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Cnn that they are hoping for a longer Term Agreement beyond just a ceasefire, and that seems to be where the impasse is. Over the past 24 hours, increasingly there are signs that the israelis want to extend the ceasefire beyond friday. However, at least some members of the palestinian delegation is not on board, notably hamas. Of course, they have been doing the fighting in gaza. They have the most at stake. Their position is they didnt stop fighting. They didnt come to cairo to extend the ceasefire. They want to address some of their core demands which, of course, include the lifting of the blockades, the opening of the border. Will they reach some sort of agreement which hamas wants, or will they extend ceasefire . A lot at stake here in the coming hours in kay row. Well see where things go, chris. Reza, thank you very much. Kate . Thanks so much. Meantime, president obama defended israel yesterday slamming hamas militants for their role in the conflict, this as israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu spoke out for the First Time Since the ceasefire took effect. Matthew chance has that part of the story for us live from jerusalem, so matthew, the Prime Minister, he even brought out photographs and video in defense of israels operation in gaza. What more are you learning . Reporter clearly, kate, Benjamin Netanyahu stung by that scathing International Criticism about israels military action in the gaza strip and moved to defend the troops action there laying the blame for the hundreds and nearly 2,000 People Killed in that military action at the feet of the Palestinian Militant Group of hamas, just like the u. S. President. I have no sympathy for hamas. Reporter president obama standing up for israel. As nearly 2,000 palestinians have now been killed in gaza. Its important to remember that hamas acts extraordinarily irresponsibly when it is deliberately siting rocket launchers in Population Centers. Reporter the president echoing points made by israeli Prime Minister netanyahu on wednesday. The responsibility for this tragedy belongs with hamas. Reporter netanyahu speaking for the First Time Since the 72hour ceasefire. The Prime Minister says hamas uses civilian deaths in gaza as pr fodder, something the Palestinian Militant Group denies. The tragedy of gaza is that it is ruled by hamas. They want civilian casualties. Reporter hes pushing back against International Criticism of how they waged war, accused of striking homes, schools and u. N. Shelters. Nearly everyone says that they are they support israels right to defend itself, but there are those who refuse to recognize or to let israel exercise that right. They would allow hamas to attack with impunity because they say they are firing from school or mosques or from hospitals, and israel should not take action against them. Thats obviously a mistake. Reporter u. S. Officials have criticized israels use of force, calling on it to investigate at least one incident in which a u. N. Refuge was hit killing ten people. Netanyahu says not firing into gaza would validate and legitimize the use of human shields by hamas. Were hearing, kate, the emphasis on extending the 72hour truce to try to make sure even more people dont lose their lives. Back to you. Absolutely. Matthew chance in jerusalem for us. Matthew, thank you so much. Just a moment ago we spoke with chief palestinian negotiator saeb erekat. He identifies the devastation in gaza but can he deliver assurances israel needs . Heres what he had to say. Mr. Erekat, thank you for joining us. My pleasure. Thank you for having me. Lets begin with immediate peace. Israel says it will agree to extend the current ceasefire. Can you give any assurance that hamas and the other jihadi actors will agree to the same conditions and quiet their rockets . Well, chris, i can assure you that we have a unified delegation in cairo now. We hope that the International Community will provide whats needed for gaza, immediate assistance for the disastrous situation in gaza in terms of providing electricity, water, medical supplies, shelter. There are more than half a Million People who are homeless, roofless. So, yes, everything is being exerteded to have these three things in parallel, sustain, extend the ceasefire and end the suffering of the palestinians by opening the passages to hamas. Are you saying that ham ha has agreed. There is a palestinian delegation, im speaking to you, chris, now, they are meeting on this particular issue with the egyptians, and, yes, we have the full intention to find a formula that will enable us to continue with the ceasefire, to extend the ceasefire and to end the suffering for people in gaza. Thats where were going. Thats where were heading, extending the ceasefire is a major interest of us as palestinians. Obviously the precondition is peace and thats where the concern comes in about hamas. What do you make about president obama saying he has no sympathy of hamas and the videos that are showing hamas using civilian areas to launch rockets and the videos showing that the israelis have not fired when they have been in civilian areas. What do you make of all of that . Well, i dont want to go into the cycle. At the end of the day, chris, there is not a single israeli child who was killed or israeli woman who was killed. There are 10,000 palestinian women and children wounded, 2,000 killed, and i hope that nobody will justify these peoples killing and murder and the destruction of a way of life in the total population of gaza. Now, what we want to do, once we sustain the ceasefire and begin elevating the suffering, we will speak to president obama about that after. Well speak to secretary kerry about the day after. We know that this occupation thats been ongoing for the last 46 years has been the source of all evil in this region, and we need to put an end to this occupation. We need to bring about a political station where the state of pal sign, gaza, west bank and East Jerusalem can live side by side with the state of israel in peace, own the 1967 lines and thats whats needed. Israel will not solve any problems by military means or by is thements or by dictations. What we need the president of the United States to do and europeans and the russians and the u. N. And the arabs and everyone, to stand tall the day after and say there must be a Security Council resolution that will specify a time ceiling to end the Israeli Occupation and then to bring palestinians and israelis in order to negotiate. Isnt the case that the problem is so clear, and you outline it very well, mr. Erekat, and thank you for that for our audience, but the source of the problem winds up becoming a fundamental part of the negotiation and the analy s analysis, allowing the blockade to be moved and the humanitarian effort in and all the things that are necessary to fix the situation for so many innocent people in gaza is all about israels feeling about safety, and until you can control hamas, which has not recognized israels right to exist, which has been using civilian Population Centers to fire rockets into israel, dont you have to start there and show that you can control that threat for the Peace Process to move forward . The Israeli Occupation, chris, began in 1967, and up until 1987 we didnt even have hamas in gaza, so 20 years of Israeli Occupation, there was no pretext called hamas in gaza. Now im saying we need to work with the israelis. The only solution, the only way out for palestinians and israelis is going to be through a meaningful Peace Process that will end this Israeli Occupation, provide for the establishment of a palestinian state in the west bank and East Jerusalem to live side by side in peace. I recognize the state of the Palestinian Government and the right of israel to exist in peace and security in the 1967 lines. Can i hear an Israeli Cabinet official or israeli Prime Minister saying that they will recognize the right of palestinian to live in peace side by side with israel in the 1967 lines. Thats whats lacking. We need an Israeli Government that will move towards realizing that the only option for palestinians and israelis to live in peace and security is through ending the Israeli Occupation, through establishing a palestinian state to live side by side with the state of israel and hamas as a Political Parties. I have Political Parties who dont recognize the state of palestine and dont recognize us aspirinias. Thats not my business. I want the Israeli Government and they should want the palestinian governor. We want the United States to recognize us as a government or parties. We are on board. Once we have the signs of ending the occupation in the palestinian state, we have already recognized the right of israel to exist and we will abide and commit to one authority, one gun and the rule of law and thats the truth . Thanks, mr. Erekat, for joining us. We know you have a lot of important work in front of you. Hamas is the one firing the rockets, not your government. Thats why the focus is on them and their intentions. When you say that day after, that day after from israels perspective will be the day after hamas says israel has a right to exist and that they stop arming themselves against israel, but the question is this. Are you saying that there will be no extension of the ceasefire unless israel agrees to remove the blockade now . No, sir, im not saying that. Im not saying that, chris. I mean, look, there are people there are children dying in gaza today because we dont have doctors to treat them. We dont have medical supplies to treat them. Are you going to hold these people hostages for israel to dictate on us . Im saying whats the balance . Whats the balance . We have u. N. Agencies and usaid agencies and european agencies and many humanitarian agencies that are willing now to go to gaza and alleviate the suffering. What im saying, im not conditioning anything. I want to extinguish the fire. Before extinguishing the fire i want to get the children out of the building. Extend the ceasefire and alleviate the suffering of those poor palestinians who have suffered more than anything. Israel has no right to say im going to deny these people medical supplies, Food Supplies until they oblige us. We need to save lives, chris, and thats my story and balance. I want to extend the ceasefire, no conditions but at the same time israel has no right to use Food Supplies, medical supplies against these women and children of gaza. Hopefully the urgent needs of all innocents everybody recognizes the great need on the ground in gaza right now. Absolutely. Mr. Erekat is identifying that as the balance, helping them versus moving forward with war. As much as in gaza they are calling for the lift of the blockade israel is calling for a demilitarization of gaza, specifically hamas putting down its arms. They say restrictions can be lifted but not until hamas agrees to putting down their weapons and not firing on israel anymore so thats the balance and thats where the details in how they would reach an agreement is very complex, and just saying lift the blockade, its not as simple as that. Both have to move. Israel is saying were letting things in, not enough, not fast enough. Right. And on the other side this coalition, we dont know where hamas is in that coalition. I think its interesting, and it will be in the coming day, to see what is the prevailing voice within the palestinian factions sitting down at this negotiating table . Are they speaking with one voice, or are there multiple voices on it . Well stay with it. A lot of news this morning as well. Lets get right to mick. Bank of america and the Justice Department agreeing in principle to a record financial deal in a corporate fraud case. The bank will pay 16. 5 billion to settle allegations related to the fraudulent marketing of mortgagebacked securities that helped trigger the economic prices. This deal includes 9 billion in penalties. The rest would go to help homeowners. This morning russia is explaining its ban on food. Imports from countries that have imposed economic sanctions including the u. S. And the european union. This ban is in effect for one year. It includes supplies of beef, pork, fruit and vegetables, poultry, fish, cheeses and milk. It comes amid new fears that russia might be preparing to invade ukraine. The fbi is now investigating how usis, the contractor responsible for thousands of government background checks was hacked. Officials say perm information may have been stolen by the hackers who usis believes works for a foreign government. The department of Homeland Security and office of Personnel Management have stopped providing data to it a contractor until that issue is cleared up. Breaking overnight. Two former senior surviving members of the khmer rouge regime have been found guilty of crimes against humanity by a u. N. Backed tribunal. These two men who are both in their 80s now have been sentenced to life in prison. Their lawyers, however, say they will appeal. The khmer rouge ruled cambodia between 1975 and 1979. At least 2 Million People died under the regimes rule from execution, forced labor and starvation. If you were around in the 70s, you would certainly remember what was going on in cambodia at that time, and the terror that was caused. Thanks, michaela. Lets take a break. Coming up next on new day, all hands on deck at the cdc, the highest alert issued in response to the ebola crisis. Dr. Sanjay gupta is going to go inside, taking us inside the cdc as they raise the call to raise the alert levels. Plus, isis fighters are targeting christians. Isis has overtaken iraqs largest christian city. 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That was president obama addressing the deadly Ebola Outbreak that has already taken the lives of more than 900 people. Liberia has now declared a state of emergency and here in the United States the cdc has now issued its highest alert level for the crisis, a level one. Chief medical correspondent dr. Sanjay gupta is here with more on this. Sanjay, what does a level one alert mean . Think of it as sort of flooding the zone, if you will. A lot of Different Things the cdc is paying attention to at any given time but they will put more of their resources on ebola. People focusing on all sorts of Different Things. We know they are sending 50 folks over to west africa being deployed trying to bolster up some of the efforts over there as well. Inside the cdc when they made their operations center, when they made this call to raise raise this alert level, clearly this is very unusual. How unusual is this and what did you see inside . It is pretty unusual, you know. You think of the cdc as a organization that is doing alive things but is always sort of on standby as well and can ramp up, if necessary. Last time it happened was twin during h5n1 and before that during Hurricane Katrina. We had an idea of what it look like and some of whats happening there right now. Take a look. This is the cdcs Emergency Operation center. Think of it as the nerve center of its response to the Ebola Outbreak. Just a few minutes after i walked in, phones and blackberries started buzzing everywhere. While we were here, the activation level just went up to level one, just in the last couple of minutes. What does that mean . What that means is just more people and more resources dedicated to the response. Reporter in that room you could feel a quiet determination and a sense of urgency. What youre looking at is what the cdc looks at, a map of the world trying to figure out what Infectious Diseases are happening and where they are mention. As you can imagine, a lot of focus on ebola, tracking that realtime. They have been doing it since march. Take a look at it. Midmay, they thought things are basically under control and look what happens at the beginning of june. Everything takes off, on its way of becoming one of the worst Ebola Outbreaks in history. Reporter dr. Steven monroe is helping lead the cdcs ebola response, not an easy task at all. Were there mistakes made . Is there a reason why this outbreak is worse than any other outbreak in history . The initial event, the Lightning Strike was in a remote part of each one of those three countries and quickly spread across the borders. Here in the United States, different questions. For example, if ebola is not airborne why were there such extraordinary precautions taken for dr. Kent brantly and miss writebol, more an abundance of caution rather than a necessity. Were pretty confident that any large hospital could handle an ebola case if one were to show up at their doorstep using traditional isolation rooms with negative pressure room and with traditional droplet and respiratory precautions. Reporter and while i suit up in multiple layers while i was in guinea earlier this year. Can be worn by Health Care Workers when they come into contact with patients. Reporter the cdc says a mask, goggle, face shield, protective gown and gloves can provide all the protection you need for most situations. Gives you an idea, athe lot of people practicing an abundance of caution and not surprising given how new this is to a lot of people this. Happened at the cdc yesterday while we were there and also as you know, kate, the World Health Organization has been meeting. By friday they may deem this also as what is known as a Public Health emergency of International Concern and that could affect lots of Different Things, recommendations about airports, airlines, borders, things like that, kate. I was actually going to ask you that, about this alert level that has now been raised to its highest point. What does that mean for average person. Are they going to see anything different at the hospital or airport. Are there any different procedures that folks are going to see. No, not certainly at the airports. With regard to the hospitals, patients really wont notice a difference but one of the things that happens is they start to establish a consistency of care at all hospitals. Most hospitals obviously most hospitals have never dealt with this so they have a lot of training and education that goes on which is important. You remember a patient up in new york at mt. Sinai, a lot of questions afterwards. Should he have been test. Turns out he did not have any contact with sick people who had ebola so he wasnt really high risk. He was just somebody who was a traveler in that part of the world, had a fever when he came back and abdominal pain. A lot of people said at the cdc based on the protocols that were consistent he wouldnt have been tested. Thats interesting. Real quick. Any update on the confirmed cases of dr. Kent brantly and nancy writebol. We heard from writebols son who said he had time to see her. Took a while to get her into the Isolation Unit and assess her Overall Health but he spent some time with her. Said she was feeling tired but good. They are optimistic and same thing with dr. Brantly. We havent heard much more except hes been able to communicate with his family and doctors are still very optimistic about things. The fact that they are optimistic, i think that says quite a lot at the stage youre dealing with such a deadly virus. Thank you so much. Talk to you later in the show and a quick reminder, watch sanjay gupta md weekends here on saturday at 4 30 and 7 30 a. M. On sundays. Will hamas agree to prolong the peace . As president obama weighs in with some strong words. Our panel weighs in. Iraqs strongest christian enclave plea bargain for their lives. What can be done to help save them . A live report coming up. [ male announcer ] dont just visit miami. [ jackhammer pounding, horns honking ] [ siren wailing ] visit tripadvisor miami. [ bird chirping ] with millions of reviews, tripadvisor makes any destination better. Female announcer sundayduring sleep trains with triple choice sale. , for a limited time, you can choose to save hundreds on beautyrest and posturepedic mattress sets. Or choose 300 in free gifts with sleep trains most popular tempurpedic mattresses. You can even choose 48 months interestfree financing on the new tempurchoice, with headtotoe customization. The triple choice sale ends sunday at sleep train. Sleep train your ticket to a better nights sleep 30 minutes past the hour. Breaking news out of iraq. A are horrific situation unfolding there this morning. Iraqs largest christian city now seized by isis militants. Tens of thousands of christians are now fleeing for their lives. Our Nic Robertson is live in london with more. Nic . Reporter yeah, michaela, the city just west of irbil, the big stronghold of the kurdish region, that town under attack by isis. All the christians pouring out and moving towards the kurdish area looking for sanctuary there. What is significant about this is that area has been under protection, if you will, of the Kurdish Forces, right next to the kurdish autonomous region. Again, what makes it significant is that the Kurdish Forces have now pulled back. Until now, they have been sort of seen as the last bulwark against the Islamic State fighters as they have swept across the north of iraq and consolidated their control over territory there. Now it seems that they are falling back and the christians from that will town are being forced to flee. Its causing widespread panic in the town of irbil. People concerned about whether they need to leave that city, which is now only 30 kilometers, 20 or so miles away from the front line. So increasing concern about the flight of those christians and, of course, the iziti community forced out of their homes and that happened over the weekend. Christians among the minority in iraq and the question is who will help them . Theres a well regarded local archbishop who is seeking help from the International Community. Tell us horabout that. Reporter yeah, joseph thomas, one of the archbishops from the kurdish region in the north of iraq. Hes appealed to the u. N. And called this situation a catastrophe. His appeal to the u. N. Tonight convenient. Why is he saying that . Again, if the Kurdish Forces have fallen back and cannot stop the advance of the is fighters that is a concern and what were hearing from kurdish officials is they are describing the advances by the i. S. Farmers, wide columns and wide humvees followed up by mortar fire. This is not a small rebel force, fighting like an army along a long front and backed up with artillery power and the feeling at the moment is theres no one who can step in and stop them and thats why the appeal is going out to the u. N. From this archbishop joseph thomas. Kurdish forces had been holding them back, and now we understand what they are up against. Nic robertson, thanks so much for that. Of course, the question is who is going to defend the christians, a largely underreported story. Same thing is going on in jerusalem. Interesting especially here in the u. S. Where you have such a high population of christians. Getting close to the weekend. What do you call this again . Week end adjacent. Meteorologist indra petersons, looking at your map before. Saw some rain and sun. Have a little mix going for us. Going for a sneak peek. All about trust. Why dont we start with temperatures where it will be nicer in the northeast as you get towards the weekend. A couple of wrap around showers fading away as High Pressure moves in. Meanwhile, going down to the southeast, not so lucky there. The air conditions will be worsening us a talk about temperatures above normal and also, yes, theres the rain cuomo was peeking at. Showers anywhere from the rockies down to the southeast. Conditions in the south not looking good. As far as rain, how much rain . A lot, anywhere from 2 to 1 inches around st. Louis, charlotte, 2 to 4 inches there as well. Heavier rain moving in your direction. I think what a lot of people are still concerned, of course, whats going on into the pacific. We still have two storms making their way towards hawaii. First one is still a hurricane. It did not weaken as quickly as they expected. The forecast now could bring landfall still as a hurricane as we go through this afternoon. Keep in mind its that double whammy so by sunday julio will be right on its heels. Well be watching it later this afternoon, especially this afternoon i asked science for some information about storms coming to hawaii, giving me a oneline email. Overwhelms me of a hurricane of Scientific Data that would mean nothing. You ask and you shall receive. How bad will it be . Numbers and degrees and i think i needed a slinged instrument to figure it out. What a mistake that question was. Coming up next on new day, president obama with very strong words for hamas. While israelis and palestinians, they try to look for some Common Ground and a more lasting peace. Can they find it . Whats the u. S. Role in these talks in cairo . Our panel is weighing in next. And good news and bad news. 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Yeah i have no sympathy for hamas. I have great sympathy for ordinary people who are struggling within gaza. No sympathy for hamas. The president with Strong Language wednesday night in a wide ranging press conference that he health with reporter. President s comments come as peace talks between israel and palestinian factions are still under way to try to work out a longterm peace deal. Lets bring in john avlon, cnn political analyst and editorinchief of the daily beast and peter binert, Senior Editor with the israeli newspaper haar yet. Thats really one line that stood out for the president s press conference. I have no sympathy for hamas. What was the president trying to say . Drawing a clear distinction between a terrorist organization thats firing rockets into israel. Repeatedly said that the tunnels are closed and rockets cant be returned and the people of gaza which has been a humanitarian crisis so hes trying to make a clear distinction between the parties as a waive effectively triangulating and creating a third path out of this conflict. Really making that strong of a statement though saying i have no sympathy for hamas since the United States has already declared hamas a terrorist organization . Statement about the people of gaza. A key question is there going to be any relief from the blockade. Israel has legitimate security concerns and the blockade has had a terrible impact on the people of gaza. Virtually impossible to export out of gaza which is most of the reasons that the gazan businesses have closed. Is that a way to say i have no sympathy for the people of hamas but the people in gaza need relief. The the Israeli Government has said there are no interests at all in lifting the blockade. Barack obama is saying theres an economic humanitarian aspect dealing with the blockade that one can deal with without empowering hamas. If you were strengthen Business People in hamas and allow people to travel more freely that would actually ultimately weaken hamas. He kept hammering home the security concern of the israeli people. The Israeli Government needs to hear that because theres a lot of question. A lot of talk about the strained relations between president obama and Benjamin Netanyahu, but behind all of that is a paradox that u. S. Aid to israel is unprecedented under this president , over 3 billion a year. There isnt a high degree of leverage or there should be and as the negotiations go on in cairo and elsewhere i think youre trying to see the administration strengthen its hand. Wont be an economic relief. Thats a longerterm consideration. Thats an important point. Where is there leverage and what is the role of the United States, secretary kerry, president obama in these negotiations . We heard the president say that the security is very involved. Heard from the other sides that hes been making calls constantly, constantly, as far as john kerrys part. Kind of appears that the United States is on the sidelines here. Im not sure that israel wants the u. S. That involved. You have what is unique about the circumstance and different than 2012 is you have an Egyptian Government hostile to hamas and more aligned with israel. What egypt wants to do is pressure hamas as much as possible to allow the Palestinian Authority to go back into parts of gaza. They are not particularly interested in lifting parts of the blockade and thats why they are not having john kerry there. How can john kerry stand for that, try, failure, try, try, try, try again. You cant always get what you want. I mean, really john kerry does not want to hear that right now. Whats really significant thats going on with massive implications, as peter said, actually the arab states in egypt, not only the camp david accord, many arabs siding against israel against hamas. Does this in a strange way offer an opportunity for the Obama Administration to rebuild some of those relationships . American power in general has been declining in the middle east. Our leverage over egypt is not as great as it was under mubarak and our leverage over israel is not as great because obama is not that popular there and obama doesnt want a confrontation with Benjamin Netanyahu which would cause him problems in washington, so i think the macro story here is although there are interesting regional alliances going on against the muslim brotherhood, against islamist parties like hamas and israel and arab countries, that the United States role is diminishing a little bit. May have to get used to an environment where we are not brokering things or at the center of things as much as we were in the past. That also begs the question the president said yesterday the immediate goal for the United States with regard here is to make sure that the ceasefire holds. What do you think is going to happen come tomorrow, 20, 19 hours away from the ceasefire kind of expiring, are we going to see rockets firing again . Seems to me unlikely. I think hamas will come under tremendous pressure, including from the Palestinian Authority not to let that happen . Does hamas care . Its not like they have shown they listened. Hamas doesnt care that much. But the question is does hamas even think launching the rockets will get them anything . What i do think is wore eghere is that ultimately if gaza remains blockaded and people cant move and people cant take care of themselves economically, that is going to remain a powder keg, and this ceasefire, even if it continues until next week and next month ultimately im afraid it lunn raffle again. And then big question with all the splinter organizations what does hamas control with the bad actors . A degree of devastation thats empowering the chances of a ceasefire and the u. S. Is trying to exert influence through bad actors. Thank you so much. Coming up next on new day, secret experimental and potentially lifesaving and also controversial. Was it right to give that experimental serum to two americans when more than 1,000 africans are suffering with the virus . That debate ahead. I think weve got to let the science guide us, and, you know, i dont think all the information is in on whether this drug is helpful. What we do know is that the ebola virus, both currently and in the past, is controllable if you have a strong Public Health infrastructure in place. Its also deadly. That, of course, president obama weighing in on the socalled secret serum against ebola which is also called zmapp. Sometimes the rules are bent, and they just were. The drug was given to two americans with ebola, and it was so effective one of them was able to walk off the medevac plane under his own power. Great news but also troubling questions. Why only the two americans getting this drug . Should it be immediately mass produced and given to the nearly 2,000 africans who need it . Ethical questions and difficult solutions. Not as obvious and lets discuss with dr. Ezekiel emanuel head of medical Health Policy at university of pennsylvania. Welcome. Good to be here. It works, give it to the people who need it now in two numbers, not just the two white wealthy americans, wealthy by country of origin, fair criticism . Well, first of all, we dont know that it works. Youve given it to two people. Not everyone dies from ebola. Its about 55 mortality rate. Could have been their Natural Immunity coming back because they are, you know, they werent exposed to that big a volume or their immune system works better so we dont know. Dr. Brantly said he thought he was going to die and he took the dose of the serum and the next day, that doesnt suggest anything . No, not necessarily. You have to do a Clinical Trial to see whether drugs work or not. At a very early stage of developing this. It was still doing animal testing, which is usually necessary before human trials, but, you know, theres interest in expanding it and doing it a rigorous trial to find out whether it works and how effective it is, and is it more effective, you know, on some people rather than others and one distribution rather than another . Big scientific questions, and we really shouldnt prejudge this works so we should rush it out there without trying to get the data to really know how well it works. But when people see that it was given as a charitable exception or whatever compassionate use. Exception or whatever the bend in the rule is to these two people, why wasnt a compassionate use for some of the africans . Well, first of all, we have a very limited supply. Again, the company that was developing this was not anticipating trials in humans, not anticipating using it for a big outbreak in africa. They were anticipating using it for more animal testing which we usually do before human testing. Again, to be sure that what were giving to people works. Weve had a lot of cases in history, full of cases where something looks promising in animals, either doesnt work in people or worse actually makes things worse under some circumstances. Right. Thats the whole reason for a very orderly Drug Development process. In emergencies where you have a big mortality rate, you sometimes jump that que, especially in the Public Health emergency and outbreak, and this is one of the cases where they are looking to break the que, but they dont even have enough drug yet to give to thousands of people, much less hundreds of people. Now, in a way, the key word you just said they. Just to be clear. Dr. Emanuel has nothing to do with this decision process, he didnt do this, deciding who gets it and who doesnt but i do want to center on that question again because there was a decision made to give it to these two americans instead of anybody else. Yeah. That raises an obvious suspicion of preference. Well, look, lets distinguish two things. In Compassionate Care where youre making exceptions for an individual, it always looks suspicious because youre picking one individual out of a mass, and i actually am somewhat hesitant about doing that. When you run a Clinical Trial, and you look at the principles for running a Clinical Trial where youre going to give it and try to work data and see if it works or doesnt, one of the main principles is fair subject selection, dont give reference to rich people and done subject poor people to very high risk, untested treatments. Both need to be adhered to, and if we were to run a Clinical Trial in africa and get enough of the zmapp drug to do it, you would definitely adhere to that principle of fair subject selection, and i think thats one of the reasons to run a Clinical Trial rather than the oneoff exceptions on compassionate use. So ethically youre not bothered by the two americans getting this serum. Ethically would it be okay to run a trial on africans right now and see if it works . First of all, you couldnt run it on anyone else. Youd have to run it on africans because thats where the disease is. Okay. Youd have to run it on who is being subjected to the disease, and that right now is three countries in west africa. I am ethically troubled by just picking people out because they are americans and giving them the drug, right. Its a natural response, but from an american government, but i dont think from a fairness standpoint. Thats why i dont like compassionate use. By the way, we should notice theres a lot of pressure to for compassionate use exceptions in the United States for lifethreatening illnesses. People say, you know, theres a beautiful 15yearold, give them this drug. Well, it raises all the same kind of questions of fairness, so these new laws that have been passed in colorado, missouri and other places about getting people access to drugs, you know, they raise all the same ethical questions youre raising here. Remember, the most effective way of getting a drug to a lot of people is to show it works in a Clinical Trial and not to have these oneoff compassionate use where you dont know whether the drug worked or didnt. Youre saying with ebola, even though theres a 60 mortality or failure rate against the virus, dont be so quick to think that this is a magic cure. We dont know enough to expose people to the risk. Theres enough risk to offset the benefit. Enough uncertainty that we need to run a trial. Okay. We dont know what the risks are because the drug hasnt been tried in humans. We need data on both the benefits. How effective is this thing and does it really prevent people from dying from ebola . We also need to know are there big risks if people get it . Could there be an adverse eaction from the body. Even worse than ebola . Thats happened. Dr. Emanuel, thank you so much. No problem, thank you very much. One stories were following this morning, but theres a lot of news to tell you about so lets get right to to it. Probably things could have been done better here and there, but this is war. I have no sympathy for war. The goal remains to protect israeli citizens. I could care less if someone is pro israel or pro palestine. I think its going to be naturally spreading throughout the world eventually. Were confident that any large hospital could handle an ebola case. This is on its way to becoming the worst Ebola Outbreak in history. Its a threat, a threat that was coming in my house. You either shot on purpose because you were in fear or the gun went off accidentally, which one is it . Good morning. Some progress and no big breakthroughs in the peace talks between israel and the palestinian factions. Indirect negotiations have resumed in cairo with time running out. Remember, 18 hours remain in the ceasefire that began tuesday. Both sides are holding their fire, but what happens if no deal is reached in the israelis have already agreed to extend the ceasefire. Last hour the chief palestinian negotiator told cnn he was working to extend it, but at least some factions arent on board. At least not yet. Were going to get the perspective from both sides this morning, this hour. Let start with the israeli side and then well be speaking with a representative from hamas. Lets begin with dory gold, a Senior Adviser to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Mr. Gold, thank you so much for your time. My pleasure. So, from your perspective, where do the talks stand . Well, israel is prepared to extend the ceasefire without any special reservations. Its not asking for preconditions in order to have quiet. Unfortunately, in the Palestinian Team there are voices from hamas that are demanding some kind of breakthrough in the things they are looking for. Hamas is insisting that after this war it have a port. It have, you know, this complete access to the sea. Were, of course, concerned, if Something Like that occurs, that the iranians or others will bring missile boats into the mediterranean and to that gaza port, so its not so simple just to say give them a port. In any case, foodstuffs and pharmaceuticals and humanitarian items are getting into gaza. I did want to ask you about that. You said some inside the palestinian factions, that gets to a chief question. C saeb erekat was on the show earlier speaking with chris and said the following. The palestinian delegation is upified. Theres not a hamas delegation, fatah delegation. We are the palestinian delegation unified. Do you agree with that . Well, thats an ideological position for a palestinian leader, but, in fact, we do see different voices. Look, hamas and fatah were virtually at war with each other not long ago. Then they had this new agreement reached by Mahmoud Abbas before the current struggles occurred, so, you know, sometimes they voice different views. Sometimes they try and work together, but we have to understand that the security of not just israel but the whole region is affected by this. You know, that hamas, for example, worked closely with al qaeda affiliates in the sinai peninsula, so if you just open up all the routes into the gaza strip so that the al qaeda affiliates in sinai and other terrorist organizations bothering israel can work with hamas, we could have a serious deterioration. Therefore, our position on security is so important not just for israel but for everybody. Well, that gets to the key point, of course, and maybe we should separate the talking about extending the ceasefire and really what the heart of the longterm peace negotiation is, and can you tell me if its one in the same at this point. The issue of lifting the blockade. Saeb erekat says that that is key. We all know that that is key. Thats what hamas has called for. What conditions under what conditions at this point, very seriously, mr. Gold, is israel interested or open to lifting the blockade and easing restrictions on the border . Well, in terms of humanitarian access, you know, in the past couple of days hundreds of trucks have come from the israeli side into hamascontrolled gaza so we have no problem with the palestinians having Economic Development, having proper levels of trade with surrounding areas, but what we do insist upon, and this will be a general theme of the israeli negotiators, that if we talk about the recovery and redevelopment of the gaza strip, it has to be linked with the demilitarization of gaza. Because the two are intimately tied to each other. If you want cement for rebuilding homes or schools, youve got to make sure the cement goes there and not to rebuilding attack tunnels that go into israel. It seems like from what i hear from you right now that negotiations havent moved anywhere from their starting positions, calling for the demilitarization of gaza is something that weve heard from israel from the very beginning, lifting the blockade is something weve heard from hamas all along as well as other palestinian factions. So are you saying there will be no lift to the blockade, no easing of restrictions without a full demilitarization of gaza . Well, we are talking about demilitarization of gaza being part of a general Economic Development plan that various outside parties are going to suggest. You know, there are countries that want to put serious money into the gaza strip. Again, how do you make sure that the money goes for the people of the gaza strip and doesnt go for purchasing new rockets, antitank weapons and a whole assortment of weaponry that has been in the hamas arsenal. So what do you propose . How do you ensure that . These are the kind of mechanisms well, these are the kind of mechanisms that have to be discussed. This is not a simple issue. Of course not. Having an ongoing ceasefire is very important. Israel is willing to do it. The question is whether hamas will place preconditions and basically sandbag the whole understandings that were trying to reach. Is it your understanding that hamas is going to put preconditions on extending the ceasefire past tomorrow morning . Well, you know, you hear voices. You hear people being interviewed. You hear all kinds of talk. Were hoping that we can all move past this party of Armed Conflict so that the people of southern israel can live without missiles being fired at them day in and day out and that the people of gaza can get a better future. Tomorrow morning israel, as you said, has agreed to extend the ceasefire. If hamas does not come forth and agree to extend the ceasefire, what happens tomorrow morning . Well, it depends on what hamas does. If hamas starts firing rockets back into israel, israel knows how to protect itself, and it will do what is necessary to protect the civilians. The Prime Minister has made that statement time and again, and that is his policy and the policy of his government. Mr. Gold, at this point are you negotiating with hamas in cairo, or are you negotiating with the palestinian delegation . It sounds to me like while you may be diplomatic about it that youre only negotiating with hamas. Israel is negotiating with a palestinian delegation through egypt, and egypt has played a very constructive role in this conflict and egypt is going to be the critical player for ensuring that we have not just stability along our front but regional stability. Thats the only way that were going to be able to ensure some kind of hope for peace in the future. Remember, people say israeli and Palestinian Peace negotiations in cairo. Were not there yes. All were trying to get is a ceasefire and a later stage well figure out how to construct a Peace Process out of this current situation, but people shouldnt put the cart before the horse. Well, your colleague, mark regev, he did say yesterday when it comes to hamas we distrust, verify and verify again. Sounds like you share a very similar position. I want to ask you on the issue of demilitarization, lets be honest of hamas quite simply. If hamas gives no opening to putting down arms, as at this point they have said they are not open to doing this, does that mean that this is a nonstarter for israel . You know, we will work on these details going ahead, but we have a lot of inspiration from the region itself. Can you imagine two years ago if someone came to you on cnn and said bashar assad is going to give up all his chemical weapons in a verifiable way. You know, you would think, what is this person thinking . What is he on . And in fact that is what happened, and thats perhaps a model for how we can proceed with hamas. Hamas has to give up its long range rockets. Its untenable to have a stable peace while hamas possesses this arsenal of long range iranian rockets that can be used any time theres regional instability, any time iran wants to cause trouble. Very finally, would you say you are hopeful or you are pragmatic and realistic about the prospects that this ceasefire will be extended . Well, you know, hope is the National Anthem of israel, but at the same time in the middle east you better be realistic and prague mat if you want to protect your country. At the moment its a wait and see is all i can gather from you at the very moment. Dore gold, thank you very much. Well check back in with you. Thats the perfectist coming from israel. Ahead well hear hamas perspective. Their spokesman will be joining us live. To the ebola crisis now. The cdc has raised its state of alert to the highest possible level in response to the deadly outbreak. Heres the question. Here in america should we be concerned . I want to bring in dr. Anthony fauci, the director of the National Institute of allergy and Infectious Diseases of the National Institute of health. Doctor, really a pleasure to have you here with us. Good morning to you, sir. Good morning. First of all, are you surprised that they raised the level to its highest level . We havent seen that since the h5n1 outbreak . No, im not surprised at all. In fact, thats the very prudent thing to do as we see whats unfolding in the west african countries. Its a very difficult situation with an democratic out of control, and now with the with an epidemic out of control and with the cluster of cases in eastern nigeria that poses a more ominous threat because as you know nigeria is the most populace nation in africa. We have an outofcontrol epidemic in three west africa countries and were looking very, very closely at what nigeria so what the cdc has done is quite prudent and i agree completely. More concerning if more cases with spotted in lagos. 21 million living in that city. Lets talk about the level one response. Is it merely a signature and paperwork . What does it all entail . Does it affect clinics . Does it affect airports . How widespread will the effect be felt . No, what it is is just getting us on a higher level of alert. An alert means were following the situation in west africa and making sure that were alert to people who might be coming from west african countries. We said very often that it is not surprising, and i i wouldnt be surprised if im going to be on this show talking to you about someone who actually gets on a plane in a west african country, comes to the United States, gets infected in west africa but is without symptoms and then when they get here they get sick and people are going to get very concerned about that, but the issue is that were really quite equipped to be able to handle these types of infections as were seeing whats ongoing right now at emory in atlanta, that we have the capabilities of isolation and have the capabilities of diagnostics and we also have the capability of protecting our Health Care Workers. Right. So putting us on a higher level of alert is really just making sure were up to date on what is going on. I think that we can feel confident about the response at our hospitals. We know that there are these special Isolation Units. We know the hospitals around the countries, especially the larger ones in bigger cities have been put on high alert. Im curious, sir, how can we know whats happening in the airport in terms of screening because you mentioned that is a very real concern. We know how Many International airports are servicing countries in that area. How is there any screening going on and how are airports being alerted . Well, there are there are theres screening at both levels and one when you get on a plane actually three levels when youre on a plane and when youre getting off. So if you have a flight thats coming in from a west african country, clearly before they are letting people on the flights now. They want to ask them are they sick, are they having a fever, feeling badly, having diarrhea, and if they are they are not letting people like that on a plane. If a person is on a plane and gets sick its very clear that the flight attendants and the people in being chast flight are need that they need to radio ahead that they have someone who is sick and to be ready to accept them when they come, and when they get off the plane they will ask them the same question so it really is just alertness to the possibility that if youre geographically coming from a place that is a risk area, that youre prudent and stay alert to the possibility that you might have someone on the plane. Quickly, can i ask you. Youve talked about the cdc raising its level, the World Health Organization considering declaring an international Public Health emergency. Do you think thats imminent . Do you think thats prudent . Well, i think we need to take it on a daybybay basis. This is a dynamic situation thats unfolding and what the w. H. O. Does and the cdc in realtime, we follow it every day and make the appropriate adjustments as they see fit. So when you see that unfolding, i dont think people should get overly concerned. I think they should just be feeling confident that our cdc and the w. H. O. Are really all over this and watching it very carefully and making the appropriate choice and decisions. Is it an apparent situation that we need to stay in front of, dr. Anthony fauci from the nih, thanks for your time and expertise this morning. Take a short break on new day. Up ahead, as we mention, well hear from hamas about the ongoing truce talks in cairo. Their spokesman joins us live after a break. When folks think about what they get from alaska, they think salmon and energy. But the energy bp produces up here creates Something Else as well jobs all over america. Engineering and innovation jobs. Advanced Safety Systems technology. Shipping and manufacturing. Across the United States, bp supports more than a quarter million jobs. When we set up operation in one part of the country, people in other parts go to work. 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What comes from the hamas side of that . Very important to hear, and were going to hear that right now. We have osama hamdan in beirut, lebanon, but he speaks for hamas. Mr. Hamdan, thanks for joining us. The simple question to you, sir, tomorrow will you extend the peace, or will you fire rockets . Well, we have to talk about today before talking about tomorrow. We still have a chance, a window for having a ceasefire for a long term, lift the blockade on gaza and solving all the problems that the palestinians are talking about. We have to talk about what we are doing now, and i believe we still have a chance to do something today and talking about extending the ceasefire. It may show that there will be no real agreement and this is bad. If we hear from the other side that they are not willing to have a real agreement with the palestinians, that means they are playing the same old game. They have talked about the Peace Process and it took 22 years without a solution. They have the last round of negotiations by the american observation and mediation story and there was no results so we dont want to go back to the same old game. We want them to be serious. We want them to achieve an agreement which is the real position of the palestinian negotiation. Thats about talking and negotiating and thats very important, but you cannot have that if there are rockets flying through the air. Saeb erekat, you know him very well. He says there are no preconditions to extending the ceasefire from your side, but we have not heard that from hamas specifically. Will you fire rockets tomorrow even if negotiations are stalled today, even if you dont get what you want today, will you hold off firing rockets tomorrow . Well, let me say clearly no one talked about the extend of the ceasefire. The brokers did not talk to us about that. What the israelis are saying is something in the media, and its part of their game. Its clear important to understand that to be understood that the palestinian side is willing to achieve an agreement, and if there was any progress in the negotiations, that will be helpful, not only to talk about tomorrow but also to have the same hope which we have started yesterday. You cant talk about three days without any results and to say its good or normal. If there was some important results today, i think this will help to go forward in positive ways, but if there was no positive action from the israeli side, the palestinian delegation will evaluate the position today and night and they will talk to their leadership and then the decision will be made. There is no decision to undermine the talks. There is no decision to do to go back to fight, but we have to evaluate what the israelis are doing, what the israelis are saying, and we have to evaluate their response, and this is supposed to be done by the palestinian delegation and then they will talk to the leadership and then the decision will be made. But you have to understand that even if you dont get what you want, saeb erekat, first of all, wants to extend the ceasefire, there are no preconditions and youll keep talking and negotiating. If tomorrow you fire rockets. Who is saeb erekat . You used the name twice. Who is he . Saeb erekat. He didnt say that he wants to extend the ceasefire. He said clearly we want results, and if there was positive results, we will extend the ceasefire. No, he said thats his position. He said to me on this show this morning just to be clear that he wants to extend the ceasefire without preconditions but the negotiations are obviously the key to lasting peace, but the first step is tomorrow, mr. Hamdan, because if you fire rockets again, you are basically exposing innocent people to more injuries and more death, and you know that. Well, if the israelis are not willing to achieve an agreement that means they are exposing the lives of the palestinians and the israelis to threat. This is why we are talking about what is happening today. They have to show a real will to achieve an agreement. If there was positive movement from their side for sure the palestinians will have positive action. If there was a negative action from their side, the palestinians will study what is happening and will evaluate the situation and then make an action. We are not willing to have fight. We did not start that fight. The one who started that fight was the israelis. How . The one who attacked the west bank before that was the israelis. Simply, were not talking about preconditions. We are talking about what the israelis are doing. This will be effective in the palestinian decision. If they were acting in a positive way that will give a positive reaction. If they were not, this needs to be studied and evaluated and that is not a condition. Its a real position for the palestinian delegation. Right. The reality is though of what happens when you decide toage. The recent videos that shows hamas fighters or some militant fighters setting up rocket bases in civilian areas and its very dangerous and know it draws fire into those areas creating a humanitarian crisis that the entire world is watching. Now there are two theories on that, mr. Hamdan. One is that it makes well, you know one is that it makes sympathy from hamas and the other is makes sympathy for hamas. We are not looking to have sympathy xwi by letting the israelis kill our own people and were not looking for sympathy by exposing our own people to be dead or killed. Israel is murdering the palestinians on purpose. They murdered children and civilians. We have out of the killed palestinians in the last 30 days 422 children, 268 women. They were not fighting the israelis, in their homes. And all the israelis lies about putting the rockets inside the houses, et cetera. It is lies, and they claimed it is in the schools and the United Nations said they are not saying the truth. What about the video . Mr. Hamdan we are talking theres clearly video showing fighters launching rockets from civilian areas. Forget about the u. N. Forget about what they say and what anybody says. We see it in the video. It is a known tactic. It is a dangerous one, but it may be all you can do, but why deny it at this point . Well, i want i want to tell you clearly we challenge anyone to prove that there was rockets launched from the civilian areas. We challenge that. Then who were the people in the video . We say clearly there was no there was no rockets launched. It was from other areas. Its not its open areas, and this is the problem. Israelis. It was open areas. They bombed open areas. There was no results, so they bombed the civilians in order to punish the palestinians, a collective punishments against the palestinians like what the deputy of knesset speaker said for six days ago. He called he had a plan which he called it the complete destruction of the palestinians in gaza where he suggested to put the palestinians in a concentration camp. Hes talking about concentration camps like the nazis have done in the second world war. Hes talking about humanitarian crime. I want to say that clearly we are not using the civilian operations, and lets concentrate on what the israelis are doing. We had a chance to achieve an agreement. If the israelis show a positive will, there will be a positive reaction from israel is saying this is supposed to be evaluated. Israel is saying it will extend the ceasefire and that is the best way to keep people safe in gaza and continue negotiating. Will you meet that part of the agreement and say, yes, we also i expect will not fire rockets . If they are sorry, if they are willing to have something good, i expect them to say we are going ahead to achieve an agreement. That is what they are saying. Which can fulfill the palestinian essential needs. They have to say that initially. They are saying that. They have to accept that there is they are not saying that yet. They are talking about ceasefire. They are still talking about soos fire. No comments from the israeli side or positive comments from the israeli side about the negotiations. If they are willing to do something good they have to make positive notes and comments on the palestinianisraeli negotiations going on in egypt. If they show that, if there was some clear positive actions on the table like what . There will be a positive reaction from the palestinian side. The ceasefire, the purpose of the ceasefire is to open an window to achieve an agreement. If they decide to use this window in a positive way, this will open a real resolve for both palestinians and israelis. What do you want . In they decide to close the window, they dont have to blame the palestinians for that. What do you want to extend the ceasefire . We want we want we want three guarantees that israel will not attack gaza another time. We wanted a lift of the blockade on gaza. We want to stop all the actions which was taken after what was claimed, disappearance of the three settlers because everyone knows now that those settlers were killed in a criminal attack, not by palestinians, so they have to stop everything they have done according to that and also we want a real open to reconstruct gaza israelis say they arrested a member of hamas who is supposedly responsible for kidnapping. If israel were to say fine, were going to stop the blockade and well let in the humanitarian aid and well keep negotiating for peace, would hamas say that they recognize israels right to exist, and would you become demilitarized when it comes at least to long range rockets . Would you give those two . Well, you have to know, as everyone knows, that there is an Israeli Occupation for the Palestinian Lands. If that ended, this will be a good thing to talk about it. They have to end their occupation to the Palestinian Lands. Right. After the end of the occupation there will be a kind of a Palestinian Army which is supposed to protect the Palestinian Land as each country. But it doesnt need long range rockets. And at this moment and at this moment when we are talking about the Palestinian Army and the palestinian independent sovereign state, that is an army. No one has to have weapons except that army, so lets start from the real problem, idea palestinians are volcano problems and why they are trying to launch rockets, because of the occupation, because they are not safe. Because they are not certain about the future of their children because they cant guarantee that their children can play as any children in the world, because they dont know if they build their houses who can destroy it or who may destroy it from the israeli side the next day so we want to be certain that there is an independent palestinian sovereign state, and at that moment we can talk about the real future. We cant talk about future while the israelis are putting a pistol on our heads or a knife on our mix and they want to slaughter our throats and everyone is asking us what you are supposed to do. Expect that someone attacks your country, and he occupied what will you do . You will accept the occupation or you will defend yourself, and you will fight until the real occupation is removed. This is what happened in europe, when the nazis occupied poland and france and they tried to occupy europe. If there was no resistance against the nazis, europe would talk german until now. This is a clear situation. We want an end for the occupation. Yes. I understand what youre saying, but i have to say the analogy hold on one second, mr. Hamdan. Go ahead, make your point, please. The second point, the israelis are playing a game all the time. They say we want to do this, but they dont do it at the end. They said in 1922 we want peace. There was in 1992 we want peace. There was the oslo agreement and it was expected to have a palestinian state after five years, 1998. We are now in 2014, and until now there is no palestinian state. In fact, we are losing more land in west bank by the settlers. We are losing jerusalem. We are losing the jordan valley, and if abu mazen himself have nothing after the last nine months of negotiations, mr. Kerry himself understands that the israelis are not willing to have peace, so we dont want to play that game. We want real guarantees that there will be that in a definite time and a definite and certain circumstances. This is supposed to happen. Israel cannot be treated as a spoiled child in the International Community if they want to be a state. They have to respect their responsibilities. They have to understand that they are occupying our lands, and they have to leave, and to withdraw from those lands. Unless they did that, there will be a Palestinian Resistance on all the levels, political resistance, popular resistance, militant resistance, so what they have what they want to choose, to stop all that fight by the withdrawal and make an end for the occupation, or do they want to continue the occupation and to continue the fight . Mr. Hamdan what you have right now is the world watching, and that gives you an assurance of what is being promised in terms of immediate peace, and that is about tomorrow. Israel says it will not do anything military tomorrow if its not fired upon. The expectation is that you will promise the same, and Going Forward in these negotiations it will all be about good faith. I want to end this interview and hopefully well have many more as this process continues, but i want to give you a chance to clear something up that goes to good faith. Whether or not it is a game or not, there is a proposition that you have not denied yet, which i want to give you an opportunity to deny. It has become known as whats called the blood libel where theres an ugly mythology going on about what jews wanted to do with the blood of other people. Youve been asked several times to disavow this notion, and you dont do it. Will you just build faith with people about the integrity of this process by saying blood libel is not something that you believe in. Well, i want to say that clearly, and we have said that all the time, this was not said by hamas. It was not said by the palestinians. It was not said by the arabs. It was said by the church. We dont say that and dont have that in our culture. Good. What we are saying clearly, that we dont have a problem with the jews for their religion. In fact, we respect the religion. We respect moses and we believe him like we believe in muhammad. So you deny blood libel. Its not a religious war. Its an occupation for our land. I understand. Whoever will occupy our lands, we will fight him to be independent, to remove the occupation. I understand. If they are using their religion against us, its their problem. I understand. We did not claim what but you have not said that you deny blood libel. Can you say those words . Are you comfortable saying those words . Well, we didnt say that. We didnt say that. Then you deny blood libel. You deny blood libel . Well, i am telling you i did not initiate that initially. I know. You cant ask me about it. It wasnt my words. It wasnt my belief. It wasnt our intention. We dont have part of that. We were not part of that. All of our history. We were not part of that. We didnt say that. We didnt claim that. Okay. Some others said that and some others claimed that so we dont have anything with this. Okay. Is that clear . Its more clear than its been in the past, and its an important point because you need the integrity of what is said about one another to have respect for the process Going Forward. Thats why i asked. What we need now what we need now is a real position from the International Community after the killing of 2,000 civilians in gaza, including at least 20 of them children below 15 years old. We all see the pictures and thats why were all pushing we all see the pictures. We need a real condemnation for that. We need a real position from the International Community to tell the israelis to stop it. Well enough is enough. You cant kill the people like this just the International Community is watching. The Israeli Occupation on the Palestinian Lands. The International Community is watching. I understand the points that youre making but were also watching both sides and that is about testing what happens tomorrow. Whoever fires first tomorrow is acting in bad faith and exposing the palestinians to more needless death and violence. Mr. Hamdan, thank you very much for joining us. What i want to say just one sentence, if you dont mind. Please. I hope that they can say one clear sentence, that they want to achieve an agreement before tomorrow morning. This will be a good sign from the israeli side. Well, that that would be a very ambitious proposal, but i think right now the goal should be for negotiations to continue and the violence to stop. Everybody wants to see peace. The question is what makes it happen. Mr. Hamdan, thank you for joining us. I look forward to having you again. Take a break here on new day. When we come back well cover the humanitarian crises overseas, and theres also a crisis on our border. Dont forget, thousands of minor children have been left in limbo. They are still there. Are they really our kids or just our problem . Vice President Biden has something to say about it. 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Call Liberty Mutual for a free quote today at see Car Insurance in a whole new light. Liberty mutual insurance. And welcome back. Once again lets get you straight to washington to inside politics on new day with john king. Good morning, john. Kate and chris, morning, michaela as well. A busy day. With me to share their reporting and insights this morning, julie pace of the Associated Press and peter hamobai of cnn. The president had a press conference at the end of the african leader summit. Much about foreign policy. You asked about ebola and he talked about gaza and israel and talked about how far is he willing to go if Congress Wont pass immigration reform, if Congress Wont pass any of his other priorities, how far is the president willing to go using executive powers before the election . Listen. I never have a green light. Im bound by the constitution. Im bound by separation of powers. Theres some things we cant do, but i promise you the American People dont want me just standing around and twiddling my thumbs and waiting for congress to get something done. So the question then is what . Were waiting to see how bold hell be on immigration. Will he say give people who are undocumented, will he try to say you have a legal right to say. Some republicans would cross the line and talked about this interesting issue of american corporations who are buying overseas companies so they can say now were from london or here so they dont have to pay taxes. How far is the president going to go . Whats interesting about the inversion issue and something that happened with immigration, the treasury secretary jack lew said this was something the administration didnt have much power to control because its really a tax policy issue and thats something in congress authority and now were seeing the president and jack lew saying maybe there are things we can do. Sounds like what they can do is basically provide incentives that would make it more likely that companies would want to stay in the u. S. And would make it more unlikely that they would want to leave. Youre not going to see them be able to go nearly as far as congress could go but that goes to the president s point. I can only do so much here but im going to do what i can. To that point, peter, whether its immigration issue, republicans have criticized environmental actions, more immigration actions, and as the president talks about this politically, ill do as much as i k. On the one hand it shows hes frustrated and wants to get something done and on the other hand it shows how limited he is in his abilities. Hes said this going back to his, you know, earlier this year he was going to do this and following through and telegraphing pretty clearly what hes going to do. Im interested to see how it plays politically. Kind of a jump ball. Cnn showed half the country thinks hes going too far with his executive actions, but if you break it down, another half of the country thinks hes done about enough or that he hasnt gone far enough. On immigration specifically, i think this is an issue, look, that could motivate both sides, but it really tends to favor republicans. Conservatives seem to be a little more animated about immigration issues, especially in the midterm year. Grants legal status then well see what happens. Thats when the impeachment word could come back up. See on turnout. One of the Marquee Senate races is the Kentucky Senate race. Mitch mcconnell want to be majority leader and has a good challenge from Alison Grimes, listen to bill clinton forgetting perhaps that we have a current democratic president. When people said that no democrat could carry kentucky in a general election, you voted for me twice, i appreciated that. You like you like have proven the experts wrong. When people said hillary was a washed up candidate, you voted for her by 37 points, i appreciated that. Not that i was following the vote too close or anything. Bill clinton there restirring some of the bad blood of the 2008. The Hillary Clinton and barack obama primaries. Thats interesting. Lets put Alison Grimes into context, too. She says she is going to be an independent voice and wont follow the president s lead, the Democratic Party lead, shes an independent voice for kentucky, except this. One label though that i will proudly wear is that of a clinton democrat. I am a clinton democrat so we dont have any bush republicans, and i guess we dont have that many obama democrats, is that what were learning here . This really is her own play here. She is a democrat. Shes running as a democrat so she cant run away from that label completely. To the former president s point. He did win that state and his wife did beat obama in the primary there, so there clearly is an appetite for democrats but just a certain type of democrat in that state. Mitch mcconnells campaign was quick to point out that president clinton after obama launched these epa regulations, which are pretty unpopular in kentucky and have kind of hurt grimes, president clinton applauded those. Did write a lengthy blog post on his websites splitting hairs about it and clinton knows that its unpopular, but this is bill clinton repricing his role in 2010. I remember covering him in the last midterm election. This has been the case with him the whole time. He goes places where obama cant, places like youngstown, ohio, hazard, kentucky. Obama cant go there, clinton will, and you can bet hes talking to local leaders and whoever, saying what are they saying about hillary down here . I understand the loyalty to his wife. Thats to be applauded. On the same point, hes been a secondterm president , knows what its like to go to the sixth term midterm where people start ignoring you and you would think he would have empathy but hes joining the position there. And in nearby tennessee, looks like they are trying to knock off Lamar Alexander but well continue to pay that. The border crisis, dividing the Democratic Party. His priority was to send these kids back as soon as he could. Listen to Vice President joe biden. He says its wrong. They should not be coming to the country and entering illegally and he says put yourself in their shoes and he pays them a high compliment. Imagine the courage it takes. Youre sitting there in a place where youre not in a particularly commode home or apartment or village that you live in and you gather the family and said ive got a good idea. Gather up everything we have, sell it, give it to coyotes, take us to a country that doesnt want us, drop us off in god knows where. Lets go, isnt that going to be a great idea . I think you have to say in large part hes right. Takes a lot of courage to give up your life wherever you live to make that journey but is a politician supposed to praise and hail the courage of people who are doing this in the middle of this debate. I think what you saw joe biden doing is speaking to how complicated this issue is because we are talking about kids here who are leaving countries where there is really horrendous violence, where theres a lot of drug wars going on and they are making incredibly difficult journey to get to the United States. At the same time, the policy of this administration has been to seek legal changes to laws that would make it easier for them to send these kids back to those same countries so you do wonder how the administration kind of rationalizes both those positions. We appreciate your courage and a applaud it and yet at the same time were trying to send you pack. Biden is a great lagging indicator of the zeitgeist in the Democratic Party. Because hes in the administration and cant really say exactly what he thinks, hes looking at Hillary Clinton and Martin Omalley and devalue patrick and other Democratic Leaders and seeing where the energy is. And Hillary Clinton said send them back and Martin Omalley said take them and the Democratic Base was with omalley and tonally you might hear biden talk about that. As we close with this, kate, chris, get ready. Michaela, if youre there, get ready as well. Yesterday here in washington, let me start with this. Michelle obama lays down, listen to the end, the standard. We cant waste this spotlight. It is temporary, and life is short, and change is needed, and women are smarter than men. Is cuomo in the middle there, oneonone or is he doubleteamed here . Doesnt matter because women are smarter so we always women. Yes, mr. Cuomo, women are smarter than men . I think the answer to the question is revealed in my agreement with what the first lady said. What . I think that proof of who is smarter is going to be evidenced by my saying that i agree with the first lady. Double negative. Double negative. I agree, john king. You tried to get a yes or no out of your chance. Let me give you a chance right here, women smarter than women . Yes. I agree. In three hours an answer to one of the questions we asked. Thats a shocker. They talk about unreasonable expectations. Im hoping the reason both sides have been difficult to nail down is because they are negotiating as opposed to being fixed and in positions apart. Thats the best hope at this part. Sure, well see. Not allowing anybody in the room so the only thing we know is the public statements. And lets take a break on new day. Israel says it has proof rockets were launched in its direction from near u. N. Schools. So is there a double standard for israels right to selfdefense . 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Switch to comcast Business Internet and get the fastest wifi included. Comcast business. Built for business. The tragedy of gaza is that it is ruled by hamas, a ti tyrannical and fanatical group that relishes civilian casualti casualties. They use them as pr fodder. That is the israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu calling a press conference entirely to make one point, which is that israels actions in gaza were justified and proportional. He spent a great deal of time trying to prove that hamas uses civilians and civilian sites as a tactic. Did he make the case . Does it matter . Lets discuss at the magic wall with bobby goesh, former International Editor of time. Bobby thank you for being here. Lot to get through. This is the fundamental premise is yes were firing on the areas when we have to because hamas is there. Here is their proof. The first thing, this is a video of what appears to be, you can hear the voice of israeli spokesman mark regev there, that these are hamas fighters and firing from there and it is a civilian area. Then they put out another video which shows what appears to be gunfire coming from a hospital, and the spokesperson says this is gunfire from a hospital coming out at israeli idf defense people. The last one is this, also similar to something on indian tv of a rocket being set up in a civilian area. Listen to this one. Right next to where were standing. That reporter was talking about having a rocket gone off over his head while standing in a civilian area and they go back and show that it was there. Okay, there it is. All right, so hes reporting a rocket gets blasted off. Now either you accept these as authentic, its hard for the media to fake Something Like this, or not. Do you believe we can say yes, hamas uses civilians as shields and fires from Populated Areas . I think the evidence here suggests that. The trouble, of course, is Benjamin Netanyahu is speaking to different audiences, many of whom have already made up their minds. In his domestic audience have no doubt and this will simply reinforce what they already believe. In the United States, weve labeled hamas terrorist organization, all snow that a lot of americans favor the israeli position. This will reinforce that argument, hamas are terrorists, firing at israel from civilian areas and therefore israels response is justified, as netanyahu has been trying to say. In the court of International Opinion, on the other hand, im not sure this is enough. Im not sure this is enough because this has to compete with images of children being killed. This has to compete with images off u. N. Shelters being struck by israeli rockets not once, not twice but several. Does it matter why fire is being drawn to the area . It should matter but images are powerful and the preponderance of images of children dead, dying, bleeding, maimed, those are very hard to get over, and yes, you can argue and you can show as much evidence as you like but at the same time, the same israeli Prime Minister is saying we dont want to go to the International Criminal court. We dont want international investigations. In the court of International Opinion rightly or wrongly, probably wrongly, people will ask well, if youre so confident in your own evidence, why wont you go to the international court. You think its wrong for the u. N. To say israel should investigate its own bombings of sensitive areas . Israel has a history of going deep into sort of analyzing what happened and quite often putting, taking a hard look at itself, but again, this is politics. This is not simply a sort of tradition. Hamas denies it. We just had hamdan. Hamas has been denying it for years. Its known they operate from civilian areas, thats his job to come on International Television and deny things. He denied the blood liable thing, you have him on tape using that language. Do you think thats progress that he backed off that . I think its some progress. Its worrisome hes claiming he didnt say it in the first place when you have tape of it. He says we dont own it as an idea. Christians put it out there, not a muslim or palestinian idea. Maybe hes being techerred over time but that is contradicted by the next thing, equating israel to the nazis. What is that except calculated to be as inflammatory as possible and how is that consistent with wanting to make a peace deal . All it is consistent is what hamas rhetoric. Theyve said this a million times, they say this all the time in oneonone conversations with journalists. Its preposterous to use. Its kind of turning your enemy experience against your enemy is the only way to think about it do you think they fire rockets tomorrow . Im hoping not. I think the fact that they are in egypt, the fact that the Palestinian Authority is now speaking more forcefully and we hope not. This has lasted longer than any of the previous ceasefires. Im keeping my fingers crossed and im sure most palestinians are hoping this doesnt flare up again. Because the political price is meaningless, its whats going to happen to people in ga gaza. Thank you, bobby. Well see what happens tomorrow together. Lets take a break now on new day. Well speak with the u. N. We were talking about them here. Theyve been implicated right or wrong as well. We have a special coordinator for the u. N. Working to help broker a deal between israel and gaza, a bigger challenge than you may think. Well take it down. vo get ready fancy feast broths. Theyre irresistabowl. Completely unbelievabowl. Totally delectabowl. 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I think the parties have now started talking in earnest about the underlying issues, which could produce a more sdurable ceasefire. I think they will need more time, to give the egyptians more time for actually carrying these talks into something substantial, so i expect and i hope that 72hour ceasefire which will be expiring tomorrow morning at 8 00 will be extended. Now, the main spokesperson for the Palestinian Coalition said that everybodys on board. The hamas spokesman did not sound like that to my ears during our interview. Are they in the room . Are they being consulted . Do you believe they are in step with the Palestinian Coalition . Well, there is a unified delegation here in cairo which includes also factions like hamas and islamic jihad, so they will have to take a unified position also to extend the ceasefire. I believe that maybe they are not yet quite there. I think they are still wanting to hear also from the egyptias s where they are and i suspect and hope the talks will be given a bit more time, which they probably will need to actually become substantial and let me be very clear here. Also the secretarygeneral has made it very clear yesterday in his astress to the u. N. And general assembly, we need to address the underlying issues. If i can put it in very simple terms, it is about ending the blockade, open crossings for addressing israels security concerns, legitimate security concerns that for instance means if you open crossings that goods like Construction Materials will be used exclusively for civilian purposes, that means that you have to think how that can be ensured. Let me tell you also, chris, that actually the United Nations has been working for quite some time in gaza with israelis in order to allow u. N. Projects to be implemented. We have been able to do this without major diversion of our materials to for instance the military Tunnel Network which was so clearly established touring this war. These are very difficult issues, they need to be addressed now and we cannot have a return to the previous status quo. As my secretarygeneral said, it cannot be that this is the third war that we rebuilt, we destroy, we rebuild and destroy again. Something needs to change here even though its complex and there are many requests on each side, ultimately negotiations like this at least in the short term come down to one big give on each side. Is it necessary to give on israels side and what is the necessary give on the palestinian side . Well, the necessary give on the israeli side is that they have to ensure that the International Community, under the leadership by the way of the Palestinian Authority, it is also very important that if you address the issues in gaza, it can only work if the legitimate Palestinian Authority is brought back to gaza, that is again not something easy, not happening overnight, but we need to start that process. So israeli side, give that process a chance, open up crossings for the very necessary reconstruction. On the other side, we have to address also at the same time israels legitimate security concerns. Now the u. N. Has gotten wrapped up in this fiasco thats been going on the last few weeks, some allegations against the organization itself that there may be a rogue element in your schools thats teaching palestinian kids that jews are wolves, and you had one of your representatives crying when talking about the palestinian condition. Do you think that there is a partial treatment of palestine by the u. N. In this situation . Well it is never an easy situation for the u. N. When we are, in times of war in gaza. Let me also tell you that the secretarygeneral is enraged about what has happened with repeatedly with u. N. Shelters. It is all communicated to the israeli side many times even, and then to see that these people who actually come for protection to the United Nations are not safe. I am of course also aware we are all aware that the way the other side has been fighting closely in these same areas where these schools are located but israel cannot expunge itself from International Law in these situations. This is not an easy situation. Do you think israel has violated International Law with its bombing, with its military actions. Do you think that . Well, the secretarygeneral has asked for at kbccountabilit. There will be inquiries made. I dont want to go into that question right now how about the question of whats being taught in your schools. Is that a rogue element . Obviously thats not legitimate doctrine teaching that the jews are wolves and some metaphor of explaining the palestinianisraeli condition. Larry again you should understand the situation inra finds itself in. There are hundreds of schools and in times of war its difficult for inra to control all these schools. Sometimes we have no access to schools in a war situation. So as we have said every time we found, for instance, weapons which were in these schools thats a violation of International Law from the other side. Weve been very clear about it and we have not been shy also to report this immediately to you, to the public opinion. So the big question is what happens tomorrow. I know its shortsighted and something that has more media focus than Practical Impact in the overall situation but it does matter, and what would you put as a percentage of confidence that tomorrow there will be sustained peace and continued negotiating . Well, i said it before. I hope and i expect that the parties will continue to use this very important opportunity now under the egyptian leadership, with the egyptian good officers to continue talks. Going back to war is no option for either of them. The and we do hear reports that the negotiations have much more civil dialogue, maybe because its through a mediator of egypt than were seeing on television. Thats promising also. The rhetoric is pretty hot certainly from what were hearing from hamas side this morning. Thank you very much, mr. Sery. Good luck with your work Going Forward and thank you for joining us. Thank you. All right, so you heard it, hes hopeful, he believes the negotiations are ongoing, and he expects the peace to continue tomorrow. Lets see what the reality is. Other headlines as well, right to mick. Good morning, everyone. Ten minutes past the hour. Edward snowden will get to remain in russia for three more lawyers. His request to extend his residency has been granted. Snowden fled the u. S. To hong kong, then russia, after leaking classified documents about nsa spying. In iraq, tens of thousands of christians terrorized and fleeing now for their lives as isis militants seize the largest christian city. The local archbishop calling the situation a catastrophe and pleading for the u. N. To intervene. Pope francis adding his voice now urging the International Community to intervene to end the violence there. Its not a done deal yet but bank of america has agreed to pay 16. 5 billion in what would be the largest Mortgage Securities fraud settlement to date. 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This is one that can be controlled and contained very effectively, if we use the right protocols. President obama reacting to the deadly Ebola Outbreak that has already claimed the lives of more than 900 people. The country of liberia declared a state of emergency. Here at home the cdc issued its highest alert for this crisis, a level one. Chief medical correspondette dr. Sanjay gupta was at the cdcs Emergency Operations center when that was announced. He joins us this morning. It will be interesting to be in the room as that decision was being made. Talk to us about the logistics of that. What does this highest level alert mean . Its really a call i think to Public Health department, certainly in the United States and around the world of just how committed the cdc is to this. Theyre monitoring several Different Things all the time around the world with regard to Infectious Diseases. This says were going to put much more of our focus on ebola solely, going to bolster up some of the troops in the United States and west africa and theyre going to pull in higher level people as well from other agencies so its a real focus. This hasnt happened since h1n1 back in 2009 and before that, it was Hurricane Katrina so this doesnt happen very often. Certainly doesnt. What does that mean for us, if were at home across the country, we find ourselves at a health care clinic, maybe at an airport. Will we see the effects of this cdc alert . I dont think youre going to see it directly, no. Some of this is sort of behind the scenes. Quick example, cdc had a call with about 10,000 primary care doctors around the country yesterday, and basically they wanted to establish some sort of consistent guideline on how to take care of people who might be coming back where theres a suspicion of an ebola infection. Right now its been fragmented and understandably so, because theyve never seen Something Like this before in this country. Really this part of the world. I will say that on friday, tomorrow, the World Health Organization is going to make a determination of whether they declare this a Public Health emergency of International Concern. If they do, that could affect airports and borders and things like that. The cdc has a big task in front of them right now. I want to take you inside and show you a little bit of what theyre dealing with. This is the cdcs Emergency Operations center. Think of it as the nerve center of its response to the Ebola Outbreak. Just a few minutes after i walked in, phones and blackberries started buzzing everywhere. While we were here, the activation level just went up to level one, just in the last couple minutes. What does that mean . What that means is just more people and more resources dedicated to the response. Reporter in that room, you could feel a quiet determination and a sense of urgency. What youre looking at is what the cdc looks at, a map of the world, trying to figure out what Infectious Diseases are happening and where theyre happening. As you might imagine, a lot of focus on ebola right now. Theyre tracking that as well real time. Theyve been doing it since march. Take a look in here. This really jumped out at me. Midmay they thought things were basically under control but look what happens at the beginning of june. Everything takes off. This is on its way to becoming the worst Ebola Outbreak in history. Dr. Stephan munroe is leading the response. Is there a reason why this outbreak is worse than any other outbreak in history . The Lightning Strike if you will was in the corner between three countries in a remote part so it quickly spread across the borders. Reporter here in the United States, different questions. For example, if ebola is not airborne, then why were there such extraordinary precautions taken for dr. Kent brantley and white writebol. Turns out it was more of an abundance of caution rather than a necessity. Were confident any large hospital could handle an ebola case if one were to show up at their doorstep using traditional isolation rooms with negative pressure room and with traditional droplet and respiratory precautions. Reporter and while i suited up in multiple layers when i was in guinea just earlier this year it can be worn by Health Care Workers when they come into contact with patients reporter the cdc says a mass, going toles, face shield, a protective gown and gloves can provide all the protection you need from most situations. Michaela, that abundance of caution is something we are seeing play out over here, may lead to testing sometimes thats not always necessary, lead to the Isolation Units, things like that. Keep in mind, though, the message we keep hearing over and over again is that science should drive this. This is not an airborne disease and if you think of it that way, it sort of determines how people can protect themselves. Sure but again i dont think anybody will argue with abundance of precaution in terms of the medical professionals taking care of themselves to ensure theyre not getting sick or passing it on to anybody else. Any update on the two patients . You have a direct line to emory. Yes, you know, we havent heard much more, and were respecting the families wishes to spend time with their family collectively. The doctors say they may have some updates before the week is out. We do know that the son of miss writebol was able to talk to her for a while. Challenging task, given theyre in Isolation Unit surrounded by glass walls. He said she was tired but doing well. Shes medically stable enough to make the flight. 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Bank of america agreeing in principle to pay nearly 17 billion to settle government charges related to the fraudulent marketing of mortgagebacked securities during the financial crisis. Jury deliberations started in the trial of theodore wafer, accused of fatally shooting renisa mcbride when she banged on his door early in the morning last november. He could face life in prison if convicted. Folks in hawaii bracing for a pair of hurks. Eselle could hit the big island tonight and hurricane julio could brush the islands this weekend. Visit newdaycnn. Com for the latest. To breaking news coming to us out of iraq. Overnight isis militants seized the countrys largest christian city, tens of thousands of christian are running for their lives. Nic robertson is live out of london. What are you learning and what is happening now . One of the reactions were getting to this, kate, the pope issued a statement appealing to the International Community to do what they can to affect those people affected by the violence in iraq. This comes after people evacuated the christian town, about 100,000 flowing down the main highway, west of that or rather east of that town towards the kudish area and the city of abil. What weve seen the forces of the islamist state formerly known as isis advancing from west to east across the country. Theyve taken control of a town, forced 200,000 people from that Minority Community into the mountains. Theyve been short of food, short of water. The u. N. Appealed for help for them, it appears overnight timely those people in the mountains, some of whom were beginning to die, got help. Now the Islamic State advance has reached this christian town, forcing everyone out but whats really concerning now is that the Kurdish Peshmerga forces there in the north of iraq, believed to be strong and capable of defending against the Islamic State army have withdrawn back beyond where this christian town is, back closer to the city of irbil, and this is raising concern. Even kurdish leaders are saying the Islamic State is attacking them now in a very sort of militarily organized way, a large advance of sort of field forces, fighters, being backed up by artillery and mortars and this is raising significant concern, if the peshmerga cant hold them, theres concern about who will. Kate . Thats exactly right and exactly what i wanted to ask you. Wellregarded archbishop is calling for help from the International Community now. It seems that no ones there to help them. What can you tell us about that . Yes, the Christian Church of iraq, if you will, has hundreds of thousands of christians in the north of iraq who have been suffering over the past decade and now appear to be reaching an absolute crisis point with the overthrow of this town. Joseph thomas, the archbishop of kirkuk, part of the kurdish region, he is appealing to the International Community. He says this is a catastrophe and lets face it, the Christian Church has faced a lot of hardship in the past decade in iraq, but now hes describing it as a catastrophe, where they have to have support from the International Community, and this really is a voice, a significant respected voice from the ground, really raising the flag and saying, look, we need help. With he need it now. Kate . Especially when you. You the it in the perspective, nic, of what theyve been up against over the past decade, now calling this a catastrophe, it says how horrible the situation is on the ground there. Nic robertson thanks so much. Coming up next on new day, egyptian mediators are trying to broker a peace deal between israel and the palestinian delegation. Will the ceasefire be extended . Well speak with a former National Security adviser about turning the truce into a lasting peace. And tonight at 9 00 p. M. , cnns emmy nominated series the sixties looks at how the decade became a turning point in human and civil rights. Here is your sixties minute. Jack, what is your definition of a husband . A husband is a guy who is in charge and shouldnt be all of the time. Theres something happening here what it is aint exactly clear women couldnt open a bank account in their own name. They couldnt get credit. The jobs we have are jobs that only men are able to do. American Psychiatric Association deems homosexuality to be a mental disorder. We do not employ homosexuals knowingly. You had that bubbling up of a desire for real equality. What we are talking about is a revolution, and not reform. 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The 72hour fragile ceasefire between israel and hamas is holding, but set to expire tomorrow if an extension cant be reached. Israel says it will agree to an extension and the palestinian chief negotiator even told us hed like an extension as well but a hamas spokesman on the show earlier refused to make that very same commitment. Egypt is serving as the mediator for the peace talks in cairo, so what then, what role does and should the United States have in these talks . Lets bring in stephen hadleigh, he was National Security adviser to president george w. Bush and now principal at an International Consulting firm. Great to have you here nice to be here. The talks continue again today in cairo. President obama was asked about the situation on the ground during a press conference yesterday. I want you to listen to one line thats getting quite a bit of attention. Listen to this. I have no sympathy for hamas. I have great sympathy for ordinary people who are struggling within gaza. So the president laid it out there very clearly. He has no sympathy for hamas but he does seem, he suggests though he wants to see some kind of an opening for the potential for prosperity for the Palestinian People in gaza. What then, when youre looking at the situation in cairo, what is the role for the United States here . Well, we need to be supporting the egyptians and supporting this process, and i think the other thing we need to be doing is putting and urging the parties to make as a priority, getting the Palestinian Authority, political authorities and security authorities back into gaza. The Palestinian Authority is the authority on the west bank. It was thrown out of gaza by hamas, and if given what the people of gaza want, and given what the israelis want, the only way to achieve it is going to be if the Palestinian Authority is allowed back into gaza. How do you think that, i dont know if you call it a power struggle it is within kind of the Palestinian Authority and the National Coalition government that has been formed, who is the chief negotiator . Who is israel negotiating with here . Is it the pal spinauthority . Is it Mahmoud Abbas or is it the leaders of hamas . It is a delegation that has been put together under the authority of president abbas, under the authority of the unity government, which is going to be a technocratic government. So it is really a delegation that is headed by president abbas, as head of the plo, and as head of the Palestinian Authority, and thats how it should be. It is a little striking, though, some are suggesting that secretary kerry and the Obama Administration have been sidelined when it comes to these talks in cairo. The president said john kerry has been in communication constantly, but youve seen his efforts tried and failed absolutely over the past few weeks. Do you think the u. S. Has been sidelined here . No, not at all. Precisely because of all the time secretary kerry has spent with the two sides, the iz resrs and palestinians in an effort to negotiate the peace, he is a known and trusted confidant of both sides, and i think he and the state department is playing an active role behind the scenes. And thats the appropriate role for america to be playing at this point. It is a bit of a difference whats going on behind the scenes and what they are saying publicly, thats ear for sure. It sure sounds like theyre not far from the starting block, the demand for lifting the blockade on the part of israel and the part of gaza, most specifically hamas demilitarizing gaza. Your experience with those being starting demands which are very difficult to accomplish, what do you think is the realistic outcome here . I think the key to meeting the requirements of both sides is getting the Palestinian Authority back in to gaza. Look, hamas wants the thats not a sure thing, right . Not a sure thing but the only way the parties are going to get what they want. Hamas wants to have the crossing points open to the flow of goods. Israel is not going to let that happen unless the pal spinauthorispipalestinaina authority has some guidance over that. There is not reconstruction in gaza which hamas and the people of gaza want until the Palestinian Authority is in place to make sure that that assistance is not used for military purposes directed against israel. And finally, israel wont get the peace it wants unless p Palestinian Authority Security Forces are in place to make sure rocket attacks dont resume. When you offer perspective it makes me wonder, another thing the president said yesterday is that he thought that Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian Authority, has been weakened during this process, is how he put it. Do you agree . I think it has been weakened in this process and thats why it is very important that abbas is head and the one who put together this delegation and that is why it is so important that the outcome of these negotiations and a more permanent ceasefire have, as its core, the return of the Palestinian Authority to gaza. Keep an eye on that. I want to turn our attention briefly if i could your expertise in another area. You were National Security adviser for president bush when russia invieded georgia in 2008. We look at the situation on the ground in ukraine, many reports russia is amassing troops on the border. What do you think the likelihood at this point is that russia would invade ukraine . I this i there is a significant risk that it will do so. I think putin cannot afford to have the cessesionists in ukraine hes blacked with materiel and Political Support and all the rest. I think hes in a difficult box and i think he cannot see them defeated. Oddly enough, the more progress the ukrainian authorities make against the separatists militarily, the greater the risk that putin will be tempted to actually cross the border and give them support, and thats why there are a range of measures that we need to be taking now to try to deter putin from making that decision. What do you think that big measure is . Its pretty striking for to you say someone who knows this very well, the more progress ukraine makes, the more likely it is that russia will invade. What is the one thing that you think the United States needs to be doing, because some are suggesting that the economic sanctions arent having the bite that they have intended. I think they will not in themselves deter putin. I think the kinds of things we have to do is to recommit to the security of europe, to increase our presence there, increase exercises there and deployments there. I think nato needs to be doing more things to in its planning and exercises to reassure our nato allies that nato stands behind them and finally i think we need to give more support to the ukrainian government, not just economic and diplomatic support. You think weapons . Also nonlethal assistance, intelligence and i would also include weapons. You know, look, president putin is resupplying the separatists, providing large numbers of weapons over the border, and it seems to me intolerable that we are not helping ukrainian people defend themselves against this threat. And unfortunately so many crises to be focus on and not enough time to talk go them. Stephen hadleigh, great to get your perspective, thanks so much nice to be here. Of course. Lets talk a break. Coming up next on new day, it was the decade that inspired change. Well talk with an author and political activist who witnessed the moments that helped shape america during the 60s. Thats next. Im mary and i have copd. 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People thought pesticides were actually a good thing. Earlier, i spoke with political journalist and activist and politician and author of the book inspiring participatory democracy tom hayden. Heres what he had to say about the date. True pleasure to have you here. Its an honor to be here, nice to see you. Such an interesting description for you, to be journalist and activist. At times, as you know, thats been seen as an oxymoronic relationship, theyre not supposed to go together but in the 60s they very much did. I dont know which one is the moron part of that, but i started as a journalist in high school at the university of michigan, and i was really, i was drawn into the civil rights movement. I went south. I was a freedom rider, but i was a gradual convert to activism, and then even later i was drawn in to politics, and i never would have imagined that i was going to spend 20 years in the California Legislature or be jerri browns First Solar Energy commissioner. Life is funny when you get to look back at all that i have. When you look back, what are you most proud of . I feel that ive tried to live a life of consistency, and ive always believed that a more decentralize decentralized system with more participation if decisions that affect your life is the way to go, and that our foreign policies but you have to care, on the domestic side, decentralizing, moving away from the bureaucracy of federalism in to having it be more participatory on the grassroots, do people have to care, and they have to energetically engage, dont they . And to have an educational system and a media system that continually provides them with information and choices. Its very hard in foreign policy, theres so much secrecy. Its hard to generate a peace movement. Then it was unheard of that students would say this war in vietnam is wrong, and yet im proud that we were right, but the question is, why did 20yearolds know there was something foul about vietnam, and the government didnt know it, and misled us, if they did know it. Its very strange. But we had an intuition that vietnam was not the battleground for the future. It was selma. It was the campuses. It was about bringing an end to poverty. It seems like theres more noise than action now. Social media makes it easier to have a voice but voices in quotes because theyre usually just bluster. If you look at what were dealing with, with our democracy right now, were in much deeper water in terms of the system being removed from people than you were even in the 60s, even taking into consideration civil rights. You have almost no connection to what is making the decisions happen in washington now, as a regular voter. Why . Why didnt the 60s wind up giving birth to a better populous situation rather than a worse one . I think it would have if Robert Kennedy had lived, if dr. King had lived. I never thought the assassinations could do such damage. We were on our way to a progressive majority, progressive president , and it was all wiped out. So a lot has been lost. You never know when the next catastrophe is going to drive you off course. On the other hand, the social movements and idealism, theyre gifts that keep giving. Last thing i have to ask you about, the Chicago Seven trial was such a big point in time there in terms of what would be allowed in society. It was obviously born of, if you want to call them riots or demonstrations that took place during the 1968 convention. You went on trial for that, and that had to be scary, but what do you think it taught you in terms of what to tell people to keep in mind about whats too far . How far without going too far . Thats a tough question. You know, there was the socalled outrageous behavior of the hippies. One day they came to court dressed in black judicial robes. Right. They took them off and showed that they had Chicago Police Department Uniforms under them. Everybody was shocked, outraged. The violation of decorum and all that, yet they had a way of sending a message that the judiciary was protecting the police. That was their message. So id be hesitant about discounting that. On the other hand, i was always the other way. I was the logical person who was taking notes, kept saying, guys, we want to beat the charge. We need to know what were accused of and what our defense is, and then how were going to appeal this, if we lose. So both were necessary. Mr. Hayden, thank you so much. Its been a pleasure. The pleasure is mine. Absolutely. Piece of living history right there, mr. Hayden. Still doing great things. Watch the sixties the times, they are achangin, tonight at 9 00 p. M. Eastern on cnn. 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She has a go fund me page working to make a prototype, theyve earned 21 grand so far. If you want to give, gofundme. Com. Thats the site. Right to the newsroom with ms. Carol costello. Thanks so much. Have a great day. Newsroom starts now. Captions by vitac www. Vitac. Com happening now in the newsroom i have no sympathy from hamas. Reporter bold words from president obama. Hamas acts extraordinarily irresponsibly. Reporter as the push for peace gets more intense. Critical hours ahead here in cairo as these two sides set to resume talks. And banned in ia