the latest governor to pass this refrigeratorsligious freedom, there are 20 others passed. And are they thinly disguised to oppressor gays . We welcome in our contributor contributors. Margaret this is president of the Political Action knee whichcommittee which lobbyies for changes to the law which ultimately were voted down. You have a great perspective on all of this. Im really riled up on this. Tell me. What mike pence doesnt know and conservatives doesnt know the genesis of these laws started in the 1990s to protect northern American Indian tribes and it went all the way to the Supreme Court. Initially all these refrigerators free religious freedom acts were passed to protect the native americans and amish. Never intended to protect major corporations or Stock Holding entities. It says it is for individuals now and its so broad its for like the Catholic Church and anybody can claim these types of scrutiny and puts a lot of power in the hands of judges. Youre too bold on this issue so i must push you back by making it narrow politically. Where are your people . They passed this law . They dont want to come back and defend it. There is a very robust coalition of lawmakers in indiana working to push back the amendment to the constitution to define marriage between a man and a woman. Because that effort failed this i think, is seen as con so solation prize they are able to pass this religious freedom act which religious leaders see this as a way of inoculateing against what many view as the inevitable decision for same sex marriage to pass in the 13 states its not allowed now. You get a bunker mentality among social conservatives. Its really dog whistle politics. Politicians terrified to vote against this and people who say they arent christian enough and not conservative enough and dont want to be accused of bigotry. And you get the awkward stonewalling of mike pence and dont want to say theyre discriminateing against gays and lesbian lesbians. And like George Wallace said im not against this and its state right constitution. And it never works we can show that tough moment where George Stephanopoulos asked him six times yes or no yes or no does it discriminate. Here is that moment. Stand by. I will not push for that. Thats not on my agenda and thats not been an objective of the people of the state of indiana. This is a yes or no question. Is advance america right when they say a florist in indiana can refuse to serve a gay couple without fear of punishment. Let me explain to you the purpose of this bill is to empower and has been more than 20 years, george this is not speculative. This is not about discrimination about empowering people on overreach, george. Your supporters say it would. Yes or no. If a florist in indiana refuses to serve a gay couple at their wed wedding, is that legal now in indiana. George this is where this debate has gone with misinformation and frankly just a question sir, yes or no. Theres been shameless rhetoric about my state and about this law and about its intention all over the internet. The first part of the bite was governor mike pence saying he does not intend to extend protections to the Lgbt Community as a class, whey would make this law useless. Two amendments were offered during this process. One said fine pass the religious freedom restoration act. Balance it with civil rights and dont have it apply to civil rights laws. They shot that one down and then why dont you say it is the intent of the state to eliminate discrimination and refused to do that as well. For mike pence to come out and say this has nothing to do with lbgt discrimination is completely in is this a rocky road politically for governor pens . Governor pence . Yes certainly if he has political ambitions. This ends up having consequences that de Rail National ambitions. Pences blow back with be significant. That was an awkward interview and embarrassing. It wasnt georges fault, wasnt a gotcha interview, asked him a simple straight question. You can balance religious libertyies with minorityies. Texas has done it and others have done it and indiana should take a page out of their book. This is not difficult. You can weigh in and let us know what you think and go to new day or go to facebook. Com new day. And the focus after the deliberate downing of flight 9525 after the pilot reportedly hid his depression. What can be done to keep pilots out of the cockpit if theyre ruled unfit to fly. Okay, listen up im reworkin the menu. Mayo . Corn dogs . 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Mitigateing your risk of your pilot developing a psychiatric condition would involve two ways of doing this. The right way and wrong way. Whats the right way . The right way is a program we have developed here in the United States whereby a pilot tells the airline i need help. The airline say, great, ill hold your job, go get help. The faa says fantastic, these are the disasters that will do this protocol for treatment. People like myself that verify it works and theyre stable once we do that the person goes back to work. What we have done here is preventing a pilot from going underground and either becomeing increasingly des respondent and depressed or getting unapproved treatments we dont know the efficacy. Everybody wins and this is a team effort. Let me stop you there. My first issue with that is youre assumeing that a person that has a problem is going to admit they have a problem. We know how we humans are. It often is the person who has the problem is the last person willing to admit it. I would agree with you completely. That is one of the risks we have to mitigate. I would put it to you there is les of a if we offer the person a way to deal with the problem without going underground. This program is replicated on top of a couple other previous programs i had fantastic success, pilots by and large very professional very ethical safety oriented professional group, will do the right thing and come out and get the help they need. You have to offer a way to care for them and support for them. My next question is for you then maybe its because i fly and we need some comfort, was this an outlier . Was this a rare circumstance how rampant are these issues of Mental Health illnesses or disorders within the Airline Pilot community . This is an out liar no doubt. One of them is too many. Since 1997 we had five pilot suicide by aircraft accident events. The most recent one, the most concerning one was in mozambique and it was almost exactly the same as this one. Right now, there are thousands of airliners flying in the world piloted by professional crews doing an outstanding job and making this the safest estst transportation method there is. This is an outlying event and we have to do something and the way to address it is provide a way out for people who feel distress distressed. Final question for you. Heres another challenge, we may be talking about a system here in the United States. We very well know american flyer flyers will go overseas were talking about a Global Airline industry. How do we make changes globally if there isnt the same kind of recognition in other countries of Mental Health challenges . That is a very good question and one that is a concern to me because we have to have a Culture Shift in the industry and many agents of global ministry. Around the globe we have to try to pry away the stigma associated with mental disease and people get sick. Pilots are people. Pilots will get sick. That this is reality and we have to deal with it in an up front proactive manner. Youre right. It is a concern and has to be addressed at a proactive manner. Carlos porges thank you for joining us today. Thank you for having me. Chris. You are the good stuff when you do this. We have this amazing video of an ordinary guy saving a little boy in a split seconds. There he is. We will show you what happens. It gets even better. Stay with us. Ive smoked a lot and quit a lot, but ended up nowhere. Now i use this. The nicoderm cq patch, with unique extended release Technology Helps prevent the urge to smoke all day. I want this time to be my last time. Thats why i choose nicoderm cq. At cricket wireless, we think you shouldnt have to worry about adding up all the taxes and fees to your monthly bill. 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I dont feel like i did anything special. I was thankful to be there at the right time. You know what i notice he did, didnt put his hands on the kid. So nobody could see him. So nobody would think when you see an adult male with a child. He did one of these, like a goal goalee to keep the kid from Going Forward which is good think thinking. How could he have had the presence of mind to know that little boy was going two words. Daddy power. He is a father himself and he anticipates the crazy of a child. The super power. On that note we will end our show and turn it over to carol costello. Time for newsroom. I like that. Daddy power. Happening right now, news about how the germanwings pilot took down the plane as the pilot stood out side yelling open the damn door. And the final four. And indianas new law, a law critics says legalizes discrimination. Plus down to the wire. Tomorrow is the deadline for the Iranian Nuclear negotiations. Why is iran backing away . Lets talk live in the cnn