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Standoffs but no Serious Violence replicated across the country. Nationwide, outrage garners daughter says she appreciates. This is not a blackandwhite issue. This is a national crisis. In chicago, protesters clashed with police after shutting down a major thoroughfare. And in d. C. , protesters stage a diein only blocks from the white house. No justice, no peace all this after a grand jury declined to indict nypd officer Daniel Pantaleo in the chokehold death of 43yearold eric garner. The grand jury sat for nine weers hearing from a total of 50 witnesses, 22 civilians, Police Officers and medical personnel. 60 exhibits were admitted into evidence, including video, records regarding nypds policies and procedures, garners medical records and photographs of the scene. But the details of the evidence remain sealed. What video was they watching . Because obviously it wasnt the one that the whole world was watching. The department of justice launching a federal investigation. Too Many Americans feel deep unfairness when it comes to the gap between our professed ideals and how laws are applied on a daytoday basis. New york mayor bill de blasio ordering retraining of the nypds 35,000 officers. Were changing how our officers talk with residents of the city. Changing how they listen. And dorj eric holder calling for reform. There are real, practical and concrete measures that can be taken. Reforms civil rights leaders say is needed nationwide. When we shine a spotlight on the criminal Justice System, when we shine a spotlight on the experiences of people, it points to a very big problem. In cleveland, ohio, a twoyear investigation by the Justice Department found what they call a pattern of Excessive Force by police. Caused by insufficient accountability. Inadequate training and ineffective policies. Three hours south, the naacp and the Montgomery County Sheriffs Department are investigating racist Text Messages exchanged by several deputies. Part of the texts read allowed by dayton naacp president derrick forward. What do apples and black people have in common . They both hang from trees. The Montgomery County sheriff has spoken out about the Text Messages, saying they tarnish the office and were speaking about that case and other cases this morning. When you come out and speak to the protest, their message is broad. How communities are policed, who polices the communities, when force is used and if the force becomes excessive, who is held accountable. Who polices the police we kept hearing last night, alexandra. And in terms of how it goes with police, we hear between 60 and 100 people were arrested. A lot of people were taken into custody, later to be released or moved out of the way. Well watch the numbers, thank you for the reporting. Heres Something Else we know, new york city mayor bill de blasio is announcing sweeping changes. It means a threeday course to teach selfcontrol curbing profanity and how to persuade suspects to comply without using force. Thats a lot for three days. But last night was all about the people who want even more. Huge and diverse crowds rallying around the perceived plight of minorities. The message was clear we want change. Overnight, huge waves of demonstrators taking to new york citys bridges and roads, bringing the big apple to a standstill. Thousands flooding the brooklyn bridge. No justice, no peace and shutting down times square hands up, dont shoot large crowds, largely peaceful, but this many people and this much emotion leads eventually to conflict. Making an arrest here right now. Nypd making arrests after a massive scuffle. Theres already violent. They were slamming people down on the ground against the cars. They were very much overly aggressive. What a surprise, when has nypd not been overly aggressive to us. Marchers were chanting whose streets . Our Streets Police disagreed. Some staged a sitin. Arrested while singing and holding hands. But for all the noise, silence in brooklyn may have made the most impact. Protesters staging a diein, lying on the ground next to them cardboard coffins displaying the names of others killed by police. Among the crowd of young and old, friends of the garner family. What does this mean to you that there are this many people who showed up . Im so happy that people of all cultures and ethnicities came out to show their support. We have to make a change because theyre killing us off. What do you think eric garner would have thought of this. He would have been proud of this. Because black people are adamant about making change, its time for change. Lets bring in the president of the National Organization of black Law Enforcement and tom fuentes, a former fbi assistant director. Gentlemen, do we believe this is just about bad apples, or do we have a culture with how we address and police certain communities . Cedric . I think we have a real crisis in this country, its being played out every night and we have a criminal justice issue here. Not just police. We hear a lot about police. And the changes that need to be brought about. But i think in a larger sense, chris, were also talking about a criminal Justice System that we need to sit back and take another look at. So, lets start with the police, though, i take the point, cedric. Tom, lets start with the police, researchers did a study that showed many Police Officers often subconsciously view young black boys as far older and view them implicitly as guilty and are more likely to use violence against them. Thats not a threeday Training Course away from being fixed. What do you do about Something Like that. Do you even believe it . Im not sure i believe it in the first place, chris, what mr. Alexander said is very important. Its an entire system and that system is biased and i saw it every day when i stood in court for six years, three, four days a month in cook county, illinois. And the people that get the favorable treatment, its designed for the lawyers, frankly. If you come into court, white, black or otherwise, and you are wellrepresented, youre going to have a much better time, youre going to either get off or get a lighter sentence. And the poor people that dont have that, that rely on public defenders and unfortunately, that means predominantly, minorities, are not going to get the same treatment in the court system. Thats the fact of life. Because if we want to help those, not just threeday courses for Police Officers, not just, not just body cameras, which i believe in. But lets look at what happens in the courtroom, all across this country. I dont see this, i didnt see this in the federal system when i was an fbi agent, but i saw it every day when i was in court in the state and local system, that beef up our public defenders offices so they dont have 50 cases in one day and dont take the time to represent. I think thats a critical part of this issue. I dont think youre going to get a lot of disagreement. But here is the practical but chris, you see the attorney general is not just the top cop, hes also the top prosecutor. And i dont see any effort to look at our court system and look at patterns and practices of what happens in traffic court, in Misdemeanor Court in felony court, that has to be looked at, too. A lot this is under state control. It goes to the point of the next question, which is when you say its everything, which is probably accurate, you wind up fixing nothing, because its too big. So you have to look at the specific and you have to take on all of the issues where you find them. Right now youre finding them with police and you have motivation and energy towards that. You have to deal with how to fix it heres my concern with that, cedric. The police are now culturally almost feeling forced to motivate against the change. You have the union head here at the nypd. Saying hey, we feel like we got thrown upped the bus on this one. You have Police Officers taking to forums like police1. Com saying another week of chasing around these thugs, this would have never happened in the 80s and 90s, i miss those days. When you start getting us versus them with the cops, you have a problem. How do you get past that and towards a solution. What weve got to do is number one, we as a community and we as police, are going to have to find in the leadership, the leadership of those communities, from elected officials right down to those that are pointed to police chiefs, commissioners and whatever were going to have to set an example, were going to have to demand for the men and women that were responsible for. In terms of providing leadership. And our attitude also, is going to dictate what their attitudes are from the top. Now in regards to new york city, commissioner bratton, one of the most noted and respected commissioners in the country. And i have a great deal of respect for him. And i think that efforts that theyre making in attempt to do something is three days long enough . Certainly its not. But its a beginning. We have to build off of that. Do that three days, but throughout the course of the year, and throughout the course of those officers careers, we have to have constant training, constant training. You cant have training once and think thats going to fix it. Its got to be repeated training over time. I think new york city is headed in the right direction. Tom, lets say you start doing that and deal with your policing. The next big part in criminal justice winds up being adjudication, when you have cops in the spotlight for their behavior, do you think the time has come. On a global level, state by state, do you think the time has come to say prosecutors should not investigate their own cops. Because it judd breeds a distrust of the system. Well, that could be true, chris. And you could devise a system where you have at least prosecutors from another jurisdiction that come in and look when you have an officer involved death. And you know, think that would make sense and at some point might be the right answer. But again, many of the answers that people have suggested in these situations, even when you have it, it doesnt solve everything. For example, ive heard so much about the lack of diversity in ferguson, if only there was more diversity in the Police Department. If you watch that garner video closely, youll see that theres a black female nypd sergeant right there, at that scene. We havent heard anything about what shes doing. Because if she had told those patrolmen theres going to be no arrests, there would have been no arrests. So you know, you have diversity, in that sense, that you have, you know, minority representative as a police, not just one of the officers going along with the program, but a sergeant. The highestranking officer there. The other aspect is that not much has been talked about selection, Police Departments have to do a better Due Diligence on the front end, you see the police union, you see the effort. If you get bad apples, its very difficult to eliminate them from a Public Service job, whether theyre policemen or firefighters or teachers or any other job like that. The key is dont select bad apples in the first place. Have a Due Diligence system that identifies bad character, you know we heard this in the cleveland shooting for example, that that officers that shot the 12yearold was in trouble. Was in the process of being fired from a different department. And yet, cleveland hires him. Pantaleo, the union south in front saying this was a great officers, doing the right thing, he was an eagle scout. He had been jammed up previously with three different guys saying he had not behaved the right way in an arrest. Theres a culture that needs to be looked at and its all about solutions if we want to see the anger and outrage go away, because there will be no reason for it to, otherwise, tom fuentes, cedric alexander, thank you so much for your perspective. Coming up, we talk to former new York City Police commissioner, ray kelly and get his perspective and also gwen carr, the mother of eric garner. 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Back in 2001 he spoke about ending racial profiling in his very first address to congress as president. Then 9 11 happened and his initiative stalled. So what does he think about the gap of mistrust between Law Enforcement and minorities . Listen to whey told our Candy Crowley. There are those who say you know race seems to be more of a problem with what a lot of people term a postracial presidency. When you saw what happened in the streets of new york in the video, what did you think . I thought how sad. You know the verdict was hard to understand. I hadnt seen all the details. But its sad that race continues to play such an emotional divisive part of life. I remember back when i was a kid, in the 70s and there was race riots, with cities being burned. And i do think weve improved. I had dinner with condi the other night and we talked about this subject. And yeah, she just said, you got to understand there are a lot of black folks around that are just incredibly, more and more distrusting of Law Enforcement. Which is a shame. Because Law Enforcements job is to protect everybody. Interesting conversation she has there with former president. You can catch candys full interview with former president george w. Bush, state of the union. That airs sunday 9 00 p. M. And noon eastern. Ill look forward to listening to that. Its interesting to be a fly in the wall in his conversations with condi. Were going to give you a better window into the situation with the officer who choked eric garner to death. Does he have a troubled history as an officer . You decide. Another cosby accuser coming forward. She explains why shes breaking her silence and why she believes there are dozens more victims. Everyone has questions about money. You know, i think about money kind of a lot. Moneys freedom. Moneys always on my mind. Credit cards. Mortgage. Debt. 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The new York City Police officer accused of killing eric garner was not charged with a crime in the chokehold death, but this was not the first time that officer Daniel Pantaleo was in the middle of a racially motivated incident. Two previous lawsuits were filed against him by three black men who say he violated their rights, Eugene Odonnell is a professor at the John Jay College of criminal justice and served 14 years as an nypd Police Officer. Lets talk about the cases against officer pantaleo. There was one case in which he strip searched two black men in broad daylight on the street. He made them drop their pants and they say he subjected them to a really humiliating search. He touched them even inappropriately. You were on the nypd. Whats that about . Its hard to say for sure, the nypd has to do a better job of looking at patterns and say whether or not this is bad situation that shouldnt have occurred. Settlements are made, thats not necessarily conclusive. Thats what happened in this case, a settlement was made. Youre saying that doesnt always mean guilt, it means you want it to go away. Its important to say a relatively number of small Police People do relatively large amount of the work. Sometimes a little bit of unfairness, you want to look holistically at a Police Officers performance. In another case a black man said he was raeted for no probable cause and officer path lo fudged some details of the report. Officer pantaleo was never charged, but somehow that one went away. The cops were deployed on Staten Island on this conditions patrol. Which apparently was doing among other things, loose cigarette enforcement which seems to be the bottom of the barrel of criminal law. I think the root of this is the Police Looking for offenses that were so trivial they probably shouldnt be out there doing that. Thats interesting. In other words, they were, eric garner was selling loose cigarettes, you think the Staten Island police should have had bigger and Better Things to do that day. This was ratified by the Prosecutors Office and the top people in the City Government said this is a good thing to do. This is revenue enforcement. A few cents of tax revenue per cigarette. You put street cops who think the worst when they go into these situations with, lethal weapons, you move them forward and inevitably, if police do enough adversarial enforcement, theres going to be bad outcomes, thats inevitable. We need to reduce these trivial interactions. Officer pantaleo was not indicted into eric garners death. But now an internal investigation by the nypd into what he did starts. Are Police Departments reluctant to throw the book at one of their own . New York City Police department has in situations where people have died, has at a minimum taken people out of enforcement actions, they have lost their guns and never returned to patrol or didnt return to patrol for very prolonged periods of time. They can discipline officers and fire officers after Due Process Rights are adhered to. This could very well happen. Well see. Do you think officer pantaleo will remain on the force, knowing what you know. I wouldnt predict it i hope it doesnt get politicized, theres been a tendency to demonize this officer and i hope it wont happen, either. I dont see, as of this moment, any reason to believe theres anything malicious or especially bad other than a very terrible outcome at a very bad use of force, which the department has acknowledged. You dont think he was a bad apple . I dont know. I dont think he deserves at this point to be demonized, the department has a broken system for training people. The cops have no, theyre left to their own devices to improvise. Why is that . Because the department has spent so much time on bureaucracy. It doesnt have any time left over to do handson policing. Its a scandal. Ongoing scandal. Finally this commissioner and this mayor are fixing that. Three days, expensive, perhaps could use a lot more training than three days for the handson stuff they do. I do want to play the other side, some people are speaking out in his favor and say that he was a good public servant. Here is the head of the police union on that. The motto of what we want a Police Officer to be, hes a mature, mature Police Officer whos motivated literally by serving the community. He literally, literally is an eagle scout. He is a good man. And more importantly for us all here today, hes a professional Police Officer. So he says hes a good man, he says hes a model of what we want Police Officers to be. But can he stay on the street after Something Like this, just for pr reasons alone . I mean its, his job is going to be untenable probably on the street. This is the union speaking, they have due process obligations to their members, its important the officer not be demonized, unless theres a reason to say theres some malice and fortunately nobody is demonizing mr. Garner, we dont need to polarize this conversation. Lets go back to chris. What is obvious is that the nation is in turmoil over this, specifically the deaths of Michael Brown and eric garner. Now you have two potential president ial contenders and theyre going on the record about it. Thats when you know its rea reached that level of dialogue. What they have to say may surprise you. How could switchgrass in argentina, change engineering in dubai, aluminum production in south africa, and the Aerospace Industry in the u. S. . At t. Rowe price, we understand the connections of a complex, global economy. 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As far as 2016, contenders, potential contenders i should say have gone, rand paul has stood alone when it comes to the vocal comments on the grand jury decisions in both ferguson and Staten Island. But Hillary Clinton changing that, speaking to a womens event in boston. Saying she backs federal reviews, in both policeinvolved deaths, heres more of what she said. We have allowed our criminal Justice System to get out of balance. And i personally hope that these tragedies give us the opportunity to come together as a nation to find our balance again. I first saw the video, i was horrified and still am horrified every time i see it. As you know, eric garner, is gasping for breath saying i cant breathe, i cant believe this goes on. That was rand paul last night talking to wolf blitzer. You see the two candidates, potential candidates, they have areas of agreement when it comes to criminal justice reform. But Hillary Clinton focused a lot more on the state of relations between police and the black community. You saw rand paul focusing more on sentencing. Saying that sentences for drug offenses, minor offenses, they should be reduced. So some agreement, but you certainly see some contrasts, rand paul saying taxes are to blame. The new york city cigarette tax more than 5 a pack. Of Course Police were trying to arrest eric garner, because he was selling cigarettes taxfree. Youre seeing this contrast going on and no doubt were going to see more of that as we head towards 2016. Alisyn . Brianna, thanks so much for that. Lets talk now about some extreme weather, because heavy downpours are creating chaos in southern california. Mudslides and flooding reported in riverside and san diego counties, emergency crews forced to rescue dozens of people stranded in their cars, california Highway Patrol says it has responded to 90 accidents in San Diego County in one eighthour stretch. Lets get to meteorologist Indra Petersons who is keeping track of all of this for us. I want to give awe picture of yesterdays radar to give you an idea of what came through the region yesterday, it doesnt look like much, you can see one System Training through the region, what you into he had to realize is that yesterday in san diego, they got more rain in one day than they typically see in the entire month. Half of that came down in just one hour. So it doesnt seem like much, only talking about an inch and a half or so of rain but thats what happens, all the rain clogged the drains quickly. Today more rain is expected in through the region. What were looking at is the low spinning. So its different than the last system they just saw, can you notice its staying farther north. The moisture source farther south. Not that heavy rain for southern california, they have a little chance for showers, its going to be concentrated more to the north. For the rest of us, a storm making its way through, the snow will be coming through the overnight hours, through cleveland this morning, we have a threat for some freezing rain. Youre going to be watching that. Heres the good news, a warm front pushes through for the bulk of this switching over to rain by the time we get to the weekend. Good news, because really friday and saturday going to be pretty soggy, a big mess for the midatlantic and northeast. Not snow. Thanks. Well another victim comes forward to accuse bill cosby of Sexual Assault, this woman says that the entertainer drugged and raped her, in a chicago hotel. Why is she speaking out now . Well find out when she sits down with me for this riveting oneonone interview. holiday mhey is playing i guess were going to need a new santa the music builds to a climax. more people are coming to audi than ever before. See why now is the best time. 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We recently had a playboy bunny reunion and we also have blogs and facebook pages that are restricted to only former playboy bunnies, when this hit the news, there was a lot of dialogue that went on on our website with a lot of the girls. A couple of which private messaged me and said, he did me, too. It happened to me, too. Pj masten says she wasnt going to come forward with her story until she heard about judy huths lawsuit and the claim she was sexually assaulted at just 15 years old. Cosbys attorneys have filed a motion to have that suit dismissed. You dont do that to a child. A 15yearold girl is a child. Thats when i had to come forward. That was it for me. This man has to be held accountable. Hes a serial rapist. Hes been that way since the 60s. In her 20s, pj was a playboy bunny, working at Club Locations in new york, chicago and l. A. The clubs were glamorous places and bill cosby, a friend of hue hefners, was a popular fixture. When you say you were a bunny, thats a bit of a bygone era. What is a playboy bunny . A playboy bunny is essential lay server, we were waitresses in threeinch heels, fiveinch ears and hats with ears. Bill could be were was a headliner in gray gorge. Pj says cosby invite thoerd lunch in chicago and took this photo with her. He jumped behind the counter. He was flipping hot dogs and making hot dogs. He made me a hot dog. Everybody was in there laughing, it was a lot of fun. Well the next day i got a phone call from him. He says, pj, why dont you come out to din wer me tomorrow night. I said okay, ill meet you. He said meet me at the whitehall hotel. And youre not suspicious that anything is going to happen. Not at all. I went upstairs and there were four men in the room besides mr. Cosby. They were watching sports. They were smoking cigars. There was liquor on the table. And they were playing cards. Did he tell you who these men were . He mentioned their names, you know its been so long. I dont recall who they were. But these were his friends. So he asked me, he says before we go out to dinner, would you like a cocktail . And i wasnt much of a drinker, i said ill have a little bit of grand marnier. He was behind me and he poured the grand marnier in the glass with some ice, so i took the glass and i drank it. And the next thing i knew, it was 4 00 in the morning. I woke up in a bed. Naked. Bruised. He was laying next to me. And i slithered out of the bed. My clothes were all over the floor. I grabbed my clothes. I got myself together. I went downstairs, i got in a cab and went home. And took a shower. You dont remember anything from the point that you had the sip of the grand marnier to the point where you woke up naked in the bed . I remember hurting really bad. Your body my body was hurting. What did you think. When you woke up, let me stop you there. When you woke up and you say you were bruised. I know i was raped. I knew i was raped. There were bruise marks all over me. I knew i was raped by him. Pj says a few days later she told her supervisor at playboy what had happened. And she said to me you know, thats hefs best friend, right . I said yes. She said well, nobody is going to believe you. I suggest you keep your mouth shut. Pj says shes been in therapy for many years. Trying to heal from her emotional wounds. What do you want to have happen to cosby now . I want to see his career destroyed. I want to see him made out to be exactly what he is he was a role model for children with fat albert and all his tv shows and the hex tabls made him out to look like such a wonderful dad. He is a serial rapist. And he has fooled everybody in this country, and around the world for years. Hes a serial rapist. Be sure to join us on monday night at 9 00 p. M. Eastern for a cnn special report, the cosby show a legend under fire hosted by don lemon and me. Pj was fascinating to talk to. What was her demeanor to come forward . Once she made her decision, as you can tell, she said it as in Strong Language as we have heard. She said she was motivated because 15, that was a Tipping Point for her. Hearing there was a 15yearold at the time. Who is accusing him of this. But again, she says, that in the bunny world, of which she was a part of in the 70s, that there are many, many more women according to her who want to come forward. Lets talk about the playboy bunny world for a second. She educated me. There werent playmates, there was no nudity. They were waitresses, they were servers and there was a den mother who was taking care of them. They werent supposed to be dating customers and clients. They were cocktail waitresses. When she told her den mother, her den mother said you zip it and you keep it quiet. I dont have a problem separating doctor huxtable from bill cosby. A lot of people do. That does seem to be part of the perception analysis. What is interesting to me is if even some of these people are telling the truth, right, lets look at it as cynically as possible. Just some are, what did that require to cover that up for so long . What would motivate people to cover it up . I know the easy answer is always money and influence, theyre getting paid. But not everybody was on cosbys payroll. It would make you wonder what was going on there, if people knew this. Such a good question. There were people who protected him and it was a different culture. Were likely to hear from more of those people coming forward. The hard thing is their proof is their word, the question is is that enough for other people. Absolutely. Were getting into the racial tensions that are escalating across the country this morning. As study after study shows that black men are treated, thought of, and even looked at differently. Were going to get into why and the question of whether an ingrained bias can ever be reversed. 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Maybe i shouldnt have used the term scumbags, but its irrelevant. Still theres no justification for what they did. Weve all been angry, or upset and emotional environments. May have done things out of character, when you dont have a voice, sometimes this leads to that. So figure out a way, a solution to give people a voice, so they feel they can be heard other than burning down things and looting things. As a black man, if i would have came out and said all the cops suck, all the black people would have said, i love that Charles Barkley. Youre always in an awful, awkward situation. As my grandmother said, im gonna judge everybody by their own merits, im going to be fair. Some people are going to agree with me, and some people going to kiss my [ bleep ]. No one can say it like charles can. Whats instructive here, thats a show about basketball. And yet, whats going on in the country has gotten so big, even there, its part of the dialogue. Its conversations like that going on all over the country. Especially with the new study that suggests that white Police Officers, often view black boys as older and more guilty, than their white counterparts, can that be true . And what does it mean if it does . How do you fix Something Like that. Mark lamont hill, cnn political commentator, professor at Moorehouse College and tara setmeyer, contributor to the real news on blaze tv. Good to have both of you here, what is your reaction to what just happened between kenny and sir charles . Charles barkley, hes Charles Barkley, the way he expresses things, he does it in his own way. The root of what hes talking about is a valid point. That difference of opinion within the black community is completely unaccepted. If you dont walk lockstep, you are called every name in the book. I get it every day. But Charles Barkley are talking about some aspects of the case, that more reasonable people who are trying to to be fair about whats happening. Not reacting in an emotional way. Are unable or unwilling to consider. It needs to be considered. Kenny smith, i think his response to Charles Barkley was a balanced response. It was reasonable. And if most people were reacting the way kenny smith did to the difference of opinion, wed get a lot farther along. But emotions have run so high that rational thought, logical thought and trying to find solutions have gone out the window, thats the sad byproduct of this. Lets take one more bead on this, mark. What you do here for many africanamericans when they hear Something Like what charles said, is hes acting like he doesnt know. Like theres equal stakes here between the men who get Excessive Force used on them and the officers involved and thats naive. Is that an informed position or a bias in and of itself. I dont want to call him naive. I dont want to call someone unreasonable. Because they have an emotional response. Right now Young Children essentially or early teens are being killed in the street. And thats something that requires an emotional response. I dont think that an emotional response, an intellectual response, competing response, i think we can be emotional and smart about this. What makes people frustrated about Charles Barkley is not that hes naive, but that oftentimes hes lacking some level of nuance in his analysis, yes, there are good Police Officers, i have friends who are Police Officers, thats not the problem. The problem is that its a systemic issue. If the police play a structural role in our communities thats problematic at the moment and historically as well that becomes a problem. A Police Officer might be well intentioned. I dont know whats in Darren Wilsons head, ive never run around calling Darren Wilson a rabid racist. I dont know what was in his head. I dont know what was in the officer who killed eric garners head. If you see a black body in public space and that requires in your mind demands a greater response, more intense response than for white bodies, thats a problem and the Empirical Data shows that. Could you say thats true because officers come across more people of color in their policing because theyre in highercrime districts and that winds up meaning that theyre in more minority districts . Do you think thats the explanation in and if so, is that acceptable . We cant dismiss that. Thats not the explanation. Take on that factor and ill come to the reverse. Sure, this is the problem with this discussion. Because there are, its multifaceted. There are definitely issues to be discussed about police brutality. The abuse of power, can you go from civil forfeiture, which is a problem, that cuts across, black, white, yellow, green. Thats everyone. To whats going on in highcrime neighborhoods, and in minority communities, why the crime rate is so high, theres a criminologist in the university of missouri, David Clinger who did a study over 10 years, there were 1265 homicides in st. Louis. 90 of them were black. 90 of them were black on black. Thats almost the same for whites. 86 of whites are killed by whites. But my point in that is, that what we talk about theres an epidemic or an open season on young black men being gunned down in the street because of rogue racist officers is not the case. Only 2 of the homicides in st. Louis over ten years were from cops. Not necessarily white cops. So this, we need to put it in perspective. There are issues that need to be resolved and each one of the aspects that we can address reasonably. I dont think that thats whats happening right now. When you see the crowds and masses of people, i think their anger is misplaced. This is, to, for what whats happening. So whats the question, mark . No, no, its not the question. Because right now, because right now as i understood the question were talking about why police do this. And in the instances where it happens. We can always talk about blackonblack violence, we can talk about cancer and cigarette smoke. All of these things kill black people. Right now were talking about Law Enforcement. Oftentimes were asked to chase red ball of blackonblack violence. And yes, there is a high rate of crime with black people in some neighborhoods, thats true. But that does not explain why police see 12yearold boys and think theyre 20. Yes, Police Encounter more black criminals, there are Police Officers who only encounter white criminals because theyre in white neighborhoods, they still think black men are if more guilty than they are to answer your question about why that is historically weve had scripts in our society about who and what black people are, theyre less intelligent, more prone to violence, less moral, all of these things. If thats what we consume in our society. It has to do with the movies we consume, the music that we listen to. The kind of but its not just that rap music becomes the kind of scapeboat. Its a contributing factor. From the economy to the cultucul culture we live in. To taras point as we end this segment. Were going to do a lot of them. We now have an opportunity to talk about things we often neglect. Will we talk about them when the urgency of the horrible outcomes is gone. Its multifaceted, thank you for taking a look at it Mark Lamont Hill and tara. This discussion is for you, what do you think, message us on facebook. Com newday or tweet us directly. This someone of the story weers following. Theres a lot of news for you this morning. Lets get to it. No justice, no peace this is very different from last night. Bigger protests in the wake of a grand jury decision not to indict a Police Officer in the death of eric garner. Theyre walking down hudson. We have to make a change because theyre killing us off. Hands up, dont shoot. They were very much overly aggressive. Theres people laying on the ground. Race continues to play such an emotional part of life. This is not blackandwhite issue. This is a national crisis. We have allowed our criminal Justice System to get out of balance. I think its very clear that this was Excessive Force. He gave no consideration to my son when he was choking him. Good morning, everyone, welcome back to new day, its friday, december 5th. Protestors take together streets for a second night. Thousands of demonstrators, across the country, outraged over the grand jurys decision not to indict a white new York City Police officer caught on tape, choking and killing an unarmed black man. The demands are justice in the name of eric garner, they say the entire system needs to be changed. As new yorks mayor makes a move to do just that, ordering retraining of tens of thousands of new york city Police Officers over three days, lets give you complete coverage here, starting with alexandra field live in new yorks times square right now. Alexandra, good morning. You know at this protest, grown tremendously, these are larger protests than the city has seen in a long time. Overnight we saw demonstrations popping up in all areas of the city. And also in a number of cities across the country. There have been arrests, but these are largely peaceful protests, the message is full of passion and the people who are out in the streets say that this is about eric garner, but it goes beyond him. Why are you arrested . For standing an protesting. Protesters in cuffs across new york. They wouldnt let us walk through times square. After some seven hours of marching. Police cracking down as thousands of protesters gathered for a second night. Standoffs but no Serious Violence replicated across the country. Nationwide, outrage, garners daughter says she appreciates. This is not a blackandwhite issue, this is a national crisis. In chicago, protesters clashed with police after shutting down a major thoroughfare. And in d. C. , protesters stage a diein only blocks from the white house. All this after a grand jury declined to indict nypd officer Daniel Pantaleo in the chokehold death of 43yearold eric garner. According to the new York Supreme Court the grand jury sat for nine weeks hearing from a total of 50 witnesses, 22 civilians, Police Officers and medical personnel. 60 exhibits were admitted into evidence, including video, records regarding nypd policies and procedures, garners medical records and photographs of the scene. But the details of that evidence remain sealed. What video was they watching . Because obviously it wasnt the one that the whole world was watching. The department of justice launching a federal investigation. Too Many Americans feel deep unfairness when it comes to the gap between our professed ideals and how laws are applied on a daytoday basis. New york mayor bill de blasio ordering a retraining of the nypds 35,000 officers. Were changing how our officers talk, with residents of the city. Changing how they listen. And attorney general eric holder calling for reform. There are real measures that can be taken. Reformed civil rights leaders say is needed nationwide. When we shine a spotlight on the criminal Justice System, when we shine a spotlight on the experiences of people, it points to a very big problem. In cleveland, ohio, a twoyear investigation by the Justice Department found what they call a pattern of Excessive Force by police. Caused by insufficient accountability. Inadequate training and ineffective policies. Three hours south, the naacp and the Montgomery County Sheriffs Department are investigating racist Text Messages. Allegedly exchanged by several deputies, parts of the text read allowed by dayton naacp president derrick forward. What do apples and black people have in common . They both hang from trees. Montgomery county sheriff has dock out speaking forcefully speaking about the Text Messages, saying theyve tarnished the office. Were talking about these different places this morning, thats what youre hearing from the protesters out on the street. Yes, theyre talking about eric garner and Michael Brown. But also talking about broader themes, about policing and justice. And youve heard them, too, chris. The question is what will the talk lead to . Lets Talk Solutions and bring in senator kirsten gillibrand. She sits on the Armed Services committee. I hear tell that you met with u. S. Attorney general nominee Loretta Lynch and you said you think there should be a probe of what happened with eric garner, why . I think there needs to be an investigation by the doj. In new york today, america today, someone committing a lowlevel crime shouldnt end up dead and their family deserve as day in court. I think having loretta look at this case is important. I think she is uniquely positioned with her civil rights background as well as the trust she enjoys with Law Enforcement. She has a reputation of being very fair. Do you think its about the crime or the altercation between police and in this case eric garner. No matter what they were stopping him for, its about what happens once they ask him to reply and he doesnt and how they respond and use force. Is it a little red herring what the underlying crime is . Correct and i think its the use of deadly force for a lowlevel crime thats the problem. So the feds do their investigation. Not often the greatest promise of change. The federal investigations. So if you look at what the problem is here with the grand jury, do you identify the fact that a prosecutor wound up investigating their own police, as part of the problem here with transparency and faith in the process . Well, i think the reason why we need a department of justice investigation is so the country can feel like there was a fair hearing. And i think loretta as i said is uniquely positioned because of her experience. And because of the work shes done previously and the trust she does enjoy with Law Enforcement. That i think she can look at this case from top to bottom and people can feel that it has had the appropriate review. Given that a man has died. Would you support having special prosecutors or having independent investigative bodies when cops are in the focus of Excessive Force . You know, every community will make those decisions about how to manage their Law Enforcement. But i think our mayor is working very hard to put reforms in place as well as additional training. You speaking of the mayor, the former mayor, rudy giuliani, says if blacks dont want to get in trouble with cops, let them focus on the amount of crime going on in their communities, specifically blackonblack crime. Thats the real problem. Do you agree with that . I think these are very, very difficult issues. The concern i have is a very serious conversation thats taking place in america. That there seems to be two systems of justice. What we need is fairness, we need people to know that they are safe in their communities. And we have a lot of work to do. Youre going to stay on this and we will follow your efforts there. Another pervasive problem that you want to take on, is Sexual Assault in the military. So this study comes out that says it declined in the past year from 6. 1 in 2012, to 4. 3 in 2014. Unwanted sexual contact. They said good, were making progress. You say no. Well, there were 20,000 incidents of Sexual Assault, rape and unwanted sexual contact last year alone. And if only you know, 2 out of 10 are reporting these crimes, we have a serious breach in our system of trust. And unfortunately the retaliation of brave victims who have come forward to report their crimes has continued. No change on the level of retaliation. 62 of survivors who reported that they were raped were retaliated against. Its unacceptable. So what we really need is accountability. And all weve heard from the military for 25 years is zero tolerance for Sexual Assault. And what we truly have is zero accountability. You know similarly, we have two similar issues between the first problem that were dealing with with policing and this one. One is, you asked for an independent review of these cases from the take it out of the military Justice System and put it outside of it. You lost that fight early on. Well see how it goes. But do you believe thats the answer, to remove it from the military . Well my suggestion is not to remove it from the military, but remove it from the commanders. Because what we have, if commanders are holding all the cards and making all the decisions, they have biases. They want to, they dont necessarily want these cases to come to light. It makes them look bad. So who i want to review these cases are trained military prosecutors. People who have no skin in the game. People who are going to weigh the evidence, make the decision on evidence alone. Not on whether they like the accused or not. And thats what we have today. So we need these trained independent prosecutors to be able to create transparency in the system. And actually have cases going to trial. On the merits. On the facts and on the evidence. It sounds to be not only a sound argument in this regard, but also with regard to the other issue that were discussing, that you know, when the cops are involved with something, do you see those two as analagous . Well you want to make sure theres no biases in the system. Thats why we have to look at it thats why you have to make sure its fair and that justice will be done. But in the military context today, chris, the survivors tell us, they dont feel justice is possible. They dont believe their commanders will do anything. And theyve either witness order experienced retaliation for those who have reported crimes. And so you have a system thats not working and if youre unwilling do change the structure and really create transparen transparency, youre not going to solve the problem . How do you deal with that culture. If you want to talk about the culture in the police, its nothing compared to the culture in the military b. What you say to whom and respecting your command chain. How do you deal with that . Well, you need some level of independence. And i think that is the key thats missing. You need trained prosecutors, because right now the commanders who make the decision about whether cases go to trial, theyre not trained as lawyers. They have no legal training. So theyll make that decision based on things other than evidence. And thats whats wrong with the system. So in order to guarantee civil liberties, both for plaintiffs and defendants, you have to have the Decision Maker be independent and have no biases. 20,000 case as year, 55 cases a day. You say that is not progress. And it is important to point out, while many of them are women, men are involved as well as victims is that true . Because thats something the military does not like to acknowledge. More than half the victims are men and so if you know anything about the crime of rape, its a crime of domination. Its a crime of aggression. And its nothing to do with romance. And so what we have are you know extensions of hazing, extensions of bullying. Really aggressive behavior. And the post Traumatic Stress disorder for rape survivors is so high and unfortunately, the incidents of suicide rates amongst men and women in the military who have experienced sexual trauma is high. So if someone cannot come forward and report that they were raped, then they cant get the services they need to recover. And to somehow heal. Interesting also, the percentage of people willing to report and make their name public went down. Thats why i know the system is not working. Theres not faith that justice is possible. Senator kirsten gillibrand, thank you very much for joining us on new day. We will stay on the story of Sexual Assault in the military, lets us know how we can be of help. We have two guests coming up with important views, ray kelly and gwen carr, the mother of eric garner, well get their take on what happened and why. 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What convinced them that the officer should not be charged. Lets look at the evidence with a forensic scientist. Dr. K, great do see you this morning. Lets start with the chokehold. The socalled chokehold. I want to know what you see when you look at the still frame. We have frozen the video to the moment where the chokehold begins and weve learned in the past couple of days, there are many different kinds of chokeholds, some are restraint. Some hit the carotid artery. What do you see . The forearm is under his neck. Pantaleos right arm goes under his arm. Which is unusual for a chokehold. One could argue that this is a takedown method. But it does appear to me that there is a pressure that is exerted on the neck. The medical examiner thinks this is a compression, most likely this is compression of the veins, of the jugular veins and carotid arteries that leads to lack of oxygen going to the brain. Unconsciousness in matter of seconds. It wasnt unconscious yet, or for many seconds, the next thing that happens is that he is forced to the ground. And hes still talking when hes on the ground, even though you can see theyre restraining his head against the pavement. This is the moment hes saying i cant breathe. Hes still talking. That tells me that the airway was not obstructed or not completely obstructed. Air was capable of moving across the vocal chords. But he had trouble breathing. Because in this position, a big man lying prone, and with people on top of him, exert pressure against the chest. That prevents the chest from expanding, that prevents the lungs from expanding. And inhaling air. He had trouble breathing, no question about that. The grand jury saw this video. They reached a different conclusion. They heard from the officer, officer pantaleo behind eric garner. What he told them was during this moment of the fight that you just saw, that they had, he had gotten backed up against a plate glass storefront window. He felt they might go through the window. He had to take eric garner down to the ground as fast as possible to avoid that from happening. Its difficult, if not impossible to really get into the mind of Police Officer pantaleo. But it does appear to be a very forceful encounter. I think the size of mr. Garner intimidated the police. They felt they needed multiple people, they needed to bring him down. That he said he was under arrest. He quoteunquote resisted. And they felt they had to take him down. When youre dealing with somebody like that, you dont know underlying conditions. This fellow had asthma, he was, had diabetes, he had sleep apnea. There may have been anatomical issues in the throat. This is a dangerous situation here. Youve got a combination of compression of the blood vessels. Youve got pressure on the chest. Theres a recipe for disaster. Again, he still might have been saved had ems rush to the scene and here they are, they did come to the scene and they stried to save him and tried to resuscitate him, was it after the chokehold . Was it too late . Some people would say he was in the process of dying. However, what ems normally does is check the vital signs. I mean, my understanding is, that one of the responders, whether it was an emt or advanced emt, i dont know. There was a check of the pulse, but there werent any other vital signs taken. If they noticed a problem of breathing, respiratory rate, if they noticed a Blood Pressure problem, they could have treated him. He ultimately died of cardiac arrest. That was secondary to what we see here. When you look at the video evidence, the transcript of what the officer testified to as not been released. We do know from a New York Times article. His attorney said he felt he was on the ground having to protect eric garner from the other officers rushing to the scene and having to protect officers from eric garner biting them, that was his fear. Do you understand why the grand jury reached the conclusion they did. Unfortunately were not in the grand jury, we dont know what they heard. But it seems to me that they interpreted Police Officer pantaleos testimony as meaning there was no intent to do harm, but only to subdue. I think they bought into that and felt a crime was not committed. I think people seeing the video would start to think about Excessive Force and i think Police Training might have prevented this tragic loss. Dr. Ckoblinski, great to see you. Every year we hear from the state of the union address. Hes invited by congress 0 give it will that happen next year . Some members are saying no. Well take it on on inside politics with john king. Just take a closer look. It works how you want to work. 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There was an allegation that the governor christie had closed bridge lanes in apparent represe represe retribution. A manhunt is under way in a suspect in a triple homicide. This man, 33yearold andre sevals, fatally shot a pastor at his church and murdered his own wife and another woman at a nearby home in bradenton. Police have issued a warning say he may be armed and dangerous, the killings appear to involve a domestic dispute. Here is quite a story, this fellow is going to have to tell, a 13yearold arizona boy has a pretty good idea the challenges that face santa. He got stuck in the chimney of his own home. This unidentified teen locked himself out of the house it happens, ive done it. This is where we differ, he decided to use a an extension cord to rapel down the chimney to get back inside. He was not successful in his efforts, luckily the young man had a cell phone, he was able to dial 911. It took an hour for First Responders to get the seventh grader out. Were told hes going to be just fine. The chimney not so much. They had to demolish it to get him out. Young man, while ingenious, is going to have some explaining to do do mom and dad. Resourceful, he had an extension cord to lower himself down. I think the conversation starts, honey, youre not mcgyver. Let me tell you, thats not how the conversation starts. That kid was hoping he would be stuck in the chimney for a long time. The conversation with dad thats why we hopefully have two parents. Demolish the chimney. All im going to hear is see, thats why i need a phone. Lets get to inside politics on new day with john king. Happy friday. Done a lot of stupid things, but never been stuck in a chimney. Hes not santa. Happy friday to you as well. Lets go inside politics. Its been a busy week, its going to be a busy day in washington. With me, julia pace of the associated press. Margaret talent of bloomberg news. The president has a meeting at the white house with incoming governors, including the incoming governor of texas joining the lawsuit against the president over immigration. The speaker allowed a vote, hes hoping it mollifies conservatives so they dont now go shutting down the government. The house said the president doesnt have the power to do what he did by executive action. But the senate wont even take up this bill. But the politics of this are getting quite toxic. Its interesting. Weve had this start to roll pretty quickly after the president s executive orders. What i think will be most interesting in the conversations with the governors today is what the president s response is. Because while the house had the vote, it is largely symbolic. But these governors are looking for ways to if not totally roll back the executive orders in their states, at least change what their states can do. Its possible that they could be effective and then if they do have momentum there, what does the house and the senate do next year when republicans have full control. On policy side, a lot of republicans say we should first we pass this thing in the house that says he doesnt have the power to do it. But its politically symbolic, but wont get anywhere. They say lets do border security, other things. Do you respect the republicans will pass several pieces through the house and a newly Republican Senate . To try to challenge the president s policy . I mean youre seeing it play out now with boehner and Mitch Mcconnell hoping to sort of minimize this keep it as a political fight. And not as a fight that actually threatens a real shutdown. As they game it out, as the establishment leaders game it out in both chambers, they dont win, right . Its looking like there will largely be keeping the government funded through next october. We all know, anything can happen and whats so interesting about today is abbott of course the attorney general of the incoming texas governor, is not only joining the lawsuit, leading the lawsuit. I mean so president obama had his bourbon meeting with Mitch Mcconnell and now i bet the president would rather climb down the chimney than get stuck with two hours with these guys. However, the president thinks this benefits him. Hes doing policy, his Approval Rating among latinos has gone up. Well watch as the politics play out. But the conservative base is furious, or still, again, i dont know what the right word is, with Speaker Boehner and leader mcconnell. Well see how it plays out. Some republicans are saying were so mad at the president , dont invite him up to give his state of the union address. It seems a little petty. We do that in washington every now and then. Speaker boehner was asked, would you not invite the president to address the nation from the house chamer. And the speaker trying to show off his sense of humor says no way, he wants the president to come. The more the president talks about his ideas, the more unpopular he becomes. Why would i want to deprive him of that opportunity . Now, it is funny. And we like humor in politics, but did also to me is just a, onesentence or twosentence snapshot of how after the election, if you hoped of some sort of a circuit breaker, some sort of a reset button where they would say lets put the sniping aside and have a more civil, productive environment, forget about it. Youve got senator cruz saying lets have a fullon fight. Lets fight it with every spending bill and they have boehner, the voice of reason saying i dont want to fight about it, i want to embarrass the president at every turn publicly and trying to take advantage of every situation to make him look bad. Theres no goodwill. From the white house perspective, they think, its been political pingpong since the election. Theyre going to be keep talking about things like tax reform and Infrastructure Spending and trade deals, areas where you might see some compromise. They know even on those areas where theres broad agreement with republicans, its going to be really difficult to actually get something done when the atmosphere between republicans and the white house remains so toxic. We heard michaela mention the Chris Christie story. A lot of republicans are making their decision whether or not to jump in in 2016. Hillary clinton tells top aides shes got a few things to check off on her list. As we wait for candidates to jump in, lets hear perspective, first from secretary clinton and former president george w. Bush. This is secretary clinton yesterday, at an event in boston. Reflecting on what she thinks is very important, critical from her experience for any president. It is such a challenging job. And you need people starting in your family, but going to your friends. Beyond a larger circle. Who will really be there for you and continue to treat you like a human being. Because you can easily lose touch with whats real. Whats authentic. Who you were before you raised your hand and were sworn in to office. Well lets take this on for a second. Whether you like or dislike her politics and people watching view her through her own political prism. She does have eight years as first lady. A unique perspective and then in the Senate Working from the other perspective of how this works and how stressful the job is. Both hillary and jeb have a better understanding of the presidency than anybody else could. If you havent actually had the job yourself. What think is so interesting about clinton talking about the people you surround yourself with, your circle, is that when she ran for president in 2008, one of the problems she had is that she surrounded herself with too many people. People with different interests, people in bills camp. People in her camp. There was a lot of infighting, a lost leaks coming out of the campaign. That may be giving us interesting insight into how shes thinking about shaping her campaign. Shaping the people she wants around her and knowing the importance of that group. And jump in, margaret, first lets bring george w. Bush into this. Hes talking p his brother jeb. In an interview with Candy Crowley you can see this weekend, listen to george w. Bush, the former president , his dad was president as well. Jeb bush has been through this twice, talking about how his view of the presidency and how jeb would process that. When youre weighing the presidency, you think, do i fear success . In other words, can i handle it if i win . You know, on paper it seems like you know, a maybe easy task. On the other hand when you start thinking about the implications of being president , some people go im not sure i could handle that and back off. The other thing about it is the fear of failure. Jeb doesnt, nor does he fear success by the way. Interesting little piece of brotherly love there. You know, cant fear failure or success. Like if you unpack clinton and bush camps in some sord of freudian lens, its fascinating. The brothers, first lady versus the senator versus the wouldbe president. To me, Warren Buffetts decision to give Hillary Clinton money. No doubt whatsoever what shes about to do. Well find out early in the new year. Margaret, julie, thanks for coming in on a friday. One of our big events in washington next week, final episodes of the colbert report coming from washington, d. C. , that guy will be stopping fwoi make an appearance on one of the final shows, well have a little fun for that. Well miss that character. Well miss that character. I dont know if well like the real colbert so much. Ill miss david letterman, life is full of change and transitions. Thank you, john for that beautiful profound thought on this friday. Make sure to watch john king and his inside Politics Panel break down all the best political news of the week, every sunday at 8 30 a. M. Eastern time. And president obama calling for sweeping changes to Law Enforcement. So well talk to one bigcity police chief who is trying to train his officers to see their own bias. How much money do you have in your pocket right now . I have 40, 21. Could something that small make an impact on something as big as your retirement . I dont think so. Well if you start putting that towards your retirement every week and let it grow over time, for twenty to thirty years, that retirement challenge might not seem so big after all. Im just looking over the company bills. Up . Is that what we pay for internet . Yup. Dsl is about 90 bucks a month. Thats funny, for that price with comcast business, i think you get like 50 megabits. Wow thats fast. Personally, i prefer a slow internet. There is something about the sweet meditative glow of a loading website. Dont listen to the naysayer. Switch to comcast Business Today and get 50 megabits per second for 89. 95. Comcast business. Built for business. Welcome back to new day. The recent events in new york and ferguson have highlighted what many identify as as a central issue in this country a fundamental lack of trust between police and some of the people theyre supposed to serve and protect. President obama has organized a task force on policing, comprised of Law Enforcement Community Leaders and Representatives Department of ju justice to try to tackle this problem. The next guest was at the white house when the president made this announcement. Hes had to take on the task of rebuilding Police Community relations in his own big city. Baltimore, maryland Police Department commissioner joins us this morning. Good morning, commissioner. Good morning, miss alisyn. How are you doing today . Im doing well. Thanks so much for being on new day with us, whats been the reaction in baltimore to the grand jury decisions of the past couple of weeks . I think theres been a visceral reaction for the community, much like the rest of the nation. Weve had protests that have been out, and a numb of the protests have been led by young people. Where our university town, we had a lot of major universities and you feel that there is a deeprooted upheaval, that has taken place. When you watch the video, of eric garners arrest and death, what do you think of the tactics that the nypd was using . I want to address the tactics, i dont have enough information. My good friend bill bratton, think what you hear from him is that he is not tonedeaf to the issues hes very much aware of the relationship hes trying to build. Hes brought in to address that situation, much like ive been brought in to address the situation of the public trust within the city of baltimore. Ive had the opportunity to do the same thing in the city of long beach, in the city of oakland, in california. I want to talk about some of the things youve done. They seem to be exactly what Police Departments around the country are talking about right now. You say that you have had to train your officers to be aware of their own bias, everyone has bias, of course, its our blind spot. So how are you opening your officers eyes to that . The first thing you have to start with is to understand that if crime is, if crime is down, but that community is no better off than what it was prior to you going in, then you havent served the community. Number two, you have to understand what your particular Community Wants from you. Communities change on a regular basis, based on demographics, so those expectations, you have to ask, you have to survey, you have to have an understanding, make sure that officers understand that they have, we all come with biases, to understand those biases, and how they can impact your ability to do your job. But i try to push on our officers and make them understand, i demand that you have a reverence for life, you have a reverence for human life and we change our tactics to make sure we have, everyone goes home safe. And in the city of baltimore weve had a reduction in Excessive Force, a officerinvolved shootings are down and 50 officer complaints are down. We havent stopped our challenges, but were moving in the right direction. Those numbers are so admirable. Any police chief across the country would want the numbers that your department has, how have you changed your tactics to do that . The training first of all, like i said number one, you have to understand that our job is to reestablish and affirm the public trust. Skt community what they want. Because we in fact do work for them and we have to meet their expectations and we have to teach officers to slow down. You dont have to move in so quickly. We try to teach them to deescalate. We teach them a course called fair and impartial policing, were bombarding them with a lot of different training. A lot of different changes going on in a short amount of time. All of that train something good, but you need to have good supervision and good leadership to slow your officers down to give them the direction they should be taking. Its so interesting to hear you talk about this. What everybody has said in the ferguson case and the Staten Island case this week, is it escalated so quickly. Someone was dead so quickly in the space of sometimes 90 seconds, it changed the course of their lives and history in that way. So the idea that they can get everyone involved in that incident, to slow it down, take a deep breath, and deescalate is exactly what people are looking for. One other point i want to make about your department. Last year you saw a 300 increase in calls from the community into your crime stopper line. How did you get that Community Involvement in solving crime . I think were pushing to be transparent within our community. When we make mistakes, we go out front and we share with the community. We made these mistakes. We share with them how were going to correct the mistakes and were going to get better as an organization. I have no tolerance for scandals, i have no tolerance for the misconduct thats there. And i think that my command staff is starting to techo the same things. I think the community is starting to understand that we take their needs seriously. And when they believe, when they feel that we take their needs seriously, they come out and support us. The only way youre going to address crime in a systemic way, is to make sure that you have the cooperation and the partnership of your community. That you work in a way that they expect you to. Do you have Police Officers from those neighborhoods . A lot of our officers, are born and raised from the city of baltimore. Especially the more tenured officers that are here. Were recently starting to get some officers coming in from new york, from pennsylvania, from delaware. Our recruiting efforts are very heavily focused on the city of baltimore. Because thats what the mayor wants, she wants the homegrown people that are here and were building programs like our explorer scout program, our College Cadet program to bring baltimoreans into the Police Organization with diversity. Commissioner, i know you went to the white house, youve had these conversations, youve been part of the conversations with president obama. What are the president s ideas of change . The interesting thing when i sat with the president on monday, he feels it deeply. Hes taken this seriously. Hes going to push this definitely. I think much like myself where i grew up in southcentral los angeles in california, i understand what its like to come from an Impoverished Community and see the only point of government is Law Enforcement. Which makes it so critical, it was the fact that a Police Officer touched me in a different way, that i wear this uniform today. And i think what the president is saying and what im trying to get across is, we can be a force that turns around a community to bring hope and to bring success and a vision of success for a community. Commissioner anthony bass, great to hear your inspirational record there. Nice to see you this morning. We want to take you to a city that is at the center of the war on isis and it is literally hanging on by a thread. 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Thank you, ping. Reliably fast internet starts at 89. 95 a month. Comcast business. Built for business. We turn now to syria and the desperate fight to live in kobani. Our Nick Paton Walsh is one of the few western journalists reporting from there. What is it like to try and survive there as a civilian, raise a family . Nick shows us what life is like for families and for children who still live there among the ruins. Reporter kobani feels haunted by those who are still alive in it. Inhumane enough that the noise of Coalition Warplanes above is of strange comfort. The destruction so near complete, the fight is more now for victory alone, not for its spoils. Here, theyve even given up on hospitals. This, the last one,tened by a car bomb. The wounded now taken straight to the border. From the ground level you can see what months has done. Its impossible to imagine the city sustaining life any time in the near future but still the fighting persists, the shelling almost constant, so much of it caused by crude homemade devices like this. There are civilians here, those who refuse or cannot flee and children besieged, who cannot be protected from indiscriminate, constant shelling. Yousef can list of their friends who left. They show us their only option, what they do when the blasts start. Their uncle taught them to hide like this. This couldnt be further from play time, though. There are the remnants of lives enjoyed, but also of lives taken early. Alif walks us to a spot where, a week earlier, his young daughter was killed by a random mortar, the sort that is still falling. Three to four mortars fell near us, he says. The first we escaped from, the second we escaped from and then the third fell on us. My daughter was 7 years old, 7 years old, and she died. God bless and help us. He has six daughters, and the 150 sheep they live off here, after isis attacked their nearby village. He could not leave the flock or the family car, and flee to safety in turkey. She was 7 years old he says, she was so beautiful, small, and people who saw her felt the need to lift her up and down and play. He went to her grave the day before and sat there for 30 minutes. It is the graveyard that tells you about the near future and the more distant one, a trench dug for the dead they expect next to those they have already buried, headstones from rubble. Again, a morbid playground. Too young to fathom the fight around them that will decide what kind of life survival here could leave them with. Nick paton walsh, cnn, kobani. Compelling and heartbreaking look. Our thanks to nick. We turn to a second straight night of protests in new york and across our country after a Police Officer is cleared in the chokehold death of eric garner. 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Is there theres a larger question of restoring a sense of common purpose. I think its very clear this was Excessive Force. Hes a mature Police Officer who is motivated literally by serving the community. He paid no consideration to my son when he was choking him. Good morning, welcome back to new day. It is friday, december 5th, just about 8 00 in the east. Chris cuomo and Alisyn Camerota here, sweeping changes, thats whats promise in the death of eric garner. Thousands hit the streets to protest the grand jury decision. Officers in the predincinct whe eric garner was killed will begin wearing body cameras today while on patrol, one of the things the mayor is ordering. Protesters are demanding Daniel Panteleo be locked up in the death of the father of six, and lets begin our coverage with alexandra field live in new yorks times square. Good morning. Reporter good morning, alisyn. Frustration mounting and demonstrations growing. Overnight nypd says more than 00 arrests were made in connection with the demonstrations, compare to 83 arrests the night before, one sign of how many more people were out here on the streets. The Police Department hasnt talked about what kind of charges are related to those arrests but certainly a lot of people getting out here talking about their frustration, not just in this city but in cities around the country. Reporter why were you arrested . For standing and protesting. Reporter protests across new york. They wouldnt let us walk through times squire. Reporter after several hours of marching, police cracking down as thousands of protesters gathered for a second night. Standoffs but no Serious Violence replicated across the country. Nationwide outrage garners daughter says she appreciates. This is not a black and white issue. This is a national crisis. Reporter in chicago, protesters clashed with police are shutting down a major thoroughfare. And in d. C. , protesters staged a diein, only blocks from the white house. No justice. No peace. Reporter all this after a grand jury declined to indict nypd officer Daniel Pantaleo in the chokehold death of 43yearold eric garner. I cant breathe. Reporter according to the new York Supreme Court the grand jury sat for nine weeks hearing from a total of 50 witnesses, 22 civilians, Police Officers and medical personnel. 60 exhibits were admitted into evidence including videos, records regarding nypd policies and procedures, garners medical records and photographs of the scene, but the details of that evidence remain sealed. What video was they watching . Because obviously it wasnt the one that the whole world was watching. [ bleep ]. Reporter the department of justice launching a federal investigation. Too Many Americans feel deep unfairness when it comes to the gap between our professed ideals and how laws are applied on a daytoday basis. Reporter new york mayor bill de blasio ordering the retraining of the nypds 35,000 officers. Were changing how our officers talk with residents of the city, changing how they listen. Reporter and attorney general eric holder calling for reform. There are real, practical and concrete measures that can be taken. Reporter reform civil rights leaders say is needed nationwide. When we shine a spotlight on the criminal Justice System, when we shine a spotlight on the experiences of people it points to a very big problem. Reporter in cleveland, ohio, a nearly twoyear investigation by the Justice Department found what they call a pattern of Excessive Force by Police Caused by insufficient accountability, inadequate training and ineffective policies. The naacp and the Montgomery County Sheriffs Department are investigating racist Text Messages allegedly exchanged by several deputies, parts of the text read aloud by dayton naacp president derek forward. What do apples and black people have in common . They both hang from trees. Reporter the Montgomery County sheriff believes the Text Messages have certainly tarnished that office. There is a lot of conversation happening on the streets and in a number of different cities, about how our communities are policed and who does the policing. Weve got these cases that have brought this conversation forward, eric garner, mike brown, they are the flashpoints but now generating a much wider and very passionate kind of conversation, alisyn. We want to continue that conversation right now, alexandra. Thanks so much. We bring in greg meeks, democratic congressman from new york, good morning. Good morning. As salexandra said there is conversation happening, people are calling for change. Where specifically do you think we should start . You know, i think that first im pleased that the people that are calling for change are americans, theyre black, theyre white, theyre hispanic, asian, thats where we immediate to start from, when you look at the demonstrations in the street thats a very good thing, because the change these to be in the criminal Justice System and i think that the mayor is right here in new york, and others can follow with the retraining of Police Officers, because there seems to be a problem on how Police Patrol communities of color, and that has, that relationship has to change. Theres a problem with the police and also seems to be great frustration with the grand jury process and if theres a problem with police how they are prosecuted and investigated. Its been pointed out many times there seems to be a conflict of interest. You cant ask a District Attorney to investigate or prosecute the very police with whom he or she is an ally the rest of the year. So where do you go with that . That was one of the reasons why i was shocked especially in new york, as well as in ferguson. Im a former assistant prosecutor myself. I know that in these cases, theres aknow way that you should be able to not be able to get an indictment. Look, here in new york, and thats why i think that one of the things that has to happen, and i hope that Loretta Lynch and the attorney general, eric holder, look at this very carefully, i think that we need to know exactly what took place in that grand jury room. Why isnt Staten Island releasing that . Wouldnt that help the transparency . Why isnt this district of Staten Island able to release the investigation as they did in ferguson . I think it has to happen and thats a big question and if they dont do it on their own i think thats again, i will be calling on black folks have to do oftentimes, the federal government to make that happen, because something had to go wrong. What was his instructions to the grand jury . Did he ask for an indictment. How did yhe crossexamine the Police Officer when he was on the witness stand, because the d. A. Is in complete control in the grand jury proceeding, and so either he did not want an indictment so therefore he did not go after the detective in an aggressive way, as you would do ordinarily in a grand jury proceeding or, so we need to know that, and that is something that i think is very important to have, to know as far as transparency is concerned in this particular process. So are you calling for a special prosecutor Going Forward in police cases or even going further and having an independent body investigate this . What i think needs to be done and what i think that the attorney general holder is in a perfect position to do that, i think we need to have a complete review of what is in place within the criminal Justice System, and the relationship between prosecutors and when there are trying cases against Police Officers, and i would hope that in the practice and pattern of investigation that the attorney general will be conducting, that that is included therein so we can try to make sure that were not doing something on one specific case and we can make sure were doing something that can be nationally done bus this is a National Issue and problem that we have so i hope that in his report that attorney general holder includes the grand jury process in that, as he reports back. Would the independent body solve this problem . Should that be the findings of the review . Well, i want him to look at it, because i see here in new york, for example, when we had the case over in howard beach we had an independent prosecutor come in and that was the right thing to do. I also know, for example, we have a d. A. , bob johnson in the bronx or newly elected d. A. In brooklyn that have tried these cases and generally weve had indictments so it may be were at a point there has to be a change. I would like to see the attorney general in looking across jurisdictions of states to do a complete review so that question make sure were doing something comprehensive thats going to get to the root of this problem and solve it, and thats something thats just something we had do in the short term. Do you think there will be civil charges in the eric dwarner case . I hope after a thorough review the attorney general does, that there will be charges. I look at the tape, all you have to do is look at the tape and it seems clear to me that mr. Garner is not only was he violated and killed, his human rilgts was violated. It was a human rights violation that we have to address and i think that there should be a prosecution of the Police Officer. Congressman greg meeks we look forward to seeing what congress can do about this National Conversation and what happens with the federal investigation. Thanks so much for coming in. Good being with you. Lets go over to michaela for more news. Nine minutes past the hour. Bill cosbys attorneys firing back at judy huth, the woman who says she was sexually assaulted by the comedian when she was just 15 years old. Cosbys legal team claimed huth tried to extort cosby for a quarter milliondollar and she attempted to sell her story to a tabloid about a decade ago. Now they are suing her, seeking dismissal of her lawsuit, and monetary damages. A showdown on immigration brewing in the oval office. President owe pa ma plans to meet today with seven newly elected grns. One of them is suing him. 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The cdc is suggesting that you get a flu shot because it apparently will lessen the severity of the illness if you get it. They also suggest you just wash your hands a lot. A lot. Thats another good way to avoid it. I dont know why i need to know that. I dont think i want to know that the vaccine you would be mad, you would go to your outrage if you got sick, youd be like why . I got a flu shot. I go to my outrage because its my reach of motion. It could be anything. I didnt have a blueberry doughnut this morning and im outraged about that. Thats easy. I dont want to know. If youre going to make me get the vaccine dont tell me, by the way, you may still get sick. I show that as disincentive. Speaking of actually valid outrage well get a little bit deeper into eric garners death. Theres a rallying cry for change in new york city and across the country, but it is based out of here right now so well bring in former new York Police Commissioner raymond kelly. 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Eric garpers mom says her son was treated worse than an animal, claims the Police Officer who put had imin a chokehold and left him to die showed no mercy. She said she could never forgive officer pantaleo for killing her son. Here is gwen carr joined by her familys lawyer, jonathan moore. Good morning, thank you for joining us. Good morning. Miss carr, how are you doing . A little better than i was two days ago. Were sorry you and your family are experiencing this. What happened when you found out that there would be no indictment of the officer . I was very distraught, disappointed, and felt like i was failed by the system. It was not a good day for me. How do you explain the grand jurys findings . I really cant explain it. I just cant see how there was no indictment. I mean, looking at the tape, listening to the medical examiners report, thats reason for indictment right there. We actually didnt need a grand jury for an indictment the way i see it. Because the coroner ruled it a homicide. Exactly. As you know, officer pantaleo has said that hes terribly sorry about this, that he wished that this hadnt happened. He didnt intend to kill your son. You know, i really wonder who wrote that paragraph. I guess after the decision his attorney probably told him we have to put something out there and probably his secretary wrote it. He may have never even read what was written. You dont feel that its genuine. I really dont. Even if it was how am i ever going to forgive someone who murdered my son so viciously, left him on the hot pavement to die that day. No help from no one, ems, all these trained people, no one helped him. Mr. Moore, have you gotten any insight to the grand jurys process, the evidence they saw and why they came to the conclusion of no indictment . Of course its a secret at this point. Theyre not releasing the transcripts or even the exhibits that were given to the grand jury. Are you calling upon them to release it . Yes, i think this case cries out for transparency, a case of great public importance so lets see what kind of presentation they made to the grand jury. I dont think they did a very good job. Let me tell you one example why. They offered i munlt to all of the other officers other than pantaleo at the beginning of the process. This was not just one officer engaged in misconduct. This was a group of officers and to start the process by giving all the other officers immunity so they could come in and back up pantaleo and do whatever they wanted to to to try to get him off suggests that the d. A. Really wasnt aggressively going after an indictment in this case. Mrs. Carr, most of us have come to know your son only through the video of his arrest and ultimately death that weve seen. What can you tell us about your son . Well, my son, which was my first born, was my life. He was a very considerate person, even though, you know, he wasnt perfect. Most times none of our children are, but i loved him. He loved me. He loved his siblings. He was always protective of them, and very protective of his children, and they loved him dearly also, even people in the street, people who i have never met before came up to me since this incident happened, telling me things about my son i never even know, a homeless man came up to my granddaughter when we were rallying and asked is eric garner your son . Im sorry, is eric garner your father, and she replied yes, he said you know, your father fed me every day. She said, really . I didnt know that. Yes, he fed me every day he would buy me a sandwich whenever i seen him and my heart was just so, you know, lifted to hear this man, you know, talk about my son, things that i didnt even know about him. Your granddaughter, erica, was on cnn last night. Yes. And she talked about how she does not think that this was a racial incident. Let me play for you what she said. Okay. Issue of race, do you think its a racial issue . I really doubt it. It was about the officers pride. It was about my father being 64 and 350 pounds and he wanted to be, you know, the top cop that brings this big man down. Youre nodding, mrs. Carr. Do you agree . I do agree with her, because for some reason, officers are, some officers are intimidated by larger black men. But shes saying it could have been a 350 pound white man and the same thing would have happened. And shes right, because the size, because if you look at pantaleo, hes a little man, and he sneaked up behind my son and grabbed him, which he didnt have to do that. My son was no threat at that time. If you look at the video, hes talking to them, but he has his hands up at all times. They know that he wasnt going to try to attack them or anything. He wanted to be a hero, and he went behind him, and put him in a chokehold, and brought him down, and then he wouldnt let him go, as my son begged for his life. He still held on, so it was like a thrill kill. What do you stye people who say that, had your son simply complied with the officers that this wouldnt have happened . He was complying. What more could he do . He had his hands up. What do you want to see happen . I would like to see a just decision in my sons case. The jury didnt give us a just decision, from things that i heard, witnesses who went before the grand jury, i heard that they never even looked up at them, or they might have been in there five minutes and never even got eye contact with the grand jury. I thought that was, thats very disrespectful. Well, mrs. Carr, we are sorry for your loss. We appreciate you coming in, and sharing your personal feelings with us. Best of luck to you, jonathan moore, thank you for accompanying her. People are feeling for your family. And i appreciate it. I appreciate all the protesters, keep on protesting. Traffic was stopped last i was on my way home on the west side highway, the traffic was held up, the protesters were walking past us, i had to let my window down and you know, some of them, the first person who recognized me was a white gentleman, he came and said this is eric garners mother he came over, he went to shake my hand, other protesters wanted to take a picture with me, i was sitting in the car, and i was so thrilled, so thrilled, even to be held up in traffic, and they were coming by and they were standing for my son. I thank them, i thank them so very much. Keep up the good work. Thank you. Thank you for sharing that, miss carr. Lets go over to chris. Its a family in need of healing and a nation in need of healing. You have the protesters, as we were just hearing, bringing new york to a standstill, theyre fighting for justice, they say, over their choking death of eric garner. 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Are the protesters doing the right thing . The right thing, thats an interesting question. Obviously theyre tying up traffic. Theres a lot of concern, and theres a lot of emotion involved here. I think the police are doing a good job. I think sometimes you have to prevent people from blocking traffic or taking a bridge, and you know, thats something that i would hope the leadership is looking at doing, but what weve seen is the demonstrators able to take over streets and bridges for a significant period of time, that impacts on a lot of peoples lives. What can you do without escalating the situation and turning it into something thats a real disaster. They made 100 arrests last evening, but you dont always have to make arrests. The Police Department of new york is the biggest in the country, 35,000 uniformed officers. You can mass officers to prevent some of these things from happening. Do you think its wrong theyre taking to the streets and protesting over what happened . No, absolutely not. Thats what were all about here in this country. People have very deep concerns about two decisions, Michael Brown and eric garner case. We understand that. When you look at this garner tape, youve seen it. You look at what the officers doing there. Were you surprised there was no indictment . No, i think you cant put yourselves in the place of the grand jury. We werent there. I dont know what they saw. I dont know if they did it frame by frame, i dont know what the officer said. Do you think we should know . Id like to know, and obviously new york lawyers. He hasnt asked the prosecutor or a portion of it, you got some information. Hes not going the disclosure route. You think they should be . At this jink tour id like to see more information, yes. Theres something about it that doesnt make sense if you look at the video in real time, it looks like hes choking the guy, he goes down. I think its important to remember that chokehold is restricted by an internal regulation. Right. It is not against the law, and many Police Departments in the country this is no problem. True. So it is a regulation. Right, and it was very important to you. You were out front about it from day one. I juaned the regulation, put in the regulation 20 years ago because we had a series of cases, no question about it, very sensitive when you go near someones neck and resulted in the death of other people in the history of this department and other departments. Whether its legal or not i feel were getting caught in the beads. He gets behind the guy, he chokes him, the guy goes down saying i cant breathe he dies, it screams of Excessive Force. Well, again, we dont know exactly what was presented to the grand jury. Then you get why this happened and race comes up, unarmed black man, selling cigarettes, maybe, maybe not, who knows if he even had the cigarettes there, thats unclear and he winds up dying and this is what happens because blacks dont get fair treatment by the cops. Its a cultural problem. Do you accept that . Do i accept that . I accept that as being a perception on a lot of people. There is a perception in the Africanamerican Community that they dont get fair treatment in many, many encounters with the Police Department. I would like to point out that, in 2013, there was a poll satisfactory with the new York City Police department, 70 of people approved the actions of the nypd, and it was 58 Africanamerican Community, so the notion that there is this great schism between Africanamerican Community and the nypd simply was not the case in 2013. Now, if if you keyou keep talki it, continue to fester and become more of a problem. You think that our talking about it is creating the problem . No, i think the politicians and certainly in the campaign in 2013, it was made an issue, and continues to be an issue in the political sphere, so yes, i think that adds to the problem. But do you think that its not just highlighting a reality that cops in high crime districts tend to be minority districts have a rough he and less dignified relationship with the police . Thats what the issue is, what people are saying, is there tension in some minority communities between the police and the people who live there . Sure. Can you change that . Im sorry . Can you change it . You can work to change it. How . More communication, having a more diversified police force. The nypd Police Officer rank is ma north minority and the Police Officers born in 106 countries so a lot of effort has been made. I think we made a lot of progress. When you have an eric garner case, a Michael Brown case, certainly it sets us back significantly, but in the big picture, certainly from my vantage point, having been in the business who years. Sure. A lot of progress has been made. And it gets to then how do we improve . You have to deal with culture, with conversation, with the community, you work for them, not against them. What happens when the horrible happens . Do you think prosecutors should investigate their own cops . Prosecutors are elected. We have five District Attorneys elected in new york city. They are representing the people. Now in certain instances i could see where you need a special prosecutor, but in normal cases, when i say normal cases, some encounter between the police and members of Minority Community, i think the d. A. S can do the job. Theyre making all their cases with these same men and women. These are their people. The guy out in Staten Island, these are his cops that he makes cases with all the time. And so he goes before the grand jury, do you think hes as aggressive with that defendant being a cop, as he would be if it were eric garner . They usually go in there wanting an indictment. The grand jury is a tool of theirs. The districts in new york city that i know of, we all hold them to the highest standards. You think they do a terrific job. In certain instances maybe it calls for a special prosecutor. I wouldnt say in a normal course any time theres a Police Investigation you need a special prosecutor . I dont think so. Theyd be against it quite a bit. Inside baseball but people trying to figure out how this happened, probable cause is a bar you could have hopped over easily. Staten island is where this happened, they made a movie cop land basically about Staten Island a lot of conservative people, a lot of First Responder families there, and that maybe if this had happened in another burrough you would have gotten an indictment but not there. Is there anything to that . The grand jury as i understand it is made up of 14 whites and 9 or 8 africanamericans, so thats pretty representative, and actually the demme graphics of Staten Island a larger percentage of whites in that jury that reflected. So i think thats a pretty reasonable construct of a grand jury to look at this case. You think Going Forward changes can be made, the first thing weve heard is threeday training for 22,000 cops and thats going to be the sweeping change. Thats not going to be enough. Thats just a first step, right . As far as training is concerned id like to point out the nypd is the only major Police Department that had its training credited on the commission Law Enforcement accreditation. It took four years to do, renewed in 2009 and 2012. So the training i think has been well done. Is a new training going to make a difference . Well see. I dont know who devised it and put it together, i dont know what expert input we have. Well have to see. Could be something that just sounds good. Well talk about it for a while, theres always an answer down the road. Thats right. You started this conversation with kind of adding that, you know a lot of politicians say this, and you know, and now theyre saying they got the solution and its in training. Do you think that the police can become scapegoats in a situation for politicians who dont want to deal with underlying social issues . Sure, absolutely. Weve seen that throughout the history of modern policing. The police are easy to bash. In this city, you have record low crime rates. Last year we had 333 murders. In 1990 we had 2,245 murders and a million fewer People Living in new york than we have now. The city is safe as its ever been. Yet still people want to blame the police for a myriad of things. Pushback, how did you get it that way . Part of it is the economy and the external factors but whether its stop and frisk, you had strong feelings about, broken windows policy, brattin and you were architects of that, that the people who you police on that level pay too high a price for too small a crime. This guy was selling cigarettes, gets rushed by a handful of officers, he winds up dying. People who live in the communities i think have a strong relationship with the police, contrary to what you may see in the media. They need help. They want help. The president said that the other day, that these communities of color need strong police, and it has absolutely transformed neighborhoods throughout new york, you know that. Youve been here your whole life, neighborhoods you never go to 20 years ago now have milliondollar condos in it. Thats because of the low levels of crime and the feeling of public safety. You do not think that this should be representative of the nypd overall in terms of its reputation. In terms of what . The eric garner situation. The new York City Police department does terrific work every day. Its made this city that was crimeridden in 1990 the safest big city in america. Commissioner kelly, youre certainly a part of that legacy and we appreciate you being on new day. Thanks, chris. Alisyn over to you. The final jobs report of the year is in and theres a big surprise inside. Details ahead. Hi. Im new ensure active clear protein drink. Clear huh . Im not juice or fancy water. Ive got 8 grams of protein. New ensure active clear protein. 8 grams protein. Zero fat. Ensure. Take life in. Feet. Tiptoeing. Better things than the pain, stiffness, and joint damage of moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis. Before you and your rheumatologist decide on a biologic, ask if xeljanz is right for you. Xeljanz tofacitinib is a small pill, not an injection or infusion, for adults with moderate to severe ra for whom methotrexate did not work well. 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Its a strong jobs report, a strong jobs report, 321,000 net new jobs created in the month, 321,000, the Unemployment Rate still 5. 8 , which is basically the lowest since 2008 and the Labor Department saying that there was broad strength across job categories. Im looking in the numbers, technical consultants, business professional services, Computer Systems workers, tech workers, accountants, high skilled manufacturing, lots of different kinds of jobs here so not just the lowpaid retail jobs anymore, its a lot of different jobs in here and thats something thats encouraging. We are on track for the best year of job creation since 1999, 2. 6 million jobs added so far this year and the trend really important, ten months in a row of 200,000 plus net new jobs created. Why do people not feel this . Wages are not growing quickly. 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Com good to have you back with us here on new day. A conversation is taking place all across the nation, how do we rebuild a broken trust with police and how to make sure minorities are treated with respect by all officers who want to dig deeper. Weve got quite a panel, michael smerconish, charlie rangel, democratic congressman of new york and l. Z. Granderson. Its a delight to have you all here. I want to if youll allow and indulge me to take this beyond the politics and talk about what we can be doing on the ground level in our communities. One of the things that i think weve all realized, theres a twopronged aspect of this, whats going on with Law Enforcement and the criminal Justice System and whats going on in our communities, theyre inextricably linked. Congressman, what can we be doing in terms of seeing how Law Enforcement is interacting with our communities of color. Theres two problems. One, as awkward as it is, we have to say that this great country of ours has a cancer called racism. Until you admit it, theres no way in the world to deal with it. The police only symbolic of attitudes people have. Theyre not born with it. They learn how to do it and they treat people differently because of their color. You know, when people thought that long ago we were picking cotton without any names or culture and 60 years ago there was a question as to whether or not we had civil rights, whether we had voting. I say that because weve come a good distance from where we were when we were brought into this country. We have a long way to go. We have to admit it. When i marched with dr. King i never believed i would hear Lyndon Johnson say what he did. I was out there politically more than believing in my heart wed turn this country around. When the dogs came out, when the kids got womaned in church, when white folks said oh my god, that could be me, things changed, and things are changing now. L. Z. , things are changing but its 2014, and weve just seen whats happened in the last few months, and we see the rage, we see the frustration, we see the misconceptions, we see the stereotypes, we see the biases. How do we begin to change attitudes, to foster understanding both within the black community, but with also the other communities of color and within the White Community . Well, it definitely starts with admitting we have a problem. Fair enough. By we i dont just mean white people, all of us. Tons of studies have been conducted that shows inherently we have some level of implicit racism, some level of implicit bias. Its not racebaiting or racism to admit that we all have this problem and then the second part of it is looking at theres a difference between racist and racism and institutionalized racism. You can have institutionalized racism, have longlasting impact on a Minority Community without having racist people saying i hate black people. You have a system that is racist. Case in point if you look at our education system, we know one of the precursors for longstanding academic achievement is preschool, Early Childhood development. When you look at the number of facilities available in minority communities, when you look at the disparity along racial lines among black people suspended from preschool versus their white counterparts you see how not necessarily racist people but a systemic racist, have racial impacts on a community, those are the sort of things we need to begin evaluatinevaluati. Michael, you have had a chance to talk to people cross the country. Incessantly. What are you hearing from people from alli ilks, backgrounds and races. I entertain telephone calls from all across the country, i answer phones for a living, weve had four high prchb profile the incidents that ended in the same way, trayvon martin, mike brown, tamir rice and now eric garner. Something changed and it doesnt make any of this worth it but perhaps theres a silver lining. Im seeing, hearing Something Different now with regard to the garner case and the tamir rice case in cleveland that i didnt hear with regard to mike brown and trayvon martin, and that is that when i hear a voice on the phone and if i could discern if theyre africanamerican or if theyre white i pretty much used to know which way this call was going to go. These two incidents with the presence of the videotape have dramatically changed that, and now i think that theres far more of a consensus than i recognized in the prior incidents of people being offended regardless of their ideological perspective or their racial perspective. Congressman, thats really interesting, we saw the video from the protests were seeing across the nation, remarkably here in new york last night, spike lee even mentioned it, that its a beautiful thing to see new yorkers coming out in support of eric garner and his family. How do we make this conversation one that we can have not just in times of crisis. The relationship is important to establish when there isnt just a problem. It has to be one that is sort of part of the fan rick of our society. Some politician said no good crisis should go to waste, and its a time of crisis that ministers and rabbis and everyone, you know, they deal directly, right, and they should be able to say that god didnt want people when god gives birth to these little kids, they havent the slightest clue as to who to hate and who to dislike. Were born with a clean slate. If ever they had an agenda just like in the civil rights movement, you had nuns, you had rabbis, you had people of all faiths saying this is wrong, and it made you feel good that you were trying to correct something. So dont wait for a crisis. Take advantage of this one and i really think that if we had education about what people have gone through, my buddy used to be, by the time he got finished telling me how irish are treated. Different perspective. And then the italians would come and they still are suffering with the sopranos and whatnot, and they are treated really mean by people who they dont have to have an interchange with, even today. If you can put your feet or kids feet into shoes that we have to walk because we are the kids from the slaves, i think as americans you would say thank god im born in america, thank god its time we can change and thank god we can get rid of this cancer we have. Walk another mile in another mans moccasins is what i like to say. The three of you care deeply about the nation, the conversation were having and the three of you are all fathers. Im curious how this conversation has gone with each of you, and what it has been with your grandchildren even. Michael ill start with you. You have three sons, a daughter. The conversation around this, and what you want the conversation to be with your kids and ill get your reaction in the last two minutes. Lets be fair. Ive never had to have the kind of conversation with my three sons that these men have had. Theres a conversation to be had. Oh weve had a conversation, believe me, at our dinner table this is the sort of thing that gets discussed constantly, but its not the same type of a conversation that would take place if we were a family of color, and that in and of itself is quite heartbreaking and ive had any number of people share with me the types of comments theyve had to make to their own sons how to deal with Law Enforcement if they should find themselves in an interaction with police that ive never had to have. L. Z. , quickly, and ill get the congressmans response. Im in a blessed place right now, in my household were going through the College Application process, and so were talking about my sons future, as these event are unfolding and he wants to go into higher education. He wants to go into policymaking because he wants to impact education, because he sees the through line between the Racial Disparity in terms of Public Education and many of the ills that he sees happening including whats happening with Michael Brown, and so education is what the focus of our conversation has been about. Congressman, final quick thought, 30 second. Well, i would say its national security. We have so many damned enemies, we cannot afford to be fighting among ourselves because of color and background, because my son is a marine, he gets offended when i tell him to act any differently because someone else has a uniform that he thinks is inferior to the one that he wore as a United States marine. So people dont like the attitude especially men, do you tell them they have to get rid of their respect for themselves because someones a bigot . But listen, we got a long way to go, and i hope we all are correct that this could be the turning point in terms of how black and others live and Work Together in this great country of ours. I have loved this conversation with all of you, congressman, michael, l. Z. , really a delight, thank you so much. Thank you. Ending on the right tone, to be absolutely clear, americas strength has always been found in its diversity and thats why were going to keep telling this story and figure out the way forward. Theres a lot of news on that front, well get it to you. Have a great weekend, everyone. Newsro newsroom with Carol Costello starts right after the break. Dont settle for 4g lte coverage thats smaller or less reliable when only one network is americas largest and most reliable 4g lte network verizon. With xlte, our 4g lte bandwidth has doubled in over 400 cities. And now, save without settling. Get 2 lines with 10gb of data for just 110. Or 4 lines for just 140. 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