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For interrogation tactics the president himself has described as torture. Do those details warrant going back and reexamining whether people should be prosecuted . Decisions about prosecution are made by career federal prosecutors at the department of justice. The Justice Department says the federal prosecutors who looked into the program wont be launching a new investigation. Based on the report from the Senate Intelligence committees democratic chair, dianne feinstein, trial or no trial, the c. I. A. Has big names coming to its defense, from former Vice President dick cheney who blasted the report on fox news. I think its a terrible piece of work, we did exactly what needed to be done in order to catch those who were guilty on 9 11 and to prevent a further attack and we were successful on both parties. This report says its not successful. The report is full of crap. What stunned me about the report most was the fact that it was written in the way it was written. Its an unrelenting prosecutorial document. Both men say the c. I. A. Is right in asserting that harsh interrogation techniques like those shown in the film zero dark 30 prevented attacks and saved lives. But on the crucial question, the white house takes no position. Its impossible to know the accounts are factual. Its impossible to know whether or not this information could have been obtained using tactics that are consistent with the Army Field Manual or other Law Enforcement techniques. The c. I. A. Is lying. Colorado democratic senator mark udall called on the president to clean house in the c. I. A. He said an internal investigation of the program found the agency repeatedly misled congress about the brutal tactics. The president needs to purge his administration of highlevel officials who were instrumental to the development and running of this program. From director brennan, that means resigning. But the white house is saying that is not happening. White House Press Secretary josh earnest described brennan yesterday at the White House Briefing as a decorated professional and a patriot. And john brennan will have a chance to defend himself when he holds a News Conference at the c. I. A. This afternoon. Alisyn and chris . That will be interesting. Lets go over to chris. There seems to be lot of moving in circles around this. Lets zero in on the allegations and bring in bill har lowe, a former c. I. A. Director of public affairs, he was with the fartherment during the early years of the Bush Administration. Thank you for joining us this morning. The headline for you would be based on what you named your website, if the c. I. A. Saved lives, it did it despite the tactics you were using rather than because of them. Do you accept that . Not a bit, no. Thats totally wrong. The reason those lives were saved is because the c. I. A. Was able to get valuable intelligence out of a handful of very senior terrorists and get it out in a timely fashion, which allowed us to take down the Senior Leadership of al qaeda and rip it root and branch out of places where it had been festering and we were able to stop numerous potential attacks that would have harmed the homeland and our allies abroad. Understood, but the question of how you did it comes into play using what is now regarded as a set of torture tactics that may not have helped forward your cause. Is that fair criticism . No, its factually incorrect. The tactics that were used on a handful of detainees proved enormously useful. The amount of information that came from these same detainees before they were subjected to enhanced interrogation and the amount that came out of them afterwards, complete difference, enormously much more productive after the eits. These werent the type that would easily succomb to a good cop situation where you buddy up to them and we didnt have the time to wait. We didnt have the time to sit around and see if they would eventually come around. Remember what was going on at the time this was at a time when we had word that bin laden had met with Pakistani Nuclear scientists. We had richard reed lighting his shoes on fire on airlines. We had anthrax attacks in the United States while we were finding anthrax labs in afghanistan. There was a ticking time bomb. We had a handful of people we knew were involved in 9 11, we felt with great confidence, might be involved in the next attack. And we didnt have time to wait around and see what we could learn from them and we learned an enormous amount. It was exactly that motivation of desperation and perhaps haste that is the basis of criticism of the tactics now that you were acting more quickly than gently. Listen to john mccain and what he has to say about whether or not the extreme tactics produce good information, please. I do know that from any experience with this kind of treatment, that if someone is subjected to enough physical pain, that person will say whatever is necessary in order to make that pain stop. And thats why theres also a wealth of misinformation that comes out of people who are being subjected to it. Truth . The situation with Khalid Sheikh mohammed, the man who cut danny pearls head off. He was subjected to harsh interrogation for a couple of weeks, tough couple of weeks, he was in our custody for three or four years after that. And provided a wealth of information. Much of it, almost all of it was accurate information, verifiable, which helped us take down al qaeda cells across asia and elsewhere. Its a different situation, rather than someone just stopping after a second. They were providing actual intelligence for years to come, information we could check out and verify, so we knew the value of it. Its not a fair comparison to say its just like stop, ill tell you anything to get you to stop the pain. Thats not the way it worked. So basically what im taking from you is you condone the use of torture. You think its effective and theres a good reason it was on the table and used. Thats not my position at all. I condone the use of harsh interrogation. Is that another word for torture . No, its not. These techniques were approved by the u. S. Government. Does there being approved make them not torture . The stuff you were doing with the hose and the guy who died of hypothermia. Yes, the tactics that were approved were approved by the Justice Department specifically to make sure this is not torture. And the c. I. A. Went back to themnd said are you sure this is not torture and the highest level decisionmakers said yes. Dont you think one of the reasons that you kept going back to the doj is it didnt seem right to you . We have validating them, because sometimes Public Officials said things that sounded like they were backing away from it. The c. I. A. Wanted to be sure we were on solid legal ground. We would go back on our website, c. I. A. Saves lives, you can see actual documents where the c. I. A. Goes to the National Security council and asks for the department of just toys verify that were within the rights and night violating international law, u. S. Law and they would come back to us with the verifications. When they were slow to come back, we stopped the perhaps once or twice, were not going on until were sure these are legal. If you could go back again and do it the same way . Begin the same set of circumstances it would be entirely logical to do the same type of things, there were some mistakes made, some problems in the program and we should have done a better job of writing down what members of Congress Said back to us when we were briefed on it. Do you think the u. S. Should be engaged in these kind of tactics Going Forward . These kind of tactics should be used in the most extreme circumstances. If you doesnt think sitting around after 9 11 hearing there might be a Nuclear Attack on the United States, is an extreme circumstance, then you have a different definition than i do. One of the most dangerous khorasan operatives may still be alive after all. U. S. Official tell cnn a french jihadist considered a master bombmaker was likely not killed in a u. S. Air strike. He was likely hurt, but received medical attention. Lets go to Barbara Starr for more. Youll recall the Khorasan Group is the group of hardcore al qaeda operatives in syria the u. S. Has conducted several airstrikes against the group. Two u. S. Officials are telling us they believe one of the key operatives, daveed drujean did not die in an air strike several weeks ago they believe he is still alive. Based on intelligence they have been gathering. Drujean is a very serious concern as a bomb maker. He knows how to make weapons, explosives that can potentially get past airport screenings, so that is a major concern. Where is he . Is he still capable of functioning . And making those types of bombs. In addition, they now believe the leader of the Khorasan Group is still alive and has not perished in any of the months of strikes against the Khorasan Group. So even as the war against isis inside syria goes on, this unique, very dangerous group of al qaeda operatives in syria still being tarthed by the u. Targeted by the u. S. , but it looks like they havent gotten any of the top leadership. Theres more headlines, over to michaela. Security is amped up higher in the west bank as a Senior Palestinian official who died during a clash with israeli troops is laid to rest. In response, president Mahmoud Abbas has halted any communication with israel. Yes, michaela, the funeral for this minister in the Palestinian Authority has come to an end, but weve been hearing in the distance what sounds like stun grenades, theres an israeli settlement not far from here, so it a peers that clashes are under way. This autopsy has come out for his death, the autopsy was interestingly conducted by jordanian pathologists who the Palestinian Authority requested take part, as well as an israeli team and palestinians. But there seems to be disagreement over the cause of death. The palestinians are saying that it was, the result of asphyxiation caused by the fact that he inhaled too much teargas, he was pushed and shoved and grabbed by the neck by israeli soldiers, and as a result he vomited and choked on his vomit. The israeli pathologist, who arent signing the autopsy, are saying it was caused by the fact that he had a weak heart and had a heart attack caused, brought on by the stress of the physical altercation he had with the israeli troops. Michaela . Ben wedeman reporting from ramala. Back at home will government lawmakers avoid a Government Shutdown . The house gears up to vote on a 1. 1 trillion spending bill. Lawmakers from both sides of the aisle tucked in dozens of items into that legislation. Senator Elizabeth Warren is urging democrats to not back the bill unless one provision is killed. A womans body was found in the trunk of the family car. Police believe the body belongs to the boys mother, erica perez, her husband, daniel perez is now considered a person of interest in this case. The boys aunt gave a tearful plea begging daniel 0 bring them home. Dont hurt them, please, theyre innocent, dont do this please, danny, just drop the kids off. Please, youre breaking our hearts, we dont know where the kids are, they need us, they need us right now. Please bring the kids back, danny, please. Except for a fifth son who was with his grandmother. The familys honda was found last night close to their home. The nfl has a new personal conduct policy for the players, the leagues owners endorsed the new policy that takes effect immediately. Prohibited conduct that calls for independent investigations reps for the players say theyre not happy about it, had no input on the new policy. Well be hearing more about it as the Players Union say no, we didnt sign off on it. Are the players supposed to have input into the laws that bind them . I dont know about that argument. It is just one side of it. It seems that this is raising a lot of problems, well take them on later in the show. Another thing we got to talk about, theres a storm thats set to slam into Northern California. By any definition is a monster. Heavy rain, hurricaneforce winds, there are frantic emergency preparations going on across the area. Lets bring in chad myers, meteorologist, fair to say this is a classic case of too much of a good thing . No question. You want to get the drought fixed, one inch of rain at a time, not six or ten inches at a time and certainly theyll have wind gusts near the top of the villages, 120 Miles Per Hour. But the storms in the northeast still isnt done, either. The fierce noreaster still packing a wallop. The deadly storm claiming at least two lives. More than 30,000 people still without power wednesday night. We expect to be continuing to work restoring power into saturday. Residents digging out from nearly two feet of snow. On the roads, heavy snow and gusty winds made driving treacherous, causing multiple accidents, many cars stuck as police try to help. Traffic at a standstill, some 15 miles of interstate 81 shut down for several hours. This, as the west coast braces for what could be the biggest storm in five years. Heavy rains already triggering flooding in washington state. Some residents along the coast forced to evacuate. As surging waves crashing into the eroding shore leaving home after home destroyed. This is incredible. This was winddriven waves over the top of my deck. Wiped everything out. And those waves continue. Some of those waves out in the ocean up to 16 feet high crashing onshore. Back to the northeast here, were still seeing snow in buffalo, toronto, back into new york city. New york city for effect. But it could be a couple slick spots, we did see some snow totals up to about 20 inches across parts of upstate new york and vermont and a couple of feet of snow possible in the town south of the Niagara Frontier and all the way. If youre flying into San Francisco today, expect major delays as winds will gust to 50 Miles Per Hour. Planes dont like to land very quickly at 50 Miles Per Hour. They want to space those planes out. Which means your arrival rate and departure rate will be going down. You wont be getting as many planes on the ground as you would like. Flash flood watches for the coast, blizzard warnings, San Francisco could see winds to 60 or 70, it will bring trees and power lines down. 30,000 people in the northeast still without power, i expect the number to go higher than that in california. A lot going on out there. Chad myers, thanks so much. More fallout for bill cosby. A woman who says he drugged and raped her in the 1970s is trying a new strategy to hold the comedian responsible. Well explain. Its an interesting theory. Youll be surprised by it. Did you hear about this guy 12 days lost at sea. Getting word that the search for him was over. What did he do to survive in and listen to this, not only is he found, but word of the ordeal winds up creating a reunion for him, you will not believe. Turn around every now and then i get a little bit hungry and theres nothing good around turn around, barry i finally found the right snack [ female announcer ] fiber one. Wouldnt it be great if hiring plumbers, shopping online is as teasy as it gets. Carpenters and even piano tuners were just as simple . Thanks to angies list, now it is. Start shopping online from a list of toprated providers. Visit angieslist. Com today. A new lawsuit has been filed against bill cosby by one of his accusers. Tamara green says she was drugged and sexually assaulted by the comedian in the early 1970s, shes suing him, not for assault, but rather for defamation, the suit claims that cosbys public denials defamed her and branded her a liar. Her lawyer joins us from washington, d. C. Good to see you, thanks for having me today. Explain why your client is not suing bill cosby for Sexual Assault, but for defamation. Well the statute of limitations, which is the period within which can you file a claim, with respect to Sexual Assault has expired. And so the only available claim at this point is one for defamation. We are obviously on morning television, and the details of your clients alleged assault are graphic, but can you gingerly outline for us what she says happened in the 70s . Well sure. What, as outlined in the complaint, is that she was invited to lunch, and was given some pills, she as a result of being given the pills, felt woozy, unable to control herself. She was brought home by mr. Cosby, and then she maintains mr. Cosby sexually assaulted her. So what has bill cosby said publicly about this that has defamed tamara green . Well, he has said through his spokespersons, that those allegations are absolutely false. That he doesnt know tamara green. That this assault never happened in any way, shape or form. And that these are in fact discredited allegations. Let me read for our viewers what tamara green has said about bill cosby. She said he called me a wrecking ball, but never sued me for defamation. My statements against him were actionable if they were false, he didnt open that can of worms, because my statements were true. Mr. Camarata why has she waited so long to come forward with this claim of defamation in that case . It seems that that statement was given on december 5th, just recently. Frankly, she didnt know that she had available to her, this type of claim. And we advised her, this was an avenue that was appropriate to be followed and pursued. To have her day in court. To have a forum where truth can be tried, where both sides can be heard on the issue of whether or not there was a Sexual Assault. If there was, she wins, if there wasnt, mr. Cosby wins. Each side will be able to get their witnesses and their evidence and present it to a jury and a jury will decide. So in other words, he will have to testify, he will have to somehow be deposed or go public for this lawsuit . Thats, thats whats expected. Because at its core, the issue is whether or not miss green was telling the truth. If she was telling the truth, then when mr. Cosby is called, publicly branded her a liar, as the complaint maintains, then he was not telling the truth. So it needs to be squared up. And yes, the testimony of mr. Cosby is relevant to the issues of whether or not he was there, whether or not he knew tamara green, whether or not he gave her pills, whether or not he sexually assaulted her. And so those are issues that are relevant to this lawsuit. Mr. Cosbys camp through his attorney have called this false. Heres the statement theyve put out. We are very confident that we will prevail in this proceeding and pursue claims against the attorney who is filed this action. Theyre not just pursuing a claim against tamara green, theyre going after you. Well, let them bring it on. You know, let them take his best shot. I just think its the m. O. , their tactics, but weve got a case, its been filed appropriately in court. We have a forum like i said, where truth can be tried in our system of justice, we dont engage this handtohand combat on street corners. We have a battleground, the battleground is in a courtroom. And so if supposedly we did something wrong, well they can tell it to the judge and the judge will take it up. It will be very interesting to see what develops with this defamation lawsuit. Joseph camarata, thanks so much, nice to see you this morning. Lets go over to chris. Alisyn, the next story is like something out of a movie. 12 days lost at sea, no food, no water, no hope as the word came that the search was being called off. A 66yearold fisherman endured this off the coast of hawaii, how he stayed alive and a bizarre twist. How much money do you have in your pocket right now . I have 40, 21. Could something that small make an impact on something as big as your retirement . I dont think so. Well if you start putting that towards your retirement every week and let it grow over time, for twenty to thirty years, that retirement challenge might not seem so big after all. Alright, so this tylenol arthritis lasts 8 hours but aleve can last 12 hours. And aleve is proven to work better on pain than tylenol arthritis. So why am i still thinking about this . How are ya . Good. Aleve. Proven better on pain. I won this 55 inch tv for less than 30 on dealdash. Com. Visit dealdash. Com for great deals. And start bidding today 6 30 in the houston. C. I. A. Director john brennan under fire in the aftermath of the scathing Senate Report on the agencys torture tactics. Some lawmakers are demanding he step down. Brennan is going to meet with the media and answer questions about the report this afternoon. The Justice Department also weighing in, insisting there will be no new investigations or prosecutions in the case. Today black congressional staffers are planning to walk out of capitol hill in protest the eric garner and Michael Brown grand jury decisions, organizers say the demonstration is an effort to support the Ongoing National and global protests against police aggression. In the meantime, six mothers gathered in washington to share their pain from losing their sons in police shootings. The Police Officer who a new york grand jury decided not to indict in the death of eric garner told investigators he never used a chokehold, that he used a takedown technique he was taught in the academy to arrest someone who was noncomplaint. Thats what officer Daniel Pantaleo told internal investigators this week according to his attorney. Cell phone video shows him wrapping his arm around garners neck. Medical examiner ruled that death a homicide. Is the American Dream dying . A growing number of people in our country believe hard work no longer pays off. I want to show you this New York Times cbs poll. Just 64 of americans say its still possible to start out poor in this country, work hard and become rich. 33 say it is not possible any more. The highest pessimism rate in 20 years, ive decided im going to do an unofficial mp new day poll. Can you work hard and have a good life. I think you know what i mean, start poor, work hard and become rich. Lets bring it here is my. Just have a good quality of life. Yes, but i still believe you can start poor, work hard and become rich. But the great equalizer has always become education and now that tuition is so prohibitively expensive for people, thats whats making it harder to have the American Dream. Contrast, facebook, please let us know what you think. We try to incite these types of dialogues. I take the mp position, which is how she lives her own life. She works very hard, but for a purpose that makes her feel good about her hard work. A key for people, very often people work very hard these days for no good reason. I take the mp way. The quality of life. I like that. How about this one 67yearold fisherman lost at sea for near will two weeks. True story, back home. And now, his estranged son is preparing to reunite with him. The two have not spoken since the 90s, ron ingram was found alive tuesday, 12 days after his boat went missing in the pacific ocean. An amazing story of survival and now a reunion. Rescuers thought he had died at sea. But after nearly two weeks in rough seas, fisherman ron ingram is clearly alive and well enough to crack jokes. I was out of water, but i hydrated on fish, im a fisherman, so i caught fish and thats what, wasnt as good as a sushi bar, but thats how i hydrated. A true fishermans tale. On thanksgiving day he made this call for help as his 25foot sailboat was taking on water. Mayday mayday maydayment im in the middle of olenoid channel. He said current sucked his boat 200 miles away from where he was trying to go, in the waters off the Hawaiian Island of oahu. I tried all through the night, the weather came up, i couldnt make it. After four days, called off the search for the boat, they couldnt find it thats when ingrams son zachary got a call from the coast guard telling him his dad was missing. The Commanding Officer of the coast guard told me they were going to call off the search. I just, i broke down and started crying. Miraculously after 12 days at sea, a navy ship found the 67yearold and his boat. After the coast guard heard a short mayday call from ingram and his son received yet another call from the coast guard. I was thinking of an image of somebody you know, floating in the water. And i said well did you find his sailboat, too. And they said no, we found your dad and the sailboat and hes alive. I would love to be able to go see him and you know give him a big old hug. Merry christmas, pop. Sarah sidener, cnn, california. He said his dad is no tough that rambo would have a picture of his dad on the wall. He must be, he must be to survive that ordeal. Now what a nice Silver Lining of all things. Whatever it was that kept them apart for all these years just faded away when they realized they may lose each other forever. Great story. Wed love it hear from you on that story as well. Critics are calling on the head of the c. I. A. To step down over the senates blistering torture report. But c. I. A. Officials say the tactics used helped the u. S. Find an kill Osama Bin Laden. So we will talk with a former c. I. A. Agent who hunted for the notorious terrorist and try to get the answer. The Holiday Season is here, which means its time for the volkswagen signthendrive event. For practically just your signature, you could drive home for the holidays in a germanengineered volkswagen. Like the sporty, advanced new jetta. And the 2015 motor trend car of the year allnew golf. If youre wishing for a new volkswagen this season. Just about all you need is a finely tuned. Pen. Get zero due at signing, zero down, zero deposit, and zero first months payment on select new volkswagen models. Former Vice President dick cheney says the Senate Report on the u. S. Interrogation methods during the Bush Administration is quote deeply flawed and full of crap. There are growing questions this morning about how effective those enhanced interrogation methods or torture as the report called them, really were when it came to getting intelligence on Osama Bin Laden. Lets bring in retired c. I. A. Officer and author of jawbreaker gary bernson. There are so many conflicting reports about whether or not these enhanced intern gags techniques worked or whether they didnt and whether they did help to find Osama Bin Laden. What do you believe . I believe when youre questioning a terrorist, youve got to have a lot of tools. I dont support torture, but i do support something more than the Second Amendment and something more than the armys field manual for questioning people. Because what we have there really clearly doesnt cover all eventualities. In this particular case youve got to have establishing rapport with some of these people works. In other places you got to put pressure. We got terrorists when we capture, when we capture them, they tell us, when were released, were going to kill your wives and children. They tell us that, thats the attitude youve got facing these guys, some of them youre going to have to put pressure on, youre going to have to have sleep deprivation, constant questioning, youre going to have to be at them. You have to find a fine line where we dont violate the all the norms of morality. But at the same point i want to interrupt you. Do you have evidence that any of those stronger techniques youre talking about, the waterboarding, the sleep deprivation that they did in fact lead to information that got Osama Bin Laden . I havent read the specific files, because i was involved in the invasion and then i was off doing other things around the world. But from a numb of my associates that i spoke to that were involved in the program, they told me, the pressure worked. Ive spoken with some of the interrogators, i know youve got some interrogators on television who say it doesnt work. Ive spoken to some of the interrogators who had 20 years of interrogation experience in the military speak arabic and said yes, he gave us this, this, and this and it was helpful to the overall effort. They werent going to pull the trigger on an effort to capture bin laden and go across that border unless they had information from four or five different platforms, whether its interrogations, human intelligence, all of that. Because it was a big issue to cross that border. What i was told and repeatedly by people is that it, it was a contributing factor in their decision to do this and to proceed in the capture of bin laden. Let me tell what you the Senate Report says about this. As you know there was a courier who was instrumental and the thinking was, if you find this courier who is a Constant Companion to Osama Bin Laden, youll find Osama Bin Laden. There was a detainee who knew about this courier, who provided that information. Let me read to you what the report says. The c. I. A. Detainee who provided the most accurate tier 1 information linking the courier to ubl, known as Osama Bin Laden, hassan, thats the detainee ghul, provided the information prior to being subjected to the c. I. A. s enhanced interrogation techniques. Hassan ghul opened up right away and was cooperative from the outset. Gary, after that, he was stripped, he was chained to a wall for 40 minutes with his hands over his head and that didnt provide any more information. In some cases, coercive mechanisms, in others, they dont. Its a mixed bag, alisyn. But the fact is youve got to have people to have good judgment who are managing these programs, and clearly, there were mistakes that were made, but the reality is the people that were doing, that were involved in this process, didnt believe him in the beginning and moved to a second phase. Was it a mistake in that case . Maybe. But again unless the problem with the report is they didnt interview the people involved. If youre just looking at paper, maybe half of what goes on goes on paper. But if youve got a 12hour interrogation center, do you think they covered every minute . 1,000 pages per interrogation. Youve got to talk to the interrogator, the case officers and the chiefs of station that are managing these operations most closely. If you dont interview those, its not a complete picture. Gary, i want to ask you about Khalid Sheikh mohammed. There are other reports that say that the enhanced interrogation techniques or torture as some people call them actually only produces faulty and fabricated information. So here is what the report says about Khalid Sheikh mohammed. It says that the interrogators first began threatening ksms children. On march 9th, 2003, ksm fabricated information, indicating that jaf ar altayyar and jose padilla were planning something because he explained he felt some pressure 0 to produce information about the operations in the United States in the initial phases of the interrogation. He admits he was fabricating information because he was subjected to some of these tactics. The report was written by a group of people that had a political agenda. It wasnt balanced in its writing and they didnt interview everybody. Its, yeah, can you read the report all day long and i think that its, think the report is a hit job on the agency. And i think that it could have been more balanced, there could have been more balance in its writing. They should have interviewed the people. Based on the report, the agency looks like every single line looks like incompetence, brutality and it looks like the program is worth nothing at all. I refuse to believe that understanding that throughout the work of my career, during 20 years, i saw a foreign governments using terror against some of our sources and breaking some of them at times. Ive seen governments that were friendly to the United States using coercive methods and getting information that was useful and allowed the capture of people that saved american lives. Its a mixed bag. You need to have really smart people managing these programs, good common sense in this and if youve got information to provide openly, youve got to be able to check that information very, very quickly. Gary, always great to talk to you, we appreciate your perspective and we appreciate your service to this country, thanks so much for coming on new day. Great pleasure. Over to chris. In the wake of ray rice and Adrian Peterson in the nfl, the owners approved a revised personal conduct policy. What is it and does it address the problems the right way . Well take a closer look. 3rd and 3. 58 seconds on the clock, what am i thinking about . Foreign markets. Asian debt that recognizes the shift in the global economy. You know, the kind that capitalizes on diversity across the credit spectrum and gets exposure to frontier and emerging markets. If you convert 4quarter p e of the s p 500, its yield is doing a lot better. 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Its out there somewhere spreading the word about americas favorite potatoes heart healthy idaho potatoes and the american heart associations go red for women campaign. If you see it i hope youll let us know. Always look for the grown in idaho seal. The vast majority of our players are great men, theyre great sons, theyre great husbands. Theyre great fathers. We have nearly 3,000 players in any given year. Were going to have people make mistakes. We want to make sure that we do everything to prevent that from happening. What do you do when it does happen . That was nfl commissioner roger goodell. Addressing questions about the nfls new personal conduct policy. After saying with the early cases weve heard about, he blew it, especially the ray rice case. What about the new policy . Is it enough . Lets bring in people, cnn commentator and legal analyst mel robbins and former president of the Nfl Players Association, george martin. Jork giant. Wished he was a jet. Goodell admits he blew it and then says i met with bratton about the right thing to do. Were going to deal with the machine, lets deal with the man first, did he say the right things . Is he in the right position now . Good morning, guys, and i laugh that you just had to get that jab in there, chris. He did say the right thing. He did say the right thing, chris. I think its important that he admit his mistakes and ive got a lot to say about the policy. But in terms of about how goodell is now handling the press conference, hes doing it a decent job. All right, so lets put up what this new policy is. Its very unusual. I spoke to a Management Consultant who said we would never storyboard our thinking this way. This is the statement from the union. Theyre saying theyre upset because they werent consulted about what this policy is, they were just given a professional courtesy to review it before it hit the press. I also want to put up what the policy is. George, let me ask you about the statement that we just had up. The unions carping, they should have consulted with us, should they have . Absolutely. Without question. I dont think that you can implement a unilateral policy thats going to be as farreaching as this is, without consulting the people who are going to be impacted and that is the Nfl Players Association. I think the fact that they left morris smith out and he did not have an opportunity to give input was a serious flaw on the part of goodell. The presumption is that the union would want less, right . They would want to sew their players not be punished as much for things like this. Maybe thats why they were excluded from the dialogue. Thats an assumption that could be true or false, you run the risk if he does get it wrong a second time youre going to incur the wrath of not only the Nfl Players Association, but the general public once again. Put the policy back up there again, mel. The reason i want it back up there is this Management Consultant said to me, this flow chart heres the problem. It shows theyre going to have this procedure they follow but he believes that its an example of how theyre not set up to do this. That theyre not set up to investigate potential crimes, theyre not set up to punish this type of behavior and its flawed in its premise, what do you think . Its an excellent question and i agree 100 . Listening to what george had to say, i think what the union wants is clarity. What i found interesting about this flow chart is that it illustrates two things, first, these cases are complicated, particularly when you have a parallel criminal proceeding. And secondly, i was stunned, chris, by the fact that theres not a lot thats changed. Theres no mandatory suspension, theres a lot of words like could may do this. As a player i would be feeling a little worried. Because im not exactly sure what the nfl will do. If somebody gets arrested tonight, chris and charged with domestic violence, do we know exactly whats going to happen . No. Theres also this gray area about things they find out that the police dont find out this is, this is, this is a tough situation, george. Whats the league supposed to do . You could say the policy should be this. If i hear something bad about george martin, youre out until we figure it out. Thats not going to stand with the union, will it . No, youre right. What the policy does is create a doublejeopardy because its in some cases circumvents the criminal justice system, number one and it also kind of gives you the presumption of guilt as opposed to presumption of inspects, why should an athlete be charged with something and then later proven innocent of it and hes already been penalized by the league . I think thats a serious faux pas on their part. If you hit your wife, your girlfriend, okay, and we have reason to believe it happened, the six games. You think thats enough in terms of what this league wants to project about who the men are who put on the helmets . Far be it for me to talk about whats right and wrong in terms of Domestic Abuse. I think there are greater minds should come together and talk about this collectively. I think you should have input from the Nfl Players Association as well as the league and you should have the professionals from the Domestic Abuse society to help craft this policy because it is so important. Mel, at the end of the day, if you get jammed up rightly for hitting your spouse or your child, the penalty is six games. What do you think of that . It should be. I think it should be and i think it should be really black and white and the nfl shouldnt be the ones investigating this thing. Is six games enough . Yes, i think six games is enough to get the process started. But what im concerned about is this you got ray mcdonald of the 49ers arrested in august, accused of assaulting his 10week pregnant fiancee. The d. A. Didnt dismiss the case, they made a Public Statement that they couldnt prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt. Why . Because his fiancee is now not cooperating, these cases are complicated. Ray mcdonald did not sit out a single game. He should have sat out for six games. I personally believe thaw make the policy very simple by saying at the moment of arrest, youre out for six games. You still get paid, but the nfl, chris, should not be in the business of being like oh, he choked her, thats two more games, oh, he a gun, thats another four games, he only slapped her . Thats two games, thats ridiculous, it needs to be a clear policy and end of story. A lot of people are arguing, mel, that if you actually do Something Like that, the fact that you stay in the league is odd to begin with were going to have to see how this plays out. Because theyre still figuring it out. They have problems with their union. Lets see what the next phase is, mel robbins, george martin, thanks so much. The biggest factor in this is how you feel about it. This is your league, right . They make their money off your desire to watch and accept the players in the game. Ha do you think . Go to facebook, you do facebook. Com newday and let us know. This is one of the stories were following. Theres a lot of news this morning, lets get to it. If another country files an arrest warrant for a u. S. Official, the Justice Department would not enforce it. I think its a terrible piece of work. This report says it was not successful. The report is full of crap. This issue is not about them, its about us. The c. I. A. Is lying. We will do whatever it takes to get him to talk. One of the most wanted terrorists in the world. Officials say every reason to believe he is still alive. The leader of the group also still alive. Bill cosby is now facing a new lawsuit. She has filed a lawsuit attempting to restore her good name and reputation. Good morning, everyone, welcome back to new day, im Alisyn Camerota with chris cuomo. The Justice Department will not take action in the aftermath of the senates bombshell c. I. A. Torture report they say. But the question is, will the white house . The head of the c. I. A. , john brennan, is certainly coming under fire. Some lawmakers are calling him a liar, demanding his resignation. Brennan not backing down, agreeing to meet with the media and take questions about the agencys tactics, well cover it lets get to the white house and see what their posture is. We have our senior correspondent, jim acosta. Good morning, chris. Thats right. The white house is steering clear this morning of the two Big Questions coming out of the report should c. I. A. Officials be prosecuted for the harsh interrogations . And did those interrogations even work . The white house just wont say. With the debate raging over the fallout of the torture report, the white house is staying on the sidelines. Press secretary josh earnest refused to weigh in on whether c. I. A. Officials should be tried for interrogation tactics the president himself has described as torture. Do those details warrant going back and reexamining whether people should be prosecuted . Decisions about prosecution are made by career federal prosecutors at the department of justice. The Justice Department says the federal prosecutors who looked into the program wont be launching a new investigation based on the report from the Senate Intelligence committees chair, dianne feinstein. Trial or no trial, the c. I. A. Has some big names coming to its defense from former Vice President dick cheney, who blasted the report on fox news. I think its a terrible piece of work. We did exactly what needed to be done in order to catch those who were guilty on 9 11 and to prevent a further attack and we were successful on both parts. This report says it was not successful. The report is full of crap. To the agencys former director, michael hayden. What stunned me about the report most was the fact that it was written in the way it was written. Its an unrelenting prosecutorial document. Both men say the c. I. A. Is right in asserting that harsh interrogation techniques like those shown in the film zero dark 30 actually prevented attacks and saved lives. But on the crucial question, the white house takes no position. It is impossible to know the account is factual. Its impossible to know whether or not the information could have been obtained using tactics that are consistent with the Army Field Manual or other Law Enforcement techniques. The c. I. A. Is lying. Colorado democratic senator mark udall called on the president to clean house at the c. I. A. Udall said an internal review of the Interrogation Program conducted by former c. I. A. Director, leon panetta found the agency repeatedly misled congress about the brutal tactics. The president needs to purge his administration of highlevel officials who are instrumental to the development and running of this program. For director brennan, that means resigning. But that is not happening. At least any time soon. The white house says the president has confidence in john brennan and the c. I. A. Director will have a chance to defend himself when he holds a News Conference later this afternoon. It is interesting that a document that was supposed to end the discussion has done nothing but begin one. Alisyn . Thanks so much. Lets bring in now colonel steven kleinman, a former Senior Intelligence officer at the air force, he has researched interrogation for decades and appears in a campaign for human rights first, thats an Advocacy Group highlighting human rights failures in the u. S. Government and private companies. Great to see you this morning. Thank you for having me. As you know, theres a huge debate in this country, this morning about whether or not the socalled enhanced interrogation tactics actually did work on getting actionable information out of these detainees or whether or not they actually clammed up as a result of what some people call torture. Where do you fall on this . Well i think first of all, the report clearly lays out the systemic use of torture by any standard and then the question we have to ask ourselves beyond the moral dilemma, which i think we should be struggling with and beyond the legal argument. Which i dont have standing to engage on, is whether or not its operationally effective. Is it a reliable means of collecting useful information. Accurate, timely and comprehensive. And i think the body of behavior scientist literature that would relate to for example cognitive functions would suggest no. I mean an interrogators primary goal is to win the access to somebodys virtual memory. All the information we want resides in human memory, thats very fragile. And colonel kleinman, you have studied this for decades, and the alternatives that you suggest, that you say work better than any sort of brutality or enhanced interrogation methods are fascinating. I want to run through some of these that you say work much better. Weve put together a list. Number one, you say give a gift. You think you could give a gift to Khalid Sheikh mohammed and he would open up and tell you information . Well, let me phrase it in proper terms. Give a gift is just an example of reciprocity. Theres an adapt i have been and Learned Behavior that goes back to our evolutionary legacy, its just we when we receive something of any value, theres a very, very deeply driven need, requirement to give Something Back and it happens over and over again. And in all sorts of settings. And certainly its demonstrated itself in the interrogation setting as well. I dont mean to belittle or certainly to simplify it to say you give a gift and Khalid Sheikh mohammed will provide the answers that were seeking. But its a way of reaching out and creating a bridge. It was fascinating, you say its in our dna. If you provide one of these detainees, youve seen evidence if you give them a cup of tea, if you give them a blanket. If theyre cold, suddenly they feel obligated to give you something. Is that what you mean by build a bridge . Yeah. Exactly. Its part of a developing a relationship. Beyond rapport. There could be a situation where the detainee literally hates the interrogator. Hates being there. But they make a rational calculus that answering questions is more in their interest or not. Not because theyre threatened. But because of the way the opportunities are presented. And reciprocity, theres six fundamental principles of persuasion, based on dr. Robert chaldinis work, which drives a multibilliondollar Advertising Industry and to say that its not applicable in the Interrogation Room is inconsistent with the Behavioral Science Research weve done in the last ten years. Another thing you recommend is use scarcity on them. What does that mean . Absolutely. When anything is seen as viewed as in limited quantity, we place greater value on it. Whether its water during a drought or food during a famine and opportunities to, to gain something by providing information can be presented in a way thats very limited. For instance were talking to three people and the first person that is helpful to us, will receive something of release, a better treatment, you know, moving out of the detention facility to some other facility. So you can present it that way, construct it in a way that becomes very, very appealing. One of the most fascinating that you write about, being an effective tactic is, it flies in the face of everything that enhanced interrogation techniques stand for. Its avoid humiliation. How does avoiding humiliation work better than using humiliation. If you think about the evolution, if you will of extremism, and i took part in a multinational, multiyear study looking at precisely that. Somebody could choose the path of extremism. You look at lawrence wrooitds book, looming tower and the selfreports of thousands young extremists is at the bottom. The lack of opportunity to get a job. Extremist group comes along, gives them an opportunity to be part of something much bigger than themselves. Humiliation drove them. Why would we think that humiliation would in turn cause them to cooperate with somebody that they see as the enemy . The Army Field Manual technique known as pride and ego down is a perfect example of an unsubstantiated approach that is probably counterproductive. And in fact we know from the Senate Report that Khalid Sheikh mohammed at least according to the report, that once he was stripped, and waterboarded and shaved, he clammed up and stopped cooperating, thats what the Senate Report says. Colonel steve kleinman, youve given us a lot of food for thought this morning, thanks so much for coming on new day. Thank you for having me. We have news on a story that explains how we got into this situation with torture in the first place, a terrorist who pose as huge threat to america may still be alive. At first it was believed a master bomb maker for khorasan died in the u. S. Air strike. But cnn has now learned he likely survived. Lets get to our pentagon correspondent, Barbara Starr for more. Do we trust the information now . Chris, good morning, the information is as good as it gets right now. But nothing is exactly clear. Two u. S. Officials tell me they now believe that David Drugeon, a french bomb maker for the Khorasan Group did survive some previous u. S. Airstrikes, they had thought he was dead. They never had a dead body, they never had a photograph of a dead body. These are intelligence assessments, if you will. Based on additional intelligence, thats been collected, monitoring of communications, talking to sources, they now believe over the last several weeks that theyve come to the conclusion drugeon did survive. Still dont have a dead body or a photograph of a dead body. They believe hes alive and why is this of such concern . This french bomb maker for the Khorasan Group in syria is knows how to make the types of bombs that can potentially get past airport screening. So that is a huge worry. The Khorasan Groups leader, another man, muhsin al fadli, also believed he is still alive. So even as the war against isis goes on inside syria, prosecuted by the u. S. And the coalition. This group of al qaeda operatishes inside syria, known as the Khorasan Group, it now looks like their top leadership remains alive and very dangerous. Chris . Its just a nod to how difficult any gains will in this war thats being fought right now, Barbara Starr, thank you very much for updating the report. A lot of news, in the headlines, lets get to michaela. Senators from both parties going to push for authorization of military force against isis terrorists, senator rand paul is leading calls for the u. S. To declare war against the terror group. Insisting that the conflict is illegal. While democrats are backing measures that would authorize the use of force. All the measures restrict the use of combat troops. Major developments for you out of hong kong. Police arresting dozens of pro democracy protesters, clearing away tents from what was their main demonstration site. Many protesters had staged a sitin, chanting i want true universal suffrage those who left of their own accord filed out peacefully through a Police Checkpoint and were asked to present i. D. For possible future legal action. Bad situation on the streets of manhattan last night. Six people hit by a car that jumped a curb in new yorks packed herald square. All the victims suffered serious injuries, they are expected to survive. The woman who was driving the car has also been hospitalized, she has been arrested and is now facing d. U. I. Charges. Funny man David Letterman has announced the day that he will step down from his late night gig. May 20th, 2015. The comedian surprised everyone last april, including cbs when he announced he was going to retire in 2015. He is the longesttenured late night talk show host. More than 32 years under his belt. Hes being replaced by stephen colbert. Cant wait to see how that transition is going to go. And deadline. Com did a little number for us. He will have hosted 6,028 episodes of late night and the late show. Thats incredible. Influential, such a part of our, you know, consciousness and our society and culture. So influential. Night after night doing that. In a business of impermanence. He found a way to stick it out, despite his only personal journey along the way. Do you think colbert will do well . I dont know what to expect. I dont know who he is, other than his fake persona, what we see on the colbert show. How about you . What about me . I thought your hmmm suggested a thought. Its proof of how interesting i find your two takes. Is that what that is . I dont need to have my opinion, you two are more than enough. The senates report on torture found that brutal interrogation methods do not gather effective intelligence or they say they also did not lead to Osama Bin Laden. Does that mean that harsh interrogation methods dont ever work . Well ask a former covert Operations Officer at the c. I. A. 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Look, you dont have to put in your credit card information. Whew credit karma. Really free credit scores. A lot of confusion surrounding this torture report. Did people torture. The reality seems clear. What is not as clear is whether or not what we did works, and whether or not the country is going to be more or less safe now as a result. At a minimum, two opposite views on this. Lets get perspective. Tom fuentes, cnn Law Enforcement analyst and former fbi assistant director and mike baker, former c. I. A. Covert Operations Officer and president of diligence llc, a Global Intelligence forum. Torture, tom fuentes, is as old a concept as violence itself. The assumption is it works and thats why it exists. You say that assumption is flawed, why . Well i think, chris, that it works in a limited situation. But for the most part, the other techniques, actually work better. And i think the onetime torture to me would be you know, where its justified to some extent is the ticking bomb, the nuclear bomb is about to go off in five minutes in manhattan and kill five Million People and you dont have time to use some of the other techniques, which actually are more effective. But may take a little more time. Mike how much of this is just leftie Wishful Thinking in a peaceful world, versus what happened in these interrogations, what worked and what didnt. Theres no doubt theres part of that Wishful Thinking that you know, all these years on from 9 11, it would be great to rewrite history in the way we felt at that time. Mr. Fuentes is right in that a sense, think were on the same sheet of music. Thats part of the problem of the whole debate. Its been the problem for years now, weve been debating and talking and viewing the rendition and Interrogation Program, it tends to get oversimplified. Youre either talking to the detainee or its torture. Or its not the totality of the program. What i mean by that is yes, talking, developing a relationship is very, very important. And is done in the vast majority of cases over the years. But to have in your kit bag other techniques, potentially to use, its not as if they never work. Or they always work. Nobody is saying that. But what theyre Say Something youve got to take into consideration the totality of a program like this. Rather than just saying its all this or its all that. Put up the full screen for us, guys. Some of the plots that the c. I. A. Claimed to have disrupted as a result of these enhanced interrogation techniques, were assessed by intelligence and Law Enforcement officials as being infeasible or ideas that were never operationalized. Mike, what that goes to is one, the c. I. A. Was being deceptive in telling us what worked and what didnt. One point theyre making with the statement in the report. The second is, by the way, what they say was good, was actually information people just said. Because they were in incredible pain, not because they wanted to be accurate. Do you accept either of those findings . No, no, i dont accept the notion, so i mean its important to get that out. Im in the camp that says this is a flawed report, i would have liked to have seen more of an investigative effort. By that i would have liked to see more effort put in by saying we troll tlood awe lot of the shared information and now lets sit down with the people involved from the program, agency, and pursue these and say look weve got a document here about abu zubaydah, or bin ail machine, wh al shooeb. Thats one of the things missing from this massive report. Tom, the other side of this is they say we didnt do it because we had the documents, we didnt need to deal with people we think might be deceptive for us, do you think that was a legitimate basis for not doing the i the interviews . No, i think the interviews would have been necessary to do a complete investigation. But i think the fact that weve had a lot of politics involved in this from the beginning. Including the president , when he was standing in the u. S. Senate he was solely against the torture program and people should be held accountable. But the old adage, its not where you stand on an issue, its where you sit. So that was fine when he stood in the senate. When he sits in the white house, he changed that position and now you have even to this day, the department of justice not pursuing whether theyre going to prosecute people that admittedly did this program. There is, theres been some misinformation this actually is a violation of a United States statute, the torture statute. Passed in 1994. Title 18, United States cold, section 2340, can call for as much as the Death Penalty if someone from the u. S. Causes the death or severe bodily harm to another individual so when you hear the story about the person freezing to death, being shackled to the floor. That certainly would rise up to possibly a Death Penalty case. One of the things that doesnt pass the smell test here is that definition of torture is not confusing, you dont have to be a lawyer to know that severe physical injury, severe mental injury is well within the definition of so much of what is detailed in this report and yet you get all of these c. I. A. Types saying yeah, it wasnt torture. They told us it wasnt torture. I dont care what they told you. Dont you think you guys should have known that what you were doing was torture by any other name . The description of all of these things with the hose alone. I know pornography when i see it, right . Youre diving into a very subjective realm. At the end of the day it was subject to legal review. That part of it also is not in question. And this has always been at the crux of this is that you know okay our sensory deprivation, is waterboarding, where is there a line . And weve reviewed these techniques, we put our own personnel through these techniques, does that constitute torture . A lot of people think it doesnt. But nobody believes that you did to each other what you did to these detainees. Nobody is going do believe that when you say we tried it out on ourselves. Come on, you didnt do it, you wouldnt do it to your brother the way youre going to do it to these other people. Of course not. But none of us are planning to fly planes into a building. Kill thousands of people or behead individuals on videotape and blast it around the world. That goes to vengeance, but not effectiveness, that goes towards the anger you feel towards them. It goes to what youre charged with, which is saving lives of citizens and our allies. Thats what it goes to, it goes to preventing further attacks, it goes to gathering information in a program that youre developing or working on and is it perfect . Absolutely not, its not perfect. But lets not pretend that people are doing this in some rogue effort to blow their skirt up. And that is the main crux of the pushback right now that people have do assess is are they having hindsight 20 20 in this report about things that were condoned all along by members in our government. Mike baker, thank you for spelling it out and tom fuentes, we appreciate the balance as always. Fascinating conversation, chris. When it comes to big money and politics theres one potential 2016 candidate who the wealthiest donors say they are ready to support. It may not be who you think. John king will explain. And one of bill cosbys accusers is suing him for defamation. Fighting back for being branded a liar. Does she have a case . Well ask cnn analyst mark geregos. Thanks. 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He was angry at the oscar winner after she reportedly tried to poach director David Fincher, you know we got to discuss this. Brian stelter will join us to discuss. Youre in the going do stand for letting someone insult Angelina Jolie. Dont project on to me your fascination with a particular person. Yeah, thats actually me that im talking about. I cant wait for that discussion. We have to get to inside politics with john king. Hi, john. Alisyn, chris, michaela, good morning to you. This is the day the government is supposed to run out of money. Will the Congress Keep the government up and running . Lets go inside application with me to share reporting and insight, the atlantics molly ball and tamara keith. From npr. This is the deadline for the budget. Conservatives are angry, they say the republicans just won an election in which they said were against the president s priorities, especially on the imdepression executive action. Red state conservative saying its unconstitutional what the president does. They swore an oath to uphold, protect and defend the constitution, theyll be violating their oath. So the grassroots conservative base is mad. But this is going to pass, right . It seems entirely likely and if it doesnt pass it wont be because of the republicans, it will be because of the democrats. The congressional republicans, House Republicans somewhere in the neighborhood of maybe 70, 80 of them are going to peel off and not vote for it 30 of them would have never voted for it, no mat weather it did. Democrats are upset, too, though. They dont like provisions that were tucked in about campaign finance, the doddfrank consumer the financial reforms that were, are being pulled back. So theres something for everybody to hate in this. But it seems like theyre right up against this deadline and theyre going to find a way to cobble together the votes. So i guess to that point if theres somebody for everybody to hate. Is there enough for everybody to like to get it through . Is that the idea . Depending on how you look at it, this is either the definition of compromise, something for both sides to hate, or its one of these you know, washington typical goodyfilled bills on things that have nothing to do with the actual proximate goal which is to get the government funded and thats the kind of thing that everybody hates about washington is every senator and representative gets to throw their little thing into the bill as it gallops across the deadline and nobody can muster the will to object because weve got to get the government funded. But the leadership does believe they will be able to cobble together the votes as tamara said, some republicans will peel off. Nancy pelosi is opposed to the bill because of the provisions that tamara mentioned. But she is not whipping actively against it its expected enough democrats will fill the gap that it will get majority in the house. Enough democrats think i dont like this, i dont like this, but we have to keep the government up and running. You mentioned doddfrank was the big financial reform bill passed after the financial collapse in 2008. Set new rules on banks, supposed to protect the little guy, put the banks under more of a watchdog status, nancy pelosi doesnt like the proposed changes to that neither does Elizabeth Warren. Who took to the floor of the house of representatives, listen to her say no way. The house of representatives is about to show us the worst of government for the rich and powerful. The house is about to vote on a budget deal. A deal negotiated behind closed doors, that slips in a provision that would let derivatives traders on wall street gamble with taxpayer money and get bailed out by the government when their risky bets threat ton blow up our financial system. These are the same banks that nearly broke the economy in 2008 and destroyed millions of jobs. Shes obviously a rising star in the Democratic Caucus in the senate. Some liberal groups are begging, pushing, pleading for her to run for president on the democratic side in that sound bite is a little bit of everything. That behind closed doors, deal that helps the rich bankers, screws the little guy. Powerful speech. But not enough to stop this . Well shes very good at that populism thing. And shes sort of pulling a ted cruz here. Shes stand oefrg in the senate and telling the house, stop this thing, dont do it. The reality is that her colleagues in the senate actually negotiated this. And so, she can stand on principle, but it looks to be pretty hard to stop. Youve had a lot of liberal groups raising money off Elizabeth Warren with these polls. You know should Elizabeth Warren run for president , move on says its going to spend 1 million to draft her to run for president , theyre hoping to raise more than 1 million, theyre supposed to get their money back by having it out there and pushing it around. Is there any reason to believe that because something she objects to profoundly is about to happen, that she would change her thinking . The problem with the Elizabeth Warren caucus is its too small. Whether youre talking about in the senate, in the house, or in the base of the democratic party, in real polls, Elizabeth Warren is not getting anywhere near the support that Hillary Clinton is even among the liberal wing of the democratic party, where hillary tends to do very well. So i have yet to see any reason to believe that the, that the warren percentage is more than a minority at this point. Its just a very loud vocal and angry minority. Another thing tucked into the spending bill, the goal is to keep the government up and running, but because the train is likely to make it to the president s desk and hell sign it everybody wants to attach their caboose to it. Under current law individual donations in a campaign are capped at 32,400 a year. The new cap . 777,600. Thats an adjustment more for inflation, i would say or if you look at it over a twoyear election cycle, you can currently give about 1. 5 million as an individual. As a couple, im sorry, your cap, you would be able to give 1. 5 million in a twoyear election cycle. A couple could give more than 3 million. So more money into a political system that a lot of people complain has too much money. Yes. And, and its in there. You know, three powerful words in washington mustpass bill. The interesting thing is a lot of people dont want to claim credit for sneaking this one in. But the parties will be perfectly happy to get the mo y money. It gives them a little advantage in the fight with superpacs over influence in politics. A little irony as it plays out. Were talking about rich people getting to put more money or people with wealth. Put more money in the process, the Elizabeth Warren says the deal in congress is going to screw the little guy and help the millionaires. Cnn released a poll. Hillary clinton likes to be in every poll. But 31 of millionaires think Hillary Clinton should be the next president of the United States. 18 say jeb bush, 14 say chris christie. Neighbor this is the one poll you dont want to lead, a poll of millionaires . I do think that this is a perception that clings to hillary regardless of whether this polling existed. I dont think its a secret that at least among democrats she is the one that wall street would favor. She has very good relationships with the socalled 1 . Theres plenty of things to be skeptical about this poll in particular. From the way the sample was put together to the candidates that they selected, you know, if you put the republican candidates together, theres a lot more millionaire support for them than there is for clinton. But you know, i do think that theres a lot of things about hillary that are going to cause her to be branded as a sort of corporate democrat. And you know that might be more harmful to her if there was an actual democratic primary. Which were not quite seeing so far. But even in a general election, think her republicans get better at sounding those populist themes that tamara was talking about. You question the methodology. So its a fun poll to talk, about im not sure its terribly scientifically valid. Molly and tamara, thanks for coming in. Watch the debate play out in the house, the tone of the house debate will determine whether the senate gets this done tomorrow before the weekend or whether they have to do a temporary spending bill to keep the government open. These guys want to go home, i suspect they get it done. I like that you can watch all that so we dont have to. Well be there for you. Well check in with you of course throughout the day and tomorrow. Job, great to see you. One of bill cosbys accusers wants to take him to court, using a different strategy than weve seen before. Will her case hold water . Well ask mark geragos, well be right back. We all eat foods that are acidic. Most of the time people are shocked when we show them where theyre getting the acid, and what those acids can do to the enamel. Theres only so much enamel on a tooth, and Everybody Needs to do something about it now if they want to preserve their teeth. 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To have a forum where truth can be tried, where both sides can be heard on the issue of whether or not there was a Sexual Assault. If there was, she wins, if there wasnt, mr. Cosby wins. Each side will be able to get their witnesses and their evidence and present it to a jury and a jury will decide. So does this lawsuit have merit . Lets bring in mark geragos, a cnn legal analyst and defense attorney, great to see you, mark. Good to see you. What do you think of the unconventional route of going after bill cosby for defamation. Its an endrun around the statute of limitations, you have a very short period of time for statute of limitations in Sexual Assault cases. Some states allow to you go for a longer period of time. This may not, notwithstanding that little speech by the lawyer, this may not ever get in front of a jury. There are why . There are all kinds of problems with this case, first of all, freedom of speech. Second of all, litigation privilege. So something thats in contemplation of litigation. Can you respond to that. When she starts giving, if you read the complaint, shes giving interviews and then theyre responding. Theres going to be a lot of litigation before you ever see a jury in this case and it may not get there. She is saying that because hes called her a wrecking ball and because he called her a liar, that he has defamed her. Does she have to prove that her life was damaged somehow by this . She has to have some kind of damage. She doesnt have to show extreme emotional distress, but in this case, the bigger problem really is the freedom of speech issue. So will a judge let this go forward . I have my serious doubts that a Federal District court judge, and this is filed in the district court, is going to let this go to a jury trial. If a judge does let this go forward, does that mean that bill cosby has to show up in a courtroom and answer all of these even Sexual Assault charges . Well, specifically as to her. Not as to others. But the Sexual Assault would come into the defamation case, if this goes forward . Thats why this is kind of a creative endrun around the statute of limitations, because what youre trying to do is get to the substance of the allegations in the first place. As you know, there are many women who have come forward claiming this same thing, that they, too, were drugged and sexually assaulted in the 60s and the 70s, there are now according to cnns count, 22 women with similar claims. Here is what this accused victim, tamara green says about how she believes her lawsuit will open pandoras box. She said my attorney has also not just provided a forum for me and a day in court for me, but the equal opportunity for other women who have similarly situated, who have been raped or sexually assaulted by bill cosby and thereafter have been resavaged as a defamer and a liar. Do you think that other women will follow this route . I think youve seen already some gloria yale rallred did ths conference, im sure gloria has considered that. I think its a creative device, theres no getting around it. The problem is that you run smackdab into the First Amendment in these cases and this idea of litigation privilege. Heres what bill cosbys publicist has said about this. This is a 10yearold discredited accusation. That proved to be nothing at the time. And still is nothing. Would you, if you were bill cosbys attorney, would you recommend that bill cosby ever speak out and address these things . Or should, has his strategy of complete silence worked . Well, i think, look, marty singer is a great lawyer and i know him and i respect him a great deal. Part of the problem he has in a case like this, is when you have bill cosby out there and hes doing interviews and somebody asks this question, and he just goes radio silent, thats a problem. And as a lawyer, that puts new a tough position. So whats the answer . Actually while this is going on, youre in kind of a triage mode. I mean marty has got to deal with 22, by your count people coming out of the woodwork and that presents a real problem for him. I dont know that saying anything at this point is helpful to his cause. Giving interviews and not discussing it, i think is a negative. And so also not helpful to his cause. That isnt helpful as well. Mark geragos, great to see you, thank you for coming into new day. Another legal battle, fossil fight, the largest trex skeleton ever uncovered named sue. Just the beginning of the story. Why did the find of a lifetime, trigger a lifetime of conflict . Thats the premise of dinosaur 13 a cnn film. Well take you through it. Hey what are you doing . I was thinking about taking this speed test from comcast business. Oh yeah . If they cant give us faster internet or save us money, theyll give us 150 bucks. Sounds like a win win. Guys faster internet . 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He said yes, and i think its all here. A scene there from the new cnn film dinosaur 13 airs tonight, tells the story of one of the greatest discoveries in history, the largest, the most complete trex ever found. Tie rainsathe Tyrannosaurus Rex knicknamed sue. Join us is the director todd miller. Its amazing this film traces what was supposed to be this great amazing discovery but quickly turned into a nightmare. It really did. They thought they found, and they did find the greatest find of a lifetime, as we say in the film but the fbi showed up two years after and seized the dinosaur and what they thought was going to be this momentous occasion in their lives their professional and personal lives turned into a living nightmare and played out in the series of civil case and also a criminal trial. Its interesting because one of the things that is part of this film is this community that was very much part of the film. Im curious about the effect its had. I dont want to give away because we always wanted to point people to the film tonight. Its abintriguing tale. This community played such a part in this. It wasnt just the backdrop for this story. They really did. In fact, when the dinosaur got back, were talking about a town back then, 700, 800 people. In a small town this was a giant deal and to the region and to the surrounding communities. So the institute in which it was brought back to actually was going to put it into their own museum, they were going to build a museum so the town for two years as they were prepping the dinosaur were hoping that this would not only get some tourism in there. Right, revitalize the community. Put it on the map and they got a knock on the door. They got that knock on the door, why he. Its interesting, because you tell the story, youre very much invested in it. I know you had ideas what was at stake. You go into it as a documenta n idocumentarian with one idea. The film is based on the book, and they gave me the latitude when we optioned the book to go out and research it, spent years researching, talking to everyone involved in the case and i really did approach it more as a journalist to go out there and vet all the sources, make sure that i had people corroborating all the information or the facts that we uncovered so i feel confident and everything that we put in the film. Ill quote taylor swift, haters are going to hate, hate, hate, hate, and they have. You know how that is. You make a film, you make an offering and theres always critics. Interesting though, the criticism leveled at the film specifically from the National Park Services Senior geologist also from the society of vertebrate paleontology, even the washington post, coming out calling the film onesided. I want to give you a chance, not often does a filmmaker get to rebut criticism. Im curious what your thoughts are. The society of vertebrate paleontology, svp is a curious case. They released a press release yesterday against the film like sea world going up against blackfish from last year. There were things that we did not put in the film that would i think clear it up quite quickly as to this kind of vocal minority within awe professional organization like svp and what theyre trying to do, discredit the film their bias against one paleontologist. Some of the statements in the press release are absolute lies. Theyre just not true. One of which was that there were three felonies that there were convictions on. Peter larson was never found guilty of felonies related to fossil collecting. He was found guilty on two that had nothing to do with fossil collecting so people just need to watch the film and decide for themselves. It airs tonight, dinosaur 13 right here on cnn, 9 00 p. M. Eastern. Todd, really a pleasure to have you with us. Thanks so much. Alisyn . 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Your new day continues your new day continues right now. Captions by vitac www. Vitac. Com announcer in this is new day with chris cuomo, kate bolduan and michaela pereira. Good morning, welcome back to new day. It is thursday, december 11th. Just after 8 00 in the east. Chris cuomo with Alisyn Camerota here. In the wake of that scathing Senate Report on cias torture tactics, the Justice Department is declining to prosecute or even investigate. Now the question is, will the cia face the firestorm and calls for him to resign. John brennan has agreed to answer questions at a press conference this afternoon as lawmakers call for him to step down accusing him of lying to the american people. Jim acosta, what do we know . Reporter good morning, alisyn. The white house is steering clear of but the Big Questions coming out of the torture report, should cia officials be prosecuted for the harsh interrogation techniques and did they work . Theres one person willing to answer those questions, dick cheney. With the debate raging over the fallout of the torture report, the white house is staying on the sidelines. Josh earnest refused to weigh in whether cia officials should be tried for tactics the president described himself as torture. Did those details warrant going back and reexamining whether they should be prosecuted . They are made by career federal prosecutors at the department of justice. The prosecutors who looked into the program wont be looking into a new investigation. Trial or no trial, the cia has some big names coming to its defense, from former Vice President dick cheney who blasted the report on fox news. I think its a terrible piece of work. We did exactly what needed to be done in order to catch those who were guilty on 9 11 and to prevent a further attack and we were successful on both parts. And i think this report says it was not successful. Their report is full of crap. To former director michael hayden. What stunned me is the fact it was written in the way it was written. It is an unrelenting prosecutorial document. Reporter both men say the cia is right inserting harsh interrogation methods prevented atacks and saved life. But on that crucial question, the white house takes no position. It is impossible to know the counterfactual. Its impossible to know whether or not this information could have been obtained using tactics that are consistent with the Army Field Manual or other Law Enforcement techniques. The cia is lying. Reporter mark udall called on the president to clean house at the cia. The review conducted by former Leanne Panetta found the agency repeatedly misled congress about the brutal tactics. The president needs to purge his administration of high level officials, instrumental to the development and running of this program. Director brennan, that means resigning. Reporter the white house is standing by john brennan says the president has confidence in his cia director and brennan will have a chance to defend himself in person later on when he holds a News Conference at the cia. Alisyn and chris . Thank you very much for the reporting. Very interesting perspective here will be what did people at the cia think they were doing and what did they think about that . We can get that to you right now. We have former senior cia terrorism analyst cindy stohr, works with kronos advisory, you were in the intelligence business, cindy, working at the cia during the time this was going on. Let me ask you straight out, did people at the cia know that torture was going on in the name of the United States interests . Certainly people, some people at cia knew that these things were happening. They didnt call it torture. If they called it torture they wouldnt have been doing it because thats illegal, so you had to go through the process of going through lawyers and going through the law and figuring out what was considered to be legal at the time and what wasnt. Now, not everybody knew what was being done, in fact most people didnt know the details. And why do you think that was . Well, its the kind of thing you dont want leaks. Thats one of the biggest reasons, and everybody knew and i know that others have said this before eventually a lot of information will get out and a lot of people will disagree. If youre going to continue a program like this you have to prevent leaks as long as possible. The federal report congress was misled by the cia, do you believe that . I do. Yes. One of the things that happens on the inside, its just like any other bureaucracy, where the leadership has decided that something needs doing, and that its a good thing, and then the questions that come down to the workforce are not, is this a good thing or not, its help me justify this thing that weve decided to do. This is big. So you have the head of the cia right now. You have passed heads of counterterrorism and of the agency. You have the Vice President , all of them say the government knew what we were doing and they said it was okay. Youre saying thats not true. How confident are you in that . Well, certainly the Justice Department i think knew let me take that back. Im not sure who at highest levels knew all of the details, because i wasnt privy to that. I opted out from the beginning, so why . I wouldnt see a lot of those details . It was legal, it was okay . Because i thought it was morally wrong, and i didnt know exactly what was happening, but i could see the atmosphere building after 9 11, and people are saying things like the gloves are coming off, and i just had this feeling that that was, this was not going in any kind of a good direction and i didnt want to be part of it. Let me play something for you that a former colleague of yours at the cia said about one of the reasons that these tactics were deemed okay. Play the sound. But none of us are planning to fly planes into a building, kill thousands of people or behead individuals on videotape and blast it around the world. That goes to vengeance, not effectiveness, it goes toward the anger. No it doesnt, no it doesnt. It goes to what youre charged with, saving lives. He said that the tactics that you used, that you used them on each other first to try it out. Is there any reason to believe that you did to each other what you would do to detainees . You couldnt go, you wouldnt go as far on each other. Sounds like an excuse. Well, all the reports say that, i mean again, i wasnt involved but all the reports say including the internal investigation that things went beyond the training manual. Clearly there were things done not done to our own people and under different conditions. One of the psychologists is talking about the difference between being a voluntary person going through this and being someone who is being coerced, and that there are different psychological effects. The cia was asked in short order to become something that decidedly it was not by all accounts. One was operationally able to take on these types of interrogations and two, able to be a detention management place. Do you believe the cia was overwhelmed with the mandate . Sure. Anybody would be. You have to remember, this is right after 9 11. It was kind of crazy. Everybody was worried about the next attack coming and the attack after that and the attack after that, and that we didnt see another 9 11 in the u. S. , there were major attacks overseas fairly frequently for a couple of years and so the cia was under tremendous pressure to never let it happen again, and thats the phrase, this is never going to happen again. But it seems like there was a recklessness guiding this. You hear the people at the top justifying it was vetted, it was okay, we knew how to do it, it was a balancing process of a little bit of enhanced stuff and a little bit of regular stuff but was the real reality as word spread throughout the agency that this was reckless, that you were just trying to do whatever you could . It was more desperation than it was strategic . Listen, a lot of what the cia does is get a mission, go do it. Its a cando organization and people just do the best they can on the fly. Is that recklessness . I dont know. Again, im not justifying it, because i think its morally wrong. Do you think brennan should step down . I dont know, because i dont know the extent of his involvement. How could he not have known . How would people at the top of the organization not know whats going on below it . Is that a reality . Could that be possible . On this subject . Yes. I dont know if everybody knew everything. This is impossible to know. Also yes. Okay. What else do you want to tell us, before i let you go . Just that i think this is something that im glad its come out because we need to have this talk about who we are as a nation. Are we people who do this or not . We got to get straight what was done and who said it was okay and then we can talk about why we do these things. Thats the problem is that we have two different versions of what happened and why. We need to narrow that down. Thats why your perspective is helpful and ill probably call on you again as beget more information. Okay, thank you, chris. Thank you. Alisyn . Lets talk about some extreme weather. Monster storm is set to slam Northern California, expected to pack heavy rain and hurricaneforce winds triggering emergency preparations. While the coming deluge may seem like relief to the droughtstricken state this could be the worst storm in decades. Dan simon is live in San Francisco. Look at the winds near the San Francisco bay bridge. Dan, whats it like there . Reporter hi, we are in downtown San Francisco. Right now things are relatively calm but the city is expected to get absolutely hammered, two between four and nine inches of rain, thats why some say this could be the worst storm in a nun of years, it could rival the worst storm weve seen in 50 years. If it isnt the rain it could be the wind. We expect Hurricane Force winds could get anywhere from 50 to 60 Miles Per Hour, as you said theyre taking a close look at the bridges. The Golden Gate Bridge hasnt been closed since 198 3. If they have to close the bridge it would be historic. All kinds of preparations in the last few days. Public schools are closed today. Utility cruise trimming tree limbs to make sure they dont fall on power lines, clearing storm drains, so you dont have much flooding but well keep a close eye on the situation as i said right now, things relatively calm, but could be seeing a lot of rain in a matter of minutes, alisyn. Be careful, dan, take cover. Thanks so much. Literally the calm before the storm. Lets get more on what is headed that way from meteorologist chad myers. What do you see . I saw a 96mileperhour wind gust about 150 miles north of San Francisco as the rain came onshore with the thunderstorms. Thats for the people of Northern California. Theyve had it up in washington and oregon the past couple of days but now the system is sliding closer to San Francisco and it will be a brutal day. Already 98 flights are canceled into San Francisco this morning and its only, what, 5 12 in the morning. So more cancellations are likely throughout the day. Four to eight inches of rainfall. To break a drought you need an inch of rain maybe every four days. You dont need four inches of rain in 24 hours or for that matter, eight inches, but we will get a lot of snow in the sierra, thats great, get the snow up there. Blizzard warnings. One report i saw said they can expect on the top of the ridges near inkind village near tahoe, 120mileperhour wind gusts are possible on the highest of elevations and even into San Francisco, winds of 50 or 60 Miles Per Hour. Today all the way to 55, reno tonight all the way to 60, but here is another important question here. This storm slides farther to the south so l. A. , youll get winds almost 40 Miles Per Hour tomorrow. Thats how it looks. This is a big storm, one on the west, one on the east coast. The east coast storm winding down, light snow in new york city but the big snow for the rest of the day is in the south of the Niagara Frontier to erie, pennsylvania. Chad thanks for keeping an eye on it. Lets get you right to mick for the news this morning. Good morning once again everybody. Dangerous course on operative may have survived a u. S. Air strike. It was believed David Drugeon was killed last month, the master bombmaker was now only injured and treated at a secure location. Newly released video taken hours after the deadly mass shooting at Seattle Pacific university back in june shows the suspected gunman giving his account of what happened and why. In the video, he describes posing as a transfer student to tour the campus before the shooting. He also spoke about struggling with demons. I wouldnt have wanted to kill people. I wanted to live a happy life. My hate got over me. Ibarra has pleaded not giuily to murder and attempted murder charms. 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Former Vice President dick cheney calls the report full of crap and says that the use of enhanced interrogation techniques were justified. Lets bring in republican senator com coburn of oklahoma, a Ranking Member on the Homeland Security committee and medical doctor. Great to see you this morning. Good morning, how are you . Doing well. After a blistering report like this is released there are often calls for someone to be held accou accountable for what we see in this report. Who do you think should be held responsible . First thing ought to be the critique of the report. I was really disappointed. You cant just look at pieces of paper and make the judgments that the committee made. Theres no context in this report because nobody was interviewed that had association with any of this. The Committee Said they couldnt interview cia operatives because there was an investigation going on. No, they were blocked from interviewing because Obama Administration threatened to prosecute them so you cant put them in dual jeopardy. You put out a substandard report that doesnt have any context until that had been decided. The number one goal is to get out a report, whether its accurate or not. I dont agree with the asuchings of the report. The cia did a lot of things wrong theres no question. We all recognize that. I think theyve admitted that. They werent prepared to do this in 9 11. They were handed something to do under the guidance of legal koup and so im not as upset about that. The number one thing im upset about on the report, what are the recommendations for us for the future . When we have another issue and were going to have issues reli this come again especially with isil and the world in the shape it is, what are the facts that need to be learned to guide us to make better decisions in the future . Theres none of that in here. Wouldnt the Senate Committee say they werent tasked with that, that wasnt the point of this report . They were assessing what happened and getting a full accounting of whether or not those enhanced interrogation techniques did lead to actionable intelligence or if they were classified as torture but moving forward that wasnt their goal. I think their goal was to say exactly what they said without putting it in context. Thats why i think the report has very little value. I know what the cia did wrong. Im privileged to have interviewed many of the interrogators, and seen the consequences of both the fruits and the kobs queconsequences of actions. To me, we know we made mistakes as a country following 9 11. I see very little import of this report in terms of how it will guide us for the future and i think thats the biggest failing. We need help for the future on how are we going to handle these things in the future and what are we going to learn from the mistakes we did make, what is it to be learned and how do we guide that and how do we give informed knowledge to people making decisions in the future, and to me, weve got it all stirred up about the cia and torture. The thing is, what did we learn . Im disappointed with he came to a conclusion without any contextual insight to it and without any recommendations for the future. Do you think john brennan should stay on as the head of the cia . I absolutely do. I didnt vote to confirm john brennan but i found him to be honest with me in my dealings in intelligence on the committee, and also to be very straightforward. Ive not found hes been dishonest or lied to me or led me astray in any way and were aggressive on that committee in terms of double checking what were told. I dont think we ought to change it middle stream right now. I think he also has confidence in the team. You are wellknown in congress as the person who points out all of the wasteful spending. Youre sort of the pork slayer and you will be leaving Congress Next year, but not before youve given them one massive report on tax loopholes. What did you find in that report . Well, i just found were going to spend 5 trillion over the next five years in terms of tax benefits to selected groups of people that may not be in the terms of the growing and new jobs but we tried to create something that the american peop people could look at and read, where does the money go. Home mortgages, everybody said thats a middle class benefit. Its not. 73 of it goes to people making a quarter Million Dollars more a year. Thats not middle class. Thats upper class. We have all the false assumptions in the tax codes saying its for middle class when its not and the whole point of this was to inform where the money is going, and whether or not its accomplishing things that are good for the country. My thought would be that we ought to have capital go where it gets the greatest benefit for the most people in this country, and when we pick and choose winners through the tax code, we dont necessarily do a very good job at that, and consequently, we have a lot of people that dont have jobs today and a lot of wealth thats not being created because weve done it. Its hard to argue with that logic, and those reports are always an entertaining and troubling read. Senator tom coburn, thanks so much for joining us on new day. Youre welcome, glad to be with you, good morning. Lets go over to chris. Alisyn, this is something that comes up from time to time but we have new information for you, household products, could they be harming your kids . A new study finds many things we have in the house do contain a potentially toxic chemical. We bring in dr. Sanjay gupta to tell us what they are and what we can do about it. Also, the way the emails came out was wrong but boy are they interesting to look at. Sony pictures emails from bignamed producers talking about bignamed stars and other producers and really reveal on ugly world. Well take you through it. Heres our new trainer ensure active heart health. I maximize good stuff, like my potassium and phytosterols which may help lower cholesterol. New ensure active heart Health Supports your heart and body so you stay active and strong. Ensure, take life in. Suddenly youre a mouthbreather. Well, put on a breathe right strip and instantly open your nose up to 38 more than Cold Medicines alone. So you can breathe and sleep. Shut your mouth and sleep right. Breathe right. So you can breathe and sleep. vo rescued. Ed. Protected. Given new hope. 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New study finds most contain a chemical called phthalates which can harm your childs iq, the common household items. Here to discuss it is cnns chief medical correspondent dr. Idr. Ing sanjay gupta. My green friends in california talked to me about phthalates for some time. Why are they harmful, what is the concern . A lot of people talk about this and especially women who are pregnant always wondering what they should avoid, whats okay. Phthalates is something that comes up a lot. Phthalates are the things that make mrs. Ticks bendier, if it you will, makes them easier to bend and also associated with a lot of scented products, hair sprays that have scent, air fresheners that have scent to it, things oftentimes food is packaged in. Those are the types of phthalates and theyve been something that has been looked at for some time for all sorts of Different Health effects. This one specifically looking at pregnant women and the impact on the baby ace few years later. Heres the question, is the exposure lifetime or specifically when the woman is pregnant . For this study and theres all kinds of studies but this study specifically looked at women pregnant, 328 women, theyre all in new york city and basically followed them along. Women who had the highest concentration with a couple of phthalates in their third trimester of pregnancy, those children, the children that were born subsequently had an iq points that were a few points lower by age around 7 or so. By the time those kids turn 7 iq points slightly lower. This is not a cause and effect study. Those are hard to establish but theyre concerned that phthalates may have something to do with the lower iq. Concern is enough for parents. Parents that are watching right now, pregnant women especially, what can they be on the lookout for, doctor in there are some simple things without turning your life upside down. Its a risk reward and its impossible to avoid all phthalates because of the numbers of products theyre in. We made a list of a few things. One question comes up, do you microwave foods in these plastic containers. The answer is dont do that. Those food packing often has phthalates in it, microwaving releases it more. Scented products, makes peoples nose itch as it is but scented products have more phthalates which allows the scent to travel and also if youre being careful look for the labels on recycled plastics, 3, 6 and 7. If you see those, those have higher concentrations of these particularly concerning phthalates. Impossible to avoid completely buts sxes but especially for pregnant women some reasonable and easytodo advice. For the rest of us not bad guidance . Be careful not to say that adults out there being exposed to phthalates on a regular basis theres some particular harm. We dont know that. The chemicals are endocrine disrupters, they interfere the way who are mopes communicate signals throughout the body, particularly relevant when a baby is developing but on adults its not clear yet. Dr. Sanjay gupta, thanks so much. Thanks, mick, appreciate that, thank you. Alisyn . Thanks so much, michaela. A massive hack of Sony Pictures is exposing some nasty email exchanges between studio execs. Find out what one top hollywood producer said about Angelina Jolie. Plus award season is here. The golden globe nominees are here this morning. Who is in who is out . Well tell you. [ female announcer ] hands were made for talking. Feet. Tiptoeing. Better things than the pain, stiffness, and joint damage of moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis. Before you and your rheumatologist decide on a biologic, ask if xeljanz is right for you. Xeljanz tofacitinib is a small pill, not an injection or infusion, for adults with moderate to severe ra for whom methotrexate did not work well. 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Bay area schools classes have been canceled there for the First Time Since the terror attacks of 9 11. Security is amped up even higher in the west bank as a Senior Palestinian official who died during a clash with israeli troops is laid to rest, in response, president Mahmoud Abbas suspended all security coordination with israel. The fate of a Government Shutdown in the hands of the house when they vote today on a major spending bill. Democrat Elizabeth Warren is urging progressives to not back the bill until one provision is nixed. We update the five things to know. Stay on top of it visiting newdaycnn. Com for the latest. Mick . Yes. Hollywood is an ugly place and we can prove it. The hack attack of sony may have been wrong but the emails are out there now. Let me tell you, it is revelatory of what is going on in that place. We bring host of reliable sources brian stelter, seat at the table deserved here sir. These are incredible. Hooer is the first one from scott rudin to amy pascal, talking about Angelina Jolie. Im not remotely interested in presiding over a 180 million ego bath we both know will be the careerdefining debacle for both of us. Im not destroying my career over a minimally talented spoiled brat who thought nothing of shoving this off her plate for 18 months so she could do g direct a movie. So far from the glitz and glamo glamour, this is the more real honest side of hollywood, what really happens behind the scenes, we never get to see. Now we see the proof. They are having a discussion, one attending a breakfast with the president of the United States and asked her colleague what she should ask the president , would he like to finance some movies . Is i doubt it, should i ask him if hed like jango, 12 years a slave or the butler or think like a man . What do those share in common . . They sure sound like racial messages were hearing from them. These are all films about african americans, all those themes. Some people called that email racist. I would say its at least racial, not racist but racial. Were both people contributors to the democratic campaigns . They were. They were. Im sure they will be in the future as well. Might need to spend a little more money now and make a phone call to the white house. This is not good for scott rudin. No. Several of the most shocking emails that have come out in this leak are from him. He is a famed man in hollywood, known for his temper, known for this kind of language and tone, lots of folks have gotten into fights with him. We never really see them in public. The business is portrayed this way in movies and tv shows about the business. In private they talk about the fact its an ugly place. Listen to this one again from him to this amy pascal, other big producer. You better shut angie down before she makes it hard for David Fincher to do steve jobs biopic. She says do not fing threaten me. He says i have zero appetites for the indulgence of spoiled brats. Watch out how you talk to me. Talent is talked about behind closed doors and its not just true at sony. Im sure elsewhere. David finch directed a different movie, the tugofwar going on over talent. Ive got to imagine it will be harder for some of the folks to work with people in the future now. Its kind of interesting, scott rudins response. What did he have to say, deflect, deflect, deflect. His statement about all of this . Hes come out and said this is not about salacious emails. This is about a criminal act. He says its about a criminal act and the people behind it should be treated as nothing more nor less than criminals. These were found by hackers published in a way that is a criminal act. Once theyre out there, they are fair game for the outlets covering them. I talked to an executive of sony who said god forbid this happened to your Media Company because this has been so damaging to them. The person also said its still business as usual. Were up and running and releasing movies. Its just a whole lot harder because of the damage that has come out. Are you allowed to be critical publicly of Angelina Jolie who is the if woman . It wasnt public. Now that it has where does he go to get his reputation back . Its harder for stony to work with some of the stars and directors in the future. Im not so sure about that. I think everyone sort of is in on the joke sometimes. They probably know that you act like friends at the parties but you might be enemies behind the scenes. You think he was a future emoticons away from one of these . Behind closed doors its a nasty business. The emails about obama that seem racialized thats a different issue. Might have problems with that. In terms of the relationships, its kind of a frenemy sort of business, friends and enemies at the same time and these emails show how much thats true. Thanks so much. Because of the emails, we talk about the golden globe nominations announced, i bet you the seating order may change at the event. Who made the cut for the years best, thats a live picture now, giving us what the nominations are. Were going to tell you what they are as they come out, so stay with us for that. Were also giving you the latest installment of cnn. Com, the original series wish you were here. This time a blind adventurer takes a nearly 300mile whitewater kayak journey through the grand canyon. Go to cnn. Com wishyouwerehere. My name is eric and this is what its like to kayak the grand canyon blind. Grand canyon is an iconic beautiful place in the world and even though i cant see it, i can still experience it with my hands touching the rocks and experiencing the sound of the canyons the way they echo. 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Lets talk because there is a lot to digest for the golden globe announcements Just Announced like two minutes ago. Heres how hightech i am, i took all my notes on my iphone so thats how im breaking it all down for you this morning. Lets talk about best picture. Lot of conversation about some of the great films that are coming out this year, who do we have . There were a lot of nominations. Can we put them up on the screen quick . Well try. Dont count on that. You know how it works. Only because the Golden Globes break them up into the drama and the comedy category and the best movies its boyhood foxcatcher immigration game sgs selma and theory of everything in the drama category. Interesting thing about this, there arent any big studio films. Selma would be closest here but everything is inpend, smaller films, kind of arty films. The studios arent getting love for the big budget films but actors are saying were doing movies that matter and selma is a powerful, wonderful film and important film. The director was also nominated for the movie. Also best actor in a drama for this movie, so it will be interesting to see what happens with that on Golden Globes. Is there a comedy category . Best actors now . We can talk about the best actors. The Golden Globes give more leeway, they break it up into two categories. Couple of surprises i saw, Joaquin Phoenix nominated for inherent vice. This movie is just going to be coming out, a Paul Thomas Anderson movie, it is a ride. I saw it the other day. You have to surrender and let yourself go. I am neat sure i understand it but its very interesting and it was a surprise to see him nominated. Also bill murray was double nomineed today for sait. Vince and his performance as one of the best, also nominated for ollie kitridge on the television side. Strong field, david oielewo and we also saw mike keaton nominated for birdman. This will be a strong category. The men had Strong Performance this is year. Im not sure the womens category for the acting is as strong. Who is nominated for actress . Theres a wide range. Again, were seeing women that are in smaller films. Reece witherspoon nominated for wild and juneandmoore for map to the stars. Shes been touted and lauded for alex. Thats the role she played as an overly onset alzheimers patient that everyone said this is a defining moment for her. It was interesting to see her nominated for map to the stars this morning. Also, emily blunt nominated. It will be a good morning for her, very excited for into the woods a cute role she plays the bakers wife, a really good musical so it was interesting to see her nominated. Meryl streep got nominated in the supporting category for into the woods. That got a lot of love, nominated for best movie comedy or musical this morning. Our new bestie here at new day, angie jolie, didnt get put in there, nominated as director for unbroken. Whats up with that . Very surprised wi about that actually, that she did not get a nomination. You and i have seen this film, right . Umhum. It was a tough film to watch but you can also tell it was a tough film to make, and i think she did a great job making this movie. You saw the scenes on the water and the scenes in the cold and it was really a rough time for them, and i think with this being her second movie that she directed i think it was great. I was very surprised to see her get shot out at the Hollywood Foreign press. They love Angelina Jolie. A lot of folks are probably saying i havent seen these films in theaters. Lot of these will be opening in the next weeks and days. The critics get a chance to see hem beforehand. Tv also part of the Golden Globes. Any interesting notes we should know about . Yes, one big one for me. Amy poehler is hosting once again. She did not get a nomination for best comedy actress but someone who did, gina rodriguez. Remember this name. The star of the show called jane the virgin its a great show. She is so funny, and im so glad to see her get some love. I aunnoed the Naacp Image Awards with her earl whier this week and she is a lovely girl, the show is really funny. Im glad the hollywood press is recognizing her today. Last of all, all of these shows matter but this is an indicator looking forward to oscar nominations, this indicates which way some of the votes will go. You know, in some categories, it is and some its not. The best picture category the Hollywood Foreign press hasnt been great for out of the past ten years theyve gotten it right but the glass half full, three of the last three years theyve predicted the best picture winner for the oscars. They do get the acting categories right a lot of time. Nine out of the last ten years theyve gone on to predict who is going to win the oscar with who wins the Golden Globes. Id say take a nap but youre on for the rest of the day. We want to hear from you folks at home. Head to our Facebook Page facebook. Com newday and sound off. Nischelle, always a delight. Absolutely guys, see you later. Back to the other variety of news. We have an oregon teenager getting a brand new hand, but its what hes doing with that hand, hes lending a hand to help others and thats why he is the good stuff stay with us. Hello. Im an idaho potato farmer and our big idaho potato truck is still missing. So my buddy here is going to help me find it. Here we go. Woo who, woah, woah, woah. Its out there somewhere spreading the word about americas favorite potatoes heart healthy idaho potatoes and the american heart associations go red for women campaign. If you see it i hope youll let us know. Always look for the grown in idaho seal. Hi. 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I can throw a ball, i can hold bats and things. I can play my favorite sports like basketball and baseball with it. Such an amazing life changer for him, it got dawson thinking, if i were helped like this, how many others could be helped with 3d printing . He and his family teamed up with a local school to purchase a 3d printer exclusively for printing prosthetics for people who need them around the world. Amazing how little it costs to change somebodys life. Listen to dawsons mom. Its less than 50 to make one of these hands. You cant put a value on what it does to your kids. There it is. Beautiful. Well leave you with that one. Thank you, dawson, for being the good stuff. The newsroom with carol costello. Something good, we appreciate that. Have a great day. Newsroom starts now. Captions by vitac www. Vitac. Com and good morning, im carol costello. Thank you so much for joining me. We begin with a monster storm hitting the west coast. 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